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You may copy it, give it away or +re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included +with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.org + + +Title: The Diplomatic Correspondence of the American Revolution + Volume 7. + +Author: Various + +Editor: Jared Sparks + +Release Date: November 1, 2011 [EBook #37898] + +Language: English + +Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 + +*** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE DIPLOMATIC *** + + + + +Produced by Frank van Drogen, Melissa McDaniel and the +Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net +(This file was produced from images generously made +available by the Bibliothèque nationale de France +(BnF/Gallica) at http://gallica.bnf.fr) + + + + + + + +THE + +DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENCE + +OF THE + +AMERICAN REVOLUTION. + +VOL. VII. + + + + +THE + +DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENCE + +OF THE + +AMERICAN REVOLUTION; + +BEING + +THE LETTERS OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, SILAS DEANE, JOHN ADAMS, JOHN JAY, +ARTHUR LEE, WILLIAM LEE, RALPH IZARD, FRANCIS DANA, WILLIAM +CARMICHAEL, HENRY LAURENS, JOHN LAURENS, M. DE LAFAYETTE, M. DUMAS, +AND OTHERS, CONCERNING THE FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES +DURING THE WHOLE REVOLUTION; + +TOGETHER WITH + +THE LETTERS IN REPLY FROM THE SECRET COMMITTEE OF CONGRESS, AND THE +SECRETARY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. + +ALSO, + +THE ENTIRE CORRESPONDENCE OF THE FRENCH MINISTERS, GERARD AND LUZERNE, +WITH CONGRESS. + +Published under the Direction of the President of the United States, +from the original Manuscripts in the Department of State, conformably +to a Resolution of Congress, of March 27th, 1818. + +EDITED + +BY JARED SPARKS. + + +VOL. VII. + + +BOSTON: + +NATHAN HALE AND GRAY & BOWEN; + +G. & C. & H. CARVILL, NEW YORK; P. THOMPSON, WASHINGTON. + + +1830. + + + + +Steam Power Press--W. L. Lewis' Print., + +No. 6, Congress Street, Boston. + + + + +CONTENTS + +OF THE + +SEVENTH VOLUME. + + +JOHN ADAMS'S CORRESPONDENCE, + +CONTINUED. + + Page. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, December 14th, 1782, 3 + + The King of Sweden's compliment to the United + States.--The signing of the preliminaries announced to + Parliament.--Quotes a note from the Courier de + l'Europe.--Requests leave to return. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, December + 19th, 1782, 4 + + Mr Jefferson accepts his appointment.--Financial + arrangements for raising a revenue. + + To Charles W. F. Dumas. Paris, January 1st, 1783, 6 + + M. Brantzen.--Conversation with Mr Oswald on freedom of + navigation. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, January 22d, 1783, 8 + + Preliminaries and armistice between England, and Spain, + and France, signed and sealed.--Terms England offers to + the Dutch. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, January 23d, 1783, 10 + + Grounds of Mr Adams's opinions of European politics.--Mr + Laurens's services.--The northern powers friendly to + America.--America has suffered by reposing confidence in + a certain minister. + + To C. W. F. Dumas. Paris, January 29th, 1783, 13 + + Proceedings of Congress in reference to the armed + neutrality.--America is ready to accede to its + principles. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, February 5th, 1783, 14 + + Causes of the revocation of his commission for + negotiating a treaty of commerce with Great + Britain.--Recommends the appointment of a Minister to + England for negotiating a treaty of commerce.--Mr + Adams's idea of the qualifications necessary for an + American Minister, particularly at the English + Court.--Address and fluency in speaking French of little + importance.--Mr Jay's services and qualifications. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, February + 13th, 1783, 23 + + Financial embarrassments of the country. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, March 2d, 1783, 25 + + Transmitting an application from a French house at + Leghorn to be appointed consul or commercial agent of + the United States. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, April 14th, + 1783, 26 + + Ambiguous expressions in the declaration of the + cessation of hostilities.--Affairs of the Dutch.--Mr + Adams's accounts. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, April 14th, 1783, 28 + + Mr Hartley succeeds Mr Oswald.--Prospect of a general + congress at Paris. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, May 21st, 1783, 30 + + The Dutch loan; perplexities and embarrassments.--Wishes + to be at home to persuade the Americans to pay taxes and + build ships. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, May 24th, 1783, 31 + + A temporary regulation of commerce with England will be + necessary.--The American ministers invited to London + with a promise that they should be treated as the + ministers of other sovereign states.--The English court + wishes to interchange ministers with America. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, May 30th, 1783, 34 + + Receives the ratification by Congress of the treaty with + Holland.--Delay in the negotiations of the definitive + treaty. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 9th, 1783, 35 + + "Letters from a Distinguished American," written by Mr + Adams. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 16th, 1783, 36 + + Ambiguities in the articles of the provisional treaty + occasioned by the critical state of affairs.--The Dutch + have been of important service in bringing about the + termination of the war.--Expresses a wish to return; is + unwilling to remain in Europe if the embassy to England + is given to any other person.--Policy to be pursued in + raising a loan in Holland.--Conduct of General + Washington during the discontent in the army. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 23d, 1783, 41 + + Obstacles in the way of agreeing upon a regulation of + commerce. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 23d, 1783, 42 + + Embarrassments of the English Ministry.--A party in + England in favor of restricting the commerce of the + Americans.--America and the West Indies are mutually + necessary to each other.--Thinks it politic to revive + the trade on the former footing, if necessary. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 24th, 1783, 45 + + Fictions of the European Gazetteers. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 27th, 1783, 46 + + Progress of the negotiations of the other + powers.--Expects to obtain nothing more favorable than + the terms of the provisional treaty.--Conduct, + character, and materials of the British Ministry. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 27th, 1783, 48 + + American ships arrive in England.--Dubious policy of + the Ministry.--The American Ministers would effect more + in England.--France does not desire a reconciliation + between England and the United States. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 3d, 1783, 51 + + The American Ministers make visits to the Ministers of + all the powers.--The coalition.--The commerce with the + West Indies.--Receives a visit from the Ambassador of + the Emperor of Germany.--The other Ministers return his + visit. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, July 5th, 1783, 56 + + State of affairs in Europe at the moment of signing the + peace.--Expediency of signing it without consulting the + French Minister. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 7th, 1783, 59 + + The British Ministry avoid any definitive + propositions.--The West India commerce in regard to the + different powers. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 9th, 1783, 63 + + Mediation of the Imperial Courts.--Explains the + necessity for concealing the separate article from + France; and for signing the treaty without a previous + communication of it to the French Court.--The foreign + Ministers cease to treat the American Ministers with + reserve. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 10th, 1783, 67 + + French policy in regard to the fisheries.--Letter of M. + Marbois.--M. de Rayneval's correspondence with Mr + Jay.--France wishes the exclusion of the Americans from + the West Indies. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, July 10th, 1783, 70 + + Means of raising a loan in Holland. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, July 11th, 1783, 72 + + Necessity of sustaining the credit of the United States + by providing for the prompt settlement of all claims. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 11th, 1783, 74 + + Obligations of America to France.--Reasons for + maintaining a close connexion with France. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 12th, 1783, 75 + + Algiers.--Negotiations with Portugal. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 13th, 1783, 77 + + Reasons for forming a treaty of commerce with the + Emperor of Germany. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 14th, 1783, 81 + + Jealousy of American ships and trade in France and + England.--Proclamation of the English court permitting + intercourse between America and the West Indies in + British vessels.--Fish, potash and pearlash not + admitted.--This measure is the result of French + policy--Remedies to be applied by America. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 14th, 1783, 85 + + Exclusive policy of the European powers in regard to + commerce.--Views of Austria and Russia towards the Black + Sea, the Danube, the Archipelago and Turkey. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 15th, 1783, 88 + + Mr Hartley offers no definitive + propositions.--"Observations on the American States." + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 16th, 1783, 89 + + Visit to the Count de Vergennes.--Conversation relative + to the West India commerce.--Means of retaliating the + British restrictions on the commerce with their + islands.--The Americans ought to send ships to + China.--Doubtful complexion of British politics. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 17th, 1783, 94 + + Conversation with Mr Hartley on the English trade and + policy in the East.--Importance of forming commercial + connexions with the Dutch.--Conversation with the Duc de + la Vauguyon relative to the French and English policy in + Eastern Europe; on the colonial commerce.--The British + restrictive policy will produce wars. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 18th, 1783, 99 + + The United States must counteract French and British + policy by forming connexions with other + nations.--Necessity of a common authority in America for + managing foreign affairs, regulating commerce, raising a + revenue, &c.--The friendship of the Dutch must be + secured. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 23d, 1783, 103 + + Sugar trade, and sugar refineries may be carried on by + Americans as well as by the Dutch.--Conversation with M. + Visscher and M. Van Berckel on the trade with the Dutch + Colonies.--M. Van Berckel's remarks on a loan in + Holland.--Conversation with the Prince of Orange on the + ranks of foreign Ministers. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 25th, 1783, 109 + + Intrigues of the English to restore their former + connexions with Holland.--The Dutch complain of having + been deceived by the French Ministers.--No progress in + the negotiations between England and Holland. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783, 112 + + Sugar trade.--American loan in Holland.--Loans of the + other powers there. + + To Robert Morris. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783, 115 + + The loan in Holland.--Suggests the expediency of sending + out ships loaded by the States with their respective + staples.--Probability of obtaining a loan in England. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 30th, 1783, 117 + + Trade with the Dutch Colonies.--Account of the limits, + &c. of the Dutch West India Company received from the + secretary.--General commerce with the European West + India Colonies. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 31st, 1783, 122 + + Conversation with the Sardinian Minister, who advises + the sending of a circular by Congress to the European + powers, giving an account of the Declaration of + Independence, of the acknowledgment by other powers, + &c.; recommends commercial connexions with Italy; + remarks on the Austrian policy towards Turkey.--Efforts + to detach Holland from her connexion with France. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 1st, 1783, 127 + + Conversation with the Portuguese Minister on commercial + matters.--Dr Franklin's treaty with Portugal. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 2d, 1783, 131 + + Conversation with M. Berenger on the European politics + of the day. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 3d, 1783, 133 + + Necessity of securing reciprocity in the commercial + treaties.--Dissatisfaction in Holland with France. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 10th, 1783, 136 + + Interview with the Spanish and Portuguese Ministers on + commercial subjects.--Extraordinary increase of the + commerce of the neutrals.--No progress in the + negotiation.--Causes of the delay. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783, 140 + + Exchange ratifications of the provisional treaty with Mr + Hartley.--The project of a definitive treaty produced by + Mr Hartley in the words of the provisional treaty.--Mr + Hartley objects to the mediation of the Imperial Courts. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783, 143 + + Probable policy of France in regard to + Turkey.--Situation of the Count de Vergennes considered + precarious. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783, 145 + + Expresses his discontent with Dr Franklin's negotiating + treaties with several powers without communicating with + other Ministers.--Remarks on the treaty with Denmark. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 15th, 1783, 149 + + The belligerent powers except Holland are + agreed.--Remarks of M. Brantzen on the conduct, policy, + and situation of the Count de Vergennes.--The Queen and + some of the council are opposed to him. + + To the President of Congress. Paris, September 5th, 1783, 152 + + The definitive treaty signed, sealed, and delivered.--A + new commission necessary for negotiating a treaty of + commerce.--The Count de Vergennes was not desirous of + admitting the mediation of the Imperial Courts.--Mr + Adams regrets not having admitted the mediation.--Policy + of forming commercial connexions with the European + powers. + + To Elias Boudinot, President of Congress. Paris, September + 8th, 1783, 156 + + Accepts the joint commission for negotiating a treaty of + commerce with England.--Advises that it be extended to + the other powers. + + To the President of Congress. Paris, September 8th, 1783, 158 + + Management of the European Journals.--Courier de + l'Europe. + + To the President of Congress. Paris, September 10th, 1783, 160 + + Advises the opening of negotiations with all the Courts + of Europe, and with the Barbary powers. + + +JOHN JAY'S CORRESPONDENCE. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 20th, 1779, 171 + + Action at sea between the French and English. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 22d, 1779, 172 + + Repairs of the ship. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 24th, 1779, 174 + + An account of the condition of the ship, and the causes + of his favoring the steering for Martinique. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 25th, 1779, 190 + + Recommends Mrs Smith to the attention of Congress. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 25th, 1779, 191 + + Draws on the fund for the payment of his salary for a + hundred guineas, to be distributed among the officers of + the Confederacy. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 26th, 1779, 192 + + M. Gerard proposes to send home the Confederacy to + refit.--She is permitted to refit in Martinique, and a + French frigate is ordered to carry Mr Jay and M. Gerard + to France.--Mr Bingham's services. + + To Arthur Lee. Cadiz, January 26th, 1780, 194 + + Requests of Mr Lee information. + + To the Count de Vergennes. Cadiz, January 27th, 1780, 195 + + Recapitulation of former proceedings relative to + Spain.--Requests the interposition of the King in favor + of America. + + To Don Joseph Galvez, Minister of the Spanish Court. January + 27th, 1780, 199 + + Stipulation in the treaty between France and the United + States providing for the accession of Spain.--Mr Jay + appointed to carry it into effect. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, January 27th, 1780, 202 + + Reasons for his landing in Cadiz. + + Instructions to William Carmichael. Cadiz, January 27th, + 1780, 203 + + Directions as to his conduct towards M. Galvez, the + Spanish Minister, and the French Ambassador, for + procuring information. + + William Carmichael to John Jay. Madrid, February 15th, 1780, 207 + + Cordial reception by the French Ambassador.--Should have + been addressed to the Count de Florida Blanca.--Prospect + of reception by the Spanish Ministry.--M. Miralles has + been instructed to assist in the conquest of + Florida.--There is no coldness between the French and + Spanish Courts. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, February 20th, 1780, 209 + + Mr Bingham advanced the hundred guineas distributed + among the officers of the Confederacy. + + Count de Florida Blanca to John Jay. Pardo, February 24th, + 1780, 210 + + Expresses his Majesty's satisfaction with Mr Jay's + arrival, and declares there is no obstacle to his coming + to Court in an informal character. + + To William Carmichael. Cadiz, February 25th, 1780, 211 + + Was informed by M. Gerard that M. Galvez was the + Minister with whom all business with the United States + was to be transacted.--Wished to have discovered the + sentiments of Spain towards America, independently of + French influence.--Requests further information as to + the instructions to M. Miralles. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, February 29th, 1780, 215 + + Transmitting papers.--Generally believed that the + American islands will be the theatre of the next + campaign. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, March 3d, 1780, 216 + + M. Guatier of Barcelona desires to be American consul + there.--Necessity for consuls in Spain. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, March 3d, 1780, 217 + + Reason for not making personal application to the + Ministry at first.--Policy of France.--M. Gerard's + opinion.--Spain is already at war with England. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, April 6th, 1780, 219 + + Congratulations on his arrival. + + Answer to De Neufville & Son. Madrid, April 27th, 1780, 219 + + Their letters to Congress were received before his + departure.--The success of America important to Holland. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 26th, 1780, 220 + + Arrival at Cadiz.--Draws on Dr Franklin.--Extract of a + letter from Dr Franklin (April 7th, 1780), contradicting + the report that the Loan Office bills payable in France + were not honored.--Certificate of Mr Grand to the same + effect.--Correspondence with Mr Lee.--Letter of the + Count de Vergennes in reply to that of Mr Jay announcing + his arrival.--Reply of Mr Jay (Aranjues, May 9th, 1780), + to the Count de Vergennes assuring him of his confidence + in M. de Montmorin.--M. Gerard informs him that he + should address himself to M. Galvez.--Writes to that + Minister.--Answered by the Count de Florida + Blanca.--Letter of Mr Jay (Cadiz, March 6th, 1780), to + the Count, expressing the confidence of the United + States in the King's favorable disposition, and + declaring his intention of setting out for + Madrid.--Arrives at Madrid.--Questions from the Count de + Florida Blanca (dated March 9th, 1780), requesting + information on the civil and military state of the + American Provinces.--Reply of Mr Jay (Madrid, April + 25th, 1780), to the preceding questions, comprising his + commission and that of Mr Carmichael, with details in + reply to the questions; the democratic nature of the + American governments renders a knowledge of their + affairs easily attainable. 1. THE CIVIL STATE; + population of each State; government of each State and + the Articles of the Confederation; disposition of the + people, who were at first only desirous of a redress of + grievances; but now determined on independence, with the + grounds of this opinion; there is no British party in + America; revenues; public debts; resources; possibility + of supporting their credit in the operations of + Government, in commerce, in the protection of the + national industry; advantages to result to Spain from + the independence of American States, in the reduction of + the British power, and in the commerce with America; + ability of the United States to furnish naval stores. + 2. THE MILITARY STATE; number of the troops; the + commander in chief; means of recruiting by the militia; + deficiency of arms, of clothing; means of subsistence; + naval forces; the people will not submit; their + disposition towards the Kings of France and of Spain; + financial embarrassments; sending supplies to America + would be the surest means of humiliating Great + Britain.--Receives the resolutions of Congress drawing + on Mr Laurens and himself for £100,000 sterling + each.--Letter of Mr Jay (Aranjues, April 29th, 1780), to + the Count de Florida Blanca in consequence of the + foregoing resolution, giving an account of the financial + operations of Congress, and requesting aid from his + Majesty.--Conference with the Count on the subject of + the preceding letter; the Count states that Spain has + been subject to heavy expenses during the preceding + year, but that his Majesty intends to give America all + assistance in his power, and has directed him to confer + with his colleagues in the Ministry on this point; + wishes Mr Jay to contract to furnish Spain with frigates + and light vessels; promises to engage in the King's name + to pay the bills of exchange if presented; the + pretensions of America to the navigation of the + Mississippi an obstacle to a treaty.--Letter of Mr Jay + (Aranjues, May 12th, 1780), to the Count de Florida + Blanca stating his confidential connexion with the + French Ambassador, and wishing to know if he may + communicate to him the subject of the conference.--Reply + of the Count de Florida Blanca (Aranjues, May 14th, + 1780).--Mr Jay's note to the French Ambassador informing + him of Sir J. Dalrymple's arrival at Madrid.--Note of M. + de Montmorin in reply, declaring his entire confidence + in the Spanish Ministry.--Extract of a letter from Mr + Jay (April 26th 1780), to Mr Adams informing him of Sir + J. Dalrymple's arrival at Aranjues.--Sir J. Dalrymple + requests permission to go through Spain, and a passport + through France.--Sir J. Dalrymple presents to the Count + de Florida Blanca Lord Rochford's project to prevent the + war by a confederation between France, Spain, Portugal + and England; the confederates to guaranty mutually their + Colonial possessions; to participate in the commerce of + the English Colonies under certain limitations, to be + settled by five persons, one from each country; to + settle the contested privileges of the Americans on just + principles; disadvantages resulting to Spain from the + independence of the English American Colonies, first by + promoting a contraband trade between the American States + and the Spanish Colonies, and secondly by exposing the + Spanish Colonies to the attacks of the Americans, who + will soon form establishments in the South Seas; all + Europe is interested in preventing the independence of + America.--The Gardoquis; Mr Jay is destitute of + resources; difficulty of conveying intelligence; + expenses of a Minister at the Spanish Court; coldly + treated by the Ministers of the Northern powers; + ignorance of American affairs in Spain; the secrets of + Congress well known to the Spanish and French Courts. + + To the Committee of Foreign Affairs. Madrid, May 27th, 1780, 282 + + Mr Laurens is not arrived. + + To James Lovell. Madrid, May 27th, 1780, 283 + + Want of intelligence from America. + + William Carmichael to John Jay. Aranjues, May 27th, 1780, 283 + + Destination of the Spanish fleet. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 28th, 1780, 284 + + Enclosing the preceding, the information in which he + considers authentic. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 30th, 1780, 285 + + Receives the resolution of Congress, desiring the + Ex-Presidents of Congress to lodge their public + correspondence in the Secretary's office.--Mr Jay did + this at the time of his retirement from the office. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 30th, 1780, 285 + + Bills drawn upon him are arrived. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Without date, 286 + + Bills drawn on Mr Laurens, who is not arrived.--Have + promised the holders to accept them. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, June 1st, 1780, 287 + + Are willing to accept the bills drawn on Mr Laurens, + provided they are permitted to draw on Dr Franklin at + seven or eight months. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, June 8th, 1780, 288 + + Have accepted the bills on Mr Laurens, and request that + some method of reimbursing them may be adopted. + + Committee of Foreign Affairs to John Jay. Philadelphia, June + 16th, 1780, 288 + + Reasons for drawing on him.--Have drawn for an + additional sum. + + To De Neufville & Son, at Amsterdam. Madrid, June 18th, 1780, 290 + + Thanking them for their offer to accept the bills drawn + on Mr Laurens. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, June 25th, 1780, 291 + + Is uncertain whether he shall be able to reimburse them + for their advances. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, July 10th, 1780, 292 + + Remittances from America are necessary. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, July 13th, 1780, 293 + + Cannot accept any more bills.--Would undertake a loan if + authorised. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1780, 295 + + Dr Franklin has offered to accept further bills drawn on + Mr Laurens; they will therefore continue to accept those + presented. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, July 29th, 1780, 296 + + Has not power to authorise them to raise a loan.--The + capture of Charleston will have no effect on the + determination of the Americans. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, August 16th, 1780, 298 + + Expresses his sense of their friendly conduct towards + America. + + To Silas Deane. St Ildefonso, September 8th, 1780, 299 + + Desires to correspond with him. + + To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, September 16th, + 1780, 299 + + It is necessary to cease drawing bills on him.--The King + of Spain has offered his responsibility to facilitate a + loan. + + Instructions to John Jay. In Congress, October 4th. 1780, 300 + + Directing him to insist on the navigation of the + Mississippi.--The boundary.--Florida. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, October 4th, 1780, 302 + + Connexion between Holland and the United States.--Shall + recommend their house to Congress.--Spanish ordinance + establishing a paper currency.--Effect of this measure + on the bills drawn on him; wishes to know if money could + be raised in Holland for Congress on the joint credit of + Spain and the United States. + + To James Lovell. Madrid, October 27th, 1780, 304 + + Difficulties of finding a safe conveyance for his + letters.--Receives little information from the + committee.--M. Dohrmer. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, November 6th, 1780, 306 + + The Abbé Hussey arrives at Madrid with Mr + Cumberland.--Notes of Mr Jay's conference with the Count + de Florida Blanca.--Conference of Mr Carmichael with the + Minister.--Note from the Count de Florida Blanca + (Aranjues, June 9, 1780); to Mr Jay on the subject of + aids; his Majesty is willing to become responsible at the + expiration of two years to the holders of the bills drawn + on Mr Jay, provided Congress will build four frigates and + some light vessels for the King; the Americans may send + for stores to the Spanish ports for this purpose; the + squadron manned by Americans and under Spanish colors to + intercept the English East India vessels.--Reply of Mr + Jay (Aranjues, June 9th, 1780); expectations of the + Americans from Spain; the holders of the bills will + prefer recovering the amount on protest, to waiting for + the payment two years; the Spanish treasure from America + may arrive before the bills become payable; Mr Jay is + authorised to pledge the faith of the United States for + the repayment of any sums his Majesty may lend; former + aids; Congress has not the resources necessary for + building ships; difficulty of manning them with American + sailors, who prefer sailing in privateers; the country is + not in a condition to undertake foreign enterprises; the + Americans will always be ready to cooperate with Spain + against the Floridas or elsewhere; unfavorable + conclusions will be drawn as to the condition of Spain, + if she cannot supply such aid to men in arms against her + enemy.--Mr Jay's reasons for not touching on other points + of the proposition.--Note from Mr Jay to the Count, + informing him of a new draft.--Reply of the Count, + promising to pay the bill, and declaring that no more can + be paid without consulting the King; the proposition of + the Count having been rejected, it becomes necessary for + Mr Jay to devise other means.--Reply of Mr Jay to the + preceding (Madrid, June 22d, 1780), proposing as a means + of paying the bills the advance of the £25,000 to £40,000 + sterling promised; the sum necessary for building the + ships cannot be raised by Congress; America cannot pay + the debts occasioned by the war till peace; advantages + resulting to Spain by the furnishing of aid to + America.--Reasons for not pushing the treaty at this + time.--Letter from Mr Jay to the Count de Florida Blanca + (Madrid, June 28th, 1780), transmitting the resolutions + of Congress, directing that bills be issued redeemable in + specie in six years; this plan may enable the United + States to supply the vessels, his Majesty becoming + responsible for a certain part of the sum so + issued.--Note from Mr Jay to the Count de Florida Blanca, + stating that he has been called on to accept new + bills.--Reply of the Count de Florida Blanca, declaring + nothing can be done in regard to the new drafts without + consulting the King and the other Ministers; requests + further explanations of Mr Jay's plan for furnishing the + ships and engaging the responsibility of the King.--Note + from the Count de Florida Blanca to Mr Jay, requesting to + know when the bills lately arrived will become due.--News + of the capture of Charleston.--Mr Jay's notes of a + conference with the Count de Florida Blanca, July 5th; + capture of Charleston; death of M. Miralles; the Count + advises Mr Jay to be cautious of Messrs Joyce, who hold + the bills; regrets the precipitancy of Congress in + drawing; specie might have been remitted from the Spanish + Colonies directly to the United States; remarks on the + deranged state of the finances of the United States; the + difficulty of raising money in Europe; wishes to wait the + arrival of a certain person; Mr Jay observes, that + Congress have adopted measures for restoring the + finances; suggests that Spain might furnish aid by bills + on Havana; states in reply to a question of the Count, + that ship timber may be furnished from America; urges the + importance of accepting the bills; reminds the Minister + of the promise of clothing; evasive and uncertain nature + of this conference.--Note from Mr Jay to the Count de + Florida Blanca (Madrid, July 11th, 1780), informing him + that new bills have been presented; the Messrs Joyce + consent to have their bills payable at Bilboa.--Answer of + the Count to the preceding, desiring a delay till the + arrival of a certain person.--Mr Jay requests that Mr + Harrison be allowed to remain at Cadiz.--Note from the + Count de Florida Blanca (July 29th), granting Mr Harrison + permission to remain at Cadiz; still waits the arrival of + the person above mentioned.--Note from Mr Jay to the + Count de Florida Blanca (August 11th), announcing the + presentation of more bills.--Reply of the Count de + Florida Blanca, regretting that he must still wait the + arrival of a certain person.--Letter of Mr Jay (Madrid, + August 16th, 1780), to the Count de Florida Blanca, + stating that the holders of the bills grow + impatient.--Letter of Mr Jay to the Count de Florida + Blanca (Madrid, August 18th, 1780), informing him that + bills have been received by the Gardoquis, which will be + immediately presented.--Letter from Mr Jay to the Count + de Florida Blanca (St Ildefonso, August 25th, 1780), + urging the necessity of providing for the acceptance of + the bills.--Mr Jay's notes of a conference with the + French Ambassador, August 27th; Mr Jay gives an account + of his proceedings since his arrival, and requests the + Ambassador to obtain an answer for him from the Spanish + Minister; Mr Jay was encouraged to expect that he should + be supplied with money to meet the bills; the Ambassador + thinks that the Spanish Minister will pay the bills, and + promises to speak to him on the subject.--Subsequent + coolness of the French Ambassador.--Second visit to him; + he advises Mr Jay to write again to the Count de Florida + Blanca, praying an audience; Mr Jay declines making any + supplications, or purchasing by concessions the + acknowledgment of independence; declares his + determination to write on the subject of the treaty, and + if treated with the same neglect to return; conduct of + France.--Mr Jay consents to send Mr Carmichael to the + Minister.--Note from the Count de Florida Blanca + introducing M. Gardoqui.--Conversation with M. Gardoqui + on the subject of the bills; second conversation with M. + Gardoqui, who proposes the surrender of the navigation of + the Mississippi.--Objections to this + measure.--Conversation with M. Del Campo on the same + subjects.--Conversation with the Secretary of the French + Ambassador.--M. Gardoqui informs him from the Count de + Florida Blanca that no more bills can be paid by + Spain.--Letter of Mr Jay (St Ildefonso, September 14th, + 1780), to the Count de Florida Blanca, requesting to know + if any aid is to be expected from Spain.--Answer to the + preceding, dictated by M. Del Campo, in the name of the + Count de Florida Blanca, to M. Gardoqui, declaring the + readiness of his Majesty to assist the States.--Letter + from Mr Jay to Count de Vergennes (St Ildefonso, + September 22d, 1780), giving an account of his + proceedings in Spain; requesting the aid of France in + meeting the bills.--Letter of Mr Jay to Dr Franklin (same + date), on the same subject.--Notes of a conference + between Mr Jay and the Count de Florida Blanca (September + 23d); satisfaction of the King with the measures of + Congress for supplying the Spanish forces in the West + Indies; plan of the English Court to attempt an + accommodation with America; Mr Jay enters upon the points + mentioned in the paper dictated to M. Gardoqui; on the + manner of making known the King's responsibility; on the + King's being disgusted with the drawing of bills without + his consent, and without terms of recompense; the bills + were drawn on Mr Jay, and the faith of the United States + was pledged for the payment of any sum advanced; Mr Jay + wishes the evidence of an understanding between America + and England; Congress had given proofs of friendship by + sending a Minister to negotiate treaties of amity and + alliance; the delaying of the negotiations owing to the + Minister not sending the promised notes on the subject; + terms of such a treaty; Spain ought not to expect the + expenses of the war will be refunded; America will be + ready to render every assistance possible.--Mr Jay + returns to Madrid and accepts the bills.--Equivocal + nature of the Spanish policy.--Extract of a letter from + the Count de Vergennes to the French Ambassador, stating + that it will be difficult to make advances to Mr + Jay.--Letter from Messrs Couteulx and Co. to Mr Jay + (Cadiz, October 3d, 1780), complaining of the expenses + and difficulty of supplying and sending home American + seamen.--Mr Jay to Messrs Couteulx and Co. (Madrid, + October 15th, 1780), directing them to settle accounts + with Mr Harrison.--Difficulties in the conveyance of + correspondence.--A copy of the correspondence of the + Commissioners in France in the hands of a certain + foreigner. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, November 30th, 1780, 389 + + Enclosing copies of papers from Morocco.--Delays of the + Spanish Court.--Remarks on the enclosed account of the + revenues and expenditures of Spain for 1778. + + From D'Audibert Caille to John Jay. Aranjues, April 21st, + 1780, 392 + + Is authorised to declare the pacific intentions of the + Emperor of Morocco towards the United States. + + To D'Audibert Caille, 393 + + Expresses his satisfaction with the disposition of the + Emperor of Morocco. + + Copy of M. D'Audibert Caille's Appointment, 394 + + Copy of M. D'Audibert Caille's appointment to officiate + as consul of all nations who have no consul in Morocco. + + Copy of the Declaration by the Emperor of Morocco, February + 20th 1778, 396 + + Certificate of Pedro Umbert, that the above is + conformable to the truth. + + Certificate of M. D'Audibert Caille. December 1st, 1779, 397 + + Certificate of M. D'Audibert Caille that Don Pedro + Umbert is employed for foreign affairs at the Court of + Morocco. + + D'Audibert Caille to Congress. Salé, September 6th, 1779, 397 + + The Emperor of Morocco intends to be at peace with the + United States. + + General State of the Revenues of Spain in the Year 1778, 399 + + To the Committee of Foreign Affairs. Madrid, November 30th, + 1780, 401 + + Necessity of providing means for the safe conveyance of + the public correspondence.--His letters are opened and + many kept back both in Spain and the United States. + + Instructions to John Jay. In Congress, February 15th, 1781, 403 + + Instructing him to recede from the demand of a free + navigation of the Mississippi below 31°. + + James Lovell to John Jay. February 20th, 1781, 404 + + Has received no letters from him of late. + + James Lovell to John Jay. March 9th, 1781, 405 + + Ratification of the articles of the Confederacy. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, March 22d, 1781, 405 + + Supplies from Spain.--Russian mediation.--M. Necker's + report. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, April 25th, 1781, 406 + + Spain insists on the exclusive navigation of the + Mississippi.--Letter from Mr Jay to De Neufville and Son + (Madrid, January 8th, 1781), renouncing the idea of a + loan in Holland separate from that negotiated by Mr + Adams.--Mr Jay's proceedings in regard to the payment of + the bills.--Advises that the unfinished ships be sold to + Spain.--Disposition of Portugal.--Dr Franklin.--Mr + Cumberland's mission.--Disposition of Spain. + + The President of Congress to John Jay. In Congress, May 28th, + 1781, 415 + + Expressing the satisfaction of Congress with his + conduct.--Instructs him to disavow any understanding + between the United States and Great Britain; to avoid + referring to the treaty with France in his negotiations + with Spain; to declare that facilities will be granted + for the exportation of naval stores for the Spanish + marine; to continue to provide as far as possible for + American seamen in Spain; to open a correspondence with + M. D'Audibert Caille. + + To the President of Congress. Aranjues, May 29th, 1781, 419 + + Conversation with the Count de Florida Blanca on the + admission of letters. + + James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, June 4th, 1781, 420 + + The affair of the Dover cutter. + + James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, June 15th, 1781, 421 + + Case of Dumain and Lyon. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 4th, 1781, 421 + + Mr Morris is appointed Superintendent of + Finance.--Objects to be accomplished by this + office.--Expectations of aid from Spain.--State of the + finances.--Disposition of the nation.--State of the + army.--Advantages that will result to Spain by aiding + America.--The United States cannot be dangerous to + Spain.--Amount desired. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 7th, 1781, 435 + + Necessity of immediate aids. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Office of Finance, July 9th, 1781, 436 + + Proposes a plan for sending home American seaman. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 13th, 1781, 438 + + Reasons which induced him to adopt the enclosed plan of + a national bank.--Wants aid from Spain.--Suggests that + an attempt should be made to obtain money from Portugal. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Office of Finance, August 15th, + 1781, 449 + + Directing to protest certain bills, assigning as a + reason his instructions. + + James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, August 15th, 1781, 450 + + Surrender of Pensacola. + + To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, September 20th, + 1781, 451 + + Regrets that instructions should have been given the + American Ministers to concur in any terms to which + France should accede. + + To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, October 3d, 1781, 454 + + Conversation with the Count de Florida Blanca, who + complains that Congress has not shown any disposition to + oblige the King; remarks relative to M. Gardoqui.--Mr + Jay regrets that the instructions concerning the + Mississippi had not been kept secret; use that might + have been made of the claim.--Has another interview with + the Minister; stoppage of the letters from America; the + affair of the Dover cutter; cession of the claims of the + United States to the navigation of the Mississippi; the + Count remarks that these affairs can be settled at a + general peace.--Letter from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 2d, + 1781), to the Count de Florida Blanca, declaring that he + has been instructed to cede the exclusive navigation of + the Mississippi.--Letter from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 2d, + 1781), to the Count de Montmorin, communicating the + above.--Receiving no answer from the Minister, Mr Jay + calls upon him, and is informed that he cannot attend to + the matter.--Letters from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 13th, + 1781), to the Count de Florida Blanca communicating his + instructions.--Note from the Count de Florida Blanca (St + Ildefonso, July 1st, 1781), to Mr Jay proposing to + attend to American affairs.--Mr Jay visits the Minister + with Major Franks; general conversation.--Renewed + delays.--Letter from Mr Jay (St. Ildefonso, September + 16th, 1781), to the Count de Montmorin, enclosing the + draft of a letter to the Count de Florida Blanca, and + requesting the advice of the Ambassador.--Note from the + Count de Florida Blanca to Mr Jay requesting him to call + upon him.--Notes of the conference between Mr Jay and + the Count de Florida Blanca (September 19th, 1781); the + Count requests Mr Jay to draw up an outline of the + proposed treaties; aids; commercial connexion; treaty of + alliance; the Count observes that Congress has done + nothing to gratify the King; a person will be appointed + to confer further with Mr Jay.--Letter from Mr Jay (St + Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781), to the Count de Florida + Blanca requesting that some decisive measure be taken in + regard to American affairs.--Propositions toward a plan + of a treaty, with remarks; the subject of aids will + require a separate convention; also the regulation of + the mutual conduct of the parties during the war.--Mr + Jay's reason for limiting the duration of the offer + contained in the sixth proposition, relating to the + navigation of the Mississippi; arts of Spain.--Note from + the Count de Florida Blanca to Mr Jay, expressing a hope + that some progress will soon be made in the + consideration of the propositions.--Embarrassments in + providing for the payment of the bills.--Mr Harrison's + services.--Proposes the sending of an agent to Portugal. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, October 18th, 1781, 506 + + Has protested some of the bills. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Jay. Philadelphia, November 1st, + 1781, 507 + + Organization of the new executive departments.--The debt + of the United States not so large as might have been + expected.--British American recruits.--Proposes that + Spain should furnish a convoy between Havana and the + United States.--Plan for paying the French troops in + specie from Havana. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Jay. Philadelphia, November + 28th, 1781, 511 + + State of military affairs.--The Marquis de la Fayette. + + + + +THE + +CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN ADAMS, + +ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO FRANCE, MINISTER PLENIPOTENTIARY TO +HOLLAND, AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR NEGOTIATING THE TREATY OF +PEACE. + + + + +THE + +CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN ADAMS. + +CORRESPONDENCE CONTINUED. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, December 14th, 1782. + + Sir, + +There is more matter than time to write at present. The King of Sweden +has done the United States great honor in his commission to his +Minister here, to treat with them, by inserting, that he had a great +desire to form a connexion with States, which had so fully established +their independence, and by their wise and gallant conduct so well +deserved it; and his Minister desired it might be remembered, that his +sovereign was the first who had voluntarily proposed a treaty with +us.[1] + +Mr Secretary Townshend announced, on the 3d of December, in a letter +to the Lord Mayor, the signature of our preliminaries. On the 5th, his +Majesty announced it in his speech to both Houses. Addresses of +thanks, in both Houses, passed without a division. + +There is a note in the _Courier de l'Europe_, of the 6th instant, +worth transcribing, viz. "We mark these three lines in italics, to +notice at present the assertion, which we shall consider more fully +hereafter, that we do not owe to any of the causes assigned at +present, even in the two Houses of Parliament, the peace, the +blessings of which we consider as certain, but to the armed +neutrality. This peace will be durable." + +I have transcribed this note, because it falls in with an opinion, +that I have long entertained. The armed neutrality, and even Mr Dana's +mission to it, have had greater effects, than the world is yet +informed of, and would have had much greater, if his hands had not +been tied. + +On the 4th instant, I wrote a resignation of all my employments in +Europe, which I have now the honor to confirm, and to request, that +the acceptance of it may be transmitted to me several ways, by the +first ships. + + I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[1] See Dr Franklin's letter on this subject, dated June the 25th, +1782. _Franklin's Correspondence_, Vol. III. p. 371. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS. + + Philadelphia, December 19th, 1782. + + Sir, + +The enclosed letter for Mr Dana you will open and peruse. It may +possibly contain information, that may be useful to you, which it will +be unnecessary to repeat here. + +I mentioned in my last, Mr Jefferson's appointment; I have the +pleasure of adding now, that I have received an account from him of +his acceptance of the place. He will be here in the course of ten or +twelve days, and sail with Count de Rochambeau, who proposes to return +to France. The French troops have embarked with the Marquis de +Vaudreuil, and are to sail for the West Indies, unless they should +receive counter orders, by a frigate, which is now in the river. Her +letters are not yet come up, as she unfortunately ran ashore at Dover; +it is yet uncertain whether she will be saved. + +The great political question, which at present engages the attention +of Congress, is the means of providing for the payment of the public +debts, or at least establishing such funds for the regular discharge +of the interest, as may set their creditors at ease as to their +capitals. It was imagined, that a duty of five per cent upon all +imposts would afford a fund adequate to this. Congress accordingly +recommended it to the several States to impose the duty. They have all +complied, except Rhode Island. Her refusal renders the other laws +nugatory, as they contain clauses suspending their operation until the +measure is generally adopted. Congress are about to send down a +committee to endeavor to persuade Rhode Island to comply with a +measure, that they deem so essential to public credit. It is extremely +difficult in a country, so little used to taxes as ours is, to lay +them directly, and almost impossible to impose them so equally as not +to render them too oppressive on some members of the community, while +others contribute little or nothing. This difficulty is increased by +the continued change of property in this country, and by the small +proportion the income bears to the value of lands. + +By a short letter just received from Mr Jay, it appears, that England +has at length swallowed the bitter pill, and agreed to treat with the +"Thirteen United States of America." I am still at a loss to account +for this commission's being directed to Mr Oswald, while Mr +Fitzherbert's continues in force; or is that revoked?[2] I will not +trouble myself with guesses, as I must receive despatches today, that +will explain the mystery, if either Dr Franklin or Mr Jay have kept +their words with me. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[2] The two commissions were for distinct purposes; Mr Oswald's to +treat with the American Commissioners alone; and Mr Fitzherbert's to +treat for a general peace with the European powers, then at war with +England. + + * * * * * + + TO CHARLES W.F. DUMAS. + + Paris, January 1st, 1783. + + Dear Sir, + +Returning this evening from Versailles, where I had been to make the +compliments of the season, I found your favors of the 26th and 27th of +December. The letters enclosed shall be forwarded, as you desire. + +The Dutch Ministers here have no occasion for my assistance. _Non tali +auxilio._ I have the honor to be more particularly acquainted with M. +Brantzen, who is certainly a very able man, and universally +acknowledged to be so by all who know him. The arguments, which I know +he has used with the British Minister, are such as can never be +answered, both upon the liberty of navigation, and the compensation +for damages. He is an entire master of his subject, and has urged it +with a degree of perspicuity and eloquence, that I know has much +struck his antagonists. + +Unnecessary, however, as any exertions of mine have been, I have not +omitted any opportunity of throwing in any friendly suggestions in my +power, where there was a possibility of doing any good to our good +friends, the Dutch. I have made such suggestions to Mr Fitzherbert. +But with Mr Oswald, I have had several very serious conversations upon +the subject. So I have also with Mr Vaughan and Mr Whiteford. + +To Mr Oswald I urged the necessity of Great Britain's agreeing with +the Dutch upon the unlimited freedom of navigation, from a variety of +topics, some of which I may explain to you more particularly +hereafter. Thus much I may say at present, that I told him, that it +was impossible for Great Britain to avoid it; it would probably be +insisted upon by all the other powers. France and Spain, as well as +Russia, Sweden, Denmark, Prussia, the Emperor, and Portugal, as well +as Holland, had already signed the armed neutrality. The United States +of America had declared themselves ready to sign, and were ready. The +combination being thus powerful, Great Britain could not resist it. +But if she should refuse to agree to it with Holland, and the other +powers should acquiesce, and Holland should make peace without it +(which would never, however, be the case,) yet all would be +ineffectual, for Holland would forever be able to make use of other +neutral bottoms, and would thus enjoy the benefit of this liberty and +reality, though denied it by treaty, and in appearance. It would, +therefore, be more for the honor and interest of Great Britain to +agree to it with a good grace, in the treaty with Holland. Nay, the +wisest part she could act would be to set on foot a negotiation +immediately for signing herself the Treaty of Armed Neutrality, and +then admitting it into the treaty with Holland would be a thing of +course. At one of these conversations Dr Franklin was present, who +supported me with all his weight; at another, Mr Jay seconded me with +all his abilities and ingenuity. Mr Oswald has several times assured +me, that he had written these arguments and his own opinion, in +conformity with them, to the King's Ministers in London, and I doubt +not they will be adopted. + +With respect to the compensation for damages, it is impossible to add +anything to the arrangements M. Brantzen has urged to show the justice +of it, and if Britain is really wise, she will think it her policy to +do everything in her power to soften the resentment of the Dutch, and +regain their good will and good humor. + +The rage of Great Britain, however, has carried her to such +extravagant lengths, in a cause unjust from beginning to end, that she +is scarcely able to repair the injuries she has done. America has a +just claim to compensation for all her burnt towns and plundered +property, and indeed for all her slaughtered sons, if that were +possible. I shall continue to embrace every opportunity that presents, +of doing all the little service in my power to our good friends the +Dutch, whose friendship for us I shall not soon forget. This must be +communicated with great discretion, if at all. + +My best respects to all. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, January 22d, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon a sudden notification from the Count de Vergennes, Dr Franklin +and myself, in the absence of Mr Jay and Mr Laurens, went to +Versailles, and arrived at the Count's office at ten o'clock on +Monday, the 20th of this month. At eleven, arrived the Count d'Aranda +and Mr Fitzherbert. The Ministers of the three Crowns, signed and +sealed the preliminaries of peace and an armistice, in presence of +Doctor Franklin and myself, who also signed and sealed a declaration +of an armistice between the Crown of Great Britain and the United +States of America, and received a counter declaration from Mr +Fitzherbert. Copies of these declarations are enclosed.[3] + +The King of Great Britain has made a declaration concerning the terms, +that he will allow to the Dutch; but they are not such as will give +satisfaction to that unfortunate nation, for whom, on account of their +friendship for us, and the important benefits we have received from +it, I feel very sensibly and sincerely. Yesterday we went to +Versailles again to make our court to the King and royal family upon +the occasion, and received the compliments of the Foreign Ministers. + +The Count d'Aranda invited me to dine with him on Sunday next, and +said he hoped that the affairs of Spain and the United States would be +soon adjusted _à l'aimable_. I answered, that I wished it with all my +heart. The two Floridas and Minorca are more than a _quantum meruit_ +for what this Power has done, and the Dutch unfortunately are to +suffer for it. It is not in my power to say when the definitive treaty +will be signed. I hope not before the Dutch are ready, in six weeks or +two months at farthest I suppose. + +It is no longer necessary for Congress to appoint another person in my +place in the commission for peace, because it will be executed before +this reaches America. But I beg leave to renew the resignation of the +credence to the States-General, and the commission for borrowing money +in Holland, and to request, that no time may be lost in transmitting +the acceptance of this resignation, and another person to take that +station, that I may be able to go home in the spring ships. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[3] Contained in the Correspondence of the Ministers for negotiating +peace. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, January 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +The letters you did me the honor to write on the 6th, and 18th of +November, came safe to hand. + +You do me honor, Sir, in applauding the judgment I have formed from +time to time of the Court of Britain, and future ages will give me +credit for the judgment I have formed of some other Courts. The true +designs of a Minister of State are not difficult to be penetrated by +an honest man of common sense, who is in a situation to know anything +of the secret of affairs, and to observe constantly the chain of +public events; for whatever ostensible appearances may be put on, +whatever obliquities may be imagined, however the web may be woven, or +the thread doubled and twisted, enough will be seen to unravel the +whole. + +My opinions, as you observe, sometimes run counter to those generally +received; but the reason of this has generally been, that I have had +earlier evidence than the generality, and I have had the satisfaction +to find, that others have formed the same judgment, when they have +had the same intelligence. I do not affect singularity, nor love to be +in a minority, though truth and justice have sometimes obliged me to +be so. You say, that nothing can be more conformable to your wishes +than the instructions I transmitted. I am not surprised at this; it is +very natural. Had I never been on this side of the Atlantic, I believe +I should have been of your mind in this particular. At present I +cannot be, and I believe, by this time, the Dutch regret having given +them. You will hear enough of the reason of it. I have lived long +enough, and had experience enough of the conduct of governments, and +people, nations, and courts, to be convinced, that gratitude, +friendship, unsuspecting confidence, and all the most amiable passions +in human nature, are the most dangerous guides in politics. I assure +you, Sir, if we had not been more cautious than the Dutch, we should +have been worse off than they, and our country would have suffered +much more. + +Mr Laurens has been here, and has behaved with great caution, +firmness, and wisdom. He arrived so late, as only to attend the two +last days of the conferences, the 29th and 30th of November. But the +short time he was with us, he was of great service to the cause. He +has done great service to America in England, where his conversation +has been such as the purest and firmest American could wish it, and +has made many converts. He is gone again to Bath, and his journey will +do as much good to his country as to his health. He will return to the +signature of the definitive treaty. + +The ratifications of my contracts have been received. + +The release of Captain Asgill was so exquisite a relief to my +feelings, that I have not much cared what interposition it was owing +to. It would have been a horrid damp to the joys of peace, if we had +received a disagreeable account of him. + +The difference between Denmark and Holland is of no serious nature. +The clue to the whole is, the Queen Dowager is sister to the Duke of +Brunswick; but there is nothing to fear from Denmark. As to the +northern powers, we have nothing to fear from any of them. All of +them, and all the neutral powers, would have acknowledged our +independence before now, by receiving Mr Dana to sign the principles +of the armed neutrality, if he had not been restrained from acting. +The unlimited confidence of Congress has been grossly abused, and we +should have been irreparably injured, if we had not been upon our +guard. As our liberties and most important interests are now secured, +as far as they can be, against Great Britain, it would be my wish to +say as little as possible of the policy of any Minister of our first +ally, which has not been as we could desire, and to retain forever a +grateful remembrance of the friendly assistance we have received. But +we have evidence enough to warn us against unlimited confidence in any +European Minister of State. + +I have never drawn upon Dr Franklin for any money, since the end of my +two and a half years' salary; and he tells me he has made no use of +the bills. I had received money for my subsistence of Messieurs +Willinks, and as it will be but a few months more, at farthest, that I +shall have to subsist in Europe, I beg leave to proceed to the end in +the same way. I shall receive only the amount of my salary, and settle +the account with Congress on my return. + +I hope to be safely landed on my native shore in the month of June; +and to this end, I beg that an appointment may be made to the Dutch +mission, and the acceptance of my resignation be transmitted to me by +the first ships. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO C. W. F. DUMAS. + + Paris, January 29th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon receiving the letter, which you did me the honor to write me on +the 24th, late last evening, I went immediately to consult with my +colleague, Mr Jay, and we agreed to go this morning to Dr Franklin. +Accordingly today we went together to Passy, and communicated your +letter to him, and after recollecting the powers we have received, we +all agreed that I should make you the following answer. + +You will readily recollect the resolutions of Congress, which I did +myself the honor two years ago to communicate to the President of +their High Mightinesses, and to the Ministers of Russia, Sweden, and +Denmark, at the Hague. The letter to the President was sent "_au +greffe_," and there may, perhaps, be now found. These resolutions +contained the approbation of Congress, of the principles of the +declaration of the Empress of Russia, and authorised any of the +American Ministers in Europe, if invited thereto, to pledge the faith +of the United States to the observance of them. + +Sometime after this, Congress sent Mr Dana a commission with full +power to accede to the principles of the Marine Treaty between the +neutral powers, and he is now at Petersburg, vested with these powers, +and, according to late intelligence received from him, has well +founded expectations of being soon admitted. + +It is the opinion of my colleagues, as well as my own, that no +commission of mine to their High Mightinesses contains authority to +negotiate this business, and we are all of opinion, that it is most +proper that Mr Dana should negotiate it. + +But as there has been no express revocation of the power given to all +or any of us, by the first resolutions, and if the case should happen, +that Mr Dana could not attend in season, on account of the distance, +for the sake of accelerating the signature of the definitive treaty of +peace, we should not hesitate to pledge the faith of the United States +to the observance of the principles of the armed neutrality. I wish it +were in my power to give you a more satisfactory answer, but candor +will warrant no other. + +With great respect to the gentlemen, as well as to you, + +I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, February 5th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The resolution of Congress of the 12th of July, 1781, "That the +commission and instructions, for negotiating a Treaty of Commerce +between these United States and Great Britain, given to the Honorable +John Adams, on the 29th day of September, 1779, be, and they are +hereby revoked," was duly received by me in Holland; but no +explanation of the motives to it, or the reasons on which it was +founded, was ever transmitted to me by Congress, or the Committee of +Foreign Affairs, or any individual member, nor has anybody in Europe, +or America, ever once attempted, that I know of, to guess at the +reason. Whether it was intended as a punishment to me, or with a +charitable design not to lead me into temptation; whether it was +intended as a punishment to the English for their insolence and +barbarity; whether it was intended to prevent or remove suspicions of +allies, or the envy and green eyed jealousy of copatriots, I know not. +Of one thing, however, I am fully satisfied, that Congress had +reasons, and meant well; but whether those reasons were founded on +true or mistaken information, I know not. + +When I recollect the instructions, which were given and revoked with +that commission, I can guess, and only guess, at some considerations, +which might, or might not, operate with Congress. In these +instructions, Congress determined, + +1st. That the common right of fishing should in no case be given up. + +2dly. That it is essential to the welfare of all these United States, +that the inhabitants thereof, at the expiration of the war, should +continue to enjoy the free and undisturbed exercise of their common +right to fish on the Banks of Newfoundland, and the other fishing +banks and seas of North America, preserving inviolate the treaties +between France and the said States, &c. &c. + +3dly. "That our faith be pledged to the several States, that without +their unanimous consent no Treaty of Commerce shall be entered into, +nor any trade or commerce whatever carried on with Great Britain, +without the explicit stipulation hereinafter mentioned. You are, +therefore, not to consent to any Treaty of Commerce with Great +Britain, without an explicit stipulation on her part, not to molest or +disturb the inhabitants of the United States of America, in taking +fish on the Banks of Newfoundland, and other fisheries in the American +seas, anywhere, excepting within the distance of three leagues of the +shores of the territories remaining to Great Britain at the close of +the war, if a nearer distance cannot be obtained by negotiation. And +in the negotiation you are to exert your most strenuous endeavors to +obtain a nearer distance in the Gulf of St Lawrence, and particularly +along the shores of Nova Scotia; as to which latter we are desirous, +that even the shores may be occasionally used for the purpose of +carrying on the fisheries by the inhabitants of these States." + +These instructions are very decisive in favor of our indubitable right +to the fisheries; and it is possible, that Congress might be of +opinion, that commerce would be the strongest inducement to the +English to make peace, and at the same time, that there was something +so naval in the fisheries, that the dread of acknowledging our right +to them would be the strongest obstacle in the way of peace. They +might think, too, that peace was of more importance to the United +States, than a British acknowledgment of our right to the fisheries, +which, to be sure, would have been enjoyed by our people in a good +degree without it. + +Reasonings like these might influence Congress to revoke the +commission and instructions in question. But whatever probability +there might appear in them at that time, experience has since shown, +that they were not well founded. On the contrary, arguments have been +found to convince the British Ministers themselves, that it was the +interest of their King and country, not only to acknowledge the +American right to the fisheries, but to encourage the unrestrained +exercise of it. These considerations, therefore, can be no longer of +any weight against a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, or against +accrediting a Minister to the Court of St James. Nor can I conceive of +any motive now existing against this measure. On the contrary, so many +advantages present themselves to view, that I think it my duty to +recommend them to Congress as proper to be adopted without loss of +time. If there are in Congress any of those gentlemen, with whom I had +the honor to serve in the years 1775 and 1776, they may possibly +remember, that in arguing in favor of sending Ministers to Versailles, +to propose a connexion with that Court, I laid it down as a first +principle, that we should calculate all our measures and foreign +negotiations in such a manner, as to avoid a too great dependence upon +any one power of Europe; to avoid all obligations and temptations to +take any part in future European wars. That the business of America +with Europe was commerce, not politics or war. And above all, that it +never could be our interest to ruin Great Britain, or injure or weaken +her any further than should be necessary to support our independence, +and our alliances; and that as soon as Great Britain should be brought +to a temper to acknowledge our sovereignty and our alliances, and +consent that we should maintain the one, and fulfil the others, it +would be our interest and duty to be her friends, as well as the +friends of all the other powers of Europe, and enemies to none. + +We are now happily arrived, through many tremendous tempests, at that +period. Great Britain respects us as sovereign States, and respects +all our political engagements with foreign nations, and as long as she +continues in this temper of wisdom, it is our duty to respect her. We +have accordingly made a treaty with her and mutually sworn to be +friends. Through the whole period of our warfare and negotiations, I +confess I have never lost sight of the principles and the system, with +which I set out, which appeared to me to be the sentiments of Congress +with great unanimity, and I have no reason to believe that any change +of opinion has taken place; if there has not, every one will agree +with me, that no measure we can pursue will have such a tendency to +preserve the government and people of England in the right system for +their own and our interest, and the interest of our allies too, well +understood, as sending a Minister to reside at the Court of London. + +In the next place, the Court of London is the best station to collect +intelligence from every part, and by means of the freedom of the press +to communicate information for the benefit of our country, to every +part of the world. In time of peace, there is so frequent travelling +between Paris, London, and the Hague, that the correspondence of our +Ministers at those Courts may be carried on by private hands, without +hazarding anything from the infidelity of the posts, and Congress may +reasonably expect advantages from this circumstance. + +In the third place, a treaty of commerce with Great Britain is an +affair of great importance to both countries. Upon this occasion I +hope I shall be excused if I venture to advise, that Congress should +instruct their Minister not to conclude such a treaty, without sending +the project to them for their observations and fresh instructions, and +I think it would not be improper, on this occasion, to imitate the +Dutch method, and take the project, _ad referendum_, and transmit it +to the Legislatures of all the States for their remarks, before +Congress finally resolve. Their Minister may be authorised and +instructed, in the mean time, to enter into a temporary convention for +regulating the present trade, for a limited number of months or years, +or until the treaty of commerce shall be completed. + +In the fourth place, it is our part to be the first to send a Minister +to Great Britain, which is the older, and as yet the superior State. +It becomes us to send a Minister first, and I doubt not the King of +Great Britain will very soon return the compliment. Whereas if we do +not begin, I believe there will be many delicacies at St James', +about being the first to send. I confess I wish a British Minister at +Philadelphia, and think we should derive many benefits from his +residence there. While we have any foreign Ministers among us, I wish +to have them from all the great powers with whom we are much +connected. The _Corps Diplomatique_ at every Court is, or ought to be, +a system representing at least that part of the system of Europe, with +which that Court is most conversant. + +In the same manner, or at least from similar reasons, as long as we +have any one Minister abroad at any European Court, I think we ought +to have one at every one to which we are most essentially related, +whether in commerce or policy, and therefore while we have any +Minister at Versailles, the Hague, or London, I think it clear we +ought to have one at each, though I confess I have sometimes thought, +that after a very few years, it will be the best thing we can do to +recall every Minister from Europe, and send embassies only on special +occasions. + +If, however, any members of Congress should have any delicacies, lest +an American Minister should not be received with a dignity becoming +his rank and character at London, they may send a commission to make +a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, to their Minister at Madrid, +or Versailles, or the Hague, or St Petersburg, and instruct him to +carry on the negotiation from the Court where he may be, until he +shall be invited to London, or a letter of credence may be sent to one +of these, with instructions to go to London, as soon as the King shall +appoint a Minister to go to Philadelphia. + +After all, however, my opinion is, that none of these manoeuvres are +necessary, but that the best way will be to send a Minister directly +to St James', with a letter of credence to the King, as a Minister +Plenipotentiary, and a commission to treat of a treaty of commerce, +but with instructions not to come to any irrevocable conclusion, until +Congress and all the States have an opportunity to consider of the +project, and suggest their amendments. + +There is one more argument in favor of sending a Minister forthwith; +it is this, while this mission lies open, it will be a source of +jealousy among present Ministers, and such as are or may be candidates +to be foreign Ministers, a source of intrigue and faction among their +partisans and adherents, and a source of animosity and division among +the people of the States. For this reason, it is a pity, that the +first choice had not been such as Congress could have continued to +approve, and the first measure such as Congress could have constantly +persevered in. If this had been the case, the door of faction would +have been kept shut. As this, however, was once my department, by the +voice of eleven States, in twelve present, and as I will be answerable +at any hazard, it will never be the department of any one by a greater +majority, there seems to be a propriety in my giving my advice +concerning it, on taking leave of it, if such is the will of +Congress, as I have before done in this letter, according to the best +of my judgment. And if it should not be thought too presumptuous, I +would beg leave to add, what is my idea of the qualifications +necessary for an American foreign Minister in general, and +particularly and above all to the Court of St James'. + +In the first place, he should have had an education in classical +learning, and in the knowledge of general history, ancient and modern, +and particularly the history of France, England, Holland, and America. +He should be well versed in the principles of ethics, of the law of +nature and nations, of legislation and government, of the civil Roman +law, of the laws of England, and the United States, of the public law +of Europe, and in the letters, memoirs, and histories of those great +men, who have heretofore shone in the diplomatic order, and conducted +the affairs of nations, and the world. He should be of an age to +possess a maturity of judgment, arising from experience in business. +He should be active, attentive, and industrious, and above all, he +should possess an upright heart, and an independent spirit, and should +be one, who decidedly makes the interest of his country, not the +policy of any other nation, nor his own private ambition or interest, +or those of his family, friends, and connexions, the rule of his +conduct. + +We hear so much said about a genteel address, and a facility in +speaking the French language, that one would think a dancing master +and a French master the only tutors necessary to educate a statesman. +Be it remembered, the present revolution, neither in America nor +Europe, has been accomplished by elegant bows, nor by fluency in +French, nor will any great thing ever be effected by such +accomplishments alone. A man must have something in his head to say, +before he can speak to effect, how ready soever he may be at +utterance. And if the knowledge is in his head, and the virtue in his +heart, he will never fail to find a way of communicating his +sentiments to good purpose. He will always have excellent translators +ready, if he wants them, to turn his thoughts into any language he +desires. + +As to what is called a fine address, it is seldom attended to after a +first or second conversation, and even in these, it is regarded no +more by men of sense of any country, than another thing, which I heard +disputed with great vivacity among the officers of the French frigate, +the Sensible. The question was, what were the several departments of +an Ambassador and a Secretary of Legation. After a long and shrewd +discussion, it was decided by a majority of votes, "that the +Secretary's part was to do the business, and that of an Ambassador to +keep a mistress." This decision produced a laugh among the company, +and no ideas of the kind will ever produce anything else, among men of +understanding. + +It is very true, that it is possible, that a case may happen, that a +man may serve his country by a bribe well placed, or an intrigue of +pleasure with a woman. But it is equally true, that a man's country +will be sold and betrayed a thousand times by this infamous commerce, +where it will be once served. It is very certain, that we shall never +be a match for European statesmen in such accomplishments for +negotiation, any more than, I must and will add, they will equal us in +any solid abilities, virtues, and application to business, if we +choose wisely among the excellent characters, with which our country +abounds. + +Among the Ministers, who have already crossed the Atlantic to Europe, +there have been none exceeding Mr Jay and Mr Dana, in all the +qualifications I have presumed to enumerate, and I must say, that if I +had the honor to give my vote in Congress, for a Minister at the Court +of Great Britain, provided that injustice must be finally done to him, +who was the first object of his country's choice, such have been the +activity, intelligence, address, and fortitude of Mr Jay, as well as +his sufferings in his voyage, journeys, and past services, that I +should think of no other object of my choice than that gentleman. If +Congress should neglect all their old Ministers, and send a fresh one +from America, they cannot be at a loss, for there are in that country +great numbers of men well qualified for the service. These are most +certainly better known by name to Congress than to me, and, therefore, +I shall venture no further, but conclude, by wishing this arduous +business well settled, and by assurances to Congress, and to you, Sir, +of my warmest attachment and respect. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS. + + Philadelphia, February 13th, 1783. + + Dear Sir, + +On my return, the night before last, from a journey to the State of +New York, I found your favors of the 6th, the 7th, the 17th, the 19th, +and the 23d of September. They contain important and useful +information; and that particularly of the 6th is replete with matter, +which deserves an attention, that I lament not having it in my power +to give it at this moment, as the express, by which this goes to +Baltimore, is on the wing. + +I congratulate you most sincerely upon having surmounted all the +obstacles, that opposed themselves to the completion of our important +connexion with the United States [of Holland]. It has, I think, given +the last blow to the pride of Britain. Its power, so far as it could +endanger us, was past recovery before, except as it derived force from +its pride, which, like the last struggles of a dying man, gave an +appearance of vigor to the body, which it was about to destroy. + +This covers a ratification of the treaty. The first copy sent by Mr +Jefferson has not been signed by me, owing to my absence. That +gentleman has not yet sailed from Baltimore, having been delayed by a +number of the enemy's cruisers, which infest the Bay. + +We this day received the speech of his Britannic Majesty. It breathes +so much the language of peace, that I begin to think it will be +unnecessary to give Mr Jefferson the trouble of going over at all. The +delays he has met with leave you longer without intelligence from +hence, than I would ever wish you to be, though no important event has +taken place, except the evacuation of Charleston. Our distress for +want of money has rather increased, than diminished. This object will +demand your attention, full as much if the war should be terminated, +as if it should continue. The army, and the other public creditors, +begin to grow very uneasy, and our present exhausted situation will +not admit of internal loans, or such taxes as will suffice to give +them relief. + +I have sent you three different sets of cyphers, not thinking it +advisable to send duplicates. Be pleased to let me know whether any +and which have arrived safe. + +I am, Sir, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, March 2d, 1783. + + Sir, + +I am very much of your opinion, that all places in general, in foreign +countries, under the United States, should be filled with Americans, +but am sometimes requested to transmit to Congress applications and +recommendations in so pressing a manner, and by persons of +distinction, that it would be scarcely civil to refuse. + +Such an instance is the following, and if Congress should depart from +the general rule, I suppose, that no person at Leghorn has so good +pretensions. + +The application to me is this,--"Messrs Touissaint, Doutremont & Co., +merchants of great credit at Leghorn, who obtained, fortyfive years +ago, letters of nobility from the Court of France, pray the gentlemen, +the deputies of the United States of America, to grant them the place +of Consul, or of Agent of their commerce at Leghorn." + +At least, if Congress, or their Ministers, have occasion for a +correspondent in that city, they will not be at a loss. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS. + + Philadelphia, April 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I received two days ago your favors of the 22d and 23d of January, +with the declarations for the cessation of hostilities, on which a +doubt of much importance to the people of this country is started, to +wit, to know at what period hostilities ceased on this coast, that is, +what is meant by "as far as the Canaries." If it means in the same +_latitude_, hostilities ceased here the 3d of March, and a great +number of vessels must be restored. If it does not mean a latitudinal +line, what does it mean, which carries any certainty with it? The +terms of the provisional treaty also occasion much debate. A variety +of questions have been started, but these I shall speak of in my +letter to you in conjunction with your colleagues, that you may, if +opportunity should offer before the Definitive Treaty is concluded, +find some means to rid them of their ambiguity. + +It would give me pain to find, that the Dutch do not attain their +objects in the close of the war, and still more to impute their +misfortunes to any desertion of their interests by France, since I +confess freely to you, that her conduct, as far as I have observed it, +has appeared to me in the highest degree generous and disinterested. +The extreme langour of the Dutch, their divisions, and the less than +nothing that they have done for themselves, entitle them to little. +Without the uncommon exertions of France, they would not have had a +single settlement left, either in the East or West Indies. So that +they lay absolutely at her mercy, and, therefore, I was pleased to +find their instructions to their Ministers so expressed as to leave no +room to fear, that they would obstruct the peace, when they +contributed so little to the prosecution of the war. But I rather +pitied, than blamed their weakness; they were torn by factions, and +clogged by an executive, which strove to find reasons for having no +execution. + +Congress, the day before yesterday, agreed to ratify the Provisional +Articles as such, and to release their prisoners, in which the British +took the lead. The tories have little reliance upon the effect of the +recommendations of Congress; great numbers of them have sailed, and +are daily sailing for Nova Scotia. + +With respect to your salary, I must pray you to settle with Dr +Franklin the amount of bills drawn in your favor. You will, with those +that go by this conveyance, receive the amount of three quarters' +salary, at two thousand seven hundred and seventyseven dollars and +sixtyeight ninetieths per quarter, which were laid out in bills at six +shillings three pence, this money, for five livres, which was a very +advantageous exchange for you. This, however, Congress have directed, +by the enclosed resolution, to be altered, and your salaries to be +paid in bills at the rate of five livres, five sous per dollar. As +this resolution retrospects you will have, with the bills transmitted +to you, livres more than is due for three quarters' salary. This will +be deducted from the last quarter, for which I will get a warrant, and +leave it with the Treasury here for you or your order. By settling +this matter with Dr Franklin, and redrawing upon your banker in +Holland, you will leave my accounts unembarrassed, which is of +consequence to me, as I have determined to quit the place I now hold, +in the course of a few weeks, and enjoy in retirement the pleasures of +peace. I have charged no commissions on these money transactions, nor +do I propose to charge any. + +Your account of contingent expenses is before a committee. Should +Congress agree to accept your resignation, (which I am sorry to see +you offer, since the connexions you have formed, and the experience +you have acquired, might render you particularly serviceable in +Holland) it will be best that you settle it with them yourself on your +arrival. The want of permanent funds, and the opposition which some +States have given to every attempt to establish them, the demands of +the public creditors, and particularly of the army, have excited much +uneasiness here. Satisfactory measures will, I hope, be adopted to +calm it, and do ample justice. The army, whose proceedings I transmit, +have done themselves honor by their conduct on this occasion. Too much +praise could not be given to the commander-in-chief, for the share he +had in the transaction, if he was not above all praise. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, April 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +You may easily imagine our anxiety to hear from America, when you know +that we have no news to this hour, either of your reception of the +news of peace, or that of the treaty with Holland, four copies of +which I put on board different vessels at Amsterdam, in October. + +We have been in equal uncertainty about the turn, which affairs might +take in England. But by letters from Mr Laurens we expect him every +day, and Mr David Hartley with him, in order to complete the +definitive treaty. It would have been more agreeable to have finished +with Mr Oswald. But the present Ministry are so dissatisfied with what +is past, as they say, though nobody believes them, that they choose to +change hands. + +It will be proposed, I believe, to make a temporary arrangement of +commercial matters, as our powers are not competent to a durable one, +if to any. Congress will, no doubt, soon send a Minister with full +powers, as the treaty of commerce with Great Britain is of great +importance, and our affairs in that country require an overseer. + +It is confidently asserted, in letters from Holland, that M. Markow, +the Minister Plenipotentiary from the Empress of Russia, has received +from his mistress a full power to come to Paris, to the assistance of +the Prince Bariatinski at a Congress for a general pacification. There +is, as yet, no answer received from the Emperor. If the two Imperial +Courts accept of the mediation, there will be a Congress; but I +suppose it will relate chiefly to the affairs of Holland, which are +not yet arranged, and to the liberty of neutral navigation, which is +their principal point. I wish success to that Republic in this +negotiation, which will help to compose their interior disorders, +which are alarming. + +I know not whether it will be insisted or expected, that we should +join in the Congress, nor do I know what we have to do in it, unless +it be to settle that point as far as it relates to us. There is +nothing in difference between us and Great Britain, which we cannot +adjust ourselves, without any mediation. + +A spring passage to America is so great an object, that I should be +very sorry to have the negotiations spun out to such a length as to +oblige me to lose it, and I take it for granted, I shall now receive +the acceptance of my resignation by the first ships. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, May 21st, 1783. + + Sir, + +I am just now honored with yours of the 19th of January, by the way of +London. We have not yet had the happiness to receive, as we should be +disposed to do with open arms, our excellent old friend Jefferson, and +begin to fear that the news of peace has determined him not to come. + +I thank you, Sir, for your polite congratulations; when the tide +turned, it flowed with rapidity, and carried the vessel, as I hope, +into a safe harbor. + +As to the loan in Holland, I have never troubled you, nor any one else +in America, with details of the vexations of various kinds, which I +met with in the negotiation of it; indeed, I never thought it prudent +or safe to do it. If I had told the whole truth, it could have done no +good, and it might have done infinite mischief. In general, it is now +sufficient to say, that private interest, party spirit, factions, +cabals, and slanderers, have obstructed, perplexed, and tortured our +loan in Holland, as well as all our other affairs, foreign and +domestic. But as there has been a greater variety of clashing +interests, English, French, Stadtholderian, Republican, and American, +mixing in the affair of our loan in Holland, it has been more puzzled +than anything else. If, in the bitterness of my soul, I had described +the fermentation, and mentioned names, and drawn characters, I might +have transmitted a curious tale, but it would have only served to +inflame old animosities, and excite new ones. + +A great many things are said to me, on purpose that they may be +represented to you or to Congress. Some of these I believe to be +false, most of them I suspect, and some of them that are true would do +no good. I think it necessary, therefore, to employ a little +discretion in such cases. + +Messrs Willinks & Co. will write you from time to time, as they tell +me they have done, the state of the loan. Mr Grand wants all the +money, but they wait your orders. The loan has been and will be damped +by transmitting the money to France, but your necessities were so +urgent, that you could not avoid it. + +In my opinion, if you had a Minister at St James's, and he were +authorised to borrow money generally, in England or elsewhere, it +would serve you greatly, by causing an emulation even in Holland, +besides the money you would procure in London, which would not be a +trifling sum. + +I wish I were in Congress, that I might assist you in persuading our +countrymen to pay taxes and build ships. + +With great esteem and respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, May 24th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I have the honor to enclose copies, to be laid before Congress, of +several papers. 1st. Mr Hartley's full powers of May 14th. 2dly. The +order of the King of Great Britain in Council, for regulating the +American trade, of May 14th. 3dly. Articles proposed by the American +Ministers to Mr Hartley, April 29th. 4thly. Mr Hartley's observations +left with us May 21st. And 5thly. Mr Hartley's proposition of the same +day.[4] + +This proposition, however, upon inquiry, we find Mr Hartley does not +incline to subscribe to, before he sends it to his Court for their +orders. So that we have not yet given him our opinion of it. He has +sent a courier to London, before whose return we hope to have further +intelligence from Philadelphia. + +The present British Ministry discover an indecision and timidity, +which indicate instability. Some persons from England imagine, that my +Lord Shelburne will come in again. The change would produce a longer +delay; but I think would be no disadvantage to America. If he had +continued in power, I think we should have finished, or been ready to +finish, before now with Mr Oswald. Mr Hartley's dispositions, however, +are very good, and if left to his own judgment, would be liberal and +fair. + +The idea of reviving the trade, upon the plan of the laws of Great +Britain before the war, although those laws were calculated so much +for the advantage of that country and so little for the advantage of +ours, might be admissible for a few months, until Ministers could be +appointed on both sides to frame a treaty of commerce; provided no +advantage should be ceded by it, in the negotiation of such treaty, +and provided, that such a temporary convention for trade should +neither delay nor influence the definitive treaty. It is much to be +wished, that the definitive treaty of peace, and a permanent treaty of +commerce, could be signed at the same time. This, however, seems now +to be impossible; and, therefore, some temporary regulation of +commerce seems unavoidable. But we are as yet too uncertain of the +sentiments of the Court of St James, to be able to foresee, whether we +shall be able to agree with them. Mr Hartley has been here four weeks, +and nothing has been done, although he was very sanguine before he +left London, that he should send home a convention in less than half +of four days. + +Congress will see by Mr Hartley's commission, that they are become the +"good friends" of the King of Great Britain. Mr Hartley on his first +arrival here communicated to us in form, an invitation from the +Ministers, with the knowledge and consent of the King, to all the +American Ministers to go to London, with the assurance, that we should +be there presented at Court, and treated in all respects like the +Ministers of any other sovereign State. He also communicated the +desire of his Court, that the two Powers should interchange Ministers +as soon as possible. I hope that the first ship will bring a Minister +for that Court, or a commission to some one to go there, because I +think it would have been useful to us to have had one there three +months ago, and that it would not be less useful now. The permanent +treaty of commerce, nevertheless, should not he hastily concluded, nor +before Congress shall have had an opportunity to judge of the project, +suggest their amendments, and transmit their orders. + +No preliminaries are yet signed with the Dutch, and I am very anxious +for their lot. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[4] These papers will be found in the Correspondence of the +Commissioners for making peace. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, May 30th, 1783. + + Sir, + +On the 28th of this month, the letter which you did me the honor to +write me on the 13th of February, which arrived at the Hague, I +received, enclosed with the ratification of the treaty with their High +Mightinesses, which will be exchanged by M. Dumas, as the conferences +here for the definitive treaty will not admit of my taking so long a +journey at this time.[5] + +This arrival in season to exchange the ratifications before the +departure of M. Van Berckel, which is to be in about three weeks, is +fortunate. I hope that the first ships from America will bring my +letter of recall from that Republic, and another Minister, or credence +to some one now in Europe, to take my place. + +I am happy to find that any letters of mine in September last +contained information that you think of consequence, although, not +having my letter book here, I am not able to recollect the subject. +The final completion of the negotiation with Holland gives me a +pleasure, which will not be equalled, but by that of the definitive +treaty of peace, which languishes at present for want of decisive +instructions from Mr Hartley, in such a manner, as gives cause to +suspect that the present Ministry are not firm in their seats. + +The presence of a Minister in Holland would encourage your loan of +money there, but it would be quickened still more, by your sending a +Minister to London, with powers to borrow money there. Emulation is +the best spring; or call it rivalry, or jealousy, if you will, it will +get you money if you put it in motion. + +I have received two cyphers from you, Sir, one beginning with No. 1, +and ending with No. 1011. The other beginning with Amsterdam, and +ending with Provinces. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[5] The particulars of the ratification will be seen in M. Dumas's +Correspondence. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 9th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The enclosed, No. 121 of the _Politique Hollandais_ having translated +a few sentences of mine, and the author intending to insert more, as +he has already inserted a good deal of the same correspondence, I +think it proper to transmit you a short relation of it. + +In 1780, at Paris, a number of pamphlets of Mr Galloway's were sent me +from England. I wrote to a friend an answer to them. He sent it to +London to be published. But whether the printers were afraid, or from +what other motive, I know not. I heard nothing of them until the +spring and summer of 1782, when some of them appeared in print, in +Parker's General Advertiser, under the title of "_Letters from a +distinguished American_," &c. but with false dates. + +There are in those letters so many of the characteristic features of +the Provisional Treaty, of the 30th of November, 1782, that the +publication of them in England, at the time when they appeared, may be +supposed to have contributed, more or less, to propagate such +sentiments as the more private circulation of them before had +suggested to a few. And as they were written by one of your Ministers +at the conferences for peace, who repeated and extended the same +arguments to the British Ministers in the course of the negotiation, +it is proper that you should be informed of them. Whether I have in +any former letter mentioned this subject, or not, I do not recollect. +If I have, I pray you to excuse the repetition. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 16th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday afternoon, the duplicate of your letter of the 14th of +April, No. 16, was brought in to me, with the post-mark "Brest" upon +it. As soon as I had read it, I went out to Passy, in hopes that other +despatches had arrived there, but I found none. While I was there, a +packet of newspapers addressed to us all was brought in, with the +post-mark of Brest on it. I still hope and believe, that other +despatches, by the same conveyance, will appear in a few days, but +whether they are still in the post office, or whether the Duc de +Lauzun intends to bring them in person, is uncertain. + +I think, Sir, there is no room to doubt the justice of your opinion, +that the latitude of the Canaries is meant, and, consequently, that +hostilities ceased on the whole coast of the United States on the 3d +of March. + +I am well aware, that a variety of questions may be started upon the +provisional articles. The great points of sovereignty, limits, and +fisheries, are sufficiently clear. But there are too many other things +in much obscurity. No one of us alone would ever have put his hand to +such a writing. Yet there is no one to blame. It must be confessed, +that it was done in haste, but that haste was inevitable. The peace +depended absolutely upon the critical moment, when that treaty was +signed. The meeting of Parliament was so near, and the state of the +Ministry so critical, that if that opportunity had been lost, there +would have been at least another campaign. There were never less than +three of us, and there were finally no less than three to be consulted +on the other side. These inaccuracies are much to be lamented, but +they were quite unavoidable. We shall endeavor to explain them in the +definitive treaty, but I fear without success. + +I hope, Sir, you will excuse me, if I think your expressions fall +short of the real merit of the Dutch. If they had accepted the Russian +mediation for a separate peace, we should have seen a very formidable +difference. The vast weight of the Dutch in the East Indies, being +added to that of France, has influenced the minds of the natives in +such a manner, as to turn the scale against England. The Cape of Good +Hope was indispensable to France, and we are not yet informed what +proportion of the expense of French operations in the East Indies is +to be borne by the Dutch East India Company, at whose solicitations, +by their agents, sent early to Versailles, they were undertaken. From +twelve to fifteen British ships of the line, in the best condition, +with the best officers and men, have been kept almost constantly in +the North seas to watch the Dutch, a momentous diversion, which made +the balance more clear in favor of the allies in the East and West +Indies, as well as in the Channel; and it may be added, and that with +strict truth, the battle of Doggerbank imprinted more terror on the +imaginations of the British navy and nation, than all the other sea +engagements of the war. + +Your observations of their unfortunate situation are, however, very +just, and their exertions have not been such as they might and ought +to have been. But this was the fault of the enemies of France in +Holland, not of their friends, and, unhappily, those enemies are to be +gratified by the terms of peace prescribed to that power, and those +friends mortified. And this misfortune probably arises from the +instructions in question, by which they made themselves of no +importance, instead of acting the part of a sovereign, independent, +and respectable power. If they had held their own negotiations in +their own hands, they would probably have obtained better terms. I +could mention many facts and anecdotes of much importance; but these +have been communicated to me in confidence, and as this is a +discussion that concerns us only indirectly, and as our instructions +were parallel to theirs, although the execution of them was different, +and the event different, I shall waive any further observations upon +the subject. + +We are happy to learn, that Congress have ratified the treaty, +imperfect as it is, and that each side has released its prisoners. Mr +Hartley communicated to us officially, two days ago, that orders were +gone to New York to evacuate the United States. + +Dr Franklin has never made any use of the bills for my salary, and I +have never received any part of them. I shall easily settle that +matter when I get home, which your letter encourages me to hope will +be very soon. The connexions I have formed in Holland may be of use to +the public, wherever I may be, in America, or elsewhere, as well as +even in that country itself. Those connexions will readily become +those of any Minister Congress may send there. It cost me all my +happiness, and had very nearly cost me my life, to form them; it cost +me more; it has left me in an ill state of health, which I never shall +fully repair. I shall carry Holland in my veins to my grave. It will +cost no man anything to go there now. His mind will be at ease, and he +will have spirits necessary to take care to preserve his health. To me +it has become physically necessary, as well as a moral and religious +duty, to join my family. This can be done only by going to them, or +bringing them to me; and to bring them to Holland is what I cannot +think of, both because, that on account of my own health, as well as +theirs, and on other considerations, I should not choose to live among +those putrid lakes, and because I think I can do my country more and +better service at home than there. + +I will not disguise another motive, which would be altogether +insurmountable, if it were alone. I do not think it consistent with +the honor of the United States, any more than with my own, for me to +stay in Holland, after the appointment of any other Minister +whatsoever to the mission upon which I came to Europe, and which has +been taken from me without assigning any reason. Congress are the +sovereign judges for themselves and the public of the persons proper +for all services, excepting that every citizen is a sovereign judge +for himself. I have never adopted the principle, that it is a +citizen's duty to accept of any trust, that is pointed out to him, +unless he approves of it. On the contrary, I think it a right and a +duty, that no law of society can take away, for every man to judge +for himself, whether he can serve consistently with his own honor, and +the honor and interest of the public. + +When the existence of our country and her essential interests were at +stake, it was a duty to run all risks, to stifle every feeling, to +sacrifice every interest, and this duty I have discharged with +patience and perseverance, and with a success, that can be attributed +only to Providence. But in time of peace, the public in less danger +abroad than at home, knowing I can do more good at home, I should do a +very wrong thing to remove my family to stay in Holland, merely for +the sake of holding an honorable commission, making and receiving +bows, and compliments, and eating splendid suppers at Court. + +There is one piece of advice I beg leave to offer to the Minister who +may go to Holland, respecting a future loan of money. It is, to +inquire whether the house of Hope would undertake a loan for us, +either in conjunction with the houses who have the present one, or +with any of them, or alone. In my private opinion, which ought to be +kept as secret as possible, we might obtain a large loan in that way, +and that we cannot in any other. The people in that interest have the +money. I am not personally known to that House, nor any one of them to +me, but I know they are all powerful in money matters, and I believe +they would engage. + +The happy turn given to the discontents of the army, by the General, +is consistent with his character, which, as you observe, is above all +praise, as every character is whose rule and object are duty, not +interest, nor glory, which I think has been strictly true with the +General from the beginning, and I trust will continue to the end. May +he long live, and enjoy his reflections, and the confidence and +affections of a free, grateful, and virtuous people. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +Your favor of the 14th of April, No. 16, acknowledged the receipt of +mine of the 21st and the 22d of January, but took no notice of any +letters, which went by Captain Barney. Neither Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, +nor myself have any answer to the despatches, which went by this +express; although yours to me, No. 16, gave cause to expect letters to +us all, with instructions concerning the Definitive Treaty. This +profound silence of Congress, and the total darkness in which we are +left, concerning their sentiments, is very distressing to us, and very +dangerous and injurious to the public. + +I see no prospect of agreeing upon any regulation of commerce here. +The present Ministry are afraid of every knot of merchants. A clamor +of an interested party, more than an evil to their country, is their +dread. A few West India merchants, in opposition to the sense and +interest of the West India planters, are endeavoring to excite an +opposition to our carrying the produce of the West India Islands from +those islands to Europe, even to Great Britain. There are also secret +schemes to exclude us, if they can, from the trade of Ireland, to +possess themselves of the carrying trade of the United States, by +prohibiting any American vessel to bring to Great Britain any +commodity but those of the State to which it belongs. Thus, a +Philadelphia vessel can carry no tobacco, rice, or indigo, nor a +Carolina vessel wheat or flour, nor a Boston vessel either, unless +grown in its own State. In this way, a superficial party think they +can possess themselves of the carriage of almost all the productions +of the United States, annihilate our navigation and nurseries of +seamen, and keep all to themselves more effectually than ever. They +talk too of discouraging the people of the United States, and +encouraging those of Canada and Nova Scotia, in such a manner as to +increase the population of those two Provinces, even by migrations +from the United States. These are dreams, to be sure; but the dreamers +are so many, as to intimidate the present Ministry, who dare venture +upon nothing that will make a clamor. I have lately heard, that the +merchants in America are waiting to hear the regulations of trade made +here. They will wait, I know not how long. There is no present +prospect of our agreeing at all upon any regulations of trade. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +The British nation and Ministry are in a very unsettled state; they +find themselves in a new situation, and have not digested any plan. +Ireland is in a new situation; she is independent of Parliament, and +the English know not how to manage her. To what an extent she will +claim a right of trading with the United States, is unknown. Canada +too, and Nova Scotia, are in a new situation; the former, they say, +must have a new government. But what form to give them, and, indeed, +what kind of government they are capable of, or would be agreeable to +them, is uncertain. Nothing is digested. + +There is a party, composed probably of refugees, friends of the old +hostile system, and fomented by emissaries of several foreign nations, +who do not wish a cordial reconciliation and sincere friendship +between Great Britain and the United States, who clamor for the +conservation of the navigation act, and the carrying trade. If these +should succeed so far as to excite Parliament or the Ministry to adopt +a contracted principle, to exclude us from the West India trade, and +from trading with Canada and Nova Scotia, and from carrying freely, in +vessels belonging to any one of the Thirteen States, the production of +any other to Great Britain, the consequences may be to perplex us for +a time, may bind us closer to France, Spain, Holland, Germany, Italy, +and the northern nations, and thus be fatal to Great Britain, without +being finally very hurtful to us. + +The nations of Europe, who have islands in the West Indies, have, at +this moment, a delicate part to take. Upon their present decisions, +great things will depend. The commerce of the West India Islands, is a +part of the American system of commerce. They can neither do without +us, nor we without them. The Creator has placed us upon the globe in +such a situation, that we have occasion for each other. We have the +means of assisting each other, and politicians and artful contrivances +cannot separate us. Wise statesmen, like able artists of every kind, +study nature, and their works are perfect in proportion as they +conform to her laws. Obstinate attempts to prevent the islands and the +continent, by force or policy, from deriving from each other those +blessings, which nature has enabled them to afford, will only put +both to thinking of means of coming together. And an injudicious +regulation at this time may lay a foundation for intimate +combinations, between the islands and the continent, which otherwise +would not be wished for, or thought of by either. + +If the French, Dutch, and Danes, have common sense, they will profit +of any blunder Great Britain may commit upon this occasion. The ideas +of the British cabinet and merchants, at present, are so confused upon +all these subjects, that we can get them to agree to nothing. I still +think, that the best policy of the United States is, to send a +Minister to London to negotiate a treaty of commerce, instructed to +conclude nothing, not the smallest article, until he has sent it to +Congress, and received their approbation. In the meantime, Congress +may admit any British or Irish ships, that have arrived, or may +arrive, to trade as they please. + +For my own part, I confess I would not advise Congress to bind +themselves to anything, that is not reasonable and just. If we should +agree to revive the trade upon the old footing, it is the utmost that +can, with a color of justice or modesty, be requested of us. This is +not equal, but might be borne. Rather than go further, and deny +ourselves the freight from the West Indies to Europe, at least, to +Great Britain, especially rather than give away our own carrying +trade, by agreeing that the ships of one State should not carry to +Great Britain the produce of another, I would be for entering into +still closer connexions with France, Spain, and Holland, and purchase +of them, at the expense of Great Britain, what she has not wisdom +enough to allow us for her own good. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 24th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The gazettes of Europe still continue to be employed, as the great +engines of fraud and imposture to the good people of America. +Stockjobbers are not the only people, who employ a set of scribblers +to invent and publish falsehoods for their own peculiar purposes. +British and French, as well as other politicians, entertain these +fabricators of paragraphs, who are stationed about in the various +cities of Europe, and take up each other's productions in such a +manner, that no sooner does a paragraph appear in a French, Dutch, or +English paper, but it is immediately seized on, and reprinted in all +the others; this is not all; in looking over the American newspapers, +I observe, that nothing is seized on with so much avidity by the +American _nouvellists_, for republication in their gazettes, as these +political lies. I cannot attribute this merely to the credulity of the +printers, who have generally more discernment than to be deceived. But +I verily believe, there are persons in every State employed to select +out these things, and get them reprinted. + +Sometimes the invention is so simple, as really to deceive. Such, I +doubt not, will be that of a long paragraph in the English papers, all +importing that Mr Hartley had made a treaty of commerce with us, or +was upon the point of concluding one. Nothing is further from the +truth. We have not to this hour agreed upon one proposition, nor do I +see any probability that we shall at all, respecting commerce. + +We have not, indeed, as yet, agreed upon a point respecting the +definitive treaty. We are waiting for those instructions of yours, +which you mentioned in yours of the 14th of April, which I have not +yet received. + +Americans should be cautious of European newspapers, as well as of +their own; more so, indeed, because they have not so much knowledge, +and so good opportunities to detect the former as the latter. There is +a great number of persons in Europe, who insert things in the papers +in order to make impressions in America. Characters are in this way +built up and pulled down, without the least consideration of justice, +and merely to answer sinister purposes, sometimes extremely pernicious +to the United States. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 27th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, and myself, met to prepare the +definitive treaty, and made so much progress in it, that tomorrow we +shall be ready to communicate to Mr Hartley the result. But I have +small hopes of obtaining anything more by the definitive treaty. + +The Duke of Manchester, and Count d'Aranda have arranged everything +between England and Spain, and are ready to finish for their two +Courts. France, I presume, waits only for Holland, or perhaps for some +other negotiation with the Imperial Courts. If all the other parties +were now to declare themselves ready, we should be puzzled. In such a +case, however, I am determined (and I believe, but do not know, that +my colleagues would join me) to declare myself ready to sign the +provisional treaty, _totidem verbis_, for a definitive treaty. + +From all I can learn, I am persuaded we shall gain nothing by any +further negotiation. If we obtain anything by way of addition or +explanation, we shall be obliged to give more for it than it is worth. +If the British Minister refuses to agree to such changes as we may +think reasonable, and refuses to sign the provisional articles as +definitive ones, I take it for granted, France will not sign till we +do. If they should they are still safe, for the provisional articles +are to constitute the treaty as soon as France has made peace, and I +should rather have it on that footing, than make any material +alteration. + +I have put these several cases, because I should be supprised at +nothing from the present British Ministry. If they have any plan at +all, it is a much less gracious one towards America, than that of +their immediate predecessors. If Shelburne, Townshend, Pitt, &c. had +continued, we should have had everything settled long ago, to our +entire satisfaction, and to the infinite advantage of Great Britain +and America, in such a manner as would have restored good humor and +affection, as far as in the nature of things they can now be restored. + +After the great point of acknowledging our independence was got over, +by issuing Mr Oswald's last commission, this Shelburne administration +conducted towards us like men of sense and honor. The present +administration have neither discovered understanding nor sincerity. +The present British administration is unpopular, and it is in itself +so heterogeneous a composition, that it seems impossible it should +last long. Their present design seems to be not to commit themselves +by agreeing to anything. As soon as anything is done, somebody will +clamor. While nothing is done, it is not known what to clamor about. +If there should be a change in favor of the Ministry that made the +peace, and a dissolution of this profligate league, which they call +the coalition, it would be much for the good of all who speak the +English language. If fame says true, the coalition was formed at +gambling tables, and is conducted as it was formed, upon no other than +gambling principles. + +Such is the fate of a nation, which stands tottering on the brink of a +precipice, with a debt of two hundred and fiftysix millions sterling +on its shoulders; the interest of which, added to the peace +establishment only, exceeds by above a million annually all their +revenues, enormously and intolerably as they are already taxed. The +only chance they have for salvation is in a reform, and in recovering +the affection of America. The last Ministry were sensible of this, and +acted accordingly. The present Ministry are so far from being sensible +of it, or caring about it, that they seem to me to be throwing the +last dice for the destruction of their country. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 27th, 1783. + + Sir, + +A few vessels have arrived in England from various parts of America, +and have probably made the Ministry, merchants, and manufacturers less +anxious about a present arrangement of commerce. Whether these vessels +have rashly hazarded these voyages against the laws of their country, +or whether they have permission from Congress, or their States, we are +not informed. + +It would have been better, no doubt, to have had an agreement made +before the trade was opened, but the eagerness of both sides may not +easily be restrained. Whether it is practicable for Congress to stop +the trade, I know not, or whether it would be expedient if +practicable, I doubt. + +The balance of parties in England is so nicely poised, that the +smallest weight shifts the scales. In truth nothing can be done +without changing the Ministry, for whatever is done raises a cry +sufficient to shake those who do it. In this situation, it is a +question whether it is best to keep things in suspense, or bring them +to a decision. If Congress were to prohibit all trade with England, +until a Treaty of Commerce were made, or some temporary convention at +least, it might bring on a decision, by exciting a cry against the +Ministry for not making a convention. But the moment a convention is +made, a cry will be raised against them for making it. The present +Ministry, to judge by their motions hitherto, will hazard the clamor +for not making one, rather than that for making one. They think it +least dangerous to them, especially since they have seen so many +American vessels arrive in England, and have heard, that British ships +are admitted to an entry in the ports of America, particularly +Philadelphia. + +The most difficult thing to adjust in a Treaty of Commerce, will be +the communications we shall have with the West India Islands. This is +of great importance to us, and to the islands, and I think to Great +Britain too. Yet there is a formidable party for excluding us at least +from carrying the produce of those islands to Great Britain. + +Much will depend upon the Minister you first send to London. An +American Minister would be a formidable person to any British Minister +whatever. He would converse with all parties, and if he is a prudent, +cautious man, he would at this moment have more influence there than +you can imagine. + +We are chained here on the only spot in the world, where we can be of +no use. If my colleagues were of my mind, we would all go together to +London, where we could negotiate the Definitive Treaty, and talk of +arrangements of commerce to some purpose. However, one Minister in +London, with proper instructions, would do better than four. He would +have the artifices of French emissaries to counteract, as well as +English partizans; for you may depend upon it, the French see with +pleasure the improbability of our coming soon and cordially together, +as they saw with manifest regret, the appearances of cordial +reconciliation under the former administration. These sentiments are +not unnatural, but we are under no obligation, from mere complaisance, +to sacrifice interests of such deep and lasting consequence. For it is +not merely mercantile profit and convenience, that is at stake; future +wars, long and bloody wars, may be either avoided or entailed upon our +posterity, as we conduct wisely or otherwise the present negotiation +with Great Britain. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 3d, 1783. + + Sir, + +On the last Ambassador's day, which was last Tuesday, Dr Franklin, Mr +Jay, and myself waited on the Count de Vergennes, who told us, he +thought he had agreed with the Duke of Manchester, but that his Grace +had not yet received the positive approbation of his Court. The Count +advised us to make a visit altogether to the Ambassadors of the two +Imperial Courts. Accordingly, yesterday morning we went, first to the +Count de Mercy Argenteau, the Ambassador of the Emperor of Germany, +and King of Hungary and Bohemia. His Excellency was not at home, so we +left our card. + +We went next to the Prince Bariatinski, Minister Plenipotentiary from +the Court of Russia; our servant asked if the Prince was at home, and +received for answer, that he was. We were shown into the Prince's +apartment, who received us very politely. While we were here, Mr +Markoff came in. He also is a Minister Plenipotentiary, adjoined to +the Prince in the affair of the mediation. I told him we proposed to +do ourselves the honor of calling on him. He answered, "As you are an +old acquaintance I shall be very happy to see you." Whether this was a +turn of politeness, or whether it was a political distinction, I know +not. We shall soon know, by his returning, or not returning, our +visit. The Prince asked where I lodged, and I told him. This indicates +an intention to return the visit. + +We went next to the Dutch Ambassador's, M. de Berkenrode. He was not +at home, or not visible. Next to the Baron de Blome, Envoy +Extraordinary of the King of Denmark; not at home. Next to M. +Markoff's. The porter answered, that he was at home. We alighted, and +were going to his apartment, when we were told he was not come in. We +left a card, and went to the other Dutch Ambassador's, M. Brantzen, +who was not at home; _en passant_, we left a card at the Swedish +Minister's, and returned home, the heat being too excessive to pursue +our visits any further. + +Thus, we have made visits to all the Ministers, who are to be present +at the signature of the definitive treaty. Whether the Ministers of +the Imperial Courts will be present, I know not. There are many +appearances of a coldness between France and Russia, and the Emperor +seems to waver between two opinions, whether to join in the war that +threatens, or not. Perhaps the Ministers of the Imperial Courts will +write for instructions whether to return or not our visit. + +After I had begun this letter, Captain Barney came in, and delivered +me your duplicate of No. 12, November the 6th, 1782; duplicate of No. +14, December the 19th, 1782, and triplicate of No. 16, April the 14th, +1783, and the original of your letter of the 18th of April, 1783, not +numbered. The last contained my account. But as I have never received +any of this money from Dr Franklin, or M. Gerard, but have my salary +from Messrs Willinks & Co. at Amsterdam, I am extremely sorry you have +had so much trouble with this affair. + +Although in your later letters you say nothing of my resignation, or +the acceptance of it, I expect to receive it soon, and then I shall +have an opportunity to settle the affair of my salary at +Philadelphia. + +After reading your letters to me, I went out to Passy to see those +addressed to us all. Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, and myself, (Mr Laurens +being still in England) read them all over together. We shall do all +in our power to procure the advantages in the definitive treaty, you +mention. The state of parties is such in England, that it is +impossible to foresee when there will be a Ministry, who will dare to +take any step at all. The coalition between Lord North and his +connexions, and Mr Fox and his, is a rope of sand. Mr Fox, by pushing +the vote in the House of Commons disapproving the peace, and by +joining so many of the old Ministers in the new administration, has +justly excited so many jealousies of his sincerity, that no confidence +can be placed in him by us. I am extremely sorry, that the most +amiable men in the nation, Portland, and the Cavendishes, should have +involved themselves in the same reproach. + +In short, at present, Shelburne, Pitt, Townshend, and the +administration of which they were members, seem to have been the only +ones, who, for a moment, had just notions of their country and ours. +Whether these men, if now called to power, would pursue their former +ideas, I know not. The Bible teaches us not to put our trust in +Princes, and _à fortiori_ in Ministers of State. + +The West India commerce now gives us most anxiety. If the former +British Ministry had stood, we might have secured it from England, +and, in that case, France would have been obliged to admit us to their +islands, _se defendendo_. The first maxim of a statesman, as well as +that of a statuary, or a painter, should be to study nature; to cast +his eyes round about his country, and see what advantages nature has +given it. This was well attended to, in the boundary between the +United States and Canada, and in the fisheries. The commerce of the +West India Islands, falls necessarily into the natural system of the +commerce of the United States. We are necessary to them and they to +us; and there will be a commerce between us. If the government forbid +it, it will be carried on clandestinely; France can more easily +connive at a contraband trade than England. But we ought to wish to +avoid the temptation to this. I believe, that neither France nor +England will allow us to transport the productions of their Islands to +other parts of Europe. + +The utmost we may hope to obtain would be permission to import the +productions of the French Islands into France, giving bond to land +them in some port of that kingdom, and the productions of the English +Islands into some port of Great Britain, giving bonds to land them +there. It must, however, be the care of the Minister, who may have to +negotiate a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, to obtain as ample +freedom in this trade as possible. + +While I was writing the above, my servant announced the Imperial +Ambassador, whom I rose to receive. He said, that he was happy that +the circumstances of the times afforded him an opportunity of forming +an acquaintance with me, which he hoped would be improved into a more +intimate one. I said, his Excellency did me great honor, and begged +him to sit, which he did, and fell into a conversation of an hour. We +ran over a variety of subjects, particularly the commerce which might +take place between the United States and Germany, by the way of +Trieste and Fiume, and the Austrian Netherlands, and the great +disposition in Germany to migration to America. He says he knows the +country round about Trieste very well, having an estate there; that +it is a very extensive and a very rich country, which communicates +with that maritime city, and that the navigation of the Adriatic sea, +though long, is not dangerous. I asked him what we should do with the +Barbary powers. He said, he thought all the powers of the world ought +to unite in the suppression of such a detestable race of pirates, and +that the Emperor had lately made an insinuation to the Porte upon the +subject. I asked him if he thought France and England would agree to +such a project, observing that I had heard that some Englishmen had +said, "if there were no Algiers, England ought to build one." He said, +he could not answer for England. + +It is unnecessary to repeat any more of the conversation, which turned +upon the frugal and industrious character of the Germans, the best +cultivators in Europe, and the dishonorable traffic of some of the +German Princes in men, a subject he introduced and enlarged on +himself. I said nothing about it. Rising up to take leave, he repeated +several compliments he had made when he first came in, and added, "The +Count de Vergennes will do me the honor to dine with me one of these +days, and I hope to have that of your company. We will then speak of +an affair upon which the Count de Vergennes and you have already +conversed." + +This shows there is something in agitation, but what it is I cannot +conjecture; whether it is to induce us to make the compliment to the +two Imperial Courts to sign the definitive treaty as mediators, +whether there is any project of an association for the liberty of +navigation, or whether it is any other thing, I cannot guess at +present, but I will write you as soon as I know. Whatever it is, we +must treat it with respect, but we shall be very careful how we +engage our country in measures of consequence without being clear of +our powers, and without the instructions of Congress. + +I went out to Passy, and found from Mr Jay, that he had made his visit +there, in the course of the day, but had said nothing to Dr Franklin +or him about the dinner with the Count de Vergennes. In the course of +the day, I had visits from the Prince Bariatinski and M. de Markoff, +the two Ministers of the Empress of Russia. The porter told these +gentlemen's servants, that I was at home, but they did not come up, +but only sent up their cards. + +While I was gone to Passy, Monsieur de Blome, Envoy Extraordinary from +the King of Denmark, called and left his card. Thus the point of +etiquette seems to be settled, and we are to be treated in character +by all the Powers of Europe. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, July 5th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Your favors of the 12th and 29th of May were delivered to me on the 3d +of this month by Captain Barney. Every assistance, in my power, shall +be given to Mr Barclay. Mr Grand will write you the amount of all the +bills which have been paid in Holland, which were accepted by me. You +may banish your fears of a double payment of any one bill. I never +accepted a bill without taking down in writing a very particular +description of it, nor without examining the book, to see whether it +had been accepted before. I sent regularly, in the time of it, copies +of these acceptances to Dr Franklin, and I have now asked him to lend +them to me, that I may copy them and send them to you. The Doctor has +promised to look up my letters, and let me have them. The originals +are at the Hague, with multitudes of other papers, which I want every +day. + +Among the many disagreeable circumstances attending my duty in Europe, +it is not the least, that instead of being fixed to any one station, I +have been perpetually danced about from "post to pillar," unable to +have my books and papers with me, unable to have about me the +conveniences of a house-keeper for health, pleasure, or business, but +yet subjected in many articles to double expenses. + +Mr Livingston has not informed me of any determination of Congress +upon my letter to you of the 17th of November, which distresses me +much on Mr Thaxter's account, who certainly merits more than he has +received, or can receive, without the favor of Congress. + +I thank you, Sir, most affectionately for your kind congratulation on +the peace. Our late enemies always clamor against a peace, but this +one is better for them than they had reason to expect after so mad a +war. Our countrymen too, I suppose, are not quite satisfied. This +thing and that thing should have been otherwise, no doubt. If any man +blames us I wish him no other punishment than to have, if that were +possible, just such another peace to negotiate, exactly in our +situation. I cannot look back upon this event without the most +affecting sentiments, when I consider the number of nations concerned, +the complications of interests, extending all over the globe, the +characters of actors, the difficulties which attended every step of +the progress, how everything labored in England, France, Spain, and +Holland, that the armament at Cadiz was upon the point of sailing, +which would have rendered another campaign inevitable, that another +campaign would have probably involved France in a continental war, as +the Emperor would in that case have joined Russia against the Porte; +that the British Ministry was then in so critical a situation, that +its duration for a week or a day depended upon its making peace; that +if that Ministry had been changed, it could have been succeeded only +either by North and Company, or by the coalition; that it is certain, +that neither North and Company, nor the coalition, would have made +peace upon any terms, that either we or the other Powers would have +agreed to; and that all these difficulties were dissipated by one +decided step of the British and American Ministers. I feel too +strongly a gratitude to Heaven for having been conducted safely +through the storm, to be very solicitous whether we have the +approbation of mortals or not. + +A delay of one day might, and probably would, have changed the +Ministry in England, in which case all would have been lost. If, after +we had agreed with Mr Oswald, we had gone to Versailles to show the +result to the Count de Vergennes, you would have been this moment at +war, and God knows how or when you would have got out. What would have +been the course? The Count de Vergennes would have sprinkled us with +compliments, the holy water of a Court. He would have told us; "you +have done, gentlemen, very well for your country. You have gained a +great deal. I congratulate you upon it, but you must not sign till we +are ready; we must sign altogether here in this room." What would have +been our situation? We must have signed against this advice, as Mr +Laurens says he would have done, and as I believe Mr Jay and I should +have done, which would have been the most marked affront, that could +have been offered, or we must have waited for France and Spain, which +would have changed the Ministry in England, and lost the whole peace, +as certainly as there is a world in being. When a few frail vessels +are navigating among innumerable mountains of ice, driven by various +winds, and drawn by various currents, and a narrow crevice appears to +one, by which all may escape, if that one improves the moment and sets +the example, it will not do to stand upon ceremonies, and ask, which +shall go first, or that all may go together. + +I hope you will excuse this little excursion, and believe me to be, +with great respect and esteem, your most obedient and most humble +servant, + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 7th, 1783. + + Sir, + +We cannot as yet obtain from Mr Hartley, or his principals, an +explicit consent to any one proposition whatever. Yet England and +France, and England and Spain are probably agreed, and Holland, I +suppose, must comply. Our last resource must be to say, we are ready +to sign the Provisional Treaty, _totidem verbis_, as the Definitive +Treaty. + +I think it is plain, that the British Ministry do not intend to sign +any treaty till Parliament rises. There are such dissensions in the +Cabinet, that they apprehend a treaty laid before Parliament, if it +did not obtain advantages, of which they have no hope, would furnish +materials to overthrow them. A new administration is talked of, under +Lord Temple. The West India commerce is now the object, that interests +us the most nearly. At dinner with the Duc de la Vauguyon, on Saturday +last, he told me, that he believed the commerce between the French +West India Islands and the United States, would be confined to ships +built in France, and navigated by French seamen. + +"So then, M. le Duc," said I, laughing, "you have adopted the ideas of +the British navigation act. But suppose the United States should adopt +them too, and make a law, that no commerce should be carried on with +any West India Islands, French, English, Spanish, Dutch, or Danish, +but in ships built in America, and navigated with American seamen? We +can import sugar from Europe. But give me leave to tell you, that this +trade can never be carried on without a great number of seamen, which +the French vessels being all large require, and your navigators are +too slow. The trade itself was only profitable to us as a system, and +little vessels, with a few hands, run away at any season of the year, +from any creek or river, with a multitude of little articles, +collected in haste. Your merchants and mariners have neither the +patience to content themselves with much and long labor, and dangerous +voyages for small profits, nor have they the economy, nor can they +navigate vessels with so few hands." "Aye, but we think," said the +Duke, "if we do not try, we shall never learn to do these things as +well and as cheap as you." The Duke told me, some days before, that he +had had a great deal of conversation with the Count de Vergennes, and +he found he had a great many good ideas of commerce. The Count +himself told me a few weeks ago, "in our regulations of the commerce +between our Islands and you, we must have regard to our shipping, and +our nurseries of seamen for our marine; for," said he, smiling +politely enough, "without a marine, we cannot go to your succor." + +In short, France begins to grow, for a moment, avaricious of +navigation and seamen. But it is certain, that neither the form of +government, nor the national character, can possibly admit of great +success in it. Navigation is so dangerous a business, and requires so +much patience, and produces so little profit among nations who +understand it best, and have the best advantages for it, where +property is most secure, lawsuits soonest and cheapest ended, (and by +fixed certain laws,) that the French can never interfere much with the +Dutch, or Americans, in ship building or carrying trade. If any French +merchants ever begin to carry on this commerce, between America and +the Islands, they will break to pieces very soon, and then some new +plan must be adopted. The English, for aught I know, will make a +similar law, that the communications between us and their Islands +shall be carried on in British built ships, or ships built in Canada +or Nova Scotia, and navigated by British seamen. In this case, we must +try what we can do with the Dutch and Danes. But the French and +English will endeavor to persuade them to the same policy, for the Duc +de la Vauguyon told me, that he thought it a common tie (_lien +commun_.) In this they will not succeed, and we must make the most we +can of the Dutch friendship, for luckily, the merchants and Regency of +Amsterdam had too much wit to exclude us from their Islands by the +treaty. Happily, Congress will have a Dutch Minister, with whom they +may consult upon this matter, as well as any others, but I should +think it would not be convenient to invite an English or French +Minister to be present at the consultation. + +I am at a loss, Sir, to guess what propositions made to us Congress +have been informed of, which they had not learned from us. None have +been made to us. The Dutch Ambassadors did once propose a meeting to +us, and had it at my house. Dr Franklin came, but Mr Jay did not, and +Mr Laurens was absent. The Ambassadors desired to know, whether we had +power to enter into any engagements, provided France, Spain, and +Holland, should agree to any, in support of the armed neutrality. We +showed them the resolution of Congress, of the 5th of October, 1780, +and told them, that Mr Dana had been since vested with a particular +commission to the same effect. We never heard anything further about +it. + +Not seeing, at the time, any probability that anything would come of +this, nor intending to do anything of any consequence in it, if we +should hear further of it, without the further orders of Congress, we +did not think it necessary to write anything about it, at least, till +it should put on a more serious appearance. If the Count de Mercy's +dinner, to which we are to be invited, with the Count de Vergennes, +should produce any insinuations on this subject, (which I do not, +however, expect) we shall inform you, and request the orders of +Congress. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 9th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Since the dangerous fever I had in Amsterdam, two years ago, I have +never enjoyed my health. Through the whole of the last winter and +spring, I have suffered under weaknesses and pains, which have +scarcely permitted me to do business. The excessive heats of the last +week or two have brought on me a fever again, which exhausts me in +such a manner, as to be very discouraging, and incapacitates one for +everything. In short, nothing but a return to America will ever +restore my health, if even that should do it. + +In these circumstances, however, we have negotiations to go through, +and your despatches to answer. The liberal sentiments in England +respecting the trade are all lost for the present, and we can get no +answer to anything. It is the same thing with the Dutch. One of the +Dutch Ambassadors told me yesterday at Versailles, that now, for five +weeks, the English had never said one word to them, nor given them any +answer. These things indicate, that the Ministry do not think +themselves permanent. + +The Count de Vergennes asked Dr Franklin and me, yesterday, if we had +made our visits. We answered, that we had, and that they had been +promptly returned. "The thing in agitation," says the Count, "is for +you to determine whether your definitive treaty shall be signed under +the mediation of the two Imperial Courts, or not. Ours and the Spanish +treaty with England are to be so finished, and if you determine in +favor of it, you have only to write a letter to the Ministers of the +Imperial Courts, who are here." I told him, in the present case, I +did not know what a mediation meant. He smiled, but did not seem to +know any better than I; at least, he did not explain it. We told him +we would determine upon it soon. + +How we shall determine, I cannot say. For my own part, I see no harm +in accepting the mediation, nor any other good, than a compliment to +the two empires. In Europe it may be thought an honor to us, and, +therefore, I shall give my voice, as at present informed, in favor of +it, as it seems rather to be the inclination of the Count de Vergennes +that we should. + +Your late despatches, Sir, are not well adapted to give spirits to a +melancholy man, or to cure one sick with a fever. It is not possible +for me, at present, to enter into a long detail in answer to them. You +will be answered, I suppose, by all the gentlemen jointly. In the +meantime, I beg leave to say to you a few words upon two points. + +1st. The separate article never appeared to me of any consequence to +conceal from this Court. It was an agreement we had a right to make; +it contained no injury to France or Spain. Indeed, I know not what +France has, or ever had, to do with it. If it had been communicated to +this Court, it would probably have been communicated to Spain, and she +might have thought more about it than it was worth. But how you could +conceive it possible for us to treat at all with the English, upon +supposition, that we had communicated every, the minutest thing, to +this Court, when this Court were neither obliged, nor thought proper, +to communicate anything whatever to us, I know not. We were bound by +treaty no more than they to communicate. The instructions were found +to be absolutely impracticable. That they were too suddenly +published, is very true. + +2dly. A communication of the treaty to this Court, after it was agreed +upon, and before it was signed, would have infallibly prevented the +whole peace. In the first place, it was very doubtful, or rather, on +the contrary, it is certain, the English Minister never would have +consented that we should have communicated it. We might, it is true, +have done it without his consent or knowledge; but what would have +been the consequence? The French Minister would have said, the terms +were very good for us, but we must not sign till they signed; and this +would have been the continuance of the war for another year, at least. +It was not so much from an apprehension, that the French would have +exerted themselves to get away from us terms that were agreed on, that +they were withheld. It was then too late, and we have reasons to +apprehend, that all of this kind had been done, which could be done. +We knew they were often insinuating to the British Ministers things +against us, respecting the fisheries, tories, &c. during the +negotiation, and Mr Fitzherbert told me, that the Count de Vergennes +had "fifty times reproached him for ceding the fisheries, and said it +was ruining the English and French commerce both." It was not +suspicion, it was certain knowledge, that they were against us on the +points of the tories, fisheries, Mississippi, and the western country. + +All this knowledge, however, did not influence us to conceal the +treaty. We did not, in fact, conceal it. Dr Franklin communicated the +substance of it to the Count and M. de Rayneval. So did I. In a long +conversation with the Count and M. de Rayneval together, I told them +the substance of what was agreed upon, and what we further insisted +on, and the English then disputed. But the signing before them is the +point. This we could not have done, if we had shown the treaty, and +told them we were ready. The Count would certainly have said to us, +you must not sign till we sign. To have signed after this would have +been more disagreeable to him, and to us too. Yet we must have signed +or lost the peace. The peace depended on a day. + +Parliament had been waiting long, and once prorogued. The Minister was +so pressed, he could not have met Parliament and kept his place, +without an agreement upon terms, at least, with America. If we had not +signed, the Ministry would have been changed, and the coalition come +in, and the whole world knows the coalition would not have made peace +upon the present terms, and, consequently, not at all this year. The +iron was struck in the few critical moments when it was of a proper +heat, and has been moulded into a handsome vessel. If it had been +suffered to cool, it would have flown in pieces like glass. Our +countrymen have great reason to rejoice, that they have obtained so +good a peace, when, and as they did. With the present threatening +appearances of a northern war, which will draw in France, if our peace +was still to be made we might find cause to tremble for many great +advantages, that are now secured. I believe the Count himself, if he +were now to speak his real sentiments, would say, he is very glad we +signed when we did, and that without asking his consent. + +The Duc de la Vauguyon told me and M. Brantzen together, last +Saturday, "if you had not signed when you did, we should not have +signed when we did." If they had not signed when they did, d'Estaing +would have sailed from Cadiz, and in that case nobody would have +signed to this day. It is not possible for men to be in more +disagreeable circumstances than we were. We are none of us men of +principles or dispositions to take pleasure in going against your +sentiments, Sir, much less those of Congress. But in this case, if we +had not done it, our country would have lost advantages beyond +computation. + +On Monday, Sir, we pursued our visits, and today we finish. Yesterday +at Court all the foreign Ministers behaved to us without reserve, as +members of the _Corps Diplomatique_, so that we shall no longer see +those lowering countenances, solemn looks, distant bows, and other +peculiarities, which have been sometimes diverting, and sometimes +provoking, for so many years. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +In the present violent heat of the weather, and feverish state of my +health, I cannot pretend to sit long at my pen, and must pray you to +accept of a few short hints only. + +To talk in a general style of confidence in the French Court, &c. is +to use a general language, which may mean almost anything, or almost +nothing. To a certain degree, and as far as the treaties and +engagements extend, I have as much confidence in the French Court as +Congress has, or even as you, Sir, appear to have. But if, by +confidence in the French Court is meant an opinion, that the French +Office of Foreign Affairs would be advocates with the English for our +rights to the fisheries, or to the Mississippi river, or our Western +Territory, or advocates to persuade the British Ministers to give up +the cause of the refugees, and make Parliamentary provision for them, +I own I have no such confidence, and never had. Seeing and hearing +what I have seen and heard, I must have been an idiot to have +entertained such confidence, I should be more of a Machiavelian, or a +Jesuit, than I ever was, or will be, to counterfeit it to you, or to +Congress. + +M. Marbois' letter is to me full proof of the principles of the Count +de Vergennes. Why? Because I know, (for it was personally communicated +to me upon my passage home, by M. Marbois himself,) the intimacy and +confidence there is between these two. And I know further, that letter +contains sentiments concerning the fisheries, diametrically opposite +to those, which Marbois repeatedly expressed to me upon the passage, +viz. "That the Newfoundland fishery was our right, and we ought to +maintain it." From whence I conclude, M. Marbois' sentiments have been +changed by the instructions of the Minister. To what purpose is it +where this letter came from? Is it less genuine, whether it came from +Philadelphia, Versailles, or London? What if it came through English +hands? Is there less weight, less evidence in it for that? Are the +sentiments more just, or more friendly to us for that? + +M. de Rayneval's correspondence too with Mr Jay. M. de Rayneval is a +_Chef de Bureau_. But we must be very ignorant of all Courts not to +know that an Under Secretary of State dares not carry on such a +correspondence without the knowledge, consent, and orders of the +principal. + +There is another point now in agitation, in which the French will +never give us one good word. On the contrary, they will say everything +they can think of to persuade the English to deprive us of the trade +of their West India Islands. They have already, with their emissaries, +been the chief cause of the change of sentiment in London on this head +against us. In general they see with pain every appearance of +returning real and cordial friendship, such as may be permanent +between us and Great Britain. On the contrary, they see with pleasure +every seed of contention between us. The tories are an excellent +engine of mischief between us, and are, therefore, very precious. + +Exclusion from the West India Islands will be another. I hold it to be +the indispensable duty of my station, not to conceal from Congress +these truths. Do not let us be dupes, under the idea of being +grateful. Innumerable anecdotes happen daily to show, that these +sentiments are general. In conversation, a few weeks ago, with the Duc +de la Vauguyon, upon the subject of the West India trade, I endeavored +to convince him, that France and England both ought to admit us freely +to their islands. He entered into a long argument to prove, that both +ought to exclude us. At last, I said, the English were a parcel of +sots to exclude us, for the consequence would be, that in fifteen or +twenty years we should have another war with them. _Tant mieux! tant +mieux! je vous en felicite_," cried the Duke, with great pleasure. +"_Tant mieux pour nous_," said I, because we shall conquer from the +English in that case all their islands, the inhabitants of which would +now declare for us, if they dared. But it will not be the better for +the English. They will be the dupes, if they lay a foundation for it. +"Yes," said the Duke, "I believe you will have another war with the +English." And in this wish he expressed the vows of every Frenchman +upon the face of the earth. If, therefore, we have it in contemplation +to avoid a future war with the English, do not let us have too much +confidence in the French, that they will favor us in this view.[6] + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[6] See a letter from Dr Franklin, containing remarks on Mr Adams's +opinions of the policy and designs of the French Court, dated July the +22d, 1783. _Franklin's Correspondence_, Vol. IV. p. 138. Also a letter +from Mr Laurens, Vol. II. p. 486. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, July 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon the receipt of the despatches by Barney, I sent off your letters +for Messrs Willinks & Co. and I received last night an answer to the +letter I wrote them upon the occasion. They have engaged to remit Mr +Grand a million and a half of livres in a month, which has relieved Mr +Grand from his anxiety. + +This Court has refused to Dr Franklin any more money. They are +apprehensive of being obliged to take a part in the northern war, and +their own financiers have not enough of the confidence of the public +to obtain money for their own purposes. + +Your design of sending cargoes of tobacco and other things to +Amsterdam, to Messrs Willinks & Co. is the best possible to support +our credit there. The more you send, the more money will be obtained. +Send a Minister too; residing there, he may promote it much. It is a +misfortune, that I have not been able to be there, but this post +cannot be deserted. Instruct your Minister to inquire whether the +House of Hope could be persuaded to engage with Willinks in a new +loan. This should be done with secrecy and discretion. If that House +would undertake it, you would find money enough for your purpose, for +I rely upon it, the States will adopt a plan immediately for the +effectual payment of interest. This is indispensable. The foundation +of a happy government can only be laid in justice; and as soon as the +public shall see, that provision is made for this, you will no longer +want money. + +It is a maxim among merchants and monied men, that "every man has +credit who does not want it." It is equally true of States. We shall +want it but little longer, if the States make provision for the +payment of interest, and therefore we shall have enough of it. There +is not a country in the world whose credit ought to be so good, +because there is none equally able to pay. + +Enclosed is a pamphlet of Dr Price's, for your comfort. You will see +by it, that the only nation we have reason to fear wants credit so +much, that she is not likely to have it always, and this is our +security. By some hints from Mr Hartley, he will probably return to +London, and not be here again. The present Ministry is so undecided +and feeble, that it is at least doubtful whether they will make the +definitive treaty of peace. + +With great respect, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, July 11th, 1783. + + Sir, + +In my letter to you of yesterday, I hinted in confidence, at an +application to the house of Hope. This is a very delicate measure. I +was induced to think of it merely by a conversation which M. Van +Berckel, (who will soon be with you, as he sailed the 26th of June +from the Texel,) had with M. Dumas. It would be better to be steady to +the three Houses already employed, if that is possible. You will now +be able to converse freely with that Minister upon the subject. I +should not advise you to take any decisive resolution at Philadelphia, +but leave it to your Minister to act as shall appear to him best upon +the spot. The Houses now employed are well esteemed, and I hope will +do very well. But no House in the Republic has the force of that of +Hope. + +All depends, however, upon the measures to be taken by Congress and +the States for ascertaining their debts, and a regular discharge of +the interest. The ability of the people to make such an establishment +cannot be doubted; and the inclination of no man who has a proper +sense of public honor can be called in question. The Thirteen States, +in relation to the discharge of the debts of Congress, must consider +themselves as one body animated by one soul. The stability of our +confederation at home, our reputation abroad, our power of defence, +the confidence and affection of the people of one State towards those +of another, all depend upon it. Without a sacred regard to public +justice no society can exist; it is the only tie which can unite men's +minds and hearts in pursuit of the common interest. + +The commerce of the world is now open to us, and our exports and +imports are of so large amount, and our connexions will be so large +and extensive, that the least stain upon our character in this respect +will lose us in a very short time advantages of greater pecuniary +value than all our debt amounts to. The moral character of our people +is of infinitely greater worth than all the sums in question. Every +hesitation, every uncertainty about paying or receiving a just debt, +diminishes that sense of moral obligation of public justice, which +ought to be kept pure, and carefully cultivated in every American +mind. Creditors at home and abroad, the army, the navy, every man who +has a well founded claim upon the public, have an unalienable right to +be satisfied, and this by the fundamental principles of society. Can +there ever be content and satisfaction? Can there ever be peace and +order? Can there ever be industry or decency without it? To talk of a +sponge to wipe out this debt, or of reducing or diminishing it below +its real value, in a country so abundantly able to pay the last +farthing, would betray a total ignorance of the first principles of +national duty and interest. + +Let us leave these odious speculations to countries that can plead a +necessity for them, and where corruption has arrived at its last +stages; where infamy is scarcely felt, and wrong may as well assume +one shape as another, since it must prevail in some. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 11th, 1783. + + Sir, + +As there are certain particulars, in which it has appeared to me, that +the friendship of a French Minister has been problematical, at least, +or rather, not to exist at all, I have freely mentioned them to +Congress; because I hold it to be the first duty of a public Minister, +in my situation, to conceal no important truth of this kind from his +masters. + +But ingratitude is an odious vice, and ought to be held in detestation +by every American citizen. We ought to distinguish, therefore, between +those points, for which we are not obliged to our allies, from those +in which we are. + +I think, then, we are under no particular obligations of gratitude to +them for the fisheries, the boundaries, exemption from the tories, or +for the progress of our negotiations in Europe. + +We are under obligations of gratitude, for making the treaty with us +when they did; for those sums of money, which they have generously +given us, and for those, even, which they have lent us, which I hope +we shall punctually pay, and be thankful still for the loan; for the +fleet and army they sent to America, and for all the important +services they did. By other mutual exertions, a dangerous rival to +them, and I may be almost warranted in saying, an imperious master, +both to them and us, has been brought to reason, and put out of the +power to do harm to either. In this respect, however, our allies are +more secure than we. The House of Bourbon has acquired a great +accession of strength, while their hereditary enemy has been weakened +one half, and incurably crippled. + +The French are, besides, a good natured and humane nation, very +respectable in arts, letters, arms, and commerce, and, therefore, +motives of interest, honor, and convenience, join themselves to those +of friendship and gratitude, to induce us to wish for the continuance +of their friendship and alliance. The Provinces of Canada and Nova +Scotia in the hands of the English are a constant warning to us to +have a care of ourselves, and, therefore, a continuance of the +friendship and alliance of France is of importance to our +tranquillity, and even to our safety. There is nothing, which will +have a greater effect to overawe the English, and induce them to +respect us and our rights, than the reputation of a good understanding +with the French. My voice and advice will, therefore, always be for +discharging, with the utmost fidelity, gratitude, and exactness, every +obligation we are under to France, and for cultivating her friendship +and alliance by all sorts of good offices. But I am sure, that to do +this effectually, we must reason with them at times, enter into +particulars, and be sure that we understand one another. We must act a +manly, honest, independent, as well as a sensible part. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 12th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Reports have been spread, that the Regency of Algiers has been +employed in fitting out ships to cruise for American vessels. There +are reports too, that Spain has an armament prepared to attack their +town. How much truth there may be in either, I cannot pretend to say. + +Whether Congress will take any measures for treating with these +piratical States, must be submitted to them. The custom of these +Courts, as well as those of Asia and Africa, is to receive presents +with Ambassadors. The Grand Pensionary of Holland told me, that the +Republic paid annually to the Regency of Algiers a hundred thousand +dollars. I hope a less sum would serve for us; but in the present +state of our finances, it would be difficult to make any payment. Mr +Montgomery, of Alicant, has ventured to write a letter to the Emperor +of Morocco, in consequence of which, his Majesty was pleased to give +orders to all his vessels to treat American vessels with all +friendship. Mr Montgomery ventured too far, however, in writing in the +name of the United States, and what will be the consequences of the +deception I know not. + +Dr Franklin lately mentioned to Mr Jay and me, that he was employed in +preparing, with the Portuguese Ambassador, a treaty between the United +States and Portugal. The next Ambassador's day at Versailles, I asked +him if we could be admitted to the Brazils? He said, no, they admitted +no nation to the Brazils. I asked, if we were admitted to the Western +Islands? He said he thought Madeira was mentioned. I told him, I +thought it would be of much importance to us to secure an admission to +all the Azores, and to have these Islands, or some of them, made a +depot for the sugars, coffee, cotton, and cocoa, &c. of the Brazils. +He liked this idea, and went immediately, and spoke to the Ambassador +upon it. He said, the Ambassador had told him, that they could furnish +us with these articles at Lisbon, fifteen per cent cheaper than the +English could from their West India Islands. + +This treaty, I suppose, will be submitted to Congress before it is +signed, and I hope Congress will give a close attention to it, in +order to procure an exemption from as many duties as possible, and as +much freedom and security of trade in all their ports of Europe and +the Western Islands as possible. If any particular stipulations should +be necessary, concerning the free admission of all the articles of our +produce, as rice, wheat, flour, salt-fish, or any other, the members +of Congress may readily suggest them. + +I could wish that the Court of Lisbon had sent a Minister to +Philadelphia to negotiate a treaty there. I wish that advantages may +not be lost by this method of preparing treaties here, by Ministers +who have made no particular study of the objects of them.[7] Benefits +on both sides may escape attention in this way. A good treaty with +Portugal is of so much consequence to us, that I should not wonder if +Congress should think it necessary to send a Minister to Lisbon to +complete it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[7] See the draft of a Treaty with Portugal, in _Franklin's +Correspondence_, Vol. IV. p. 150. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday Colonel Ogden arrived with the originals of what we had +before received in duplicates by Captain Barney. The ratification of +the Dutch treaty had been before received and exchanged. The +ratification of their High Mightinesses is in the safe custody of M. +Dumas, at present at the Hague. + +I believe we shall accept of the mediation of the two Imperial Courts +at the definitive treaty, as it is a mere formality, a mere +compliment, consisting wholly in the Imperial Ministers putting their +names and seals to the parchment, and can have no ill effect. The +inclination of the Count de Vergennes seems to be, that we should +accept it, and as he calls upon us to decide in the affirmative or +negative, I believe we shall give an answer in the affirmative. + +The Empress has promised to receive Mr Dana, as soon as the definitive +treaty shall be signed, and he has prepared a treaty of commerce, +which will be valuable if he can obtain it. + +The Emperor of Germany has caused to be intimated several ways, his +inclination to have a treaty of commerce with us; but his rank is so +high, that his House never makes the first formal advance. I should +think it advisable, that we should have a treaty with that power for +several reasons. + +1st. Because, as Emperor of Germany, and King of Bohemia and Hungary, +he is at the head of one of the greatest interests and most powerful +connexions in Europe. It is true it is the greatest weight in the +scale, which is, and has been, from age to age, opposite to the House +of Bourbon. But for this very reason, if there were no other, the +United States ought to have a treaty of commerce with it, in order to +be in practice with their theory, and to show to all the world, that +their system of commerce embraces, equally and impartially, all the +commercial States and countries of Europe. + +2dly. Because the present Emperor is one of the greatest men of this +age. The wisdom and virtue of the man, as well as of the monarch; his +personal activity, intelligence, and accomplishments; his large and +liberal principles in matters of religion, government, and commerce, +are so much of kin to those of our States, (perhaps indeed so much +borrowed from them, and adopted in imitation of them,) that it seems +peculiarly proper we should show this respect to them. + +3dly. Because, that if England should ever forget herself again so +much as to attack us, she may not be so likely to obtain the alliance +or assistance of this Power against us. A friendship once established +in a treaty of commerce, this power would never be likely to violate, +because she has no dominions near us, and could have no interest to +quarrel with us. + +4thly. Because the countries belonging to this power upon the Adriatic +sea, and in the Austrian Flanders, are no inconsiderable sources of +commerce for America. And if the present negotiations between the two +Imperial Courts and the Porte shall terminate in a free navigation of +the Danube, the Black sea, and the Archipelago, the Emperor's +hereditary dominions will become very respectable commercial +countries. + +5thly. Because, although we have at present a pleasant and joyful +prospect of friendship and uninterrupted alliance with the House of +Bourbon, which I wish may never be obscured, yet this friendship and +alliance will be the more likely to continue unimpaired, for our +having the friendship and commerce of the House of Austria. And (as in +the vicissitudes of human affairs all things are possible) if in +future times, however unlikely at present, the House of Bourbon +should deal unjustly by us, demand of us things we are not bound to +perform, or any way injure us we may find in the alliance, of Austria, +England, and Holland a resource against the storm. Supernumerary +strings to our bow, and provisions against possible inconveniences, +however improbable, can do us no harm. + +If we were not straitened for money, I should advise Congress to send +a Minister to Vienna. But as every Mission abroad is a costly article, +and we find it difficult, at present, to procure money for the most +necessary purposes, I should think it proper for Congress to send a +commission to their Minister at Versailles, London, Madrid, +Petersburg, or the Hague, who might communicate it to the Court of +Vienna, by means of the Imperial Ambassador. The Emperor in such a +case would authorize his Ambassador at that Court to prepare and +conclude a treaty, and in this way the business may be well done, +without any additional expense. + +M. Favi, _Chargé d'Affaires_ of the Grand Duke of Tuscany, the +Emperor's brother, has called upon me so often to converse with me +upon this subject, that I doubt not he has been employed, or at least +knows that it would be agreeable to his Court and their connexions, +although he has never made any official insinuations about it. This +gentleman has been employed by the Republic of Ragusa to consult +American Ministers upon the subject of commerce too. I have told him, +that the American ports were open to the Ragusan Vessels, as well as +to all others, and have given him the address, by which they propose +to write to Congress. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +A jealousy of American ships, seamen, carrying-trade, and naval power, +appears every day more and more conspicuous. This jealousy, which has +been all along discovered by the French Minister, is at length +communicated to the English. The following proclamation, which will +not increase British ships and seamen in any proportion as it will +diminish those of the United States, will contribute effectually to +make America afraid of England, and attach herself more closely to +France. The English are the dupes, and must take the consequences. + +This proclamation is issued in full confidence, that the United States +have no confidence in one another; that they cannot agree to act in a +body as one nation; that they cannot agree upon any navigation act, +which may be common to the Thirteen States. Our proper remedy would be +to confine our exports to American ships, to make a law, that no +article should be exported from any of the States in British ships, +nor in the ships of any nation, which will not allow us reciprocally +to import their productions in our ships. I am much afraid there is +too good an understanding upon this subject between Versailles and St +James's. + +Perhaps it may be proper for Congress to be silent upon this head +until New York, Penobscot, &c. are evacuated. But I should think, that +Congress would never bind themselves by any treaty built upon such +principles. They should negotiate, however, without loss of time, by a +Minister in London. A few weeks' delay may have unalterable effects. + + PROCLAMATION + + _At the Court of St James, the 2d of July, 1783._ + + Present, the King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council. + + "Whereas, by an Act of Parliament, passed this session, + entitled an 'Act for preventing certain instruments from + being required from ships belonging to the United States of + America, and to give his Majesty, for a limited time, certain + powers for the better carrying on trade and commerce, between + the subjects of his Majesty's dominions, and the inhabitants + of the said United States;' it is amongst other things + enacted, that, during the continuance of the said act, 'it + shall and may be lawful for his Majesty in Council, by order + or orders to be issued and published from time to time, to + give such directions, and to make such regulations, with + respect to duties, drawbacks, or otherwise, for carrying on + the trade and commerce between the people and territories + belonging to the Crown of Great Britain, and the people and + territories of the said United States, as to his Majesty in + Council shall appear most expedient and salutary, any law, + usage, or custom to the contrary notwithstanding;' his + Majesty doth, therefore, by and with the advice of his Privy + Council, hereby order and direct, that pitch, tar, + turpentine, hemp and flax, masts, yards, and bowsprits, + staves, heading, boards, timber, shingles, and all other + species of lumber, horses, neat cattle, sheep, hogs, poultry, + and all other species of live stock, and live provisions; + peas, beans, potatoes, wheat, flour, bread, biscuit, rice, + oats, barley, and all other species of grain, being the + growth, or production of any one of the United States of + America, may, until further order, be imported by British + subjects, in British built ships, owned by his Majesty's + subjects, and navigated according to law, from any port of + the United States of America, to any of his Majesty's West + India Islands; and that rum, sugar, molasses, coffee, + cocoa-nuts, ginger, and pimento, may, until further order, be + exported by British subjects, in British built ships, owned + by his Majesty's subjects, and navigated according to law, + from any of his Majesty's West India Islands, and to any port + or place within the said United States, upon payment of the + same duties on exportation, and subject to the like rules, + regulations, securities, and restrictions, as the same + articles by law are, or may be, subject and liable to, if + exported to any British colony or plantation in America. And + the Right Honorable the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty's + Treasury, and the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, are + to give the necessary directions herein, as to them may + respectively appertain. + + STEPHEN COTTRELL." + +One of the most remarkable things in this proclamation is, the +omission of salt-fish, an article, which the islands want as much as +any that is enumerated. This is, no doubt, to encourage their own +fishery, and that of Nova Scotia, as well as a blow aimed at ours. +There was, in a former proclamation concerning the trade between the +United States and Great Britain, an omission of the articles of +_potash_ and _pearlash_. These omissions discover a _choice love_ for +New England. France, I am afraid, will exclude fish too, and imitate +this proclamation but too closely; if, indeed, this proclamation is +not an imitation of their system adopted, as I believe it is, upon +their advice and desire. + +These, however, are important efforts. Without saying, writing, or +resolving anything suddenly, let us see what remedies or equivalents +we can obtain from Holland, Portugal and Denmark. Let us bind +ourselves to nothing, but reserve a right of making navigation acts +when we please, if we find them necessary or useful. If we had been +defeated of our fisheries, we should have been wormed out of all our +carrying-trade too, and should have been a mere society of +cultivators, without any but a passive trade. The policy of France has +succeeded, and laid, in these proclamations, if persisted in, the sure +source of another war between us and Great Britain. + +The English nation is not, however, unanimous in this new system, as +Congress will see by the enclosed speculations,[8] which I know to +have been written by a confidential friend of my Lord Shelburne; I +mean Mr Benjamin Vaughan. This Minister is very strong in the House of +Lords, and Mr Pitt, in the House of Commons, has attached to him many +members in the course of this session. If that set should come in +again, we shall have a chance of making an equitable treaty of +commerce. To this end a Minister must be ready; and I hope in mercy to +our country, that such an opportunity will not be lost in delays, in +compliance to our allies. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[8] This paper is missing. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON + + Paris. July 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The United States of America have propagated far and wide in Europe +the ideas of the liberty of navigation and commerce. The powers of +Europe, however, cannot agree, as yet, in adopting them in their full +extent. Each one desires to maintain the exclusive dominion of some +particular sea, or river, and yet to enjoy the liberty of navigating +all others. Great Britain wishes to preserve the exclusive dominion of +the British seas, and, at the same time, to obtain of the Dutch a free +navigation of all the seas in the East Indies. France has contended +for the free use of the British and American seas; yet she wishes to +maintain the Turks in their exclusive dominion of the Black sea, and +of the Danube, which flows into it through some of their Provinces, +and of the communication between the Black Sea and the Archipelago, by +the Dardanelles. Russia aims at the free navigation of the Black Sea, +the Danube, and the passage by the Dardanelles, yet she contends, that +the nations, which border on the Baltic, have a right to control the +navigation of it. Denmark claims the command of the passage of the +Sound, and by the late Marine Treaty between the neutral powers, it +was agreed, that the privateers of all the belligerent powers should +be excluded from the Baltic. France and Spain too begin to talk of an +exclusive dominion of the Mediterranean, and of excluding the Russian +fleet from it; or, at least, France is said to have menaced Russia +with a fleet of observation in the Mediterranean, to protect her +commerce to the trading seaport towns of the Levant. But, as England +possesses Gibraltar, and the Emperor of Morocco the other side of the +Straits, France and Spain cannot command the entrance; so that it will +be difficult for them to support their pretensions to any exclusive +dominion of the Mediterranean, upon the principle on which the +northern powers claim that of the Baltic, and the Porte the passage of +the Dardanelles. + +France, at present, enjoys a large share of the trade to the Levant. +England has enjoyed a share too, and wishes, no doubt, to revive it. +The Emperor and the Empress, if they succeed in their views of +throwing open the Danube, Black Sea, and Archipelago, will take away +from France and England a great part of this trade; but it is not +likely that England will join with France in any opposition to the +Emperor and Empress. + +In order to judge of the object, which the two Empires have in view, +we should look a little into the geography of those countries. + +The project of setting at liberty the whole country of ancient Greece, +Macedonia, and Illyricum, and erecting independent Republics in those +famous seats, however splendid it may appear in speculation, is not +likely to be seriously entertained by the two Empires, because it is +impracticable. The Greeks of this day, although they are said to have +imagination and ingenuity, are corrupted in their morals to such a +degree, as to be a faithless, perfidious race, destitute of courage, +as well as of those principles of honor and virtue, without which +nations can have no confidence in one another, nor be trusted by +others. + +The project of conquering the Provinces of Albania, Romelia, +Wallachia, Moldavia, and Little Tartary, from the Turks, and dividing +them between the two Empires, may be more probable; but the Turks, in +Asia and Europe together, are very powerful, and, if thoroughly +awakened, might make a great resistance; so that it is most probable, +the two Imperial Courts would be content, if they could obtain by +negotiation, or by arms, the free navigation of the Danube, Black Sea, +and Archipelago. This freedom alone would produce a great revolution +in the commerce of Europe. The river Don or Tanais, with its branches, +flows through the Ukraine, and a considerable part of the Russian +dominions, into the Black Sea. The Danube flows very near Trieste, +through the Kingdom of Hungary, and then through a Turkish Province +into the Black Sea. If, therefore, the Black Sea and the Danube only +were free, a communication would be immediately opened between Russia +and Hungary quite to Trieste, to the great advantage of both Empires. +But if, at the same time, the passage of the Dardanelles was laid +open, all the Levant trade would be opened to the two Empires, and +might be carried to Trieste, either by the Danube, or through the +Archipelago and the Gulf of Venice. This would be such an accession of +wealth, commerce, and naval power to the two Empires, as France is +jealous of, and may be drawn into a war to prevent. + +It is a question how the King of Prussia will act. It is the general +opinion, that, as he is advanced in years, loves and enjoys his +laurels and his ease, and cannot hope to gain anything by the war, he +will be neuter. If he is, the issue cannot be foreseen. The Emperor is +vastly powerful, and his preparations are immense. Perhaps France may +not think it prudent to declare war. I should be sorry to see her +again involved in a war, especially against the principles she has +lately espoused with so much glory and advantage. + +For my own part, I think nature wiser than all the Courts and States +in the world, and, therefore, I wish all her seas and rivers upon the +whole globe free, and am not at all surprised at the desire of the two +Empires to set those near them at liberty. + +I think, however, that whatever turn these negotiations may take, they +cannot directly affect us, although we may be remotely interested in +the freedom of the Levant trade, and of the seas and rivers in the +neighborhood of it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 15th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Enclosed are copies of papers, which have passed between Mr Hartley +and the American Ministers. We have not thought it prudent to enter +into any written controversy with him, upon any of these papers. We +have received whatever he has offered us. But he has offered nothing +in the name of his Court, has signed nothing, and upon inquiry of him +we have found that he has never had authority to sign officially any +proposition he has made. + +I think it is evident, that his principals, the coalition, do not +intend to make any agreement with us about trade, but to try +experiments by their proclamations. I think, too, that they mean to +postpone the definitive treaty as long as possible. We can get no +answer, and I believe Mr Hartley gets no decisive answers to anything. + +Enclosed also is a pamphlet, entitled, "Observations on the American +States," said to have been published by Lord Sheffield, and to have +been composed by four American renegadoes. The spirit of it needs no +comments. It deserves to be attended to, however, by Congress. It is a +fatal policy, as it appears to me, to see a British Ambassador at +Versailles, and a French Ambassador at St James's, and no American +Minister at the latter. This is admired at Versailles, I doubt not, +but not because they think it for our interest. + +I have the honor to be, with great respect, Sir, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 16th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday we waited on the Count de Vergennes at Versailles, and +showed him the project of a letter to the Ministers of the two +Imperial Courts, which he read and approved. We told him, that we were +at a loss what might be the effect of the mediation; possibly we might +be involved in difficulties by it; possibly the British Ministers +might persuade the mediators to offer us their advice upon some +points, respecting the royalists for example, which we could not +comply with. The Count said, that he had told them, that as soon as he +had fully agreed with England upon all points, their mediation should +be accepted, and they should sign the treaty as such; and we might +agree to it in the same manner. He said we were not obliged to this, +but as they were to be present and sign one treaty, it would look +better to sign both. It would be a very notorious, public, and +respectable acknowledgment of us, as a power, by those Courts. Upon +this footing we left the letter with him to be shown to the Imperial +Ministers. + +We asked the Count if he had seen the British proclamation of the 2d +of July. He answered, that he had. I asked him if the King had +determined anything on the subject of salt provisions, and salt-fish, +whether we might import them into his islands. He said we might depend +upon it, they could not supply their islands with fish, that we had +two free ports in their islands, St Lucia, and a port in Martinique. +By the thirtysecond article of the Treaty of Commerce, these free +ports are secured to us; nothing, he said, was determined concerning +salt beef and pork, but the greatest difficulty would be about flour. +I told the Count, that I did not think it would be possible either for +France or England to carry on this commerce between the islands and +continent; it was profitable to us only as it was a part of a system; +that it could not be carried on without loss in large vessels, +navigated by many seamen, which could sail only at certain seasons of +the year, &c. Upon the whole, I was much pleased with this +conversation, and conclude from it, that we shall do very well in the +French West India Islands, perhaps the better in them the worse we are +treated by the English. + +The Dutch and Danes will, I doubt not, avail themselves of every +error, that may be committed by France or England. It is good to have +a variety of strings to our bow; and, therefore, I wish we had a +Treaty of Commerce with Denmark, by which a free admission of our +ships into their ports in the West Indies might be established. By +means of the Dutch, Danes, and Portuguese, I think we shall be able to +obtain finally proper terms of France and England. + +The British proclamation of the 2d of this month, is the result of +refugee politics; it is intended to encourage Canada and Nova Scotia, +and their fisheries, to support still the ruins of their navigation +act, and to take from us the carriage even of our own productions. A +system, which has in it so little respect for us, and is so obviously +calculated to give a blow to our nurseries of ships and seamen, could +never have been adopted but from the opinion, that we had no common +legislature for the government of commerce. + +All America from the Chesapeake Bay to St Croix I know love ships and +sailors, and those ports to the southward of that bay have advantages +for obtaining them when they will, and therefore I hope the Thirteen +States will unite in some measures to counteract this policy of +Britain, so evidently selfish, unsocial, and I had almost said +hostile. The question is, what is to be done? I answer, perhaps it +will be most prudent to say little about it at present, and until the +definitive treaty is signed, and the States evacuated. But after that, +I think in the negotiation of a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, +Congress should tell them, that they have the means of doing justice +to themselves. What are these means? I answer, let every State in the +Union lay on a duty of five per cent on all West India articles +imported in British ships, and upon all their own productions exported +in British ships. Let this impost be limited in duration, until Great +Britain shall allow our vessels to trade to their West Indies. This +would effectually defeat their plan, and encourage our own carrying +trade more than they can discourage it. + +Another way of influencing England to a reasonable conduct, is to +take some measures for encouraging the growth in the United States, +of West India articles; another is to encourage manufactures, +especially of wool and iron among ourselves. As tilt-hammers are now +not unlawful, and wool may be water-borne, much more may be done now +than could have been done before the war. But the most certain method +is, to lay duties on exports and imports by British ships. The sense +of a common interest and common danger, it is to be hoped, will induce +a perfect unanimity among the States in this respect. There are other +ways of serving ourselves, and making impressions upon the English to +bring them to reason. One is to send ships immediately to China. This +trade is as open to us as to any nation, and if our natural advantages +at home are envied us, we should compensate ourselves in any honest +way we can. + +Our natural share in the West India trade, is all that is now wanting +to complete the plan of happiness and prosperity of our country. +Deprived of it, we shall be straitened and shackled in some degree. We +cannot enjoy a free use of all our limits without this; with it, I see +nothing to desire, nothing to vex or chagrin our people, nothing to +interrupt our repose or keep up a dread of war. + +I know not what permission may be expected from Spain to trade to the +Havana, but should think that this resource ought not to be neglected. + +I confess I do not like the complexion of British politics. They are +mysterious and unintelligible. Mr Hartley appears not to be in the +secret of his Court. The things which happen appear as unexpected to +him as to us. Political jealousies and speculations are endless. It is +possible the British Ministers may be secretly employed, in fomenting +the quarrel between the two Imperial Courts and the Porte, and in +secretly stirring up the French to join the Turks in the war. The +prospect of seeing France engaged in a war may embolden them to adopt +a system less favorable to us. The possibility of these things should +stimulate us, I think, to form as soon as possible treaties of +commerce with the principal powers, especially the Imperial Courts, +that all our questions may be decided. This will be a great advantage +to us, even if we should afterwards be involved in a war. I put this +supposition with great reluctance. But if England should in the course +of a few years or months have the art to stir up a general war in +Europe, and get France and Spain seriously involved in it, which is at +least a possible case, she may assume a tone and conduct towards us, +which will make it very difficult for us to avoid taking a part in it. +If such a deplorable circumstance should take place, it will be still +a great advantage to us, to have our sovereignty explicitly +acknowledged by these powers, against whom we may be unfortunately +obliged to act. At present they are all disposed to it, and seem +desirous of forming connexions with us, that we may be out of the +question. + +The politics of Europe are such a labyrinth of profound mysteries, +that the more one sees of them, the more causes of uncertainty and +anxiety he discovers. + +The United States will have occasion to brace up their confederation, +and act as one body with one spirit. If they do not, it is now very +obvious, that Great Britain will take advantage of it in such a manner +as will endanger our peace, our safety, and even our very existence. + +A change of Ministry may, but it is not certain that it will, give us +better prospects. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 17th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Last evening Mr Hartley spent two hours with me, and appeared much +chagrined at the proclamation, which had never been communicated to +him by his principals. He has too much contempt of the commercial +abilities of the French, and, consequently said, that the French could +derive but little benefit from this step of his Court, but he thought +the Dutch would make a great advantage of it. I endeavored to discover +from him, whether he suspected that his Court had any hand in stirring +up the two Imperial Courts to make war upon the Turks. I asked him +what was the state of their Mediterranean trade, and Levant trade. He +said, it was dead, and that their Turkey Company was dead, and, +therefore, he did not think his Court cared much about either, or +would ever do anything to prevent the Empires. He thought it possible, +that they might rather encourage them. + +I am quite of Mr Hartley's mind, that the Dutch will profit by all the +English blunders in regulating the West India trade, and am happy that +M. Van Berckel will be soon with Congress, when its members and +Ministers may communicate through him anything they wish to their High +Mightinesses. They may inquire of him what are the rights of the East +and West India Companies? To what an extent our vessels may be +admitted to Surinam, Curaçoa, Demerara, Essequibo, Berbice, St +Eustatia? What we may be allowed to carry there? and what bring from +thence to the United States, or to Europe? Whether we may carry +sugars, &c. to Amsterdam, Rotterdam, &c.? There are at Rotterdam and +Amsterdam one hundred and twentyseven or eight refineries of sugar. +How far these may be affected, &c.? + +I lay it down for a rule, that the nation which shall allow us the +most perfect liberty to trade with her Colonies, whether it be France, +England, Spain, or Holland, will see her Colonies flourish above all +others, and will draw proportionally our trade to themselves; and I +rely upon it, the Dutch will have sagacity to see it, and as they are +more attentive to mercantile profit, than to a military marine, I have +great hopes from their friendship. As there will be an interval before +the signature of the definitive treaty, I propose a journey of three +weeks, to Amsterdam and the Hague, in hopes of learning in more detail +the intentions of the Dutch in this respect. I am in hopes too of +encouraging the loan to assist our Superintendent of Finance. The +Dutch may be a great resource to us in finance and commerce. I wish +that cargoes of produce may be hastened to Amsterdam to Messrs +Willinks & Co. for this will give vigor to the loan, and all the money +we can prevent England and the two Empires from obtaining in Holland, +will not only be nerves for us, but, perhaps, be useful too to France +in her negotiations. + +I have spent the whole forenoon in conversation with the Duc de la +Vauguyon. He thinks that England wishes to revive her trade to the +Levant, to Smyrna, Aleppo, &c. and her carrying trade in Italy; and +although she might be pleased to see France involved in a war with the +Emperor and Empress, yet he thinks her funds are not in a condition to +afford subsidies to either, and, therefore, that she will be perfectly +neutral. Quere, however, whether if by a subsidy or a loan of a +million or two a year, she could make France spend eight or ten +millions, she would not strive hard to do it? The Duke thinks, that +France will proceed softly, and endeavor, if possible, to avert the +furious storm that threatens, and to compose the disputes of the three +Empires, if possible; but she will never suffer such a usurpation as +the conquest of the Turkish Provinces in Europe. France will certainly +defend Constantinople. He thinks that the Empress of Russia has not +revenues, and cannot get cash to march and subsist vast armies, and to +transport great fleets, and that the Emperor has not revenues to +support a long war. + +This is, however, a serious business, and France lays it so much to +heart, and looks upon the chance of her being obliged to arm, as so +probable, that I presume this to be the principal motive of her +refusal to lend us two or three millions of livres more. + +As to our West India questions, the Duke assures me, that the French +Ministry, particularly the Count de Vergennes, are determined to do +everything they can consistent with their own essential interests, to +favor and promote the friendship and commerce between their country +and ours. That they, especially the Count, are declared enemies of the +French fiscal system, which is certainly the most ruinous to their +commerce, and intend to do everything they can to make alterations to +favor commerce; but no change can be made in this, without affecting +their revenues, and making voids, failures, and deficiencies, which +they cannot fill up. They must, therefore, proceed softly. That France +would favor the commerce between Portugal and America, because it +would tend to draw off that kingdom from her dependence on England. +That England, by her commercial treaty with the Portuguese, in 1703, +has turned them into an English Colony, made them entirely dependent, +and secured a commerce with them of three millions value. France would +be glad to see this, or as much of it as possible, turned to America. + +The Duke agrees fully with me in the maxim, that those Colonies will +grow the most in wealth, improvement, population, and every sort of +prosperity, which are allowed the freest communication with us, and +that we shall be allowed to carry lumber, fish, and live stock, to +their islands, but that the export of their sugars to us, he thinks, +must be in their own ships, because they are afraid of our becoming +the carriers of all their commerce, because they know and say, that we +can do it cheaper than they can. These sentiments are different from +those, which he mentioned to me a few days ago, when he said, the West +India trade with us must be carried on in French bottoms. + +The Duke said, the English had been trying to deceive us, but were now +developing their true sentiments. They pretended, for awhile, to +abolish the navigation act and all distinctions, to make one people +with us again, to be friends, brothers, &c. in hopes of drawing us off +from France, but not finding success, they were now showing their true +plan. As to the pretended system of Shelburne, of a universal free +commerce, although he thought it would be for the good of mankind in +general, yet, for an English Minister, it was the plan of a madman, +for it would be the ruin of that nation. He did not think Shelburne +was sincere in it; he only meant an illusion to us. Here I differ from +the Duke, and believe, that the late Ministry were very sincere +towards us, and would have made a treaty with us, at least to revive +the universal trade between us, upon a liberal plan. This doctrine of +ruin, from that plan, to the English, has been so much preached of +late in England by the French and the American refugees, who aim at +establishments in Canada and Nova Scotia, and by the old Butean +administration and their partisans, that I do not know whether any +Ministry could now support a generous plan. But if Temple, Thurlow, +Shelburne, Pitt, &c. should come in, I should not despair of it. It is +true, the Shelburne administration did encourage the ideas of cordial, +perfect friendship, of entire reconciliation of affections, of making +no distinction between their people and ours, especially between the +inhabitants of Canada and Nova Scotia and us, and this, with the +professed purpose of destroying all seeds of war between us. These +sentiments were freely uttered by Fitzherbert, Oswald, Whiteford, +Vaughan, and all who had the confidence of that Ministry; and in these +sentiments they were, I believe, very sincere. And they are, indeed, +the only means of preventing a future war between us and them, and so +sure as they depart from that plan, so sure, in less than fifteen +years, perhaps less than seven, there will break out another war. +Quarrels will arise among fishermen, between inhabitants of Canada and +Nova Scotia and us, and between their people and ours in the West +Indies, in our ports, and in the ports of the three kingdoms, which +will breed a war in spite of all we can do to prevent it. France sees +this and rejoices in it, and I know not whether we ought to be sorry; +yet I think we ought to make it a maxim to avoid all wars, if +possible; and to take care that it is not our fault if we cannot. We +ought to do everything, which the English will concur in, to remove +all causes of jealousies, and kill all the seeds of hostility as +effectually as we can; and to be upon our guard to prevent the French, +Spaniards, and Dutch, from sowing the seeds of war between us, for we +may rely upon it they will do it if they can. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 18th, 1783. + + Sir, + +There is cause to be solicitous about the state of things in England. +The present Ministry swerve more and more from the true system, for +the prosperity of their country and ours. Mr Hartley, whose sentiments +are at bottom just, is probably kept here, if he was not sent at +first, merely to amuse us, and to keep him out of the way of +embarrassing the coalition. We need not fear, that France and England +will make a common cause against us, even in relation to the +carrying-trade to and from the West Indies. Although they may mutually +inspire into each other false notions of their interests at times, yet +there can never be a concert of operations between them. Mutual enmity +is bred in the blood and bones of both, and rivals and enemies at +heart they eternally will be. + +In order to induce both to allow us our natural right to the +carrying-trade, we must negotiate with the Dutch, Danes, Portuguese, +and even with the Empires; for the more friends and resources we have, +the more we shall be respected by the French and English; and the more +freedom of trade we enjoy with the Dutch possessions in America, the +more will France and England find themselves necessitated to allow us. + +The present Ministers in England have very bad advisers; the refugees, +and emissaries of various other sorts, and we have nobody to watch +and counteract, to correct or prevent anything. + +The United States will soon see the necessity of uniting in measures +to counteract their enemies, and even their friends. What powers +Congress should have for governing the trade of the whole, for making +or recommending prohibitions, or imposts, deserves the serious +consideration of every man in America. If a constitutional legislative +authority cannot be given them, a sense of common danger and necessity +should give to their recommendations all the force upon the minds of +the people, which they had six years ago. + +If the union of the States is not preserved, and even their unity, in +many great points, instead of being the happiest people under the sun, +I do not know but we may be the most miserable. We shall find our +foreign affairs the most difficult to manage of any of our interests; +we shall see and feel them disturbed by invisible agents, and causes, +by secret intrigues, by dark and mysterious insinuations, by concealed +corruptions of a thousand sorts. Hypocrisy and simulation will assume +a million of shapes; we shall feel the evil, without being able to +prove the cause. Those, whose penetration reaches the true source of +the evil, will be called suspicious, envious, disappointed, ambitious. +In short, if there is not an authority sufficiently decisive to draw +together the minds, affections, and forces of the States, in their +common foreign concerns, it appears to me we shall be the sport of +transatlantic politicians of all denominations, who hate liberty in +every shape, and every man who loves it, and every country that enjoys +it. If there is no common authority, nor any common sense to secure a +revenue for the discharge of our engagements abroad for money, what +is to become of our honor, our justice, our faith, our universal, +moral, political, and commercial character? If there is no common +power to fulfil engagements with our citizens, to pay our soldiers, +and other creditors, can we have any moral character at home? Our +country will become the region of everlasting discontents, reproaches, +and animosities, and instead of finding our independence a blessing, +we shall soon become Cappadocians enough to wish it done away. + +I may be thought gloomy, but this ought not to discourage me from +laying before Congress my apprehensions. The dependence of those who +have designs upon us, upon our want of affection to each other, and of +authority over one another, is so great, that in my opinion, if the +United States do not soon show to the world a proof, that they can +command a common revenue to satisfy their creditors at home and +abroad, that they can act as one people, as one nation, as one man, in +their transactions with foreign nations, we shall be soon so far +despised, that it will be but a few years, perhaps but a few months +only, before we are involved in another war. + +What can I say in Holland, if a doubt is started, whether we can repay +the money we wish to borrow? I must assure them in a tone, that will +exclude all doubt that the money will be repaid. Am I to be hereafter +reproached with deceiving the money-lenders? I cannot believe there is +a man in America, who would not disdain the supposition, and therefore +I shall not scruple to give the strongest assurances in my power. But +if there is a doubt in Congress, they ought to recall their borrowers +of money. + +I shall set off tomorrow for Holland, in hopes of improving my health, +at the same time that I shall endeavor to assist the loan, and to +turn the speculations of the Dutch merchants, capitalists and +statesmen, towards America. It is of vast importance that the Dutch +should form just ideas of their interests respecting the communication +between us and their islands, and other colonies in America. I beg +that no time may be lost in commencing conferences with M. Van Berckel +upon this subject, as well as that of money; but this should not be +communicated to the French nor the English, because we may depend upon +it, both will endeavor to persuade the Dutch to adopt the same plan +with themselves. There are jealousies on both sides the Pass of +Calais, of our connexions and negotiations with the Dutch. But while +we avoid as much as we can to inflame this jealousy, we must have +sense and firmness and independence enough not to be intimidated by +it, from availing ourselves of advantages, that Providence has placed +in our power. There ever have been, and ever will be, suspicions of +every honest, active, and intelligent American, and there will be as +there have been insidious attempts to destroy or lessen your +confidence in every such character. But if our country does not +support her own interests, and her own servants, she will assuredly +fall. Persons, who study to preserve or obtain the confidence of +America, by the favor of European statesmen, or Courts, must betray +their own country to preserve their places. + +For my own part, I wish Mr Jay and myself almost anywhere else but +here. There is scarce any other place where we might not do some good. +Here we are in a state of annihilation. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +On Saturday last I left Paris, and arrived here last night. This +morning I sent M. Dumas to M. Van Berckel and M. Gyselaer, to inform +them of my arrival, and to desire a conversation with them, upon the +subject of the commerce between the United States and the Dutch +establishments in the West Indies. + +M. Van Berckel told M. Dumas, "that St Eustatia and Curaçoa were open +to the vessels of all nations, and to the commerce of all the world; +but that it was not the interest of the West India Company alone, but +that of the whole State, that obliged them to confine the commerce of +their sugars to themselves, because of the great number of their +refineries of sugar. That all their own sugars were not half enough to +employ their sugar-houses, and that at least one half of the sugars +refined in Holland were the production of the French West India +Islands." + +I suppose that some of these sugars may have been carried first to St +Eustatia, and brought from thence to Holland, and some others may have +been purchased in the ports of France, and imported raw from thence. I +do not know that Dutch vessels were permitted to purchase sugars in +the French Islands, and export them from thence. This matter deserves +to be examined to the bottom. If France has not sugar-houses for the +refinement of her own sugars, but is obliged to carry them, or to +permit their being carried, to Amsterdam and Rotterdam for +manufacture, why should she not be willing, that the same sugars +should be carried by Americans to Boston, New York, and Philadelphia? +Surely France has no predilection for Holland rather than America. But +what is of more weight, all the sugars, which America takes, will be +paid for in articles more advantageous to the Islands, and to France, +than the pay that is made by the Dutch. If any sugars refined in +Holland are afterwards sold in France, surely it would be more for the +interest of France, or rather less against her interests, to have the +same sugars refined in America, and afterwards sold in France, because +the price of them would be laid out by us in France. There is this +difference between us and the Dutch, and all other nations, we spend +in Europe all the profits we make and more, the others do not. But if +the French sugars, refined in Holland, are afterwards sold in other +parts of Europe, it would be just as well that we should sell them. We +have sugar-houses as well as the Dutch, and ours ought not to be more +obnoxious to French policy or commerce than theirs. + +Sugars are a great article. There is a great consumption in America. +It is not the interest of any nation, that has sugars to sell, to +lessen the consumption there. All such nations should favor that +consumption, in order to multiply purchasers, and quicken the +competition, by which the price is raised. None of these nations then +will wish to prevent our having sugar, provided we offer as high, or a +higher price. How they will be able to arrange their plans, so that we +may have enough for our own consumption, without having more, without +having some for exportation, I do not know. + +We have now St Eustatia and Curaçoa, St Lucia and Martinique, St +Thomas and St Martin's, no less than six free ports in the West +Indies; and perhaps England may be induced, necessitated indeed, to +add two more to the number, and make eight. At these free ports, it +will be hard if we cannot find sugars, when we carry thither all our +own productions, in our own ships. And if the worst should happen, and +all the nations, who have sugar Islands, should forbid sugars to be +carried to America in any other than their own bottoms, we might +depend upon having enough of this article at the free ports, to be +brought away in our own ships, if we should lay a prohibition or a +duty upon it in foreign ships. To do either, the States must be +united, which the English think cannot be. Perhaps the French think so +too, and in time, they may persuade the Dutch to be of the same +opinion. It is to be hoped we shall disappoint them all. In a point so +just and reasonable, when we are contending only for an equal chance +for the carriage of our own productions, and the articles of our own +consumption, when we are willing to allow to all other nations even a +free competition with us in this carriage, if we cannot unite, it will +discover an imperfection and weakness in our constitution, which will +deserve a serious consideration. + +M. Visscher, Pensionary of Amsterdam, who came in to visit me, when I +had written thus far, showed me a list of the Directors of the West +India Company, and refers me to M. Bicker, of Amsterdam, as one of the +most intelligent of them. He says, that the Colonists of Surinam, +Berbice, Essequibo, and Demarara, have been in decay, and obliged to +borrow money of the merchants at home, and have entered into contracts +with those merchants, to send them annually all the productions of +their plantations to pay the interest and principal of their debts; +that this will make it difficult to open the trade. + +Soon after M. Visscher went out, M. Van Berckel came in. I entered +into a like conversation with him, and told him that I thought the +decay of their plantations in the West Indies had been owing to the +rivalry of other nations, especially the English, whose Islands had +greater advantages from a freer communication with North America; and +I thought it might be laid down as a rule, that those Islands would +flourish most in population, culture, commerce, and wealth, which had +the freest intercourse with us, and that this intercourse would be a +natural means of attracting the American commerce to the metropolis. +He thought so too. + +I then mentioned to him the loan; and asked him, if he thought that +the States-General, the States of Holland, or the Regency of +Amsterdam, would be likely, in any way, to aid us? He said, no; that +the country was still so much divided, that he could not depend upon +any assistance in that way. That the Council of Amsterdam was well +enough disposed; but that the Burgomasters were not so. That M. +Temmink, M. Huggens, and M. Rendorp, were not to be depended on in +such an affair. That, therefore, our only resource was, to endeavor to +gain upon the public opinion and the spirit of the nation, and that, +in this respect, he would do me all the service in his power. He +thought that the present uncertainty about the definitive treaty, and +the fate of the Republic, would be an obstacle; but the definitive +treaty once signed, he thought our loan would succeed very well. I +asked him, whether he thought that the junction of three houses in my +loan was any obstruction to it? and whether any one of them, or +whether any other house, would do better? I told him what his brother, +(now I hope in Philadelphia,) had said to M. Dumas, viz. that the +house of Wilkem and Van Willink alone would succeed sooner than the +three. I asked him, whether he thought the house of Hope, either +alone, or in conjunction with that of the Willinks, or any other, +would undertake it? He said, this might well be, and that if they saw +their interest in it they would, for those mercantile houses had no +other object in view. He promised me to make inquiry into this matter, +and let me know the result. + +Upon this occasion, I must inform Congress, that it is absolutely +necessary they should send another Minister to this Republic, without +loss of time; because our three present houses, before they would +undertake the loan, extorted a promise from me, not to open another +with any other house until the five millions should be full. This +engagement I took for myself alone, however, and expressly premised +that Congress should not be bound by it; that Congress should be +perfectly free, and that any other Minister they might send here +should be perfectly free to open another loan, when and with whom they +pleased. A new Minister, therefore, may open a loan when he will, with +Hope, Willink, or whom he will, and I am persuaded it would succeed to +a good amount. + +I made visits to day, the 25th of July, to the Grand Pensionary, the +Secretary Fagel, the President of the week, and M. Gyselaer; and +returned visits to M. Van Berckel and M. Visscher. M. Gyselaer says, +that at present there is no ready money (_argent comptant_) in the +Republic, but in two months there will be, and the loan will go very +well. + +At noon I went to the house in the Grove, to make my court to the +Prince and Princess of Orange. + +The Prince either happened to be in a social humor, or has had some +political speculations lately, for he thought fit to be uncommonly +gracious and agreeable. He made me sit, and sat down by me, and +entered into familiar conversation about the negotiations of peace. He +asked many questions about it, and the probability of a speedy +conclusion of the definitive treaty. At length, he asked me, if Dr +Franklin was left alone? I answered, that Mr Jay was with him. He +asked, if I returned before the signature? I answered, that such was +my intention. He asked, whether Dr Franklin was an Ambassador? I +answered, that he was a Minister Plenipotentiary only. He asked, if +none of us were Ambassadors? I answered, that we all had the same rank +of Ministers Plenipotentiary, and that Congress had never yet made an +Ambassador. He said, he was astonished at that; that he had a long +time expected to hear, that we had displayed the character of +Ambassadors. I asked his Highness, what reason he had for this, and +what advantage there was in it? "Why," said he, "I expected that your +Republic would early assert her right to appoint Ambassadors. +Republics have been generally fond of appointing Ambassadors, in order +to be on a footing with crowned heads. Our Republic began very early. +We had eight Ambassadors at the peace of Munster; one for each +Province, and one supernumerary. And we always choose to appoint +Ambassadors, for the sake of being upon an equality with crowned +heads. There are only crowned heads, Republics, and the Electors of +the Empire, who have a right to send Ambassadors; all others can only +send Envoys, and Ministers Plenipotentiary. Princes cannot send +Ambassadors. I cannot, as Stadtholder, nor as Prince, nor in any other +quality, send a Minister of any higher order, than an Envoy, or +Minister Plenipotentiary." He asked me, what was the reason the +Congress had not made use of their right? I answered his Highness, +that really I did not know. It was a subject I had never much +reflected on; perhaps Congress had not. Or they might think it a +matter of ceremony and of show, rather than substance; or might think +the expense greater than the advantage. He said, it was very true, the +dignity of the rank must be supported, but he thought the advantage +worth more than the expense. + +I am utterly at a loss for his Highness' motives for entering so +minutely into this subject. Whether M. Van Berckel, before his +departure, had mentioned it; whether he thought he should please me by +it; whether he thought to please Congress by it; whether he affected +to interest himself in the honor of the United States; or whether any +of the politicians of this, or any other country, have put him upon +it, or whether it is mere accident, I know not. They are the words of +a Prince, and I have reported them very exactly. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 25th, 1783. + + Sir, + +It is the general opinion here both among the members of the States, +and at the _Hôtel de France_, that the delays of the definitive +pacification are contrived by the Court of London, in order to set all +their instruments at work in this Republic, to induce it to renew its +ancient connexions with Great Britain, particularly their alliance, +offensive and defensive, by which each power was bound to furnish the +other, if attacked, a certain number of ships and troops. Against this +the patriotic party is decided, and they are now very well satisfied +with the Grand Pensionary, Bleiswick, because he openly and roundly +takes their side, and the Court is said to be discontented with him +for the same reason. There is, no doubt, an intelligence and +correspondence between the two Courts of London and the Hague, to +bring about this point. The Grand Pensionary told me yesterday, that +the Court of London desired it, and there were persons here who +desired it, and he knew very well who they were; but that most +certainly they would not carry their point. Van Berckel, Visscher, and +Gyselaer, all assured me of the same, and added, that the fear of this +had determined them not to send a Minister to London, but to go +through with the negotiation at Paris, although they were all highly +dissatisfied with the conduct of France, and particularly with that of +the Count de Vergennes. + +They all say, he has betrayed and deserted them, played them a very +bad trick, (_tour_) and violated his repeated promises to them. They +do not in the least spare M. Berenger and M. Merchant, who conduct the +French affairs here in the absence of the Duc de la Vauguyon, but hold +this language openly and freely to them. These gentlemen have +sometimes found it hard to bear, and have winced, and sometimes even +threatened; but their answer has been more mortifying still; "Do as +you please, drive the Republic back into the arms of England, if you +will. Suppress all the friends of France, if you choose it." And some +of them have said, "we will go to America." They all say, that France +had the power to have saved them. That the acquisition of Tobago was +no equivalent to France for the loss of the Republic, &c. &c. &c. They +are all highly pleased with the conduct of their own Ambassador, +Brantzen, with his activity, intelligence, and fidelity. They all say, +that they would send a Minister to London to negotiate there, if they +were sure of being able to carry an election for a man they could +depend upon. But the Court here would have so much influence in the +choice, that they would run a risk of sending a man, who would +insensibly lead them into a revival of the old ties with England, +which, they say, is enslaving the Republic to that kingdom. + +I learn here from all quarters, a confirmation of what I had learned +before at Paris from M. Brantzen and the Duc de la Vauguyon, viz. that +the Duke of Manchester had given them no answer, nor said a word to +them for six weeks, in answer to the propositions they had made; among +which was an offer of an equivalent for Negapatnam. They offered some +establishments in Sumatra and Surat. Lately the Duke of Manchester has +received a courier, and has given an answer, that a real equivalent +might be accepted. No answer is given to any other point, and this is +vague; so that another courier must go to London and return. +Parliament is now up, and perhaps the Ministers may now be more +attentive, and less timorous. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I find, upon inquiry, that there are in this Republic, at Amsterdam, +Rotterdam, and Dort, near one hundred and thirty sugar-houses. The +whole of the raw sugars produced in Surinam, Berbice, Essequibo, and +Demarara, are wrought in these houses; and, besides, raw sugars were +purchased in Bordeaux and Nantes, after being imported from the French +islands, in French bottoms. Raw sugars were also purchased in London, +which went under the general name of Barbadoes sugars, although they +were the growth of all the English Islands, and imported to London in +British bottoms. I have learnt further, that great quantities of raw +Brazil sugars were purchased in Lisbon, and that these were cheaper +than any of the others. All these raw sugars were imported into +Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and Dort, and there manufactured for +exportation. We must endeavor to obtain a share in this trade, +especially with Lisbon, or the Western Islands. + +Since it is certain, that neither Portugal, France, nor England has +been able to manufacture all their raw sugars, but each of them sold +considerable quantities to the Dutch, I suppose that we may +undoubtedly purchase such sugars in future in Lisbon, Bordeaux, +Nantes, London, and perhaps Ireland, and carry them where we please, +either home to America, or to Amsterdam, or to any part of Europe, and +there sell them, and in this way promote our own carrying-trade, as +well as enable ourselves to make remittances. I cannot see why the +English, or French, should be averse to their sugars going to America +directly; and if they insist upon carrying them in their own ships, +we may still have enough of them. The Dutch have the most pressing +commercial motives to bring home their West India produce; yet they +would really gain the most by opening a free communication with us, +because they would the most suddenly make their colonies flourish by +it. + +Molasses and rum we shall have, probably, from all the islands, +English, French, and Dutch, in our own bottoms, unless the three +nations should agree together to keep the whole trade of their islands +in their own ships, which is not likely. + +I have made all the inquiries I could, and have sown all the seeds I +could, in order to give a spur to our loan. Three thousand obligations +have been sold, and the other two thousand are signed; but at this +time there is a greater scarcity of money than ever was known. The +scarcity is so great, that the agio of the bank, which is commonly at +four or five per cent, fell to one and a half. The Directors, at +length, shut up the bank, and it continues shut. The English omnium, +which at first was sold for eight or ten per cent profit, fell to one +and a half. The scarcity of money will continue until the arrival of +the Spanish flotilla at Cadiz. Seven eighths of the treasures of that +flotilla will come here, and make money plenty. Then we may expect, +that my obligations will sell. + +In the meantime, I have great pleasure in assuring you, that there is +not one foreign loan open in this Republic, which is in so good +credit, or goes so quick as mine. The Empress of Russia opened a loan +of five millions, about the same time that I opened mine. She is far +from having obtained three millions of it. Spain opened a loan with +the House of Hope, at the same time, for two millions only, and you +may depend upon it, it is very far from being full. Not one quarter +part of the loan of France upon life-rents, advantageous as it is to +the lender, is full. In short, there is not one power in Europe, whose +credit is so good here as ours. Russia and Spain, too, allow of +facilities to undertakers and others, in disposing of their +obligations, much more considerable than ours; yet all does not +succeed. You will see persons and letters in America, that will +affirm, that the Spanish loan is full, and that France and Spain can +have what money they please here. Believe me, this is all stockjobbing +gasconade. I have made very particular inquiries, and find the +foregoing account to be the truth. Of all the sons of men, I believe +the stockjobbers are the greatest liars. I know it has been given out, +that the Spanish loan, which was opened at Hope's, was full the first +day. This I know has been affirmed in the hearing of Americans, with a +confidence peculiar, and with a design, I suppose, that it should be +written or reported to Congress. But I am now assured, that it is so +far from being true, that it is not near full to this hour. Let me beg +of you, Sir, to give Mr Morris an extract of this, because I am so +pressed for time, that I cannot write to him. + +Upon further inquiry concerning sugars, I find, that the Dutch were +used to purchase annually considerable quantities of the raw sugars of +Spain, as well as of France, England and Portugal. Some of these they +obtained by a clandestine trade between Curaçoa and Havana, and St +Domingo; but the greater part were purchased at Cadiz. + +I suppose our merchants and musters of vessels will be as adroit at +inventing and executing projects of illicit trade, as others. But +this is a resource, that Congress and the States cannot depend on, nor +take into their calculations. Illicit trade will ever bear but a small +proportion to that which is permitted. And our governments should take +their measures for obtaining by legal and honorable means from Spain, +Portugal, France, England, Holland, and Denmark, all the productions +which our people may want for consumption, for manufacture, and for +exportation. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon inquiry of those who best know, I see no probability of success +from any application to authority in this country, for reasons which I +have explained to our Minister of Foreign Affairs. Our only resource +is in the public opinion, and the favor of the nation. + +I know of nothing which would operate so favorably upon the public, as +the arrival of a few vessels with cargoes of American produce, +addressed to your bankers, and appropriated to the payment of +interest. The report of such an event would greatly augment our +credit, by spreading the opinion of our ability and disposition to +pay. + +It would be presumption in me, at this distance, to undertake to +advise you, who are upon the spot, and much better informed. But I beg +leave to suggest the question, whether an application of Congress to +the States would not succeed? Suppose Congress should represent to the +States the necessity of an exertion, in order to obtain a loan at +present, to enable you to satisfy the most urgent demands of the army, +and other public creditors, until the States can agree upon some +permanent establishment, and should recommend to each State to furnish +a cargo of its produce, in proportion to its rate upon the list. For +example, South Carolina and Georgia a quantity of rice or indigo; +Virginia and Maryland, of tobacco; Pennsylvania, of wheat or flour; +and the Northern States, of fish or any other thing. Suppose these +cargoes, which need not be expensive for the Thirteen States, should +be sent to Amsterdam or anywhere else in Europe, the proceeds of sale +to be remitted to Amsterdam to your bankers. The reputation of this, +if well planned, adopted, and executed, would give a strong impulsion +to your loan, if adopted here. + +I am but just arrived, and have not yet seen our bankers. Saturday and +Sunday are usually spent at country seats. But before I leave this +place, I shall be able to inform you more precisely, whether you may +depend on anything from hence. No pains of mine shall be spared. The +British stocks are so low that we may hope for something. If a +Minister is sent to London, you should give him a commission to borrow +money. If he conducts the matter with secrecy and caution, he may +probably obtain a considerable sum there. There are monied men in that +country who wish us well. There are others who may easily be inspired +with more faith in our funds, than they can rationally have in their +own. If upon advising with proper persons, he should not judge it +prudent to open a loan there, he might easily put things in a train +for some individuals to purchase obligations in your loan in +Amsterdam. So dismal are the prospects in England, that many men are +on the wing to fly, and some would be willing to transfer their +property across the Atlantic. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 30th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I have been the more particular in my letters to you concerning that +extensive manufacture and commerce of refined sugars in this country, +because the proximity of all the sugar colonies to us renders a share +in it naturally useful and convenient, both to us and them. Fifty +thousand hogsheads of raw sugar are annually wrought in this Republic, +and exported at a great profit to Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Russia, +Poland, and Italy. At Amsterdam I visited a number of respectable +merchants, in order to discover their sentiments concerning the +communication between us and their Islands and sugar colonies. They +all agree, that St Eustatia and Curaçoa are and will be commercial +Islands, open and free to all our vessels. St Martin's is divided +between the French and Danes and the Dutch, whose share of it does not +flourish. The colonies upon the continent, Surinam, Berbice, Demarara, +and Essequibo, are at a greater distance from us. But they will be +open to our vessels and their cargoes, because they all agree, that +those colonies cannot subsist without our horses, lumber and +provisions, nor without the sale to us of their molasses. We shall be +allowed to take in return molasses, with which some quantities of +sugar, coffee, and other produce are always smuggled, as they say. But +although nothing has been as yet determined, it is the general +opinion, that the produce of the colonies must be brought home in +Dutch ships, as heretofore, molasses excepted. + +From the Secretary of the West India Company I have obtained a few +minutes, in so bad French, that I almost despair of rendering them +intelligible. I have attempted it, however, in the following +translation, viz. + + "In the grant of the West India Company, renewed, or more + properly newly erected, in the year 1700, continued in 1730, + prolonged afterwards in the year 1760 for two years, and in + the year 1762, from the first of January to the thirtyfirst + of December, 1791, are found the limits fixed, only for the + inhabitants of these Seven United Provinces, under the name + of the United Company of these Provinces, upon the coasts and + country of Africa, computing from the Tropic of Cancer to the + southern latitude of the Equinoctial Line, with all the + Islands in this district, situated upon the said coast, and + particularly the Islands of St Thomas, Annebon, Islands of + Principia and Fernando Po, as also the places of Essequibo + and Baumenora, situated upon the Continental Coasts of + America, as also the Islands of Curaçoa, Amaba and Buen Aire. + All the other limits of the ancient grant being open for the + commerce of all the inhabitants of the Republic, without + exception, upon condition, however, that if the Company, + oriental and occidental, should judge proper to navigate to + the Islands situated between the coasts of Africa and + America, beginning at the Ascension and further south, or any + of them, and should occupy it before any other should have a + private grant, with exclusion of all others for so long time + as it shall occupy its places, and in case they should + desist, these places should return under the second class, + open for the navigation of every individual of the Republic, + paying an acknowledgment, &c. That the said particulars, + trading in the said districts, shall be obliged to + acknowledge the Western Company, and to pay them for the + right of convoy, and consequently in form of acknowledgment, + viz. for the productions and merchandises for the West + Indies, two per cent, and returning from thence into these + Provinces, two per cent more for the commodities in return. + And further, the ships navigating to places farther distant + in America, contained in the ancient grant, both in going and + returning, should pay five florins per last, or more or less + as their High Mightinesses shall judge proper to determine + hereafter; observing, nevertheless, that these five florins + per last shall not be demanded of ships navigating to the + Caribee Islands, which shall pay the ordinary duty for convoy + to the Colleges of the Admiralty from which they sail, and + the said private navigators shall be held, moreover, for the + satisfaction of the Western Company, to give sufficient + caution, that they will not navigate, nor cause to be + navigated, the places contained in the first class, ceded to + the Company with exclusion of all others. And if any one is + found to act contrary, and to navigate to any place situated + in the prescribed limits, and granted to the Company, his + ship and cargo shall be confiscated and attacked in force, by + the ships belonging to the said Company; and if such ships + and merchandises or commodities, shall be sold or entered + into any other country or foreign port, the owner and his + accomplice shall be liable to execution, for the value of the + said ships and merchandises or commodities. + + "The Company has also the right to require an acknowledgment + of all those who shall navigate, import or export any + merchandise to or from places belonging to the said Company, + notwithstanding they may be subject, and may belong to the + domination of other Kings or Princes, situated within the + limits stipulated in the grant; and especially of every + foreign vessel, bringing any commodities or merchandises from + the West Indies, or the limits stipulated in the grants into + the Provinces, whether upon its own account, or freight, or + on commission, whether such foreign vessel shall come + directly from the West Indies; and the limits of the grant, + into the Provinces, or whether she shall have carried her + cargo to other countries or kingdoms, for what reason soever + this may be done. Excepting only in case the merchandises of + the proprietor should by negotiation be changed in nature, + and that the duty of this country fixed to the place should + be paid, which any one alleging shall be obliged to prove + sufficiently, according to the amount of the merchandises. + Declaring, moreover, for the further elucidation of the said + grant, that under the name of the New Low Countries, in + consequence of the three per cent, which the Company has a + right to require for the merchandises sent there, or brought + from thence, is understood that part of North America, which + extends itself west and south of the northern part of + Newfoundland as far as the Cape of Florida, and for what + regards the payment of the two per cent under the name of the + West Indies, to be computed from the Cape of Florida, to the + river Oronoco, and the Islands of Curaçoa. For what concerns + the other places of America, contained in the most ancient + and precedent grant, in regard to the five florins per last, + upon the vessels there navigating, shall be understood all + the Carribee Islands, Cuba, Jamaica, Hispaniola and Porto + Rico, as also all the other coasts and countries, computing + from the river Oronoco aforesaid, by the straits of Magellan, + Le Maire, or other passages or straits, situated under these, + as far as the strait of Aryan, both upon the sea of the + north, and the Islands situated upon the other side, and + between them, as also the southern countries, situated + between the two meridians, touching at the east the Cape of + Good Hope, and in the west the eastern part of New Guinea, + inclusively." + +If this paper is not very clear to Congress, it is not more so to me, +and perhaps to the Dutch themselves. There is a dispute likely to +arise between the West India Company and the College of the Admiralty +about it, which will be explained further as it proceeds, by whatever +Minister you may send here. + +Upon the whole matter of our communications with the European +establishments in the West Indies; we shall carry freely our +commodities to the French and Dutch, excepting, perhaps, flour to the +French, which however will be carried, I suppose, to St Lucia and Port +Royal, as well as St Eustatia and Curaçoa, St Thomas's and St +Martin's, and there sold to any nation that will purchase it. Molasses +and rum we shall bring away freely from the French and Dutch. And if +we can obtain of them the liberty of carrying sugars, coffee, &c. from +their possessions in the West Indies to their ports in Europe, giving +bonds with surety to land them in such ports, it will be as much as we +can expect. If they will allow raw sugars, coffee, cotton, &c. to be +sent freely to the United States in their own vessels, this would be +an advantage for us, though not so considerable as to bring them in +ours. What the English will do is uncertain. We are not to take the +late proclamation for a law of the Medes. The Ministry who made it +are not firm in their seats. If Shelburne comes in we shall do better; +and, to be prepared to take advantage of so probable an event, you +should have a Minister ready. We have one infallible resource, if we +can unite in laying a duty or a prohibition. But this measure must not +be hastily taken, because by negotiation, I apprehend, the point may +be carried in England. To this end it may be proper to instruct your +Minister, and authorise him to say, that the States will find +themselves obliged, against their inclination, to lay a prohibition or +heavy duty upon all West India goods imported, and all American +productions exported in British bottoms, if the trade is not regulated +by treaty upon an equitable footing. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 31st, 1783. + + Sir, + +The last evening at Court in the house in the Grove, where all the +foreign Ministers supped, the Count Montagnini de Mirabel, the +Minister Plenipotentiary from the King of Sardinia, took an +opportunity to enter largely into conversation with me. As he and I +were at a party of politics, while the greatest part of the company +were at cards, for two or three hours, we ran over all the world, but +nothing occurred worth repeating except what follows. + +The Count said, that his advice to Congress would be to write a +circular letter to every power in Europe, as soon as the definitive +treaty should be signed, and transmit with it a printed copy of the +treaty. In the letter, Congress should announce, that on the 4th of +July, 1776, the United States had declared themselves a sovereign +State, under the style and title of the United States of America; that +France, on the 6th of February, 1778, had acknowledged them; that the +States-General had done the same on the 19th of April, 1782; that +Great Britain, on the 30th of November, 1782, had signed with them a +treaty of peace, in which she had fully acknowledged their +sovereignty; that Sweden had entered into a treaty with them, on the +5th of February, 1783; and that Great Britain had concluded the +definitive treaty under the mediation of the two Empires, if that +should be the fact, &c. Such a notification to all the other powers +would be a regular procedure, a piece of politeness, which would be +very well received, and the letter would be respectfully answered by +every power in the world, and these written answers would be explicit, +and undeniable acknowledgments of our sovereignty. + +It might have been proper to make this communication in form, +immediately after the declaration of independence; it might have been +more proper to do it after the signature of the provisional treaty; +but that it was expected it would be done after the definitive treaty. +That these circular letters might be transmitted to your Ministers for +peace, or such of them as may remain, or to any of your Ministers in +Europe, to be by them delivered to the Ministers at the Court where +they are, or transmitted any other way. That Congress must be very +exact in the etiquette of titles, as this was indispensable, and the +letters could not be answered nor received without it. That we might +have these titles at the Count de Vergennes' office with precision, +&c. + +The Count then proceeded to commerce, and said, that all the cabinets +of Europe had lately turned their views to commerce, so that we should +be attended to and respected by all of them. He thought we should find +our account in a large trade in Italy, every part of which had a +constant demand for our tobacco, and salt-fish, at least. The +dominions of the King, his master, could furnish us in exchange, +oranges, citrons, olives, oil, raisins, figs, anchovies, coral, lead, +sulphur, alum, salt, marble of the finest quality and gayest colors, +manufactures of silk, especially silk stockings twenty per cent +cheaper than France, hemp, and cordage. He said, we might have great +advantages in Italy in another respect. We had it in our power to +become the principal carriers for the people of Italy, who have little +skill or inclination for navigation or commerce. The (_cabotage_) +carrying-trade of Italy had been carried on by the English, French, +and Dutch; the English had now lost it, the French had some of it, but +the Dutch the most, who made an immense profit of it; for to his +knowledge they sold in the Baltic, and even in Holland, many Italian +productions, at a profit of five or six for one. That we should have +the advantage of them all. By bringing our tobacco and fish to Italy, +we might unload at some of their ports, take in cargoes upon freight +for other ports of Italy, and thus make coasting voyages, until we had +made up our cargoes for return, or we might take in cargoes on freight +for Germany, or the Baltic. The Dutch, he said, would be the greatest +losers by this rivalry, but as long as the Italians and Americans +would be honestly gainers, neither need be anxious for that. That +there was a very good port in his master's dominions, which was +perfectly free, where we might go in and out at pleasure, without +being subject to duties, searches, or visits. + +We then made a transition to Turkey; the Count could not, for his +part, blame the Emperor for wishing to open the navigation of the +Danube; his kingdom of Hungary was one of the finest countries in the +world; it was one of the most fertile, producing in great abundance +wines of various sorts, all excellent, though Tokay was the best; +grains of every sort in great quantities, metals of all sorts, gold, +silver, copper, iron, quicksilver; yet all these blessings of nature +were rendered in a manner useless by the slavery of the Danube. The +Emperor was very unfortunate, in having the Danube enslaved on one +side, and the Scheldt on the other; and in this age, when the liberty +of navigation and commerce was the universal cry, he did not wonder at +his impatience under it. He did not think, that England would meddle +in the dispute, as her trade to the Levant had declined. The Dutch had +some still, but France had now the greatest part of it to Smyrna, +Alexandria, Aleppo, in short, to all the trading towns of Turkey in +Asia, for this is what is understood by the Levant trade. France, he +thought, could not venture to engage in the war in earnest, in the +present state of her finances. + +I have learnt, since I came here, that France is desirous that this +Republic should declare herself concerning this Turkish war. But she +will avoid it. Unhappily, France has lost much of her influence here. +Her friends fear, that the odium of losing Negapatnam will fall upon +them among the people. The English and the Stadtholderians are +endeavoring to detach the Republic entirely from France, and to revive +the ancient connexions, particularly the ancient alliance, offensive +and defensive in the treaty of 1674. A Mr Shirley, at Paris, has +lately proposed to M. Boers, and M. Van der Pere, two agents of the +Dutch East India Company, who have been a year or two at Paris, and +are reputed to be in the Stadtholder's interest, that England had the +best dispositions towards the Republic, and would give them ample +satisfaction if they would treat distinctly from France, and renew the +ancient cordial friendship, and proposed an interview with the Dutch +Ambassadors upon this subject. The agents proposed it, but Brantzen +refused, to the great satisfaction of the principal republicans. Yet +M. Berenger tells me, that some of the republican members begin to be +afraid, and to think they shall be obliged to fall in with the +English. + +Upon conversing with many people in the government and out of it, in +Amsterdam as well as the Hague, they all complain to me of the conduct +of France. They all confess, that the Republic has not done so much in +the war as she ought, but this is the fault of the friends of England, +they say, not those of France, and the worst evils of all, that befall +the latter, are the reproaches of the former, who now say insultingly, +"this comes of confiding in France, we always told you, that you would +be cheated," &c. France ought, they say, to have considered this, and +not have imputed to the Republic the faults of her enemies, because +the punishment falls wholly on her friends. + +I mention these things to you, because, although we are not +immediately interested in them, they may have consequences which may +affect us; and, therefore, you ought to know them. I think, however, +upon the whole, the Republic will stand firm, and refuse to receive +the alliance, though they sacrifice Negapatnam. France wishes to win +the Republic into an alliance, but feels an awkwardness about +proposing it, and, indeed, I doubt whether she would now succeed; she +might have succeeded heretofore. But, in plain English, Sir, the +Count de Vergennes has no conception of the right way of negotiating +with any free people, or with any assembly, aristocratical or +democratical. He cannot enter into the motives which govern them; he +never penetrates their real system, and never appears to comprehend +their constitution. With empires, and monarchs, and their Ministers of +State, he negotiates aptly enough. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, August 1st, 1783. + + Sir, + +I had last evening some conversation with D. Joas Theolonico de +Almeida, the Envoy Extraordinary of Portugal, who desired to meet me +today at any hour at his house or mine. I promised to visit him at +twelve, which I did. + +He said, he had heard that the French Minister had proposed to the +Duke of Manchester, at Versailles, to reduce the duties upon French +wines in England to the level of those upon Portugal wines, and begged +of me to inform him if it were true, because, if it were, Portugal +must endeavor to indemnify herself by opening a trade with America, or +some other way, for such a project will be ruinous to the sale of +their wines in England, which was their only market. I answered, that +I had heard of such a project among multitudes of others in private +conversation, but knew no authority for it. We have a treaty, says he, +made in 1703, by which we have stipulated with the English, to permit +the importation of their cloths, upon condition that they allow the +importation of Portugal wines upon paying one third of the duty upon +French wines; if they violate the treaty, says he, we shall be rid of +it. + +I asked him, if his Court permitted the English, or any other nation, +to go to the Brazils? In the last century, said he, between 1660 and +1670, we did agree with Charles the Second, who married a daughter of +Portugal, that the English should go to the Brazils, and after that, +the Dutch sued for permission to go there too, and we granted it. But +we found it inconvenient, and in 1714 or 1715, at the treaty of +Utrecht, we agreed upon an article with Spain, to exclude all nations +from the Brazils, and as the English Ambassadors were there, we have +since held that nation bound, and have confiscated their vessels as +well as the Dutch which venture there. The English have sometimes made +strong remonstrances, but we have always told them, if we admit you, +we must admit the Dutch too, and such has been their jealousy of the +Dutch, and dread of their rivalry, that this has always quieted them, +choosing rather to be excluded themselves, than that the Dutch should +be admitted. So that this commerce has been a long time carried on in +Portuguese ships only, and directly between the Brazils and Lisbon. + +I asked him, whether we might not have free communication with all +their Western Islands, and whether one or all of them might not be +made a depot for the produce of the Brazils, so that Portuguese ships +might stop and deposit cargoes there, and American vessels take them? +He said, he would write about it to his Court by the next post. At +present, Brazil communicated only with Lisbon, and, perhaps, it might +be difficult for government to secure the duties at the Western +Islands. I asked, if there were any refineries of sugar at Lisbon? He +said, none. Their sugars had all been brought here by the Dutch for +refining; that all their carrying-trade with other parts of Europe had +been carried on by the English and Dutch; that their mercantile +navigation (_marine marchand_) before this war, had been upon a very +poor footing, but it was now much changed, and they began to carry on +their trade in their own vessels. I observed, if their trade should +continue to be carried on by others, it must be indifferent to them +whether it were done in English, Dutch, or American vessels, provided +it was done to their equal advantage. But if they should persist in +the desire to conduct it in their own vessels, they might purchase +ships ready built in America cheaper than they could build them or buy +them elsewhere. All this, he said, was true. That they could supply us +with sugars, coffee, cocoa, Brazil wood, and even with tea, for they +had an island, called Macao, near China, which was a flourishing +establishment, and sent them annually a good deal of tea, which the +Dutch usually bought very cheap at Lisbon to sell again. + +He asked, whether Portugal wines had been much used in America. I +answered, that Port wines, common Lisbon, and Caracavalles, had been +before the war frequently used, and that Madeira was esteemed above +all other wine. That it was found equally wholesome and agreeable, in +the heats of summer and the colds of winter, so that it would probably +continue to be preferred, though there was no doubt that a variety of +French wines would now be more commonly used than heretofore. He said, +they should have occasion for a great deal of our fish, grain, and +perhaps ships or ship-timber, and naval stores, and other things, and +he thought there was a prospect of a very beneficial trade with us, +and he would write largely to his Court upon it. I replied, that I +wondered his Court had not sent a Minister to Philadelphia, where the +members and Ministers of Congress, and even the merchants of the city, +might throw much light upon the subject, and assist in framing a +treaty to the greatest possible advantage for both countries. He said, +he would write for a commission and instructions to negotiate a treaty +with me. I told him, that I believed his Court had already instructed +their Ambassador at Versailles to treat with Dr Franklin; but that I +thought that Philadelphia or Lisbon were the proper places to treat, +and that I feared mutual advantages might be lost by this method of +striking up a bargain in haste in a distant country, between Ministers +who could not be supposed to have made of commerce a study. + +In a letter from Paris yesterday, I am informed that a project of a +treaty with Portugal, and another with Denmark, are to go home by +Captain Barney.[9] These projects have never been communicated to me, +nor to Mr Jay. I hope that Congress will not be in haste to conclude +them, but take time to inform themselves of everything which may be +added to the mutual advantage of the nations and countries concerned. +I am much mistaken, if we have not lost advantages by a similar piece +of cunning in the case of Sweden. + +With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[9] For these treaties, and some account of them, see _Franklin's +Correspondence_, Vol. IV. pp. 114, 115, 130, 141, 150. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, August 2d, 1783. + + Sir, + +M. Berenger, the Secretary of the French Legation, has this moment +left me. He came in to inform me of the news. The Empress of Russia +has communicated to the King of Prussia, a treaty of alliance between +the Emperor of Germany and her, defensive against the Christian powers +and offensive against the Turks. The King of Prussia has answered her, +"that he is very sensible, upon this communication, as one is upon the +communication of things of great importance." Thus wrapped up in an +impenetrable reserve is this great warrior and statesman. We may +discern by this answer, what all the world would know without it, viz. +that his Majesty has no joy in this new alliance. Still he expresses +no sorrow; and maintains a perfect liberty to take which side he will, +or neither, at his pleasure, and the same reserve he will probably +hold to the end of the war. + +M. Berenger says, if Prussia is neutral France must be so too, for she +cannot cope by land with the two Empires; that this Republic is +desired to declare, but does not choose it; that they are +dissatisfied, and the republicans murmur a good deal, and are +wavering, and that the other party will do nothing; that England +hitherto has favored an accommodation between Russia and the Turks; +that the British Ambassador, at Constantinople, has co-operated with +the French to bring about an accommodation; that the Turks have +offered Russia the free navigation of the Black Sea and passage of the +Dardanelles, and the same with a free navigation of the Danube to the +Emperor, but they will not accept it, but are determined to drive the +Turks from Europe; that France has determined to put her army upon a +war footing, because it has been much neglected during the late war; +that he believes France and Spain will shut the Mediterranean against +a Turkish fleet, as Russia, Sweden, and Denmark excluded warlike +vessels from the Baltic in the last war; that this state of things +gives him great pain, and must embarrass the Count de Vergennes. It is +a great and difficult question, whether France should take a side. If +she does not, and the Empires should prevail, it will be an immense +aggrandizement of the House of Austria, which, with Russia, will +become two great maritime powers; that England will act an insidious +part; pretend to favor peace, secretly foment war, and join in, at the +end, if she sees a favorable opportunity to crush France. These are +sensible observations of M. Berenger, who added, that a new difficulty +in the way of the definitive treaty had arisen between England and +Spain, respecting the Musquito shore, so that more couriers must go +and return. + +I confess myself as much in pain at this state of things as M. +Berenger, and, therefore, I wish most ardently, that we may omit no +proper means of settling our question with every Court in Europe, and +especially our plan of commerce with Great Britain. If this is too +long left in uncertainty, the face of things may soon change, so as to +involve us in the complicated, extensive, and long war, which seems to +be now opening. + +The prospect of returning to Paris, and living there without my +family, in absolute idleness, at a time when so many and so great +things want to be done for our country elsewhere, is very +disagreeable. If we must live there, waiting for the moving of many +waters, and treaties are to be there negotiated with the powers of +Europe, or only with Denmark and Portugal, I pray that we may all be +joined in the business, as we are in the commission for peace, that, +at least, we may have the satisfaction of knowing what is done, and of +giving a hint for the public good, if any one occurs to us, and that +we may not be made the sport and ridicule of all Europe, as well as of +those who contrive such humiliations for us. + +With the greatest respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, August 3d, 1783. + + Sir, + +The fiscal systems of the powers of Europe have such an ill influence +on commerce, that they deserve the serious attention of Congress and +their Ministers, whenever they have under consideration a treaty with +any foreign power. In conversation yesterday with M. d'Asp, the +_Chargé d'Affaires_ of Sweden, I inquired of him what imposts were +payable in their ports upon the importation and exportation of +merchandises, and observed to him, that I had lately seen in the +gazettes, that the King had taken off certain duties upon the +importation of merchandises from America, in Swedish ships. He agreed +that such a thing had been done. This ought to alarm us. All the +powers of Europe, who are called neutral, have felt a sudden increase +of their navigation in the course of the late war, and the profits +they have made have excited a desire to augment it still further. If +they should generally exact duties of our ships, and none of their own +upon the importation of our produce, this will be as great a +discouragement to our navigation as it will be an encouragement to +theirs. Whether this has been attended to in the treaty with Sweden I +know not, for I have not seen it. But it ought to be carefully +considered by those who negotiate the treaties with Denmark and +Portugal, the Emperor and Empress, and all other powers. We have a +good right to insist, that no distinction shall be made in their ports +between their ships and ours; that we should pay in their ports no +higher duties than they pay in ours. + +I should think it therefore advisable for Congress to instruct their +negotiators, to endeavor to obtain equity in this respect. This is the +time for it, if ever. If we cannot obtain it by negotiation, we must +think and talk of doing ourselves justice by making similar +distinctions in our own ports between our vessels and theirs. But here +again comes in the difficulty of uniting our States in such measures; +a difficulty which must be surmounted, or our commerce, navigation, +and marine will still be ruined, notwithstanding the conservation of +the fisheries. It deserves to be considered by whom this new method of +huddling up treaties at Paris is contrived, and for what purposes. It +may well be conjectured, that it is done with the secret intention of +preventing these things from being attended to; for there are persons +who had rather that any other people should have navigation than the +Americans. I have good reason to believe that it was known at +Versailles, that Mr Dana had well digested his thoughts upon this +subject, which was reason enough for some people to endeavor to take +Sweden out of his hands, in whose department it was. Their success is +much to be lamented.[10] + +I had yesterday and the day before long conversations with the Baron +Van der Capellen de Pal, and M. Gyselaer. They both complain to me, in +the most pathetic terms, of the cruel situation of the friends of +America and France in this Republic. They both say, that they are +looking round every way like drowning men for support. The Province of +Friesland, their great dependence, wavers, and many of their +fellow-laborers are discouraged. They both inquired of me very +earnestly, if closer connexions could not be formed with us; if we +could not agree to warrant to each other the liberty of navigation, or +enter into an alliance, offensive and defensive. They see they shall +be obliged to make a shameful peace, and that the blame of it will +fall upon them, which will give a triumph to the Court, and put their +persons even in danger. They say, the King of France, by his +Ambassador, in July, 1782, gave them a positive assurance that he +would never separate his cause from theirs. In consequence of this, +they had instructed their Ambassadors never to separate their cause +from his. On their part the agreement had been sacredly observed, but +not on the other. With Great Britain enraged against them, with a +formidable party in the Republic furious against them, with the King +of Prussia threatening them, and abandoned by France, their prospects +are, they say, as disagreeable as can be conceived. + +There are many appearances of designs to excite the people to +seditions, and I think it probable that the Court of London studies +delays of the Definitive Treaty in this hope. I still believe, +however, that the people will be wise and the Republic firm, and +submit to the immense losses of the war, and that of Negapatnam, +rather than renew their old submission to the Court and to England. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[10] The plan of the treaty with Sweden was sent out to Dr Franklin by +Congress, and adopted with hardly a verbal alteration. See the plan, +and the treaty as adopted, in the Secret Journals of Congress, Vol. +III. pp. 227, 369. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +On the 6th I left the Hague, and last night arrived here. I had +several interviews, on some of the last days at the Hague, which I had +not time to give you an account of, as a great part of my time was +taken up with visits to take leave of the Court, the President, the +Grand Pensionary, Greffier, &c. ceremonies which must be repeated at +every coming and going, and upon many other occasions, to the no small +interruption of business of more importance. + +I asked the Count de Sanafeé, the Spanish Minister, with whom I have +always lived upon very good terms, whether it might not be possible to +persuade his Court, that it would be good policy for them to allow to +the citizens of the United States of America a free port, in some of +their islands at least, if not upon the Continent of South America? He +said he did not know; that he thought, however, his Court would be +afraid of the measure, as free ports were nests of smugglers, and +afforded many facilities of illicit trade, (_le commerce interlope_.) + +I asked him further, whether measures might not be taken at Madrid, to +the end that the sugars, coffee, cocoa, &c. of their Colonies might be +carried to the free ports of France, Holland, and Denmark, in the West +Indies or one of them, in Spanish vessels, that they might be there +purchased by Americans? He said he was not able to foresee any +objection against this. I asked him again, what objections there +could be to admitting American vessels to the Spanish Islands of Cuba +and Hispaniola, to carry their produce and purchase molasses, as they +did in the French and Dutch Colonies. Such a commerce would be useful +and profitable both to them and to us. He said that he could not +pretend to give any opinion upon any of these points. But that we must +negotiate them at Madrid. I hope Congress will instruct their Minister +at the Court of Madrid to propose all these things, and endeavor to +obtain them. + +The Portuguese Envoy, Don Almeida, returned my visit, and brought with +him a copy of the treaty between Spain and Portugal, made at Utrecht +in 1715. This treaty was signed under the warranty of Great Britain, +and one article of it is, that each nation shall confine the commerce +with its possessions in America to its own subjects. I had much +satisfaction in the conversation of this Minister, who, though a young +man, appears possessed of more than common intelligence, and a desire +to inform himself of everything which can affect his nation. He is, as +he told me, a nephew of the present Prime Minister at the Court of +Lisbon. He says, that the _King his master_, (a style which they +continue to use, although the Queen is the sovereign, and her husband +is but her subject) allows but sixty thousand Dutch guilders a year to +his Ambassador at Versailles, which not being sufficient for his +expenses at that Court, he is continued there because he is very rich; +but that he is not a man of business. + +He again enlarged upon the subject of Portuguese navigation, which has +been prettily increased, (_tres joliment augmenté_) during the late +war, and would have been still doubled if the war had continued +another year; that their merchants and mariners had pushed their +navigation with more spirit than skill; had sent their wines and other +things in prize vessels purchased in France and Spain, all over +Europe; but that their seamen not being experienced, many vessels had +been lost, so that the price of insurance was ten per cent with them, +when it was not more then three or four with other neutral nations; +that the profits had nevertheless been so considerable, as to excite a +strong inclination still to increase their shipping and +carrying-trade. These observations are worth repeating to Congress, +because all the other neutral powers have felt a like advantage. The +commerce of the northern powers was so increased, and had turned the +course of business that way to such a degree, as occasioned to the +Danish Minister at Versailles, for example, a loss of forty per cent +upon his salary. So much was exchange affected. + +The late belligerent powers, having observed this sudden increase of +the commerce of the neutrals, and that it was owing to the sudden +growth of their navigation, are alarmed. So that the attention of all +the commercial nations is now turned to navigation, carrying-trade, +coasting-trade, &c. more than ever. We should be apprised of this, and +upon our guard. Our navigation and carrying-trade is not to be +neglected. We have great advantages for many branches of it, and have +a right to claim our natural share in it. + +This morning I went out to Passy, and found from Dr Franklin and Mr +Jay, that nothing farther had been done since my departure, but to +deliver to Mr Hartley a fair copy of the project of a definitive +treaty, which I had left with my colleagues; that Mr Laurens had been +here in my absence, and returned to England; that he was of opinion, +the present British Ministry would not remain a fortnight; that Mr +Hartley had been seven weeks without a letter from his principals, and +then received only an apology for not having written, a promise to +write soon, and authority to assure the American Ministers that all +would go well. These last are words of course. There are but three +ways in which I can account for this conduct of the British Ministry. +1st. The fact is, that they foresee a change, and do not choose to +commit themselves, but wish to reserve everything for the foundation +of a future opposition, that they may attack the definitive treaty +which may be made by a future Ministry, as they attacked the +provisional and preliminary one, made by the last. 2dly. That they are +exciting secretly and insidiously the troubles in the north, in hopes +of involving France, and then assuming a higher tone. 3dly. That they +are in expectation, that seditions may be excited in Holland, and the +Dutch induced to renounce France, and renew the ancient alliance with +England. + +I see no more appearance of the definitive treaty, than I have done +these six months. Mr Hartley, I am told by Mr Jay, thinks that the +French Court wish to delay the signature; that they do not wish to see +the peace finished between England and America, while matters are +uncertain in the north. There are so many considerations on both sides +of the question, whether the French Minister wishes to finish soon or +not, that it is hard to decide it. Neither Court possibly is very +zealous to finish, while so great a scene as the northern war lies +under so much obscurity. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday I went to Court with Dr Franklin, and presented to the Count +de Vergennes our project of a definitive treaty, who told us he would +examine it and give us his sentiments upon it. + +It was Ambassadors' day, and I had conversations with a number of +Ministers, of which it is proper I should give you an account. + +The Dutch Ambassador, Berkenrode, told me, that last Saturday the +Count de Vergennes went to Paris, and dined with the Imperial +Ambassador, the Count de Mercy, in company with the Duke of +Manchester, the Count d'Aranda, the Prince Bariatinski, and M. +Markoff, with their Secretaries; that after dinner the Secretaries in +presence of all the Ministers read over, compared, and corrected the +definitive treaties between France and Great Britain, and between +Spain and Great Britain, and finally agreed upon both. So that they +are now ready for signature by the Ministers of Great Britain, France, +and Spain as principals, and by those of the two Imperial Courts as +mediators. + +The Duke of Manchester told me, that Mr Hartley's courier, who carried +our project of a treaty, arrived in London last Saturday, and might be +expected here on next Saturday on his return. + +In the evening, on my return from Versailles, Mr Hartley called upon +me at my house, and informed me, that he had just received a courier +from Westminster, who had brought him the ratification of our +provisional treaty, under the King's own hand, and under the great +seal of the kingdom, enclosed in a silver box, ornamented with golden +tassels as usual, which he was ready to exchange tomorrow morning. He +informed me farther, that he had received very satisfactory letters +from the Duke of Portland and Mr Fox, and the strongest assurances, +that the dispositions of his Court were very good to finish +immediately, and to arrange all things upon the best footing; that he +had farther received plenary authority to sign the definitive treaty +tomorrow, or tonight, if we pleased; that he had received a draft +ready formed, which he would show us. + +We agreed to go together in the morning to my colleagues, and this +morning we went out in Mr Hartley's carriage, exchanged the +ratifications, and he produced to us his project of a definitive +treaty. It is the provisional treaty in so many words; without +addition or diminution. It is only preceded with a preamble, which +makes it a definitive treaty. And he proposed to us, that all matters +of discussion respecting commerce or other things should be left to be +discussed by Ministers, to be mutually appointed to reside in London +and Philadelphia. We told him, that it had been proposed to us, that +the Ministers of the two Imperial Courts should sign the treaty as +mediators, and that we had answered, that we had no objection to it. + +He said, he had unanswerable ones. First, he had no authority, and +could not obtain any certainly under ten days, nor probably ever. For +secondly, it would, he thought, give great offence to his Court, and +they never would agree that any nation should interfere between them +and America. Thirdly, for his part, he was fully against it, and +should write his opinion to his Court. If he was about to marry his +daughter, or set up a son in the world, after he was of age, he would +never admit any of his neighbors to interfere, and sign any contract +he might make, as mediators. There was no need of it. + +We told him there was no need of warmth upon the occasion, or any +pretence for his Court to take offence; that it had been proposed to +us, that the Imperial Ministers should sign as mediators. Our answer +had been, that we had no objections, that we were willing and ready to +consent to it, or even to request it. His Court had a right to consent +or dissent, as it thought proper. To be sure, the mediation could not +take place without their consent. That he might write to his Court the +proposition, and if he received orders to consent or dissent, it would +be equally well. In the meantime, we were ready to sign the definitive +treaty, either with or without the mediation, whenever the other +parties were ready to sign, according to his project just received +from his Court, that is, simply a repetition of the provisional +treaty. + +We have agreed to this, because it is plain, that all propositions for +alterations in the provisional articles will be an endless discussion, +and that we must give more than we can hope to receive. The critical +state of things in England, and at the Court of Versailles, and in all +the rest of Europe, affords pressing motives to get this business +finished. + +Mr Hartley told us from his Court, that they had expected an American +Minister at St James's these three months, and that all further +matters might be there discussed. + +He also announced to us the birth of another Princess, the fifteenth +child of the Queen, upon which event he received our congratulations, +which I hope Congress will approve and repeat by their Minister in +London; for these personal and family compliments are more attended +to in Courts, and have greater effects than may be imagined. + +I lament very much, that we cannot obtain an explanation of the +article respecting the refugees, and that respecting debts; but it is +plain, we must give more than they are worth for such explanations; +and what is of more decisive importance, we must make a long delay, +and put infinitely greater things at hazard by this means. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The question before the French cabinet, whether they shall involve +themselves in a war against two Christian Empires, in order to support +a Turkish one, is of a serious nature on many accounts. If the Turks +should be driven out of Europe, France would lose some of the Levant +trade, and some of the coasting trade of Italy; and these commercial +and naval considerations are enforced by others, which lie deeper in +the human heart, the ancient rivalry between the great Houses of +Bourbon and Austria, and between the vast countries of Germany and +France, and between all the lesser powers, which depend upon them. To +these considerations is to be added, that an Austrian Princess is now +upon the throne of France, to whom it is no doubt a melancholy +consideration, that there is danger of a war between a husband and a +brother. + +The city politicians are looking out for alliances with Prussia, +Holland, and even England, but can find none. It cannot be expected +that either will engage; yet the French Minister has gone far towards +compromising his master, by augmenting the array to a war +establishment, and by threatening to shut up the Mediterranean Sea. + +In this posture of affairs, it is not surprising, that there should be +a fermentation at Versailles, and since my return to Paris, I find it +is the general topic of conversation. Monsieur de Breteuil, late +Ambassador to the Court of Vienna, who is supposed to be esteemed by +the Queen, and connected with her friends, is lately, about a +fortnight ago, called to the King's council, and the Maréschal de +Castries, who is in the same interest, is said to be new modelling the +subordinate offices in his department. + +From these, and many other considerations, it is generally concluded, +that Count de Vergennes' continuance in the Ministry is precarious. Mr +Hartley last night and today began conversation with me upon the +subject, and is very sanguine that his Minister will continue in place +but a very short time, and assures me that the Duke of Manchester is +of the same opinion. I pretend to form no opinion, because I have ever +carefully avoided conversations and connexions, which might be +misinterpreted into an attachment to persons or parties in this +kingdom. + +I know, that for the last nine months many sensible people have +thought this Minister in a tottering situation; others think he will +weather out the storm, which all people agree is preparing for him. +Time will discover. One thing is agreed on all hands, that he is not +in favor with the Queen, and as he has taken up the cause in a pretty +high tone against the Emperor and Empress, if he should be now +displaced, Congress, I think, may infer from it, that France will not +take a part in the war; on the contrary, if he remains, it is probable +she will. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday at Versailles, the Baron de Walterstorff came to me and told +me he had delivered to Dr Franklin, a project of a treaty between the +Court of Denmark and the United States, and asked me if Dr Franklin +had shown it to me? I answered him, that I knew nothing of it. He +said, he wondered at that, he presumed it was because of my absence at +the Hague, for that it had been shown to Mr Jay. There by the way he +was misinformed, for upon my return from Versailles, I called upon Mr +Jay on purpose to ask him, and he assured me he had not seen it. I +asked Walterstorff, if his orders were to propose his project to us +all. He said no, this Court had been informed, that Dr Franklin was +the Minister authorised and empowered by Congress to treat with all +the powers of Europe, and they had for this reason sent him orders to +deliver the project to Dr Franklin, but he supposed Dr Franklin would +consult his colleagues. The same information, I doubt not, has been +given to the Court of Portugal, and every other Court in Europe, viz. +that Dr Franklin is alone empowered to treat with them; and in +consequence of it, very probably, propositions have been or will be +made to him from all of them, and he will keep the whole as secret as +he can from Mr Jay, Mr Laurens, Mr Dana, and me.[11] + +Now I beg to be informed by Congress, whether he has such authority or +not? Having never been informed of such powers, I do not believe he +has them. I remember there was seven years ago a resolution of +Congress, that their Commissioners at Versailles should have power to +treat with other powers of Europe; but upon the dissolution of that +commission this authority was dissolved with it; or if not, it still +resides in Mr Deane, Mr Lee, and myself, who were once in that +commission, as well as Dr Franklin. And if it is by virtue of this +power he acts, he ought at least to communicate with me, who alone am +present. I think, however, that neither he nor I have any legal +authority, and therefore that he ought to communicate everything of +this kind to all the Ministers here or hereabout, Mr Jay, Mr Laurens, +and myself, at least. + +It is not from the vain wish of seeing my poor name upon a treaty, +that I write this. If the business is well done, it is not of much +importance in itself who does it. + +But my duty to my country obliges me to say, that I seriously believe +this clandestine manner of smuggling treaties is contrived by European +politicians on purpose, that Mr Jay and I may not have an opportunity +of suggesting ideas for the preservation of American navigation, +transport-trade, and nurseries of seamen. But in another point of view +it is of equal importance. This method reflects contempt and ridicule +on your other Ministers. When all Europe sees, that a number of your +Ministers are kept here as a kind of satellites to Dr Franklin in the +affair of peace, but that they are not to be consulted or asked a +question, or even permitted to know the important negotiations which +are here going on with all Europe, they fall into contempt. It cannot +be supposed that Congress mean to cast this contempt upon us, because +it cannot be supposed they mean to destroy the reputation, character, +influence, and usefulness of those to whom in other respects they +intrust powers of so much consequence; and therefore I am persuaded, +that Congress is as much imposed on by it as the Courts of Europe are. + +I asked the Baron, what was the substance of the treaty. He said his +Court had taken for a model, my treaty with Holland. I said nothing to +him in answer to this, but I beg leave to say to Congress, that the +negotiation with Holland was in very different circumstances. We were +then in the fiercest rage of the war. A treaty with that Republic was +at that time of as much weight in the war, as the captivity of +Burgoyne or Cornwallis. A treaty with any power was worth a battle or +a siege, and no moments of time were to be lost, especially in a +country so divided, that unanimity being necessary, every proposition +was dangerous. At present the case is altered, and we may take time to +weigh and inquire. The Baron tells me, that St Thomas and St John, two +of their Islands, are free ports, but that St Croix, which is of more +importance than both, is not. That foreign vessels, our vessels, are +permitted to bring our produce, and carry away half the value in +sugar, &c. The Island produces, _communibus annis_, twenty thousand +hogsheads of sugar, and their molasses is better than that of the +French, because they make only "_sucres crutes_." He says, they have +some sugar-houses at Copenhagen. But notwithstanding this, I think it +is worth while for Congress to try if they cannot, by the treaty, +obtain a right to take away cargoes, to the full value of those they +bring. It is worth while to try too, if we cannot obtain a tariff, to +ascertain the duties to be paid in exportation and importation. It is +worth while too, to endeavor to get the duties ascertained in the +Danish ports in Europe, at least that we may not pay in their ports +more than they pay in ours; or that our vessels may not be obliged to +pay more than theirs, especially when we import our own produce. I +pretend not to be a master of these commercial subjects, but I think +that Dr Franklin has not studied the subject more than myself, that +both of us need the advice of Mr Laurens and Mr Jay, and that all of +us want that of American merchants, and especially of Congress. I am +therefore against this secret and hasty method of concluding treaties, +at this time, when they may be more maturely reflected on. + +I know very well to what ill-natured remarks these reflections are +liable, but they shall not hinder me from doing my duty. I do +sincerely believe, there are clandestine insinuations going about to +every commercial nation in the world, to excite them to increase their +own navigation and seamen at the expense of ours, and that this +smuggling of treaties is one means of accomplishing the design, +although Dr Franklin may not be let into the secret of it. For, from +long experience and observation, I am persuaded that one Minister at +least and his dependants would prefer, that the navigation of any +nation in the world, even that of the English, should grow, rather +than ours. In the last _Courier de l'Europe_, it is said, that all the +commercial powers are concerting measures to clip the wings of the +eagle, and to prevent us from having a navy. I believe it. That is to +say, I believe measures are taken with them all to bring them into +this system, although they are not let into the secret design, and do +not know from whom the measures come, nor with what views promoted. + +With great regard, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[11] Franklin did not assume this authority, but reported to Congress, +that propositions for treaties had been made, and desired that +authority to conclude them might be sent to him, or _some other +person_. See on this subject, _Franklin's Correspondence_, Vol. IV. +pp. 74, 97, 99, 110, 114, 141. For the treaty with Sweden he had a +special authority. _Secret Journals_, Vol. III. p 240. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 15th, 1783. + + Sir, + +France, England, Spain, and America are all agreed; but Mr Hartley is +sanguine, that the treaty will not be signed, because, he says, the +Count de Vergennes does not mean to sign it. His reasons for this +opinion I know not, and I think he is mistaken. It is very certain, +however, that the French Minister is embarrassed, and would not, +perhaps, be sorry to find good reasons for postponing the signature +for some time. + +Congress may judge in some degree of the situation of things, by the +following conversation, which I had this morning with M. Brantzen, the +Ambassador Extraordinary from the States-General, to whom I returned +the visit he made me yesterday, when I was abroad. + +He told me, "that he was as far, and indeed farther than ever, from an +agreement with the Duke of Manchester. He had given up, he said, all +pretensions to a compensation for the unjust damages of the war, and +he had in a manner waived his claim of the restitution of Negapatnam. +But the Duke of Manchester now insisted peremptorily upon, not only +all the ancient salutations from the Dutch flag to the English, but +upon an unlimited liberty of navigation in all the seas of the East +Indies. He had despatched an express to the Hague the day before +yesterday, who would arrive today; but the Grand Pensionary was sick, +and the States of Holland not sitting; so that there must be some time +before he could have an answer. Concerning the salutes to the flag, +there would be different opinions, but they would be all of a mind +against the liberty of navigation in the Indies. He could not, +therefore, expect from their High Mightinesses permission to sign, and +the Count de Vergennes would be embarrassed. All the other powers were +ready, and to make them wait would raise a cry. + +"To sign without Holland would raise a terrible storm in Holland +against the Count, and no small one in France. And even, if the States +should authorise him to sign a shameful peace, this would raise no +less clamor in Holland and France against the Count. He will, +therefore, not know what to do, and will seek to postpone; for the +parties of the Marquis de Castries and of M. de Breteuil will take +advantage of every clamor against the Count, as these parties wish M. +de Breteuil in his place. I am persuaded, therefore, that the Count +himself looks upon his own situation as very hazardous. It has been so +a long time. It was his instability in his place that made him sign +the preliminaries, for money to carry on the war could not be obtained +without M. Necker, and M. Necker would not come in with the Count, as +they were and are sworn enemies to each other. He was, therefore, +reduced to the dilemma to make peace or go out. I have good reasons to +believe, that the Maréschal de Castries disapproves of the Count's +conduct towards our Republic. He certainly deceived me. The +States-General did very wrong to bind me to leave so much to the +French Minister; but I thought him an honest man, and that I could +trust him; so I left things to him, according to my instructions, +depending on his word, and, at last, I found myself the dupe. No, not +a dupe, for I am always upon my guard not to be a dupe. But he +deceived me; and when one, whom I have reason to believe an honest +man, deceives me, I cannot call myself a dupe, for I can do no other +than believe an honest man, when he gives me his word." + +In several of your letters, Sir, you have insisted on my reciting to +you my conversations with foreign Ministers. You must not esteem them +infallible oracles. They are often mistaken in their facts, and +sometimes wrong in their reasonings. But these sentiments of M. +Brantzen are of so much importance, that I thought proper to recite +them. It will, indeed, be necessary for your foreign Ministers to be +more inquisitive than we have been, and to transmit to Congress more +information concerning the intrigues of Courts, than we have done. If +the Maréschal de Castries and M. de Breteuil, who is now in the +Council, and M. Necker are not friends to the Count de Vergennes, and +all the world here agree they are not, Congress ought to know it. +Although I would have so much respect to the Queen, as not to name her +Majesty upon unnecessary occasions, yet, upon this, when she is sister +to the Emperor, and the question at Court is, whether there shall be a +war with her brother, it is obviously a matter of so much importance, +as to make it a duty to communicate to Congress her sentiments, which +all men here agree are favorable to de Castries and Breteuil, but not +partial to the present Minister of foreign Affairs. I said in a former +letter, if this Minister continues, there will be war; but I am told +by some, if there is war, he cannot continue; for neither he, nor his +friends, can raise the money. M. de Rayneval, however, affirmed +positively to Mr Hartley, that nothing but death could remove the +Count.[12] + +All these things show the critical and uncertain constitution of this +Court, and the uncertainty when the definitive treaty will be signed, +notwithstanding that four powers are agreed, and, therefore, I can +give Congress no clear information upon that head. This is a great +chagrin to me, both on account of the public and myself, because I am +as uncertain about my own destiny as that of the public. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[12] This affirmation was verified. The Count de Vergennes continued +in the Ministry till his death, which happened, February 13th, 1787. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 5th 1783. + + Sir, + +On Wednesday, the 3d day of this month, the American Ministers met the +British Minister at his lodgings at the _Hôtel de York_, and signed, +sealed, and delivered the Definitive Treaty of Peace between the +United States of America and the King of Great Britain. Although it is +but a confirmation or repetition of the provisional articles, I have +the honor to congratulate Congress upon it, as it is a completion of +the work of peace, and the best that we could obtain. Nothing remains +now to be done but a treaty of commerce; but this in my opinion cannot +be negotiated without a new commission from Congress to some one or +more persons. Time, it is easy to foresee, will not be likely to +render the British nation more disposed to a regulation of commerce +favorable to us, and therefore my advice is to issue a commission as +soon as may be. + +There is another subject on which I beg leave to represent to Congress +my sentiments, because they seem to me of importance, and because they +differ from many sanguine opinions, which will be communicated to the +members of that assembly from partisans both of England and France. + +In the late deliberations concerning an acceptance of the mediation of +the Imperial Courts, the British Minister refused it, and in the +conferences we had with the Count de Vergennes upon this subject, it +was manifest enough to me that he was not fond of our accepting it; +for although he maintained a perfect impartiality of language, neither +advising us for, nor against the measure, yet at last, when it was +observed that Mr Hartley was averse to it, he turned to Dr Franklin +and said, that we must agree with Mr Hartley about it, with such a +countenance, air, and tone of voice (for from these you must often +collect the sentiments of Ministers) as convinced me he did not wish +the mediation should take place. + +It was not a subject which would bear insisting on either way. I +therefore made no difficulty. But I am, upon recollection, fully of +opinion that we should have done wisely to have sent our letter to the +Imperial Ministers, accepting the mediation on our part. The signature +of these Ministers would have given reputation in Europe and among our +own citizens. I mention these, because I humbly conceive that Congress +ought, in all their proceedings, to consider the opinion that the +United States or the people of America will entertain of themselves. +We may call this national vanity or national pride, but it is the main +principle of the national sense of its own dignity, and a passion in +human nature, without which nations cannot preserve the character of +man. Let the people lose this sentiment, as in Poland, and a partition +of their country will soon take place. Our country has but lately been +a dependent one, and our people although enlightened and virtuous, +have had their minds and hearts habitually filled with all the +passions of a dependent and subordinate people; that is to say, with +fear, with diffidence, and distrust of themselves, with admiration of +foreigners, &c. Now I say, that it is one of the most necessary and +one of the most difficult branches of the policy of Congress to +eradicate from the American mind, every remaining fibre of this fear +and self-diffidence on one hand, and of this excessive admiration of +foreigners on the other. + +It cannot be doubted one moment, that a solemn acknowledgment of us by +the signature of the two Imperial Courts would have had such a +tendency in the minds of our countrymen. But we should also consider, +upon every occasion, how our reputation will be affected in Europe. We +shall not find it easy to keep up the respect for us, that has been +excited by the continual publication of the exploits of this war. In +the calm of peace, little will be said about us in Europe unless we +prepare for it, but by those who have designs upon us. We may depend +upon it, everything will be said in Europe and in the gazettes, which +anybody in Europe wants to have repeated in America, to make such +impressions upon the minds of our citizens, as he desires. It will +become us, therefore, to do everything in our power to make reasonable +and just impressions upon the public opinion in Europe. The signature +of the two Imperial Courts would have made a deep and important +impression in our favor, upon full one half of Europe, as friends to +those Courts, and upon all the other half as enemies. + +I need not explain myself further. I may however add, that Americans +can scarcely conceive the decisive influence of the governments of +Europe upon their people. Every nation is a piece of clockwork, every +wheel is under the absolute direction of the sovereign as its weight +or spring. In consequence of this, all that moiety of mankind that are +subject to the two imperial Courts and their allies, would, in +consequence of their mediation have been openly and decidedly our +friends at this hour, and the other half of Europe would certainly +have respected us more for this. But at present, the two Imperial +Courts not having signed the treaty, all their friends are left in a +state of doubt and timidity concerning us. From all the conversations +I have had with the Count de Mercy and M. Markoff, it is certain that +the two Courts wished, as these Ministers certainly were ambitious to, +sign our treaty. They and their sovereigns wished that their names +might be read in America, and there respected as our friends. But this +is now past. England and France will be most perfectly united in all +artifices and endeavors to keep down our reputation at home and +abroad, to mortify our self-conceit, and to lessen us in the opinion +of the world. If we will not see, we must be the dupes; we need not, +for we have in our own power, with the common blessing, the means of +everything we want. There is but one course now left to retrieve the +error, and that is to send a Minister to Vienna with power to make a +treaty with both the Imperial Courts. Congress must send a Minister +first, or it will never be done. The Emperor never sends first, nor +will England ever send a Minister to America, until Congress shall +have sent one to London. + +To form immediate commercial connexions with that half of Europe, +which ever has been, and with little variations ever will be, opposite +to the House of Bourbon, is a fundamental maxim of that system of +American politics, which I have pursued invariably from the beginning +of this war. It is the only means of preserving the respect of the +House of Bourbon itself; it is the only means in conjunction with our +connexions with the House of Bourbon, already formed, to secure us the +respect of England for any length of time, and to keep us out of +another war with that kingdom. It is, in short, the only possible +means of securing to our country that peace, neutrality, impartiality, +and indifference in European wars, which, in my opinion, we shall be +unwise in the last degree, if we do not maintain. It is, besides, the +only way in which we can improve and extend our commercial connexions +to the best advantage. + +With great respect, I am, + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ELIAS BOUDINOT, PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 8th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday morning Mr Jay informed me, that Dr Franklin had received, +and soon after the Doctor put into my hands, the resolution of +Congress of the 1st of May,[13] ordering a commission and instructions +to be prepared to those gentlemen and myself for making a Treaty of +Commerce with Great Britain. This resolution, with your Excellency's +letter, arrived very seasonably, as Mr Hartley was setting off for +London with information from us, that our powers were executed. + +I am very sensible of the honor, that is done me by this resolution of +Congress, and of the great importance of the business committed to our +care; and shall not, therefore, hesitate to take a part in it. I can +attend to this business, and at the same time have some care of your +affairs in Holland; and in case the present loan should be full in the +course of the next winter, I can open a new one, either by going to +Amsterdam, or by having the obligation sent to me in Paris to be +signed. In this way there will be no additional expense to the public, +as I have informed M. Dumas, that there must be no expense made at the +Hague on my account, or on account of Congress, but that all his +expenses must be borne by himself, or he must at least settle them +with Congress. I have so much regard for this gentleman, and such an +opinion of his worth and merit, that I cannot but recommend him upon +this occasion to Congress, for the commission of Secretary of that +Legation, but as economy is and ought to be carefully attended to, I +presume not to point out the salary, which will be proper. There are +so many ways of pillaging public men in Europe, that it will be +difficult for Congress to conceive the expenses, which are unavoidable +in these countries. + +If the principle of economy should restrain Congress from sending +Ministers to Vienna, Petersburg, Copenhagen and Lisbon, they will +probably send a commission to Paris to negotiate treaties there, +because I think it will appear to be of great importance, both in a +political and commercial light, to have treaties with these powers. If +this should be the case, as three of us will be now obliged to attend +at Paris the tedious negotiation with every Court, we can all at the +same time and with the same expense attend to the negotiations with +the other powers; which will afford to all an opportunity of throwing +in any hints, which may occur for the public good, and will have a +much better appearance in the eyes of Europe and America. I do not +hesitate, therefore, to request, that if such a commission or +commissions should be sent, that all your Ministers in Europe may be +inserted in it. If the arrangement should make any difficulty in +America, it will make none with me; for although I think there was +good reason for the order in which the names stand in the new +commission for peace, and in the resolution for a new commission for a +treaty of commerce, that reason will not exist in any future +commission. + +Mr Hartley's powers are sufficient to go through the negotiation with +us, and I suppose it will be chiefly conducted at Paris, yet we may +all think it proper to make a tour to London, for a few weeks +especially, in case any material obstacle should arise. We are told, +that such a visit would have a good effect at Court and with the +nation; at least, it seems clear it would do no harm. + +With the greatest respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, Sir, +your most obedient and most humble servant, + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[13] "Ordered, That a commission be prepared to John Adams, Benjamin +Franklin, and John Jay, authorising them, or either of them in the +absence of the others, to enter into a treaty of commerce between the +United States of America and Great Britain, subject to the revisal of +the contracting parties previous to its final conclusion; and, in the +meantime, to enter into a commercial convention, to continue in force +one year." + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 8th, 1783. + + Sir, + +As the resolution of Congress of the 1st of May has determined it to +be my duty to remain in Europe, at least another winter, I shall be +obliged to say many things to your Excellency by letter, which I +hoped to have had the honor of saying upon the floor of your house. +Some of these things may be thought at first of little consequence, +but time, and inquiry, and consideration, will show them to have +weight. Of this sort, is the subject of this letter. + +The views and designs, the intrigues and projects of Courts, are let +out by insensible degrees, and with infinite art and delicacy in the +gazettes. + +These channels of communication are very numerous; and they are +artificially complicated in such a manner, that very few persons are +able to trace the sources from whence insinuations and projects flow. +The English papers are an engine, by which everything is scattered all +over the world. They are open and free. The eyes of mankind are fixed +upon them. They are taken by all Courts and all politicians, and by +almost all gazetteers. Of these papers, the French emissaries in +London, even in time of war, but especially in time of peace, make a +very great use; they insert in them things which they wish to have +circulated far and wide. Some of the paragraphs inserted in them will +do to circulate through all Europe, and some will not do in the +_Courier de l'Europe_. This is the most artful paper in the world; it +is continually accommodating between the French and English Ministry. +If it should offend the English essentially, the Ministry would +prevent its publication; if it should sin against the French +unpardonably, the Ministry would instantly stop its circulation; it +is, therefore, continually under the influence of the French +Ministers, whose under-workers have many things translated into it +from the English papers, and many others inserted in it originally, +both to the end, that they may be circulated over the world, and +particularly that they may be seen by the King of France, who reads +this paper constantly. From the English papers and the _Courier de +l'Europe_, many things are transferred into various other gazettes, +the _Courier du Bas Rhin_, the _Gazette de Deux Ponts_, the _Courier +d'Avignon_, and the _Gazette des Pays Bas_. The Gazettes of Leyden and +Amsterdam, are sometimes used for the more grave and solid objects, +those of Deux Ponts and d'Avignon for popular topics, the small talk +of coffee-houses, and still smaller and lower circles. + +All these papers and many others discover a perpetual complaisance for +the French Ministry, because they are always in their power so +entirely, that if an offensive paragraph appears, the entrance and +distribution of the gazette may be stopped by an order from Court, by +which the gazetteer loses the sale of his paper in France, which is a +great pecuniary object. Whoever shall hereafter come to Europe in any +public employment, and take in the papers above enumerated, will +acknowledge his obligations to me for mentioning them. He will find +them a constant source of amusement, and sometimes of useful +discoveries. I may hereafter possibly entertain Congress with some +curious speculations from these gazettes, which have all their +attention fixed upon us, and very often honor us with their +animadversions, sometimes with their grave counsels, but oftener still +with very subtle and sly insinuations. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +As I am to remain in Europe for some time longer, I beg leave to take +a cursory view of what appears necessary or expedient to be further +done in Europe; for I conceive it to be not only the right but the +duty of a Foreign Minister, to advise his Sovereign, according to his +lights and judgments, although the more extensive information and +superior wisdom of the Sovereign, may frequently see cause to pursue a +different conduct. + +With Spain no doubt Congress will negotiate by a particular Minister, +either the present one or another, and perhaps it would be proper that +the same should treat with Naples. With the two Empires, Prussia, +Denmark, Portugal, Sardinia and Tuscany, I humbly conceive, it might +be proper to negotiate, and perhaps with Hamburg; but there are other +powers with whom it is more necessary to have treaties than it ought +to be, I mean Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli. + +I presume that Congress will not think it expedient to be at the +expense of sending Ministers to all these powers, if to any. Perhaps +in the present state of our finances it may not be worth while to send +any. Yet the present time is the best to negotiate with all. I submit +it to consideration then, whether it is not advisable to send a +commission to such Minister as you judge proper, with full powers to +treat with all, to the Ministers now in Paris, or to any others. But I +humbly conceive, that if powers to treat with all or any of these +States are sent to any of your Ministers now here, it would be for the +public good, that they should be sent to all. If Congress can find +funds to treat with the Barbary Powers, the Ministers here are the +best situated, for they should apply to the Court of Versailles and +their High Mightinesses in the first place, that orders should be sent +to their Consuls according to treaties to assist us. Ministers here +may carry on this negotiation by letters, or may be empowered to send +an agent if necessary. I have no private interest in this business. My +salary will be the same, my expenses more, and labor much increased by +such a measure. But as it is of public importance, I think, that no +unnecessary delicacies should restrain me from suggesting these hints +to Congress. Whatever their determination may be, will be satisfactory +to me. + +I have the honor to be, with the greatest respect, your Excellency's, +&c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + + + +THE + +CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN JAY; + + +MINISTER PLENIPOTENTIARY TO THE COURT OF SPAIN, AND ONE OF THE +COMMISSIONERS FOR NEGOTIATING PEACE. + + + + +John Jay was a member of the first Congress, which assembled at +Philadelphia in September, 1774, having been, with four other persons, +chosen a delegate from the city and county of New York. He was also in +the Congress of the following year, but after the organization of the +government of New York he was made Chief Justice of the State, and +retired from Congress. On the 21st of October, 1778, even while he +held the office of Chief Justice, he was elected by the Assembly a +delegate to Congress for a specific object, till the first of March +following. The Assembly at the same time declared, that by the +constitution of New York both these stations were consistent with each +other. + +Mr Jay joined the Congress on the 7th of December, and was elected +President of that body three days afterwards, as the successor of +Henry Laurens. He discharged this office with great dignity and credit +to himself till September 27th, 1779, when he was appointed Minister +Plenipotentiary to negotiate a treaty of amity and alliance with +Spain. He sailed for France about the first of November in the same +ship with M. Gerard, who had been the late French Minister in the +United States. Accidents at sea compelled the Captain of the vessel to +put into Martinique, whence Mr Jay sailed in another vessel for +Europe, and arrived at Cadiz on the 22d of January, 1780. Here he +remained between two and three months, and then proceeded to Madrid, +and entered on the duties of his mission. + +The two principal objects, which Mr Jay was instructed to obtain, were +a grant of aids in money and military supplies from Spain, to assist +in prosecuting the war against the common enemy, and a treaty between +Spain and the United States. After encountering for more than two +years innumerable embarrassments, vexatious delays, cold treatment, +and a provoking indifference, that would have exhausted the patience, +if not ruffled the temper of most men, he met with very little success +in the former object, and none at all in the latter. The Spanish Court +seemed nowise inclined to recognize the independence of the United +States, or to show them any substantial marks of friendship, and yet +there was evidently a willingness to keep on terms, and be prepared to +act according to the issue of events. Tardy promises of money were +made by the Minister, which he was reluctant to fulfil, and it was +with extreme difficulty at last, that Mr Jay succeeded in procuring +from his Catholic Majesty the pitiful loan of one hundred and fifty +thousand dollars. In the treaty he made no progress, but was put off +from time to time, with pretences as frivolous as they were insincere. +He was never received in his public capacity, nor in any other +character than that of a private gentleman empowered to act as Agent +for the United States. In short, it must be confessed, that the +conduct of Spain, in regard to this country during the revolutionary +war, was not such as to inspire the gratitude or respect of succeeding +generations. + +Meantime, on the 13th of June, 1781, Mr Jay was chosen one of the +Commissioners for negotiating a peace, when the parties at war should +be prepared for such an event. Having already made considerable +progress with Mr Oswald in the treaty; and being persuaded that the +British government were in earnest as to their professed desire for +peace, Dr Franklin wrote to Mr Jay requesting him to repair to Paris, +and join in the negotiation. He arrived in that city on the 23d of +June, 1782, and shortly afterwards engaged in the duties of his +commission with his colleague. Mr Adams did not arrive till the 26th +of October. The preliminary articles were signed on the 30th of +November. + +Mr Jay continued in Europe the year following, and signed, with the +other Commissioners, the Definitive Treaty, September 3d, 1783. +Several months previously he had asked permission to return home, but +he did not embark till June 1st, 1794. He arrived in New York on the +24th of July following. + +It having been understood that he would soon return, Congress had +elected him Secretary of Foreign Affairs on the 7th of May, as +successor to Mr Livingston, who had resigned some time before. He +accepted this appointment, and took charge of the office, which he +filled with the same dignity and ability, that had marked his conduct +in every public station. + + + + +THE CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN JAY. + + + INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY, MINISTER FOR NEGOTIATING + A TREATY WITH SPAIN. + + In Congress, September 29th, 1779. + + Sir, + +By the treaties subsisting between his Most Christian Majesty and the +United States of America, a power is reserved to his Catholic Majesty +to accede to the said treaties, and to participate in their +stipulations, at such time as he shall judge proper, it being well +understood, nevertheless, that if any of the stipulations of the said +treaties are not agreeable to the Court of Spain, his Catholic Majesty +may propose other conditions analogous to the principal aim of the +alliance, and conformable to the rules of equality, reciprocity, and +friendship. Congress is sensible of the friendly regard to these +States manifested by his Most Christian Majesty, in reserving a power +to his Catholic Majesty of acceding to the alliance entered into +between his Most Christian Majesty and these United States; and, +therefore, that nothing may be wanting on their part to facilitate +the views of his Most Christian Majesty, and to obtain a treaty of +alliance, and of amity and commerce with his Catholic Majesty, have +thought proper to anticipate any propositions, which his Catholic +Majesty might make on that subject, by yielding up to him those +objects, which they conclude he may have principally in view; and for +that purpose have come to the following resolution; + +That if his Catholic Majesty shall accede to the said treaties, and, +in concurrence with France and the United States of America, continue +the present war with Great Britain for the purpose expressed in the +treaties aforesaid, he shall not thereby be precluded from securing to +himself the Floridas; on the contrary, if he shall obtain the Floridas +from Great Britain, these United States will guaranty the same to his +Catholic Majesty; provided always, that the United States shall enjoy +the free navigation of the river Mississippi into and from the sea. + +You are, therefore, to communicate to his Most Christian Majesty the +desire of Congress to enter into a treaty of alliance, and of amity +and commerce with his Catholic Majesty, and to request his favorable +interposition for that purpose. At the same time, you are to make such +proposal to his Catholic Majesty, as in your judgment, from +circumstances, will be proper for obtaining for the United States of +America equal advantages with those, which are secured to them by the +treaties with his Most Christian Majesty; observing always the +resolution aforesaid as the ultimatum of the United States. + +You are particularly to endeavor to obtain some convenient port or +ports below the thirtyfirst degree of north latitude, on the river +Mississippi, for all merchant vessels, goods, wares, and merchandises, +belonging to the inhabitants of these States. + +The distressed state of our finances, and the great depreciation of +our paper money, inclined Congress to hope that his Catholic Majesty, +if he shall conclude a treaty with these States, will be induced to +lend them money; you are, therefore, to represent to him the great +distress of these States on that account, and to solicit a loan of +five millions of dollars upon the best terms in your power, not +exceeding six per cent per annum, effectually to enable them to +co-operate with the allies against the common enemy. But before you +make any propositions to his Catholic Majesty for a loan, you are to +endeavor to obtain a subsidy in consideration of the guarantee +aforesaid.[14] + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[14] The above is the form in which the instructions were reported by +a committee. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 20th, 1779. + + Sir, + +This is the only opportunity of transmitting a letter to Philadelphia +since our arrival; and as the route, which this is to take, will be +very circuitous and doubtful, it will be short and general. + +Having lost our bowsprit, all our masts, and many of our sails, as +well as split our rudder, off the Banks of Newfoundland, we steered +for this Island, and arrived yesterday afternoon. The Governor and +Admiral are at Port Royal. They are informed of our being here, and I +shall see them either at this or that place, according as we shall +find it to be their intention to come to the one, or remain at the +other. Till then, it must continue doubtful, whether we shall be able +to obtain a passage in a French frigate, or speedily refit our own; +neither of which can be done without the interposition of government. + +Two days hence, a vessel will sail for St Eustatia. I shall write more +particularly by her, and it is more than probable, that those letters +will come to hand before this. + +Yesterday, a fleet of twentyfive merchant-men under the convoy of a +frigate, bound from France to this place, were attacked on the +southern coast of Martinique, near Port Royal, by a number of the +enemy's ships of war from St Lucia. Fourteen merchant-men were +captured, and two driven on shore. The rest escaped during a very +severe action between three line of battle ships under Monsieur le +Motte Piquet, (who went from Port Royal to their relief) and double +the number of the enemy. This intelligence was communicated to me this +morning by the commanding officer here. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 22d, 1779. + + Sir, + +By a message received yesterday afternoon from the Marquis de Boulliè, +I find there is no reason to expect him or the Admiral here very soon. +We shall, therefore, set out for Port Royal early tomorrow morning, +and endeavor to get our ship refitted as soon as possible. She will +follow us in a day or two, and, as the enemy's ships of war are +frequently cruising near the Island, she will go under convoy; four of +them are now in sight of this town. + +It seems agreed on all hands, that the expense of refitting the +Confederacy will be very considerable. To reduce this matter to +greater certainty, I have desired the captain to make out an estimate +of his wants; he promised to prepare it, and give me a copy this +evening. If I receive it before nine o'clock, it will accompany this +letter, otherwise it will be transmitted by the next conveyance. + +The agent here tells me, he is without cash, and in debt on the public +account. I fear he has been neglected. I shall, however, defer saying +anything further on his subject till I shall be better informed. +Should an opportunity offer of writing to your Excellency from Port +Royal, I shall embrace it, if not, I shall take the first after my +return. As the government here will, I hope, advance the money +necessary for preparing the frigate for sea, I am anxious that you may +have the earliest intelligence of it, that timely provision may be +made for the payment. + +Of the fleet mentioned in my letter of the 20th instant, only nine +were taken or destroyed. + +_7 o'clock._--I had written thus far, when Captain Harding called upon +me. He has made out an estimate of the ship's wants, and given it to +Mr Bingham, without having made a copy for me, which it is now too +late to do to go by this vessel. + +On our return from Port Royal, the captain will transmit particular +accounts of everything respecting the ship, which he ought to +communicate. He has been too much engaged to prepare his despatches to +go by this vessel, and, therefore, postpones writing for the present, +especially as he would have leisure only to repeat the general account +of our misfortune contained in my letter. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 24th, 1779. + + Sir, + +My former letters to your Excellency of the 20th and 22d instant, (a +triplicate of the former, and a duplicate of the latter are herewith +enclosed) have already informed Congress of the disaster, which +imposed upon us the necessity of coming hither. But as that necessity +has been and still continues the subject of much inquiry and +investigation, it is proper that the facts from which it arose be +minutely stated. + +On the 7th day of November last, between the hours of five and six in +the morning, in latitude 41 03 N. and longitude 50 39 W. the Captain +being in bed indisposed, and the master and second lieutenant on deck, +the ship going nine knots an hour in a brisk breeze and rough sea, but +by no means hard weather, her bowsprit and all her masts gave way in +less than three minutes. The day was employed in clearing the ship of +the wreck, and getting up a little sail; towards evening a heavy gale +came on. During the night, the tiller was lashed fast, and she lay too +very well, the wind blowing hard at south east. The next morning the +shank of the rudder was found to be so much wrenched and split, that +the Captain then told me he thought it a greater misfortune than the +loss of the masts. There were two French gentlemen on board, who, it +was said, and I believe with truth, were well skilled in maritime +affairs, having been bred to that business from their infancy, viz. +Monsieur Roche, a Knight of the Order of St Louis, and a Captain +Remuy, of Marseilles. Either this day or the next, I am not certain +which, M. Gerard remarked to me, that without any previous counsel, +it seemed to be the unanimous opinion of all the naval officers on +board to go to the West Indies, and that he believed it would be best, +though he said he was at first inclined to oppose it. The first +expedient to steer the ship was by the cable and a spar; below the +split in the rudder there was a bolt with two rings, to which it had +been intended to fix a chain for the purpose of steering the ship in +case of such accidents, but the fixing the chains had been omitted; +through this ring the Captain passed a chain, and to each end of it +fastened a strong rope, which was conducted over the quarters, and +this was the second mode of steering her; but from the uncommon +breadth of the rudder by which its power became unusually great, and +the acuteness of the angle between it and the chains rendering a +greater force necessary than if it had approached nearer to a right +angle; the bolt, though to appearance a good one, broke nearly in the +middle, and came out. + +It seems the rudder of this ship was hung after she had been launched, +and that to do it the more easily an eyebolt had been fixed in each +side of the rudder below the shank; to these eyebolts two chains were +then fixed, which crossing the edge of the rudder in opposite +directions, were fastened to pennants made of cordage, provided for +the breechings of our twelve pounders. These pennants passed through +blocks at the end of spars, run out of the ports of the cabin. From +thence they were led through blocks in opposite ports of the main deck +to the capstan, by means of which they were very conveniently managed, +and the ship without much difficulty steered. Such however was the +force and wear they underwent before our arrival in calmer latitudes +and smoother seas, that they generally gave way every day or two; and +the Captain tells me, no less than six hundred weight of that cordage +has been consumed in that service. + +So great was the swell off the Banks, and so high, though not severe +the winds, that near a fortnight elapsed before the ship was put in +her present condition for sailing. The same obstacles also retarded +the repairing of the rudder, which after all was so weak that it was +not thought advisable to steer by the tiller, and to prevent any +further injury from its striking against the ship, which it constantly +did in calm weather, bags stuffed with oakum were placed on each side +of it, and a man employed night and day to tend them. + +Some days before the 23d day of November, the Captain told me, he +thought it advisable to call a council of his officers, and submit to +their consideration the propriety of continuing our course towards +Europe. M. Gerard shortly after mentioned to me the sitting of this +council, and said, he could assure me that the Chevalier Roche and +Monsieur Remuy would not give their opinions on the subject but in +writing, and on being requested to do it in writing by the Captain. +This intelligence appeared to me extraordinary, but as it was not +necessary that my sentiments relative to it should be known, I made no +reply to M. Gerard, but by degrees turned the conversation to another +subject; nor did I give the least hint of it to the Captain, but +observed a perfect silence relative to it. It appeared to me that +those gentlemen either overrated their importance, or entertained +improper ideas of the merit of our officers, and I confess it gave me +pleasure to hear that they were not consulted at all. + +The council of officers was held the 23d of November last. The +Captain gave me their report, together with a return of the provisions +and water on board, and assured me of his readiness to proceed to any +port whatever, that M. Gerard and myself should direct. I gave these +papers to M. Gerard, and although I did not think it expedient by +consulting the French officers to give them reason to suppose, that I +concurred in sentiments with them as to the importance of their +opinions, yet I told M. Gerard, I was well satisfied he should +communicate to them the report of our officers, and obtain their +sentiments on the question stated in it, and the better to enable him +to do it, I proposed that we should postpone the discussion of the +subject till the next day, or longer if necessary. He took the papers, +said it was very well, and that he would speak to those gentlemen. A +day or two after, being on deck, M. Gerard took me aside and gave me +the papers, telling me he had seen these gentlemen, and that they both +declined giving any opinion about it; that they had always been, and +still were, ready to do anything for the benefit of the ship; that had +they been requested to give their opinions while the matter was in +agitation, they would have done it; that it was now over, and +determined; that under these circumstances their opinion would be of +no avail, and that they did not choose, by declaring their sentiments, +either to confirm the report, or give it ineffectual opposition. M. +Gerard further intimated, that those gentlemen seemed to think their +giving their advice in the course of our troubles had given offence to +the officers of the ship; but I had never reason to think their +apprehensions well founded. Upon this conduct of those gentlemen, I +briefly observed to M. Gerard, that as they were passengers, we had +no right to demand their opinions, and that they had a right to +withhold them, or not, as they pleased, and for such reasons as they +might think proper; but that as the Captain of the ship had been +directed by the marine committee to obey such orders as he should +receive from us, it was necessary that in the present conjuncture we +should decide on the report; that the Captain, in my opinion, would +not be justifiable in further pursuing his course against the solemn +and unanimous opinion of all the officers, unless by our express +orders; and he would be culpable in changing it, without a previous +application to us for direction. M. Gerard observed, that he was +sensible of the honor done him by the order alluded to, but that it +was not convenient to him to give any opinion or direction on the +subject. It did not appear to me prudent to reply to this, and +therefore I took the first opportunity of turning the conversation to +another topic. As this circumstance prevented the Captain's receiving +any positive orders from us on the subject, he was of course left to +pursue his own judgment, but being desirous of my opinion, I gave it +to him, in the manner endorsed on the report of the council, of which +a copy is herewith enclosed. + +The reasons on which this opinion was grounded are, in part, contained +in this report, but there were others not mentioned in it. That +Congress may the better judge of their force, it is necessary that +they be informed of some previous circumstances. + +The first fair day after losing our masts, I went to the door of M. +Gerard's room on the deck, which was open, to bid him good morning. +Chevalier Roche was with him; they were conversing on the course most +proper for us to steer, and the port most proper to make for. M. +Gerard was for going to Cadiz; he had an excellent set of charts, and +he had then one of the Atlantic Ocean, with its American, European, +and African Coasts, and the intervening islands, before him. By the +assistance of this map we perfectly understood his reasoning. The +Chevalier at that time inclined to the West Indies, and I heard him, +on leaving the room, tell M. Gerard, that to endeavor to get to Europe +in the present condition of the ship, would be to "_run a very great +risk of perishing in the ocean_." Some time after this, M. Gerard +perceiving that I had adopted no decided opinion on the subject, (and +that was really the case) in the course of an evening he spent with us +in the cabin, (none of the officers of the ship being present) desired +me to attend particularly to his several reasons for going to Cadiz, +and consider them maturely before I made up my judgment. I promised +him to do it, and was as good as my word. He proceeded to observe; + +1st. That the distance to Cadiz and to Martinique differed but little, +and that no weighty argument could be drawn from this difference. + +2dly. That between us and Cadiz lay the Western and Canary Islands, +into some one or other of which we might run, if necessary. + +3dly. That if, on our arrival at either of these Islands, it should +appear impracticable or imprudent to proceed further, our persons at +least would be safe, and we might get to Europe in one of the many +vessels, which frequent those Islands; whereas, on the other hand, +there were no Islands between us and Martinique, and we should, in +steering southward, be obliged to run all that distance without +finding any place by the way, at which we might touch, or, in case of +danger, find shelter. + +4thly. That if calmer seas were our object, we should find them in +going eastward as well as southward; that we must not expect to meet +with the trade winds at that season but in a very remote southern +latitude; that in crossing the latitude of Bermudas, we should meet +with heavy squalls, and bad weather; that in the latitude between that +and the trade winds, we must expect variable winds, and particularly +long calms, which are often more dangerous, and more to be dreaded +than hard winds. + +5thly. That in a voyage to Cadiz, we should have nothing to apprehend +from the enemy, but to Martinique, everything. + +6thly. That if we should arrive safe at Martinique, we should probably +be detained there until next Spring; that the vessels, which usually +sail from thence for France every fall, would have departed before the +time we should reach the Island; that he had reason to believe it +would be very difficult, if not impracticable, to obtain a frigate, +and, among other reasons, urged the absence of Count d'Estaing, and +the improbability that any subordinate officer would undertake without +his orders to grant us one, even admitting what was very unlikely, +that one might be spared from the service. + +7thly. That the ship might remain long at Martinique without being +made ready for sea, for want of naval stores, provisions, &c. + +These were M. Gerard's reasons for our steering for Cadiz, by the way +of the Azores, and I do not remember to have afterwards heard an +additional one. Whether the French officers really thought them +conclusive, or whether they found it convenient to make a compliment +of their sentiments to a gentleman very able to serve them, is +uncertain; but I believe they in appearance inclined to M. Gerard's +opinion, and gave him implied reasons to think their sentiments +corresponded with his. + +The matter appeared to me in a serious light, and to require caution +on many accounts. Every consideration called me to Spain; private as +well as public good forbade a difference with M. Gerard. I had reason +to believe him well disposed towards me; I perceived, clearly, that he +could not with any patience admit the idea of being absent from Europe +at so important a season, and that he could scarcely treat with common +decency the reasons urged for going to Martinique. Hence it appeared +obvious, that should I be the means of his losing his objects, or +should any public inconveniences result from our not being in Europe +during the winter, I should be censured, not only by him, but by all +those who judge of the propriety of a measure only by its +consequences, of which number are the far greater part of mankind. +Thus circumstanced, I found myself in a very unpleasant situation, +without any way of extricating myself, but by agreeing to a sort of +middle proposal; viz. to order the Captain to land us on one of the +Western Islands, and then leave the ship to shift for herself. This +would have satisfied M. Gerard, and we should have been as good +friends as ever. I thought it my duty, however, to form my decision +carefully, and honestly, and abide by it firmly. It was that we should +proceed to Martinique. Some of the reasons for it are set forth in the +report of the council of officers. The whole together were briefly +these. + +1st. That the officers of the ship, including the carpenter, who were +to be presumed to be better judges than M. Gerard or myself, were of +opinion, that we ought not to attempt to go to Europe, and had this +reason stood single and unexplained, I should not readily have +ventured to reject it, especially as it appeared to me against the +interest of the officers to come to the West Indies, and I have heard +them constantly and uniformly regret the necessity of it; but I also +thought they decided on good grounds; for + +2dly. The rudder daily gave us infinite trouble, almost everyday a +pennant breaking, and on every such occasion the ship for some time +left to the direction of the wind and waves, a circumstance which +might be fatal in hard weather, and near land; the quantity of cordage +consumed in this way of steering; the doubt of our having sufficient +for the purpose without stripping the guns, which would thereby be +rendered useless; the rudder irons daily becoming more and more loose, +and, by the nails drawing out, opening a passage for the water into +the stem of the ship. By this circumstance our bread had been damaged; +the danger of our being obliged to get rid of the rudder entirely, and +steering only by the cable, which in northern seas, and winter season, +is very inadequate. This event would have arrived in case either of +the eye bolts in the rudder had given way, as the first mentioned one +had done, or the upper irons become entirely loose; and for this event +it was thought necessary to prepare, by removing the obstacles to +unhanging the rudder. Indeed the upper irons in the course of our +passage here, with fair winds and no storms, became so loose as to +render it necessary to lash the head of the rudder with ropes to a +bolt fixed for the purpose in the cabin floor. + +3dly. The sails we had left were bad, having been originally made, as +Mr Vaughan the second Lieutenant told me, of damaged canvass; they +frequently split; we had none to replace them, nor a sufficient stock +of twine to mend them, eight pounds only being left of the twenty odd +we brought from Philadelphia; nor were we much better supplied with +cordage, for which there was a daily demand and some of which was very +bad. + +4thly. Our jury masts were not calculated for hard weather, the +foremast being sprung a few feet below the top, and not able to endure +a hard storm. + +For these reasons the rough weather common in northern latitudes was +by all means to be avoided, and smooth seas sought. + +As to the conveniences to be derived from the Islands laying between +us and Cadiz, I took some pains to examine into that matter. We had +maps and descriptions of them all, and our master had been at many of +them. I found there was not a single harbor in any one of them in +which a ship could ride at anchor in every wind; on the contrary +neither of them has anything more than open roads, out of which it is +necessary for ships to make the best of their way, and put to sea +whenever certain winds blow, a task which our ship was very far from +being in condition to perform. + +From this and other circumstances it was evident we could not refit in +either of those Islands, not even so much as get a new rudder; for +admitting materials for the latter could be had, yet such was the +difficulty, if not impossibility, of hanging it in an open road, from +whence the ship was every moment exposed to the necessity of going to +sea by an unfavorable wind, that we could expect to derive no +advantage from these Islands, except the prospect of obtaining some +refreshments, which we could do without, and the value of which would +not have compensated for the risk of approaching them in our +condition. + +As to the idea of our steering that course with a view of being landed +on one of those Islands, and from thence going to Europe in another +vessel, leaving our own to her fate, no earthly consideration could +ever have reconciled me to it. The reasoning which was insisted on, +that our being seasonably in Europe was of more importance to the +United States than a frigate, and that in time of war, and for the +public good, lives were to be risked by sea as well as by land, was a +species of reasoning which applied to this case led to conclusions, +which never have been, and I pray God never may be, among my +principles of action. Had this plan of being landed on one of the +Azores or Canaries been adopted, we should have either landed the crew +with us or not; if the first, the frigate would have been given to +destruction. This appeared to me inconsistent with the public good, +because, if we reached Martinique, I had no doubt of a passage, and my +arrival in France eight weeks sooner or later did not appear to me of +equal importance to the United States with the frigate. Had the crew +been left on board, it must have been with a view of saving the ship, +either by her reaching Europe or the West Indies. The probability of +her effecting either became then a most important question, as the +lives of between two and three hundred Americans depended on the +event. Against it were opposed the dangers of the seas, and the want +of provisions; the former would have increased with the approach of +winter, and therefore the longer the ship was detained to the +northward, the more she had to suffer, and to fear. The frigate after +having landed us on either of the Islands, must either have gone on +towards Europe, or endeavored to get to the West Indies. + +All the considerations abovementioned opposed the first, and whoever +compares the time necessary for a voyage for a ship under jury masts, +and almost without a rudder, from the banks of Newfoundland to the +Azores or Canaries, and from thence to the West Indies, with our stock +of provisions, will find them inadequate to the purpose, and be +convinced of the cruelty of subjecting one's fellow citizens to such +extremities. For these reasons I positively refused to join in this +system. + +As to the position in favor of going to Europe, that we should find +the seas calmer as we advanced eastward, equally as we went southward, +all the officers of the ship testified against it, nor would they +admit that we had as much to dread from calms as from hard gales. The +supposed difficulty of obtaining a passage from Martinique made but +little impression on me. I could not suppose the Islands left +unprotected by ships of war, or that the commanding officer would +refuse to order a frigate on this service, if M. Gerard would +represent it to be of importance, which I was sure he would do. How +long our ship might be refitting here was not to be ascertained, but I +could not prevail upon myself to believe, that the King of France +would keep so considerable a fleet in those seas, without providing +for the usual accidents they would be exposed to from the sea and the +enemy. At the worst the ship would be in a safe port, and among a +people bound by treaties and by interest to afford aid and protection, +at least until Congress should be informed of her situation, and have +an opportunity of providing for her wants. As to ourselves, in case we +meet with the imagined difficulties respecting a passage, it would be +easy by passing over to St Eustatia to get very safely in a Dutch ship +to Holland. + +On these reasons the advice I gave to the captain to come here was +founded. I thought them right then, and was daily more and more +confirmed in an opinion of their propriety. In the course of our run +here, we had all the way fine, fair breezes; and, except in the +latitude of Bermuda, smooth seas and scarce any calms. The night +before we made the land, it was thought proper to lay the ship too, +after the moon set, which was between twelve and one o'clock, and she +continued in that position only four hours and a half. Such, however, +was the effect of it upon the rudder, and so much damage did it +receive from it, that had the ship continued as much longer in the +same state, it was agreed on all sides, that the rudder would have +been rendered useless. + +M. Gerard, hurt by being disappointed in his expectation of being +seasonably in France, and perhaps mortified at my preferring my own +sentiments to his, ceased to observe that cordiality and frankness, +which had before attended his conduct towards me. Nay, he once went +so far as to tell me I had my reasons for coming here. I appeared not +to understand him, and continued to endeavor to render the +conversation as light and general as possible. This was a tax imposed +on my feelings by regard to public good; as a private man, I should +have acted differently. + +Thus matters continued till about ten or twelve days before our +arrival here, when M. Gerard observed to me in the presence of the +captain, that it was time to think which side of the island of +Martinique it would be most prudent for the ship to go, the north or +south side, and proceeded to state the reasons which ought to induce +us to prefer the north; particularly, that in the present condition +of the ship, she would if she went to the south side be in great +danger of running by the island to the leeward; for that as we might +expect the wind at northeast, she would not be able to lay +sufficiently close to the wind, to reach Port Royal or St Pierre's; +besides, that she would be in danger of calms, and being in sight of +St Lucia, would be exposed to the enemy's ships of war, without having +reason to expect succor from any French ships of war; none of which, +he said, cruised off the eastern part of the island, between +Martinique and St Lucia. He then showed the advantages of going the +other side, by an enumeration of many circumstances, of which I have +notes, but which it would be too tedious to mention. The obvious +meaning of all this appeared to me to be, that we should direct the +captain to go to the northward of the island; but as I neither thought +myself authorised, nor found myself inclined to interfere with the +particular navigation of the ship, to which I was not competent, I +only observed to M. Gerard, that his reasoning appeared to me to have +weight; that it was a subject I did not understand, but that I thought +his observations merited attention. On this the captain remarked, and +I thought with propriety, that it was impossible to determine on which +side of the island it would be best to go, until we were at or near +the parting point, for that circumstances at present unforeseen might +render that way rash, which we might now think prudent; for instance, +an unexpected change in the wind, or the appearance of an enemy. He +therefore thought a decision on the question improper, till we arrived +off the eastern part of the island. This appeared to me so perfectly +reasonable, that I thought no more about the matter, and I did not +suspect that M. Gerard would have felt any further anxiety about it; +but it nevertheless so happened, that in the afternoon of the 14th +instant, there was a conversation in the cabin relative to a wager, +which of the two we should see first, land or a sail. In the course of +this conversation, M. Gerard observed, that it would depend on our +going on the north or south side of the island, and insensibly leaving +the subject of the wager, proceeded minutely to recapitulate his +reasons for the one, and his objections to the other. In the progress +of this disquisition, he grew warmer and warmer, and at length +addressing himself more particularly on the captain, said, he was +surprised that those facts and observations should meet with so little +attention; that he owed it to his conscience and personal safety to +mention and enforce them, and that he should represent the whole +matter to his Court, &c. The captain repeated what he had before said +relative to the impropriety of deciding on which side of the island we +were to go, until we had made the land, observed whether any vessels +were on the coast, and knew how the wind would be. He then questioned +some matters relative to the navigation round the island, on which M. +Gerard had insisted. + +For my own part, as the subject was so serious, I wished to be +informed of some others, which appeared to me to want explanation. The +captain had informed me, that the master had been at the taking of +Martinique last war, and was well acquainted with its bays, harbors, +and coasts. I desired the captain to send for the master, which was +immediately done. On this, M. Gerard more animated than usual, said, +he pretended to no extraordinary knowledge on the subject, but that he +had made inquiries, and was satisfied with the opinion he had given; +then repeated what he had before said, about his conscience, personal +safety, and Court, and was opening the door to go on deck, when I +asked him if he would not stay, and hear what the master had to say. +He said, no, he did not want to hear anything farther about it; he had +done his duty in delivering what he had to us, and we might do as we +pleased about the matter. I made no reply, but proceeded to examine +the master, and one of the lieutenants. On the whole it did not appear +to me necessary, but on the contrary invidious to give the captain any +positive orders on the subject; nor did I enter into any farther +conference respecting it with M. Gerard. I knew that no good would +result from altercation, and that the best way of treating +unreasonable propositions, cavalierly dictated, was silently to go my +own way, uninfluenced by them. + +This last business rendered M. Gerard still more dissatisfied with me. +We observed, nevertheless, and still observe great politeness towards +each other, but it proceeds more from the head than the heart. On +coming ashore, I flattered myself we should have left all these +controversies behind us; but this city was soon entertained with them. +The opinions of French officers were taken by M. Gerard about the +sufficiency of the rudder to have gone to Europe; the question about +the northern and southern navigation was stated and agitated. M. +Gerard claims the merit of having saved the ship, by having, as he +insinuates, dragged us into the measure of taking the northern +passage, &c. &c. As we are safe in the harbor, these matters are now +of no consequence, and therefore I constantly avoid the subject. How +they may be represented at Philadelphia is of some moment, and +therefore it appears to me expedient to trouble myself and Congress +with this narration. + +I cannot conclude this letter without expressing my satisfaction with +the attention and politeness observed by the captain and other +officers towards the passengers, as far at least as my knowledge +extends. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 25th, 1779. + + Sir, + +As singular instances of humanity and patriotism always merit, and +sometimes meet with public notice, I take the liberty of transmitting +to Congress a copy of the Rev. Mr Keith's narrative of the conduct of +a Mrs Smith, at New York, to the Americans there, who had been taken +at Fort Washington. + +Conversing, while at sea, with Mr Keith (our chaplain, who had been +one of those prisoners) respecting the cruelties exercised towards +them by the enemy, and the manner in which they were treated by the +inhabitants of the city, he mentioned the behavior of this Mrs Smith; +whose conduct appeared to me so remarkably liberal, disinterested, and +christianlike, that I desired him to commit it to paper, with a design +to enclose it to your Excellency. I know nothing more of this woman +than what Mr Keith told me; but, as from his profession and character +I am induced to credit what he says, I transmit this account of her, +that if, on further inquiry, it be found to be just, Congress may have +an opportunity of saving from poverty and distress a widow, who +generously divested herself of a decent maintenance, and applied it to +the relief of many citizens and servants of the United States, who +were then gloriously enduring the most extreme cruelties, for their +faithful attachment to the rights of their country and mankind. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 25th, 1779. + + Sir, + +I have done, what perhaps I shall be blamed for, but my pride as an +American, and my feelings as a man, were not on this occasion to be +resisted. The officers of the Confederacy were here without money, or +the means of getting any. The idea of our officers being obliged to +sneak, as they phrase it, from the company of French officers, for +fear of running in debt with them for a bottle of wine, or a bowl of +punch, because not able to pay for their share of the reckoning, was +too humiliating to be tolerable, and too destructive to that pride and +opinion of independent equality, which I wish to see influence all our +officers. Besides, some of them wanted necessaries too much to be +comfortable, or, in this country, decent. In a word, I have drawn on +the fund, pointed out for the payment of part of my salary, for one +hundred guineas in their favor, to be divided among them according to +their respective ranks. Indeed, it would have given me pleasure to +have done something towards covering the nakedness of the crew; but +the expense I have been put to by coming here; and the preparations +for another voyage, would not admit of it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 26th, 1779. + + Sir, + +On our arrival here, M. Gerard told me that he was about to write to +the Governor and Admiral at Port Royal, and asked me whether I also +chose to write, or would leave to him the necessary communication; +offering to mention to them whatever I might desire. As I was well +satisfied that he should take the lead in the business, I replied, +that I was obliged to him, but did not think it necessary for him to +communicate anything to those gentlemen from me, except our arrival, +and the confidence I had in their readiness to afford us aid. + +I thought it would have been improper to apply for a passage in one of +their ships, till I know in what time our own could be refitted, and +on this subject it appeared to me most advisable, that application +should be made by our agent here; and that I should reserve all +interference, till it should be rendered necessary by obstacles. Mr +Bingham accordingly wrote without delay to the Governor, and had +immediate and full assurances of his readiness to afford us every aid +in his power. Nothing now remained to be ascertained, but the time in +which the repairs could be made, and this depended on the state of +their naval stores. + +Mr Bingham went with us to Port Royal, on a visit to the officers of +government, (a compliment paid them by all strangers.) The Governor +again assured him, that everything should be done for the ship that +was possible, and some orders were given for the purpose. This passed, +I believe, without M. Gerard's knowledge. About two hours after our +arrival at Port Royal, he took me aside, observed that great +difficulties and delays would attend the Confederacy's refitting +there; that there were no masts or spars in store, and the expectation +of supplies uncertain; that an old mast of a merchant-man had been +purchased for one of their ships of war, and that a main yard for +another had been made of four pieces for want of a proper spar, and, +after some general hints about expenses, provision, &c. proposed, that +the frigate should be provided with a new rudder, and proceed to +America to refit. I objected, that, contrary to our expectations, the +English had an acknowledged superiority in these seas; that three +French frigates were at that instant flying from four ships of the +line, which were in full chase of them; that a frigate under jury +masts would find no safety in flight; that it would be more prudent +for Captain Harding to remain here without being refitted, till he +could get materials and supplies from America, or receive orders from +Congress, than expose his ship to such imminent danger, and, +therefore, that I could not possibly come into the measure he +proposed. + +M. Gerard replied, that she might be convoyed to sea by the French +squadron here; but this required no answer. It was not to be supposed, +that the French squadron, which, in their present state of +inferiority, choose to keep their eyes constantly on Port Royal, would +expose themselves to very unequal combat, for no higher object than +that of convoying the Confederacy seventy or eighty leagues off the +coast, or, that if they did, she would then be out of that degree of +danger, to which no ship in her condition ought to be exposed. +Besides, I could not reconcile it to the wisdom of France long to +leave their fleet here destitute of naval stores, or to disgust their +allies by a conduct neither just nor politic. We agreed to leave the +matter till the next day, when we expected to see the Admiral; but in +an hour or two afterwards the Admiral came in; and a very little time +elapsed when the Governor, and shortly after M. Gerard told me, the +"_whole arrangement_ was completed; that the same attention should be +paid to the Confederacy as if she had been a French frigate, and that +the Aurora, of thirty odd guns, should carry us to France." The fact +is, that the officers of government in general, and the Governor in +particular, are strongly attached to everything that is American. + +Our agent here is in high estimation. I really believe, from +everything I hear, that he has done his duty faithfully, and that he +well deserves the notice and approbation of Congress. This leads me to +take the liberty of remarking, that it would, probably, be much for +the public interest, if Congress were to pay off all private debts due +from them to subjects of France, and have none but national +engagements with that kingdom. The debts unavoidably contracted here, +for the outfit of the Deane, &c. ought certainly to be paid. Our +credit and reputation suffer from such delay. We sail tomorrow +morning, at six o'clock. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO ARTHUR LEE. + + Cadiz, January 26th, 1780. + + Sir, + +As a knowledge of the measures you may have taken and the information +you may have acquired, relative to the objects of your commission +from the United States of America to conclude treaties with his +Catholic Majesty, would probably enable me with greater facility and +advantage to execute the duties of my appointment, permit me, Sir, to +request the favor of you to communicate the same to me in such manner +as you may judge most prudent. + +I have in my possession some letters directed to you; they are +voluminous, and probably contain printed papers. They may also be +confidential and important to you. Under these circumstances I can +only judge of your inclination by what would be my own in a similar +situation. I should wish that they might be detained till I could have +an opportunity of directing the manner of their conveyance. Upon this +principle they shall remain among my papers till I receive your orders +what to do with them.[15] + +I am, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[15] See the answer to this letter in Arthur Lee's Correspondence, +Vol. II, p. 276. + + * * * * * + + TO THE COUNT DE VERGENNES. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +It is with very sensible pleasure that I commence a correspondence +with a Minister, of whose disposition and abilities to promote the +happiness of my country we have received repeated proofs, and on a +subject that affords His Most Christian Majesty an opportunity of +perceiving the desire and endeavors of the United States to become +cordial and steadfast friends and allies to an illustrious branch of +his royal house. + +By the treaties subsisting between His Most Christian Majesty and the +United States of America, His Most Christian Majesty, in consequence +of his intimate union with the King of Spain, did expressly reserve to +his Catholic Majesty the power of acceding to the said treaties, and +to participate in their stipulations at such time as he should judge +proper. It being well understood, nevertheless, that if any of the +said stipulations should not be agreeable to the King of Spain, his +Catholic Majesty might propose other conditions analogous to the +principal aim of the alliance, and conformable to the rules of equity, +reciprocity, and friendship. And the Deputy of the said States, +empowered to treat with Spain, did promise to sign, _on the first +requisition_ of his Catholic Majesty, the act or acts necessary to +communicate to him the stipulations of the treaties abovementioned, +and to endeavor in good faith the adjustment of the points in which +the King of Spain might propose any alteration, conformable to the +principles of equality, reciprocity, and perfect amity. + +But as the above reservation has always been no less agreeable to the +United States than to their great and good ally, both considerations +conspired in inducing them to make the first advances towards +attaining the object of it. And, therefore, instead of waiting till +the requisitions mentioned in the said article should be made, they +have thought proper to assure his Most Catholic Majesty, not only of +their readiness to comply with the terms of it, but of their desire to +obtain his confidence and alliance, by carrying it immediately into +execution on the most liberal principles. Trusting also that the same +wise reasons which induced his Most Christian Majesty to give birth +to the said article, would lead him to facilitate the endeavors of his +allies to execute it, they resolved that their desire to enter into +the said treaties should be communicated to his Majesty, and that his +favorable interposition should be requested. + +The more fully to effect these purposes, the Congress were pleased, in +September last, to do me the honor of appointing me their Minister +Plenipotentiary, and, in pursuance of this appointment, I sailed from +America for France on the 26th of October last, with M. Gerard, who +was so obliging as to wait till I could embark in the frigate assigned +for his service. After being thirteen days at sea, the frigate was +dismasted, and her rudder so much damaged that it was thought +imprudent to proceed on our voyage. We therefore steered for +Martinique, and arrived there on the 18th of December. I cannot, on +this occasion, forbear expressing my warmest acknowledgments for the +very polite attention and hospitality with which we were received and +treated, both by the officers of government and many respectable +inhabitants of that island. We left Martinique on the 28th day of the +same month, in the Aurora, in which I expected to have gone to Toulon, +but on touching at this place, it appeared that the further +prosecution of our voyage had become impracticable, without running +risks that could not be justified. + +Thus circumstanced, the respect due to his most Catholic Majesty +demanded an immediate communication of my appointment and arrival, +which I had the honor to make in a letter to his Excellency, Don +Joseph Galvez, of the Council of his Catholic Majesty, and general +Secretary of State for the Department of the Indies, of which the +enclosed is a copy. + +Will you, therefore, Sir, be so obliging as to lay this circumstance +before his Most Christian Majesty, and permit me through your +Excellency to assure him of the desire of Congress to enter into a +treaty of alliance, and of amity and commerce with his Catholic +Majesty, and to request his favorable interposition for that purpose? + +I am happy in being able to assure you, that the United States +consider a cordial union between France, Spain and them as a very +desirable and most important object, and they view the provision, +which his Most Christian Majesty has made for it by the abovementioned +article, not only as evinsive of his attention to his royal ally; but +of his regard to them. + +Under these views and these impressions, they are most sincerely +disposed, by the liberality and candor of their conduct, to render the +proposed treaties speedy in their accomplishment, and perpetual in +their duration. + +Your Excellency will receive this letter by M. Gerard, who is so +obliging as to take charge of it, and to whom the Congress have been +pleased to give such ample testimonies of their esteem and confidence, +as to enable him to exert his talents with great advantage on every +occasion interesting to them. + +I cannot conclude without indulging myself in the pleasure of +acknowledging how much we are indebted to the politeness and attention +of the Marquis de La Flolte and the other officers of the Aurora, +during the course of our voyage. + +With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO DON JOSEPH GALVEZ, MINISTER OF THE SPANISH COURT. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Permit me through your Excellency to have the honor of representing to +his most Catholic Majesty, that on the sixth day of February, 1778, +the respective Plenipotentiaries of his most Christian Majesty, and +the United States of America, by whom the treaties now subsisting +between them were concluded, did make and subscribe a secret article +in the words following, viz. + +"The Most Christian King declares, in consequence of the intimate +union which subsists between him and the King of Spain, that in +concluding with the United States of America this treaty of amity and +commerce, and that of eventual and defensive alliance, his Majesty had +intended, and intends to reserve expressly, as he reserves by this +present separate and secret act, to his Catholic Majesty, the power of +acceding to the said treaties and to participate in their +stipulations, at such time as he shall judge proper. It being well +understood, nevertheless, that if any of the stipulations of the said +treaties are not agreeable to the King of Spain, his Catholic Majesty +may propose other conditions analagous to the principal aim of the +alliance, and conformable to the rules of equality, reciprocity and +friendship. The deputies of the United States, in the name of their +constituents, accept the present declaration to its full extent; and +the deputy of the said States, who is fully empowered to treat with +Spain, promises to sign, on the first requisition of his Catholic +Majesty, the act or acts necessary to communicate to him the +stipulations of the treaties above written. And the said deputy shall +endeavor, in good faith, the adjustment of the points in which the +King of Spain may propose any alteration, conformable to the +principles of equality, reciprocity, and perfect amity; he the said +deputy not doubting but the person or persons, empowered by his +Catholic Majesty to treat with the United States, will do the same +with regard to any alterations of the same kind, that may be thought +necessary by the said Plenipotentiary of the United States." + +The Congress willing to manifest their readiness fully to comply with +an article, which they have reason to believe particularly agreeable +to their great and good ally, and being desirous of establishing +perpetual amity and harmony with a Prince and nation whom they greatly +respect, and with whom various circumstances lead them to wish for the +most cordial and permanent friendship, have thought proper to request +his most Catholic Majesty to accede to the said treaties, and thereby +preclude the necessity of that measure's originating in the manner +specified in the article. For this purpose they have done me the honor +to appoint me Minister Plenipotentiary, and directed me to communicate +to his Most Christian Majesty the desire of Congress on this subject, +and to request his favorable interposition. They also made it my duty +to give his Most Catholic Majesty the fullest assurances of their +sincere disposition to cultivate his friendship and confidence; and +authorised me, in their behalf, to enter into such treaties of +alliance, amity, and commerce, as would become the foundations of +perpetual peace to Spain and the United States, and the source of +extensive advantages to both. + +Thus commissioned I embarked without delay on board the frigate, which +had been appointed to carry the Sieur Gerard to France, and sailed +with him for that kingdom, from Pennsylvania, on the 26th day of +October last. + +But after having been thirteen days at sea, the frigate was dismasted, +and her rudder so greatly injured, as to oblige us to alter our course +and steer for Martinique. We arrived there on the 18th day of December +last; and sailed from thence on the 28th day of the same month in a +French frigate which was bound to Toulon, but had orders to touch at +this port for intelligence. We arrived here the 22d instant, and +received information of recent events, which rendered the further +prosecution of our voyage too hazardous to be prudent. + +Providence having thus been pleased to bring me directly to Spain, the +respect due to his most Catholic Majesty forbids me to postpone +communicating to him my appointment and arrival; and the same motive +will induce me to remain here till he shall be pleased to signify to +me his pleasure. For although nothing would afford me more sensible +pleasure, than the honor of presenting to his Majesty the despatches, +which I am charged by Congress to deliver to him, yet on this, as on +every other occasion, it shall be my study to execute the trust +reposed in me, in the manner most pleasing to his Majesty, agreeable +to the true intent and meaning of the article abovementioned. + +And that his most Christian Majesty may have the highest evidence of +the intention and desire of Congress fully and faithfully to execute +this article, I shall immediately do myself the honor of communicating +the same, together with my appointment and arrival; and I flatter +myself, that the request of Congress for his favorable interposition, +will meet with the same friendly attention, which he has uniformly +extended to all their concerns, and of which I am too sensible not to +derive the highest satisfaction from acknowledging it on every +occasion. + +Mr Carmichael, my Secretary, will have the honor of delivering this +despatch to your Excellency, as well as of giving every information in +his power to afford. This gentleman was a member of Congress at the +time of his appointment, and will be able more fully to express the +ardor with which the United States desire to establish a union with +France and Spain, on principles productive of such mutual attachment +and reciprocal benefits, as to secure to each the blessings of +uninterrupted tranquillity. + +I have the honor to be, with great consideration and respect, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +P. S. I do myself the honor of transmitting to your Excellency, +herewith enclosed, a copy of my letter to his Excellency the Count de +Vergennes. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +This morning M. Gerard set out from this city for France, and Mr +Carmichael, charged with despatches from me to the Spanish Ministry, +accompanies him as far as Madrid. + +We arrived here the 22d inst. and I have been so much engaged ever +since in preparing letters, &c. as not to have an opportunity of +writing circumstantially to your Excellency by Captain Proctor, who I +am told, is to sail early in the morning for the Delaware or +Chesapeake. + +We left Martinique on the 28th of December, in the Aurora frigate, +bound to Toulon. On touching here for intelligence we were informed +that the enemy had acquired a decided superiority in the +Mediterranean, and that the coast was infested by their cruisers, all +of whom we had fortunately escaped. Hence it became improper for me to +proceed to France by water, and it would in my opinion have been +indelicate, and therefore imprudent to have passed silently through +this kingdom to that, for the purpose of making a communication to his +most Christian Majesty, which could be fully conveyed by paper. On +this subject I shall take the liberty of making a few further remarks +in a future letter. + +Congress will be enabled to judge of the propriety and plan of my +conduct, from the papers herewith enclosed, viz. a copy of a letter to +M. Galvez, the Spanish Minister; a copy of a letter to the Count de +Vergennes; of both these I have sent copies to Dr Franklin; a copy of +a letter to Mr Arthur Lee; and a copy of my instructions to Mr +Carmichael. + +It is in pursuance of what appears to me to be my duty, that I shall +render frequent, particular, and confidential accounts of my +proceedings to Congress. I flatter myself care will be taken to +prevent the return of them to Europe. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + INSTRUCTIONS TO WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + +You will proceed to Madrid with convenient expedition, and, if M. +Gerard, with whom you set out, should travel too deliberately, I +advise you to go on before him. The propriety of this, however, will +depend much on circumstances, and must be determined by your own +discretion. + +On delivering my letter to M. Galvez, it would be proper to intimate, +that I presumed it would be more agreeable to him to receive my +despatches from you, who could give him information on many matters +about which he might choose to inquire, than in the ordinary modes of +conveyance. And it may not be amiss to let him know, that his not +receiving notice of our arrival from me by M. Gerard's courier, was +owing to a mistake between that gentleman and me. + +Treat the French Ambassador with great attention and candor, and that +degree of confidence only, which prudence, and the alliance between us +may prescribe. In your conversations with people about the Court, +impress them with an idea of our strong attachment to France; yet, so +as to avoid permitting them to imbibe an opinion of our being under +the _direction_ of any counsels but our own. The former will induce +them to think well of our constancy and good faith, the latter, of our +independence and self respect. + +Discover, if possible, whether the Courts of Madrid and Versailles +entertain, in any degree, the same mutual disgusts, which we are told +prevail at present between the two nations, and be cautious when you +tread on this delicate ground. It would also be useful to know who are +the King's principal confidants, and the trains leading to each. + +To treat prudently with any nation, it is essential to know the state +of its revenues. Turn your attention, therefore, to this object, and +endeavor to learn whether the public expenditures consume their +annual income, or whether there be any, and what overplus or +deficiency, and the manner in which the former is disposed of or the +latter supplied. + +If an opportunity should offer, inform yourself as to the regulations +of the press at Madrid, and, indeed, throughout the kingdom; and the +particular character of the person at the head of that department. +Endeavor to find some person of adequate abilities and knowledge in +the two languages, to translate English into Spanish with propriety, +and, if possible, elegance. I wish also to know, which of the +religious orders, and the individuals of it, are most esteemed and +favored at Court. + +Mention, as matter of intelligence, rather than in the way of +argument, the cruelties of the enemy, and the influence of that +conduct on the passions of Americans. This will be the more necessary, +as it seems we are suspected of retaining our former attachments to +Britain. + +In speaking of American affairs, remember to do justice to Virginia, +and the western country near the Mississippi. Recount their +achievements against the savages, their growing numbers, extensive +settlements, and aversion to Britain, for attempting to involve them +in the horrors of an Indian war. Let it appear also from your +representations, that ages will be necessary to settle those extensive +regions. + +Let it be inferred from your conversation, that the expectations of +America, as to my reception and success, are sanguine; that they have +been rendered the more so by the suggestions of persons generally +supposed to speak from authority, and that a disappointment would be +no less unwelcome than unexpected. + +I am persuaded, that pains will be taken to delay my receiving a +decided answer as to my reception, until the sentiments of France +shall be known. Attempts will also be made to suspend the +acknowledgment of our independence, on the condition of our acceding +to _certain_ terms of treaty. Do nothing to cherish either of these +ideas; but, without being explicit, treat the latter in a manner +expressive of regret and apprehension, and seem to consider my +reception as a measure, which we hoped would be immediately taken, +although the business of the negotiation might be postponed till +France could have an opportunity of taking the steps she might think +proper on the occasion. + +You will offer to transmit to me any despatches, which M. Galvez may +think proper to confide to you; or to return with them yourself, if +more agreeable to him. + +You will be attentive to all other objects of useful information, such +as the characters, views, and connexions of important individuals; the +plan of operations for the next campaign; whether any, and what secret +overtures have been made by Britain to France, or Spain, or by either +of them to her, or each other; whether any of the other powers have +manifested a disposition to take a part in the war; and whether it is +probable that any, and which of them, will become mediators for a +general peace, and on what plan. If the war should continue, it would +be advantageous to know whether Spain means to carry on any serious +operations for possessing herself of the Floridas, and banks of the +Mississippi, &c. &c. &c. + +Although I have confidence in your prudence, yet permit me to +recommend to you the greatest circumspection. Command yourself under +every circumstance; on the one hand, avoid being suspected of +servility, and on the other, let your temper be always even, and your +attention unremitted. + +You will oblige me by being very regular and circumstantial in your +correspondence, and commit nothing of a private nature to paper unless +in cypher. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL TO JOHN JAY. + + Madrid, February 15th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +I arrived in this city late in the evening of the 11th, after a +tedious and disagreeable journey. The next day, although much +indisposed, I waited on the French Ambassador, who had by a message +over night, requested M. Gerard to engage me to dinner. I was received +by him and all his family in the most friendly manner, and was offered +every service in his power, to render us without those personal +professions, which give birth to many unmeaning words and more +suspicion. Indeed, I have neither expressions nor time to represent +the apparent candor and liberality of his sentiments. He entered fully +into the good disposition of his Court, and informed me, that the +King, as a further proof of his friendship for us, had agreed to pay +us annually the additional sum of three millions of livres during the +continuance of the war, in order to enable us to purchase the +necessaries for our army, &c. &c. and that his Majesty had also +determined to send a considerable marine and land force early in the +year to America, to be at the disposition and under the direction of +our General. Seventeen sail of the line, and four thousand troops, are +also to be sent to the West Indies, if they have not already sailed. +Judge after this, if attention, candor, and apparent unreservedness, +were not the more necessary on my part. + +On inquiring, I found that M. Galvez was at the Pardo, about two +leagues from Madrid, where the King resides at present, and in the +course of conversation discovered, that the proper channel of address +ought to have been through the Count de Florida Blanca. + +The Ambassador offered to introduce me, but as this could not be done +with propriety without previous application, he undertook to make it +the day following, and to fix the time for my reception by both, and I +think the manner will be the sole difficulty. + +Among other circumstances, which induce this conclusion, is the +certain knowledge I have obtained, that M. Mirales received +instructions several months past to enter into engagements with +Congress, to take into pay a body of troops to assist in the conquest +of Florida. Your own good sense will point out the use, which may be +made of this intelligence. It answers to the point of the +instructions, which I had the honor to receive from you. The short +time I have been in this city has not hitherto given me an opportunity +of writing so circumstantially as I could wish, in the matters +abovementioned, and much less of giving a decided opinion on many +objects contained in your instructions. I find, however, hitherto no +difficulty in acquiring in time a knowledge on most of the subjects +recommended to my attention. + +I have reason to believe, that the same disgusts do not subsist +between the Crowns as between the nations, but the most perfect +harmony and good understanding. + +I have been positively assured, and from good authority, that no +overtures have been made for peace. + +The Dutch are arming, which is a circumstance in our favor, as their +preparations originate from their discontent with England, on account +of the late affair of the convoy. + +Mr Harrison is here, and proposes to proceed to Cadiz next week, which +will furnish me a good opportunity of writing to you. I enclose you +the last paper received from America; the people were in high spirits, +and everything in a good state in the beginning of January. + +I cannot conclude without mentioning the very polite manner in which +the French Ambassador offered his personal civilities in everything, +that depended on him, to be useful to you in this place. + +M. Gerard will write to you himself, yet I must do him the justice to +mention his personal kindness to me, and the candid representations he +has made in every public company here of the prosperous situation of +our affairs. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, February 20th, 1780. + + Sir, + +The papers herewith enclosed are duplicates of those, which I had the +honor of transmitting to your Excellency by Captain Desaussure. As yet +I have received no intelligence from Madrid, owing I believe to the +extreme badness of the roads. + +When at Martinique, I informed Congress by letter, dated the 25th of +December last, that I had drawn a bill in favor of the officers of the +Confederacy on Dr Franklin, for one hundred guineas. At the time that +letter was written, I had made the officers that promise, and had +directed the bills to be made out accordingly, but just as I was +coming away and closing accounts with Mr Bingham, he, perceiving that +the money I was about to draw for the officers was to come out of my +salary, in the first instance, was so obliging as to offer to advance +that sum on the credit of Congress, and thereby save me the necessity +of drawing. I accepted his offer, and gave notice of it to the +officers by Mr Lawrence, the clerk of the frigate. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA TO JOHN JAY. + + Translation. + + Pardo, February 24th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Having received by the hands of Don Joseph de Galvez, the letter which +your Excellency sent by Mr Carmichael, and having communicated the +contents to his Majesty, I have it in command to inform you, that his +Majesty highly approves the choice, which the American Congress have +made of you to the trust mentioned in your letter, as well on account +of the high estimation in which his Majesty holds the members who made +the choice, as the information he has received of your probity, +talents, and abilities. His Majesty also received with pleasure the +information of the desire which the Colonies have to form a connexion +with Spain, of whose good disposition they have already received +strong proofs. Nevertheless, his Majesty thinks it necessary in the +first place, that the manner, the forms, and the mutual correspondence +should be settled, upon which that Union must be founded, which the +United States of America desire to establish with this monarchy. For +this purpose there is no obstacle to your Excellency's coming to this +Court, in order to explain your intentions and those of the Congress, +and to hear those of his Majesty, and by that means settling a basis +upon which a perfect friendship may be established, and also its +extent and consequences. + +His Majesty thinks, that until these points are settled, as he hopes +they will be, it is not proper for your Excellency to assume a formal +character, which must depend on a public acknowledgment and future +treaty. But your Excellency may be assured of the sincerity and good +dispositions of his Majesty towards the United States, and of his +earnest desire to remove every difficulty, for the mutual happiness of +them and of this monarchy. This has been intimated to Mr Carmichael, +who can communicate the same to your Excellency, to whom I beg leave +to make a tender of my service, being, &c. + + COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + * * * * * + + TO WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + Cadiz, February 25th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +Your favor of the 15th instant was delivered to me last evening. I +congratulate you on your safe arrival, and hope the agreeable +circumstances of your present situation will compensate for the +fatigue and trouble you experienced on the way to it. + +It gives me pleasure to hear the French Ambassador has been so +obliging, and I am glad to find from your letter, that your +attentions to him at least keep pace with his civilities, especially +as you are no stranger to the distinction between the candor and +politeness of a gentleman, and that unbounded confidence which is +seldom necessary. + +The intelligence you received from him is so agreeable and so +interesting, that although the nature of it leaves me no room to doubt +of this having been signified by the Court of France to Congress, +either through Dr Franklin or the Count de la Luzerne, yet as +unexpected accidents may have retarded its arrival, I shall also +transmit it by a vessel, which will sail in a few days for Boston. + +I regret your not having been more particular on the subject of the +mistake you have been led to suppose in the direction of my letter, as +I wish to have the means of determining whether it was from decisive +authority that M. Gerard, whose opinion I requested on that subject, +without hesitation told me, that M. Galvez was the Minister with whom +all business with the United States was to be transacted, and urged +several reasons for his being of that opinion. From that gentleman's +knowledge of the Courts of Europe, and the departments established for +the despatch of business in each, particularly with that of Madrid, +with which his Court had been so long and so intimately acquainted, I +was induced to desire and confide in his information on that point. +Very conclusive reasons, therefore, are necessary to induce a belief +of his having been mistaken. But as it is of importance that all +errors of this kind be known, and, if possible, corrected, I must +request your attention to this matter in your next. + +I am at a loss to determine from your letter whether or not you have +sent my despatches to M. Galvez. From your not having seen that +gentleman, nor expecting to be introduced to him till the 17th +instant, I conjecture that my letter did not reach him till that day; +if so, I fear the delay will appear as singular to him as I confess it +does to me. It does the more so to me, as my letter would have +introduced you, and as you were apprised of my apprehension that pains +would be taken to delay my receiving a decided answer, as to my +reception, until the sentiments of France should be known. Perhaps the +advice you received, as to the time and manner most proper for the +delivery of it, was a little influenced by a desire of gaining time. I +wished to have felt the pulse of Spain, and, by their conduct on this +occasion, to have been enabled to determine whether their councils, +with respect to the United States, are in any and in what degree +independent of those of France, or whether directed by them. This +would have been very useful in the further progress of the business, +and might have been easily obtained, had my letter been delivered +immediately on your arrival, because in that case, before the +sentiments of the French Court could have been asked and received, +sufficient time would have elapsed to justify your applying to M. +Galvez for an answer; and, whatever that might have been, certain +inferences would have been deducible from it. For these reasons, and +not from an expectation of opposition from France, I regret this +delay. But as my conjectures may prove groundless, and if just, you +may have very cogent reasons, I forbear further remarks till I shall +again have the pleasure of hearing from you. + +Are you sure that the intelligence you heard respecting M. Mirales is +_certain_? I am sorry by this question to lengthen your next letter, +especially as writing in cypher is tedious and disagreeable. But that +intelligence is important; if credited, it may have an influence on +American measures, which, if it should be groundless, might be +injurious. The transmission of information to Congress, by which their +councils and determinations may be affected, is a very delicate +business, and demands the greatest care and precision. It is not +uncommon, you know, for one gentleman to think a matter certain, which +another of no greater discernment, and judging by the same evidence, +will deem somewhat doubtful. I would choose, therefore, with respect +to all interesting intelligence, and particularly such as I may +transmit to Congress, to possess as far as possible every circumstance +necessary to form a judgment of its credibility, such as the rank and +character of the informants, and the means they have of acquiring the +information they give, that I may represent it as entitled to that +degree of credit only, which, on full consideration, it may appear to +deserve. I observe this less with reference to the case in question +than as a general rule. Besides, as we correspond in cypher, no danger +can result from being explicit. + +I am well satisfied that the short time you had been at Madrid did not +admit of your writing on the several subjects contained in your +instructions, on all of which, if allowed sufficient time, I am +persuaded you will be able to obtain important information. However, +as the object of your going to Madrid was to prevent delays in my +receiving an answer to the letter to M. Galvez, the other +instructions, however important, are to be considered as secondary, +and though I wish that great and constant attention may be paid them, +yet by no means to the neglect or prejudice of the first. + +I am much obliged to you for the American paper enclosed in your +letter. Everything from our country is interesting. If you should find +any more of them, whose contents afford either information or +entertainment, send them, and you shall receive from me all I may meet +with here, which come under that description. + +The letter you gave me reason to expect from M. Gerard has not yet +arrived; perhaps the next post will bring it. On the first occasion I +have of writing to him, I shall take the liberty of mentioning the +sense you have of his personal kindness and attention to you. + +The polite offers of the French Ambassador to be useful to me in all +things that depend on him at Madrid, as well as his civilities to you, +demand my acknowledgments, which I must beg the favor of you to +present to him. + +I am, Dear Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, February 29th, 1780. + + Sir, + +I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency in the enclosed +papers,[16] all the intelligence I have received from Madrid. Mr +Secretary Thompson will decypher them. An opinion begins to prevail, +that America will be the theatre of war the ensuing campaign, and that +the islands there will be the principal objects of contention. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[16] See above, p. 207, Mr Carmichael's letter, dated February 15th, +and Mr Jay's reply, p. 211, dated February 25th. See also a letter in +_Carmichael's Correspondence_, dated February 18th. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, March 3d, 1780. + + Sir, + +Agreeably to my promise to the Marquis de la Flotte, I must inform +your Excellency, that a Monsieur Jean Guy Guatier, merchant at +Barcelona, recommended to the Marquis by Monsieur Aubere, the French +consul there, is desirous of becoming the consul of the United States +at that port. He had been encouraged, as M. Aubere says, to expect +this appointment by Dr Franklin, but as he supposed my arrival would +prevent the Doctor's interference, it became necessary to make the +application to me. I told the Marquis that my commission did not +authorise me to comply with his request, and that all I could do would +be to mention his friend's application to Congress. + +How far it may be proper to grant appointments of this sort to any but +citizens of America, is a question whose importance will not, I am +persuaded, escape the notice of Congress. A sensible, active consul is +a very useful officer in many respects, and has many opportunities of +doing essential services to those who employ him, or to whom he may be +most attached. It is most certain, that for want of proper persons +appointed to take care of our distressed seamen, who, escaping from +captivity at Lisbon, Gibraltar, &c. daily arrive here, America loses +many of them. Humanity as well as policy calls for this provision. I +have some of them now with me, destitute of bread and money, and +almost of clothes, and of the means of getting either, unless by +entering into the French or Spanish service. Such as may arrive here +after my going to Madrid will be friendless unless I employ some +person to take a little care of them, which I shall take the liberty +of doing, being fully persuaded that the same principles which press +me into that measure will induce Congress to approve it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, March 3d, 1780. + + Sir, + +Captain Morgan being still here, waiting for a fair wind, I have an +opportunity of transmitting to your Excellency a copy of a letter[17] +just come to hand from the Count de Florida Blanca, in answer to mine +to M. Galvez. + +Being apprehensive that if present I should probably be amused with +verbal answers capable of being explained away if necessary, until the +two courts could have time to consult and decide on their measures, I +thought it more prudent that my first application should be by letter +rather than in person. + +The answer in question, divested of the gloss which its politeness +spreads over it, gives us, I think, to understand, that our +independence shall be acknowledged, provided we accede to certain +terms of treaty, but not otherwise; so that the acknowledgment is not +to be made because we are independent, which would be candid and +liberal, but because of the previous considerations we are to give for +it, which is consistent with the principles on which nations usually +act. + +I shall proceed immediately to Madrid. There are many reasons +(hereafter to be explained,) which induce me to suspect that France is +determined to manage between us, so as to make us debtors to their +influence and good correspondence with Spain for every concession on +her part, and to make Spain hold herself obligated to their influence +and good correspondence with us for every concession on our part. +Though this may puzzle the business, I think it also promotes it. + +M. Gerard has often endeavored to persuade me, that a certain +resolution of Congress would, if persisted in, ruin the business, +which however he did not appear much inclined to believe, but, on the +contrary, that if every other matter was adjusted you would not part +on that point. I assured him that ground had, in my opinion, been +taken with too much deliberation now to be quitted, and that +expectations of that kind would certainly deceive those who trusted +them. And, indeed, as affairs are now circumstanced, it would, in my +opinion, be better for America to have no treaty with Spain, than to +purchase one on such servile terms. There was a time when it might +have been proper to have given that country something for their making +common cause with us, but that day is now past. Spain is at war with +Britain. + +I do not like the cypher in which I write, and shall therefore defer +further particulars till Mr Thompson shall receive the one now sent +him. + +I have the honor to be, with great respect and esteem, your +Excellency's most obedient servant, + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[17] See this letter above, dated February 24th, p. 210. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, April 6th, 1780. + + Sir, + +We beg leave to congratulate your Excellency on your safe arrival in +Europe. By principle warmly attached to the American cause, we could +wish that we saw our States in a situation to acknowledge the +independence of their sister Republic, and though we could only +cultivate private connexions as yet, we took the liberty to address +some intelligence to your Excellency when President of Congress. We +should reckon ourselves extremely happy to know whether our letter +came to hand before your Excellency left Philadelphia, and whether we +may form any hopes that our zeal may prove successful for the benefit, +as we intended, of both countries. + +Meanwhile we have the honor to be, with all possible regard, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + ANSWER TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, April 27th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +I have had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the 6th instant, +and am much obliged by your kind congratulations on my arrival in +Europe. + +The letters you mention to have written to Congress had been received +before I left Philadelphia, and referred to a committee. This mark of +attention was justly due to the interest you take in the American +cause, and the disposition you manifest to serve it. I presume that +the committee soon made a report, and that answers to your letters +have been written, although perhaps the many hazards to which letters +from America are exposed may have prevented their reaching you. + +When the rulers of your republic recollect in what manner and on what +occasion they became free, I am persuaded they cannot but wish +duration to our independence, nor forbear considering it as an event +no less interesting to every commercial nation in Europe than +important to America. These and similar considerations, added to the +injustice they daily experience from England, will, I hope, induce +them to call to mind that spirit of their forefathers, which acquired +a glorious participation in the empire of the ocean, and laid the +foundation of the commerce, affluence, and consideration they +transmitted to their posterity. + +Permit me to assure you that I shall consider your correspondence as a +favor, and that I am, with great respect, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 26th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Since my departure from America I have had the honor of writing the +following letters to your Excellency, viz. 20th, 22d, 24th, 25th, +25th, 26th and 27th of December, 1779, from Martinique; and 27th of +January, 20th, 28th and 29th of February, and 3d of March, 1780, from +Cadiz. I am still uncertain whether any, and which of them, have come +to your hands, and request the favor of particular information on this +subject. + +Of such of them as respect immediately the business committed to me I +now send duplicates, as well as copies of such other papers as, taken +collectively, will give Congress a full and accurate state of their +affairs here. + +This packet, of which an exact copy goes by another vessel, will +appear voluminous. It will nevertheless be found interesting. I have +interspersed such observations as to me appeared proper for the +purpose of explanation. + +On the 22d of January, 1780, I arrived at Cadiz, without letters of +credit or recommendation to any person there. The Chevalier Roche (a +passenger with us) was so obliging as to procure me credit for about +two hundred pounds sterling with a relation of his, to whom I was +obliged to give a bill on Dr Franklin at a more than usual short +sight. I afterwards became acquainted with the house of Le Couteulx +and Company, who offered me what money I might want, and furnished me +accordingly, with great cheerfulness. I was very disagreeably +circumstanced. + +Finding reports ran hard against American credit, and that bills on Dr +Franklin were held very cheap, by reason of his having, as was there +said, postponed, delayed, and in some instances refused payment of +them, on very frivolous pretences, I did, on the 26th of January, +1780, inform him by letter of my arrival, and of these reports. + +In answer to this, the Doctor, on the 7th of April, 1780, wrote me a +very friendly letter, asserting these reports to be false, and +enclosing a certificate of his banker, which proved them to be so. Of +this I have made the proper use, and as the same reports prevailed in +Martinique, and probably in the other islands, I wish the remedy to be +as extensive as the mischief, and therefore transmit the following +extract from his letter on that subject, and a copy of the certificate +mentioned in it. + + _Extract of a Letter from his Excellency Dr Franklin, + dated April 7th, 1780._ + + "The reports you tell me prevail at Cadiz, that the Loan + Office Bills, payable in France, have not been duly honored, + are wicked falsehoods. Not one of them, duly endorsed by the + original proprietor, was ever refused by me, or the payment + delayed a moment. And the few not so endorsed have been also + paid on the guarantee of the presenter, or some person of + known credit. No reason whatever has been given for refusing + payment of a bill, except this very good one that either the + first, second, third or fourth of the same set had been + already paid. The pretence that it was necessary for the + whole set to arrive before the money could be paid, is too + absurd and ridiculous for anyone to make use of, who knows + anything of the nature of exchange. The unexpected large + draughts made upon me by Congress and others, exclusive of + these from the Loan Office, have indeed sometimes embarrassed + me not a little, and put me to difficulties. But I have + overcome those difficulties, so as never to have been obliged + to make the smallest excuse, or desire the least delay of + payment from any presenter of such bills. Those reports must + therefore have been contrived by enemies to our country, or + by persons who proposed an advantage to themselves by + purchasing them at an under rate. Enclosed I send you a + certificate of our banker in refutation of those calumnies." + + + _Copy of the abovementioned Certificate._ + + Translation. + + "I, the subscriber, banker at Paris, and alone charged with + the payment of the bills of the Loan Office, declare, that I + have paid, without exception or delay, all such bills to this + date, accepted by his Excellency Dr Franklin; that, to my + knowledge, no such bill has been refused payment; but that + several have been presented after they had been once paid. + + "I declare further, that whatever is contradictory to this + present is false. + + "In testimony of which I have here signed my name at Paris, + this 15th of March, 1780. + + GRAND." + +It appearing to me of importance that I should as soon as possible be +informed of the measures, which Mr Arthur Lee might have taken leading +to a treaty between the United States and Spain, I did, on the 26th of +January, 1780, write him a letter, of which the following is a +copy.[18] + +Mr Lee, in answer to this, wrote me a polite letter on the 17th of +March, 1780. The following is a copy of it.[19] + +As, for reasons, which will appear in the course of the following +papers, and which I hope will meet with the approbation of Congress, +it became proper for me to remain in Spain, I apprised the Court of +France of it by a letter to his Excellency the Count de Vergennes, on +the 27th of January, 1780, of which the following is a copy.[20] + +The Count's answer to this is in the following words. + + Translation. + + "Versailles, March 13th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have received your favor of the 27th of January, and I am + fully sensible of the confidence you have reposed in me, by + communicating to me the object of your mission. You know too + well the attachment of his Majesty to the United States, not + to feel assured that he sincerely wishes you success, and + will be eager to contribute to it. The Count de Montmorin has + received instructions accordant with this disposition, and I + do not doubt that your confidence in him will enable him to + fulfil them to your entire satisfaction. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + DE VERGENNES." + +On the 9th of May, 1780, I replied to the Count as follows. + + "Aranjues, May 9th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The letter which your Excellency did me the honor to write + me, on the 13th of March last, was delivered to me by the + Count de Montmorin on my arrival at Madrid. + + "I should not have thus long delayed the pleasure of replying + to it, if I could have prevailed upon myself to have given + your Excellency complimentary professions, instead of sincere + assurances. Unreserved confidence in an Ambassador of our + great and good ally was just, as well as natural; and I am + exceedingly happy to find that personal considerations, + instead of forbidding, prompt it. M. Gerard, whose judgment I + greatly respect, had given me a very favorable impression of + this gentleman, and I am convinced from my own observation, + that he was not mistaken. His conduct towards me has been + that of a wise minister, and a candid gentleman. Your + Excellency may therefore rely upon his receiving all that + confidence from me, which these considerations dictate. + Permit me to add, that I never indulge myself in + contemplating the future happiness and independence of my + country, without feeling the warmest attachment to the Prince + and people, who are making such glorious exertions to + establish them. + + "With the most lively sentiments of respect and esteem, I + have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +I requested the favor of M. Gerard to inform me, to which of the +Ministers of Spain it would be proper to address any letters, which I +might think proper to write to that court. He told me M. Galvez, and +enumerated his reasons for thinking so. On the 27th of January, 1780, +I wrote a letter to that Minister. The following is a copy of it.[21] + +Mr Carmichael was the bearer of this letter, and as his going to +Madrid to expedite an answer to it would give him an opportunity of +acquiring, as well as giving information on several subjects, I gave +him the following instructions.[22] + +I have desired Mr Carmichael, for greater certainty, to give me notes +in writing of all the information he gained in pursuance of these +instructions, but he has postponed it for the sake of enlarging them +by some important additions. + +My letter to M. Galvez was answered the 24th of February, 1780, by the +Count de Florida Blanca, in the words following, viz.[23] + +To this letter I replied as follows, viz. + + "Cadiz, March 6th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have been honored with your Excellency's favor of the + 24th ultimo, which did not come to my hands till sometime + after its arrival. + + "The sentiments which his Majesty is pleased to entertain of + me, together with the polite manner in which your Excellency + has been so obliging as to express them, demand my warmest + acknowledgments, and give additional force to the many + motives, which render me desirous of a permanent union + between his Majesty and the United States. + + "The honor and probity, which have ever characterised the + conduct of Spain, together with the exalted reputation his + Majesty has acquired, by being an eminent example of both, + have induced the people of the United States to repose the + highest confidence in the proofs they have received of his + friendly disposition towards them; and to consider every + engagement with this monarchy as guarantied by that faith, + and secured by that ingenuousness, which have so gloriously + distinguished his Majesty and this kingdom among the other + Princes and nations of the earth. + + "Permit me to request the favor of your Excellency to assure + his Majesty, that the people of the United States are + convinced, that virtue alone can animate and support their + governments; and that they can in no other way establish and + perpetuate a national character, honorable to themselves and + their posterity, than by an unshaken adherence to the rules + which religion, morality, and treaties may prescribe for + their conduct. His royal mind may also be persuaded, that + gratitude will never cease to add the influence of + inclination to the power of dignity, in rendering them + solicitous for the happiness and prosperity of those generous + nations, who nobly strengthened their opposition to a torrent + of oppression, and kindly aided in freeing them from the + bondage of a nation, whose arrogance and injustice had become + destructive of the rights of mankind, and dangerous to the + peace and tranquillity of Christendom. + + "Having therefore the most perfect conviction, that the + candor and benignity of his Majesty's intentions are equal to + the uprightness and sincerity of those of Congress, I shall + set out in a few days for Madrid, with the pleasing + expectation that there will be little delay or difficulty in + adjusting the terms of a union between a magnanimous Monarch + and a virtuous people, who wish to obtain, by an alliance + with each other, only reciprocal benefits and mutual + advantages. + + "I have the honor to be, with perfect respect and + consideration, your Excellency's most obedient, and most + humble servant, + + JOHN JAY." + +On the 4th of April, 1780, I arrived at Madrid, and Mr Carmichael +delivered to me the following questions from the Count de Florida +Blanca, to which he had declined giving answers, viz. + + _Questions from the Count de Florida Blanca, dated the + 9th of March, 1780._ + + Translation. + + "Before entering into a discussion with Mr Jay or Mr + Carmichael, jointly or separately, on the subject of the + affairs of the United States of North America, and their + mutual interest with respect to Spain, it is judged + indispensable at Madrid, that the Catholic King should be + exactly informed of the civil and military state of the + American Provinces, and of their resources to continue the + present war, not only for the defence of their own liberty, + but also with respect to the aid and succors they may be able + to afford Spain in its operations, in case hereafter this + Crown should become the ally of America. The _Civil Affairs_ + ought to comprehend, + + "1st. A true account of the population and form of government + of each Province of the Union, and the resolution of the + inhabitants to continue the war with vigor, as long as it is + necessary. + + "2dly. Whether there is any powerful party in favor of + England, and what consequences are to be apprehended from it; + whether the heads of this party suffer themselves to be + seduced by the great promises of the British government. + + "3dly. A statement of the revenues of these Provinces, and of + their ability to contribute to the general expense; to which + may be added, whether they will be able long to support this + burthen, and even to increase it should it be judged + necessary. + + "4thly. A statement of the public debts, and of the + particular debts of each State, taken collectively or + separately, of their resources to lessen them, and the + possibility of their being able to support their credit in + all the operations of government, in the commerce of their + inhabitants, and above all in the protection of national + industry. + + "5thly. By what means, or with what branches of commerce, + will the States of America have it in their power to + indemnify Spain, whenever this power may second the views and + operations of the Americans; and particularly the Court + wishes to know, whether it may be convenient for the said + States to furnish ships of war of the best construction for + the Spanish marine, and likewise timber and other articles + for the King's arsenals, and the whole without loss of time, + and fixing the terms on which they would make an agreement of + this nature, and who would be commissioned to bring the + vessels and these naval stores to Spain. + + "With respect to the _Military State_ of America, it is + necessary to be informed first, of the number and strength of + the different bodies of troops armed by the Provinces, and of + their present situation, in order to judge whether they are + sufficient to oppose the enemy wherever they may go, and + particularly in Carolina and Georgia. + + "Further, it may be expedient to know the means of augmenting + the American army in case it is necessary, or to keep it + always on the same footing, notwithstanding its daily losses. + In what condition their clothing and arms are at present; + whether they are partly in want of those articles, and how + much it would require to remedy those defects. + + "The subsistence of an army being an object of the greatest + consequence, the Court desires to know if proper measures + have been taken for that purpose, that it may be ascertained + whether it can act everywhere, if necessary, even in the + above mentioned Provinces, without danger of being in want of + necessaries. + + "It is highly essential for the Provinces of America to keep + a marine to act against the common enemy, and to secure their + own possessions during the present war. The Spanish Minister + therefore is desirous of knowing its strength, including the + armed vessels belonging to individuals, and by what means it + may be augmented, and what succors will be necessary for that + purpose. + + "The Court of Spain, desirous of information on these + subjects with all possible frankness and precision, does not + pretend to dive into matters, which Mr Jay or Mr Carmichael + may regard as reserved to themselves. Its only aim is to be + acquainted with the present state of the American forces, + their resources, and ability to continue the war, so that if + it was in consideration for new allies to supply them with + succors of any kind, the former might be able to plan on + solid grounds their operations convenient for the common + cause, and for the particular advantage of these States, + without running the risk of being misled by false + calculations for want of foresight and proper information." + + "_Pardo, March 9th, 1780._" + +My answer to these questions is contained in a letter I wrote to the +Count de Florida Blanca, on the 25th of April, 1780; the removal of +the Court to Aranjues, and his attending the King at that time at an +annual chase, rendering it useless, and perhaps improper, to endeavor +to call his attention to these matters sooner. The following is a copy +of it. + + "Madrid, April 25th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "Mr Carmichael has delivered to me a paper he had the honor + of receiving from your Excellency before my arrival here, + containing heads of many important inquiries respecting which + it was thought necessary, that his Catholic Majesty should be + exactly informed before entering into a discussion with me + and Mr Carmichael jointly or separately, on the subject of + the affairs of the United States of North America, and their + mutual interest with respect to Spain; but that the Court, + though desirous of information on these several articles, + with all possible frankness and precision, did not mean to + dive into matters which Mr Carmichael and myself might regard + as reserved to ourselves only. + + "Being persuaded, that direct and accurate information + respecting the nature and extent of the commissions given to + that gentleman and myself, would be very agreeable to your + Excellency, I take the liberty of transmitting the following + copies of each. + + 'The delegates of the United States of New Hampshire, + Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, + Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, + Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and + Georgia, in Congress assembled, to all who shall see these + presents, Greeting. + + 'Whereas an intercourse between the subjects of his Catholic + Majesty, and the citizens of these United States, founded on + the principles of equality, reciprocity, and friendship, may + be of mutual advantage to both nations, and it being the + sincere desire of the United States to enter into a treaty of + alliance and of amity and commerce with his Catholic Majesty, + know ye, therefore, that we, confiding in the integrity, + prudence, and ability of the Honorable John Jay, late + President of Congress, and Chief Justice of the State of New + York, have nominated and constituted, and by these presents + do nominate and constitute him, the said John Jay, our + Minister Plenipotentiary; giving him full power general and + special to act in that quality, to confer, treat, agree, and + conclude, with the Ambassador or Plenipotentiary of his + Catholic Majesty vested with equal powers, of and concerning + a treaty of amity and commerce, and of alliance, and whatever + shall be so agreed and concluded for us and in our names, to + sign, and thereupon make such treaty or treaties, conventions + and agreements, as he shall judge conformable to the ends we + have in view, in as ample form, and with the same effect, as + if we were personally present and acted therein, hereby + promising in good faith, that we will accept, ratify, fulfil, + and execute whatever shall be agreed, concluded, and signed + by our said Minister Plenipotentiary, and that we will never + act, nor suffer any person to act, contrary to the same in + the whole, or in any part. + + 'In witness whereof, we have caused these presents to be + given in Congress, at Philadelphia, the 29th day of + September, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred + and seventynine, and the fourth year of the independence of + the United States of America. + + 'Signed by the President, and sealed with his seal. + + 'SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + 'Attest, CHARLES THOMSON, _Secretary_.' + + + 'The United States of America, in Congress assembled. To the + Honorable William Carmichael, a delegate in Congress from the + State of Maryland. Greeting. + + 'We, reposing especial trust and confidence in your + patriotism, ability, conduct, and fidelity, do, by these + presents, constitute and appoint you, during our pleasure, + Secretary to our Minister Plenipotentiary, appointed to + negotiate a treaty of amity and commerce, and of alliance + with his Catholic Majesty. You are, therefore, carefully and + diligently to discharge the duty of Secretary, by doing and + performing all things thereunto belonging, and, in case of + the death of our said Minister, you are to signify it to us + by the earliest opportunity, and on such event, we authorise + and direct you to take into your charge all our public + affairs, which were in the hands of said Minister at the time + of his death, or which may be addressed to him before notice + thereof, and proceed therein, according to the instructions + to our said Minister given, until our further orders. + + 'Witness, his Excellency, Samuel Huntington, President of the + Congress of the United States of America, at Philadelphia, + the 29th day of September, in the year of our Lord, 1779, and + in the fourth year of our independence. + + 'SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + 'Attest, CHARLES THOMSON, _Secretary_.' + + "The inquiries in question are numerous and important. They + do honor to the sagacity which suggested them, and, if fully + answered, would produce a very interesting history of the + present condition of the American States. On some of the + subjects proposed, I can give your Excellency full and + positive intelligence; on others, only general and by no + means precise information. On all, however, I shall write + with candor. + + "Such is the nature of the American governments and + confederacy, that the Congress, and all other rulers of the + people, are responsible to them for their conduct, and cannot + withhold from their constituents a knowledge of their true + situation, without subjecting themselves to all the evils, + which they experience, who substitute cunning in the place of + wisdom. Hence it is, that a knowledge of their affairs is + easily attainable by all who will be at the trouble of + collecting it, and as it is neither the policy nor + inclination of America to draw a veil over any part of their + affairs, your Excellency may be persuaded, that every + consideration forbids their servants, by a suppression, or + misrepresentation of facts, to deceive or mislead those whose + amity they so sincerely endeavor to cultivate, as they do + that of Spain. + + I. THE CIVIL STATE OF NORTH AMERICA. + + "Your Excellency has with great propriety arranged the + subjects of your inquiry under two heads; the _Civil_ and + _Military_ States of North America. The first of these is + again branched into several subdivisions, at the head of + which, is the + + _Population of each State._ + + "The exact number of inhabitants in the United States has + not, I believe, been ascertained by an actual census in more + than two or three of them. The only computation made by + Congress was on the 29th of July, 1775; the manner and + occasion of which exclude every suspicion of its exceeding + the true number. Congress had emitted bills of credit to a + very considerable amount, and were apprised of the necessity + of emitting more. Justice demanded that this debt should be + apportioned among the States according to their respective + abilities; an equitable rule whereby to determine that + ability became indispensable. After much consideration, + Congress resolved, 'that the proportion, or quota of each + Colony, should be determined according to the number of the + inhabitants of all ages (including negroes and mulattoes) in + each Colony,' but as that could not _then_ be ascertained + _exactly_, they were obliged to judge of, and compute the + number from circumstantial evidence. The delegates gave to + Congress an account of the population of their respective + Colonies, made from the best materials then in their power, + and so great was their confidence in each other, that from + those accounts that computation was principally formed. Your + Excellency will readily perceive, that the delegates were far + from being under any temptations to exaggerate the number of + their constituents; they were not ignorant, that by such + exaggerations they would increase their portion of aids, both + of men and money, and that whatever errors they might commit, + could not be rectified by an actual numeration during the + war. The computation then formed was as follows. + + New Hampshire, 124,069 and a half + Massachusetts Bay, 434,244 + Rhode Island, 71,959 and a half + Connecticut, 248,139 + New York, 248,139 + New Jersey, 161,290 and a half + Pennsylvania, 372,208 and a half + Delaware, 37,219 and a half + Maryland, 310,174 and a half + Virginia, 496,278 + North Carolina, 248,139 + South Carolina, 248,139 + --------- + 3,000,000 + + Exclusive of the inhabitants of Georgia, who were not at that + time represented in Congress, and of whose numbers I have no + information that I can confide in. + + _The Form of Government of each State._ + + "In the pamphlets I have now the honor of transmitting to + your Excellency, viz. No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, and No. 5, + you will find the constitutions of New York, New Jersey, + Pennsylvania, Delaware, and South Carolina. The others I have + not with me. The great outlines of them all are very similar. + By the last accounts from America, it appears that + Massachusetts Bay had not as yet agreed upon their + constitution, but had it then under consideration. + + "It cannot be necessary to observe to your Excellency, that + these new modes of government were formed by persons named + and authorised by the people for that express purpose; that + they were, in general, instituted with great temper and + deliberation upon such just and liberal principles, as on the + one hand to give effectual security to civil and religious + liberty, and on the other make ample provision for the rights + of justice, and the due exercise of the necessary powers of + government. + + "The articles of confederation agreed upon by Congress, and + approved by every State in the Union except Maryland, provide + for the general government of the Confederacy, and the + ordering of all matters essential to the prosperity and + preservation of the Union in peace and war. I ought also to + inform your Excellency, that the reasons why Maryland has as + yet withheld her assent to those articles, do not arise from + any disaffection to the common cause, but merely from their + not having adopted certain principles respecting the + disposition of certain lands. + + _The Union and Resolution of the Inhabitants to continue the + War with Vigor as long as may be necessary._ + + "On this subject I can give your Excellency certain and + positive information; the storm of tyranny and oppression, + which had for some years been constantly growing more black + and more terrible, began to burst with violence on the people + of North America in the year 1774. It was seen and felt and + deprecated by all except those, who expected to gather spoils + in the ruins it was designed to occasion. These were those + who enjoyed, or expected, emoluments from Great Britain, + together with their immediate dependants and connexions; such + as the officers of government throughout the Colonies, but + with some very distinguished exceptions; those of the clergy + of the church of England almost without exception, who + received annual salaries from the society established in + England for Propagating the Gospel in Foreign Parts; foreign + adventurers, buyers and sellers, who, being no further + attached to the country than as it afforded the means of + gain, soon prepared to speculate in confiscations, and + courted the notice of their sovereign by intemperate zeal for + the ruin of his subjects. With these exceptions, the great + body of the people moved together, and united in such firm + and considerate measures for the common safety, and conducted + their affairs with such regularity, order, and system, as to + leave no room to suppose them to be the work of only a + prevailing party, as our enemies have always represented and + affected to consider them. + + "There was, it is true, another class of persons not much + less dangerous, though far more contemptible than those I + first mentioned; persons who in every revolution, like + floating weeds in every storm, obey the strongest wind, and + pass from side to side as that happens to change. I mean the + _neutrals_, a pusillanimous race, who having balanced in + their minds the advantages and disadvantages, the gains and + dangers of joining either side, are seduced by their fears to + form a thousand pretexts for joining neither; who, to + manifest their loyalty to their King, when his armies were + successful, gave them every aid in their power, except + drawing their swords against their country, and who, when + their countrymen prevailed, were ready to render them all + possible service, except taking arms against their Prince. + + "The auxiliaries, whom the British measures and forces found + in the country, consisted of persons from these classes. And + although when these first appeared in, and wounded the bosom + of America, she was obliged to extend her arms to repel the + assaults of a foreign enemy, yet such was the union and + spirit of her inhabitants, that she was soon enabled not only + to put them under her feet, but on the ruins of her former + governments to erect new ones in the midst of invasions from + without, and treacherous combinations from within. Being able + to obtain no other terms of peace than unconditional + obedience, she had sufficient courage to declare herself + independent in the face of one of the best appointed armies + Britain could ever boast of, as well as sufficient strength + to limit its operations, and reduce its numbers. + + "It may perhaps be observed, that the first object of the war + was a redress of grievances; that the present object is + _independence_; and it may be asked whether the people are as + much united with respect to the last as they were with + respect to the first. + + "I am certain that the people of America never were so well + united as they are at present, in that of their independence. + Exclusive of actual observation on the spot, I think so + because, + + "1st. The Declaration of Independence was made by Congress at + a time, when the great body of their constituents called for + it. + + "2dly. Because that declaration was immediately recognised by + the general assemblies and legislatures of the several + States, without exception. + + "3dly. Because the successful army under General Burgoyne was + defeated and captured by a great collection of the + neighboring militia, to whom he had offered peace and + tranquillity on their remaining at home, terms which it was + natural to suppose a great many of them would have accepted, + had the Declaration of Independence been disagreeable to + them. + + "4thly. Because the Congress, consisting of members annually + elected, have repeatedly, expressly, and unanimously declared + their determination to support it at every hazard. + + "5thly. Because their internal enemies have been either + expelled or reduced, and their estates to a very great amount + in some of the States confiscated and actually sold. + + "6thly. Because constitutions and forms of government have + since been instituted and completely organised, in which the + people participate, from which they have experienced + essential advantages, and to which they have of consequence + become greatly attached. + + "7thly. Because Congress unanimously refused to enter into + treaty with the British Commissioners on any terms short of + independence, and because every State, though afterwards + separately solicited, refused to treat otherwise than + collectively by their delegates in Congress. + + "8thly. Because the inhuman and very barbarous manner in + which the war has been conducted by the enemy, has so + alienated the affections of the people from the King and + government of Britain, and filled their hearts with such + deep rooted and just resentments, as render a cordial + reconciliation, much less a dependence on them, utterly + impossible. + + "9thly. Because the doctrine propagated in America by the + servants of the King of Great Britain, that no faith was to + be kept with Americans in arms against him, and the + uniformity with which they have adhered to it, in their + practice as well as professions, have destroyed all + confidence, and leave the Americans no room to doubt, but + that, should they again become subjects of the King of + Britain on certain terms, those terms would as little impede + the progress of future oppression, as the capitulation of + Limerick, in 1691, did with respect to Ireland. + + "10thly. Because the treaty with France, and consequently + virtue, honor, and every obligation due to the reputation of + a rising nation, whose fame is unsullied by violated + compacts, forbid it. + + "11thly. Because it is the evident, and well known interest + of North America to remain independent. + + "12thly. Because the history of mankind, from the earliest + ages, with a loud voice calls upon those who draw their + swords against a Prince, deaf to the supplication of his + people, to throw away that scabbard. + + "13thly. Because they do not consider the support of their + independence as difficult. The country is very defensible and + fertile; the people are all soldiers, who with reason + consider their liberty and lives as the most valuable of the + possessions left them, and which they are determined shall + neither be wrested or purchased from them but with blood. + + "14thly. Because for the support of their independence, they + have expressly, by a most solemn act, pledged to each other + their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor; so that + their bond of union, for this very purpose, thus formed of + all the ties of common interest, common safety, mutual + affection, general resentments, and the great obligations of + virtue, honor, patriotism, and religion, may with reason be + deemed equal to the importance of that great object. + + _Whether there is any powerful Party in Favor of England, and + what Consequences are to be apprehended from it? Whether + the Heads of this Party suffer themselves to be seduced by + the Promises of the British Government?_ + + "What has been already said, on the subject of the union of + the people in North America, will I imagine in a great + measure answer these questions. + + "If by a party in favor of England is meant a party for + relinquishing the independence of the United States, and + returning to the dominion of Britain, on any terms whatever, + I answer there is no such party in North America; all the + open adherents of the Crown of Great Britain having either + voluntarily quitted or been expelled from the country. + + "That Britain has emissaries and masked adherents in America, + industrious in their little spheres to perplex the public + measures, and disturb the public tranquillity, is a fact of + which I have not the most distant doubt, and it is equally + true, that some of these wicked men are by a few weak ones + thought to be patriots, but they cannot with any propriety be + called a party, or even a faction. The chief mischief they + do, is collecting and transmitting intelligence, raising + false reports, and spreading calumnies of public men and + measures; such characters will be found in every country so + circumstanced, and America has not been negligent in + providing laws for their punishment. + + "The obvious policy of the Court of London has induced them + to boast perpetually of their party in America; but where it + is? of whom composed? what it has done, or is doing? are + questions to which they constantly give evasive answers. Much + also have they said of the numbers that have joined their + arms in America. The truth is, that at Boston, Rhode Island, + New York, and Philadelphia, they gleaned some of that refuse + of mankind, to be found and purchased by any body in all + commercial cities. It is also true, that some men of weight + and influence in the country, who joined the enemy on their + first successes, did draw away with them several of their + immediate dependents, whom they persuaded or otherwise + influenced to enlist in their service. To these may also be + added the prisoners, who at different times they forced into + their service by famine, and other severities too numerous as + well as barbarous to be here particularized. But I have no + reason to believe, that all these aids put together ever + exceeded three thousand men. This business, however, (except + with respect to prisoners,) has long been over, and before I + left America many of those deluded people had returned and + implored the pardon of their country. + + "In America, as in all other popular governments, your + Excellency knows there must and ever will be parties for and + against particular measures and particular men. The enemy, + adverting to this circumstance, have had address enough to + ascribe differences and temporary heats arising from this + source, in which they were not interested, to causes much + higher, and more flattering to their importance; and this + they have done with so much art, as to have imposed in some + instances on the credulity of men high in reputation for + sagacity and discernment. + + "If your Excellency will be pleased to peruse a pamphlet + marked No. 6, which you will find enclosed with the other + papers I herewith transmit, and entitled 'Observations on the + American Revolution,' you will perceive that nothing is to be + apprehended from this supposed party in North America. + + _A Statement of the Revenues of the States, and of their + Ability to contribute to the General Expense; whether they + will be able long to support this Burthen, and increase it + if necessary?_ + + "The Confederated States have no fixed revenues, nor are such + revenues necessary, because all the private property in the + country is at the public service. The only restriction + imposed by the people is, that it be taken from them with + wisdom and justice, or to be more explicit, that the sums + required be proportionate to the public exigencies, and + assessed on the individuals in proportion to their respective + abilities. + + "A nation can seldom be destitute of the means of continuing + a war, while they remain unsubdued in the field, and + cheerfully devote their all to that service. They may indeed + experience great distress, but no distress being equal to + that of subjection to exasperated oppressors, whose most + tender mercies are cruel, the Americans had little difficulty + in making their election. + + _A Statement of the Public Debts._ + + "This subject your Excellency will find fully discussed in an + address of Congress to their constituents, in which they + compute their debts, and mention the means they had taken to + preserve the public credit. It is also herewith enclosed, and + marked No. 7. + + _A Statement of the Debts of each particular State._ + + "Although exact accounts of these debts are contained in the + public printed acts of each State, yet as I neither have any + of those acts or extracts from them with me, and my general + knowledge on this hand is very imperfect, I am deterred from + giving your Excellency any information respecting it, by the + very great risk I should run of misleading you on this point. + + _The Resources to lessen these Debts._ + + "Taxes; foreign and domestic loans; sales of confiscated + estates, and ungranted lands. + + _The possibility of their supporting their Credit in all the + Operations of Government, in the Commerce of their + Inhabitants, and, above all, in the Protection of National + Industry._ + + "As to the possibility of supporting their credit in the + cases mentioned, there is no doubt it is very _possible_. How + far it is _probable_, is a question less easy to answer. If + the taxes called for by Congress last fall be duly paid, all + will be safe. But whether they have been paid or not I am + wholly uninformed, except that I find in a public paper that + Virginia had made good her first payment. As I daily expect + to receive advices from America on this subject, I shall + postpone saying anything further on it at present, but your + Excellency may rely on my communicating to you a full state + of what intelligence I may have respecting it. + + "As to supporting their credit in _commerce_, it is attended + with considerable, though not insurmountable difficulties. + They are of two kinds, the want of sufficient commodities for + remittances, and the risk of transporting them. North + America abounds in valuable commodities, such as fish, oil, + lumber, provisions of flesh and corn, iron, tobacco, and + naval stores, peltry, indigo, potash, and other articles, all + of which have greatly diminished since the war; the laborers + formerly employed in producing them having been often called + to the field, and by other effects of the war been prevented + from regularly following their usual occupations. Of some of + these articles America still produces more than is necessary + for her own consumption, but the risk of transporting them to + Europe renders her remittances very uncertain. The asylum, + which all British armed vessels find in the ports of + Portugal, enables them to cruise very conveniently and with + great advantage off the Western Islands, and other situations + proper for annoying vessels from thence to France, Spain, or + the Mediterranean. Hence it is that the trade from America to + St Eustatia has of late so greatly increased, it being + carried on principally in small, fast sailing vessels, that + draw but little water, and that the chief remittances to + Europe have been in bills of exchange instead of produce. + + "With respect to the protection of _national industry_, I + take it for granted that it will always flourish where it is + lucrative, and not discouraged, which was the case in North + America when I left it; every man being then at liberty, by + the law, to cultivate the earth as he pleased, to raise what + he pleased, to manufacture as he pleased, and to sell the + produce of his labor to whom he pleased, and for the best + prices, without any duties or impositions whatsoever. I have + indeed no apprehensions whatever on this subject: I believe + there are no people more industrious than those of America, + and whoever recurs to their population, their former exports, + and their present productions amidst the horrors of fire and + sword, will be convinced of it. + + _By what Means, or what Branches of Commerce, will the States + of America have it in their Power to indemnify Spain, + whenever this Power may second the Views and Operations of + the Americans?_ + + "America will indemnify Spain in two ways, by fighting the + enemy of Spain, and by commerce. Your Excellency will be + pleased to remark that Spain as well as America is now at war + with Britain, and therefore that it is the interest of both + to support and assist each other against the common enemy. It + cannot be a question whether Britain will be more or less + formidable if defeated or victorious in America; and there + can be no doubt but that every nation, interested in the + reduction of her power, will be compensated for any aids they + may afford America, by the immediate application of those + aids to that express purpose at the expense of American + blood. + + "Your Excellency's well known talents save me the necessity + of observing, that it is the interest of all Europe to join + in breaking down the exorbitant power of a nation, which + arrogantly claims the ocean as her birthright, and considers + every advantage in commerce, however acquired by violence, or + used with cruelty, as a tribute justly due to her boasted + superiority in arts and in arms. + + "By establishing the independence of America, the empire of + Britain will be divided, and the sinews of her power cut. + Americans, situated in another hemisphere, intent only on the + cultivation of a country more than sufficient to satisfy + their desires, will remain unconnected with European + politics, and not being interested in their objects, will + not partake in their dissensions. Happy in having for their + neighbors a people distinguished for love of justice and of + peace, they will have nothing to fear, but may flatter + themselves that they and their posterity will long enjoy all + the blessings of that peace, liberty, and safety, for which + alone they patiently endure the calamities incident to the + cruel contest they sustain. + + "While the war continues, the commerce of America will be + inconsiderable; but on the restoration of peace it will soon + become very valuable and extensive. So great is the extent of + country in North America yet to be cultivated, and so + inviting to settlers, that labor will very long remain too + dear to admit of considerable manufactures. Reason and + experience tell us, that when the poor have it in their power + to gain affluence by tilling the earth, they will refuse the + scanty earnings which manufacturers may offer them. From this + circumstance it is evident, that the exports from America + will consist of raw materials, which other nations will be + able to manufacture for them at a cheaper rate than they can + themselves. To those who consider the future and progressive + population of that country, the demands it will have for the + manufactures and productions of Europe, as well to satisfy + their wants, as to gratify their luxury, will appear immense, + and far more than any one kingdom in it can supply. Instead + of paying money for fish and many other articles as + heretofore, Spain will then have an opportunity of obtaining + them in exchange for her cloths, silks, wines, and fruits; + notwithstanding which, it is proper to observe, that the + commerce of the American States will forever procure them + such _actual wealth_, as to enable them punctually to repay + whatever sums they may borrow. + + _How far it may be convenient for these States to furnish + Ships of War, Timber, and other Articles for the King's + Arsenals, without Delay, and, if in their Power, on what + Terms?_ + + "I am much at a loss to determine at present, and therefore + will by no means give your Excellency my conjectures for + intelligence. + + "It is certain, that in ordinary times, America can build + ships as good, and cheaper than any other people, because the + materials cost them less. The ships of war now in her + service, as to strength and construction, are not exceeded by + any on the ocean. On this subject I will write to America for + information, and give your Excellency the earliest notice of + it. Naval stores, and particularly masts and spars, may + certainly be had there, and of the best quality, and I doubt + not but that the Americans would carry them to the Havana or + New Orleans, though I suspect, their being in a manner + destitute of proper convoys for the European trade, would + render them backward in bringing them to Spain, on terms + equal to the risk of capture, on the one hand, and the + expectations of purchasers on the other. + + II. THE MILITARY STATE OF NORTH AMERICA. + + _The Number and Strength of the American Troops, their + present Situation, and Ability to oppose the Enemy, + especially in Georgia and Carolina._ + + "Six months have elapsed since I left America, and I had not + seen a return of the army for some time before that period. + It did not, I am certain, amount to its full complement, and, + in my opinion, did not in the whole exceed thirty or + thirtyfive thousand men; I mean regular troops. + + "The Commander-in-Chief, whose abilities, as well as + integrity, merit the highest confidence, was authorised to + conduct all the military operations in the United States at + his discretion, subject, nevertheless, to such orders as the + Congress might think proper from time to time to give. It is + impossible, therefore, for me (not having received a single + letter from America on these subjects since my arrival) to + decide in what manner or proportions these troops are + employed or stationed, though I am confident it has been done + in the best manner. + + "All the men of proper age in America are liable to do + military duty in certain cases, and with a few exceptions, in + all cases. The militia is for the most part divided into a + certain number of classes, and whenever reinforcements to the + main army, or any detachment of it are wanting, they are + supplied by these classes in rotation. These reinforcements + while in the field are subject to the like regulations with + the regular troops, and with them submit to the severest + discipline and duty. Hence it is, that the people of America + have become soldiers, and that the enemy have never been able + to make a deep impression in the country, or long hold any + considerable lodgments at a distance from their fleets. + Georgia and South Carolina, indeed, enjoy these advantages in + a less degree than the other States, their own militia not + being very numerous, and speedy reinforcements from their + neighbors of North Carolina and Virginia rendered difficult + by the length of the way. They have, nevertheless, given + proofs of their spirit by various and great exertions, and I + have reason to believe, that all possible care has been taken + to provide for their safety, by furnishing them with a + proper body of troops under Major General Lincoln, a very + good officer, as well as a very good man. + + "Arms are still wanting in America, many of those imported + proving unfit for use, and the number of inhabitants who were + without proper arms at the beginning of the war, calling for + great supplies. The army, and a considerable part of the + militia, especially in the Northern States, have in general + good arms. + + "The article of clothing has been, and still is a very + interesting one to the American army. It is impossible to + describe, and, indeed, almost impossible to believe, the + hardships they have endured for want of it. There have been + instances, and I speak from the most undoubted authority, of + considerable detachments marching barefooted over rugged + tracts of ice and snow, and marking the route they took by + the blood that issued from their feet; but neither these + terrible extremities, nor the alluring offers of the enemy, + could prevail on them to quit their standard, or relax their + ardor. Their condition, however, has of late been much + bettered by supplies from France and Spain, and American + privateers; but adequate provision has not yet been made for + the ensuing winter, and I cannot conceal from your Excellency + my anxiety on that head. A supply of clothing for twenty + thousand men, added to what is engaged for them in France, + would make that army and all America happy. + + "I foresee no other difficulties in providing subsistence for + the American armies in every station in which they may be + placed, than those which may attend the transportation of it. + But when I reflect on the obstacles of this kind, which they + have already met with and surmounted, I have little + uneasiness about future ones. The last crops in America + promised to be plentiful when I left it, but whether there + would be any and what considerable overplus for exportation + was then undetermined, the damages done the wheat in + Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina by a fly, which + infested those countries, not being to my knowledge at that + time ascertained. + + "How many ships of war belong to Congress, is a question I + cannot answer with certainty. I think there are not more than + ten or twelve in the whole. Of privateers there are a great + number, but how many exactly has not been computed. In my + opinion, they exceed one hundred, several of them very fine + ships. The Governor of Martinique told me, that in that + Island alone, the American privateers had brought and sold + above five thousand African slaves, which they had taken from + the enemy. Nine tenths at least of all the rum and sugar used + in North America, these three years past, have been obtained + in the same way, and to their successes have the public been + indebted for the most seasonable and valuable supplies of + military stores which they have received. I left several + vessels on the stocks at Philadelphia, and heard of more in + other parts. + + "Upon the whole, his Majesty may rest perfectly assured, that + the Americans are determined, though forsaken by all mankind, + to maintain their independence, and to part with it only with + their lives; the desolations and distresses of war being too + familiar to them to excite any other passions than + indignation and resentment. + + "That the country will supply its inhabitants with + provisions, some clothing, and some articles of commerce. + + "That there is no party in America in favor of returning + under the dominion of Britain, on any terms whatever. + + "That the King of France is very popular in America, being in + all parts of it styled the protector of the rights of + mankind, and that they will hold the treaty made with him + inviolate. + + "That the people in America have very high ideas of the honor + and integrity of the Spanish nation, and of his Catholic + Majesty especially, and that this respect and esteem unite + with their interest in rendering them so desirous of his + friendship and alliance. + + "That the greatest difficulty under which America labors + arises from the great depreciation of her bills of credit, + owing principally to a greater sum having been emitted than + was necessary for a medium of commerce, and to the + impossibility of remedying it by taxes before regular + governments are established. + + "That great attempts, seconded by the general voice of the + people, have been made to retrieve the credit of those bills + by taxation, the issue of which was as yet uncertain, but if + unsuccessful, a recurrence to taxes in kind was still left, + and would be practised, though it is an expedient which + nothing but necessity can render eligible. + + "That if France and Spain were to unite their endeavors to + conquer Britain in America, by furnishing the latter with the + necessary aids of ammunition, clothing, and some money, there + is reason to believe, that the House of Bourbon would find it + the most certain and least expensive method of reducing the + power of their irreconcilable enemy, and not only command the + gratitude and perpetual attachment of America, but the + general approbation of all who wish well to the tranquillity + of Europe, and the rights of mankind. Thus would that + illustrious House erect glorious and lasting monuments to + their virtues in the hearts of a whole people. + + "I fear your Excellency will consider the intelligence here + given, less full and precise than you expected. I regret that + it is not in my power to render it more so but it is not. I + hope however it will be thought sufficient to open a way to + those further discussions, which must precede the measures + necessary to bind America to Spain, as well as to France, and + thereby complete the division and consequently the + humiliation of the British Empire; a work too glorious and + laudable not to merit the notice of so magnanimous a Prince + as his Majesty, and engage the attention of a Minister of + such acknowledged abilities as your Excellency. + + "I flatter myself that the importance of the subject will + apologise for my trespassing so long on your Excellency's + patience so soon after your return to Aranjues. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +This letter gives occasion for many observations, which I am persuaded +will not escape Congress, and therefore I forbear repeating them. Your +Excellency will be pleased to observe, that on some of the subjects of +it I ought to be without delay apprised of the intentions of Congress, +and furnished with such information and instructions as may be +necessary to enable me to fulfil them. + +On the 27th of April last, I received at Madrid a letter from the +Committee of Foreign Affairs, enclosing copies of the resolutions of +Congress of the 23d and 29th of November, 1779, for drawing on Mr +Laurens and myself for £100,000 sterling each. I went the next day to +Aranjues, and the day after wrote to the Count de Florida Blanca, in +the words following, viz. + + "Aranjues, April 29th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "By the address of Congress to their constituents on the + subject of their finances, which I had the honor of + transmitting to your Excellency, you have doubtless observed, + that in September last Congress came to a resolution of + emitting no more bills, than, with those already emitted and + in circulation, would amount to 200,000,000 of dollars; that + about the same time they called upon their constituents to + raise money by taxes, and assigned the first day of January + last for the first payment, at which day it was supposed, + that the bills to be emitted would be nearly expended. + + "Congress perceiving that at once to stop the great channel + of supplies, that had been open ever since the war, and to + substitute another equally productive, was not one of those + measures which operate almost insensibly without hazard or + difficulty; and well knowing that if the first payment of + these taxes should be delayed beyond the limited time, the + treasury would be without money, and the public operations + obstructed by all the evils consequent to it; they were of + opinion, that collateral and auxiliary measures were + necessary to ensure success to the great system for + retrieving and supporting the public credit. So early, + therefore, as the 23d day of November last, they took this + subject into their most serious consideration, and although + they had the highest reason to confide in the exertions of + their constituents, yet having received repeated assurances + of his Majesty's friendly disposition towards them, and being + well persuaded, that they could avail themselves of his + Majesty's friendship on an occasion more agreeable to him and + advantageous to them, than on one so interesting to the + United States, and important to the common cause, they + adopted a measure, which, but for these considerations, might + appear extraordinary, viz. to draw bills upon me for £100,000 + sterling, payable at six months' sight. + + "The drawing bills previous to notice of obtaining money to + satisfy them may at first view appear indelicate, but when it + is considered that the whole success of this measure depended + on its taking place between the 23d of November, and the + first of January last, in which period it was impossible to + make the application, his Majesty's magnanimity will I am + persuaded readily excuse it. + + "As I shall always consider it my duty to give your + Excellency all the information in my power, that may enable + his Majesty from time to time to form a true judgment of the + state of American affairs, it is proper, that I should inform + your Excellency, that Congress, having reasons to believe + that a loan might be obtained in Holland, did shortly after + my leaving America take measures for that purpose, and on the + 23d of November last resolved to draw bills on Mr Henry + Laurens, to whom that business had been committed, for the + sum of £100,000 sterling. + + "I greatly regret that it was not in my power to advise your + Excellency of these matters sooner; but it was not until the + 27th instant, at Madrid, that I received the letter which + informed me of them. + + "As further remarks would draw this letter into greater + length, than the opinion I have of your Excellency's + discernment will permit me to think necessary, I forbear + longer to engage your time and attention, than to request the + favor of your Excellency to lay it before his Majesty. + + "The eyes of America are now drawn towards him by their + opinion of his virtues, and the situation of their affairs; + and I flatter myself it will not be long before their hearts + and affections will also be engaged by such marks of his + Majesty's friendship, as his wisdom and liberality may + prompt, and their occasions render expedient. + + "With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On the subject of this and my former letter, I had a conference with +the Count, on the 11th of May 1780, of which the following are notes, +taken immediately after it ended. + + Aranjues, May 11th, 1780. + + Mr Jay having waited on the Count de Florida Blanca, in + consequence of a message received on the evening of the 10th, + the latter commenced the conversation by observing that he + was sorry that his ignorance of the English language + prevented him from speaking with that ease and frankness, + with which he wished to speak in his conferences with Mr Jay, + and which corresponded with his own disposition and + character. + + He observed that he intended to speak on two points. The + first related to the letter Mr Jay had written to him, on the + subject of bills of exchange drawn on him by Congress, that + being an affair the most pressing and more immediately + necessary to enter upon. He said that the last year he should + have found no difficulty on that head, but that at present, + although Spain had money, she was in the situation of + Tantalus, who, with water in view, could not make use of it; + alluding to the revenue arising from their possessions in + America, which they were not able to draw from thence. That + their expenses had been so great in the year 1779, + particularly for the marine, as to oblige them to make large + loans, which they were negotiating at present. He entered + into a summary of those expenses, and particularized the + enormous expense of supporting thirtyfive ships of the line + and frigates in French ports. He observed, that to do this + they had prepared a very expensive and numerous convoy at + Ferrol and other ports of Spain, loaded with provisions, + naval stores, and every other article necessary for the + squadron before mentioned, which convoy did not arrive at + Brest until the day on which the Spanish fleet sailed from + thence. That the supplies so sent had emptied their magazines + at Cadiz, Ferrol, and other ports, and had frequently obliged + them to buy at enormous prices the necessary stores to supply + the fleet under the admirals Cardova and Gaston, on their + arrival in the ports of Spain. That they had been forced to + sell these stores thus sent to France, and others purchased + for the same purpose at Bourdeaux, Nantes, and elsewhere, at + half price; and added, that their loss on this occasion could + scarce be calculated. This, joined to the other expenses, and + the great losses they had sustained in their marine and + commerce, but chiefly in the former, and the great expenses + they were at in consequence thereof, rendered it difficult + for the King to do for America what he could have done easily + the last year, and which he declared repeatedly, and in the + strongest manner, it was his intention to do, as might be + judged from his conduct heretofore; touching slightly on the + succors sent us from Spain, the Havana, and Louisiana, but + dwelling on his conduct in the negotiation last year with + Great Britain, in which he would on no account be brought to + sacrifice the interests of America. + + Such being his Majesty's disposition and intentions previous + to the war, Mr Jay might easily judge, that he was not less + determined at present to support their interests, whether + formally connected with America by treaty or not. That, + notwithstanding the losses and misfortunes sustained, the + King's resolution, courage, and fortitude induced him to + continue the war, and therefore they were obliged to incur + much expense in order to fill their magazines and make the + necessary preparations for this campaign and the next, yet + that it was his Majesty's intention to give America all the + assistance in his power. That it was as much his inclination + as duty to second these dispositions, and that he had + received the King's orders to confer with his colleagues + thereon. He observed, however, that, although he was First + Secretary of State, he must first confer with them on this + subject; and from his own personal inclinations to second the + King's intentions and to serve America, he was desirous of + concerting with Mr Jay measures in such a manner as would + prevent him from meeting with opposition from his colleagues, + and therefore he spoke to him not as a minister, but as an + individual. + + In order to facilitate this, he said it was necessary to make + some overtures for a contract, in case Mr Jay was not + absolutely empowered to make one; and then he pointed out the + object most essential to the interests of Spain at the + present conjuncture. He said that for their marine they + wanted light frigates, cutters, or swift sailing vessels of + that size. That for ships of the line, they could procure + them themselves; that if America could furnish them with the + former, they might be sent to their ports in Biscay, loaded + with tobacco or other produce, and, discharging their + cargoes, be left at the disposition of Spain. He also + mentioned timber for vessels, but said that was an article + not so immediately necessary, though it might be an object of + consequence in future. He observed that he mentioned this at + present in order that Mr Jay might turn his thoughts on that + subject as soon as possible, and that he would, in order to + explain himself with more precision, send him, either on + Saturday or Sunday next, notes containing his ideas on this + subject, and adding that he hoped that the one, viz. Jay, + would assist the other, meaning himself, to manage matters in + such a way as to procure the means of obtaining for America + present aid. + + With respect to the bills of exchange which might be + presented, he said that at the end of the present year, or in + the beginning of the next, he would have it in his power to + advance twentyfive, thirty, or forty thousand pounds + sterling, and in the mean time, should these bills be + presented for payment, he would take such measures as would + satisfy the owners of them, viz. by engaging, in the name of + his Majesty, to pay them, observing that the King's good + faith and credit were so well known, that he did not imagine + this would be a difficult matter. He also said, that in + consequence of what Mr Jay had written with respect to + clothing for the American army, it might be in his power to + send supplies of cloth, &c. which he would endeavor to do. + + Mr Jay, in answer, assured him of his high sense of the + frankness and candor with which he had been so obliging as to + communicate the King's intentions and his own sentiments, and + gave him the strongest assurances that he should, for his + part, with the same frankness and candor, give him all the + assistance and information in his power to forward his + generous intentions in favor of his country, and that be + might depend that in doing this, he would neither deceive him + in his information, nor mislead him by ill grounded + expectations. + + The Count then expressed his confidence in these assurances, + said he had been well informed of the characters, both of Mr + Jay and Mr Carmichael, (who was present at the conference,) + and said, that he considered them as _les hommes honnêtes_, + and that no consideration could have prevailed upon him to + have treated with men who did not sustain that reputation. + + The Count then proceeded to the second point, viz. with + respect to the treaty in contemplation between Spain and + America. He began by observing, that he now spoke as a + Minister, and as such, that he would be as candid and frank + as he had just been speaking as a private man; and that it + was always his disposition to do so with those from whom he + expected the same conduct. He then proceeded to observe, that + there was but one obstacle from which he apprehended any + great difficulty in forming a treaty with America, and + plainly intimated that this arose from the pretensions of + America to the navigation of the Mississippi. He repeated the + information, which the Count had received from M. Mirales, + that Congress had at one time relinquished that object; that + he also knew from the same source, that afterwards they had + made it an essential point of the treaty. He expressed his + uneasiness on this subject, and entered largely into the + views of Spain, with respect to the boundaries. (He mentioned + Cape Antonio and Cape ----, and expressed their resolution if + possible, of excluding the English entirely from the Gulf of + Mexico.) They wished to fix them by a treaty, which he hoped + would be perpetual between the two countries. He spoke amply + of the King's anxiety, resolution, and firmness on this + point, and insinuated a wish that some method might be fallen + upon to remove this obstacle. He observed, that the King had + received all his impressions with respect to the necessity of + this measure, previous to his being in place, and appeared to + regard it as a point from which his Majesty would never + recede, repeating that, still however he was disposed to give + America all the aid in his power, consistent with the + situation of his affairs, to distress the common enemy; that + this point being insisted on, it would be necessary for the + Court of Spain to obtain the most accurate knowledge of local + circumstances, with which he supposed Mr Jay and his + constituents were more fully apprised than his Majesty's + Ministers could be. That for this purpose they had already + written to the Havana and Louisiana, in order to obtain all + the necessary information, which he gave reason to believe + they had not yet received. He dwelt on the necessity of this + information previous to any treaty, and expressed his own + regret, that ways and means could not be found to obviate or + overcome this impediment. + + Mr Jay here took an opportunity to mention, that many of the + States were bounded by that river, and were highly interested + in its navigation, but observed that they were equally + inclined to enter into any amicable regulations, which might + prevent any inconveniences with respect to contraband or + other objects, which might excite the uneasiness of Spain. + + The Count, still, however, appeared to be fully of opinion, + that this was an object that the King had so much at heart, + that he would never relinquish it, adding, however, that he + hoped some middle way might be hit on, which would pave the + way to get over this difficulty, and desired Mr Jay to turn + his thoughts and attention to the subject, in which he + assured him he was as well disposed to assist him, as in the + means of procuring the assistance and succors for America + beforementioned; always repeating the King's favorable + disposition, his inviolable regard to his promises, &c. &c. + On this subject he also subjoined, that whenever Mr Jay chose + to go to Madrid, he desired to have previous notice of it; + for in those cases, he would leave his sentiments in writing + for him with Mr Carmichael, or, if he should also go to + Madrid, that he would then write to Mr Jay there, to which he + might return an answer by the _Parle_ (a post which goes to + and from Madrid) to Aranjues, every twentyfour hours. + + Mr Jay expressed his full confidence in what the Count had + done him the honor to communicate to him, and assured him of + his satisfaction and happiness in having the good fortune to + transact a business so important to both countries, with a + Minister so liberal and candid in his manner of thinking and + acting. + + The conference ended with much civility on the one part and + on the other, and with an intimation from the Count, that he + should take an opportunity of having the pleasure of Mr Jay's + company at dinner, and of being on that friendly footing on + which he wished to be with him. + +What passed in the course of this conference needs no comment, though +it calls for information and instructions. If Congress remains firm, +as I have no reason to doubt, respecting the Mississippi, I think +Spain will finally be content with equitable regulations, and I wish +to know whether Congress would consider any regulations necessary to +prevent contraband, as inconsistent with their ideas of free +navigation. I wish that as little as possible may be left to my +discretion, and that, as I am determined to adhere strictly to their +sentiments and directions, I may be favored with them fully, and in +season. + +The Count de Florida Blanca had upon all occasions treated me with so +much fairness, candor, and frankness, that between the confidence due +to him and the footing I was and ought to be on with the French +Ambassador, I was embarrassed exceedingly, especially as there is +little reason to doubt of their being on confidential terms with each +other. I was reduced to the necessity, therefore, of acting with +exquisite duplicity, a conduct which I detest as immoral, and +disapprove as impolitic, or of mentioning my difficulties to the +Count, and obtaining his answers. I preferred the latter, and wrote +the following letter to the Count de Florida Blanca. + + "Aranjues, May 12th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "It is with the utmost reluctance, that I can prevail upon + myself to draw your Excellency's attention from the great + objects that perpetually engage it. But the liberality, + frankness, and candor, which distinguished your conduct + towards me the last evening, has impressed me with such + sentiments of correspondent delicacy, as to place me in a + most disagreeable situation. + + "Deeply sensible of the benefits received by my country from + their illustrious ally, prompted by duty and inclination to + act not only with the highest integrity, but the greatest + frankness towards him and his Minister, and influenced by the + good opinion I have imbibed of the talents, attachment, and + prudence of the Count de Montmorin, I have given him and his + Court assurances that he should receive from me all that + confidence, which these considerations dictate. These + assurances were sincere; I have most strictly conformed to + them, and as no circumstances of delicacy forbid it, I have + communicated to him the information I gave your Excellency + relative to American affairs, and the resolution of Congress + for drawing bills upon me, these being the only transactions + within my knowledge and department, which related to that + proposed connexion between Spain and America, for the + accomplishment of which, the King of France has been pleased + to interpose his kind offices with his Catholic Majesty. + + "But, Sir, my feelings will not allow me to permit the + confidence due to one gentleman to interfere with that which + may be due to another. Honor prescribes limits to each, which + no consideration can tempt me to violate. You spoke to me the + last evening in the character of a private gentleman, as well + as of a public Minister, and in both without reserve. Let me + entreat your Excellency therefore to inform me, whether I am + to consider your conferences with me, either in the whole or + in part, as confidential. I am apprised of the delicacy of + this question. I wish I could know your sentiments without + putting it. I assure you my esteem and respect are too + sincere and too great, not to make me regret every measure, + that can give you an uneasy sensation. On this occasion I am + urged by justice to you as well as to myself, and that must + be my apology. + + "Unpractised in the ways of courts, I rejoice in finding that + I am to transact the business committed to me with a + gentleman, who adorns his exalted station with virtues as + well as talents, and looks down on that system of finesse + and chicanery, which, however prevalent, wisdom rejects and + probity disapproves. + + "With sentiments of attachment and esteem, I have the + honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +To this I received the following answer. + + Translation. + + "Aranjues, May 14th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "Sensible of the favorable opinion you are pleased to + entertain of my conduct, both as a minister and a private + gentleman, I have the honor to assure you, that on every + occasion, you shall experience nothing but frankness and + candor on my part. Besides that my own principles are + invariable on these points, I am certain thereby to follow + the example and good intentions of the King my master. + + "The delicacy, which induced you to doubt, whether there + would be any impropriety in communicating to the Ambassador + of France the explanation we had in the course of our late + conference, accords well with the idea I first formed of your + character, and I am pleased with this mark of your attention. + Besides, it appears to me that you may do it freely, + especially as those explanations are founded on principles of + equity and wisdom, for the benefit of the common cause. But + if, hereafter, circumstances demand a more pointed reserve, + by accidents we cannot now foresee, we shall always have time + to agree upon those points, which it may be necessary to keep + secret. + + "I am, Sir, with the most sincere attachment, and the most + perfect consideration, your most humble and most obedient + servant, + + COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA." + +I have not yet received from his Excellency the notes mentioned in the +conference, and therefore cannot have the satisfaction of sending +copies of them to Congress by this opportunity. + +On the 9th of April, 1780, Sir John Dalrymple arrived here from +Portugal with his lady. On the evening of the 10th I heard of it, and +the next morning sent the following card to the French Ambassador at +Aranjues, viz. + + "Mr Jay presents his compliments to his Excellency Count + Montmorin, and informs him that Sir John Dalrymple arrived + here the day before yesterday from Lisbon, and it is said, + intends to be at Aranjues today. What business should call + this gentlemen here, or enable him to obtain license to come, + are questions which I am persuaded will receive from your + Excellency all the attention due to their extent and + importance. + + "_Madrid, May 11th, 1780._" + +To this I immediately received the following answer on that subject, +viz. + + Translation. + + "M. de Montmorin received this morning Mr Jay's note, and + thanks him for the information. M. de Montmorin is fully + sensible of the importance of it, and although he is far from + entertaining the least doubt on the sentiments of the Spanish + Ministry, he will not fail to take the precaution to be + informed of everything connected with Sir John Dalrymple's + arrival. He advises Mr Jay to follow the same course. Courts + are so beset with intrigues, that nothing should be + neglected, which may tend to discover them. He repeats that + he has not the slightest cause to suspect the Spanish + Ministry, but on the contrary, has the strongest reasons for + confiding in its integrity and honor. M. de Montmorin begs Mr + Jay to accept his compliments, and to present his respectful + homage to Mrs Jay." + +Learning that Sir John had obtained leave to go to France in his way +to England, I apprised Mr Adams of it in a letter of the 26th of +April, 1780, of which the following is an extrac + + "Sir John Dalrymple is here; he came from Portugal for the + benefit of his lady's health, as is said. He is now at + Aranjues. He has seen the Imperial Ambassador, the Governor + of the city, Senior Compomanes, the Duke of Alva, and several + others named to him I suppose by Lord Grantham, who I find + was much respected here. He will return through France to + Britain. I shall go to Aranjues the day after tomorrow, and + shall form some judgment of that gentleman's success by the + conduct of the Court towards America." + +On waiting on the Count de Florida Blanca, a few days afterwards at +Aranjues, he told me that Sir John had applied to him to obtain from +him permission to go through Spain to France, and to the French +Minister for a passport through that kingdom to England. The +indisposition of his lady was the reason assigned for not going from +Portugal by water. That in conversation, Sir John took occasion to say +several things respecting the war, and the manner of drawing it to a +conclusion. That the Count desired him to reduce what he would wish to +say on that subject to writing, and that Sir John thereupon sent him +a paper, entitled "A Historical Anecdote," of which the following is +a copy. + + _A Project of Lord Rochford to prevent the War._ + + "Before the declaration of France in favor of America, Lord + Rochford, formerly Ambassador in Spain and in France, formed + a project to prevent the war. It was, that England should + propose a great treaty of confederation between France, + Spain, Portugal, and England, the objects of which should be + the three following; the first, a mutual guarantee between + these four powers of their possessions in America and the two + Indies, with a proviso, that a war in Europe should never be + a war in those remote regions on any pretext whatever, fixing + also the number of troops and vessels to be furnished by the + contracting powers against the power that should contravene + the peace in those distant parts. The second object was, to + grant a participation in the commerce of America to France, + Spain, and Portugal, as far as such participation might not + be incompatible with the common interests, and without the + rivalship of English America and England. The third object + was, the adjustment of the contested privileges of the + Americans upon principles just and honorable for them. Lord + Rochford was at that time Secretary of State. He told me, + that the first person to whom he had communicated this + project was the late Prince of Mazarano, Ambassador of Spain, + and that though old and indisposed, he arose and embraced + him, and said, 'Ah! my Lord, what divinity has inspired you?' + Lord Rochford also communicated it to a friend of his, who + was then, and still continues one of the Ministers of the + King of England, who gave it his approbation; but Lord + Rochford soon after quitted the Ministry and retired to the + country, by which accident the project failed of being + presented to the cabinet of the King. + + "I have given a relation of this anecdote, because I am one + of the four or five persons who alone know the truth of it, + and because I am of opinion, that it is not yet too late to + revive a project, which will save a million of Christians + from becoming widows and orphans. As to the first object of + such a confederacy, Lord Rochford did not doubt of the + proposition's being accepted by all the powers, because it + was the interest of all to accept it. The losses of France in + the two Indies the last war, and their misfortunes in the + East Indies in the present one, where, in six weeks, they + have lost all they possessed; the losses of the Spaniards in + the last war in the two Indies, and even the stroke the other + day in the Bay of Honduras, by a young captain with a handful + of soldiers; the facility with which Portugal lost the Island + of St Catharine in the Brazils, and the misfortunes of the + English armies the three last years in America, all prove + that France, Spain, Portugal, and England, have their tender + parts in America and the two Indies, and of consequence, that + they have all an interest in a mutual guarantee of their + possessions in those three parts of the world. + + "As to the second object of the confederacy, I am sensible, + that the idea of the other three powers participating in the + commerce of America, under the limitation of its not being + incompatible with the common interests of English America and + England, is an idea somewhat vague, and subject to disputes. + But, fortunately for humanity, there are five persons in + those five countries, of characters which render them proper + to draw the outlines of some determinate regulations, which + will admit of no disputes, and may enrich France, Spain, and + Portugal, without impoverishing England and her Colonies. In + America there is Doctor Franklin, perhaps the first genius of + the age, who is well acquainted with the commercial + connexions between America and England; France has her + Comptroller-General, who, from his youth, has been brought up + in the practice of commerce; in Spain, we find M. Campomanes, + who has employed the maturity of his life in studies, that + give him a superiority in discussions of this kind; Portugal + will be assisted by the counsels of the Duke of Braganza, who + has gathered knowledge in almost every field, in courts, in + libraries, and even on the exchanges of the merchants of + Europe; and as for England, she has a Minister who, + thoroughly versed in the true interests of commerce, will not + refuse to America what he has just granted to Ireland. + + "As to the third object of the confederation; England, who + much boasts of her own _magna charta_, will make no + difficulty in granting a _magna charta_ to the liberties of + America. Perhaps the best means to expedite this measure + would be to give a _carte blanche_ to Dr Franklin. A generous + confidence is the surest means to secure a generous man. + Spain has two very solid interests in the success of such a + confederacy, and against the independence of America. The + first is, that if English America becomes independent, + Spanish America will be overrun with the contraband of the + Americans thus independent of England. 1. England is bound by + treaties with Spain not to carry on the contraband trade. 2. + She is restrained by the fear of this contraband's drawing a + war upon her in Europe, which was the consequence of it in + the times of Sir Robert Walpole. 3. The dearness of English + and European commodities sets natural bounds to the quantity + of this contraband. But when the Americans are independent, + they will say, first, they are not bound by the treaties of + the English; secondly, they will not be restrained by fear, + being so far from Spain, and having defended themselves + against eighty thousand English soldiers and marines, they + would but little dread the forces of Spain; and thirdly, the + low price of American commodities will cover the Spanish + Colonies with contraband. Indeed, necessity itself will + oblige the Americans either to carry on this contraband, or + to make war on Spanish and Portuguese America and their + Islands. They have neither gold nor silver among themselves, + and without these precious metals, they can neither cultivate + their lands nor carry on commerce. They will only have four + sources from whence to draw them; first, their commerce with + Europe; secondly, pensions from France and Spain; thirdly, a + contraband trade with the Provinces of Spain and Portugal in + the new world; and fourthly, a war in these Provinces. + + "While the Americans continue in a state, which the English + call rebellion, their commerce with Europe will be + interrupted by English cruisers. Thus they will draw but a + small quantity of these precious metals from this first + source. The pensions of France and Spain will be much too + inconsiderable to support the agriculture and manufactures of + so extensive a country. Their only remaining source then for + these metals will be in the contraband, or wars with the + Spanish and Portuguese Provinces. To prevent this contraband, + the treaty of confederation might make provision against the + contraband both of the English and Americans. It is a + delicate point for an Englishman to suggest the means, but + were the two nations sincerely disposed for peace, I could in + a quarter of an hour suggest the infallible means. + + "Spain has another interest, perhaps still greater, against + the independence of the Americans, and, consequently, in + favor of the treaty in question. The Americans, who will be + able to fly with their sails wherever they please, will make + establishments in New Zealand, the Islands of Otaheite, or + some other Islands in the South Sea, from whence they will + torment the Spaniards in that sea, and even the English, the + French, the Portuguese, and the Dutch, in the East India + Seas. Being independent, no treaty will prevent their making + such establishments. They may make them consistent with the + laws of nations. Captain Cook in his last printed voyages + says, there are fortyseven thousand seafaring people in the + Island of Otaheite alone; and Captain Wallis, who discovered + those Islands, told me at Lisbon a few days ago, that the + inhabitants of Otaheite went to the mast-head of the English + ships, and ran on the yard-arms as well in three days' time + as the English mariners, and gave me two reasons for it. The + first was, that living on fish, they are all seafaring + people; and the second, that those who wear no shoes are + always the most dexterous in mounting the upper parts of a + ship. Captain Cook also in the same voyage gives a + description of a port and city in New Zealand, which might in + a few weeks be made impregnable, and one needs only look at + the shape of the Islands in the South Seas, in the maps we + have of them, to be convinced that they have no small number + of these impregnable ports. + + "I show myself as much a friend to Spain, to France, to + Portugal and Holland, as to England, in disclosing the + following idea, which may have escaped others. Heretofore it + was impossible to go to the South Seas with any safety, but + in the months of December and January, and by the dreadful + latitudes round Cape Horn. But the late discoveries of + Captain Cook and other Englishmen have demonstrated the + practicability of going thither in every month of the year, + round the Cape of Good Hope, and the fine latitude of New + Zealand, and in almost the same time; the one being a passage + of four and the other of five months. Because the same west + wind, which blows almost the whole of the year, and retards + the vessels passing by Cape Horn, carries them with rapidity + by the Cape of Good Hope and New Zealand. Hence it follows, + that when the Americans quarrel with Spain, perhaps on the + subject of the contraband, they will send their ships on the + coast of Chili from their establishments in the South Seas, + by the latitudes of New Zealand, and with the west winds, + which always blow in that quarter. This is a voyage of only + five weeks; for Captain Cook in one voyage, and Captain + Fourneaux in another, went from New Zealand to Cape Horn in + less time, and the journal of the winds annexed to the voyage + of Captain Cook shews, that the west winds in those latitudes + bear to the east the proportion of ten to one. When their + vessels are on the coasts of Chili, they will take the + advantage of the land wind, which, blowing constantly from + south to north, will carry them along the coasts of Chili and + Peru. With this wind they will go in fourteen days to the Bay + of Panama, and in the course of this voyage they will ravage + the sea coasts, and make prizes of all the vessels they meet. + The naval force of Spain at Lima will not have it in their + power to hinder them, for the same south wind, which will + push the Americans forward, will prevent the fleets of Spain + going to meet them. From the Bay of Panama they will return + by the great wind of the tropics, which never fails blowing + from east to west, either to their settlements in the South + Seas, or to sell their prizes in the seas of China or India, + from whence they will perhaps again return with new vessels, + newly manned, to repeat their ravages. Their return will + either be by New Zealand in coming from the Indies, or by the + latitude of forty north in coming from China. In this last + case they will fall on Mexico, and profiting of the land + winds which always blow there from north to the Bay of + Panama, they will ravage Mexico as before they ravaged Chili + and Peru. From the Bay of Panama they will return by the + great tropic wind, either to their own homes in the South + Seas, or to the seas of Asia to renew a war, insulting, + tormenting, and without remedy. + + "On the other hand, when at war with England, France, + Portugal, or Holland, they will direct their course from + their establishments in the South Seas, and fall upon the + possessions of those powers in the East Indies. They will + have two great routes to go and return by; the one to the + west of New Zealand, the other by the Islands between China + and New Holland, and in this they will have as many passages + as there are Islands. Thence follows the impossibility of + waylaying their vessels, either going or on their return. + These consequences may all be prevented by the treaty + proposed by Lord Rochford, in which it might be stipulated + that these Islands shall forever belong to their present + inhabitants and their posterity, for certainly the nation who + shall first possess herself of them will command the commerce + of the South Seas and those of Asia. + + "Europe, wishing for the independence of America, resembles a + man asleep on ice, and not sensible that ice thaws, and + therefore to give the greater weight to the confederation, + Holland and Denmark, who have interests in both the new + worlds, might be invited to become contracting parties to + those articles of treaty, which regard the mutual guarantee. + + "The reason of the frequent breach of treaties is, that they + are made without provision for the future reciprocal + interests of the contracting nations. The only ones that I + know of, that pay attention to this object, are the treaties + between Portugal and England; by which Portugal gains a + preference for the sale of her wines in England, and England + for the sale of her cloths in Portugal. The consequence is, + that there never has, and in appearance never will be, a war + between Portugal and England. It would not be difficult, + either in the general confederation, or by separate treaties + of commerce between England on the one part, and the three + kingdoms of Spain, Portugal, and France respectively on the + other, to advance infinitely the commercial interests of all + three, by their connexions with England. Spain having wines, + oil, fruits, salt, fine wools, and some other articles, which + England has not, and England having iron, with coal in the + same fields for the manufacturing of it, and by the moistness + of her climate long wool for cloths of a low price, also tin, + fish, with some other articles, which Spain has not, it + follows, that when England is rich she will buy more articles + of Spain, and when Spain is rich she will buy more articles + of England, and consequently, that one cannot enrich herself + without enriching the other. The same reasoning applies to + the natural connexions between England and Portugal. There is + even a natural connexion between England and France in many + articles of commerce, if the jealousy of fools, and + misinformed persons did not perpetually interrupt it. I have + heard from certain authority, that had the Abbé Terray + continued in the Ministry of France, there would have been a + tariff between France and England for the entry, on the most + favorable conditions, of the wines and articles of mode of + the one nation, and the manufactures of iron and wheat of the + other, and England might have procured the consent of + Portugal for the diminution of her commerce of wines with + England by other indemnifications. England in favor of + France, Spain, and Portugal, might, without injury to herself + even permit the exportation of those wools, paying a duty at + the exportation thereof. The exportation of the superfluous + wool, would be an advantage to the proprietors of lands in + England, to the King in furnishing him a new revenue, and to + those three nations, in giving them an article necessary for + their manufactures. + + "Unfortunately for humanity, the Abbé Terray is no more; but + happily for humanity, Dr Franklin, the Comptroller-General of + France, M. Compomanes, the Duke of Braganza, and Lord North + are all still living, and the King of Spain, with the Count + de Florida Blanca, may put all these five in motion. + + "For my part I have no authority from the English Ministers + to present this project, but living in friendship with the + greater part of them, and on an intimate footing with the + others, I am certain that some of the sentiments in this + memorial correspond with their manner of thinking on the + subject. I confess I received a letter in Portugal, fourteen + days before my departure for Spain, from Lord Rochford, who + is not at present in the Ministry, but who is so taken up + with a project that does him so much honor, that he has + advised me to feel the pulses on the possibility of making it + succeed, and that I have a letter on the same subject from + the Duke of Braganza, who entered into the views of my Lord + Rochford not as a politician, but as a friend to humanity. + + "Encouraged by such men, and still more by the dictates of my + own heart, I wrote to one of the English Ministers, that if I + did not find minds too much heated, and there was no danger + of giving offence, I intended to do justice to the project of + my Lord Rochford, in Spain and in France, and begged him to + send me an answer to Paris whether the Ministry of England + approved or disapproved my intentions. + + "I have only to add, that my views being to unite, and not to + separate nations, I have no objection that the Ministers of + France and Dr Franklin should each have a copy of this + memorial." + +The Count spoke of Sir John and his anecdote very properly, and +concluded with assurances of the King's firmness. + +The manner in which Sir John speaks of Dr Franklin, however just, I +impute to a design of injuring the confidence reposed in him by his +constituents. + +The house of Gardoqui at Bilboa are rich, in favor with the Ministry, +and friends to America. The Navy Board have sent to them for goods for +the use of the navy, and have remitted to them only an inconsiderable +part of the sum to which they will amount, desiring the residue on +credit, and promising speedy payment. One of the House now here spoke +to me on the subject; I advised him to complete the orders. It is of +the utmost consequence that the Navy Board be punctual in their +remittances. American credit is not high, and ought to be higher. I am +the more anxious on this subject, as that House is exceedingly well +disposed, and a disappointment would not only be injurious to them, +but much more so to us. Perhaps it would be a good rule if the United +States were to contract debts only with Governments, and never with +individuals abroad. + +I received a letter last week from a Captain Hawkins at Cadiz, +informing me that the Americans, who had escaped from captivity and +were collected there, were fitting out a vessel for America, which +they were arming, and wished to be enabled to act offensively and +defensively in their way home, by having a proper commission from me +for that purpose. As I had neither blank commissions nor authority to +grant them, I referred him to Dr Franklin. + +Congress will be pleased to consider how far it may be proper to +remove these obstacles, by sending me both. This leads me again to +remind your Excellency of several letters I wrote you from Cadiz, +respecting American seamen coming to Spain from captivity at Gibraltar +and other places. As copies of these letters have been sent by +different vessels, I presume some of them have reached you. It +certainly is necessary that provision be made for these people, and in +a regular established manner. I am very desirous of instructions on +this subject. + +The credit given me by Congress on Dr Franklin is expended, and I am +without other means of obtaining supplies than by private credit, +which I am at a loss to satisfy. To apply to, and be maintained by +the Court, is, in my opinion, too humiliating to be for the public +good; and as yet I have neither received nor heard of remittances +from America. It would give me pleasure to know in what manner +Congress mean I should be supplied, and whether any measures have been +taken for that purpose. + +I am much embarrassed for the means of conveying and receiving +intelligence. Being at a great distance from the sea, all my letters +to and from thence here must either be conveyed by private couriers or +the public post. All my letters by the latter, whether in France or +Spain, are opened. By that conveyance, therefore, it would not always +be proper to write either to Congress, to Dr Franklin, Mr Adams, or +others, with that freedom which would often be useful, and sometimes +necessary. The salary allowed me, so far from admitting the expense of +private couriers, is inadequate for the common purposes for which it +was given. This is a delicate subject, and I wish it was not my duty +to say anything respecting it. This place is the dearest in Europe. +The Court is never stationary, passing part of the year in no less +than five different places, viz. Madrid, Pardo, Aranjues, St +Ildefonso, and the Escurial; hence considerable expenses arise. I +forbear enumerating particulars, my design being only to mention this +matter to Congress, not to press it upon them. I shall always live +agreeably to my circumstances; and if, from their being too narrow, +inconveniences result to the public, they ought to be informed of it. +I hope what I have said will be viewed in this light only; so far as I +am personally interested, I am content. + +Mr Harrison, a gentleman of Maryland, now here, will be the bearer of +this letter to Cadiz. I therefore embrace this good and unusual +opportunity of being so minute and explicit in it. + +The family of Galvez is numerous and of weight. The one on the +Mississippi has written favorably of the Americans to his brothers +here, three of whom are in office. It would be well to cultivate this +disposition whenever opportunities of doing it offer. + +The resolution providing for Spanish prisoners at New York was well +judged. + +Dr Franklin is more advantageously circumstanced than I am to gain and +transmit to Congress intelligence of the disposition of Holland and of +the Northern Powers. + +From the conduct of their ministers here, I have no reason to predict +much to our advantage. They are cold, and I have received nothing more +than common civility from any of them, except the Ministers of Holland +and Sweden, and indeed not much more from them. Perhaps they have been +rendered unusually cautious by an extract of a letter from Madrid in +the Leyden paper, mentioning the precious reception Mr Carmichael met +with here, and the attentions he received from the foreign Ministers. +You have probably seen it in the _Courier de l'Europe_. + +From what I hear of the character of the Empress of Russia, I cannot +but think that a prudent agent there would be very useful. They say +she is sensible, proud, and ambitious. Hence I infer that such a mark +of attention would be grateful, and consequently useful. + +I should have given your Excellency seasonable intelligence of the +Spanish fleet and armament, which lately sailed from Cadiz, as I +believe to the Havana, and whose objects I suspect to be the Floridas +or Jamaica, or probably both, but I omitted writing on that subject +previous to the departure of the fleet, from a persuasion that any +letters by the post containing such advices would not be permitted to +proceed, and therefore I thought it unnecessary; nor will I now swell +the pages of this letter, already very voluminous, by entering into +particulars relative to it, especially as that armament will probably +have begun its operations before this letter will come to your +Excellency's hands. + +The reports of dissensions in Congress, which prevailed here prior to +my arrival, and the causes to which they were ascribed, had filled +this Court with apprehensions; and it gives me pleasure to assure you, +that the present appearance of union in Congress is attended here with +very happy effects. + +The people in this country are in almost total darkness about us. +Scarce any American publications have reached them, nor are they +informed of the most recent and important events in that country. The +affairs of Stony Point, Paulus Hook, &c. &c. have never been heard of +here, except perhaps by the great officers of state, and they could +scarcely believe that the Roman Catholic religion was even tolerated +there. + +There are violent prejudices among them against us. Many of them have +even serious doubts of our being civilized, and mention a strange +story of a ship driven into Virginia by distress, about thirty years +ago, that was plundered by the inhabitants, and some of the crew +killed in a manner and under circumstances which, if true, certainly +indicate barbarity. The King and Ministry are warm, yet I have reason +to believe that the bulk of the nation is cold towards us; they appear +to me to like the English, hate the French, and to have prejudices +against us. + +I mention these things to show in a strong light the necessity of +punctuality in sending me from time to time all American intelligence +of importance, and observing such conduct towards Spaniards in +general, as may tend to impress them with more favorable sentiments of +us. There was a little uneasiness among the mercantile people at Cadiz +respecting the capture of some Spanish vessels by privateers. I hope +the former have had ample justice done them; it certainly is of great +importance that they should have reason to be satisfied. + +Your Excellency may observe that I have written very particularly. +Both this Court and that of France have very particular information +respecting the proceedings of Congress. + +Want of prudence, rather than virtue, I believe to be the cause. I +nevertheless think it my duty to give Congress from time to time full +information of their affairs here, and shall not be restrained by the +apprehension of any consequences, that may result from want of secrecy +there. I make it a rule to write on these subjects only to Congress, +and to them very particularly. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +_P. S._ Congress may think it extraordinary, that Mr Carmichael's +handwriting does not appear in this letter. He is, with my +approbation, now at Aranjues, and I must do him the justice to say, +that he is always ready and willing to do his duty as Secretary. + + J. J. + + +FOOTNOTES: + +[18] See above, dated January 26th, p. 194. + +[19] See this letter in Arthur Lee's Correspondence, Vol. II p. 276. + +[20] See above, p. 195. + +[21] See above, p. 199. + +[22] See p. 203. + +[23] See p. 210. + + * * * * * + + TO THE COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. + + Madrid, May 27th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +On the 27th of last month I had the pleasure of receiving your favor +of the 11th of December, 1779, with copies of the resolutions of +Congress, for drawing on Mr Laurens and myself for one hundred +thousand pounds sterling each. + +I had the honor of writing to Congress yesterday very fully respecting +their affairs in this kingdom, and particularly on the subject of +those resolutions. + +I have not yet had the pleasure of hearing of Mr Lauren's arrival, +about which I am anxious. Be pleased to assure Congress, that Mr +Laurens shall receive from me every mark of attention, and all the aid +in my power to afford. The latter I fear will not be great. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO JAMES LOVELL. + + Madrid, May 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Eight days ago I had the pleasure of receiving a packet containing +journals and newspapers. + +From an endorsement I conjecture that I am indebted to you for it. +There was no letter enclosed in it. I am much obliged by this +attention. American intelligence is of more importance here (where +they have little of it) than can well be imagined. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL TO JOHN JAY. + + Aranjues, May 27th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +Since my letter of the 25th instant, I have very strong reason to +believe, in consequence of conversations I have had with persons who +ought to be well informed, that the fleet and troops, which sailed +from Cadiz the 28th ultimo, are destined in the first instance to the +Windward Islands, to act in concert with the squadron of the Count de +Guichen, from thence as circumstances may render it proper they will +proceed to Jamaica or the Floridas; for it appears to be the intention +of the Spanish, as well as of the French Court, to detach a part at +least of their force in the Islands to the continent, as soon as the +hurricane season in the West Indies renders it dangerous for them to +act against the enemy in that part of the world. I do not mention by +letter my source of information, because I do not choose to hazard the +loss of intelligence, which I may gain from the same persons, by the +miscarriage of letters. I shall however mention it to you _vivâ voce_, +in order to enable you to judge of the credit due to my information. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 28th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Since closing my letter of the 26th instant, I have received from Mr +Carmichael the interesting intelligence contained in the enclosed +paper.[24] He is now here, and has communicated to me the channel +through which he obtained it, from which I think his information +deserves belief, and his address in obtaining it credit. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[24] See the preceding letter. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 28th, 1780. + + Sir, + +In the journal of the proceedings of Congress of November, 1779, I +find that on the 8th day of that month they were pleased to come to +the following resolution. "Resolved, that the late and former +Presidents of Congress be desired to lodge, as soon as they +conveniently can in the Secretary's office, copies of all public +letters by them respectively written during their Presidentship." +After I resigned the chair, and immediately on your Excellency's +election, I delivered a book, containing copies of the public letters +I had written during my Presidentship, to your Excellency, who +promised to lodge it in the Secretary's office, which, I am persuaded, +was accordingly done. It gives me concern therefore to find this +resolution is made to extend to me, and I flatter myself Congress will +do me the justice to let it appear, by the entry to be made on their +journals of the receipt of this letter, that I had done that part of +my duty in season, and without their express request. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 30th, 1780. + + Sir, + +On the 26th instant I had the honor of writing a very long and +particular letter to your Excellency, by the way of Cadiz, of which a +duplicate has also been sent. To the contents of that letter I have +nothing new to add, except that two of the bills directed to be drawn +upon me have arrived. + +I shall go tomorrow to Aranjues, from whence I shall embrace the first +opportunity of communicating to Congress the further progress of their +affairs here. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Without date. + + Sir, + +By vessels lately arrived from the continent, and from St Eustatia, +there appeared here some bills drawn by the Treasurer of Loans in +America on Henry Laurens, Commissioner for the States in Amsterdam. +Every body has been surprised at it, and we in particular, as we were +directly applied to. We said at the first, that we expected Mr Laurens +would be in town very soon, begging them to keep those bills a +fortnight, and that, at all events, we would accept them. We have seen +others since more willing to wait; but not knowing what sums may have +been drawn for already, we are in hopes to be soon released from this +anxiety by the arrival of the Minister. As we think your Excellency +may have some intelligence about this matter, and have it in your +power at the same time to save the credit of America, if Mr Laurens by +any accident should not arrive, we beg the favor to be informed how to +conduct ourselves. In the mean time we will do what lies in our power +to prevent all noise and trouble about them. In case Mr Laurens should +not arrive, your Excellency will have time left to make or provide for +remittances, as the bills are drawn at six months' sight. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, June 1st, 1780. + + Sir, + +Craving reference to our last, we have now the honor to propose to +your Excellency on what terms we think all difficulty on account of +the absence of Henry Laurens, as Commissioner from Congress here, may +be prevented. We have written the same to Dr Franklin in France, +offering him to accept all those bills, provided he gives us +permission to re-draw directly on him for account of Congress, and to +do it even at seven or eight months, until, by the arrival of Mr +Laurens, or in some other way, this matter may be arranged, for there +must certainly be provision made for those bills, and the sums we do +not think will exceed two or three hundred thousand guilders before Mr +Laurens's arrival here may be known in America, and matters are +settled. We even offered those transactions without any view of +interest, as for a commission. The importance of the business must +have influence with every one, who has any regard for the United +States; and this emboldened us even to trouble your Excellency with +this relation, not doubting but you might equally find means to make +matters easy at all events; for the terrible loss which there would be +on such bills, if protested, must be prevented, and the honor of the +credit of America must be saved. We hope our endeavor for it may be +approved of, and have the desired end. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, June 8th, 1780. + + Sir, + +In conformity with what we have informed you, that we had engaged for +the acceptance of some of the bills drawn on Henry Laurens, since +nothing has been heard of him as yet, we accepted those on the first +instant, and we hope your Excellency, as well as Dr Franklin, may +approve of our proceeding, and of the method we have proposed for our +reimbursement, in case Mr Laurens may not appear, or that they should +not be provided for in time. Certain it is that those bills should be +honored for the credit of America. At the same time, it is not in the +power of a mercantile house to stand for the whole; yet the measure +proposed may make it easy, since the sums will not be so large but +that they may be easily provided for in Spain and France by the +Plenipotentiary Ministers. And for ourselves, we only desire to be +properly empowered to draw again for any sums we may accept. As there +was no time to get the matter previously adjusted, we will go on, and +see how our plan may be agreed to and approved of. + +We have the honor to be always with the most devoted regard, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, June 16th, 1780. + + Sir, + +The embarrassments, which the depreciation of the currency had created +in the public affairs at the time of your departure for Europe, were, +as you may well remember, very distressing, and have, till lately, +continued to increase. Congress, greatly anxious to avail themselves +of every possible means of checking this evil, on the 23d of November +last ventured on the expedient of drawing bills upon you for one +hundred thousand pounds sterling, as you have been already advised by +letter of December the 11th following. This they thought they might +risk, considering the importance of the object. But as the time of +your arrival in Europe could not be counted upon with certainty, and +as the negotiation might not be immediately practicable, and moreover, +as a disappointment would be highly injurious to the public faith, +they determined to draw the bills at six months' sight, which we hope +will allow sufficient leisure for every preparation. + +It will not be amiss to observe, that Congress have not taken this +measure without some circumstances of encouragement, that a fund to +satisfy the draft would not be unattainable. Since the agreeable news +of your arrival, and to answer a purpose of great national utility, +Congress, by their resolution of the 19th instant, have directed bills +to be drawn for the additional sum of twentyfive thousand dollars, +payable at sixty days' sight. The exertions necessary at this crisis +require the command of a considerable sum of money; but these drafts, +we hope, will not be increased till we have intelligence from you +respecting your prospects and assurances. We have the pleasure to +inform you, that from the measures, which have lately been adopted, +and with which you are made acquainted by the journals, the finances +begin to assume a better appearance, and our public affairs in general +will, we hope, be delivered from many of the embarrassments under +which they have labored, but we earnestly entreat you to push every +possible exertion for procuring aids of money from the Court of Spain, +without which we are fearful the measures of Congress fully to restore +the currency and prosecute the war with good effect will fall short of +the desired success. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JAMES LOVELL, + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON, + WILLIAM C. HOUSTON. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON, AT AMSTERDAM. + + Madrid, June 18th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +Accept my thanks for your favors on the subject of the bills drawn on +Mr Laurens. The kind concern you take in the credit and prosperity of +the United States merits their acknowledgments, and I shall take the +first opportunity of communicating to Congress your very friendly +propositions relative to the acceptance of the bills. + +Whether Dr Franklin is in circumstances to agree to these propositions +I know not. They certainly are very generous and liberal, and would be +attended with very happy effects. I am persuaded, that Congress would +strain every nerve to fulfill them. I have no intelligence whatever of +Mr Laurens, and am much at a loss to conjecture what should detain +him. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, June 25th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +Your favor of the 8th instant came to hand yesterday. The receipt of +the letters referred to in it was acknowledged by the last post. Your +plan for paying the bills drawn on Mr Laurens is noble and generous. I +heartily wish it may succeed, and that things could be so adjusted as +that you might not be exposed to loss or inconvenience by it. But, +gentlemen, as to this matter, I have neither instructions, nor the +means of preventing the evils you mention. If I had the money, or +could procure it, I would, without hesitation, engage to repay you +punctually, but that is not the case. That Congress will repay you +with gratitude I am certain, but whether quite so soon as your +convenience may require, is more doubtful, because the absence of Mr +Laurens is an event they did not foresee, and consequently did not +provide against. If you could make a loan for the United States in +your country, the money might be applied for the discharge of these +bills. I am sure you would do Congress a very acceptable service by +it. I have not yet heard from Dr Franklin on this subject. You may +rely on all the aid in my power to render, and I should be very happy +if it could be equal to the present exigency. I am not without +difficulties respecting the bills drawn upon me. If these difficulties +should cease, and I should be in a capacity to assist you, I will +immediately let you know it, but of this there is as yet no great +prospect. + +As a man, I admire and esteem your conduct, and as an American I +thank you. Be assured, therefore, that I shall omit no opportunity of +convincing you of the regard and attachment, with which I have the +honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, July 10th, 1780. + + Sir, + +As a late and particular letter from me to your Excellency is now on +the way to America, and as I purpose to write again very fully by the +successor of M. Mirales, I decline saying much in this letter, which I +shall send by a circuitous and hazardous route. + +I have accepted bills to the amount of between eleven and twelve +thousand dollars. They arrive slowly, and I am very glad of it. No +news of Mr Laurens; I regret his absence. I hope the terms for the +sale of the bills on me will not be lowered. Remittances have really +become necessary. Distressed American seamen cost a great deal. The +house of Le Couteulx has advanced money for them at Cadiz. + +I had yesterday an application from the director of a hospital at St +Andeira, desiring to be informed whether I would be responsible for +the ordinary expenses of receiving and curing a New England master of +a vessel, who had escaped from captivity pennyless, having one of his +legs so injured by iron fetters as to be in danger of losing it. These +are calls of humanity, and I entreat Congress to enable me to obey +them, and to establish specific regulations for the conduct of these +affairs. + +The surrender of Charleston is the subject of much speculation, and +many unfavorable conjectures. I have received no public letters since +I left America, except one from the Committee, enclosing the +resolutions for drawing bills on me. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, July 13th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Never letter could have been more welcome than the favor your +Excellency honored us with of the 25th of the past month, since it +expressed a true concern about the bills drawn on Mr Laurens, and your +approbation of our conduct. As we from the beginning acted from +principle in the American cause, and never will prevaricate, this is +only from the same motive, but we shall be sorry if we should not be +supported, and that it is out of your Excellency's power to do it. We +cannot judge how far those drafts may go, and if we had not expected +that your Excellency, as well as Dr Franklin, would have been willing +and able to answer for a trifle, (one or two hundred thousand +guilders) in such a matter as this, it would have been a folly to +undertake it. + +Dr Franklin wrote to us, that people would be satisfied to have the +bills enregistered, but we found the contrary; several of them would +have them duly protested, and until today we have again accepted them +all; but how it will go further we do not know. We were very sensible +to the hint your Excellency was pleased to give us, of making a loan +here. We might from time to time have got some money in that way, if +properly authorised; and our good will and influence certainly would +have brought it further than it had been done by the House, which was +formerly intrusted with it, and we have long ago desired a loan should +be opened in our hands, but we never could properly obtain it. A +trifle of allowance, and chiefly the largeness of the sum, which was +required from us to answer for at once, prevented it; so we did not +think proper to mention it again. We can and may work for glory, but +on a large scale we cannot sacrifice our own interest. Every +catastrophe in favor of or against America, has with our public a +great influence. So the capture of Charleston would be very much +against us at this moment for such a purpose; and though we could not +flatter ourselves to go any length with it, a very particular +circumstance might revive the American spirit; and it would even +require some time before such a power was brought into due terms, +whereon we could engage anything. + +This is certain, that in a moment as critical as the present, a small +sum would save the honor of Congress, and in that light could not be +paid for too dear; which made us think on a method, that your +Excellency could employ a banker, and likewise Dr Franklin; that we, +drawing on either of your Excellencies, if we were sure you would +approve of it, could prolong terms in all probability, and without +doubt as long as should be needful, and until the arrival of Mr +Laurens, and that by his means and instructions proper measures could +be taken. + +We must also expect, that Congress, (as on the first days of May they +were informed, that Mr Laurens had not sailed,) will have been +attentive to provide for those bills, and have considered the +consequences, as we do in Europe. We write the same idea to Dr +Franklin, and propose to him, if he should not approve of such a +method, or find a better, to empower us for a loan, as we know he had +formerly instructions thereon. We are too nice and anxious for the +credit of Congress to make any use thereof, if it should hurt matters +any way; but it is not possible to know what may be done before a +proper trial; and we are obliged at last to speak plain, that whatever +bills now further should offer, we cannot accept any more. We wish our +proposals may not seem incongruous; we make them with the more +assurance, as we are not guided by any other motive, than by the most +extended desire to prevent every difficulty, which could in any way +affect the reputation of the United States. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, July 28th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Since we had the honor of writing to your Excellency, it is but just, +that we should inform you of the success of our proceedings in the +acceptance of the bills drawn on Henry Laurens, for which Dr Franklin, +by his last favor, has engaged, offering to accept further bills, when +sent to him, until the arrival of Mr Laurens, or that some good reason +may appear for the contrary. As this will answer the same purpose, and +we think it best, that there should not seem to be any alteration, we +offer today to continue our acceptance until forbid, under guarantee +of our being reimbursed in time. We are very much pleased, that the +matter is thus far settled for the honor of Congress. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, July 29th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +Your favor of the 13th instant was delivered to me last evening. I +admire the generous principles, which lead you to take so decided and +friendly a part in favor of America. I have too great confidence in +the honor, justice, and gratitude of Congress to suspect, that they +will permit you to be sufferers by your exertions in their favor. On +the contrary, I am persuaded they will entertain a proper sense of +your disinterested attachment, and with pleasure take every +opportunity of acknowledging it. + +Mr Laurens's absence is much to be regretted; his endeavors, aided by +your assistance, would probably have prevented the embarrassments, +which have taken place. I have not as yet received any advices of his +having sailed, and your information of his not having left America in +May is true. By a letter from a gentleman at Cadiz of the 21st instant +I learn, that a vessel from North Carolina had arrived in fortynine +days, and left Mr Laurens there on his way to Philadelphia. I am at a +loss to account for this, having no intelligence from America on the +subject. Perhaps his design was to sail from Philadelphia. If so, we +may still look out for him. Prudence, however, demands, that every +possible step be taken to alleviate the inconveniences arising from +his absence. If my power extended to this case, I should, without +hesitation, authorise you in a proper manner to make a loan in +Holland, and be much obliged to you for undertaking it. But my +instructions do not reach so far; all I can do is to advise as an +individual, and as a public servant, to represent in a true light to +Congress your benevolent efforts to preserve their credit. If Dr +Franklin has such instructions as you suppose, and his circumstances +will admit of it, I can at present see no objections to his taking +some such measures as you propose, until Mr Laurens's arrival; but of +this, he alone can properly judge. I shall write to him on the +subject, and you may rely on my doing everything in my power. I assure +you I feel myself, as an American, so much obliged by your generous +zeal to serve my country, that I shall be happy in being instrumental +to render the issue of it as agreeable and honorable to you, as the +principles on which you act are meritorious and noble. + +I flatter myself, that the unfavorable influence, which the capture of +Charleston has on the public, will be of short duration. When they +reflect, that America has nobly sustained a six years' war, fought +hard battles with various success, and lost and regained several of +their cities, they will find it ridiculous to believe, that the fate +of the Thirteen States is involved in that of one or two towns. The +like impressions were made, when New York, Philadelphia, and +Ticonderoga fell into the enemy's hands; and those impressions were +again removed by the battle of Trenton, the evacuation of +Philadelphia, the battle of Monmouth, the defeat and capture of +General Burgoyne and his army, and other victories on our side. Many +of these great events happened when America had no ally, and when +Britain had no other objects to divide her force. It is not +reasonable, therefore, to imagine, that the power of Britain has been +augmented by the accession of two formidable enemies, or that the +power of America has been diminished in proportion as the number of +her friends increased. + +Depend upon it, that as the spirit of America has always risen with +the successes of her enemies they will not, on this occasion, throw +away their arms, and ingloriously pass under the yoke of a nation +whose conduct towards her has been marked by injustice and oppression +in peace, and by malice and wanton barbarity in war. + +With sentiments of sincere regard and esteem, I have the honor to be, +&c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, August 16th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +My last to you was dated July 29th, in answer to yours of the 13th of +the same month. I have since had the pleasure to receive your favor of +the 28th of July, and am happy to hear that Dr Franklin has been able +to take the step you mention. I cannot forbear again to repeat the +sense I have of your very friendly conduct on this occasion. I assure +you I shall rejoice in every opportunity of acknowledging the +obligations you have conferred on my country. Such disinterested acts +of friendship are not common, and ought never to be forgotten. + +With sentiments of great and sincere esteem and regard, I have the +honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO SILAS DEANE. + + St Ildefonso, September 8th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +If I could easily be angry with an old friend, I should be so with +you. Your silence is unkind, and the more so as you might probably +have communicated things useful, as well as entertaining. Before we +parted in America, you gave me a cypher, and I really promised myself +much from it on your arrival in Europe. I could almost wish that the +winds had blown you this way. I would give a good deal for a day's +conversation with you, but that is impossible. A correspondence is the +only substitute, and perhaps you have detached yourself too much from +public concerns and public men to be troubled with it. I hope this is +not the case. It would be wrong to extend to a whole nation the +resentments excited by a few. Perhaps other reasons may have induced +your silence; whatever they may be I regret them. + +Adieu. I am, dear Sir, your most obedient servant, + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Ildefonso, September 16th, 1780. + + Sir, + +This letter and several copies of it are to be sent by the next post +to Bilboa, Cadiz, Nantes, &c. The object of it is to inform you, that +it is necessary immediately to cease drawing bills upon me for the +present. + +Your Excellency may soon expect a full detail of particulars; you will +then receive an answer to every question that may be raised upon this +letter. + +His Catholic Majesty has been pleased to offer his responsibility to +facilitate a loan of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for us, +payable in three years, and to promise us some clothing. This need not +be kept secret. I have written several letters to your Excellency, but +have received only one from the Committee since I left America. It +covered the resolutions respecting these bills. + +The Philadelphia bank, the ladies' subscriptions, and other +indications of union and public spirit, have a fine effect here. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY. + + In Congress, October 4th, 1780. + +On the report of a committee to whom were referred certain +instructions to the delegates of Virginia by their constituents, and a +letter of the 26th of May, from the Honorable John Jay, Congress +unanimously agreed to the following instructions to the Honorable John +Jay, Minister Plenipotentiary of the United States of America, at the +Court of Madrid. + +That the said Minister adhere to his former instructions, respecting +the right of the United States of America to the free navigation of +the river Mississippi into and from the sea; which right, if an +express acknowledgment of it cannot be obtained from Spain, is not by +any stipulation on the part of America to be relinquished. To render +the treaty to be concluded between the two nations permanent, nothing +can more effectually contribute, than a proper attention, not only to +the present but the future reciprocal interests of the contracting +powers. + +The river Mississippi being the boundary of several States in the +union, and their citizens, while connected with Great Britain, and +since the revolution, having been accustomed to the free use thereof, +in common with the subjects of Spain, and no instance of complaint or +dispute having resulted from it, there is no reason to fear, that the +future mutual use of the river by the subjects of the two nations, +actuated by friendly dispositions, will occasion any interruption of +that harmony which it is the desire of America, as well as of Spain, +should be perpetual. That if the unlimited freedom of the navigation +of the river Mississippi, with a free port, or ports below the 31st +degree of north latitude, accessible to merchant ships, cannot be +obtained from Spain, the said Minister in that case be at liberty to +enter into such equitable regulations as may appear a necessary +security against contraband; provided the right of the United States +to the free navigation of the river be not relinquished, and a free +port or ports as above described be stipulated to them. + +That with respect to the boundary alluded to in his letter of the 26th +of May last, the said Minister be, and hereby is instructed, to adhere +strictly to the boundaries of the United States as already fixed by +Congress. Spain having by the treaty of Paris ceded to Great Britain +all the country to the northeastward of the Mississippi, the people +inhabiting these States, while connected with Great Britain, and also +since the revolution, have settled themselves at divers places to the +westward near the Mississippi, are friendly to the revolution, and +being citizens of these United States, and subject to the laws of +those to which they respectively belong, Congress cannot assign them +over as subjects to any other power. + +That the said Minister be further informed, that in case Spain shall +eventually be in possession of East and West Florida, at the +termination of the war, it is of the greatest importance to these +United States to have the use of the waters running out of Georgia +through West Florida into the Bay of Mexico, for the purpose of +navigation; and that he be instructed to endeavor to obtain the same, +subject to such regulations as may be agreed on between the +contracting parties; and that as a compensation for this, he be and +hereby is empowered to guaranty the possession of the said Floridas to +the Crown of Spain. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, October 4th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +I have lately had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the 7th of +September. After the proofs you have given of disinterested zeal in +the cause of liberty and America, I cannot harbor a doubt of your +opposing the measures of a Court industriously employed in attempts to +destroy both. + +Your sentiments respecting the expediency of a connexion between the +United States and your Republic concur with my own, and I am persuaded +that those who know and wish well to the interests of both will +assiduously promote it. + +As I have received no further intelligence respecting Mr Laurens, I +can add nothing on that subject. I cannot doubt but that good reasons +have detained him, though I do not know what they are. Congress, I am +sure, will continue their attention to the objects of his appointment, +and will be happy in cultivating a friendly connexion with a people +whose history exhibits many instances of heroic and glorious exertions +in a cause similar to their own. Those among you who know history, and +venerate the names and characters of their forefathers, cannot consent +to be the instruments of despotism, to deprive others of those rights +which were purchased for themselves by the blood of their own +ancestors. + +When or how far it may consist with the views of Congress to make +mercantile appointments in your country, I cannot determine; should +they ever become necessary, I cannot doubt of your being remembered. +The most powerful recommendation I can give them, will be by sending +them our correspondence; and for that purpose, copies of all the +letters that have passed between us are now preparing, and shall, +together with duplicates and triplicates, be sent by the first +vessels. + +As to the late ordinance of Spain establishing a paper currency, it is +a subject on which I make no remarks, and for this very good reason, +that the policy and propriety of that measure are objects without my +sphere, on which I can have no influence, and which would not be +altered by anything I might say or write about them. + +The Mexican dollars, mentioned in the bills drawn upon me, I +understand to be only another name for Spanish milled dollars, which +you know pass here at twenty reals of vellon. How far the sale or +payment of these may be affected by the paper in question I know not, +though I must confess that I do not apprehend so much evil from it as +some others do. These bills will be on an equal footing with all +others drawn on Spain, and you will readily suppose it not to be in +my power to put them on a better. + +The King of Spain has been so kind as to offer to become responsible +to a certain amount for monies which I may borrow for Congress, +payable in three years. Be so kind as to inform me whether this could +be done in your country, on their _joint credit_, how far, and on what +terms. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO JAMES LOVELL. + + Madrid, October 27th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +Your letter of the 11th of July gave me much pleasure. There is a +degree of ease and cordiality in it, which, as mere letters of +business do not require, I am the more obliged to you for. + +It is true that I might write to Congress very often, indeed by every +vessel, and there are many of them. But how are my letters to get to +the sea-side? By the post? They would be _all_ inspected, and many +suppressed. There is scarce a man in any of the ports, except Mr +Harrison at Cadiz, with whom I would trust them; so that if, under +different covers, I should get them there, the danger would not end. +To write often, and write nothing material, would be useless; and when +you see my public letters, by this opportunity, you will perceive, +that, to be well understood, I must write a great deal. + +I would throw stones too, with all my heart, if I thought they would +hit only the committee, without injuring the members of it. Till now I +have received but one letter from them, and that not worth a farthing, +though it conveyed a draft for one hundred thousand pounds sterling +on the bank of hope. + +One good private correspondent would be worth twenty committees, made +of the wisest heads in America, for the purpose of intelligence. What +with clever wives, or pretty girls, or pleasant walks, or too tired, +or too busy, or do you do it, very little is done, much postponed, +and more neglected. If you are naturally industrious, and love your +country, you would frequently take up your pen and your cyphers, and +tell me how the wheel of politics runs, and what measures it is from +time to time turning out. I should be better informed and Congress +better served. I now get more intelligence of your affairs from the +French Ambassador, than from all the members of Congress put together. + +I had written thus far, when I received a letter from M. Le Couteulx +at Cadiz, enclosing a letter of the 16th of September, written at St +Ildefonso from me to Congress. It had been enclosed in one to Mr +Harrison, and that again put under cover to M. Le Couteulx, and, under +these two covers, it was put into the post office. Now mark its fate. +The Director of the post office at Cadiz showed it to M. Le Couteulx, +naked and stripped of its two covers, of which he made no mention. He +said it came from Bayonne, but M. Le Couteulx, knowing my hand +writing, paid the postage, and returned it to me. This is only one +among many instances of the fate to which my letters are subjected. To +avoid it, I must now be at the expense of sending Colonel Livingston +to the sea-side with my despatches. + +When at Cadiz, I heard some of our countrymen, who had been prisoners +at Lisbon, speak handsomely of M. Dohrmer. They mentioned his having +supplied them with necessaries, but at the same time told me that he +had been employed for the purpose by Dr Franklin. Hence it happened +that I declined mentioning his usefulness to Congress. I considered +him as an agent of Dr Franklin, who did his duty faithfully, and +thought it would be more proper for him to recommend his services to +the notice of Congress than for me. + +I am, dear Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, November 6th, 1780. + + Sir, + +The last particular letter I had the honor of writing to your +Excellency was dated the 26th of May, and, with a duplicate, was +carried to Cadiz by Mr Harrison, who sent one by the Peacock, Captain +Davis, to Boston, and the other by the General Arnold, Captain +Jenkins, to Alexandria in Virginia. They both sailed in June last, and +the former, I hear, arrived safe after a short passage. + +I have since written several letters to your Excellency, but as they +went to the seaports by the post, none of them contained anything +material, except one from St Ildefonso of the 16th of September, +advising Congress of the necessity of suspending further drafts on me +for the present. + +Congress will recollect, that my letter of the 26th of May contained +notes of a conference I had with the Minister on the 11th of that +month, on the subjects of my two former letters to him, the first in +answer to his questions, and the latter relative to the resolution for +drawing bills upon me. It may be remembered also, that, in this +conference, the Minister promised me his sentiments in writing in a +few days, as well on the subject of the proposed treaty, as on the +bills which were daily expected. The first I have not yet received, +and it was not before the 7th of June that I was favored with the +latter. + +In this interval there arrived here from England, by the way of +Lisbon, an Abbé Hussey. He came to Lisbon in company with Mr +Cumberland, one of Lord George Germain's secretaries, who, with his +family, purposed, on obtaining permission, to come to Madrid. This +priest was known to many, being a pensioner of the Spanish Court, and +formerly in the late Prince Massarano's family. Indeed he took no +pains to conceal himself, or his business, which was to obtain +permission for his friend to proceed, on account of the bad health of +a daughter. Mr Carmichael watched his motions with success and +industry, and was the first who mentioned his arrival to me. He hired +lodgings and a coach for Mr Cumberland, and visited several persons +about the Court, particularly M. del Campo, First Secretary of the +Minister. + +On the first of June I received a card from the Minister, desiring to +see me at nine o'clock the next evening. I waited upon him +accordingly. The following are notes of what passed upon that +occasion. + + [Notes of a Conference between his Excellency the Count de + Florida Blanca and Mr Jay, in the office of the former at + Aranjues, 2d of June, 1780, reduced to writing, immediately + after the conference ended, by Mr Carmichael, who was present + at it.] + + In consequence of a card received by Mr Jay yesterday, from + his Excellency the Count de Florida Blanca, appointing him a + meeting at nine o'clock this evening, Mr Jay waited on him at + that hour. The conversation commenced on the part of the + Minister, with polite inquiries for the state of Mr Jay's + health, which, he said, had induced him not to send the notes + promised on the former meeting, at the time when appointed, + as he had been informed that he was indisposed. He attributed + to his own frequent ill state of health (a disorder of the + nerves, occasioned by his necessary application to business) + the disappointment and delay to which, without intending it, + the business that passed through his hands was sometimes + subjected. He then said, that on Sunday following, at eleven + o'clock in the forenoon, if Mr Carmichael would wait on him, + he would send Mr Jay the notes formerly promised him. + + He added that his reason for desiring to see him at present + proceeded from something mentioned to him by the French + Ambassador, of which he supposed he was informed. He + recapitulated what he had before mentioned of the King's good + faith and favorable disposition towards America, and entered + more fully into his conduct in the negotiation with Great + Britain, when the Court of Spain proposed a truce between + that country and the United States, observing, that as the + King at that period was determined not to sacrifice our + interests, it could not be supposed that now, when at war + with Great Britain, his Majesty would be less disposed to + maintain them. After these reflections and assurances, he + told Mr Jay that the person lately from England, by the way + of Portugal, was the chaplain of their former Embassy at + London; that he had been there for some time on his private + affairs, and had at the same time instructions concerning an + exchange of prisoners, which their sufferings rendered + expedient; that the death of an uncle, a chaplain of the + Court, had obliged him to return; that an English gentleman + and his family had come to Lisbon with him, under the + pretext, or really on account of the ill health of a + daughter, to whom the Duke of Dorset was much attached; that + the opposition made by his friends to the marriage had + affected her health, and that this family was desirous of + passing through Spain to Italy. He added, that this gentleman + was one of Lord George Germain's secretaries, and would + perhaps have some proposals to make for an exchange of + prisoners, and possibly others of a different nature, which + he assured Mr Jay should be communicated to him as candidly + as he had communicated the extravagant scheme presented by + Sir J. Dalrymple. He desired Mr Jay, therefore, to make + himself easy on this subject, giving new assurances of the + King's strict regard to justice and good faith, and of his + disposition to assist America. + + Mr Jay begged him to be persuaded of the perfect confidence + of America and himself, and of their reliance on the good + faith, justice, and honor of his Catholic Majesty; that he + had no other apprehension from the circumstance of Englishmen + resorting to this Court, than that the enemy would on this, + as on former occasions, avail themselves of it, by + endeavoring to alarm and deceive our people. + + The Count de Florida Blanca assured Mr Jay, that he would + shortly give him such proofs of the King's intentions, as + would enable him to prevent any bad effects from such + misrepresentations, and convince America of his Majesty's + favorable disposition and good faith. After repeating + assurances of his full confidence, Mr Jay mentioned that he + had received two bills of exchange, drawn by order of + Congress on him, and that he should take no measures on that + subject, as he had before the honor of telling him, till he + had consulted his Excellency. The Count, having asked the + amount, and being told that the bills were for between six + and seven hundred dollars, told him, smiling, that he might + accept them, and he hoped so to arrange matters, as, in a + short time, to make him easy on that head. He then said, that + an expedition had been suggested to him, in which the + Americans might co-operate; but, without entering into + particulars, he recollected himself, and said he would send + the project to Mr Jay by Mr Carmichael at the same time that + he should give him the other papers. The conference ended + with mutual compliments. + + _June 4th._ This morning the Chevalier de Burgoing, Secretary + of the French Embassy, waited on Mr Jay, and afterwards on Mr + Carmichael, and told them the Ambassador had informed him, + that the Count de Florida Blanca had received despatches from + Versailles, which demanded his instant attention, and that, + therefore, he could not see Mr Carmichael until the 5th, at + the hour mentioned in the conference of the 2d. Mr Jay, + however, having received no direct message from the Minister, + thought it proper for Mr Carmichael to wait on him at the + place and hour appointed. Accordingly he went to the Bureau + of Foreign Affairs, and was told by order of the Minister, + that he had desired the Ambassador to acquaint Mr Jay, that + he could not see Mr Carmichael that day, but desired to see + him next Monday, at eleven. + + _June 5th._ Mr Carmichael waited on the Minister, agreeably + to appointment, who, on his entrance, immediately expressed + his concern, that the arrival of a courier, which informed + him of the intentions of the Court of Great Britain to + expedite the sailing of their grand fleet, had engaged his + attention so much as to prevent him from fulfilling his + promise of sending the notes mentioned in the former + conferences, that he would certainly do it on the Wednesday + following, and desired Mr Carmichael to wait on him that day + at the same hour to receive them. He then mentioned an + expedition, which had been proposed to him from Bilboa, to + intercept the homeward bound ships of the East India Company, + by equipping some frigates in America at the expense of his + Catholic Majesty, desiring Mr Carmichael to communicate this + to Mr Jay, that he might turn his attention to that object, + to enable him to judge of the probability of its success. He + touched slightly on the subject of bills of exchange, and on + the only difficulty of the treaty, viz. the navigation of the + Mississippi, which he said he hoped some middle means might + be hit on to obviate. He concluded by saying that he would + give his sentiments on that, and other subjects to Mr Jay in + writing at the time abovementioned, and hoped that he would + believe the delay hitherto proceeded from no other motives + than those he had mentioned. Mr Carmichael assured him, that + Mr Jay was too sensible of the importance of his other + occupations, and of his candor, to impute the delay to any + other cause, and after common civilities he withdrew. + +This conversation needs no comment. It promised well. On or about the +19th of June, Mr Cumberland, his wife, and two daughters arrived, +appeared publicly, and were openly visited and received by persons of +distinction. But although it was not difficult to know who he was, +and with whom he associated, his business and measures continue to +this day mere objects of conjecture, further that he or the Minister +has thought proper to communicate them.[25] The impression made by his +arrival on the minds of the people is worthy of remark. They supposed +his errand to be secret overtures for peace, and as far as I can judge +were very glad of it. There is reason to believe that he favored these +conjectures from the first. He has since said publicly, that he was +authorised to offer to Spain Gibraltar, and other advantageous terms. + +On the 7th of June, I received from the Minister his notes on the +subject of aids. They are in these words. + + Translation. + + Aranjues, June 7th, 1780. + + "His Catholic Majesty would be very glad to be able to + furnish, at the present crisis, funds for the payment of the + one hundred thousand pounds sterling, proposed to be + addressed to Mr Jay, in order to evince the concern which the + King takes in the prosperity and relief of the United States + of North America, as well as in the personal satisfaction of + the abovementioned gentleman. But the demands of the present + war, and the great difficulty there would be to transport + hither the treasures of the King's possessions in that part + of the world, render it impracticable to furnish here, the + said sum in specie, as could be wished. Some expedient, + however, may be found to remedy this inconvenience. For + example; if the owners of the bills of exchange would be + content with the security or responsibility of his Catholic + Majesty, to pay the sum already mentioned in the term of two + years. The King will readily agree to such an arrangement, + even if it should be found necessary to add a moderate + interest. This security, given by such a sovereign as the + King of Spain, would induce the owners of those bills of + exchange, and the creditors of Congress to consent to a + measure so advantageous, and would equally serve to sustain + the credit and good faith of the same body. + + "Mr Jay, therefore, is entreated to reflect on the idea just + stated to him, and in answer to inform us what measures he + thinks suitable to this scheme, in order that they may be + laid before the King, and his orders taken thereon. If the + expedient in question should be adopted, it will at the same + time be necessary to take measures in concert to reimburse to + the King this considerable sum, as well as others already + expended in favor of the United States. The first idea which + offers for reciprocal convenience is that Congress should + engage to build without delay some handsome frigates and + other smaller vessels of war, fixing the price of each, and + the time when they will be finished. + + "This point once settled, it will be proper immediately to + take measures to equip these vessels as fast as they are + ready; to point out what articles will be necessary to send + from Spain for this purpose, and in what port they will have + notice to receive them. After this it is expedient to be + informed, whether the Americans themselves will engage to + come to the ports of Bilboa, St Ander, Ferrol, or Cadiz, for + the said articles, which they will find ready, and afterwards + transport them in their own vessels of war or letters of + marque to America. On this supposition it is conjectured, + that it would be easy to find hands enough in America to man + these new built vessels, which will sail under Spanish + colors. There are certainly among the subjects of the said + United States many who have made the voyage, and are + acquainted with the usual route of the ships of the English + East India Company, and who know perfectly well the ports and + places at which they stop. This fact established, it is + proposed to equip in the ports of the United States four good + frigates, and some other lighter vessels, with the effects + which shall be sent from hence on account of Spain. This + small squadron, under Spanish colors, shall be employed to + intercept the convoys of the said Company by cruising in the + proper latitudes. The measures just pointed out appear to be + the most proper to reimburse, in some shape, the expenses + already incurred by his Catholic Majesty, and to answer for + such security as has been proposed to be given in this + memoir. It being always understood, that a share of the + prizes taken from the English by this small squadron shall be + given to the crews, and even to Congress, in proportion to + the assistance which they shall furnish for the equipment of + the vessels. + + "A speedy and decisive answer to all the points here + enumerated is requested, and Mr Jay is too enlightened not to + perceive that the common cause is interested therein." + +To this paper, which deserves much attention, I returned the +following answer. + + "Aranjues, June 9th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The propositions which your Excellency did me the honor to + send on the 7th inst. have been considered with all the + attention, which their great importance demands. + + "The evidence they contain of his Majesty's friendly + disposition towards the United States will, I am persuaded, + make correspondent impressions on the citizens of America; + and permit me to assure you, that his Majesty's desire of + contributing to my personal satisfaction by measures + conducive to the welfare of my country, has excited my + warmest acknowledgments and attachment. + + "The enlarged ideas my constituents entertain of the power, + wealth, and resources of Spain, are equal to those they have + imbibed of the wisdom and probity of his Catholic Majesty, + and of that noble and generous system of policy, which has + induced him to patronize their cause, and, by completing + their separation from Great Britain, effectually to disarm + the latter. Such wise and liberal designs, followed by such + great and extensive consequences, would add a bright page to + the annals of a reign already signalised by important events. + It is, therefore, with deep regret that Congress would + receive information that the aid they solicit, small when + compared with their ideas of the resources of Spain, has been + rendered impracticable by the expenses of a war, which, on + the part of Spain, is of a recent date. Nor will their + disappointment be less than their regret, when they find + their credit diminished by the failure of a measure, from the + success of which they expected to raise it. + + "The kind disposition of his Majesty to become responsible at + the expiration of two years for the amount of the bills in + question, and that even with interest, is a proof of his + goodness, by which I am confident the United States will + consider themselves greatly obliged. But when it is + considered that bills of exchange, immediately on being drawn + and sold, become a medium in commerce, and pass through + various hands in satisfaction of various mercantile + contracts; that the drawer and every endorser become + responsible for their credit at every transfer; and that the + object of the merchants last holding the bills, as well as of + all other merchants, is money in hand or actively employed in + trade, and not money lying still, at an interest greatly + inferior to the usual profits to be gained in commerce; I + say, on considering these things, it appears to me that, + although no objection can be made to the good faith of his + Majesty, which is acknowledged by all the world, yet that the + last holders of the bills will prefer recovering the amount + of them, with the usual damages on protests, to delay of + payment for two years with interest. + + "Should these bills, therefore, meet with this fate, his + Majesty will readily perceive its influence on the credit, + operations, and feelings of the United States; on the common + cause; on the hopes and spirits of the enemy. The necessity + or prudence which detains his Majesty's treasure in his + American dominions, is an unfortunate circumstance at a time + when it might be so usefully employed. There is, + nevertheless, room to hope, that the great superiority of the + allied fleets and armaments in the American seas will, in the + course of a year or eighteen months, render its + transportation safe and easy, and that the greater part of it + may arrive before the bills in question would become payable. + This will appear more probable, when the time necessary to + sell these bills, and the time which will be consumed in + their passage from America, and the time which will be + employed in their journey from different ports of Europe to + this place, are all added to the half a year which is + allotted for the payment of them after they have been + presented. I am authorised and ready to engage and pledge + the faith of the United States for the punctual repayment, + with interest, and within a reasonable term, of any sums of + money which his Majesty may be so kind as to lend them. + + "As to the aids heretofore supplied to the United States, I + am without information relative to the precise terms on which + they were furnished, as well as their amount. When I left + Congress, they appeared to me not to possess full and + positive intelligence on these points. I ascribe this, not to + omissions in their commissioner, who then had the direction + of these affairs, but to those miscarriages and accidents, to + which the communication of intelligence to a distant country + is liable in time of war. If it should appear proper to your + Excellency, in order that I may be furnished with an accurate + and full statement of these transactions, I will do myself + the honor of transmitting them immediately to Congress; and, + as they happened prior to my appointment, I shall request + particular instructions on the subject. + + "With respect to the plan proposed for the repayment of such + sums as Spain may lend to the United States, viz. by the + latter furnishing the former with frigates, &c. &c. I beg + leave to submit the following remarks to your Excellency's + consideration. In the United States there are timber, iron, + masts, shipwrights, pitch, tar, and turpentine; and Spain can + furnish the other requisites. But neither the timber, the + iron, the masts, nor the other articles, can be procured + without money. The Congress are in great want of money for + the immediate purposes of self-defence, for the maintenance + of their armies and vessels of war, and for all the other + expenses incident to military operations. The Congress, + pressed by their necessities, have emitted bills of credit, + till the depreciation of them forbids further emissions. They + have made loans from their great and good ally, and, in aid + of the system of gaining supplies by taxation and domestic + loans, they have, for the reasons which I have already had + the honor of explaining to your Excellency, drawn upon me the + bills before mentioned. These bills will be sold in the + United States for paper money, and that money will be + immediately wanted for the purposes I have enumerated. If, + therefore, this money was to be turned into frigates, the + obvious ends of drawing those bills would not be attained. + The war against the United States has raged without + intermission for six years already, and it will not be in + their power to pay their debts during its further + continuance, nor until the return of peace and uninterrupted + commerce shall furnish them with the means of doing it. + + "That excellent frigates and other vessels may be built in + America cheaper than in Europe, I am persuaded. And I know, + that Congress will cheerfully give every aid in their power + to facilitate the execution of any plan of that kind, which + his Majesty may adopt, but, Sir, their necessities will not + permit them to supply money to those purposes, and I should + deceive your Excellency with delusive expectations, were I to + lead you to think otherwise. I would rather, that the United + States should be without money than without good faith; and, + therefore, neither my own principles of action, nor the + respect due to his Majesty and reputation of my country, will + ever suffer me (if my authority extended so far) to enter + into any contracts, which I had not the highest reason to + believe would be fully, fairly, and punctually performed on + the part of my constituents. Nor, in case his Majesty should + think proper to cause frigates to be built in America, can I + encourage your Excellency to expect, that they could be + easily manned there for cruises. The fact is, that the + American frigates often find difficulties in completing their + compliments, principally because the seamen prefer going in + privateers, which are numerous, and too useful to be + discouraged. + + "The design of preparing an armament to intercept the English + East Indiamen appears to me very judicious. The enemy draw + their resources from commerce; to annoy the one, therefore, + is to injure the other. Before the present war, there were + several, but not a great many Americans, well acquainted with + the route of the East Indiamen. But whether any number of + these men could now be secretly collected is uncertain; for + if by a particular selection of and inquiry for them, the + enemy should become apprized of the design, they would + naturally take measures to frustrate it. For my part, I + should suppose, that many of these men are not necessary, and + that the proper number may be had from France, if not from + America. + + "The idea of the United States co-operating in the execution + of this plan is flattering, and the terms proposed generous. + But so far as this co-operation will depend on the building + of frigates there as proposed, it cannot be effected from + their want of money. Whether the American frigates could be + employed in such an enterprise, that is, whether the + services, for which they may be already destined, will admit + of it, are, with other similar circumstances, necessary to be + known before that question could possibly be answered. The + distance from America, and the length of time necessary to + ask for and receive information and instructions from + thence, are such, that it would probably be more expedient, + that engagements for these purposes should be discussed and + concluded there than here. The circumstances of the United + States, while invaded, will be more fluctuating than those of + Spain, and measures in which they might conveniently embark + at one period, may shortly after be rendered impracticable by + the vicisitudes of war. It is further to be observed, that a + people, rising amidst such terrible struggles, with an + extensive country to defend, and that country invaded, and, + as it were, on fire in several places at once, are not in + good condition for foreign enterprises; but, on the contrary, + that it must generally be their interest, and of course their + policy, to keep their forces and strength at home, till the + expulsion of their enemies shall afford them leisure and + opportunities for distant and offensive operations. + + "Whenever this period shall arrive, his Majesty may be + assured, that the United States will not remain idle, but + that, impelled by resentments too deep and too just to be + transitory, as well as by unshaken attachment to their + friends, they will persevere with firmness and constancy in + the common cause, and cheerfully unite their efforts with + those of France and Spain, in compelling the common enemy to + accept of reasonable terms of peace. I can, also, with great + confidence, assure your Excellency that the United States + will be happy in every opportunity, which may offer during + the war, of joining their arms to those of Spain, and in + co-operating with them in any expeditions, which + circumstances may render expedient against the Floridas, or + other objects. The Americans would most cheerfully fight by + the side of the Spaniards, and by spilling their blood in the + same cause, and on the same occasion, convince them of their + ardent desire to become their faithful friends and steadfast + allies. + + "I cannot prevail upon myself to conclude, without expressing + to your Excellency my apprehension of the anxiety, and + painful concern, with which Congress would receive + intelligence of the failure of their bills, and especially + after the expectations they have been induced to conceive of + the successful issue of their affairs here. What conclusions + the enemy would draw from the inability of Spain to advance + the sum in question, even to men actually in arms against + Great Britain, I forbear to mention, nor would it become me + to point out the several evil consequences flowing from such + an event, to those who enjoy from nature and experience more + discernment than I am blessed with. + + "I still flatter myself, that some expedients may be devised + to surmount the present difficulties, and that the harvest of + laurels now ripening for his Majesty in America will not be + permitted to wither for want of watering. + + "Influenced by this hope, I shall delay transmitting any + intelligence respecting this matter to Congress, till your + Excellency shall be pleased to communicate to me his + Majesty's further pleasure on the subject. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +Your Excellency will doubtless observe, that this answer does not +comprehend all the objections to which the Minister's plan is liable, +such, for instance, as the proposal that the vessels proposed to be +built in America, with the money of America, and to be navigated by +Americans, should sail under _Spanish colors, &c._ I thought it most +prudent to avoid taking notice of these and similar circumstances, +lest objections, which might be ascribed to pride, as well as reason, +might lose their force in that supposition, and, instead of +convincing, serve only to irritate. + +Nothing further passed between the Minister and myself except a +message or two respecting each other's health, until the 19th day of +June, when I sent him the following card. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his + Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca, and takes the + liberty of enclosing the copy of a note he has just received, + respecting a bill drawn upon him for three hundred and + thirtythree dollars. From this his Excellency will perceive + the painful situation Mr Jay is in. He forbears making any + reflections on it, being persuaded that his Excellency's + wisdom and sensibility render them unnecessary. + + "_Madrid, June 19th, 1780._" + +On the 20th instant I received the following answer. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca will have no difficulty in + paying the bill of three hundred and thirtythree dollars + mentioned in Mr Jay's note of yesterday, both on account of + its small value, and in consequence of what he had the honor + to offer him at their last conference; but he cannot forbear + observing to Mr Jay, that it will be impossible to show the + same complaisance for other bills without consulting the + pleasure of the King. + + "The means hitherto proposed not having been considered as + agreeable to Congress, it has become necessary to seek for + others, and Mr Jay will do well to think seriously on this + subject, and communicate to the Count de Florida Blanca + whatever his wisdom and information may suggest to him." + +This looked dry, and indicated a degree of irritation, though it held +up the idea of further means. + +I replied to it on the 22d of June, as follows. + + "Madrid, June 22d, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I received the note your Excellency did me the honor to + write on the 20th instant, and I take the earliest + opportunity of expressing my thanks for your Excellency's + permission to accept the bills mentioned in it, which I have + accordingly done. + + "Agreeably to your Excellency's recommendation in the first + conference, I have turned my thoughts very seriously to the + objects which were the subjects of it, relative to the bills + drawn upon me; they were two. + + "1st. The means of paying these bills. + + "2dly. The proposed contract with America for light vessels, + &c. + + "With respect to the _first_, it appeared to me, that the + principal difficulty was removed by your Excellency's + informing me, '_that at the end of the present year, it would + be in your power to advance twentyfive, thirty, or forty + thousand pounds sterling_.' Hence I inferred, that as much + time would be taken up in the sale, negotiation, and + transmission of those bills, and as so long a space as six + months was assigned for their payment, after being presented, + that the sums which it would be in your Excellency's power to + advance at the end of the year, would probably be equal to + the amount of the bills which would then become payable; and + that in the mean time such further means might be provided, + as would obviate difficulties with respect to those that + might afterwards become due. When I reflected that I was a + stranger to the resources of Spain, and that your + Excellency's acknowledged abilities comprehended all the + objects and combinations necessary in determining what + supplies they were capable of affording, and the manner and + means most proper for the purpose, it appeared to me in the + light of presumption to hazard to your Excellency any + propositions on the subject. + + "2dly. On considering the proposed contract, it became + important to distinguish between the building these vessels + with the money of the United States, or with that of Spain. + The latter was very practicable, and I gave your Excellency + that opinion in my letter of the 9th instant. The former, on + the contrary, appeared to me not to be within the power of + the United States, and candor obliged me to make this known + to your Excellency in the same letter. + + "I knew it to be impossible for Congress, consistent with + good faith, to contract; that, notwithstanding their great + want of money, the injuries of a six years' war, and their + being actually invaded, they would repay immediately the + monies lent them, either in ships or otherwise. It is not + uncommon for ancient and opulent nations to find it necessary + to borrow money in time of war, but I believe it very seldom + happens, that they find it convenient to pay those debts till + the return of peace. If this be the case with powerful and + long established nations, more cannot be expected from a + young nation brought forth by oppression, and rising amidst + every species of violence and devastation, which fire, sword, + and malice can furnish for their destruction. + + "If attentive only to obtaining payment of these bills, and + thereby relieving my country from the complicated evils which + must result from their being protested, I had entered into + the proposed engagements for immediate repayment, by building + vessels, &c. if I had done this, notwithstanding a full + conviction, that the contract so made could not be fulfilled, + my conduct, however convenient in its immediate consequences, + would have been highly reprehensible. This reflection, + therefore, will I hope convince your Excellency of the purity + of my intentions, and induce you to ascribe my objections to + the contract, to want of ability, and not to want of + inclination in the United States to perform it. No + consideration will ever prevail upon me to practise + deception, and I am happy in a persuasion, that although + truths may sometimes not please, yet that when delivered with + decency and respect, they will never offend either his + Majesty or your Excellency. + + "Believe me, Sir, the United States will not be able to pay + their debts during the war, and therefore any plan whatever + calculated on a contrary position must be fruitless. I am + ready to pledge their faith for repaying to his Majesty, + within a reasonable term after the war, and with a reasonable + interest, any sums he may be so kind as to lend them. What + more can I offer? What more can they do? If there be any + services they can do to his Majesty, consistent with their + safety and defence, they are ready and will be happy to + render them. They respect the King and the nation, and at the + very time they are requesting his aid, they are soliciting to + be united to him by bonds of perpetual amity and alliance. + Against his enemies as well as their own, they are now in + arms; and the supplies they ask are not for the purpose of + luxury or aggrandizement, but for the sole and express + purpose of annoying those enemies, and enabling France, + Spain, and themselves, to obtain a peace honorable and + advantageous to each. + + "Of his Majesty's kind disposition towards them, they had + received not only professions but proofs. Hence they became + inspired not only with gratitude, but with confidence in his + friendship. Impelled by this confidence, and a particular + concurrence of exigencies already explained to your + Excellency, they drew the bills in question. The issue of + this measure will be highly critical, and followed by a train + of consequences very important and extensive. The single + circumstance of your Excellency having permitted me to accept + the first of these bills, will be considered by our enemies + as an unfortunate omen. By predicting from it further aids, + their ideas of the resources of Spain, and the resistance of + America will naturally be raised, and their hopes of subduing + the one, or reducing the power of the other, will naturally + be diminished. They will impute these aids to a plan of the + House of Bourbon, wisely concerted and firmly persisted in, + to secure themselves and all Europe against the ambition of + Britain, by completing the division of her empire, and they + will cease to flatter themselves, that America thus aided + will become destitute of resources to carry on the war. On + the other hand, America will derive fresh vigor from this + mark of friendship, and their attachment to his Majesty + become proportionably more strong. By mutual good offices, + friendship between nations, as between individuals, is only + to be established; and it is always a happy circumstance when + it subsists between those, whom nature has placed contiguous + to each other. But your Excellency's time is of too great + importance to be engaged by such obvious reflections. + + "Permit me, Sir, still to indulge the pleasing expectation of + being enabled to inform Congress, that his Majesty's + magnanimity and friendship have prompted him, though + inconvenient to his own affairs, to secure the credit of + their bills; and I am persuaded that the benevolence of your + Excellency's disposition will be gratified in being + instrumental in a measure, which would make such agreeable + impressions on the hearts and minds of so great a number of + steadfast friends to the Spanish monarchy. + + "I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +As this letter was, among other things, designed to establish the +expectations and encouragement given me by the Minister, as to money, +in the last conference, by obliging him either to deny them against +truth, or admit them, at least, by his silence, I desired Mr +Carmichael to deliver it with his own hands, which he accordingly did. +It still remains unanswered. + +Your Excellency will be at no loss to perceive, that this was an +improper season for pushing on the treaty, and that it would not have +been prudent to have given poignancy to the Minister's feelings for +the loss of his frigates, and the trouble of our bills, by disputes +about the Mississippi, &c. &c. I therefore did not remind him of the +notes he had promised, nor indeed say anything at all about the +matter. + +About this time I met with a printed copy of an act of the State of +Connecticut, reciting and adopting the resolutions of Congress of the +18th of March last, respecting the former and new paper emissions. +This was the first advice I had of those resolutions. The promise of +annual interest in Europe appeared to me to be a hardy measure, +though, in my opinion, the weakest side of the plan. + +Finding the Minister's heart and imagination much attached to his +favorite idea of getting American frigates at the expense of the +United States, I gave him the following hint. + + "Madrid, June 28th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency, + herewith enclosed, a copy of an act of the State of + Connecticut, just come to hand, in which are recited certain + resolutions of Congress, passed the 18th of March last. + + "These resolutions are calculated to put the American + finances on a permanent footing. They direct, among other + things, that bills be issued, redeemable in specie, with + interest, at the expiration of six years. The interest to be + paid at the redemption of the bills, or at the election of + the holder annually, at the American Loan Offices, in + sterling bills of exchange on the commissioners in Europe. + + "Your Excellency will perceive, that when this plan, so well + concerted, shall be fully executed, it will furnish the + United States with resources equal to all the exigencies of + the war, and probably enable them to supply his Catholic + Majesty with vessels, &c, &c. + + "I take the liberty, therefore, of submitting to your + Excellency's consideration, whether it would not be for the + benefit of both nations, that his Majesty, on the one hand, + should engage his responsibility for the credit of a certain + proportion of the sum so to be emitted; and that the United + States, on the other hand, should not only pledge their faith + to indemnify his Majesty, but also furnish him with certain + aids in vessels, &c. + + "If your Excellency should think this hint worthy of your + attention, it will be easy to improve it, and adjust the + particulars. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +This letter was accompanied with the following one, on the subject of +some more bills that had just arrived. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency + the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor of informing + him, that he has been called upon to accept bills to the + amount of between ten and eleven thousand dollars; that the + far greater part of them belong to Messrs Joyce of this city, + who have agreed to wait for an answer until Monday next. + + "Mr Jay exceedingly regrets his being obliged to give his + Excellency so much trouble, but still flatters himself, that, + when his Excellency considers it as his duty which imposes + that necessity upon him, his goodness will excuse it. + + _Madrid, June 28th, 1780._" + +I ought also to add, that I had sent to the Count a representation on +the subject of a very high handed stretch of power in the Governor of +Teneriffe, towards a prize carried there by some Americans. On the +next day I received the following answer to these three papers. + + Translation. + + "Aranjues, June 29th, 1780. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca has had the honor of the three + last letters, which Mr Jay has been pleased to write him. + + "The first relates to a privateer detained in the Canaries. + On this point he can say nothing until he has obtained some + further information thereon. + + "The second respects some new bills of exchange just + presented by Messrs Joyce, to the amount of between ten and + eleven thousand dollars. The Count can give no positive + answer hereon, without first taking the orders of the King, + his master, and having a meeting with the other Ministers, + and some of these having already gone to Madrid, a + determination cannot be immediately had, which renders it + necessary for Mr Jay to require Messrs Joyce to wait some + days longer for the answer in question. + + "The third contains a project of an arrangement, by which his + Majesty should oblige himself for his responsibility for + certain sums in favor of Congress, and they, on their part, + for the indemnification of the said sums at a certain period, + by furnishing some vessels, &c. Mr Jay is therefore entreated + to draw out a more clear and precise plan on this subject, + noting therein the sum to which the responsibility of the + King should extend, and on which they may converse at their + first interview. + + "In the meanwhile the Count has the honor of assuring him of + the sincerity of his esteem and attachment." + +Congress will observe, that the Minister still kept up the idea of an +interference in favor of these bills. On the 3d of July, the Count +having removed to Madrid, he wrote me a note expressing the same idea. +It is in these words + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and prays to be informed when the last bills of + exchange, which he mentioned the other day as being in the + hands of Messrs Joyce, and amounting to about ten or eleven + thousand dollars, will become payable. At the Palace, 3d of + July, 1780." + +Thus things were apparently in good train, when the news of the loss +of Charleston became credible. The effect of it was as visible the +next day, as that of a hard night's frost on young leaves. + +I requested a conference with the Minister, and had one on the evening +of the 5th of July. The following are notes of it. + + Madrid, July 5th, 1780. + + Mr Jay waited on the Count de Florida Blanca agreeably to an + appointment made by the latter to meet at his house at half + past eight this evening. + + After the usual compliments, the bad news relative to the + surrender of Charleston, just received, became the topic of + conversation. The Count mentioned the channels through which + he had received it, viz. by an express despatched by the + Spanish Ambassador at Lisbon, in consequence of intelligence + which Governor Johnson had received and published in that + city, and by letters from the Count d'Aranda, with the + accounts printed at London of the affair. He expressed his + sorrow on the occasion, but observed, that the Count d'Aranda + flattered him, that the arrival of the Chevalier de Ternay in + that part of the world would totally change the face of + affairs, particularly as there would be eight vessels of the + line, and more than five thousand troops instead of three + thousand, and three vessels of the line which he had been + informed were demanded by General Washington. + + He seemed to think it strange, that the place had not been + better defended, and that more vigorous measures had not + been taken to impede the enemy's progress, and observed, that + if the town was not in a condition to stand a siege, it would + have been better to have withdrawn the troops and stores, and + reserved them for the defence of the country. Mr Jay replied, + that probably when all circumstances relative to this affair + were known, there might be reasons which would account for + the conduct of the Americans on this occasion; to the truth + of which remark the Count appeared to assent. He then + mentioned the death of M. Mirales, and regretted his loss at + this time. He said, he had recommended to his Majesty a + person to succeed him, whom we knew, that spoke English, whom + he expected soon, and to whom he would explain his ideas on + the subject of the bills, and on other matters, touching + which Mr Jay had written to him, and who would confer also + with Mr Jay on those subjects. + + Mr Jay mentioned, that if it was agreeable to his Excellency + to permit M. Del Campo (a confidential secretary of the + Count, who speaks English, and who translated all the letters + to and from the Count) to be present, he should be able to + explain his sentiments more fully and clearly. Though the + Count did not object to this proposal, he appeared + disinclined to it, and said, that with the assistance of Mr + Carmichael, then present, they could understand each other + very well. + + He then proceeded to speak of the bills of exchange in the + possession of the Messrs Joyce, and seemed to be surprised + that that House should be possessed of so many of them. He + advised Mr Jay to be cautious of those gentlemen, saying, + that they were as much English in their hearts as the + Ministry of that country; that he had known them long, that + he thought their conduct extraordinary in being so urgent + for the acceptance of these bills. Mr Jay then informed his + Excellency, that he had paid those gentlemen a visit in order + to obtain further time, and that they had consented to wait + until Monday next. The Count mentioned a fortnight or three + weeks as necessary, in order that he might have an + opportunity of seeing the person he had sent for, and making + some arrangements with him. He said, that it would be more + agreeable to his Majesty to pay those bills at Cadiz, Bilboa, + or Amsterdam, than here; lamented the precipitancy with which + Congress had entered into this measure, saying, that if they + had previously addressed the King on the subject, ways and + means might have been found, either to transport from their + possessions in America specie for the service of Congress, or + to have enabled them to have drawn bills of exchange at a + shorter sight, which would have prevented the loss of one + third of the money to which Congress had subjected + themselves, by the terms on which the present bills were + sold. Mr Jay assured his Excellency, that by letters he had + received from America, from members of Congress and others, + he was informed, that the terms were judged so unfavorable to + the buyers, that the bills drawn on him sold heavily from + that circumstance solely, and not from any doubt of their + credit and payment. + + This did not, however, appear to convince his Excellency, who + spoke much of the deranged state of our finances and credit; + of the advantages taken of Congress by merchants and others, + who availed themselves of that circumstance, which he called + cruel extortions, frequently expressing the King's wishes and + his own to render America all the service in their power in + this crisis of their affairs; but observed, that it was + impossible to obtain much money in Europe while France, + England, and Spain, were making use of every resource to + obtain it for the enormous expenses of the war, and while the + channel through which the European merchants received + supplies of specie was stopped, viz. the arrival of the usual + quantity from America. This induced him to mention the + arrival at Cadiz of three millions of piastres, all of which + was on account of the merchants, and again to dwell on what + he had before said of the possibility of transmitting specie + to the States from the Spanish possessions abroad, and of the + effect that this would have in re-establishing the credit of + our money. Mr Jay observed in reply, that if a supply of + specie could be sent to America, and his Excellency thought + that measure more convenient and advisable than bills, the + Congress would, in his opinion, readily suspend drawing, on + receiving that information; to which the Count answered, that + when the person he had sent for arrived, this matter might be + further discussed. + + Mr Jay then proceeded to observe, that by papers which he had + transmitted to his Excellency, he would see that Congress had + adopted a system to redeem and destroy the former emissions, + and to emit other bills to be paid in Europe with interest in + a certain term of years, and in fully establishing this + system, it would be probably in their power, not only to + sustain the credit of their money, but to contribute, in some + measure, to assist Spain in the way proposed by his + Excellency, viz. in building of frigates, &c. &c. He added, + that as his Majesty's treasure was detained in America, and + as much expense would be incurred by the armaments employed + by Spain there, that bills on the Havana in favor of the + United States might be more convenient to Spain, and equally + contribute to the end proposed. The Count did not seem to + disapprove of the idea, but did not enlarge upon it. He asked + Mr Jay, if America could not furnish Spain with masts and + ship timber. Mr Jay replied, that those articles might be + obtained there. The Count then said that he would defer + further remarks on this head, till the arrival of the person + whom he expected would succeed M. Mirales, and appeared + desirous of leaving this subject, and, indeed, all other + matters relative to American affairs to be discussed when he + came. + + In the further course of conversation, he recurred to the + subject of the bills in question, and told Mr Jay if an + immediate acceptance of them was insisted on, that he might + accept them payable at Bilboa, but rather seemed to wish that + their acceptance might be delayed till the coming of the + abovementioned person. Mr Jay expatiated on the impression, + which the acceptance of these bills and every other mark of + friendship would make in America at this particular crisis, + and the Count, in a very feeling and warm manner, assured him + that his desire to serve the States increased in consequence + of their distresses. By his whole conversation he endeavored + to show how much he interested himself in the prosperity of + our affairs, more than once desiring Mr Jay not to be + discouraged, for that with time and patience all would go + well, expatiating on the King's character, his religious + observation of, and adherence to his promises, and his own + desire of having Mr Jay's entire confidence. Mr Jay seized + this opportunity of assuring him of his full reliance on the + King's justice and honor, and his particular and entire + confidence in his Excellency, asserting to him that all his + letters to Congress breathed these sentiments. The Count + appeared much pleased with this declaration, and, seeming to + speak without reserve, hinted his hopes that the combined + fleets would soon be in condition to give the law to that of + England in the seas of Europe, repeating that measures would + be taken, on the arrival of the person expected, to provide + for the payment of the bills of exchange, and that other + arrangements would be made with the same person, which would + contribute to relieve, as much as it was in his Majesty's + power, the present distresses of America, of which he + frequently spoke very feelingly in the course of this + conversation. + + Mr Jay reminded his Excellency, in a delicate manner, of the + supplies of clothing, &c. &c. which had been promised in a + former conference, and said that if they could be sent in + autumn, they would be essentially useful. The Count assured + him that measures would be taken for this purpose, with the + person so often hinted at in the course of the conference; + that probably these goods would be embarked from Bilboa, as + everything was so dear at Cadiz. He also once more told Mr + Jay, that at all events he might accept the bills presented + by Messrs Joyce, payable at Bilboa, though he appeared to + wish that this measure might be delayed for a fortnight if + possible. The conference ended with compliments and + assurances on the one part and the other, the Count + endeavoring to persuade Mr Jay of his Majesty's desire to + assist the States, and Mr Jay assuring him of his reliance on + his Excellency, and of the good effects which such proofs of + his Majesty's friendship would have in America at the present + juncture. + +In this conference not a single nail would drive. Everything was to be +postponed till the arrival of the person intended to succeed M. +Mirales. + +On the 11th of July I wrote the Count the following note. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency + the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor of informing + him, that Don Carlos Maria Maraci of this place has presented + to him, for acceptance, bills amounting in the whole to one + thousand six hundred and sixtyfive dollars. The Messrs Joyce + consent to having their bills payable at Bilboa, but have + acquainted Mr Jay that the name of the House there, by whom + they are to be paid, should accompany the acceptance of the + bills, it being necessary to their further negotiation. + + "_Madrid, July 11th, 1780._" + +To this note the following answer was returned. + + Translation. + + "In answer to the note the Count de Florida Blanca has just + received from Mr Jay, dated yesterday, he has the honor to + acquaint him, that he intends writing to Bilboa on the + subject of the bills in the hands of Messrs Joyce, and which + are to be accepted, so that it will be necessary to wait some + days to fix the House at which the acceptance will be made. + + "As to the bills presented by Don Carlos Maraci to the value + of one thousand six hundred and sixtyfive dollars, the Count + recommends to Mr Jay to request, in like manner, a delay of + fifteen days for their acceptance, this time being necessary, + that the Count may have an interview with a person not at + present in Madrid. + + "_At the Palace, July 12th, 1780._" + +I was obliged to wait with patience, and endeavor to keep the holders +of the bills from returning them, noted for non-acceptance. The Count +went to St Ildefonso; the time limited for the arrival of the person +expected having expired, I wrote the Count three notes on the subject +of the bills, and in one requested his permission for Mr Harrison of +Maryland to remain at Cadiz, from whence he was threatened to be +removed in pursuance of the King's ordinance against Irishmen. To +these I received the following answer, dated the 29th of July. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and acquaints him that he has duly received his three + last letters. + + "For the satisfaction of Mr Jay, orders shall be given for Mr + Harrison to remain at Cadiz, the general regulations + established by the King notwithstanding. + + "On the subject of the acceptance of the bills of exchange, + the Count can only say that he still waits for the person in + question, who has informed him that he was on the point of + setting out on his journey. + + "He is moreover very sensible of the attention in + communicating to him the last advices received respecting the + affair of Charleston, and persuades himself that Mr Jay will + always observe the same complaisance. + + "_Saturday, July 29th._" + +I immediately wrote him a letter of thanks for his civility to Mr +Harrison, and nothing further passed between us till the 11th of +August, when I sent him the following note. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency + the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor of informing + him, that since the date of his last, bills to the amount of + six thousand and six hundred dollars have been presented to + him for acceptance. Mr Jay has prevailed on the holders of + these bills to wait six or eight days for his answer, on a + promise that the time for their payment, if accepted, shall + be computed from the day on which they were presented. + + "_Madrid, August 11th, 1780._" + +To this was written the following answer. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca has just received Mr Jay's note + of yesterday, on the subject of the new bills, which have + been presented to him. He is mortified not to be able to + return a positive answer today, respecting the acceptance of + said bills, and must repeat, that he still waits for the + person of whom mention has been made in preceding notes. + + "_St Ildefonso, August 12th, 1780._" + +Mrs Jay's illness, and the death of a child, detaining me at Madrid, I +requested the Count to give me notice when it would be necessary I +should wait upon him, and in the mean time Mr Carmichael went to St +Ildefonso. + +Congress will be pleased to remember, that in the conference of July +5th, the Minister, speaking of the person intended to succeed M. +Mirales, said that he spoke English, and that we knew him. I supposed, +that he alluded to one of the Gardoquis, three of whom speak English, +and I was well acquainted with one of them. But as another of them had +been heretofore employed by the Court, it appeared most probable that +he was the person meant. They are brothers and have a strong family +likeness. + +On the 10th, Mr Carmichael wrote me, that he had seen the Count, and +was informed by him, that the person so long expected had not yet +arrived, and when he did he would give notice of it. On the 12th he +wrote me that a person had arrived, whom he suspected to be the one so +long expected. It seems that a person much resembling the Gardoqui +family had arrived at the same inn where Mr Carmichael lodged, and was +seen by him. + +The holders of the bills becoming extremely uneasy, I wrote the Count +the following reply to his last note. + + "Madrid, August 16th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The letter, which your Excellency did me the honor to write + on the 12th instant, was delivered to me yesterday. + + "The kind concern you are pleased to express for the delay, + which suspends my receiving a positive answer respecting the + bills, demands my acknowledgments, and is an additional proof + of that generous sensibility, which induced your Excellency + to tell me, that your friendship for America should rise with + her distresses. A sentiment so evincive of magnanimity will + be received by Congress with all the admiration and gratitude + it merits, and will not cease to inspire me with that + confidence in your Excellency, which greatness of mind seldom + fails to excite. + + "I ought to mention, that the holders of the bills here begin + to grow impatient, and frequently repeat their applications + to me for acceptance. + + "With sentiments of great respect and regard, I have the + honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +No answer. + +The next day I received a card from the house of Joyce, informing me +of their having received peremptory orders to return their bills, and +that they could not delay it longer than the next post. Of this I sent +a copy to the Count without any observations. + +No answer. + +On the 18th of August, I wrote the Count the following letter. + + "Madrid, August 18th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I never find myself more disagreeably circumstanced, than + when my duty constrains me to be troublesome to those, whom I + wish to afford only pleasure and satisfaction. Such is my + present situation. Monday next I perceive is to be a critical + day. Other bills besides Messrs Joyce are then to be + re-presented. + + "M. Gardoqui of Bilboa writes me, that he has received bills + on me for thirteen thousand three hundred and thirtyfive + dollars, with orders immediately to ship the amount in goods + to America. They will be presented tomorrow, and he expects + an answer by Monday's post. If an immediate acceptance or + refusal should be insisted on by any one of them, a protest + must ensue, and American credit be reduced to the lowest ebb. + What am I to do? If your Excellency should direct me to + accept these bills payable at Bilboa, they will, as before, + demand at what House they are to be paid. + + "I must entreat your Excellency to relieve me and my country + from this painful situation, and to pardon the trouble I am + obliged to give you. + + "With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + + "_P. S._ The enclosed contains intelligence from America." + +No answer. + +Having first visited the holders of the bills, and obtained further +time till Monday next, on the 24th I set out for St Ildefonso. I +arrived the next day, and wrote the Count the following letter. + + "St Ildefonso, August 25th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I arrived here this morning, but was prevented from + immediately doing myself the honor of paying my respects to + your Excellency, by fatigue and indisposition. + + "In a letter I had the honor of writing to your Excellency on + the 16th instant, I mentioned, that the holders of the bills + began to grow impatient. On the 18th instant, I informed your + Excellency by another letter, that their applications to me + for acceptance had become so pressing, as that I found myself + under the necessity of again requesting your directions. + + "I have accepted Messrs Joyce's bills payable at Bilboa, + agreeable to your Excellency's directions on the 5th of July + last, and they have agreed to wait some time for the name of + the House there, which may be employed to pay them. The other + gentlemen were induced to delay requiring of me a decisive + answer until Monday next, on my assurances, that they should + then receive one. + + "The inducements and reasons, which urged Congress into this + measure, are known to your Excellency, and it would be no + less unnecessary than improper to recapitulate the + consequences, which must ensue from the success or failure of + it. + + "I fear your Excellency thinks I am too solicitous, too + importunate. But when it is considered, that the holders of + these bills are not under my control, and that they require + an answer from me, I flatter myself that the trouble I give + your Excellency on this subject will appear to arise from a + sense of my duty, and not from the impulse of impatience. + + "I sincerely congratulate your Excellency on the late + important naval success against the common enemy, and have + the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +No Answer. + +The next morning I went to pay my respects to the Minister, but being +told he was sick, I left a card. The French Ambassador, however, and +others, had been with him in the morning, and he rode out as usual in +the afternoon. + +Mr Carmichael informed me, that in passing by a wicket-gate of the +King's private gardens, he had seen the person, whom he had before +seen at the inn, walking in them, and that his servant had learned +from a barber of his acquaintance, that he dressed a gentleman who +spoke English, and lodged at M. Del Campo's. He also informed me, that +the French Ambassador had lately received a letter from Count de la +Luzerne, dated the 12th of May; that he was present when it was +opened, that it was in cypher, and that the Ambassador said, he +supposed he was impatient to hear the news; that he afterwards +expressed a desire to see this letter, and that the Ambassador +referred him for it to the Secretary; that the Secretary gave him some +important papers, adding, that he had _mislaid_ the letter. Hence it +seems, as if the Ambassador intended at first to communicate the +letter, but that its contents on being decyphered forbad it. + +It appeared to me proper to mention my embarrassments to the French +Ambassador, who had always been friendly, and ask his advice and aid +on the subject. The next day I had a conference with him, and the +following are notes of it. + + St Ildefonso, August 27th, 1780. + + Mr Jay waited on the Count de Montmorin this morning at nine + o'clock, agreeably to appointment the day before. The former + commenced the conversation by observing, that in his first + conferences with the Minister of Spain, at Aranjues, the + Minister divided the subject into two parts, and spoke + largely on that of the bills drawn on Mr Jay, and on the + treaty proposed to be entered into between Spain and America. + Mr Jay recapitulated the Minister's assurances relative to + the former, and informed the Ambassador, that the result of + this conference was a promise of the Minister to send him + written notes on _both_ points, a few days afterwards. That + with respect to the notes relative to the treaty, Mr Jay had + not received them as yet. That on the other point, he had + received notes, which, as well as his answer, he had shown to + the Ambassador. That on the 5th of July he had another + conference with the Minister at Madrid, in which he had + endeavored to turn the conversation to the several objects of + his business and mission here, but that the Minister + postponed the discussion of them, until a person for whom he + had sent, with a view to succeed M. Mirales, should arrive, + when all the necessary arrangements should be made. He indeed + told Mr Jay, that if the Messrs Joyce were pressing, he might + accept their bills, payable at Bilboa, and throughout the + whole conference, had given Mr Jay warm and repeated + assurances, not only of the King's good faith and friendly + disposition towards America, but of his own personal + attachment to her interest, on both of which, as well as in + his candor and promises, he desired him to place the greatest + reliance. + + Mr Jay proceeded further to inform the Ambassador, that being + exceedingly pressed by Messrs Joyce and others, holders of + the bills, for a decisive answer, which they had required to + have on the Monday last past, he had signified the same to + the Minister by three letters, requesting his directions, to + none of which he received any answers. That he had accepted + Messrs Joyce's bills, payable, as directed, by the Minister, + and had prevailed on the other to wait until Monday next. + That on his arrival here on Friday he wrote another letter to + the Minister on the same subject, and the next day called at + his house to pay his respects, but not being able to see him + had left a card; that being thus circumstanced he was under + the necessity of requesting the favor of him to speak to the + Count, and obtain an answer from him. + + The Ambassador told Mr Jay, that he ought to ask an audience + of the Minister. To this Mr Jay replied, that he could not + hope to have an answer to this request, as he had not been + able to procure one to the different applications he had + already made. The Ambassador said, that he would willingly + speak to the Minister, but that he feared he should not be + able to enter fully into the subject with him until + Wednesday, both the Minister and himself having their time + employed on objects, which at present and for some time past, + had engrossed much of their attention. He then asked Mr Jay + if he had written to Congress to stop drawing bills on him. + Mr Jay replied, that he could not with propriety give such + information to Congress, after the general and repeated + assurances made him by the Count de Florida Blanca ever since + his arrival here, and particularly the Minister's + declaration, that he should be able to furnish him with + thirty or forty thousand pounds sterling, at the end of the + present or commencement of the next year, and that in the + meantime, other arrangements might be taken to pay such bills + as might become due after that period. He added, that if the + Count had candidly told him that he could not furnish him + with money to pay the bills, he should then immediately have + informed Congress of it, who would have taken of course the + proper measures on the occasion, but that should he now send + a true account of all that had passed between the Count de + Florida Blanca and himself thereon, he could not answer for + the disagreeable effects such intelligence would produce. The + Count seemed to think the Spanish Minister would pay the + bills that had been already presented, and had probably + delayed giving Mr Jay an answer until the arrival of the + person he expected, who he understood was detained by the + necessity of making some arrangements in his family before he + left it. + + On this Mr Jay remarked, that this did not accord with the + information the Minister had given him near three weeks + before, that the said person was then about to set out. + + The conference ended with a promise of the Count de + Montmorin, that he would endeavor to speak to the Count de + Florida Blanca on the subject, but that he was afraid he + should not be able to do it fully until Wednesday next. + +Finding that the Ambassador could not do anything till Wednesday next, +and that the Minister's determined silence left no room to hope much +from him very soon, I despatched letters by express to the holders of +the bills, and requested a little more time. I was apprehensive that +if I should accept them without the Minister's consent, it might +become an objection to his providing for their payment, and +appearances led me to suspect, that any tolerable excuse for such +refusal would have been very grateful. + +The French Ambassador did not, as usual, return my visit. I dined with +him, nevertheless; but his behavior, though polite, was dry, and not +cordial and open as before. He mentioned not a syllable of his having +received a letter from Philadelphia. These circumstances increased my +apprehensions that his letter contained some things unpleasant. + +On Wednesday afternoon, 30th of August, I waited on the Ambassador, to +know the result of the conversation he had promised to have with the +Minister on our affairs. He did not appear very glad to see me. I +asked him whether he had seen the Minister, and conversed with him on +our affairs. He said he had seen the Minister, but that as Count +d'Estaing was present, he had only some general and cursory +conversation with him, and slipping away from that topic, went on to +observe, that I would do well to write another letter to the Minister, +mentioning the number of letters I had already written, my arrival +here, and my desire of a conference with him. I told the Ambassador, +that while four letters on the subject remained unanswered, it could +not be necessary to write a fifth. That these letters had been written +with great politeness and circumspection; that the last was written +the day of my arrival at St Ildefonso; that I had also gone to the +Minister's house, to pay my respects to him, and on being told he was +sick, had left a card; and that, notwithstanding these marks of +attention and respect, I still continued unanswered and unnoticed. I +observed to him further, that this conduct accorded ill with the +Minister's assurances; that unless I had met with more tenderness from +the holders of the bills, they would have been returned noted for +non-acceptance; that if such an event should at last take place, after +the repeated promises and declarations of the Minister, there would of +necessity be an end to the confidence of America in the Court of +Spain. + +He replied, that he hoped things would take a more favorable turn; +that to his knowledge the Minister had been of late much occupied and +perplexed with business; that I ought not to be affected with the +inattention of his conduct; that I should continue to conduct the +business smoothly, having always in view the importance of Spain, and +remembering that we were as yet only rising States, not firmly +established, or generally acknowledged, &c. and that he would by all +means advise me to write the Minister another letter, _praying_ an +audience. + +I answered, that the object of my coming to Spain was to make +_propositions_, not _supplications_, and that I should forbear +troubling the Minister with further letters, till he should be more +disposed to attend to them. That I considered America as being, and to +continue independent in _fact_, and that her becoming so in _name_ was +of no further importance than as it concerned the common cause, in the +success of which all the parties were interested; and that I did not +imagine Congress would agree to purchase from Spain the acknowledgment +of an undeniable fact at the price she demanded for it; that I +intended to abide patiently the fate of the bills, and should transmit +to Congress an account of all matters relative to them; that I should +then write the Minister another letter on the subject of the treaty, +and if that should be treated with like neglect, or if I should be +informed that his Catholic Majesty declined going into that measure, I +should then consider my business at an end, and proceed to take the +necessary measures for returning to America; that I knew my +constituents were sincerely desirous of a treaty with Spain, and that +their respect for the House of Bourbon, the desire of France signified +in the Secret Article, and the favorable opinion they had imbibed of +the Spanish nation, were the strongest inducements they had to wish +it; that the policy of multiplying treaties with European nations was +with me questionable, and might be so with others; that, for my own +part, I was inclined to think it the interest of America to rest +content with the treaty with France, and, by avoiding alliances with +other nations, remain free from the influence of their disputes and +politics; that the situation of the United States, in my opinion, +dictated this policy; that I knew it to be their interest, and of +course their disposition, to be at peace with all the world; and that +I knew too it would be in their power, and I hoped in their +inclination, always to defend themselves. + +The Ambassador was at a stand; after a little pause, he said, he hoped +my mission would have a more agreeable issue. He asked me if I was +content with the conduct of France. I answered, most certainly; for +that she was spending her blood as well as treasure for us. This +answer was too general for him. He renewed the question, by asking +whether I was content with the conduct of France relative to our +proposed treaty with Spain. I answered, that, as far as it had come to +my knowledge, I was. This required an explanation, and I gave it to +him, by observing, that, by the Secret Article, Spain was at liberty +to accede to our treaty with France whenever she pleased, and with +such alterations as both parties might agree to; that Congress had +appointed me to propose this accession now, and had authorised me to +enter into the necessary discussions and arguments; that, to give +their application the better prospect of success, they had directed me +to request the favorable interposition of the King of France with the +King of Spain; that I had done it by letter to Count de Vergennes, +who, in answer, had assured me of the King's disposition to comply +with the request of Congress; and informed me that instructions +analogous to this disposition should be given to the Ambassador at +Madrid; that it gave me pleasure to acknowledge that his conduct +towards me had always been polite and friendly, but that I still +remained ignorant whether any, and what progress had been made in the +mediation. He seemed not to have expected this; but observed, that all +he could do was to be ready to do me any friendly office in his power, +for that he did not see how his _mediation_ could be proper, except in +cases where points of the treaty were discussed, and could not be +agreed upon. To this I replied, that these were only _secondary_ +objects of the expected mediation, and that the _primary_ one was to +prevail upon the King of Spain to commence the negotiation, and enter +upon these discussions; but that I remained uninformed of what he +might have done on that subject. The Ambassador made no direct reply +to these remarks, but again proceeded to repeat his advice, that I +should try one more letter to the Minister. I told him I had, after +much consideration, made up my mind on that subject, and that it +appeared to me inexpedient to follow his advice in this instance; and +that when he should see the letters I had already written, he would +probably be of the same opinion. I promised to show him the letters +the next day, and took my leave. How far the tone of this conversation +may be judged to have been prudent, I know not. It was not assumed, +however, but after previous and mature deliberation. I reflected that +we had lost Charleston, that reports ran hard against us, and +therefore that this was no time to clothe one's self with humility. + +On considering the earnestness with which the Ambassador had pressed +me to write another letter to the Minister, I began to suspect that it +might be the wish of the latter, who, conscious of having gone rather +too far, might desire this way to retreat through. I concluded, +therefore, to adhere to my resolution of not writing, but that if the +Ambassador should confirm my suspicions by again pressing the measure, +in that case to consent to send Mr Carmichael to the Minister with my +compliments, and a request that he would favor me with a conference at +such time as might be most convenient to him. + +The next day, Thursday, the 31st of August, I visited the French +Ambassador, and showed him the four last letters I had written to the +Minister. He confessed they were perfectly unexceptionable, but again +advised me to write another; I told him, I could not think of it, but +that I would so far follow his advice, as to send Mr Carmichael to +request of the Minister the favor of a conference. The Ambassador +expressed much satisfaction at this proposal, and immediately +promised to speak to the Minister on the subject. He advised, however, +that I should delay the measure till Saturday, on account of some +urgent business which then employed the Minister. To this I agreed. I +hinted to him, that the person expected to succeed Mr Mirales was in +town. He said he did not know, and waived the subject. I thought if +that was really the case, it could do no harm that the Minister should +know I suspected it. In the afternoon, the Ambassador's secretary paid +me a visit, and seemed desirous of entering into particular +conversation on the subject of our affairs, but as I did not approve +of talking with the Ambassador through his secretary, I avoided it, by +turning the conversation to light and general topics. He asked me +several leading questions, and among others, whether there was a _M. +Gardoqui_ in town. I told him many persons came and departed that I +was ignorant of, and passed on to another subject. Two persons about +the Court mentioned to Mr Carmichael this evening, that this person +was arrived. + +On Saturday morning, the 2d of September, I committed my message for +the Minister to Mr Carmichael, with directions, first to call on the +French Ambassador, and ask him whether anything new had occurred to +render the delivery of it improper. He told Mr Carmichael, he had +mentioned to the Minister my desire of seeing him that day, but that +the Minister said, he was so much occupied that it would be +impossible. He, nevertheless, told Mr Carmichael _he might go and +see_. This being mentioned to me, I told Mr Carmichael to go on. + +After being long detained in the ante-chamber, he had an opportunity +of delivering his message, and received for answer, that the Minister +could not possibly see me till the next Tuesday evening, and that Mr +Carmichael should call again on Tuesday morning, to be informed +whether it would be in his power to see me _then_; that the person so +long expected was arrived; that he had been preparing instructions for +him, and would endeavor in the meantime to send him to converse with +me. + +On Sunday, the 3d of September, Don Diego Gardoqui, of Bilboa, +presented me a note from the Count de Florida Blanca, in these words. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and recommends to him to form an acquaintance with the + bearer of this letter, being the person in question, whom he + had expected from day to day." + +It is observable, that M. Gardoqui's name is not mentioned in this +letter, which appears the more singular, as the Count had never +mentioned to me the _name_ of the _person expected_. This was being +very wary. Mr Carmichael told me, he took this to be the same person +whom he saw first at the inn, and afterwards walking in the private +gardens. + +Hence it appears, that these strange delays were not unavoidable. +Probably, the desire of further intelligence of the enemy's operations +in America, and the undecided state of Mr Cumberland's negotiation, +might have given occasion to them. To these may perhaps be added an +expectation that our distresses would render us more pliant, and less +attached to the Mississippi. But these are conjectures, and as men +sometimes act without any settled system, it may not be prudent to +scan their conduct by a supposed plan, however probable. + +M. Gardoqui began the conversation by assurances of his personal +attachment to our cause and country, which gave occasion to mutual and +complimentary professions too unimportant to repeat. I told him, that +the holders of the bills, after having shown me great forbearance and +delicacy, were at length perfectly tired; that the house of Casa Mayor +had sent their bills after me, but that as I was not to expect the +honor of a conference with the Minister until Tuesday evening, at +soonest, I had requested time till Wednesday to give my answer. I +therefore begged the favor of him to mention this to the Minister, and +obtain his directions what I should do. He asked to what amount +Congress had resolved to draw. I told him. He observed, that the Court +ought previously to have been applied to. In answer to which, I +recapitulated the reasons before given to the Minister. He dwelt +largely on the necessities of the State, and I expatiated on the +extensive ideas entertained of Spanish opulence in America. He assured +me they were mistaken, and spoke of the difficulties occasioned by the +detention of their treasures abroad. He then remarked, that we offered +no _consideration_ for the money we solicited. I replied, that we +offered the same consideration that other nations did who borrowed +money, viz. the repayment of the principal with interest. He asked me +if we had nothing further to offer, and mentioned ship timber. I said +we had ship timber, but that as it belonged to individuals, the public +could not get it otherwise than by purchase, and that it could answer +no purpose to borrow money with one hand and instantly repay it with +the other, for that a repayment in money, or in ship timber, was the +same thing in fact, and differed only in name. Besides, that if Spain +wanted timber from America, it would be better in case he went there, +that he should be charged with that business, than that it should be +under the direction of Congress, for that public works were always +more expensive than private. He agreed in this. He again asked me +whether I could think of nothing else to offer. I told him no. Whether +there was nothing on the side of the Mississippi that I could offer. I +told him nothing that I could think of except land, and that I did not +think it would be worth the King's while to buy a hundred thousand +pounds worth of land there, considering the immense territories he +already possessed. He inquired whether I thought Congress would draw +for the whole sum. I answered that it was in my opinion not +improbable, for that they would consider the acceptance of ten or +twelve thousand dollars as a prelude to further aids, naturally +supposing, that if the King afforded us any supplies at all, they +would be such as would correspond with his dignity, and not be limited +to that little pittance. He desired me to meet him the next day at M. +Del Campo's, which I promised to do. + +I shortly after saw the French Ambassador, who among other things +mentioned the proposed meeting at Del Campo's, which, with various +other circumstances, shows his being on confidential terms with the +Minister. + +In the evening M. Gardoqui again paid me a visit, and pointedly +proposed my offering the navigation of the Mississippi, as a +consideration for aids. I told him that object could not come in +question in a treaty for a loan of one hundred thousand pounds, and +Spain should consider, that to render alliances permanent, they should +be so formed as to render it the interest of both parties to observe +them; that the Americans, almost to a man, believed that God Almighty +had made that river a highway for the people of the upper country to +go to the sea by; that this country was extensive and fertile; that +the General, many officers, and others of distinction and influence in +America, were deeply interested in it; that it would rapidly settle, +and that the inhabitants would not readily be convinced of the justice +of being obliged, either to live without foreign commodities, and lose +the surplus of their productions, or be obliged to transport both over +rugged mountains, and through an immense wilderness, to and from the +sea, when they daily saw a fine river flowing before their doors, and +offering to save them all that trouble and expense, and that without +injury to Spain. He observed, that the present generation would not +want this navigation, and that we should leave future ones to manage +their own affairs, &c. + +The next day, that is, the 4th of September, I met M. Gardoqui at M. +Del Campo's. After some unconnected conversation, I observed to M. Del +Campo, that as all the papers between the Minister and myself had +passed through his hands, it was unnecessary to give him any +information, except what related to the present state of the bills +drawn upon me, which I proceeded to state in a short, but particular +manner. He replied by making several strictures on the impropriety of +drawing bills without previous notice and consent. He remarked, that +they might with more propriety have been drawn on France, with whom we +were allied, and who were richer than they; that the King must first +take care of his own people, before he could supply us; that Spain had +been brought into the war by our quarrel, but received no advantage +from us; that they had been told of our readiness to assist in taking +Pensacola, &c. but instead of aids, he had heard of nothing but +demands from us; that our situation was represented as being +deplorable, and that the enemy talked of the submission of some of the +States, and of negotiations being on foot for that purpose. + +Whether this style proceeded from natural arrogance, or was intended +to affect my temper, I cannot say; in either case, I thought it most +prudent to take no notice of it, but proceed calmly and cautiously, +and the more so as this was the first time I had ever conversed with +this man. I told him in substance, though more at large, that the +assurances given Congress of the friendly disposition of Spain by M. +Mirales and others had been confided in, and had induced Congress to +expect the aids in question. That if this application could be called +a demand, it was still the first they had made to my knowledge; that +men in arms against the enemies of Spain were serving her as well as +themselves, and therefore might without impropriety request her aid; +that our separation from Britain was an object important to Spain, and +that the success, with which we had opposed her whole force for six +years, showed what the power of both, if under one direction, might be +capable of; that I knew nothing of Spain's having been drawn into the +war by or for us, and that this was not to be found among the reasons +she had alleged for it; that an attack on Pensacola could not be +expected to be made by troops actually employed in repelling the +enemy's assaults from their own doors, and that the principles of +self-defence would not permit or justify it; that Spain had much to +expect in future from our commerce, and that we should be able as well +as willing to pay our debts; that the tales told of our despondency +and submission resulted from the policy of the enemy, not from fact, +and I believed no more of their private negotiations between America +and Britain, than I did of there being private negotiations between +Spain and Britain for a separate peace, which the Minister assured me +was not the case; that if on the arrival of the bills, I had been told +plainly that no money could be advanced, further drafts would soon +have been prevented; but that a contrary conduct having been adopted, +other expectations had been excited; that as to France, she had done, +and was still doing much for us, and that her being our ally did not +confer propriety upon every request that we could make to her. He +still pressed this point, and complained that the greater part of the +money heretofore advanced by Spain had been laid out in France. He saw +that France was deriving great commercial advantages from us, but that +our commerce never would be an object with Spain, because all her +productions would find a better market in her own Colonies. He desired +a note of the bills which had arrived, and then made some reflections +on the proposal of a treaty. We agreed perfectly well, that mutual +interest should be the basis of it, and I added, that the good opinion +entertained of the King and nation by America, was also a pleasing +circumstance. He said, however that might be, America did not seem +inclined to gratify Spain, in the only point in which she was deeply +interested. Here followed much common-place reasoning about the +navigation of the Mississippi, of which your Excellency has heretofore +heard too much to require a repetition. He spoke also much of the +difficulties of Spain, as to money matters, saying that their +treasures in America could at present be of no use to them, as they +had given orders that none should be sent home during the war, even if +it continued these ten years; and this was done in order, by stopping +the usual current of specie into Europe, to embarrass the measures +which Britain must take to obtain her necessary supplies. + +On the 6th of September, M. Gardoqui brought me word, that I might +accept the bills of Casa Mayor, amounting to one thousand one hundred +and ten dollars, which I accordingly did. The proposed conference was +postponed, nor indeed was it obtained until the 23d of September. + +On the 11th, the French Ambassador's Secretary called upon me, by the +Ambassador's direction, to inform me, that an express was going to +Paris, and to know whether anything further had been done in our +affairs since he had seen me. I told him things continued in the same +situation. He again commenced a conversation on the subject, and as he +came directly from the Ambassador I entered into it. He expressed some +concern for the delays I met with. I told him such things must be +expected. He said he hoped I was content with France. I replied, that I +apprehended France considered an interference in our negotiations, as +a delicate matter, for that as she had probably held up the exclusive +navigation of the Mississippi, and Gulf of Mexico, among other objects +to induce Spain to take a part in the war, she might hesitate about +pressing Spain into a treaty with us on terms, that would not +comprehend this object. He said M. Gerard had reasoned well about +those matters, but that he did not believe France would be backward, +nor indeed that she had promised this to Spain to bring her into the +war. I told him, I should not be surprised to find, that the delay +arose from a desire of hearing further news from America, and probably +from Philadelphia. He said, that could not be the case, for since M. +Mirales's death, Spain had no person there to give them intelligence. +I told him that Spain might be waiting the issue of new motions +respecting the Mississippi in Congress, and that I was sure Count de +la Luzerne would readily be at the trouble of communicating to them +any interesting information on _that_ or any other subject. Whether he +drew any conclusions from the manner in which this was said, I cannot +say, but in a way that looked like exculpating that Minister, he told +me, that Count de la Luzerne had only mentioned to the French +Ambassador, that two Members of Congress, with whom he had talked over +the affair of the Mississippi, thought it would be best not to bring +on the question of the navigation until Spain should become possessed +of the adjacent country, for that then it might be ceded with a better +grace. He mentioned no names. This explains the letter herein before +mentioned. The inferences which flow from it are obvious. I incline to +suspect, that what I said in my letters on that head returned here by +the same conveyance. + +On the 13th of September, M. Gardoqui delivered me the following +verbal message from Count de Florida Blanca. "That the exigencies of +the State would not permit his Majesty to provide for the payment of +more of the bills drawn upon me than had been already accepted." I +expressed my regret that this had not been told me at first, and told +him it appeared a little extraordinary that the Minister should employ +himself and me three months in making and answering propositions +relative to a loan which it was not in his power to make. I touched +also on the assurances from time to time given me, and intimated, that +something, which I could not at present see through, must have caused +this change; that I lamented it the more, as it would weaken the +foundations on which I wished to see a cordial union laid between the +two countries. + +I dined with the French Ambassador. He was a little out of spirits, +and on talking to him on what had happened, I told him there was +nothing now left but for me to apply to France. He encouraged the +idea, and agreed with me, that the bills ought to be by all means +saved from protests. He imputed the conduct of Spain to resentment +against M. Necker, for opposing a certain scheme of Spanish finance, +which he thought interfered with his plan. It is a curious one, but I +shall omit it at present, as I fear Congress already wish this letter +at an end. As the Count de Florida Blanca's message to me by M. +Gardoqui was a verbal one, and might hereafter be denied or explained +away as convenience might dictate, I thought it important to establish +it, and for that and other reasons which need no explanation, I wrote +the Count the following letter. + + "St Ildefonso, September 14th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The information I received yesterday from your Excellency by + M. Gardoqui, has drawn the affair of the bills of exchange to + a conclusion. He told me, that the exigencies of the State + would not permit his Majesty to provide for the payment of + more of those bills than were already accepted, amounting to + about fourteen thousand dollars. + + "As it is important that every nation at war should know + exactly the state of their resources, and as America has been + induced to consider the friendship of his Catholic Majesty + as among the number of hers, I must request the favor of your + Excellency to tell me frankly whether the United States may + expect any, and what aids from Spain. The general assurances + of amity, which that country has received from this, together + with what has passed between your Excellency and myself + relative to clothing for our troops, and supplies of specie + in America, will I hope be considered as authorising this + question; and the more so, as M. Gardoqui, to whose arrival + your Excellency postponed the discussion of these matters, + informs me he is not instructed to say anything to me on + these, or indeed any other subjects. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On this day some glorious reports from America arrived. It seemed as +if she had risen like a giant refreshed with sleep, and was doing +wonders. I sent the news to the Count as usual, without appearing to +be affected by his late conduct. I began again to be seen, and in a +few instances to be known. + +The next day, the 15th of September, M. Gardoqui delivered to me a +paper by way of answer to my letter of yesterday to the Minister. It +is in these words; + + "The following answer has been dictated to me in his + Excellency's name by Don Bernardo del Campo, to be delivered + to the honorable John Jay. + + "That it is not his Majesty's intention to stop assisting the + States, whenever means can be found to do it, but that it + will be impossible to supply them with money in Europe, there + being none to spare, for that which ought to have come this + year from America, has neither come, nor is it known when it + will, and that which would have facilitated a far advanced + negotiation is likely to produce no effect, in a great + measure, _through the undermining of some persons of rank in + France_. + + "The States not giving timely advice, nor having taken his + Majesty's previous consent, he could not arrange his affairs + beforehand, in order to assure the acceptance and payment of + the bills they have drawn, for which reasons, and that + Congress has not to this day given any tokens of a + recompense, his Majesty might have just cause of disgust, but + notwithstanding he does not, nor will change his ideas, and + will always retain those of humanity, friendship, and + compassion, that he has had towards the colonies. That, + consequently, if Mr Jay or his constituents should find money + upon credit, to the sum of one hundred or one hundred and + fifty thousand dollars, that his Majesty will be answerable + for the said sum, payable in the space of three years; that + his Majesty will besides exert all that is possible to assist + them with clothing and other things, and, finally, in order + that his Majesty may extend his further dispositions, it is + precisely necessary that they should give sure and effective + tokens of a good correspondence, proposing reciprocal + measures of a compensation that may establish a solid + friendship and confidence, without reducing it to words and + protests of mere compliment. + + "This being the substance, I would further suggest to Mr + Jay's consideration, that the continuance of assisting the + States by answering the sum expressed in a manner much more + public than that of paying the money privately, shows plainly + the sincerity of his Majesty, although the States have not to + this day proposed any equivalent to the assistance already + given, and to the expenses occasioned by a war, which had its + true origin from them, to all which must be added, (though + by the way no credit is given to it,) that there are hints of + some understanding between the colonies and England. + + "_St Ildefonso, September 15th, 1780._ + + JAMES GARDOQUI." + +It is to be observed, that this paper when first delivered was not +signed, and suspecting that this omission might not be accidental, I +mentioned it to M. Gardoqui a day or two afterwards. After some +hesitation, and doubts of its being necessary, he signed it. I made no +remarks at all to M. Gardoqui on any part of this paper except the +last article, which I treated with great indignation. + +On the 16th I wrote a short letter and many copies to your Excellency, +informing you of the necessity of suspending further drafts upon me +for the present. + +Three days afterwards, I had a long and satisfactory conversation with +the French Ambassador, in which he was very unreserved, candid, and +confidential. He read to me part of a letter he intended to send to +Count de Vergennes on our affairs, and justice calls upon me to say, +that we are obliged to him for it. + +On the 22d of September, I sent the following letter to Count de +Vergennes by one of the Ambassador's couriers. + + "St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have never taken up my pen with so much reluctance as I + now do, although my design is to write a letter to your + Excellency. But, Sir, there are few sensations more painful + than those which they experience, who, already covered with + benefits, are impelled by cruel necessity to ask for more. + Such is my present situation, and hence proceeds my regret. + + "My uniform and unreserved communications to the Count + Montmorin, who has my fullest confidence, precludes the + necessity and consequently the propriety of a minute detail + of American affairs here. + + "Your Excellency will recollect the resolution of Congress + for drawing bills on me, as well as the reasons assigned for + that measure. In my first conference with the Minister on + that subject, he enlarged on the necessities of the State, + but nevertheless told me, he should be able, at the end of + the present or beginning of the next year, to advance thirty + or forty thousand pounds sterling, and that further + arrangements respecting the residue should then be made. + + "I afterwards received and answered propositions for the + reimbursement of this money; and from time to time, was + permitted to accept such of the bills as were most pressing. + + "Things remained in this state till the 5th of July, when, + after many warm assurances of friendship and good will, the + further discussion of these matters was postponed by the + Minister until the arrival of a person intended to succeed M. + Mirales, the late Spanish agent at Philadelphia, and I was + told that they should then be arranged and adjusted. + + "Several weeks elapsed after the time assigned for his + arrival had expired. The holders of the bills became + importunate, and insisting on my accepting or refusing them. + + "I wrote several letters to the Minister, requesting his + directions, but was not favored with an answer to any of + them. + + "On the 3d instant, after fruitless endeavors to see the + Minister, I received the following note from him by the hands + of M. Gardoqui; + + 'The Count de Florida Blanca sends his compliments to Mr + Jay, and advises him to become acquainted with the bearer + of this letter, who is the person that has been expected + from day to day.' + + "This gentleman made many remarks tending to show the + propriety of America's offering some specific consideration + for this money, and hinted at the navigation of the + Mississippi, ship timber, vessels, tobacco, &c. &c. I + replied, that the only consideration Congress could offer, + was that which all other nations at war, who borrowed money, + offered, viz. to repay the principal with a reasonable + interest after the war; that I should deceive him, were I to + enter into contracts to pay it sooner; that the proposition + of paying it during the war, in ship timber, tobacco, or + other articles, did not lessen the difficulty, for that these + things were worth, and cost money in America, as well as in + Europe; and that as to the Mississippi, it could not come in + question as a consideration for one hundred thousand pounds. + The conversation was concluded, by his desiring me to meet + him at M. Del Campo's the next morning. M. Gardoqui then, and + since, behaved with temper, candor, and politeness. + + "The next day we saw M. Del Campo. He was liberal in his + censures on the measure of drawing the bills in question on + Spain. He informed me, that the King must first take care of + his own people before he gave supplies to others; that Spain, + instead of deriving advantage from America, heard of nothing + but demands. That if Congress wanted money, they should have + drawn on France, with whom they were in alliance, and who had + all the profit of their trade; that we ought to have + distinguished between our allies, and those who only wished + us well, and that applications for aid might be proper to + the one, which were not so to the other; that our affairs + were in a ruinous condition, and that it was even said some + of the States were holding secret negotiations for peace with + the enemy, &c. &c. &c. My replies were such as the subject + naturally suggested, and as prudence dictated; there are + seasons when men mean not to be convinced, and when argument + becomes mere matter of form. On such occasions, we have + little more in our power than moderation and temper. I gave + M. Del Campo credit for his frankness, and wish I could with + propriety have extended it to his delicacy. + + "A day or two afterwards, viz. the 6th instant, I was + permitted to accept bills to the amount of one thousand one + hundred and ten dollars. + + "On the 13th, M. Gardoqui, by order of the Minister, told me, + that the exigencies of the State would not permit the King to + provide for the payment of more of the bills than had been + already accepted, amounting to about fourteen thousand + dollars. This gave occasion to my letter to the Minister of + the 14th, and to his answer of the 15th, which was dictated + by him to M. Del Campo, and by M. Del Campo to M. Gardoqui, + copies of both of which your Excellency will receive from + Count Montmorin. The Minister's answer made a conference + between us expedient. I requested that favor the 15th + instant, and have been informed that the Count de Florida + Blanca will endeavor to see me on Saturday evening next. + + "I forbear remarks on this singular conduct. I wish it could + be explained in a manner compatible with the reputation Spain + enjoys in North America. I much fear partial resentments, + which ought not to affect America, have been permitted to + have an undue degree of influence, and that the Minister + forgot in his zeal for a certain scheme of finance, that it + was unjust to wound opponents through the sides of their + friends. But whatever may have been the cause; the effect, + unless removed, will be destructive, and France only can at + present afford the means of doing it. + + "When I consider, on the one hand, that France was our first, + and is still our best, and almost only friend; that she + became our ally on terms of equality, neither taking, nor + attempting to take ungenerous advantages of our situation; + that she has clothed and armed our troops, and is at this + moment assisting us with her fleets, her armies, her + treasure, and her blood; gratitude and generosity forbid me + to solicit a further tax on her magnanimity. But, on the + other hand, when I reflect that the loss of American credit + would be a loss to the common cause, and an eventual injury + to France; that such an event would be a matter of triumph to + our common enemy; and of pain to our friends; that the honor + of Congress, suspended on the fate of these bills, now hangs + as it were by a hair, and that our enemies here and elsewhere + are doing all in their power to cut it; when I consider, that + America would feel more sensibly the loss of reputation in + this instance, than the loss of battles in many others; I + say, Sir, when I consider these things, I find it to be my + duty to request your Excellency to interpose the amity of + France, and that his Majesty will be pleased to add this + strong link to the chain of benefits, by which he has already + bound the affections of America to his family and people. + + "I ought to inform your Excellency, that bills for about + fifty thousand dollars remain unaccepted. The greater part + of these are in the hands of merchants, who waited my answer + with a degree of patience, I could not have expected; some of + them ever since the month of June last. Further delays, + therefore, were not to be asked or obtained, and I was + reduced to the necessity, either of promising to accept them, + or permit the credit of Congress to perish with them. I could + not long hesitate. I promised to accept them. Fortunately, + these bills have hitherto come on slowly, though, it is + probable, that the assurances of Spain, which I have + communicated to Congress, may quicken their pace. A period, + however, will soon be put to their drawing, as I have written + to them by several conveyances immediately to stop. + + "I ought also to inform your Excellency, that a promise made + me in June last of some clothing for our troops has been + renewed, and that his Majesty has been pleased to offer us + his responsibility to facilitate a loan of one hundred and + fifty thousand dollars. I shall endeavor to make the most of + this offer, and your Excellency may rest assured, that I + shall gladly embrace every measure, which may be calculated + to lessen the weight with which the American cause presses on + the finances of France. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +I also sent a copy of this letter to Dr Franklin, enclosed in one of +which the following is a copy. + + St Ildefonso, Sept. 22d, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + + "I have lately written to you several letters. Enclosed is a + copy of one to Count de Vergennes, which Count Montmorin, who + also writes to him on the same subject, is so obliging as to + send together with this, by a courier to Bayonne. + + "The papers you have heretofore received from me, with those + now sent, will enable you to understand it, and I am + persuaded your abilities and influence will be exerted to + promote the success of the application contained in it. It + appears to me absolutely necessary, that the bills drawn on + me be saved at all events. If contrary to my ideas of the + wisdom and affection of France, she should not lend us money + for the purpose, we must endeavor to borrow it of + individuals, though at a higher than usual interest; nay, on + any terms, rather than not get it. Almost anything will be + better than a protest; for exclusive of the disgrace, which + is intolerable, the consequences of it would cost Congress + more than the expense of saving their credit, be it almost + what it will. + + "I am, &c. + JOHN JAY." + +The Ambassador informed me, that he had received despatches from +Philadelphia, which gave him and the Court great pleasure, viz.--That +Congress had, at the instance of the Chevalier de la Luzerne and Don +Francisco, agreed to make a diversion to the southward in order to +facilitate the Spanish operations in that quarter; that a noble spirit +was pervading all ranks of people; that we had been successful in +Jersey, &c. &c. and in short, that the Chevalier de la Luzerne was +much pleased with Congress and the general aspect of affairs in +America. I lamented in silence, that I should have no other +intelligence of all this, but from a French Ambassador. + +He informed me further, that he believed we should now be able to get +some of the clothing taken from the enemy by Admiral Cordova; that he +had, and would continue to cherish the idea. We had a long +conversation; he gave me much good advice, some useful information, +and many assurances of cordiality and good will. + +On the evening of the 23d, I was admitted to the honor of a conference +with his Excellency the Count de Florida Blanca; and M. Gardoqui, who +understands Spanish and English exceedingly well, performed the part +of interpreter. + +The following notes of the conference are very exact as to every +particular. + + _Notes of a Conference between his Excellency the Count de + Florida Blanca and Mr Jay, at St Ildefonso, on Saturday + Evening, September 23d, 1780_. + + After the usual civilities the Count began the conference by + informing Mr Jay, that the Court had received intelligence + from the Havana, of Congress having so far complied with the + request made to them to permit the exportation of provisions + for the use of his Majesty's fleets and armies there, as to + give license for shipping three thousand barrels of flour, + circumstances not admitting of further supplies at that time; + that this business was conducted by Mr Robert Morris in a + manner with which he was well pleased; that Congress had + also, in order to promote the success of the Spanish + operations against Pensacola, &c. agreed to make a diversion + to the southward, to detach a considerable body of regular + troops and militia to South Carolina under General Gates; + that his Majesty was well pleased with, and highly sensible + of, these marks of their friendly disposition, and had + directed him to desire Mr Jay to convey his thanks to them on + the occasion. + + Mr Jay expressed his satisfaction at this intelligence, and + promised to take the earliest opportunity of conveying to + Congress the sense his Majesty entertained of their + friendship, manifested by these measures. He told the Count + it gave him pleasure to hear the business of the Spanish + supplies was committed to Mr Robert Morris, and assured him, + that the fullest confidence might be reposed in that + gentleman's abilities and integrity. He requested his + Excellency again to assure his Majesty, that he might rely on + the good disposition of Congress, and of their evincing it in + every way, which the situation of their affairs and the + interest of the common cause might render practicable and + expedient. The Count told Mr Jay, that he had proposed to the + French Ambassador to send to Congress for the use of their + army, clothing for ten regiments lately taken in the convoy + bound from Britain to Jamaica, and in which the two Crowns + were equally interested; that the Ambassador approved the + proposition, but had not yet given his final answer. He then + observed, that a negotiation for a peace between Britain and + Spain appeared at present more distant than ever; that the + former had offered his Majesty everything he could desire to + induce him to a separate peace; but that the King, adhering + to the same resolutions in favor of America, which had + influenced his conduct in his mediation for a general peace + and since, had rejected them, and that Congress might rely on + his Majesty's determination never to give up or forsake + America, but on the contrary continue affording her all the + aids in his power. + + He told Mr Jay, that the Court of London, disappointed in + their expectations of detaching Spain, had it in + contemplation again to send Commissioners to America to + treat with Congress on the subject of an accommodation with + them; that this measure was at present under the + consideration of the Privy Council, and that there was reason + to suppose it would be adopted. He observed, that the English + had hitherto discovered much finesse and little true policy; + that first they endeavored by their intrigues in France to + separate that kingdom and America, but not succeeding there, + they sent Commissioners to America; that the last year they + attempted to detach France, and this year Spain, and that + being unsuccessful in both they would again attempt America; + that the best way of defeating their designs was mutual + confidence in each other. He remarked, that America could not + rely on any promise of Britain, and asked if she was once + detached from France and Spain, who could compel an + observance of them? Mr Jay thanked the Count for this + communication, and assured him, that Congress would not only + adhere to their engagements from motives of interest, but + from a regard to their honor, and the faith of treaties; that + the opinion of Congress on this subject corresponded with + that of his Excellency, and that their conduct, with respect + to the former English Commissioners, gave conclusive evidence + of their sentiments on the subject. Mr Jay promised in case + he received any intelligence relative to this matter, his + Excellency might depend on its being communicated immediately + to him. + + The Count appeared satisfied with this, and again repeated + his former assurances of the King's good disposition towards + America, &c. &c. + + Mr Jay informed his Excellency, that the subject on which he + was desirous of conversing with him, arose from the paper he + had received from M. Gardoqui the 15th instant, containing + his Excellency's answer to Mr Jay's letter of the 14th. + + Mr Jay then requested the Count to communicate to his Majesty + his thanks for the offer he had been pleased to make, of his + responsibility in order to facilitate a loan of one hundred + and fifty thousand dollars, and also for the promise of + clothing, &c. &c. and to assure him, that the gratitude of + the States would always be proportionate to the obligations + conferred upon them; he observed to the Count, that he + intended to attempt this loan in Spain, France, and Holland, + and begged to be informed in what manner he should evidence + the responsibility of his Majesty to the persons, who might + be disposed to lend the money, for that in this and other + similar cases, he meant to be guided by his Excellency's + directions. The Count replied, that as this matter fell + within the department of M. Musquir, the Minister of Finance, + he would consult him upon it on Tuesday evening next, and + immediately thereafter inform Mr Jay of the result. He then + apologized, and expressed his regret for not being able to + furnish the money he had expected to supply (alluding + evidently to the _thirty or forty thousand pounds_ which, in + the conference at Aranjues, the 11th day of May last, he said + he expected to be able to supply by the end of this or + beginning of next year.) He said he had been disappointed in + the remittances expected from America, for he was advised, + that two ships, which he had expected would arrive from + thence with treasure in December or January next, would not + come, and that this and other circumstances rendered it + impossible for him to advance us any money in Europe. But + that he would, nevertheless, agreeably to the King's + intentions, give us all the assistance in his power. + + Mr Jay desired to be informed, whether any steps were + necessary for him to take for forwarding the clothing at + Cadiz to America. The Count answered, that he waited the + French Ambassador's answer on the subject, and that he had as + yet no inventory of them, but that he would again speak to + the Ambassador, and make arrangements for sending them on to + America as soon as possible. + + Mr Jay then proceeded to regret that the pleasure he derived + from these instances of his Majesty's friendship to the + United States, was mingled with pain from being informed by + the abovementioned paper, that the King conceived he might + have just cause to be disgusted with them. + + Because, 1st; they had drawn the bills of exchange without + his previous consent; and, 2dly, because they had not given + any tokens of a recompense. Mr Jay reminded his Excellency + that these bills were drawn upon himself, and not on Spain, + and although that Congress might have hoped, for reasons + already assigned, to have been enabled to pay them by a loan + from his Majesty, yet that every other usual measure was left + open for that purpose. That an application to Spain for such + a loan could give no just cause of offence, for that if it + had not been convenient to her to make it, all that she had + to was to have told him so, and he was then at liberty to + take such measures for procuring it elsewhere as he might + think proper. The Count replied, that what Mr Jay observed + was true, but that certainly the bills were drawn with an + expectation of their being paid by Spain, and that this might + probably have been done if previous notice of the measure had + been given. That he always intended to have done something + towards their payment, but had been prevented by + disappointments, and the exigencies of the State. Mr Jay + continued to observe, that the second cause assigned for this + disgust, viz. that Congress had given no tokens of a + recompense, must have risen from a mistake. He reminded his + Excellency, that he had never requested a donation from + Spain, but that on the contrary he had repeatedly offered to + pledge the faith of the United States for the repayment with + interest, within a reasonable time after the war, of whatever + sum his Majesty might be so kind as to lend them. To these + remarks the Count said only, that interest for the money + would have been no object with them; that they would gladly + have lent it to us without interest, and repeated his regret + at the disappointment which had prevented them. He appeared + rather uneasy and desirous of waiving the subject. + + Mr Jay next called the Count's attention to a part of the + paper in question, which informed him "that there were hints + (though no credit was given to it) of some understanding + between America and the Court of London." He observed, that + this subject was both delicate and important; that so far as + this understanding related to Congress, or the governments of + either of the States, he was sure that this insinuation was + entirely groundless; that there might possibly be intriguing + individuals, who might have given cause to such suspicions; + that if there were such men or bodies of men it would be for + the good of the common cause that they should be detected, + and their designs frustrated. He therefore requested, that if + his Excellency had any evidence on this subject, he would be + pleased to communicate it, and thereby enable him to give + Congress an opportunity of taking such measures as + circumstances might render proper. The Count said, he had + nothing specific or particular as yet to communicate. That he + was pursuing measures for further discoveries, and that he + would mention to Mr Jay whatever information might result + from them. + + Mr Jay resumed his animadversions on the paper in question by + observing, that it assured him it was necessary, "that + Congress should give sure and effective tokens of a good + correspondence, proposing reciprocal measures of a + compensation, &c. in order that his Majesty might extend his + further dispositions towards them." That for his part he + could conceive of no higher tokens, which one nation could + give to another of friendship and good will, than their + commissioning and sending a person for the express purpose of + requesting his Majesty to enter into treaties of amity and + alliance with them, and that on terms of reciprocity of + interest and mutual advantage. To this the Count replied, + that to this day he was ignorant of these terms, and that no + particular propositions had been made him. Mr Jay then + reminded him of his letters from Cadiz, and of the conference + on the subject at Aranjues on the 2d day of June last, in the + latter of which, after conferring on the subject of aids, and + of the treaty, his Excellency had promised to reduce his + sentiments on both to writing, and send him notes on each; + that as to the first, Mr Jay had received the notes, but not + on the last; that he had been in constant expectation of + receiving them, and that delicacy forbade pressing his + Excellency on that matter, or offering anything further till + he should have leisure to complete them. + + He said he thought he had given them to Mr Jay or Mr + Carmichael, which both of them assured him he had not. Of + this the Count appeared after a little time satisfied, when + Mr Jay resumed the subject by remarking, that the order of + conducting that business appeared to him to be this; that as + a right was reserved by the Secret Article to his Majesty to + accede to the treaty between France and America whenever he + thought proper, and that the latter would go into a + discussion of any alteration the King might propose, that + should be founded on reciprocity of interest, the first + question was whether his Majesty would accede to it as it + was, or whether he would propose any and what alterations. + + The Count here interrupted Mr Jay by saying, that the + interest of France and Spain with respect to America were so + distinct, as necessarily to render different treaties + necessary. Mr Jay answered, that admitting this to be the + case, the treaty with France might be made the basis, and + then go on _mutatis mutandis_. The Count proceeded to say, + that it would not conduce to the general pacification to + hurry on the treaty; that finding Congress were not disposed + to cessions, without which the King would not make a treaty, + he thought it best by mutual services and acts of friendship, + to continue making way for more condescensions on both sides, + and not excite animosities and warmth by discussing points + which the King would never yield. That, therefore, Mr Jay + might take time to write to Congress on the subject, and + obtain their instructions. + + He said, that previous to Mr Jay's or M. Gerard's arrival at + Madrid, M. Mirales had informed him that Congress would yield + the navigation of the Mississippi, but that M. Gerard + informed him that Congress had changed their resolution on + that subject; that he had mentioned these obstacles to Mr Jay + and Mr Carmichael, and it was probable that having done this, + he had neglected or forgotten to give Mr Jay the notes in + question. Mr Jay here reminded his Excellency, that the + conference between them of the 2d day of June last turned + among other points on these obstacles, and that they had then + mutually expressed hopes that regulations calculated to + remove them in a manner satisfactory to both parties might be + adopted, and that the conferences respecting them were + concluded by his Excellency's promising to give Mr Jay notes + of his sentiments on the proposed treaty. The Count admitted + this, and made several observations tending to show the + importance of this object to Spain, and its determination to + adhere to it, saying, with some degree of warmth, that unless + Spain could exclude all nations from the Gulf of Mexico, they + might as well admit all; that the King would never relinquish + it; that the Minister regarded it as the principal object to + be obtained by the war, and _that obtained_, he should be + perfectly easy whether or no Spain procured any other + cession; that he considered it far more important than the + acquisition of Gibraltar, and that if they did not get it, it + was a matter of indifference to him whether the English + possessed Mobile or not; that he chose always to speak his + sentiments plainly and candidly on those occasions, for which + reason he generally acted differently from other politicians, + in always choosing to commit himself to paper, and appealing + to the knowledge of the French Ambassador and others, who had + done business with him, for the proofs of this being the + principle of his conduct. He concluded by saying he would + give his sentiments in writing on this subject to Mr Jay. + + Mr Jay made no reply to the Count's remarks on the + navigation, but observing, that being little acquainted with + the practice of politicians, he was happy in having to treat + with a Minister of his Excellency's principles. He added, + that there were many points necessary to be adjusted in order + to a treaty; that they might proceed to agree upon as many as + they could, and with respect to the others, he should state + them clearly to Congress, and attend their further + instructions. + + Mr Jay then again turned the conference to the paper + beforementioned, by observing to the Count, that it appeared + from it, that the King also expected from Congress + equivalents to the supplies formerly afforded, and also the + expenses of the war, which it alleged had its origin from + them. That as to the first he could only repeat what he had + before said, that a general account of them was necessary. + That he neither knew the amount of them, nor the terms on + which they were granted; that it was a transaction previous + to his appointment; that on being furnished with the + necessary information, he would transmit it to Congress, and + wait their instructions; that an expectation of an equivalent + to the expenses sustained by Spain in the war, was + inadmissible on every principle. He read the passage in + question and remarked, that America could no more be justly + chargeable with the expenses of the war sustained by Spain, + than Spain could be justly chargeable with the expenses of + the war sustained by America. The Count replied, that Mr Jay + had mistaken his meaning, and that he urged it merely to show + that as the States were deriving considerable advantages from + very expensive operations on the part of Spain, that + consideration should incline them to more condescension + towards the latter. + + Mr Jay assured his Excellency that he knew it to be the + disposition of Congress to contribute all in their power to + the success of the common cause, and that they would on + every occasion give proofs of it, and among others, that he + was confident they would permit his Majesty to export from + thence, _during the war_, ship timber and masts for the royal + navy, and would readily consent to such measures as might be + proper and necessary for facilitating it. He further observed + that having been informed by M. Gardoqui that his Majesty + would like to take and finish a seventyfour gun ship now on + the stocks in one of the eastern ports, on which it was said + no work was doing, he would with pleasure write to Congress, + and propose their transferring her to his Majesty at prime + cost. That this previous step was necessary, as Congress + might perhaps intend that vessel for particular services, but + he was confident they would otherwise be happy in indulging + his Majesty's inclinations. The Count appeared pleased with + this. He said, that with respect to timber they stood most in + need at present of yards, and should be glad to obtain a + supply of them from Congress. That as to the ship, he wished + to be informed exactly of her present state, and the + materials wanted to complete and equip her, which he observed + might be sent from the Havana, and whether a crew of + Americans could be had to navigate her there. Mr Jay replied, + that though he was sure that Congress would readily give + their aid in these and other matters interesting to Spain, + yet he could not forbear reminding his Excellency as a + friend, that public business done under the direction of + public bodies was always more expensive than when done by + individuals. That, therefore, he would submit it to his + consideration whether it would not be more advisable to + commit the management of those affairs to the agent, intended + to succeed M. Mirales, who, by being on the spot, would have + opportunities of acting on exact information, and in a + manner more consistent with the views of his Excellency. The + Count agreed in this opinion, and promised to communicate to + Mr Jay his further intentions on this subject. + + Mr Jay informed the Minister, that as his further stay here + would now be unnecessary, and business called him to Madrid, + he purposed to return there on Monday next. The Count + concurred and the conference ended. + +Congress will permit me to observe that many things in this conference +are important, and demand instructions. I forbear to point them out, +because they are obvious; and I take the liberty of giving this hint +from a knowledge of the delays attending the proceedings of large +bodies. + +I returned to Madrid on the day appointed; and whether to accept or +not to accept the bills became a very serious question. After +reviewing all the reasons for and against it, which are numerous, and +which Congress will readily perceive without a particular enumeration, +I determined to put a good face on the business, and accept all that +should be presented, which I have accordingly done, and am daily +doing. What the event will be I cannot pretend to decide. All that I +can say is, that my endeavors shall not be wanting to render it +successful. The responsibility of the King will not produce much, and +the difficulty of borrowing money has been increased, by the number of +agents sent to Europe for that purpose by several of the different +States, who I am told have imprudently bidden on each other. + +M. Gardoqui returned to Madrid a few days after I did, and brought me +word from the Minister, that instructions should be sent to their +Ambassadors in Holland and France, to assure in due form the +responsibility of the King to such persons as might there incline to +lend us money on the credit of it, and that the Minister would do the +same here. He told me further, that the Minister hoped I would not be +discouraged, nor consider this only on the dark side, for that it was +still his intention to afford America every aid in his power. All this +I ascribe to the exertions of America, and I am confident, that it will +always be necessary for the United States to be formidable at home, if +they expect to be respectable anywhere. + +For my own part, I shall be disappointed, if I find Courts moving on +any other principle than political ones, and, indeed, not always on +those. Caprice, whim, the interests and passions of individuals, must +and will always have greater or less degrees of influence. America +stands very high here, at present. I rejoice at it, though I must +confess I much fear that such violent exertions may be followed by +languor and relaxation. What the plan of this Court is with respect to +us, or whether they have any, is with me very doubtful. If they have +rejected all the overtures of Britain, why is Mr Cumberland still +here? And why are expresses passing between Madrid and London through +Portugal? If Spain is determined that we shall be independent, why not +openly declare us so, and thereby diminish the hopes and endeavors of +Britain to prevent it? She seems to be desirous of holding the +balance, of being in some sort a mediatrix, and of courting the offers +of each by her supposed importance to both. The drawing of bills on me +was considered as a desperate measure, prompted by our imbecility, and +was a bad card to play at a time we were endeavoring to form a treaty, +and when prudence demanded that the importance of Spain to us should +not have been brought forward, or placed in such a glaring point of +view. + +One good consequence, however, has resulted from it. The cordiality of +Spain has been tried by it. For I know of a certainty, that it was in +her power easily to have made the loan we asked. Indeed, we shall +always be deceived, if we believe that any nation in the world has, or +will have, a disinterested regard for us, especially absolute +monarchies, where the temporary views or passions of the Prince, his +Ministers, his women, or his favorites, not the voice of the people, +direct the helm of State. Besides, from the manner in which the war is +carrying on, it would seem as if it was the design of France and Spain +that the longest _purse_, not the longest _sword_, should decide it. +Whether such be really their intention, or how far it may be politic, +I cannot pretend to determine. This, however, is certain, that it +would be putting the affair on a hard issue for us. It is also +certain, that some respect is due to appearances and probable events, +and we should be cautious how we spend our money, our men, or our +public spirit, uselessly. + +In my opinion, we should endeavor to be as independent on the charity +of our friends, as on the mercy of our enemies. Jacob took advantage +even of his brother's hunger, and extorted from him a higher price +than the value of the Mississippi even for a single dinner. The way +not to be in _Esau's_ condition, is to be prepared to meet with +_Jacob's_. + +From what I can learn of the King's character, I am persuaded, that a +present from Congress of a handsome fast sailing packet boat would be +very acceptable, and consequently very useful. + +I am informed, and believe, that a loan from individuals in France is +impracticable. Here nothing can be done in that way. What may be +expected from the like attempts in Holland, I am unable to say. + +I have received no answer to my letter to Count de Vergennes; the +Ambassador informs me, that the Count has written him on the subject, +and the following is an extract from his letter. + + Translation. + + "I doubt whether I shall be able to render Mr Jay the service + he requests of me, independently of what the Ministry has + furnished the Americans in the course of the year. Dr + Franklin is urgent for a million extra, to meet the drafts of + Congress to the 31st of December. I am sensible how important + it is to prevent them from being returned protested, but the + difficulty is to find the means. I shall do my best in this + exigency, but am not sure of success; beyond this, it would + be impossible for me to go." + +Dr Franklin has obtained some more money from his Court, and I am to +have twentyfive thousand dollars of it; perhaps he may be able to +advance more, but how much, I cannot say. + +_November 1st, 1780._ No orders have as yet been given respecting the +clothing. I have applied and reapplied, and have been promised and +repromised. I employed Mr Harrison, at Cadiz, (with the Minister's +concurrence) to make the purchase, and he has several weeks been +waiting for these orders. + +General Gates is defeated, and Mr Laurens in the Tower. Our sky in +this quarter is again darkened with clouds not in my power to dispel. + +I had flattered myself with receiving before this time some +regulations respecting American seamen. + +The house of Le Couteulx have refused to continue their care of them, +or to advance more money on that account. They complain that the +American Captains under various pretexts refuse to give them passages, +without being paid for them. This is cruel. + +The following are copies of their letter to me on the subject, and my +answer. + + LE COUTEULX & CO. TO JOHN JAY. + + "Cadiz, October 3d, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "Our supplies for the American sailors amount at this day to + ---- We will continue to render them every service in our + power, but will confess to you ingenuously, that if you do + not furnish us with an order from Congress, by which you + empower us to oblige all American Captains, who come here, to + take a certain number of people, in proportion to their bulk, + free of passage, and afterwards so many more on paying them a + certain sum for their provisions, we can advance nothing; as + all the Captains who come here never fail of showing good + motives for not taking any of their fellow countrymen, + without paying them a passage, which forces us to let the + people go on board neutral vessels; and instead of fulfilling + your views of sending them back as soon as possible, this is + a means by which they get still further from it, and a great + many engage in the English service." + + TO LE COUTEULX & CO. + + "Madrid, October 15th, 1780. + + "Gentlemen, + + "I have been honored with your favor of the 3d instant, and + am much obliged by your attention to the letter it enclosed. + You were not mistaken in supposing that the handwriting was + mine. That letter was enclosed in one for Mr Harrison, and + sent under cover to you. + + "It gives me concern to find that you have so much trouble + with American seamen, and I much lament that it is not in my + power to comply with the terms on which alone you incline to + continue it. I have written more than once to Congress on the + subject, and submitted to their consideration the propriety + of establishing proper regulations for the conduct of that + business, but as yet I have received none. I presume that + their attention has been so engaged by other matters of + higher and more pressing importance, as not to have had + leisure for making these arrangements. The refusal of + American Captains to give passages to their unfortunate + countrymen is certainly unkind. I shall communicate to + Congress, and I hope proper measures will be taken to remove + that obstacle. At any rate, however, I cannot leave these + unhappy captives friendless, in a strange country. The + unfeeling treatment of the Captains rather stimulates than + represses my commiseration, and, therefore, Gentlemen, as it + is not convenient to you to proceed in your care of them, but + on terms not in my power to comply with, I find myself + reduced to the necessity of requesting that favor from + others. For this purpose I have written to Mr Harrison of + your city, and proposed his undertaking it, and have desired + him in case he consented, to mention it to you. On that event + I must beg the favor of you to give him such information and + advice, as may be useful to him in the management of those + affairs. Be pleased also to liquidate your accounts with him; + they shall be paid without further delay. + + "The attention and kind offices you have regularly paid to + Americans, and the personal civilities that myself and family + experienced from you, while at Cadiz, will always continue to + excite my warmest acknowledgments, and lead me to omit no + opportunity of convincing you of the esteem and regard, with + which I am, Gentlemen, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +I have before mentioned to Congress my difficulties as to +correspondence. They continue, and I am obliged to give Colonel +Livingston the trouble of carrying this letter to Bilboa, and +delivering it with his own hands to the Captain of some American +vessel. Congress might have letters from me every month, if orders +were given to the Captains of the vessels bringing despatches for me, +to send a trusty officer with them to me. I know that all are opened, +and some suppressed, and I can think of no other way of avoiding these +inconveniences. It is important that our correspondence be +uninterrupted. + +I have written very particularly, perhaps more so than may be prudent, +but as I think it my duty, I pay no regard to consequences. If +Congress will be equally well satisfied with less minute information, +I wish to be told so, that their direction on this head may govern me +in future. I cannot forbear again observing, that few of their +proceedings remain long secret. I have very good authority for saying +that copies of the letters, which passed between the Committee and the +late Commissioners in France, are now in the hands of a certain +foreigner. How he got them I do not know, but such is the fact, and in +my opinion it calls for more care in future. + +If my letters meet with the same fate, my remaining here will become a +useless expense to my country. + +I think I have written everything material to enable Congress to know +the exact state of their affairs here. If, however, there should be +any questions to which an answer would be agreeable to Congress, I +wish to be informed of them; for since I left America, I have made it +a rule to be always in a capacity to render a reason for every part of +my conduct, and state with accuracy every fact relative to it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[25] A full account of Mr Cumberland's proceedings in Spain may be +found in his _Memoirs_ published many years afterwards. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, November 30th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Your Excellency will receive herewith enclosed certain papers from +Morocco, viz. + +_No. 1._ Containing a letter of the 21st of April last, to me from +Audibert Caille, who styles himself the "Consul appointed by the +Emperor for such foreign nations as have none of their own in his +dominions, to protect the strangers who may come to traffic in his +ports pursuant to two proclamations published last year." + +_No. 2._ My answer. + +_No. 3._ Copy of M. Audibert's appointment. + +_No. 4._ Copy of a declaration of the Emperor, 20th of February, 1778. + +_No. 5._ A letter from M. Audibert Caille to Congress of 6th of +September, 1779. Also, six printed copies of M. Audibert Caille's +certificates. + +These papers ought to have been sent with my letters of May last, but +recollecting as I was then about to put them up, that if the originals +should be lost on the passage, it might be difficult to obtain +others, I thought it most prudent to detain them to be copied, and +wait for some other opportunity of getting them to the sea; none has, +however, since occurred, and I did not think them of sufficient +importance to render it necessary that either Mr Carmichael or Colonel +Livingston should carry them to one of the sea ports. + +It is proper that your Excellency should be informed, that on the 8th +instant I had a conference with the Minister at the Escurial, in which +I received many good _words_ and friendly assurances, but time only +can decide how they will terminate. I received a letter yesterday from +Mr Harrison, of the 24th instant, and then no orders had arrived about +the clothing. These delays may seem singular, but they are not +uncommon. Mr Cumberland is still here. The French and English fleets +are at sea. + +Although appearances are not very flattering at present, I hope they +will in time become more so. Patience, prudence, and perseverance, +sometimes effect much. It is in my opinion very important that no +dissatisfaction be expressed in America at the conduct of Spain. +Complaint and disgust can answer no good purpose, but may be +productive of many disagreeable consequences. A cautious silence is +the more necessary, as I am confident that there are persons in +America, who would make a merit of collecting and transmitting the +sentiments of Congress, or _members_ of Congress, on subjects +interesting to the views and objects of persons in power here. + +Colonel Livingston would have returned this fall at the expiration of +the term expressed in his leave of absence, had I not taken the +liberty of advising him to remain, and taken upon myself to adjust +this matter with Congress. As he is employed, and industrious in +obtaining knowledge, which may enable him to be useful in future to +his country, I must join with him in requesting that Congress will be +so kind as to extend his leave of absence to such further period as +may be agreeable to them. + +The enclosed paper marked No. 6, is a copy of a State of the Revenues +and Expenditures of Spain, in the year 1778. It was formed by a +Secretary to one of the embassies, and a copy of it was given to Mr +Carmichael. I received it the last day of July, and had no safe +opportunity of sending it before. What credit may be due to this +account I cannot determine, and I have reason to think that there are +few men in the kingdom who can. This government, disposed to +concealment and mystery in most matters, will not probably permit an +accurate knowledge of their revenues to be easily attained. This +account is perhaps as near the truth as any other. The gentleman, it +is said, took much pains in forming it, and it also met with the +approbation of some foreign Ministers; but how far those Ministers +were judges of the subject I am uninformed. The remarks subjoined to +this account are Mr Carmichael's, and were added to the copy I +received from him. + +I send copies of several letters, which passed between Messrs de +Neufville and Son, of Amsterdam, and myself, relative to the bills +drawn on Mr Laurens.[26] The conduct of that House has been so +friendly and disinterested, that I think Congress should be +particularly informed of it, and by taking proper notice of it, induce +others to follow the example. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[26] These have been inserted in the order of their several dates. + + * * * * * + + No. 1. + + FROM D'AUDIBERT CAILLE TO JOHN JAY. + + Translation. + + Aranjues, April 21st, 1780. + + Sir, + +By order of his Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, I wrote on the 6th of +September in the last year to the Congress of the United States of +North America, by way of his Excellency Dr Franklin, their +Plenipotentiary at the Court of France, to inform them of the pacific +intentions of that sovereign. + +Not having yet received any answer on their part, I fear they have not +received my letter, and by way of precaution, send your Excellency +herewith joined an open copy, that after perusing it, you may make +such use of it as you may think proper. I also send you a copy of the +two manifests therein mentioned, as well as a translation of the +patent of the consuls for foreign nations, with which his Majesty the +Emperor has been pleased to honor me, and some copies of the +certificates which he ordered me to give to the captains of ships, +which sail under his flag. + +I wish, Sir, that you may receive all these papers with pleasure, and +I request your Excellency to honor me with an answer, that I may be +able to convince his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, that I have +executed the commission he gave me to make known to Congress, that the +subjects of the said United States might come and traffic under their +own flags, in the ports of the empire of Morocco, in the like manner +as they formerly did under the English flag. + +Before I had the commission to write to Congress I had already +written on this subject to his Excellency Dr Franklin, and I offered +to interest myself cheerfully in establishing a good understanding +between his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, and the Northern United +States. + +In case that Congress should be equally well pleased to be at peace +with his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, it will be proper to +instruct the captains of American armed ships to let freely pass all +ships sailing under the flag of his Majesty, the Emperor, and will be +provided with a certificate similar to the within mentioned copies. + +I shall probably be obliged to remain here some days; as soon as my +business shall be despatched, I shall set out for Cadiz, and from +thence go to Salé, the place of my residence. + +Whenever your Excellency may be pleased to honor me with your orders, +you may address your letters to Messrs Paul Greppi, Azarino, and +Company, merchants at Cadiz, who will take care to forward them to me. + +I am with profound respect, &c. + + D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 2. + + TO D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + Sir, + +Your favor of the 21st day of April, 1780, with the papers enclosed in +it, has come safe to hand. + +The declaration of his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, does honor to +his liberality and wisdom, and I shall with great pleasure transmit +the copy of it, as well as of the other papers enclosed with it, to +his Excellency the President of Congress. + +Although I have no particular instructions on the subject, yet the +knowledge I have of the sentiments of Congress enables me to give +assurances of their disposition to cultivate peace and harmony with +all nations. I am persuaded that his Majesty's declaration will be +very agreeable to them, and that a correspondent conduct on their part +towards the subjects of Morocco, will convince him of the truth of +these assurances. I am much obliged to you for this mark of attention, +and I flatter myself that by extending your good offices to such +Americans as may resort to the ports of Morocco, they will have reason +to consider you among the number of their friends. + +Should anything interesting to America occur in Morocco, I request the +favor of you to communicate it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + No. 3. + + COPY OF M. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE'S APPOINTMENT. + + Translation. + + Copy of a French translation of a writing in Arabic, the most + authentic of those that are written at the Court of his + Majesty the Emperor of Morocco. + + "Let the name of the only God be praised; there is neither + wisdom nor power but what proceeds from the Lord most high + and most mighty. + + "We make known by this our present and generous writing, that + we have appointed the Christian, D'Audibert Caille, who is + the bearer hereof, to officiate as consul for all those + nations who have no consuls in our dominion, and who are, + the empire of Germany, Russia, Prussia, Naples, Sardinia, + Rome, Tuscany, the States of America, Genoa, Ragusa, Hamburg, + Lubec, and Dantzic; all of whom may come into our ports, and + each of them there traffic under the flag of his nation, such + as it may be. The said consul will assist them, by our order, + in whatever may be useful to them in like manner as the other + consuls do towards the subjects of their nations. And all the + officers and governors of our ports will acknowledge him for + a consul as they do the other consuls, and whichsoever of the + said nations shall come into our ports, they shall not be + molested by any of our officers or commandants whatsoever, of + our ports. To all our captains whom we shall order to cruise + by sea, the said consul will give a passport, and we renew + our order to him to hoist the flag of peace at his house, + without being therein opposed by anybody. He may also hoist + it in any port whatever, where he may have a house of + commerce, and he shall be mediator between us and the said + nations, because we esteem him. Given the 8th of the moon of + Alcahda, 1193. (1st of November, 1779.)" + + Signed by the Emperor. + +We, Stephen d'Audibert Caille, a French merchant resident at Salé, +appointed by his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, consul of those +foreign nations who have none in his dominions to protect them in that +capacity on all occasions, and to be mediator between him and those +nations, certify to all whom it may concern, that the above copy is +conformable to the original, compared by Don Miguel Cassori, the +interpreter of his Catholic Majesty. In faith of which we sign the +present certificate, sealed with the seal of the consulate of peace +at Salé. Done at Aranjues, where I happen to be in passing, the 21st +of April, 1780. + + S. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 4. + + Translation. + + _Copy of the Declaration, which his Majesty the Emperor of + Morocco (whom God preserve) orders to be notified to all + the Consuls and Christian Merchants, who reside in the + Ports of Tangier, Salé, and Mogadore, dated the 20th of + February, 1778._ + + "That in future all vessels, which carry Russian, German, + Prussian, Hungarian, Neapolitan, Sardinian, Tuscanian, + Genoese, Maltese, or American flags, may freely enter into + the ports of his dominions; and in consequence of his + determination, he has given orders to the commanders of his + vessels, that they let freely pass, all ships and other + vessels carrying the said flags without molesting them. To + the end, that they may arrive at his ports, take + refreshments, and enjoy in them the same privileges and + immunities, with those of the other nations with whom his + Imperial Majesty maintains peace." + +I, the underwritten, employed by his Imperial Majesty for foreign +affairs, certify, that the contents of the preceding declaration are +conformable to the truth. And in faith thereof, I sign this present +certificate. At Salé, the 30th of October, 1779. + + PEDRO UMBERT. + + * * * * * + +We, Stephen d'Audibert Caille, a French merchant residing at Salé, +appointed by his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, to be consul of the +foreign nations who have none in his dominions to protect them in that +capacity on all occasions, and to be mediator between him and those +nations, certify, whom it may concern, that the said Don Pedro Umbert, +who has signed the above certificate, is employed for foreign affairs +at the Court of Morocco, and that in the said quality faith is to be +given to his signature. In witness whereof we sign these presents, +sealed with the seal of the consulate of peace, at Salé, the 1st of +December, 1779. + + S. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 5. + + D'AUDIBERT CAILLE TO CONGRESS. + + Translation. + + Salé, September 6th, 1779. + +In quality of a French merchant, who has resided in this town since +the year 1773, and whom his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, has +lately named consul for those foreign nations who have none in his +dominions to protect the strangers who might come to traffic in his +ports, in pursuance of the two manifestoes which he published last +year, I have the honor to inform your Excellencies, that it is his +intention to be at peace with the United States of North America, and +that their subjects can come to trade freely in his ports under +American colors, with the like safety with those of the principal +maritime powers in Europe who enjoy peace with him. Besides the good +reception, which the governors of the ports of this empire will give +to the subjects of the United States of North America, I will on my +part render them all the services, which may depend upon me as consul +for those foreign nations who have none, and as being charged to +invite them to come and traffic freely in these ports, in like manner +as they formerly did under the English flag. + +In order that I may be able to convince his Majesty, the Emperor of +Morocco, that I have executed the commission he gave me to write as +above to the Congress, I entreat your Excellencies to be pleased to +honor me with an answer. If you think proper to write at the same time +to his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, relative to what I have +written to you on his part, I will take care to obtain a very +satisfactory answer; and I offer to interest myself very willingly, as +far as may depend upon me, that a treaty of peace may be made between +his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, and the United States of North +America, nearly similar to those which the principal maritime powers +have with him. + +That this letter may the more safely pass to you, I address it to his +Excellency Dr Franklin, your Plenipotentiary with his Most Christian +Majesty. Your Excellencies may answer me through the same channel, or +directly by the way of Cadiz, addressing your letter to the Sieurs +Paul Grippi, Azarino, and Company. My address is, to Stephen +d'Audibert Caille, consul for those foreign nations who have none in +the dominions of his Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, residing at Salé, +or simply "to D'Audibert, Santigo, and Company," which is that of my +house of commerce. + +I am, with the most profound respect, &c. + + D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 6. + + _General State of the Revenues and Expenses of Spain in the + Year 1778._ + + REVENUES. + + Reals de vel. + Provincial duties, 70,000,000 + Duties on tobacco, 55,000,000 + Duties on salt, 20,000,000 + Duties on wool, 17,000,000 + General duties, 48,060,000 + Duties on brandy, 4,525,000 + 2 per cent duty on the Octrois, + former grants of the Crown, 500,000 + Taxes on the houses in Madrid, 1,200,000 + 1. King's domain in the Serrara, 140,000 + Post office and couriers, 34,000,000 + Tax on cards, 1,000,000 + Stamp paper, 4,312,000 + Tax on the taverns in Madrid, 196,000 + Various revenues farmed, 6,418,552 + 2 Manufacture of glass at St Ildefonso, 1,500,000 + 3 Manufactures of St Ferdinando and + Guaudalaxa, 1,800,000 + Extraordinary effects, 35,000,000 + Books of Advocates and Attorneys, 62,000 + Fines in the chamber of Castille, 72,000 + Effects in the same chamber, 786,800 + Tax on the Grand Masters, 1,800,000 + Do. arising from the secular annals and + vacancies, 1,300,000 + Royal lottery, 4,500,000 + Cruzada, 20,000,000 + 4 Effects of the kingdom of Navarre, 47,500,000 + American revenue[27], 200,600,000 + Clergy, 13,000,000 + ----------- + 562,273,152 + + EXPENSES. + + Reals de vel. + The Court[28], 108,500,000 + 5 Land forces, 204,202,000 + 6 Marine, 100,000,000 + Secretary of the Indies, 8,000,000 + Department of Finance, 4,500,000 + Favers and justice, 1,100,000 + To support the tribunals, 8,422,769 + 7 Secretary of state and foreign + affairs, 9,873,288 + 8 Extraordinary expenses, 30,000,000 + ----------- + 474,598,251 + +I subjoin the result of my inquiries touching the articles marked No. +1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. + +No. 1, 2, 3. The sums mentioned in the preceding statement as arising +from the revenues numbered as above may be deducted, as concurrent +testimony induces me to believe, that the expenses consume near the +whole of the revenue. + +No. 4. I have been also assured, that this article is much +exaggerated. + +No. 5. The expenses of this establishment have greatly increased, but +I have not been able to ascertain the sum. + +No. 6. I have heard from good authority, that the expenses of the +marine in 1776 amounted to one hundred and twentyfour millions of +reals, owing to the expedition against Portuguese America. In 1777 +they amounted to eightyeight millions of reals, and in 1779 to near +four hundred millions of reals; which information induces me to +conclude, that there were great arrears of the expenses of 1778, or +that the estimate for that year is not exact. + +No. 7, 8. The expenses of these departments have greatly augmented. + + +FOOTNOTES: + +[27] The American revenue is difficult to ascertain from this +circumstance; that not arriving regularly and annually, it is +necessary to have the receipts for several years to be able to form an +exact calculation of the modium communibus annis. + +[28] The birth of the Infant has increased the Court expenses. + + * * * * * + + TO THE COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. + + Madrid, November 30th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +I have had the honor of receiving from you a letter of the 16th of +June, and another of the 12th of July, 1780, with the several papers +mentioned in them. With respect to the subjects of the first, you will +find them fully discussed in my letter to the President of Congress, +which will accompany this. The description of the bills will, I hope, +answer good purposes. + +How far the resolution, which immediately follows the one respecting +Mr Dohrman, can be fully executed, is hard to determine. Had I funds +necessary for the purpose, I should meet with few difficulties. The +measure is a wise one, and my attention to it shall be unremitted. In +a future letter I shall say more on this subject; as yet nothing has +had time to ripen. + +I must request your attention to the necessity of putting your +correspondence with the public servants in Europe on a better +footing. I am now at the expense of sending Colonel Livingston to the +sea side with my despatches, with orders to wait for American vessels, +and deliver them to the Captain with his own hands. I receive no +letters by the post, but with marks of inspection, and after much +delay. Some that I write never come to hand, and I know of letters +having arrived from America for me, which I have never seen, and never +expect to see. I know of but one man at the sea ports whom I can +confide in, viz. Mr Harrison, at Cadiz. I cannot even find a courier, +that I can depend on. Is it not time for America like other nations to +provide against these inconveniences by proper regulations and +establishments? Would it not be well to have American agents or +consuls in one or more of the ports of France and Spain? Public +despatches might be sent by packet boats, or other vessels to these +agents, and should on no account be delivered to any other person; the +agents might be ordered to send them to the Courts, to which they may +be directed, by a trusty American; one of the officers of the ship, +for example; and he should be ordered to wait for, and return with, +the despatches of the Minister. + +Would it not also be proper to provide for the safe conduct of letters +to Congress after their arrival in America? I have reason not only to +suspect, but to believe, that certain persons in America are attentive +to these matters, and care should be taken to keep American letters +out of their way. + +This is an important subject and merits attention. For my own part I +find several persons here, who have more intelligence from America +than myself; and it is the more mortifying when considered, that they +are probably often indebted for their information to the contents of +letters directed to me. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY. + + In Congress, February 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Congress having since their instructions to you of the 29th of +September, 1779, and 4th of October, 1780, relative to the claim of +the United States to the free navigation of the river Mississippi, and +to a free port or ports below the thirtyfirst degree of north +latitude, resumed the consideration of that subject, and being +desirous to manifest to all the world, and particularly to his +Catholic Majesty, the moderation of their views, the high value they +place on the friendship of his Catholic Majesty, and their disposition +to remove every reasonable obstacle to his accession to the alliance +subsisting between his Most Christian Majesty and these United States, +in order to unite the more closely in their measures and operations +three powers who have so great a unity of interests, and thereby to +compel the common enemy to a speedy, just, and honorable peace; have +resolved, and you are hereby instructed to recede from the +instructions above referred to, so far as they insist on the free +navigation of that part of the river Mississippi, which lies below the +thirtyfirst degree of north latitude, and on a free port or ports +below the same; provided such cession shall be unalterably insisted +upon by Spain; and provided the free navigation of the said river, +above the said degree of north latitude, shall be acknowledged and +guarantied by his Catholic Majesty to the citizens of the United +States in common with his own subjects. It is the order of Congress, +at the same time, that you exert every possible effort to obtain from +his Catholic Majesty the use of the river aforesaid, with a free port +or ports below the said thirtyfirst degree of north latitude for the +citizens of the United States, under such regulations and restrictions +only, as may be a necessary safeguard against illicit commerce. + +I am, &c. + + SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY + + February 20th, 1781. + + Sir, + +The President sends you instructions passed in Congress the 15th. + +Personally, I am mortified that no letters from you since September +16th have reached us. We have not waited for the minute information +promised in yours of that date, nor have we received any notice of +your receipt of our instructions of October 4th, before we discussed +anew the old subject. There has been unfair dealing with your +despatches. I apprehend that we are allowed to see only sentiments +somewhat different from yours. Perhaps the enclosed memorandum may be +some clue to your scrutiny. + +On the 10th of January, Congress resolved to establish an office for +foreign affairs, which I hope will make your station more easy and +reputable. I wish most earnestly to have a choice made of the +secretary, to whom I may deliver all the papers in my possession +connected with his duty. + +I am, Sir, your friend and humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL, + _For the Committee_. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY. + + March 9th, 1781. + + Sir, + +You will herewith receive gazettes and journals, also a resolve +respecting the complete ratification of the articles binding the +Thirteen States as a confederated body. The delay of that business +appears now like all the other circumstances of our rise and growth; +for the present is really the best of all times for that particular +event. Our enemies have been ripening themselves for this capital +_mentitis_. + +We have no letters from you or Mr Carmichael later than those +mentioned in my last, a copy of which attends this. + +I am, Sir, your friend and humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, March 22d, 1781. + + Sir, + +I ought, and wish to write your Excellency a long letter, but not by +the post. The French fleet is not yet sailed. It will, in my opinion, +be late in the summer before the fleet at Rhode Island will be +reinforced. This Court has promised me one hundred and fifty thousand +dollars. Some clothing is now shipping on account of Congress from +Cadiz. + +Russia has offered her mediation to England and the States-General. +The latter have accepted it. The answer of the former (if given) is +not known here. If she should refuse, Russia will probably take part +with the Dutch; if she accepts, she will doubtless be obliged either +to agree to terms consistent with the armed neutrality, or continue +the war. The consequences of either are obvious. + +M. Necker has published a state of the French finances, much to his +honor and their credit. Perhaps a complimentary order to translate and +publish it would be useful. + +Mr Cumberland will set out on his return, through France, in a few +days. + +This letter is intended to go by Captain Trask, from Bilboa. I am told +he will sail much sooner than had been given out, and that unless my +letters go by this evening's post, they would arrive too late. Hence I +am obliged to write in haste, and say little, there being no time for +cyphers. I have received some letters from your Excellency. Their +dates shall be mentioned another time. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, April 25th, 1781. + + Sir, + +I have had the honor of receiving your Excellency's letters of the 6th +and 17th of October last, with the enclosures. They arrived the 30th +day of January last. There is more than reason to suspect, that the +French Court were apprised of their contents before they arrived, and +to believe that the construction of the treaty, by which the +navigation of the Mississippi is supposed to be comprehended in the +guarantee, does not correspond with their ideas on that subject. This +Court continues pertinaciously to insist on our ceding that +navigation, nor will they, as yet, listen to any middle line. Whether +this be their real motive for declining a treaty with us at present, +or whether the bills drawn upon me have inspired an expectation of +profiting by our necessities, or whether they flatter themselves with +a future majority of Congress on that point, or whether they choose, +by continuing free from engagements with us, to be better enabled to +improve to their advantage the casualties of the war, are questions +which still remain undecided. Indeed, the movements of this Court in +general, when compared with the great rules of national policy +applicable to their situation, is so inexplicable, that I should not +be surprised, if it should appear in future, that they had no fixed +system whatever. + +My last particular letter informed your Excellency, that having, in +September last, been told that his Majesty could not advance us any +money, but could be responsible for a loan to the amount of one +hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I determined to continue accepting +the bills, to attempt the loan, and by a representation of my +situation to the French Court, endeavor to save the necessity of +protesting them for non-payment. + +I tried to borrow here on the security of this responsibility, but +without the least success. I attempted it in France, but it would not +do. I made the like attempt in Holland, and a gleam of hope appearing +there, I was about improving it, when a letter from America informed +me, that Mr Adams was authorised to execute the business, which had +been committed to Mr Laurens. I had heard before of his being in +Holland, but did not know the object which had called him there. +Several letters passed between Messrs De Neufville and myself on the +subject of this loan. The following is a copy of my last to them about +it. + + TO DE NEUFVILLLE & SON. + + "Madrid, January 8th, 1781. + + "Gentlemen, + + "I have had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the 4th + ult. together with the one referred to in it. + + "England has, it seems, declared war against the United + Provinces, and that in a style of such eminent superiority, + as I am persuaded will remind your countrymen, that the + United Netherlands are not comprehended among the territories + depending on the Crown of Great Britain. + + "The English Ministry, by charging the States with having + acted under French influence, intend to alarm their national + pride, and, by making Holland the particular object of their + resentment, to sow the seeds of dissensions among them, and + render that most important Province obnoxious to the others. + The tone of the whole declaration is that of a nation going + rather to give correction to disobedient vassals, than to war + upon a free and independent people. It could have been + assumed only upon a persuasion, that the same supposed + timidity, to which they ascribed the long forbearance of the + Dutch under multiplied insults and injuries, would, on this + ostentatious display of terror, reduce them to the + humiliating measure of imploring forgiveness for having acted + like freemen, and purchasing peace at the expense of their + honor and liberty. Every other nation must expect better + things of you, and can never believe, that the present + generation will want firmness to assert the rights and + vindicate the honor of a Republic, which owes its very + existence to the glorious spirit and magnanimity of its + ancestors. + + "It gives me great satisfaction to hear that Mr Adams has + conversed with you on the subject of a loan, and I am + persuaded that business will be much advanced by it. The + impropriety of two loans at a time is evident. My chief + motive in proposing one at the time I did was, that no time + might be lost by the absence of Mr Laurens, in prosecuting a + measure, which appeared to me highly useful to my country. I + have no views or objects separate from her, and, provided she + is effectually served, I am well content that the honor of + doing it should devolve on others. As the management of our + affairs in your country is committed to Mr Adams, I request + the favor of you to give him all the aid in your power. When + that gentleman went to Holland, I was ignorant of the + business which called him thither; and the first knowledge I + had of it was from America, long after Mr Laurens's capture. + It cannot now be necessary, that my name should appear in the + affair of the proposed loan, but should it be in my power to + be useful, Mr Adams may rely upon my zealous endeavors to + promote that, and every other measure for the public good. + Indeed, as matters now stand, delicacy forbids me to + interfere further than as a mere auxiliary to Mr Adams, to + whom, and to whose affairs I beg you to extend the influence + of that generous regard for America, which has placed you so + high in the esteem of + + "Gentlemen, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +My last particular despatches contained a copy of my letter to Count +de Vergennes, requesting his aid. I received from Count de Montmorin +an extract of a letter he had received from the Minister on that +subject, in which he mentions the advances made to Dr Franklin, and +the improbability of his being able to assist me, but concluded with +saying, he would do his best. Shortly after, I received a letter from +Count de Vergennes, which left me without hopes of succor from that +quarter, except that Dr Franklin promised to accept my drafts to the +amount of twentyfive thousand dollars. + +In December following, I had a long and interesting conference with +Count de Florida Blanca, the particulars of which it is not necessary +minutely to enumerate by this opportunity. He expressly promised me +one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. As the bills afterwards became +due, I applied for money to pay them, and received it to the amount of +thirtyfour thousand eight hundred and eighty dollars. + +On the 15th of March I sent him a list of the bills payable in April, +which amounted to eightynine thousand and eightythree dollars. + +On the 25th, I was informed that the payment of this sum could not +then be possibly made, but that the balance due on the one hundred and +fifty thousand dollars promised, should be paid in the course of six +months. + +I communicated this matter to the Ambassador of France, and I must do +him the justice to say, that his conduct on this occasion merits our +thanks. All he could obtain from this Court was, that the amount of +the April bills should be paid me in six equal monthly payments. This +arrangement still leaving me unprovided with the means of satisfying +the approaching demands, the Ambassador made personal application to a +rich banker here, and on his personal credit and my consenting that +the aforesaid six monthly payments should be applied to the repayment, +obtained a loan for me of the whole sum wanted for April. I have +passed my note for it, payable as soon as possible, with interest at +the rate of six per cent. But this provision not extending beyond +April, the fate of the bills payable in the succeeding months still +remained dubious. That nothing in my power might be left undone, I +sent on the 1st of April an express to Dr Franklin representing to him +my true situation, and the injuries our credit would sustain from the +protest of a single bill drawn by order of Congress. I desired him to +communicate my letter to Colonel Laurens, to whom I also wrote on the +subject. The express returned on the 19th instant, with a letter from +Dr Franklin, by which I am authorised to draw upon him as occasion may +require, to the amount of one hundred and fortytwo thousand two +hundred and twenty dollars, towards paying the bills that become due +between May and September. + +My endeavors, however, to obtain further aids from Spain, shall not be +relaxed. They seem very desirous of having the ships of the line, +still unfinished on the stocks at Boston and Portsmouth. I have +written to your Excellency on this subject, and have as yet received +no answer. When I consider that the state of our finances has so long +prevented the completing those ships, and the difficulties heretofore +experienced in providing for those in service; when I recollect that +the finishing and fitting out those ships will bring money into our +country, and probably prepare the way for Spain's building more +vessels in it, and lastly, when I consider how much these ships seem +to be an object, I am almost prevailed upon to engage positively that +Spain shall have at least one of them at prime cost. To exercise a +power not clearly within the limits of those confided to me, is a +delicate and disagreeable business. This is the first time I ever +found myself disposed to hazard it, and yet so many circumstances lead +me to think, that the public good would be promoted by the sale of +these ships, that in case I should be again pressed on this subject, I +believe I shall run the risk, from a persuasion that though such +conduct ought not to be approved or encouraged by Congress, yet that +when directed by the purest motives, and for the best purpose, it may +obtain forgiveness. + +Your Excellency will receive herewith enclosed a copy of the invoice +of prize clothing, taken by Admiral Cordova, and presented by the +Courts of France and Spain to Congress. The Count de Montmorin was +very much an American on this occasion also. Mr Harrison, at Cadiz, +has my orders to ship these goods in different vessels to America; +part of them is now on the ocean, and the rest will soon follow. Your +Excellency will receive a letter of advice with each parcel from Mr +Harrison, of whom I have a very good opinion. He charges no commission +for doing this business, being contented with the satisfaction of +serving his country. + +I have often mentioned to Congress the necessity of more effectual +provision for our captive seamen; for want of money I cannot pay that +attention to them, which their misfortunes and usefulness demand. I am +already greatly in arrears on their account, and Mr Harrison, unless +reimbursed, must soon stop his hand. + +Portugal, though overawed by France and Spain, fears and perhaps +loves England; her conduct will be determined by future events. The +Minister here has promised me to interpose the good offices of his +Court with that of Lisbon in our behalf. In time something good may +result from it. I have not received a line from Mr Dohrman; I fear he +is obliged to be very circumspect and cautious. The letters herewith +enclosed from Dr Franklin were left open for my perusal, the short +stay of my courier not allowing time for copies to be made of the +information conveyed in and with them. The intercepted letters will be +found interesting. One of them ascertains the price paid Arnold. + +I perceive that Dr Franklin desires to retire. This circumstance calls +upon me to assure Congress, that I have reason to be perfectly +satisfied with his conduct towards me, and that I have received from +him all the aid and attention I could wish or expect. His character is +very high here, and I really believe that the respectability, which he +enjoys throughout Europe, has been of general use to our cause and +country. + +Your Excellency may rely on my cordially adopting and pursuing any +measures, that can conduce to the enlargement of Mr Laurens, and I +regret that no occasion has yet offered in which I could do anything +towards the attainment of that desirable object. + +Mr Cumberland is on the road home. I much suspect that he was sent and +received, from mutual views in the two Courts of deceiving each other. +Which of them has been most successful is hard to determine. I believe +in point of intelligence, England has had the advantage. As to the +assurances of the Minister on this subject, they are all of little +consequence, because on such occasions Courts only say what may be +convenient; and therefore may or may not merit confidence. Time and +circumstances will cast more light on this subject. + +Whatever we may get from this Court is clear gain. We have no demands +upon it, and if we had, are not in a capacity to insist upon them. In +my opinion, therefore, it is of the utmost importance to avoid +appearances of discontent, and rather to impress other nations with +an opinion of the friendship of Spain for us, than otherwise. Indeed, +I really believe the King means well towards us, and that the Prime +Minister is also well disposed; but whether as much can be said of the +Minister's confidential and I believe influential secretary, M. Del +Campo, is by no means a clear point. It is proper that Congress should +know, that the gentleman intended to succeed M. Mirales was +recommended by M. Del Campo, with whom he has long been on terms of +intimacy and friendship. + +I have nevertheless no room to doubt of this gentleman's attachment to +our cause, though I am inclined to think his conduct will be +conformable in a certain degree with the views of his patron. This +ought to remain a secret. He is still here, although he expects daily +to be despatched. + +I represented the case of the Dover cutter to the Ministry here the +22d of June last. In December I obtained a promise that it should be +appraised, and the value paid to the captors, and two days ago I was +again assured, that measures were taking to bring this matter to a +conclusion. _Festina Lente_ seems to be the first maxim in Spanish +politics and operations. It is the fashion of the country and +strangers must conform to it. + +I congratulate Congress on the victory obtained by General Morgan, and +the success of the French in the Chesapeake. The enclosed gazette +contains much good news from the East Indies. These events will +probably give Lord George Germain other ideas than those which appear +in his intercepted letters. + +M. Toscan, who goes to reside as Vice Consul of France at Boston, will +carry this letter to America, and perhaps to Philadelphia. He was +ready to set out when my courier returned from France. I was obliged +to delay my letters till his arrival, and M. Toscan has been so +obliging as to wait till I could complete them. + +I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS TO JOHN JAY. + + In Congress, May 28th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Your letter of the 6th of November last, detailing your proceedings +from the 26th of May down to that period, has been received by the +United States in Congress assembled. At the same time was received +your letter of the 30th of November, with the several papers therein +referred to. + +It is with pleasure, Sir, I obey the direction of Congress to inform +you, that throughout the whole course of your negotiations and +transactions, in which the utmost address and discernment were often +necessary to reconcile the respect due to the dignity of the United +States with the urgency of their wants, and the complaisance expected +by the Spanish Court, your conduct is entirely approved by them. It is +their instruction that you continue to acknowledge, on all suitable +occasions, the grateful impression made on these States by the +friendly disposition manifested toward them by his Catholic Majesty, +and particularly by the proofs given of it in the measures which he +has taken, and which it is hoped he will further take, for preserving +their credit, and for aiding them with a supply of clothing for their +army. You are also authorised and instructed to disavow, in the most +positive and explicit terms, any secret understanding or negotiation +between the United States and Great Britain; to assure his Catholic +Majesty, that such insinuations have no other source than the +invidious designs of the common enemy, and that as the United States +have the highest confidence in the honor and good faith both of his +Most Christian and of his Catholic Majesty, so it is their inviolable +determination to take no step, which shall depart in the smallest +degree from their engagements with either. + +Should the Court of Spain persist in the refusal intimated by its +Minister to accede to the treaty between the United States and his +Most Christian Majesty, or to make it the basis of its negotiation +with you, the difficulty, it is conceived, may easily be avoided by +omitting all express reference to that treaty, and at the same time +conforming to the principles and tenor of it; and you are accordingly +authorised so far to vary the plan of your original instructions. As +his Most Christian Majesty however may justly expect, in a matter +which so nearly concerns him, and which was brought into contemplation +in the treaty he so magnanimously entered into with these States, the +strongest marks of attention and confidence, you will not fail to +maintain, in the several steps of your negotiation, a due +communication with his Minister at the Court of Spain, and to include +his interests as far as circumstances will warrant. + +You are authorised to acquaint his Catholic Majesty that not only +entire liberty will be granted, during the war at least, to export +naval stores for the royal marine, but that every facility will be +afforded for that purpose. + +As Congress have no control over the captains of private vessels, +however proper your hints may be of obliging them to give a passage to +American seamen returning home from foreign ports, and to send an +officer with despatches intrusted to them for foreign Ministers, it is +impracticable to carry them into execution, you will therefore +continue to provide for these objects for the present, in the best +manner you can. As soon as the United States are in condition to +establish consuls in the principal ports of the States with which they +have intercourse, the difficulty will be removed; or if any other +practicable remedy be suggested in the meantime, it will be applied. + +The letter, of which you enclose a copy, from Stephen d'Audibert +Caille, styling himself consul for unrepresented nations at the Court +of Morocco, had before been received through the hands of Dr Franklin. +If you shall have no objection to the contrary, you will correspond +with him, and assure him in terms the most respectful to the Emperor, +that the United States in Congress assembled entertain a sincere +disposition to cultivate the most perfect friendship with him, and +that they will embrace a favorable occasion to announce their wishes +in form. + +The generous and critical services rendered these United States by +Messrs Neufville and Son, have recommended them to the esteem and +confidence of Congress. You will signify as much to them, and that +their services will not be forgotten, whenever a proper occasion +offers of promoting their interests. + +Your intimation with respect to complimenting his Catholic Majesty +with a handsome, fast sailing packet-boat, claims attention; but the +variety of public embarrassments will render the execution of it very +uncertain. + +Congress agree to an extension of Colonel Livingston's furlough, till +the further order of Congress, which you will make known to him. + +Your letter of the 16th of September last was received on the 4th day +of December. No bills have been drawn on you since. That of the 28th +of January was received on the 27th day of April; and in consequence +of it the sale of the bills already drawn, but then remaining on hand, +was countermanded. + +By a letter from Mr Carmichael, dated the 22d of February, and +received on the 27th of April last, Congress are informed that you had +received despatches from them dated in October. These must have +contained their instructions to you to adhere to the claim of the +United States to the navigation of the Mississippi. A reconsideration +of that subject determined Congress, on the 15th day of February last, +to recede from that instruction so far as it insisted on their claim +to the navigation of that river below the thirtyfirst degree of north +latitude, and to a free port or ports below the same. On the receipt +of this latter instruction, Congress have little doubt that the great +obstacle to your negotiations will be removed, and that you will not +only be able without further delay to conclude the proposed alliance +with his Catholic Majesty, but that the liberality and friendly +disposition manifested on the part of the United States by such a +cession, will induce him to afford them some substantial and effectual +aid in the article of money. The loss attending the negotiation of +bills of exchange has been severely felt. A supply of specie through +the Havana would be much more convenient and acceptable. + + SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Aranjues, May 29th, 1781. + + Sir, + +My last to your Excellency was of the 25th ult. and was the more +particular, as Mr Toscan, who is appointed Vice Consul of France at +Boston, and was the bearer of it; he sailed from Bilboa. + +On the 18th instant I received from Mr Lovell three letters written on +one sheet, viz. 20th of February, 9th and 31st of March last. No other +copies of these letters ever reached me. They arrived at Cadiz in the +Virginia; but the papers and journals said to accompany them never +came to my hands, nor have I received any letters from your Excellency +since January last. + +On the 23d instant I waited upon his Excellency, the Count de Florida +Blanca, and informed him of the facts stated in the above memorial. He +said, he had not as yet heard anything upon the subject; that there +was such an ordinance, and that prudence demanded that the admission +of letters from abroad, especially in time of war, should be under the +direction of government. That the situation of North America rendered +new regulations necessary, that he would turn his thoughts to it, and +do what should appear equitable. The next day I sent him Mr Harrison's +memorial in a letter on the subject of it. + +As this letter will go by the post, I must omit being minute about +many matters, which I wish to communicate to Congress. Cyphers would +probably impede the progress of this letter, if not stop it. + +The captors of the Dover cutter still remain unsatisfied. My first +memorial on that subject was dated and presented the 22d of June last. +In the winter I was promised, that the prize should be appraised, and +the value paid. At present I am assured that informations about it are +taking. + +M. Gardoqui, it is said, will set out in June. If a safe conveyance, +which I am encouraged to expect in about a fortnight's time, should +offer, I shall write your Excellency a long letter, and mention the +dates of my former ones. If not, I shall take another method, not +proper to explain in this letter, which, notwithstanding its different +covers, will, I doubt not, be inspected before it reaches Cadiz. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, June 4th, 1781. + + Sir, + +I enclose a resolve of Congress, of May 24th, respecting an interest +of Messrs Dumain and Lyon, with their petition annexed. I also add the +copy of a resolve of September the 27th, 1780, and of a short letter +of mine to a gentleman in Teneriffe, to serve as a memorandum in case +you have not already procured justice for Mr Magnall and his +associates, who took the Dover cutter. Mr McCarrick of Santa Cruz is +knowing to all the circumstances of that affair. Magnall has been +unfortunate from the time he left this place last October; he is now +here. I do not know whether this is the matter referred to in the +letter of Mr Carmichael of December 24th, where he says, "The Minister +also engaged to do justice to certain Americans, who carried a British +privateer to the Canaries." I send you an extract from instructions +given to Dr Franklin concerning M. d'Audibert Caille, which may serve +to govern your conduct towards that gentleman. + +Your humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, June 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +On the 4th I transmitted to you a resolve of May 24th, respecting an +interest of Messrs Dumain and Lyon, with their petition annexed. You +will herewith receive other copies of those papers by opportunities, +which the party concerned will industriously find. I recommend the +business afresh to your attention, those worthy men having already met +with vexatious delays on this side of the water. + +With much esteem I am, Sir, your friend, + + JAMES LOVELL. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, July 4th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +The derangement of our money affairs, the enormity of our public +expenditures, the confusion in all our departments, the languor of our +general system, the complexity and consequent inefficacy of our +operations; these are some among the many reasons which have induced +Congress to the appointment of a Superintendent of Finance. I enclose +you copies of their resolutions on that subject, with such other +papers as will fully explain to you my appointment and powers. + +The use of this office must be found in a progress towards the +accomplishment of these two capital objects, the raising a revenue +with the greatest convenience to the people, and the expenditure of it +with the greatest economy to the public. + +The various requisitions of Congress to the several States, none of +them entirely complied with, create a considerable balance in favor of +the United States, and the claiming this balance is delivered over to +me as revenue; while on the other hand, the dangerous practice of +taking articles for the public service and giving certificates to the +people, has created a very general and a very heavy debt. The amount +of this debt is swelled beyond all reasonable bounds, nor can the +extent of it be at present estimated. These things need no +explanation, but it may be proper to observe, that if the certificates +were not in my way, there is still an infinite difference between the +demand of a balance from the States, and an effectual revenue. The +latter can be obtained only in consequence of wise laws generally +adopted, and as generally executed with vigor and decision. Were all +that is necessary on these heads accomplished, something further would +still remain to be done, in order that the produce of taxes should he +subject to the sole and absolute disposition of the United States, or +of their officers. To you who are acquainted with republican +governments, it is unnecessary to observe on the delays which will +arise, the obstacles which will be raised, and the time which will be +consumed, in placing the revenue of America on a proper footing. Yet +this is absolutely necessary before credit can be established, and the +indispensable supplies obtained on terms of economy. + +To reform our expenditure is an object of equal importance with the +other, and it is in some degree within my power, as you will perceive +it to have been subjected to my authority. But even here I find myself +trammeled by the want of necessary funds. To contract, for instance, +with any one, in order to obtain bread for our troops, requires the +previous certainty of being able to make the stipulated payments. And +so in every other case, I shall be unable to act with decision, unless +I have the command of money. On the other hand, the people will bear +with great reluctance the necessary imposition of heavy burthens, +while they can perceive any want of arrangement, method, or economy, +in the administration of their affairs. + +If for a moment we suppose, that this country, amid the confusions of a +revolution, and the rage of war, could be governed with all the +regularity, wisdom, and prudence, of ancient and peaceable nations; +yet we must be convinced, that no annual revenue she is able to raise +could equal the annual expense in an offensive war against so powerful +a nation, as that which we now contend with. A great balance, +therefore, must remain, and it must be provided for by loans or +subsidies. + +To expect loans within the United States, presupposes an ability to +lend, which does not exist in any considerable number of the +inhabitants. The personal property, not immediately engaged, either in +commerce or the improvement of lands, was never very considerable. +Little as it was, it has been greatly diminished by the pernicious +effects of a depreciating medium. This expedient, which was adopted in +the beginning from necessity, and too pertinaciously adhered to in the +sequel, has not only exhausted the funds of those who might have been +willing to trust the United States, but it has so wounded our public +credit, that even the will would be wanting if the ability existed, +which as I said before, it really does not. + +While we have neither credit nor means at home, it is idle to expect +much from individuals abroad. Our foreign credit must be nurtured with +tenderness and attention before it can possess any great degree of +force, and it must be fed by substantial revenue, before we can call +it into active exertion or derive beneficial effects from its +application. + +All reasonable expectation, therefore, is narrowed down to the +friendly interposition of those sovereigns, who are associates in the +war. From Holland, we can properly ask nothing; nor is she, I believe, +in a capacity to grant it if we did ask. The active efforts of France +require all the resources of that great nation, and of consequence the +pecuniary aid which she affords us can but little advance the general +cause, however it may relieve our immediate distress. + +We must then turn our eyes to Spain, and we must ask either loans or +subsidies to a very considerable amount. Small sums are not worth the +acceptance. They have the air of obligation without affording relief. +A small sum, therefore, is not an object to the United States, for +they do not mean to beg gratuities, but to make rational requests. + +As Congress have empowered you to remove the obstacles, which have +hitherto impeded your negotiations, you will doubtless proceed with +prudent despatch in forming the important treaties, which are to be +the basis of our national connexion. Your own integrity, and the +dispositions which you certainly feel, as the true representative of +your Sovereign, to gratify the wishes of his Catholic Majesty, will +give you just claim to the confidence and friendly support of his +Ministers. And on the other hand, his Majesty's known piety and +justice, will certainly induce him to facilitate a permanent union +between the two countries, and to overturn that power, whose ambition +is known, felt, and detested, throughout the habitable globe. + +Having a perfect confidence in the wisdom of his Majesty's Ministers, +I must request that you will submit to their consideration the +reasons, which operate in favor of the advances we expect. In doing +this, it will immediately strike you and them, that the enemy carries +on the operations against us at an expense infinitely greater than +that by which they are opposed. By enabling us, therefore, to increase +our resistance, and redouble our offensive efforts, the British will +be reduced to the necessity of increasing their force in America, or +of submitting beneath a decided superiority. Either must be fatal to +them. In the first instance, they will be crushed by the weight of +expense; and, in the second, they must, while they lose an actual +force, and part forever with the object in contest, feel the increased +weight of the American arms, and make head against those resources, +applied to a marine, which are now consumed in land operations. + +Money ought, therefore, to be supplied to us from the Havana, which +will at the same time save the risk of transporting it to Europe, +while, as I have already observed, it must, when employed among us, +absolutely ruin the common enemy. For, when once they are driven from +the United States, they must, at a considerable expense, defend, or, +at a great loss, relinquish the rest of their American possessions; +and, in either case, the resources of this country will enable France +and Spain to carry on operations for the subjection of the British +Islands. + +With respect to our finance, I am further to observe, that the +resolutions of Congress, of the 18th of March, 1780, have neither been +so regularly adopted by the States as was hoped and expected, nor been +productive of those consequences, which were intended. It is +unnecessary to travel into the causes, or to explain the reasons of +this event. The fact is clear. The new money is depreciated, and there +is the strong evidence of experience to convince us, that the issuing +of paper, at present, must be ineffectual. Taxation has not yet been +pursued to that extent, which was necessary. Neither is it reasonable +to expect that it should. Time has been required under all governments +to accustom the people by degrees to bear heavy burdens. The people of +America have so patiently endured the various calamities of the war, +that there is good reason to expect they will not shrink at this late +hour from the imposition of just and equal taxes. But many +arrangements are necessary to this purpose, and, therefore, an +immediate pecuniary assistance is the more necessary to us. Our debts, +under which I comprise, as well those of the individual States, as +those of the Union, are but trifling, when we consider the exertions +which have been made. The debt I have already mentioned on +certificates is heavy, not from the real amount, but because it is +beyond what the supplies obtained were reasonably worth, and because +it impedes taxation and impairs its effects. But the amount of other +debts so small, that a few years of peace would bring it within the +bounds of a revenue very moderate, when compared with the wealth of +our country. You well know the rapid increase of that wealth, and how +soon it would relieve us from the weight of debts, which might be in +the first instance very burdensome. There can, therefore, be no doubt, +that we shall be able to pay all those, which it may be necessary to +contract. But, as I have already observed, our great difficulty is the +want of means in our people, and of credit in our government. + +It gives me, however, very great pleasure to inform you, that the +determined spirit of the country is by no means abated either by the +continuance of the war, the ravages of our enemy, the expense of blood +and treasure we have sustained, or the artifices, falsehoods, and +delusions of an insidious foe. These last become daily more and more +contemptible in America, and it appears equally astonishing, that they +should longer attempt them here, or boast the success of such attempts +in Europe. Uniform experience has shown the futility of their efforts, +and the falsehood of their assertions. I know they take the advantage +of every little success to vaunt the prowess of their troops and +proclaim hopes of conquest, which they do not feel. But those, who +know anything of our history or situation, must have the utmost +contempt for all these gasconades. It is impossible they should make +impression upon any but weak minds, and I should hardly have thought +of mentioning them, but I learn by letters from Spain, that men, who +are uninformed, have been led into misapprehensions from +circumstances, which were here considered as trivial and even +favorable. + +I could hardly have supposed that our enemies had still the folly to +repeat, as I am told they do, that there is an English party in +America. Bribes and deceit have induced some wicked and weak men to +join them; but when we consider the sums they have expended, and the +falsehoods they have used, our wonder is not, that they have got so +many, but that they have gained so few. The independence of America is +considered here as established; so much so, that even those of +equivocal character accustom themselves to cherish the idea; for the +doubt is not now, whether an acknowledgment of it will take place, but +when that acknowledgment will be made. Our exertions also, in the +present moment, are not so much directed to establish our liberties, +as to prevent the ravages of the enemy, abridge the duration and +calamities of the war, and faithfully contribute to the reduction of a +power, whose ambition was equally dangerous and offensive to every +other. + +All reasonings on this subject must be deeply enforced, by paying +attention to what has happened in the Southern States. The progress of +the enemy, while in appearance it menaced the conquest of that +extensive region, tended only, in effect, to exhaust him by fruitless +efforts, so that at length a handful of men have rescued the whole +from his possession. The attack on Virginia (if the piratical +incursions there can deserve that name) has been equally futile. The +commanders may indeed have enriched themselves by plunder, and many +worthy families have been distressed; but what is the consequence? +Indignation and resentment have stimulated even the weak and indolent +to action. The wavering are confirmed, and the firm are exasperated, +so that every hour, and by every operation, they create enemies, +instead of gaining subjects. + +Our armies, though not very numerous, are powerful. The regular troops +are so much improved in discipline and the habits of a military life, +that they are at least equal to any troops in the world. Our militia +are becoming more and more warlike, so as to supply the wants of +regular troops, when the enemy (taking advantage of that convenience, +which their ships afford them) transfer the scene of action from one +place to another. The number of the British diminishes daily, and of +consequence, our superiority becomes daily more decisive. The greatest +plenty of subsistence is to be had for our armies, and the prospects +from the present harvest are beyond all former experience. I wish I +could add, that clothing and military stores were as abundant as those +other requisites for war. This is not the case; our soldiers, indeed, +are well armed, and, in some degree, they are clothed. We have also +ammunition abundantly sufficient for the common operations of the +field. But many of our militia are unarmed, and the sieges, which will +be necessary to expel the enemy, must make a heavy deduction from our +military stores. + +The proposed siege of New York will soon be commenced, and would +undoubtedly be successful, if we could maintain a decided superiority +at sea. This must depend on contingencies, which are not in our power, +nor perhaps in the power of any human being. I am not without hopes, +even if we should not possess that superiority; but the expense will, +from the want of it, be very considerably enhanced, and this is a +circumstance which I cannot but deplore, for I repeat it again, the +want of money can alone prevent us from making the greatest +exertions. What our exertions have already been, our enemies +themselves must acknowledge, and while from insidious views, they +assert that they could not make an impression on us with ninety +thousand soldiers and seamen, we are certainly authorised to conclude +from this confession, that these States form a considerable balance in +the scale against them. + +I am now, therefore, again led to reiterate my request of a +considerable sum of money from Spain; for I also again repeat, that +small sums are not worth our acceptance, and I may add, they are +unworthy the dignity of his Catholic Majesty. There can be no doubt, +nor will the Spanish Ministry deny, that there is a considerable risk +in transporting their money from the new world to the old, besides, +that when expended there, it necessarily runs through the different +channels of commerce, to feed the wants and invigorate the forces of +the enemy. There is, therefore, a double policy in expending a part of +it here, where it can not only be brought with safety and despatch, +but be employed to an immense advantage, when compared with its +effects in Europe. If it be asked, what advantages Spain will derive +in particular during the war, and what recompense can be made her +after the peace? I answer, that the weakening more the common enemy by +a given sum, is in itself a great advantage, and that to do this, by +sparing the blood of Spanish subjects, is an advantage still greater. +I add, that when relieved from the enemy, we may assist her in the +reduction of the Floridas and Bahamas, and, perhaps, of Jamaica. We +shall then, also, be in a situation to secure Nova Scotia, thereby +depriving Great Britain of her principal resource for ship-timber, and +enable us to furnish that essential article to the navy of Spain, on +cheaper and better terms, than it can be had elsewhere. On this last +subject, I have further to observe, that there is hardly anything in +which the maritime power of Spain is so much interested; for if we do +not possess that country, it will be impracticable to furnish those +supplies of masts and spars, which both France and Spain may stand in +need of; so that, of consequence, their positive and absolute strength +at sea will be the less, while that of the enemy is positively and +absolutely greater. The comparative inferiority, therefore, will be +still more considerable. Nor is this all. A marine requires men, as +well as ships. The fisheries and collieries are two pillars, which +support the marine of Britain, so far forth as seamen are required. +But it is evident, that the fisheries could not long continue in her +hands, if she were deprived of Nova Scotia. Here again, we are also to +consider, that there is an immense difference between that patient +resistance, whose opposition must at length weary the enemy into +granting our independence, and those vigorous active operations, which +may wrest from them their present possessions. Money is necessary for +the latter, and I can say with confidence, that money alone is +necessary. + +But to return. The advantages which will flow to Spain at a peace, +from giving effectual aid to our finances now, will be, in the first +place, the common compensation of repayment, should his Catholic +Majesty prefer loans to subsidies. The having expelled the English +from the Bay of Mexico, and having, by that means, prevented the +contraband commerce, so destructive to his revenue, will be another +striking advantage, which cannot have escaped the penetration of his +Ministers. But this is not all. The opening a port in East Florida, on +the shores of the Atlantic, under proper regulations and +restrictions, would enable us to carry on a commerce very advantageous +to Spain, because we could furnish all such supplies of provisions, +&c. as their possessions might stand in need of, and in return, take +at port, cocoa, logwood, Nicaragua wood, and, indeed, any other +commodities, which his Catholic Majesty should find it for the +advantage of his dominions to permit the exportation of. Our commerce +with Spain is also, in itself, a very considerable object. At this +moment, we take from thence wine, oil, fruit, silk, cloth, &c. And +after the conclusion of the war, our remittances of wheat, corn, fish, +and naval stores, will be of very great consequence to the commerce of +that country. Another article of commerce will be the building of +ships, which can be had on cheaper and better terms here than +elsewhere; and there can be no doubt but that the construction of +ships in this country is equal, if not superior, to that in any other. +Even now, ships might be built on his Majesty's account, though by no +means so cheaply as in times of peace; besides that, as there is now +no seasoned timber in the country, such ships would not be durable, +and, therefore, it might, perhaps, be imprudent to get any more than +are immediately necessary. + +To all the other advantages, which would arise to his Catholic +Majesty, I may add, (although that is not so properly within my +department,) the security, which his dominions would derive from our +guarantee. This is an advantage, which must be the more evident from a +consideration of what might have happened, had this country continued +in union with Great Britain, and had Great Britain pursued those +schemes of universal empire, which the virtue and fortitude of America +first checked, and which it is the object of the present war to +frustrate. Our enemies do, I know, allege, that our weakness is unable +to withstand them, and that our force is dangerous to Spain. The +serious refutation of such absurd contradictions would involve an +absurdity. It may not, however, be improper to observe, that the +attention of this country, for a century past, has been, and for a +century to come, most probably will be, entirely turned to agriculture +and commerce. We must always, therefore, be useful neighbors, and +never dangerous, except to those who may have views of dominion. Spain +can never be in this predicament, though the British may and will. +Their solicitude, therefore, to inspire apprehensions of us is, and +ought to be, the strongest argument against entertaining them. But, if +this evident reasoning did not exist, still the conduct of Congress, +with regard to his Catholic Majesty, has been so just, and even +generous, not only in being willing to secure his rights, but to +gratify him by foregoing their own, that there is not room for the +shadow of suspicion. This conduct, I should suppose, would alone have +weight sufficient to procure what it is my object to request, if the +other very cogent and conclusive reasons for it did not apply. And, +after all, if it be considered how much greater is the interest of +Spain at the vigorous continuance of the present war, than that of any +other of the associates, I cannot permit myself one moment to doubt of +your success. I am the more sanguine from the character of the +Catholic King, and of his Ministers, for wisdom, candor, and +integrity. These qualities will, I am sure, meet such corresponding +dispositions in the United States, that the most thorough harmony and +coalition must inevitably take place. This is an object of the +greatest importance to both countries. Mutual benefits and the +reciprocation of good offices will endear a connexion between them, +and their interests require that this connexion should be of the +closest kind. + +In every point of view, therefore, that we can consider the subject, +the advance I have mentioned must appear alike beneficial. If the +Governor of Cuba, or any other person, were duly authorised, +stipulations might even now be entered into for furnishing all +necessary supplies of provisions to the fleets and armies of his +Catholic Majesty, which would certainly facilitate their operations. +The advance of money also by Spain would enable the fleets and troops +of France to subsist cheaper than at present, because it would tend to +raise the exchange here, which is now too low. + +Your own good sense will suggest to you many other most forcible +arguments, as well as the proper time and manner of applying them. It +is necessary to mention, that the sum of five million dollars may, +perhaps, be sufficient for our present emergencies; but if a greater +sum can be obtained, we shall thereby become more extensively useful. +Whatever the grant may be, it will be proper that it be sent hither in +some Spanish ships of war from the Havana, or advanced to us there; in +which latter case, we will devise the means of bringing it away. +Whether to ask for subsidies, or loans, as well as the terms on which +either are to be obtained, these, Sir, are objects, which you are +fully competent to determine upon. I have only to wish that your +applications may meet with that success, which I am confident you will +not fail to merit. As the means of facilitating your views, I shall +apply to the Minister of his Most Christian Majesty here, to write on +the same subject to the French Ambassador at Madrid. The generous +conduct of France gives just ground of reliance on her friendly +assistance; and you are too well convinced of this, not to act in the +most perfect harmony with the servants of that Court, especially on an +occasion so important as the present. I need not stimulate your +activity, by observing how precious is every moment of time in those +affairs, on which the fate of Empires depends; nor need I suggest the +importance of a treaty, and particularly a subsidiary treaty with +Spain, in that moment, when the judgment of Europe is to be passed on +the fate of America. For, however impracticable it may be to subdue +us, it is undoubtedly of moment to hasten the approach of that period, +when the acknowledgment of our independence shall give the blessings +of peace to so many contending nations. To spare the present lavish +effusion of blood and treasure, is a serious object with those, who +feel, as you do, the emotions of benevolence; and I am confident, that +the patriotism, which has inspired your conduct, will prompt you to +obtain a peace honorable for your country and advantageous to her +friends. The only probable method to effect these things, is a +thorough union of forces and resources, to reduce the pride and power +of that aspiring nation, whose ambition embroils the universe. + +With all possible respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, July 7th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +This will accompany my former letter of the 4th instant, which you +will perceive to be so written, as that it may be shown, if +necessary, to the Spanish Minister. You will make such use of it as +prudence may dictate. I would gladly now give you details of our +situation and plans for reforming it, but I have not yet sufficiently +obtained the one, nor matured the other. Whenever I am in capacity to +apprize you fully of these things, you shall hear from me at large on +the subject. At present I can only inform you that a sum of hard money +will, from particular circumstances, afford us relief and turn to our +advantage far beyond what might be supposed from the amount. Although +I have stated the demand at five millions, yet I beg you will take as +much as you can obtain, though it be far short of that sum. But at the +same time, I repeat, that a very small one is not worth the +acceptance. Knowing our wants to be great, you will judge properly as +to what we can accept consistently with our dignity. + +I enclose you a cypher, and with the duplicate of my letters I will +send you another. Should both arrive safe, you will be so kind as to +hand one to Mr Carmichael, letting me know which you keep and write +by. + +I have the honor to be your Excellency's most obedient and humble +servant, + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Office of Finance, July 9th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +Observing by your correspondence with Congress, that you are put to a +good deal of expense by American seamen arriving from captivity at +Cadiz, where they also grow very troublesome, I offer the following +proposal to your consideration. Authorise Mr Harrison, or whoever may +be your agent at Cadiz, to enter into contracts with such Americans as +present themselves for the bounty of their country, to proceed from +Cadiz, in such ship or vessel as he may provide for the purpose, for +such port within the United States as he may appoint, at the monthly +wages of six or eight Spanish dollars, to be paid as soon after their +arrival in America as the cargo of the vessel shall be landed. After +they sign such contract, he is to supply their wants sparingly, until +he collects a sufficient number to man a suitable vessel, which he may +procure either by charter or purchase, whichever may be in his power, +and shall appear most eligible at the time. If he charter, it should +be on such terms that the owners risk their vessel, putting in their +own master, and, if they choose it, part of the seamen. The vessel to +be loaded with salt for account and risk of the United States; freight +so much per bushel or so much per ton to America and back. But in that +case, let it be always a condition, that the vessel may be ordered +from the first place she arrives, to any one other port in America; +because, it may happen that she will arrive where there cannot be got +a cargo to load her back, or where the salt would be of no use. + +If your funds will admit of it, and vessels can be furnished cheap, +this would be the more eligible mode of doing the business, because I +could then either send the vessels back, or sell, as might suit best. +In case of purchase, they should be fast sailers, with good sails and +rigging, well found and fitted, and if armed, so much the better. +Honest, active, industrious, and faithful masters must be provided for +these vessels, and they must all come addressed to my order, directed +for this port, with liberty however to get into any safe port they +can. The master to give me immediate notice of his arrival, when I +shall give proper orders, or probably have them previously ready. An +account of the moneys advanced to each person on board these vessels, +as well as the cost and outfit of the ship and cost of the cargo, must +be sent me by each vessel, in order that proper deductions may be made +from the people, and proper credits be given for the costs. You will +observe, I am duly empowered by Congress to export and import for +account and risk of the United States; and I think this plan so likely +to benefit the public, that I very freely give my sanction to it, +provided you can find the money. Your agent must give me regular +advice of every expedition, and inform you also whenever he commences +them. When a ship is provided and a master appointed, all the men +should sign articles for the voyage in the common form. + +I am, Dear Sir, &c. + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, July 13th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +I enclose you in this packet the plan of a national bank, which I have +been induced to adopt for the following reasons. The issuing of a +large paper medium converted the coin of the country into a commodity, +so that much of it was exported and the remainder concealed. The +depreciation of our paper has so lessened our currency, that there is +not a sufficiency for commerce and taxation, without creating by the +latter such distress in the former, as must injure every order of men +in the community. It is necessary, therefore, to fill up the +deficiency in such proportion as it may be called, and with such +medium as may preserve its value. + +I have already in my letter of the 4th instant stated the want of +ability in the people to lend, and of credit in the government to +borrow. An additional reason, therefore, for establishing a bank is, +that the small sums advanced by the holders of bank stock may be +multiplied in the usual manner by means of their credit, so as to +increase the resource, which government can draw from it, and at the +same time, by placing the collected mass of private credit between the +lenders and borrowers, supply at once the want of ability in the one, +and of credit in the other. + +An additional reason for this institution is, to supply the place of +all our other paper, which it is my design to absorb as soon as +possible, and thereby to relieve the people from those doubts and +anxieties, which have weakened our efforts, relaxed our industry, and +impaired our wealth. But this must not be done, without the +substitution of other paper, for reasons which I have already +assigned, and because that our commerce would suffer for the want of +that facility in money transactions, which paper alone can give. + +Finally, one very strong motive, which has impelled my conduct on this +occasion, is to unite the several States more closely together, in one +general money connexion, and indissolubly to attach many powerful +individuals to the cause of our country, by the strong principle of +self-love, and the immediate sense of private interest. It may not be, +perhaps, improper to show and explain this plan to the Spanish +Ministry. They will then perceive how, by an advance of money, they +may in this instance increase our resources and our efforts in a +degree much superior to the immediate sum, and they may be assured, +that on a variety of other occasions, similar benefits will result +from it. I take this opportunity, however, to observe to you, that I +do not mean this, or any other communication, should be absolutely +made. It is, on the contrary, my unalterable opinion, that a prudent +Minister on the spot should be left to act with large discretionary +power, being always furnished with such details, as will enable him to +judge with propriety, and act with decision. + +It will undoubtedly strike your observation, that the sum of four +hundred thousand dollars is very small, considering the object which +it is my design to effect. I acknowledge that it is so, and when I +tell you, that I was very apprehensive that we should be unable to +fill a larger subscription, and when I add, that it is far from +certain we shall get all of this moderate sum, you will see still more +clearly the force of those observations which I have already made. But +it is weakness to be deterred by difficulties from a proper pursuit. I +am, therefore, determined that the bank shall be well supported, until +it can support itself, and then it will support us. I mean that the +stock, instead of four hundred thousand dollars, shall be four hundred +thousand pounds, and perhaps more. How soon it will rise to that +amount, it is impossible to foresee. But this we may venture to +assert, that if a considerable sum of specie can be speedily thrown +into it, the period when its force and utility will be felt and known +is not far off. + +After I had determined to make the application to the Court of Madrid, +which is contained in my letters, it was my next object to obtain for +you such support as might materially favor your operations. For this +purpose I have written to Dr Franklin, and have told him, that you +would receive by this conveyance, and forward to him, copies of those +resolutions and letters, which may be necessary to explain my +appointment and powers. I lay this task on your Secretaries, because +the want of clerks in my office, and the many things to be done, +together with the short time allowed me by the departure of the +vessel, prevent me from having duplicates made out. I have written to +the Doctor to apply to the Court of Versailles, to further your +negotiations with their influence. I am confident his application will +not be unsuccessful; but how you may derive most benefit from the +cooperation of the French Court, you best can tell. Major Franks, +therefore, is instructed to take your orders for Passy, and return +thence to Philadelphia; so that you will have an opportunity of +communicating fully with the Doctor on any subject you think proper. +You may write to me by any opportunity, if this should arrive safe, +because our cypher will prevent you from being exposed to interested +or impertinent curiosity. + +To obtain for you still further assistance, I have applied (in the +absence of M. de la Luzerne, who is gone to camp,) to M. de Marbois +for letters to their Ambassador at the Court of Madrid. I have stated +my views, my hopes, and wishes, with that candor which is proper on +such occasions, and which I wish to preserve on all occasions. M. de +Marbois has, in consequence, written a letter on the subject, in which +he informs the Ambassador of our conversation, states the disorders of +our finances, and makes polite mention of my operations, my designs, +and abilities, as well as the confidence reposed in me by Congress, +and by the people at large. He details the proposed plans, and +particularly that of the Bank, and shows forcibly the advantages, +which would result from a considerable advance of money by Spain. He +assigns also very proper reasons to show why it ought to be +considerable, if it be made at all. The great interest of France in +this business, as well as the open and candid manner, which has marked +all transactions I have hitherto had with the Minister of that nation, +induces me to believe that this letter is more than a compliment, and +that as it is intended, so it will operate to produce the desired +effect. + +That nothing in my power might be wanting to the success of a +business, which you must be convinced I have very much at heart, I +have also applied to Don Francisco Rendon, who at present acts here +for Spain, and I have every reason to believe that he will write to +the Spanish Court such a letter as I wish. But after all, much, my +Dear Sir, must depend on your prudence, your activity, and your +attentions to incline, to stimulate, to lead the Ministry into our +views, to remove the obstacles, surmount the difficulties, and crush +the procrastinations, which retard the completion of an object so +essential to your country. I am happy to add, that I have the utmost +confidence in your abilities, your industry, and integrity. + +There is a possibility that money may be obtained from Portugal, and +though I confess there is not a very solid ground to build on, and +though it must be owned that appearances are against us, yet I think +it best not too much to trust appearances, either favorable or +unfavorable, and to leave nothing unattempted which may be useful. It +was for reasons of this sort that my letter of the 9th instant, which +I enclose you a copy of, was written to Congress. In consequence of +it, on the 11th they passed a resolution, of which I also enclose you +a copy, and have only to add, that you will act entirely according to +your own discretion on this occasion. I cannot pretend to know the +situation of the Court of Lisbon, and therefore I will not attempt to +measure out a line of conduct to be pursued there. You are, for every +reason, more competent to this business than I am, and therefore I +submit it to your management entirely. + +You will observe that a material part of my letter of the 9th remains +unnoticed by Congress. The Committee had not yesterday reported upon +it. Should anything be done previous to the departure of this vessel, +you shall know it. But you are so well acquainted with the delays +incident to public assemblies, that you will not be surprised if you +hear nothing further on the subject. + +It is unnecessary for me to make any other mention of Major Franks, +except to inform you, that after a critical examination into his +conduct by a court of inquiry, he was honorably acquitted of all +improper connexion with his late General.[29] For the rest, you are +perfectly acquainted with him, and will therefore take that notice of +him which he deserves. + +I am, Dear Sir, your most obedient and humble servant, + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[29] Major Franks was Aid to General Arnold at the time his treachery +was discovered, but he was honorably acquitted from all suspicion of +having any knowledge of Arnold's designs. + + * * * * * + + _Plan of a Bank, referred to in the preceding Letter._ + + 1. That a subscription be opened for four hundred thousand + dollars, in shares of four hundred dollars each, to be paid + in gold or silver. + + 2. That the subscription be paid into the hands of George + Clymer and John Nixon, or their agents. + + 3. That any subscriber of less than five shares, pay the + whole sum on the day of his subscription. + + 4. That every subscriber of five shares or upwards, pay one + half the sum on the day of his subscription, and the other + half within three months of that day. + + 5. That every holder of a share shall be entitled to vote by + himself, his agent, or proxy, properly appointed, at all + elections for directors, and that he have as many votes as he + holds shares. And that every subscriber may sell and transfer + his share or shares at his pleasure, the transfer being made + in the bank book, in presence and with the approbation of the + proprietor or his lawful attorney, the purchaser then to + become entitled to the right of voting, &c. + + 6. That there be twelve directors chosen from among those + entitled to vote, who at this first meeting shall choose one + as president. + + 7. That there be a meeting of the directors quarterly, for + the purpose of regulating the affairs of the bank; any seven + of the directors to make a board, and that the board have + power to adjourn from time to time. + + 8. That the board of directors determine the manner of doing + business, and the rules and forms to be pursued, appoint the + various officers, which they may find necessary, and dispose + of the money and credit of the bank for the interest and + benefit of the proprietors, and make from time to time such + dividends out of the profits as they may think proper. + + 9. That the board be empowered from time to time, to open new + subscriptions, for the purpose of increasing the capital of + the bank on such terms and conditions as they shall think + proper. + + 10. That the board shall, at every quarterly meeting, choose + two directors to inspect and control the business of the bank + for the ensuing three months. + + 11. That the inspectors so chosen shall, on the evening of + every day, Sundays excepted, deliver to the superintendent of + the finances of America, a state of the cash account, and of + the notes issued and received. + + 12. That the bank notes, payable on demand, shall by law be + made receivable in the duties and taxes of every State in the + union, and from the respective States, by the Treasury of the + United States, as specie. + + 13. That the superintendent of the finances of America shall + have a right at all times to examine into the affairs of the + bank, and for that purpose shall have access to all the books + and papers. + + 14. That any director or officer of the bank, who shall + convert any of the property, monies, or credits thereof to + his own use, or shall any other way be guilty of fraud or + embezzlement, shall forfeit all his share or stock to the + company. + + 15. That laws shall be passed making it felony, without + benefit of clergy, to commit such fraud or embezzlement. + + 16. That the subscribers shall be incorporated under the name + of the President, Directors and Company of the Bank of North + America. + + 17. That none of the directors shall be entitled to any + pecuniary advantage for his attendance on the duties of his + office of director, or as president, or inspector, unless an + alteration in this respect shall hereafter be made by the + consent of a majority of the stockholders at a general + election. + + 18. That as soon as the subscription shall be filled, Mr + George Clymer and Mr John Nixon shall publish a list of the + names and sums respectively subscribed, with the places of + abode of the subscribers, and appoint a day for the choice of + directors, to whom, when chosen, they shall deliver over the + money by them received. + + + _Observations on the above Plan._ + +ART. 1st. The objects and use of a bank are too obvious to need +illustration. But it may not be amiss to take notice, that the first +moment of its getting into action, the credit arising from its funds +can be made use of by the government of the United States in +anticipation of taxes, in consequence of special agreements to be made +between their superintendent of Finance and the directors for that +purpose; and as the capital and credit of the bank increase, so may +this mode of anticipation be increased, to answer all the purposes of +government. It is, however, evident at the first view, that four +hundred thousand dollars are not sufficient for those purposes, nor +those of private commerce, because no considerable circulation of +paper can be founded on so narrow a basis; yet it is dangerous to +attempt more. It is not possible to determine what is the highest sum, +that could speedily be obtained by subscription. To ask more than +could be obtained would have a fatal effect; to ask less is a partial +evil. It is, however, an evil which admits of a remedy, as is +provided in the plan. + +ART. 2d. Before the corporation is formed, and much more so before the +subscription is opened, by which the company is to be determined, no +authority can be bestowed under the corporation. At the same time, it +must be remembered, that in circumstances like ours, the loss of time +involves in it the loss of many advantages. It becomes necessary, +therefore, to appoint individuals to manage the subscription and +receive the money. Mr Clymer and Mr Nixon having been formerly +directors of the Bank of Pennsylvania, and being thereby generally +known in that line, their names naturally present themselves for this +purpose. + +ART. 3d & 4th. The difference as to payments of large and small, is so +common an incitement to subscribers, on such occasions, as to speak +for itself. + +ART. 5th. The subscribers, it is expected, will consist of citizens of +every State in the Union; and, possibly, foreigners may subscribe or +purchase bank stock; therefore the necessity and propriety of enabling +them to vote by proxy; and this being a monied institution, it is just +that every share be entitled to a vote. + +ART. 6th. As the stockholders will mostly be absent from the place +where the bank is kept, the number of twelve seems quite sufficient +for the direction, as they will generally be chosen from the +residents, and there ought to be room left for rotation among these. + +ART. 7th & 8th. This plan, if adopted, will be considered as the +constitution of the Bank, and therefore necessary to establish in it +the powers of government by by-laws, rules, and regulations, and +making dividends out of the profits; it is meant that they should +annually pay a dividend of five or six per cent to the proprietors of +the stock, and then settling the accounts of the bank, declare +publicly, if necessary to give credit and confidence, what capital +remains after such dividend. It will be observed, that such dividends +are confined to be made out of the profits; consequently, the capitals +can never be touched. + +ART. 9th. When the directors, by paying a dividend out of the profits, +establish the credit of the bank firmly in the minds of the +stockholders, and by declaring the capital stock at the same time to +be increased, give it equal confidence in the general opinion, there +is little doubt but they may open new subscriptions for increasing the +capital with certainty of success. + +ART. 10th, 11th & 12th. As credit is the soul of all operations of +this kind, every precaution should be taken to support it. In the +course of things, much of the private property of America may be +dependent on the conduct of affairs at the bank. Care, therefore, +should be taken to prevent fraud and mismanagement. If the +transactions were opened to public inspection, it would be impossible +to do the business amidst the continued interruption; besides that, in +this way, the national enemies would be apprized of our resources and +operations. It is necessary, therefore, by instituting a check, to +guard against the ill consequences which lie in the way, as the public +will have much connexion with the bank, and, at times, deposit +considerable sums of money in it, and always be availing themselves of +its credit. The check should be in the hands of that officer who is +appointed to manage the monied interests of America. + +ART. 13th & 14th. The penalties on fraud and embezzlement are derived +from the same source, and are supported by the same reasoning. + +ART. 15th & 16th. The necessity of incorporating the bank is obvious, +and the propriety of rendering the office of a director honorable, +rather than lucrative, arises from this circumstance, over and above +the difference between motives of fame and interest, that at present, +any adequate salaries would absorb the profits, and in future the care +of their own interests as stockholders will be an additional +inducement to the first characters to accept the direction, for it is +not doubted but every subscriber will increase his capital in the +bank, so soon as he finds not only the national advantages it will +produce, but sees clearly his private interest advanced beyond his +most sanguine expectations. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Office of Finance, August 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Enclosed you have a list of sundry bills of exchange drawn on you. I +wrote you relatively to these bills on the 29th day of July last, with +sundry enclosures explanatory of my letter. I am now to inform you, +that the advices contained in that letter must, from particular +circumstances, be totally disregarded. Should any of the bills, +mentioned in the enclosed list, come to your hands, you will be pleased +to protest them, and assign, if you please, as a reason therefor, that +you have express instructions to that purport. The uncertainty, +whether you have received my cypher, prevents my using it on this +occasion. The importance of the subject obliges me to write, and as I +send many copies, the risk of capture and inspection is too great to +be more particular. + +The gazettes will furnish you with our latest intelligence. That of +New York announces the arrival of near three thousand Hessian troops, +and the capture of the Trumbull frigate. Neither of these is a very +agreeable circumstance. However, we must wait the course of events, +and struggle, as well as we can, against adverse fortune. Our affairs +to the southward wear no unpleasing aspect. And, although it is +impossible, at this distance, to determine what effect European +movements may have on American politics, our government acquires daily +a firmness and stability, which will not easily be shaken. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + JAMES LOVELL TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, August 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Herewith you will receive according to the resolution of Congress of +the 10th, such information relative to the surrender of Pensacola, and +the subsequent arrival of the garrison at New York, as I have been +able to obtain, which you will make use of according to your +discretion, and the spirit of the enclosed resolution. + +I am, Sir, your friend and very humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL. + +_P. S. August 16th._--It appears to me not amiss to enclose to you a +report of a committee on the 10th, as it stands negatived on the +journals of Congress. J. L. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Ildefonso, September 20th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Your Excellency's favor of the 5th of July last, with the papers +therewith enclosed, were delivered to me on the 29th ult. by Major +Franks, whom the procrastination of the Minister still obliges me to +detain. + +The new commissions, with which Congress have honored me, argue a +degree of confidence, which demands my warmest acknowledgments, and +which, so far as it may be founded on an opinion of my zeal and +integrity, they may be assured will not prove misplaced. + +At the commencement of the present troubles, I determined to devote +myself, during the continuance of them, to the service of my country, +in any station in which she might think it proper to place me. This +resolution, for the first time, now embarrasses me. I know it to be my +duty, as a public servant, to be guided by my own judgment only in +matters referred to my discretion, and in other cases faithfully to +execute my instructions, without questioning the policy of them. But +there is one among those which accompanies these commissions, which +occasions sensations I never before experienced, and induced me to +wish that my name had been omitted. + +So far as personal pride and reluctance to humiliation may render +their appointment contra-agreeable, I view it as a very unimportant +circumstance, and should Congress, on any occasion, think it for the +public good to place me in a station inferior and subordinate to the +one I now hold, they will find me ready to descend from the one, and +cheerfully undertake the duties of the other. My ambition will always +be more gratified in being useful than conspicuous; for, in my +opinion, the solid dignity of a man depends less on the height or +extent of the sphere allotted to him, than on the manner in which he +may fulfil the duties of it. + +But, Sir, as an American, I feel an interest in the dignity of my +country, which renders it difficult for me to reconcile myself to the +idea of the sovereign independent States of America submitting, in the +persons of their Ministers, to be absolutely governed by the advice +and opinions of the servants of another sovereign, especially in a +case of such national importance. + +That gratitude and confidence are due to our allies, is not to be +questioned, and that it will, probably, be in the power of France +almost to dictate the terms of peace for us, is but too true. That +such an extraordinary extent of confidence may stimulate our allies to +the highest efforts of generous friendship in our favor is not to be +denied, and that this instruction receives some appearance of policy +from this consideration may be admitted. + +I must, nevertheless, take the liberty of observing, that however our +situation may in the opinion of Congress render it necessary to relax +their demands on every side, and even to direct their Commissioners +ultimately to concur (if nothing better could be done) in any peace or +truce not subversive of our independence, which France determined to +accede to, yet that this instruction, besides breathing a degree of +complacency not quite republican, puts it out of the power of your +Ministers to improve those chances and opportunities, which in the +course of human affairs happens more or less frequently to all men. +Nor is it clear, that America, thus casting herself into the arms of +the King of France, will advance either her interest or reputation +with that or other nations. + +What the sentiments of my colleagues on this occasion may be, I do not +as yet know, nor can I foresee how far the negotiation of the ensuing +winter may call for the execution of this commission. Thus +circumstanced, at such a distance from America, it would not be proper +to decline this appointment. I will, therefore, do my best endeavors +to fulfil the expectations of Congress on this subject, but, as for my +own part, I think it improbable, that serious negotiations for peace +will soon take place. I must entreat Congress to take an early +opportunity of relieving me from a station, wherein, in character of +their Minister, I must necessarily receive (and almost under the name +of opinions) the directions of those on whom I really think no +American Minister ought to be dependent, and to whom, in love for our +country and zeal for her service, I am sure that my colleagues and +myself are at least equal. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +_P. S._ I had an interview last evening with the Minister. Nothing was +promised or denied. A person is to be named on Sunday to confer in +earnest, as it is said, with me about the treaties. I do not despair, +though having so many bills to pay, and no money, perplexes me +extremely. The treasury of Spain is very low; much of the money for +the expenses in this war costs them between thirty and forty per +hundred, by mismanagement and want of credit. This ought not to be +public. His Excellency still looks at your ships on the stocks, but I +shall, without refusing, not consent to their changing masters. J. J. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Ildefonso, October 3d, 1781. + + Sir, + +My letter of the 25th of April last, by Mr Toscan, informed Congress, +that on the 30th day of January preceding, I had the honor of +receiving their letters of the 6th and 17th of October, 1780, the +latter of which states particularly and ably the right of the United +States to the free navigation of the river Mississippi, and enumerates +the various reasons which induce them to decline relinquishing +it.[30] + +Among these reasons is the guarantee contained in the treaty with +France. I hinted to Congress, that it was more than probable, that the +contents of this interesting letter were well known to the French +Court before it came to my hands. I am well persuaded, that this was +the case. Shortly after receiving it, I took occasion to converse +generally with the Ambassador on the subject of the Spanish +pretensions to that navigation, and remarked, as it were +inadvertently, how unreasonable it was for them to expect, that we +should relinquish a territorial right, which both justice and the +guarantee of France enabled us to retain. The thought did not appear +new to him, but he strongly combated this construction of the treaty, +and endeavored to explain it away by observing, that the guarantee +could not comprehend claims, whose objects we had never possessed, &c. +&c. I mention this only to show how improper it would have been for me +to have communicated this part of your Excellency's letter to the +Spanish Minister. It could have answered no good purpose, because, as +France would have disputed this construction, Spain could with +propriety have refused to admit the force of any argument drawn from +it, and it might have done much mischief, not only by bringing on an +unseasonable explanation between France and us, but also between Spain +and France. + +If I had given the Spanish Minister a copy of every other part of this +letter, except those paragraphs which contain the reasoning in +question, the omission might in future have been urged by France, who +I verily believe has a copy of that whole letter, as an argument for +my having yielded that point as not tenable; and though my opinion +might not be of much consequence, it appeared to me most prudent to +avoid doubts about it. For my own part I really did, and do think, +that this guarantee does comprehend the navigation in question, though +I also think, that no question should be raised about it at present. +So circumstanced, I thought it most advisable to make no written +communications of any parts or part of this letter, but from time to +time to press every argument contained in it in the course of +conversations with the Spanish Minister, except those drawn from the +guarantee. + +The Minister, however, did not at any time enter into the merits of +these arguments, nor appear in the least affected by them. His answer +to them all was, that the King of Spain must have the Gulf of Mexico +to himself, that the maxims of policy adopted in the management of +their colonies required it; and that he had hoped the friendly +disposition shown by this Court towards us would have induced a +compliance on the part of Congress. + +As to a free port below the northern limits of West Florida, or +anywhere else in the vicinity, the Minister sometimes wished certain +regulations, some middle line might be devised, to reconcile the views +of both parties, but he did not see how it could be done. The King had +always been accustomed to consider the exclusive navigation of the +Gulf of Mexico as a very important object to Spain, more so indeed +than even Gibraltar, and he was persuaded, that his Majesty would +never be prevailed upon to change his ideas on that subject. At other +times he spoke clearly, and decidedly against it, saying, that it was +their desire to exclude all nations from the Gulf, and that it made +little or no difference, whether they admitted all nations or only +one. + +In my letter of the 25th of April last, I informed your Excellency, +that on the 25th of March preceding, the Minister sent me word, that +the money necessary to pay the bills due in April could not be +advanced to me. The constant inconsistency I experienced between the +Minister's promises and conduct often surprised, as well as +embarrassed me. This last instance appeared to me to be really cruel; +for if he had intended to withhold the necessary supplies, he ought to +have given me notice of it, and not by keeping up my expectations to +within a few days before the holders of the bills were to call upon me +for their money, (and the bills of April amounted to eightynine +thousand and eightythree dollars,) reduce me to such imminent danger +of being obliged to protest them. Speaking on this subject with the +French Ambassador, he intimated, that the Court expected I should have +made them some further overtures respecting the Mississippi. I told +him I had no authority to make any others than what I had already +made. He replied, that the Minister believed I had. At that time I +had received no letters, public or private, which gave me the least +reason to suspect, that Congress had passed the resolution of the 15th +of February last,[31] and it was not before the 18th of May, that a +letter, I then received from Mr Lovell, enabled me to understand the +reason of the Minister's belief. I then recalled to mind his frequent +assurances of frankness, and of his speaking without reserve, often +adding, that he was well informed of our affairs, and had minute +information of what was passing at Philadelphia. There can be no doubt +but that some copies of the President's letters to me have fallen into +his hands, and that he supposed I had received others, though this was +not in fact the case. Hence it appears, that the double miscarriage, +if I may so call it, of these letters, had an unfavorable influence on +our hopes of pecuniary aids, for it is highly probable, that in this +instance they were so critically withheld on purpose to extort +overtures from me, which the Minister, though mistaken, had reason to +believe I was in a capacity to make. + +Your Excellency will perceive from this, how important it is, that +your letters, to and from your Ministers, be transmitted in a manner +not subject to these inconveniences. + +It was not, as I said before, until the 18th of May, that Mr Lovell's +letter, enclosing a copy of the resolution of Congress of the 15th of +February, reached me. It was brought to Cadiz by the Virginia, and it +is remarkable, that none of the journals, or gazettes, nor the letter +from Congress, which Mr Lovell gave me reason to expect, ever came to +my hands. But as all the papers brought by the Virginia passed through +the hands of the Governor of Cadiz, and afterwards through the Post +Office, the suppression of some of them may be easily accounted for. + +As Mr Lovell's letter did not appear to be official, nor the copy of +the instruction of the 15th of February authenticated, I was much at a +loss to determine how far it was to be considered as a measure finally +concluded upon, and this difficulty was increased by another, viz. +whether my having no letter on the subject from the President was to +be imputed to the miscarriage of it, or to a reconsideration of the +instruction in question; for I recollected, that resolutions had in +some former instances been reconsidered, and either altered or +repealed a few days after their date; for these reasons it appeared to +me imprudent immediately to hazard overtures on the ground of this +instruction. + +The next day, the 19th of May, I thought it expedient to wait upon the +Minister, and again renew the subject of our proposed treaty, +expecting that if he was acquainted with the contents of my letter, +something might drop from him in the course of conversation, which +would lead me to judge of what he might, or might not know on that +subject, and others connected with it. + +He received me with more than usual cordiality. The conversation +turned at first on the situation of the southern States, the late +combat between the fleets in the Chesapeake, and General Greene's +retreat. He appeared to apprehend much danger from what he called the +delicate situation of our army there, and the blockade of the +reinforcement intended for it, under the Marquis de la Fayette. I +endeavored to remove such of his fears as appeared to be ill-founded, +and (though without leaving room to suppose that the operations of +Spain were indispensable to our safety,) represented to him the good +policy and probable success of France and Spain's seriously turning +their attention and force to the expulsion of the enemy from America. +I then repeated what I had often before remarked to him, respecting +the influence which the hesitations and delays of Spain in forming a +treaty with us must naturally have on the hopes and fears of Britain. +I announced to him formally the completion of our confederation by the +accession of Maryland, and after dwelling on the advantages, which the +States and their allies might expect from it, I endeavored to impress +him with an opinion, that a cordial union between France, Spain, +Holland, and America, supported by vigorous measures, would soon +reduce the enemy to the necessity of listening to reasonable terms of +peace. + +The Count replied, generally, that he was very minutely informed of +the state of our affairs. That the good dispositions of Congress +towards Spain had not as yet been evinced in a manner the King +expected, and that no one advantage had hitherto been proposed by +America to Spain, to induce the latter to come into the measures we +desired. That the views of Congress were such as would not permit his +Majesty to form a treaty with the States, but that the King was an +honest man, and I might again and again assure Congress, that he would +never suffer them to be sacrificed to Britain, but on the contrary +would with constancy maintain the friendship he had professed for +them. That Britain had in vain attempted to deceive Spain; that Mr +Cumberland had been sent here for that express purpose, but that, +however possible it might be for Britain to vanquish, she would never +be able to deceive Spain; that he wished Congress had been more +disposed to oblige the King. He knew indeed that opposition in +sentiments must necessarily prevail in public bodies, but that he +hoped for the best. That I ought to preach to them forcibly, for that +he thought a good preacher (_un bon prédicateur_,) would do much good, +thereby intimating, as I understood it, that Congress were not +sufficiently apprised of the importance of Spain, and the policy of +complying with her demands. + +To all this I briefly remarked, that his Excellency's knowledge of +American affairs must convince him, that it was not in their power to +give his Majesty other proofs of their attachment than what they had +already done, and that if he alluded to the affair of the Mississippi, +I could only add one remark to those which I had often made to him on +that head, viz. that even if a desire of gratifying his Majesty should +ever incline Congress to yield to him a point so essential to their +interest, yet it still remained a question whether new delays and +obstacles to a treaty would not arise to postpone it. + +The Count smiled, said he always spoke frankly, and that whenever I +should announce to him my having authority to yield that point, I +might depend on his being explicit, and candid, but as matters stood +at present, he could say nothing on that head. He then informed me, +that M. Gardoqui would set out for America the beginning of June. He +said it might be in my power to furnish some useful hints and +observations relative to the objects and conduct of his mission, +adding that he reposed full confidence in me, and wished that I would +also consider whether there were any particular reasons which might +render it advisable, either to hasten or retard his going. + +I suspected there was too much meaning in all this to admit of my +entering into these discussions without time for further reflection; +and, therefore, without seeming to avoid it, I told the Count I was +happy to hear, that M. Gardoqui was so near his departure. That I +considered myself much honored by his requesting my remarks relative +to it, and that I was sure Congress would draw agreeable conclusions +from his mission. That I should write by him to Congress, and as they +would expect to learn from me the precise character in which they were +to receive, and consider him, it became necessary, that his Excellency +should favor me with that information, as well to enable me to +transmit the proper advices to Congress, as to make the remarks which +he had done me the honor to request. That I conceived this to be the +more indispensable, because if M. Gardoqui should carry no public +testimonials from this Court to Congress, he could only be considered +by them as a private gentleman, and all his intercourse with Congress +would of consequence be subjected to all the inconveniences resulting +from it. + +This topic carried the conversation off the delicate ground to which +the Count had led it. He admitted the propriety of my being exactly +apprized of the nature of M. Gardoqui's commission, said that as yet +it was not decided, and therefore for the present could only give me +his opinion of what it would probably be. + +He observed that circumstances did not render it proper, that he +should go as Minister, though perhaps it might he proper to give him +contingent powers. That it was the common practice, where Courts sent +to each other persons charged with their affairs, in a character below +that of Minister, to give no other credentials than a letter of +advice from the Minister of the Court sending to the Minister of the +Court receiving the person in question. That the same practice was +about to be pursued by Spain towards Prussia, and had been observed in +other instances; therefore, he believed the like method would be +adopted in this case. That if it should be purposed to give M. +Gardoqui a letter authenticating his being an agent of Spain, it would +be either to the President, or the Secretary of Congress, and asked me +which of the two would be the most proper. + +Whether he really was uninformed on this point, or whether he asked +the question merely to try my candor, cannot easily be determined. I +told him honestly, that Congress had no Secretary or Minister of State +for general purposes, nor for foreign affairs particularly, and that +neither the President nor Secretary of Congress could regularly be +considered in that light. That there was a committee of Congress, +whose appointment came near to that of Secretary for foreign affairs, +but that I had heard Congress were about establishing a more proper +and regular mode of conducting the affairs committed to that +committee, and had perhaps already done it. That therefore it was +difficult for me to give his Excellency a clear and decided opinion on +the subject, and the more so as the letters which I daily expected to +receive from the President, and which probably contained exact +information relative to this very matter, had not yet come to my +hands. He seemed very well satisfied, and extended his civilities so +far as to say, that if at any time the warmth of his temper had led +him into any harshness of expression, he hoped I would forget it. I +told him, and that was the fact, that I did not recollect any part of +his behavior to me, which required that apology. He desired me to wait +upon him again on the Wednesday next. + +As to the instructions of the 15th of February, I had every reason to +wish it had been a secret to the Ministry. The propriety of them is a +subject without my province. To give decided opinions of the views and +designs of Courts always appeared to me hazardous, especially as they +often change, and as different men will often draw different +conclusions from the same facts. This consideration has constantly +induced me to state facts accurately and minutely to Congress, and +leave them to judge for themselves, and be influenced only by their +own opinions. + +I could not forbear, however, seeing the danger to which the proviso +contained in that instruction exposed me. I have no reason to flatter +myself, that, more fortunate than others, the propriety and policy of +my conduct will not be drawn, at least impliedly, into doubt. If I +should, on a persuasion that this cession would be unalterably +insisted upon by Spain, yield that point, I am certain that many +little half-created doubts and questions would be cast into, and +cultivated in America. If, on the other hand, I should be of opinion +that this point could be gained, and the event prove otherwise, it +would soon be whispered, what rich supplies and golden opportunities +the United States had lost by my obstinacy. + +I permitted my mind to dwell on these considerations, merely that I +might, by the utmost degree of circumspection, endeavor to render the +uprightness and propriety of my conduct as evident as possible. + +My only difficulty arose from this single question. Whether I could +prudently risk acting on a presumption, either that Spain did not +already, or would not soon be acquainted with the contents of this +instruction. If such a presumption had been admissible, I should, +without the least hesitation, have played the game a little further, +keeping this instruction in my hand as a trump card, to prevent a +separate peace between Spain and Britain, in case such an event should +otherwise prove inevitable. Had Spain been at peace with our enemies, +and offered to acknowledge, guaranty, and fight for our independence, +provided we would yield them this point, (as once seemed to be the +case) I should, for my own part, have no more hesitation about it now +than I had then. But Spain being now at war with Great Britain, to +gain her own objects, she doubtless will prosecute it full as +vigorously as if she fought for our objects. There was and is little +reason to suppose that such a cession would render her exertions more +vigorous, or her aids to us much more liberal. The effect, which an +alliance between Spain and America would have on Britain and other +nations, would certainly be in our favor, but whether more so than the +free navigation of the Mississippi is less certain. The cession of +this navigation will, in my opinion, render a future war with Spain +unavoidable, and I shall look upon my subscribing to the one as fixing +the certainty of the other. + +I say I should have played this game a little further, if the +presumption before mentioned had been admissible, because it has +uniformly been my opinion, that if after sending me here Congress had +constantly avoided all questions about the Mississippi, and appeared +to consider that point as irrevocable, Spain would have endeavored to +purchase it by money, or a free port, but as her hopes of a change in +the opinion of Congress were excited, and kept alive by successive +accounts of debates, and intended debates on that question, and as +Congress by drawing bills without previous funds had painted their +distress for want of money in very strong colors, Spain began to +consider America as a petitioner, and treated her accordingly. But as +by the intervention of Dr Franklin, our bills for near six months were +safe, and as after this resolution of the 15th of February, there was +reason to expect that the subject of it would not soon be resumed in +Congress, I should, in case I could have depended on this +instruction's being and remaining a secret, have thought it my duty to +have given the United States a fair trial for the Mississippi, or at +least for a free port near it. With this view I should have appeared +to give myself no concern about the bills, applied for no aids, made +no offers, and on all proper occasion have treated an alliance with +Spain as an event, which, though wished for by us, was not essential +to our safety, and as the price demanded for it appeared to us +unreasonable, it was not probable we should agree. I think we should +then have been courted in our turn, especially as the Minister was +very desirous of having our men-of-war on the stocks, and that thus +dealing with them on terms of equality, would have produced some +concessions on their part, as inducements to greater ones on ours. I +am persuaded in my own mind, that prudent self-respect is absolutely +necessary to those nations, who would wish to be treated properly by +this Court, and I have not the least doubt but that almost any spirit +will prosper more here, than that of humility and compliance. I had no +doubt but that this plan of conduct would have been perfectly +consistent with that part of the instruction, which orders me to make +every possible effort to obtain from his Catholic Majesty the use of +the river aforesaid, &c. For whatever might have been, or may be, my +private sentiments, they shall never in mere questions of policy +influence me to deviate from those of Congress. + +But on the other hand there being abundant circumstantial evidence to +induce a firm persuasion, that the Ministry were well acquainted with +the contents of this instruction, this plan would have been idle. The +moment they saw that the cession of this navigation was made to depend +upon their persevering to insist upon it, it became absurd to suppose, +that they would cease to persevere. All that remained for me therefore +to do was, in the next conference to break this subject as decently as +possible, and in such a manner as would account for my not having +mentioned this instruction at our last meeting. + +On Wednesday evening, the 23d of May, I waited upon the Count +agreeably to his appointment. The Count seemed a little hurried in his +spirits, and behaved as if he wished I had not come. He asked me +rather abruptly, if I had anything particular to communicate to him, +and whether I had received any further letters. I told him I had +received some private ones from L'Orient, but that none from the +President of Congress had as yet, reached me, though I had reason to +expect one by that opportunity, as well as by the vessel lately +arrived at Cadiz. I informed him of my having received from Mr +Harrison a copy of his memorial to the Governor of Cadiz, complaining +that letters brought for him by the Virginia, from Philadelphia, had +been stopped at the gates, on pretence, that they must agreeably to an +ordinance for that purpose be put into the post office, and charged +with the like postage as if brought from Spanish America. He said he +had not yet received a copy of the memorial, but that there was such +an ordinance, and that it was highly proper the admission of letters +into the kingdom, especially in time of war, should be under the +direction of government. That letters from North America rendered new +regulations necessary, and that he would turn his thoughts to this +subject, and do what should appear equitable. This was another proof +of what I before suspected, and looked like an indirect apology for +opening my letters. + +It surprised me a little that he said nothing of the remarks he had +desired me to make on M. Gardoqui's going to America, especially as he +had appointed this meeting for that purpose. To give him further time, +I started a new subject, and begged he would take the earliest +opportunity of completing the business of the Dover cutter. +Notwithstanding all that had before passed between us about this +affair, he affected to be very ignorant of it, and asked me a number +of questions. I recapitulated the circumstances of the capture, my +several applications to him on the subject, his promise finally to +order the prize to be appraised, and the value to be paid to the +captors, the arrival of one of them at Madrid, &c. &c. He replied, +with some degree of quickness and perplexity, that it was not a lawful +prize, the crew not having authority to do what they did; that he had +sent to the Canaries for particular information respecting the value, +&c. that two of the packet boats had been taken; that he would pay +some gratuity to the captors, and wished I would give him another +state of the whole case in writing, to refresh his memory, which I +promised to do, and have since done. + +He then resumed the subject of the letter, which I expected from +Congress. He expressed his regret at its not having arrived, said he +was preparing instructions for M. Gardoqui, who would certainly depart +in June, and that until I could give him precise information of the +dispositions of Congress, he could not enter into any further +conversations on the subject of the proposed treaty. I joined in +regretting the miscarriage of my public letter, and the more so, as my +private ones gave me reason to expect instructions, which would enable +me to comply so far with his Majesty's views, as that I hoped no +further delays would intervene to prevent a perfect union between +Spain and the United States. That my correspondence had given me to +understand that Congress viewed the speedy accomplishment of this +union as very important to the common cause; and, therefore, if Spain +would consent forthwith to come into it, in that case they would +gratify his Majesty by ceding to him the navigation of the +Mississippi, below their territories, on reasonable terms. + +He replied, that he earnestly desired to see all difficulties on this +point removed, but that the treaties subsisting between Spain and +other nations, as well as the particular policy and determination of +Spain, rendered it necessary that she should possess the exclusive +navigation of the Gulf of Mexico. After a variety of other remarks of +little importance, he made a very interesting observation, which will +help us to account for the delays of the Court, viz. That all these +affairs could with more facility be adjusted at a general peace than +now, for that such a particular, and even secret treaty with us might +then be made, as would be very convenient to both. That he +nevertheless wished to know exactly the views and intentions of +Congress, but that I must wait for the arrival of my letters, and that +he would in the meantime finish M. Gardoqui's instructions, whose +going to America, he did not doubt, would make a useful impression on +the English Court. I was beginning to reply to what he said when he +interrupted me, by mentioning his not having time at present to +prolong the conference. + +Throughout the whole of this conversation, the Count appeared much +less cordial than in the preceding one; he seemed to want +self-possession, and to that cause I ascribe his incautiously +mentioning the general peace as the most proper season for completing +our political connexions. I had, nevertheless, no reason to suspect +that this change in his behavior arose from any cause more important +than those variations in temper and feelings, which they, who are +unaccustomed to govern themselves often experience from changes in the +weather, in their health, from fatigue of business, or other such like +accidental causes. + +As I had not as yet received any letter from the President, either by +the Virginia, or the vessel lately arrived at L'Orient, nor by Colonel +Laurens, who, I was informed, had brought letters for me, I concluded +it would be most prudent to wait ten days, or a fortnight, before I +proceeded to act on the copy of my instruction received from Mr +Lovell, expecting that such other letters as might then have arrived +in France or Spain for me, would reach me in the course of that +interval, if at all. And I determined, in case I should receive none, +to proceed, without further loss of time, to make a formal overture to +the Minister for a treaty on the ground of this instruction. It +happened, however, that the Minister was so occupied during the +remaining time that the Court staid at Aranjues, by the expedition +preparing to sail from Cadiz, under the Duke of Crillon, and other +matters, that it was impossible to engage a moment of his attention to +American affairs. The removal of the Court to Madrid necessarily +consumed some time, and as soon as they were well settled there, I +wrote the Count the following letter; none of the letters expected +from America having come to my hands. + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + Madrid, July 2d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "When Congress were pleased to order me to Spain, with the + commission of which I have had the honor of presenting a copy + to your Excellency, I left my country with the most sanguine + expectations, that the important objects of it would be + speedily accomplished. The proofs they had received of his + Majesty's friendship for them, the interests of a common + cause, and the information they had received from persons + whom they conceived in capacity to give it, all conspired to + infuse these hopes. + + "On my arrival, your Excellency gave me to understand, that + the realising these expectations would turn on one point, and + I have uniformly since been informed, that this point was the + navigation of the Mississippi below the territories of the + United States, in which Congress desired to retain a common + right, but of which the maxims of policy adopted by his + Majesty required the exclusive use. + + "I have now the honor of informing your Excellency, that + Congress, in order to manifest in the most striking manner + the sincerity of their professions to his Majesty, and with a + view that the common cause may immediately reap all the + advantages naturally to be expected from a cordial and + permanent union between France, Spain, and the United States, + have authorised me to agree to such terms relative to the + point in question, as to remove the difficulties to which it + has hitherto given occasion. + + "Permit me, therefore, to hope, that his Majesty will now be + pleased to become the ally of the United States, and for that + purpose authorise some person or persons to adjust with me + the several points of compact necessary to form a union, + which, by being founded on mutual interest, may be no less + satisfactory than it certainly will be important to both + countries. + + "Your Excellency will oblige me exceedingly, by putting it in + my power to give Congress early, explicit, and, let me add, + agreeable information of his Majesty's pleasure and + intentions on the subject of this letter. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +Although it was sufficiently evident, that the Court of France could +not, for the reasons assigned in my letter to Congress, of the 6th of +November, 1780, openly and warmly interpose their good offices to +bring about this treaty, it nevertheless appeared to me most prudent, +to behave on this occasion towards the Ambassador, as if I knew +nothing of those reasons, and, therefore, sent him a copy of the +aforegoing letter to the Minister, enclosed in one of which the +following is a copy. + + TO THE COUNT DE MONTMORIN. + + "Madrid, July 2d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency herewith + enclosed, a copy of a letter I have this day written to his + Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca. I have thereby + informed him of my being authorised to remove the objections + hitherto made by the Court of Spain to a treaty of alliance + with the United States, and again requested that the + measures necessary for the purpose may now be taken. + + "Permit me to request, that the favorable interposition of + our kind and generous ally with his Catholic Majesty may be + exerted to commence the proposed negotiation, and bring it to + a speedy and happy conclusion. + + "The confidence justly reposed by America in the amity and + assurances of his Most Christian Majesty, forbid me to urge + this request by any arguments, (persuasives being indelicate, + when not warranted by doubts of inclination.) I am happy in + reflecting, that his instructions on this subject are + committed to the execution of a Minister, from whose + attachment, as well as from whose talents and address, the + American cause may expect to derive advantage. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +The instructions above alluded to are those, which Count de Vergennes, +in his letter to me of the 13th of March, 1780, assures me should be +sent to their Ambassador here. I must confess to Congress, that I very +much doubt his ever having received any other instructions, than +generally to favor the treaty, and to manage his interference in such +a delicate manner, as, without alarming the pride of Spain, to give +both parties reason to think themselves obliged. + +The French Ambassador sent me no answer to this letter, which, in my +opinion, gives a greater degree of probability to my conjectures. I +must, nevertheless, do him the justice to say that I have great reason +to believe him to be in sentiment, and with sincere attachment, a +friend to our cause; and that he considers the honor and interest of +France deeply concerned in the success and support of it. + +On the 11th of July, having received no answer from the Minister, I +waited upon him. He told me, he had received my letter, but that the +short time the Court would remain at Madrid, and the multiplicity of +business that he was obliged to despatch, would not admit of his +attending to our affairs till after the arrival of the Court at St +Ildefonso. He then informed me, that a vessel had arrived at Cadiz, +which had brought despatches for me, and that his courier had brought +them to Madrid. He then delivered me a number of letters, among which +was one from his Excellency the President, of the 28th of May +last.[32] + +I need not observe, that all these letters bore evident marks of +inspection, for that has uniformly been the case with almost every +letter I have received. + +I do not recollect to have ever received a letter that gave me more +real pleasure. When I considered, that almost the whole time since I +left America had afforded me little else than one continued series of +painful perplexities and embarrassments, many of which I neither +expected, nor ought to have met with; that I had been engaged in +intricate and difficult negotiations, often at a loss to determine +where the line of prudence was to be found, and constantly exposed by +my particular situation to the danger of either injuring the dignity +and interest of my country on the one hand, or trespassing on the +overrated respectability and importance of this Court, on the other; I +say, Sir, that on considering these things, the approbation of +Congress gave me most singular and cordial satisfaction. + +I was also happy to perceive from this letter, that the plan of my +late letters to the Minister and French Ambassador, of the 2d of July, +above recited, happens to correspond exactly with the views of +Congress, respecting the manner of conducting this negotiation. + +It appearing to me, that the communication I was directed to make to +this Court could not be better made than in the very words of this +letter, which seemed exceedingly well calculated for the purpose, I +recited them in a letter, which I wrote two days afterwards to the +Minister, viz. + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + Madrid, July 13th, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "I have now the honor of communicating to your Excellency a + copy of certain instructions I have just received from + Congress, dated the 28th of May, 1781, and which were + included in the despatches, which your Excellency was so + obliging as to deliver to me the evening before the last, + viz. + + "It is their instruction, that you continue to acknowledge on + all suitable occasions, the grateful impression made on these + States by the friendly disposition manifested towards them by + his Catholic Majesty, and particularly by the proofs given of + it in the measures which he has taken, and which it is hoped + he will further take for preserving their credit, and for + aiding them with a supply of clothing for their army. + + "You are also authorised and instructed to disavow in the + most positive and explicit terms, any secret understanding or + negotiation between the United States and Great Britain, to + assure his Catholic Majesty that such insinuations have no + other source than the insidious designs of the common enemy, + and that as the United States have the highest confidence in + the honor and good faith, both of his Most Christian and his + Catholic Majesty, so it is their inviolable determination to + take no step, which shall depart in the smallest degree from + their engagements with either.' + + "It gives me pleasure to observe that these instructions + confirm, in the fullest manner, the assurances and + professions I have heretofore made to your Excellency + respecting the sentiments and dispositions of the United + States, and I flatter myself that his Majesty will be pleased + to consider the assurances they contain, as receiving + unquestionable proofs of sincerity from the offer I have + already made to confirm them by deeds, no less important to + the interests than, I hope, consistent with the views and + desires of his Majesty. + + "I cannot omit this occasion of presenting my congratulations + on the success of his Majesty's arms at Pensacola. This event + cannot fail of being followed by important consequences to + the common cause, and may perhaps induce the enemy to expect + greater advantages from concluding a reasonable peace, than + continuing to protract an unrighteous war. + + "Having understood, shortly after receiving my letters from + your Excellency, that the Court had also received despatches + from Philadelphia, I presumed that the communication of any + gazettes from thence, which indeed contain all the + intelligence I have, would be useless, and therefore did not + send them; but on considering that it was possible that the + papers I had might be of later date than those which your + Excellency might otherwise receive, I now take the liberty of + enclosing two, which contain accounts somewhat interesting. + If they should be new to your Excellency, I beg that their + not being sooner sent will receive an apology from the + abovementioned circumstance; and that your Excellency will + remain assured of the perfect respect and consideration with + which I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +I also took the earliest opportunity of mentioning to the Ambassador +of France, that my letters from America gave me reason to believe that +our union was daily growing more warm and intimate, and that Congress, +in writing of their affairs here, had expressed themselves in the +strongest terms of attachment to his Most Christian Majesty, and not +only approved of my communicating freely and confidentially with his +Ambassador here, but also directed me in express terms to endeavor, in +the course of my negotiations, to include and promote the interests of +France. + +The Ambassador was much pleased. He told me his letters assured him +that the best understanding subsisted between the French and American +troops, and that much good might be expected from the increasing +harmony and intercourse between the two countries. + +The Court removed to St Ildefonso without the Minister's having either +given any instructions to M. Gardoqui, answered my abovementioned +letters, or taken the least notice of my late representations to them +about the Dover cutter, &c. + +The events of the campaign were as yet undecided, and little money in +the treasury. + +On the 21st of July the Minister wrote me the following note, in which +there was ample field left open for procrastination. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and has the honor of acquainting him, that he has duly + received his two letters of the 2d and 13th instant. The + short stay of the Court at Madrid allowing time only to + despatch the most pressing business, the Count de Florida + Blanca has not been able to take into consideration the + points, which form the object of the abovementioned letters. + He proposes therefore to do it at present, in order to render + an account thereof to the King, and in the meanwhile he has + the honor to repeat to Mr Jay the assurances of the most + perfect esteem and consideration. + + "_St Ildefonso, July 21st, 1781._" + +On the 4th of August, I arrived here. I did not see the Minister till +the 8th, he being, as I was told, from home. He had made no +communications to the King. He had been sick; he had been busy, and +was so still. I requested to be informed when it would be most +convenient to him to confer with me on the subject of my late letters, +and to give me such information relative to his Majesty's intentions, +as he might be prepared to communicate to me. He answered, that he +could not then fix a time, being exceedingly hurried by pressing +business. He asked how long I proposed to stay, I told him till the +Court removed. He then promised to take an early opportunity of +conferring with me on the subject of our affairs, and promised to send +me word when he should be ready to receive me. + +I remained in this state of suspense and expectation until the 18th of +August, when having been for a week past very much indisposed with a +fever and dysentery, and fearing lest that circumstance might become a +ground of delay, I wrote the Count word, "that my health would permit +me to wait upon his Excellency at any time and place he might do me +the honor to name." He replied two days afterwards, in a manner which +indicated his supposing I had gone to Madrid and had returned. He must +have known better, for none of my family had been absent from hence, +and one or other of them were almost daily about the palace and +gardens. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca is charmed to learn, that Mr Jay + has sufficiently recovered from his last indisposition to + make the journey from Madrid to this place, and thanks him + for his attention in communicating it to him. + + "The very pressing business with which he finds himself at + present surrounded does not permit him to fix the day for a + conference with Mr Jay, but the moment he shall be a little + disengaged, he will have the honor to advise Mr Jay of it. + + "_St Ildefonso, August 20th, 1781._" + +On the 22d I sent him a note enclosing a newspaper, which contained an +account of General Greene's operations, the capture of Fort Watson, +&c. + +The Count answered this note by another, expressing his thanks for the +intelligence, but not a word of a conference. + +On the 30th of August Major Franks arrived here with interesting +despatches, of which I must not here take notice, lest I interrupt +the thread of this letter, which I devote particularly to the affair +of our negotiations for a treaty. + +There was indeed among these despatches a very sensible letter from Mr +R. Morris to me about money matters,[33] &c. excellently well +calculated for being shown entire to the Minister. + +I consulted with the French Ambassador on the propriety of giving the +Minister a copy of it. He advised me to do it, and much commended the +letter. As it might have suffered from being carelessly translated, I +had it put into very good French. + +I was very glad to see the Major. The nature of the despatches he +brought being a secret occasioned speculation, and gave me an +opportunity of drawing further advantages from his arrival. His +accounts of American affairs were favorable to us, and the manner of +his behavior and conversation has not done discredit to himself, nor +prejudice to his country. + +The Ambassador of France having assured me that the Minister had +really been a good deal indisposed, I thought it would be best to +write him a letter in a style somewhat adapted to his situation. He +certainly appears to be fatigued, and worn down by business. He looks +as I have seen some members of Congress look, after two years' +attendance. + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + "St Ildefonso, September 3d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "When I consider that the delicate state of your Excellency's + health demands a greater degree of leisure and relaxation, + than the various business of your office will permit, it is + with great reluctance, that I can prevail upon myself to + remind your Excellency, that since our conference at + Aranjues, the affairs of the United States at this Court have + made no progress. + + "The short residence of his Majesty at Madrid, I am + persuaded, made it necessary to postpone the discussion of + these affairs to this place; and since my arrival here on the + 4th of August last, I have daily flattered myself with being + enabled to communicate to Congress his Majesty's pleasure on + the important subjects, which by their order I have had the + honor of laying before your Excellency. + + "It has also for some time past been my duty to have + requested your Excellency's attention to some other objects, + which, though of less public importance, are nevertheless + interesting to individuals, as well as to the commercial + intercourse of the two countries, but it did not appear to be + consistent with the respect due to your Excellency to solicit + your attention to new objects, while this former remained + undespatched for want of time. + + "It would give me great pleasure to have it in my power to + regulate all my applications by your Excellency's + convenience, and though I am happy to see the connexion + between our two countries daily increasing, yet as that + circumstance will naturally render necessary applications to + government more frequent, I fear the duties of my situation + will often press me to be troublesome to your Excellency. + + "On Friday evening last I received some important despatches + from Congress, which I shall do myself the honor of + communicating at any time, which your Excellency may be + pleased to name. The gentleman who brought them, will after + passing on to Paris, return immediately to Philadelphia, and + will with pleasure execute any orders which your Excellency + may honor him with, for either of those places. His stay here + will be but short. As soon as I can ascertain the day of his + departure, your Excellency shall have immediate notice of it. + As Congress will naturally expect to receive by him + particular information respecting their affairs here, I + cannot forbear expressing how anxious I am to make him the + bearer of welcome tidings; and permit me to hope, that your + Excellency's sensibility will suggest an apology for the + solicitude which appears in this letter. + + "I have the honor to be, with great respect, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On the 5th, I received the following answer, viz. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca has been much mortified not to + be able to receive the visit of Mr Jay, not only on account + of the too pressing business, which has engaged all his time, + but also by reason of the indisposition he has suffered, and + still suffers. + + "Although he be not in a situation to engage in long and + serious conferences for the reasons abovementioned, he will, + nevertheless, be charmed to converse a moment with Mr Jay, + one of those leisure evenings when there is no business with + the King; in which case, Mr Jay may, if he thinks proper, + bring with him the officer in question. + + "Saturday, for instance, towards eight o'clock, the interview + may take place." + + _Wednesday, the 5th of September._ + +Your Excellency will be pleased to observe, that the Minister in the +above note intimates a desire that I should bring Major Franks with +me. I thought it best to do so; but lest his presence should be a +check upon business, and as it was natural to suppose, that the Count +would begin by asking him questions about our affairs, I desired the +Major to relate to him the impression made in America by that article +in the capitulation of Pensacola, which permitted the garrison to go +to New York. I also desired the Major to retire into the ante-chamber +and leave me alone with the Minister, as soon as the latter should +appear to have finished with him. + +At the time appointed, viz. the evening of the 8th of September, we +waited upon the Minister. + +The Count received us very politely. He spoke much of his want of +health, and how greatly it incapacitated him for business. He then +asked the Major several questions about our military operations. The +Major answered them clearly, and, in speaking of the proposed siege of +New York, very naturally introduced an account of the surprise and +apprehensions occasioned by the permission given to the Pensacola +garrison to join that of New York. The Count confessed it was ill +done; said it was very unexpected, and that they ought to have been +sent to Europe; that the like should not happen in future, and that +proper orders upon that subject should be despatched to their +Generals. He then observed, that our fears were not altogether well +founded, for that those troops were restrained by the capitulation +from taking arms against the allies of Spain till exchanged, and could +not operate against our troops without also operating against those of +France, who were joined with them, and who, it was well known, were +the allies of Spain. The Major replied, that it was feared that the +enemy would attempt to evade this reasoning, by insisting that the +French troops in America were only to be considered as auxiliaries to +the United States, and that though that argument might be fallacious, +yet, that in matters affecting America, the enemy had invariably +neglected good faith, whenever they found it convenient. + +The Count asked how long the Major would stay here. I told him, that I +only detained him in expectation of being soon enabled by his +Excellency to write something decisive by him to Congress on the +subjects under his consideration. He said he hoped in the course of +next week to enter into serious conferences with me on those subjects, +and that he would give me notice of the day. He offered to give the +Major letters to the Spanish Ambassador at Paris, and to do him any +other services in his power. He then rose from his chair in a manner +indicating indisposition, said he was unable to do business, and that +M. Del Campo should inform me when it would be convenient for him that +I should see him again. I expressed my regret at his illness, and gave +him the French translation of Mr Morris's letter, adding, that I had +intended to offer him some remarks on the subject of it. He said he +would read it with pleasure. He spoke of Mr Morris's appointment, and +after conversing a few minutes about the good consequences expected +from it, and of the services done by that gentleman to Spain, in some +business they had committed to his care, we parted. + +Thus this conference ended as fruitless as the last. + +Eight days elapsed. I heard nothing from the Minister. He was daily at +Court, and every evening took his ride. + +I repeatedly mentioned and complained of these delays to the French +Ambassador. He regretted them, promised to speak to the Minister on +the subject; but, I believe, did not. I appeared much dissatisfied, +though not with him; and told him, that if Major Franks returned to +America with no other intelligence than that of repeated delays, it +was more than probable that Congress would be much hurt, as well as +much disappointed. He had the same fears, and advised me to detain the +Major. + +It became in my opinion important, that the Minister, as well as the +French Ambassador, should be seriously apprehensive of my dismissing +the Major with letters, that would render Congress very little +disposed to make sacrifices to this Court. The manner of doing this +required some caution. I could think of nothing better than to prepare +a letter to the Minister, and send the Ambassador a fair copy of my +draft for his consideration and advice. + +The following are copies of that letter, and of the one I sent with it +to the Ambassador. + + TO THE COUNT DE MONTMORIN. + + "St Ildefonso, September 16th, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "The paper herewith enclosed is the draft of a letter, which + I think of writing to his Excellency, the Count de Florida + Blanca. + + "The subject, as well as the occasion, demands that dexterous + and delicate management, of which they only are capable, who + possess an accurate judgment and much experience in affairs + of this kind. + + "I am happy, therefore, that on such occasions I can avoid + the risk of committing errors, by recurring to your friendly + advice. Without compliment, but with sincerity, + + I am, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + "Whatever may be the issue of the American revolution, + whether that country shall continue independent, or be doomed + to reunite her power with that of Great Britain, the good + will and affection of the people of North America cannot in + either case be unimportant to their neighbors; nor will the + impressions made upon their minds by the benefits or + injuries, which they may receive from other nations in the + course of their present struggles, ever cease to have a + certain degree of influence on their future conduct. + + "Various circumstances led Congress at an early period to + suppose, that the Court of Spain had wisely and generously + determined to take a decided part in their favor. The + supplies granted to them by his Catholic Majesty, soon after + the British armies became numerous in America, spoke this + language in strong terms, and the assurances repeatedly given + me by your Excellency, that his Majesty would firmly support + their cause, and never consent to their being reduced to the + subjection of Britain, left no room to doubt of his friendly + disposition and intentions towards them. + + "Many obvious considerations prompted Congress to desire, + that an intimate connexion might speedily be established + between the two countries by such treaties as would take from + the enemy every prospect of success, and secure to Spain and + the United States the permanent enjoyment of mutual + advantages and reciprocal attachment. With this view Congress + were pleased to send me to Spain, and the first letter I had + the honor of receiving from your Excellency gave me reason to + believe, that the object of my mission was not displeasing + to his Majesty; unavoidable and long delays were, + nevertheless, created by differences respecting a certain + important right, which America wished to retain. So strong, + however, was the reliance of Congress on his Majesty's + assurances of support, and such was their disposition to + render the proposed treaties consistent with his + inclinations, that they have since agreed to remove the only + obstacle, which seemed to prevent his Majesty from realising + those assurances by substantial aids and an open declaration + of his intentions. + + "But unfortunately for America, and perhaps for the general + cause, the delays in question have not ceased with the cause + to which they were ascribed, and although the confidence + reposed by Congress in his Majesty's assurances will not + permit them to doubt of his determination to support their + independence, yet the silent inattention, with which their + offers to remove the former obstacle to a treaty have long + laid unanswered, must appear to them as being very singular. + Your Excellency has indeed repeatedly promised me to name a + time when I should have an opportunity of conferring with you + on that and other subjects submitted to your consideration, + but it constantly happened that the expectations excited by + these promises proved abortive. + + "Knowing that Congress would expect to receive by the return + of Major Franks particular information respecting their + affairs here, I was anxious to send them some intelligence + more welcome than I have reason to think a detail of delays + and procrastination would be, in a season when they would be + indulging the most flattering expectations from the measures + they had taken to gratify his Majesty. For this reason I + informed your Excellency, that I should detain Major Franks + for the present, and your Excellency promised me on the 8th + instant, that you would appoint some time in the ensuing week + for entering into a serious conference about these matters, + and that M. Del Campo should give me notice of it. That week, + however, has passed away without having been witness to any + such notice or conference. + + "I think your Excellency will do me the justice to + acknowledge that the utmost respect, delicacy, and patience, + have been observed in all my transactions with your + Excellency, and therefore I cannot forbear hinting that my + constituents are at least entitled to that species of + attention, which the most dignified sovereigns usually pay to + the friendly propositions of such States, as solicit either + their aid or alliance in a decent manner, viz. a candid + answer. + + "I am sensible that Spain possesses a higher degree on the + scale of national importance than the United States, and I + can readily admit, that the friendship of this Court is of + more immediate consequence to America, than that of America + to the Spanish empire. But as his Catholic Majesty and his + Ministers doubtless extend their views beyond the present + moment, it would ill become me to remark, how essential it is + to the happiness of neighboring nations, that their conduct + towards each other should be actuated by such passions and + sentiments only, as naturally tend to establish and + perpetuate harmony and good will between them. Most certain + it is, that in whatever manner the negotiations between Spain + and North America may terminate, various good or evil + consequences will in future naturally and necessarily flow + from it to both. + + "There is good reason to believe, that the apparent + indecision of Spain, relative to an open acknowledgment of + the independence of the United States, has inspired other + nations with doubts and conjectures unfavorable to the + American cause, and on the other hand, it is more than + probable that, if his Catholic Majesty would be pleased to + declare to the world, that the United States were his allies, + and that he had given his royal word to support their + independence, Holland and many other nations would follow his + example. + + "On such an event, also, it might not be difficult to form a + permanent alliance between France, Spain, the Dutch and the + United States, and thereby not only prevent a separate peace + between the Dutch and English, but effectually reduce the + latter to reasonable terms of general pacification. + + "The limits of a letter forbid my enlarging on these topics. + The eyes of America, and indeed of all Europe, are turned + towards Spain. It is in the power of his Catholic Majesty to + increase his friends and humble his enemies. I will only add + my most sincere wishes, that the annals of America may inform + succeeding generations, that the wisdom, constancy, and + generous protection of his Catholic Majesty, Charles the + Third, and of his Minister, the Count de Florida Blanca, are + to be ranked among the causes that insured success to a + revolution, which posterity will consider as one of the most + important and interesting events in modern history. + + JOHN JAY." + +The Ambassador called upon me in the evening to answer my letter. + +He observed, that the delays of which I complained were not singular, +but that others, and even himself, experienced the like. That he had +reason to believe this Court were really disposed to treat with us, +though the time when might be doubtful. That the remarks made in the +draft of my intended letter were but too just; that he feared they +would give offence; that at any rate, he thought I had better postpone +it, and for the present write one less pointed, and more laconic. We +had much conversation on the subject, unnecessary to repeat. It ended +in my consenting to pursue his advice. + +It is observable, that he did not offer to return me the draft of this +letter, though I had agreed to suppress it. + +The letter which, agreeable to the Ambassador's advice, I substituted +in the place of the other, is in these words, viz. + + St Ildefonso, September 17th, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "A reluctance to despatch Major Franks without transmitting + by him to Congress the information they expect to receive, on + the subject I have had the honor of submitting to your + Excellency's consideration, has induced me hitherto to detain + him, especially as I was encouraged to hope that your + Excellency would have found leisure last week for entering + into serious conference with me on those important points. + The same reluctance prevails upon me to detain him another + week, and I think it my duty to inform your Excellency that + he will set out on Saturday next. + + "I need not remark to your Excellency, that if the letter I + may then write by him should not contain the desired + intelligence, Congress will naturally be led to apprehend + that their expectations of forming an intimate union with + Spain were not well founded. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On the 19th, I received the following answer. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca would have been charmed to have + had it in his power to have a long conference with Mr Jay, if + his ordinary indispositions had not prevented him; he will, + therefore, have the honor to see him this evening about eight + o'clock, if Mr Jay will give himself the trouble of waiting + on him, either alone or with Major Franks, and in + communicating to the King the result of their conference, he + will endeavor to prevail on his Majesty to name some other + person to confer with Mr Jay in case of need, in order to + avoid, as much as possible, the embarrassments which Mr Jay + has hitherto experienced. + + _Wednesday, 19th of September, 1781._" + +I waited upon the Count at the time appointed. The following is a copy +of my notes of that conference. + + _Notes of a Conference held at St Ildefonso, on Wednesday + Evening, the 19th of September, 1781, between his + Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca, and Mr Jay, + agreeably to the appointment of the former._ + +The Count introduced the conference by asking for Major Franks, and +why Mr Jay did not bring him with him. Mr Jay answered, that as Major +Franks was not charged with the transaction of any business with his +Excellency, and had, at a former interview, answered such questions +relative to American affairs as the Count had thought proper to ask +him, Mr Jay did not think his attendance on this occasion necessary, +as he supposed his Excellency meant to enter at present into the +discussion of the matters referred to in Mr Jay's last letter. + +The Count then proceeded to enumerate the various obstacles arising +from his ill health, the multiplicity of business, which had so long +subjected Mr Jay to the delays he had hitherto experienced, and which, +for his part, he could not but regret; that agreeable to his promise +made to Mr Jay soon after his arrival, and frequently afterwards +repeated, he had attempted to commit to paper his sentiments on the +various points on which the proposed treaties must turn, and although +he had made some progress in it, he had, for the reasons +abovementioned, been obliged to leave it imperfect; that daily +experience convinced him that his official business was too extensive +and various to admit of his application to other objects, especially +as his indisposition often rendered it impracticable for him to pay a +due attention to it; that he, therefore, conceived it necessary that +some person, duly authorised to confer with Mr Jay on these subjects, +should be appointed by his Majesty; that he intended on Sunday next to +recommend this measure to the King, to whom he would at the same time +communicate the copy of Mr Morris's letter to Mr Jay, which the latter +had given him; that in order to the putting of this matter in proper +train, it would be expedient for Mr Jay previously to commit to paper +his ideas of the outlines of the proposed treaties, and particularly +to state the propositions he might think proper to make relative +thereto; that he had been informed, that the treaties between France +and America had been preceded by the like measures; for that the +American Commissioners had first offered a plan of propositions, and +then M. Gerard was appointed to confer with them before those treaties +were drawn into the state they now appear, and finally concluded. That +the like proceedings were rendered particularly necessary in this +case, by the variety and importance of the points necessary to be +adjusted between Spain and America; that in forming political +connexions between nations, constant regard must be had to their +reciprocal interests, and care taken, by previous arrangements, to +avoid the inconveniences which would result from any clashing of +interest; that three great points presented themselves, as requiring +great attention, in forming the proposed connexion between Spain and +America. + +1st. The aids requested by America, as stated in Mr Morris's letter, +were very considerable; that it would be necessary, on the part of +Spain to determine what pecuniary aids it might be in their power to +grant either by loan or subsidy, as well as the time, place, and +manner of payment; for that great punctuality was requisite in such +transactions, as well that the royal engagements might be properly +fulfilled, as that Congress might not be subjected to inconveniences +and disappointments; that on the part of America, it must be +ascertained what compensation they should make, as well as the time +and manner of doing it; and that it might be well to consider how far +such compensation might be made in ship timber, or other productions +of that country; that a compensation would be indispensable, for that +the King, being only the guardian of his dominions, would not think +himself justifiable in dispensing with the just rights of his people. + +2dly. That the commercial concerns of the two countries was another +point, which would call for very accurate and important regulations. +That so far as this commerce would respect the United States and old +Spain, the difficulty would not be very great; for that such commerce +being in a considerable degree permitted to other nations, America +ought also to participate in the benefits of it. But with respect to +the Spanish dominions in America, as all other nations were excluded +from any direct commerce with any part of them, the United States +could not reasonably expect to be on a better footing than other +nations, and particularly the French, who were the near allies of +Spain. + +3dly. That with respect to the proposed treaty of alliance, Mr Jay +must be sensible, that the several engagements, which would thereby be +rendered necessary between the parties, the matters of boundary, and +the navigation of the Mississippi, would give occasion to several +important articles, which ought to be maturely considered and well +digested. To this end, he wished that Mr Jay would immediately turn +his thoughts on these subjects, and offer him such a set of +propositions, as might become the basis of future conferences between +him and the person whom he expected his Majesty would appoint. + +The Count then took occasion to observe, that he had long wished Mr +Jay had offered him such propositions, but that his Court had as yet +received from Congress nothing but good words and fair assurances, and +that though his Majesty had given them some little aids, yet they had +discovered no disposition, by acts, to acknowledge them. Mr Jay +reminded his Excellency of his having, at a very early day, undertaken +to commit to paper the outlines of the proposed treaties, and that the +constant expectations of his perfecting it, had restrained Mr Jay from +offering anything of the like nature on the subject. That he could +conceive of nothing in the power of Congress to do, which could more +fully evidence their disposition to gratify his Majesty, than their +having offered to recede from their claims to the navigation of the +Mississippi, though the preservation of it was deemed of the highest +importance to their constituents. The Count admitted the propriety of +both these observations, and said he hoped that the delays, which had +so long embarrassed Mr Jay, would soon be terminated. + +Mr Jay expressed his anxiety to be enabled to communicate to Congress +some decided intelligence, respecting the aids they might expect from +this Court; to which the Count replied, that the sum requested was +great, the expenses of the kingdom very extensive, and the means of +obtaining the sums necessary to defray them subject to many +difficulties; that he would, as he had before mentioned, communicate +Mr Morris's letter to the King, and, until that was done, he could not +be in capacity to say anything further on the subject; that as the +appointment of a person to confer with Mr Jay would rest with his +Majesty, he could not say who in particular it would be, but he hoped, +and was persuaded that it would be some person well-intentioned +towards America; that he was the more confirmed in this expectation, +from the friendly disposition, which the King had early and constantly +manifested towards that country; that he would again repeat what he +had before told Mr Jay, viz. that the King, when acting in capacity of +mediator for a peace, had refused to permit that country to be +sacrificed; that since the rupture with Britain, tempting and +advantageous offers had been made to him to withdraw his protection +from America, and conclude a separate peace; that he had rejected +these offers, and still continued determined to support the States; +that this conduct ought to be viewed as extremely generous, as no +political connexions or engagements did then, or do as yet subsist +between the two countries. Mr Jay assured his Excellency that the +magnanimity of this conduct had made a deep impression on the people +of America; that nothing but want of opportunity would ever prevent +their expressing it more strongly than by words, and that the sense +they entertained of it, had greatly influenced the late measure they +had taken to comply with his Majesty's desires. The Count then pressed +Mr Jay again to send him the paper above mentioned before Sunday, +adding that he sincerely wished nothing might be wanted to put the +business in a proper train; that for his part, he had the best +disposition towards America, as well as personal regard for Mr Jay, +and, after adding some complimentary expressions relative to the +character of the latter, he concluded. + +I was a little surprised that the Count should expect to receive from +me, in the course of three days, formal propositions on the several +points stated in this conference. But it would not have been proper +for me to desire further time. + +On the 22d of September, I sent him the following letter and +propositions. + + "St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "I have the honor of transmitting, herewith enclosed, the + propositions requested by your Excellency on Wednesday + evening last. + + "I have endeavored to render them as short and simple as + possible, and I flatter myself that the unreserved frankness + with which they are written will be no less agreeable to your + Excellency, than I am sure it is consistent with the desire + and disposition of my constituents. + + "As the issue of this measure will in a great degree + ascertain the expectations which Congress entertain from + their negotiations here, and as they flatter themselves with + receiving information on this subject by the return of Major + Franks, they will doubtless excuse my detaining him another + week, unless your Excellency should sooner be enabled to + communicate to me his Majesty's pleasure relative to the + proposed treaty. + + "Permit me to entreat your Excellency, therefore, to enable + me to transmit by him such intelligence to Congress, as may + relieve them from their present distressing doubts and + uncertainties. + + "I sincerely hope it may be such as may make them happy in a + prospect of soon seeing an intimate and lasting union + established between France, Spain, and the United States, a + union which, by being raised on the solid foundation of + mutual interest and reciprocal advantages, may secure to each + the blessings of uninterrupted tranquillity. This generous + policy pervades the treaties already formed between his Most + Christian Majesty and the United States, and I am happy in + being persuaded, that the magnanimity of his Catholic + Majesty's conduct towards my country, on this and other + occasions, will furnish materials for some bright pages in + the American annals. + + "I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +Here follow the propositions alluded to, and sent enclosed in the +preceding letter. + + "St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781. + + "As the time allowed Mr Jay for offering such propositions, + as may become the basis of the proposed treaty between his + Catholic Majesty and the United States of North America, is + very short, he should fear the consequences of haste and + inaccuracy, if he were not persuaded that the candor, with + which they will be received, will secure him from the + inconveniences to which these circumstances might otherwise + expose him. + + "Mr Jay presumes that it is not expected he should offer a + plan of a treaty drawn at length, but only general + propositions, which may be so modified and enlarged, as on + due consideration and discussion may appear expedient. With + this view, he begs leave to present the following as the + basis of a treaty of amity and alliance, viz. + + + PROPOSITIONS. + + I. + + "There shall forever subsist an inviolable and universal + peace and friendship between his Catholic Majesty and the + United States, and the subjects and citizens of both. + + II. + + "That every privilege, exemption, and favor, with respect to + commerce, navigation, and personal rights, which now are, or + hereafter may be granted, by either, to any the most favored + nation, be also granted by them to each other. + + III. + + "That they mutually extend to the vessels, merchants, and + inhabitants of each other, all that protection, which is + usual and proper between friendly and allied nations. + + IV. + + "That the vessels, merchants, or other subjects of his + Catholic Majesty, and the United States, shall not resort to, + or be permitted (except in cases which humanity allows to + distress,) to enter into any of those ports or dominions of + the other, from which the most favored nation shall be + excluded. + + V. + + "That the following commerce be prohibited, and declared + contraband between the subjects of his Catholic Majesty and + the United States, viz. + + "All such as his Catholic Majesty may think proper to + specify. + + REMARKS. "On this proposition Mr Jay can offer nothing, but + an assurance of his being ready to concur in every reasonable + regulation that may be proposed. + + VI. + + "The United States shall relinquish to his Catholic Majesty, + and in future forbear to use, or attempt to use, the + navigation of the river Mississippi from the thirtyfirst + degree of north latitude, that is, from the point where it + leaves the United States, down to the ocean. + + REMARKS. "The impression made upon the United States by the + magnanimity of his Majesty's conduct towards them; the + assistance they hope to receive from the further exertions of + the same magnanimity; the deep wound which an alliance with + so great a monarch would give to the hopes and efforts of the + enemy; the strong support it would afford to their + independence; the favorable influence which the example of + such a King would have on other nations, and the many other + great and extensive good consequences which would result at + this interesting period from his Majesty's taking so noble + and decided a part in their favor, have all conspired in + prevailing upon Congress to offer to relinquish in his favor, + the enjoyment of this territorial and national privilege, the + importance of which, to their constituents, can only be + estimated by the value they set upon his Majesty's + friendship. + + "By this proposition, the United States offer to forego all + the advantages and conveniences, which nature has given to + the country bordering on the upper parts of that river, by + ceasing to export their own, and receiving in return the + commodities of other countries by that only channel, thereby + greatly reducing the value of that country, retarding its + settlement, and diminishing the benefits which the United + States would reap from its cultivation. + + "Mr Jay thinks it his duty frankly to confess, that the + difficulty of reconciling this measure to the feelings of + their constituents, has appeared to Congress in a serious + light, and they now expect to do it, only by placing in the + opposite scale the gratitude due to his Catholic Majesty, and + the great and various advantages, which the United States + will derive from the acknowledgment and generous support of + their independence by the Spanish monarchy, at a time when + the vicissitudes, dangers, and difficulties of a distressing + war, with a powerful, obstinate, and vindictive nation, + renders the friendship and avowed protection of his Catholic + Majesty in a very particular manner interesting to them. The + offer of this proposition, therefore, being dictated by these + expectations and this combination of circumstances, must + necessarily be limited by the duration of them, and + consequently, that if the acceptance of it should, together + with the proposed alliance, be postponed to a general peace, + the United States will cease to consider themselves bound by + any propositions, or offers, which he may now make in their + behalf. + + "Nor can Mr Jay omit mentioning the hopes and expectations of + Congress, that his Majesty's generosity and greatness of + mind will prompt him to alleviate, as much as possible, the + disadvantages to which this proposition subjects the United + States, by either granting them a free port, under certain + restrictions, in the vicinity, or by such other marks of his + liberality and justice, as may give him additional claims to + the affection and attachment of the United States. + + VII. + + "That his Catholic Majesty shall guaranty to the United + States all their respective territories. + + VIII. + + "That the United States shall guaranty to his Catholic + Majesty all his dominions in North America. + + Lastly. + + "As the aforegoing propositions appear to Mr Jay the most + essential, he omits proposing those less and subordinate + ones, which seem to follow of course. He therefore concludes + this subject with a general offer and propositions to make + and admit all such articles as, in the course of this + negotiation, shall appear conducive to the great objects of + the proposed treaty. + + REMARKS. "Nothing on Mr Jay's part shall be wanting to + expedite the happy conclusion of this business, by adhering + constantly to the dictates of candor, frankness, and + unsuspecting confidence. + + "He is ready to receive the treaty between the United States + and his Christian Majesty, as a model for this, or with such + alterations as, founded on the principles of reciprocity, may + be more agreeable to his Catholic Majesty, it being his + earnest desire to arrive at the important objects of his + mission in any way his Majesty may be pleased to prefer. + + "The subject of aids, either by subsidy or loan as may be + most convenient to his Majesty, will require a particular + convention, but as the manner, extent, and terms depend on + his Majesty's pleasure, it is impossible for Mr Jay, without + some knowledge of it, to offer propositions adapted thereto. + All that he can at present say on that subject is, that + Congress are ready to do everything in their power. He will + not, however, endeavor to conceal their incapacity to do much + in the way of compensation, while the enemy shall continue to + make the United States the theatre of a desolating war, and + the object of their predatory operations. But when those + obstacles shall cease, it will be in their power, as well as + their inclination, to make retribution, and render important + services to his Majesty. Mr Jay will therefore continue to + decline attempting to induce his Majesty to take any + measures, however favorable to his country, by delusive + promises, or rash engagements; but on the other hand, he is + ready to enter into such reasonable ones, as he may have good + reason to say shall be faithfully and punctually performed. + + "A particular treaty regulating the conduct to be observed by + his Catholic Majesty, and the United States, towards each + other during the war, also appears to Mr Jay important to + both; but as the proper plans and articles of such a treaty + can only result from a free conference on the subject, he can + upon this occasion only express his readiness to concur in + every provision, which may be calculated to give energy and + success to the operations and objects of both. + + JOHN JAY." + +Your Excellency will be pleased to observe, that among my remarks on +the sixth proposition, I have limited the duration of the offer +contained in it. I did this from a persuasion, that such limitation +was not only just and reasonable in itself, but absolutely necessary +to prevent this Court's continuing to delay a treaty to a general +peace. Besides what the Minister dropped upon this head in his +conference with me at Aranjues, I think it probable that they still +wish to adhere to that idea. To me they appear desirous of avoiding +the expense that the aids, which a treaty we should expect would +render unavoidable, and which at present would not be very convenient +for them. They wish to see our independence established, and yet not +be among the first to subscribe a precedent, that may one day be +turned against them. They wish not to exclude themselves, by any +present engagements, from taking advantage of the chances and events +of the war, not choosing on the one hand, that in case we sink, that +we should be fastened to them by any particular ties, nor on the other +hand, in case we survive the storm, to be so circumstanced as not to +make the most of us. I think it is their design, therefore, to draw +from us all such concessions as our present distress, and the hopes of +aid may extort, and by protracting negotiations about the treaty, +endeavor to avail themselves of these concessions at a future day, +when our inducements to offer them shall have ceased. As this would +evidently be unjust, I think the limitation in question can give them +no offence, and I hope Congress will be pleased to communicate to me +their sentiments on the subject. + +I must also remark, that after what has passed, and considering how +well they are acquainted with my instructions, it would not only have +been useless, but absurd, to have made these propositions otherwise +than agreeably to those instructions. + +Congress may at first view be a little surprised at the extent of the +fifth proposition, but when they compare it with the second, I am +persuaded they will find it sufficiently restrained. + +In forming these propositions, it was my determination to leave them +so free from disputed, or disputable points, as that no plausible +pretexts for delay should arise from the face of them. I am well +apprised, nevertheless, that in the course of the negotiation, it will +be impossible for me to prevent their practising as much +procrastination as they may find convenient. Almost the only hope I +have of their seriously doing business arises from their fearing, that +the instruction respecting the Mississippi will be recalled the moment +that either any very decided successes on our part in America may +render a treaty with Spain of less importance to us, or a general +treaty of peace give us different views and prospects. + +These are my conjectures and opinions. Perhaps they may prove +erroneous; as facts accompany them, Congress will be enabled to judge +for themselves. I will add, that from everything I can hear, the King +is honestly disposed to do us good, and were he alone to be consulted +in this business, I believe it would soon be concluded. + +On the 23d of September, the foregoing propositions were to be laid +before the King. I heard nothing further from the Minister until the +27th, when he sent me the following note. + + Translation. + + "Although the last letter of Mr Jay, accompanied with a + certain plan, was transmitted on Saturday in the evening to + the Count de Florida Blanca, and although he could not inform + himself of their contents until translated from the English, + he nevertheless did not fail to render an account thereof to + the King in his despatch of Sunday. His Majesty having then + shown himself disposed to appoint some person to confer with + Mr Jay, it is become necessary to prepare a suitable + instruction, and present it to the King for his approbation. + The Count de Florida Blanca flatters himself, that he shall + be able to arrange this affair before the departure of the + Count for the Escurial, and in the meanwhile, he has the + honor to transmit to Mr Jay a passport for Major Franks. + + "_Thursday, September 27th, 1781._" + +I have been given to understand, though not officially, that M. Del +Campo, the Minister's Secretary, is the person who will be appointed +to confer with me, and though that gentleman is constantly about the +Minister, yet it seems, that a set of formal instructions are to be +prepared for him. When the Minister will be able to find either time +or health to complete them is uncertain. + +There is reason to believe, that still less progress would have been +made in this affair, had Major Franks not have arrived. I regret his +detention, but hope the reasons assigned for it will be deemed +sufficient; I am perfectly satisfied with him. + +Notwithstanding Congress had given me reason to expect, that the plan +of drawing bills upon me had been laid aside, I have now bills to the +amount of between seventy and eighty thousand dollars to pay, and no +funds provided. What am I to do? Dr Franklin writes me, that so far from +being able to give me further aids, he does not expect to have it in +his power even to pay our salaries in future. + +From the facts stated in this letter, Congress will perceive that this +Court neither refuse nor promise to afford us further aid. Delay is +their system; when it will cease I cannot conjecture, for that is a +question which I doubt whether they themselves have as yet determined. + +I am indebted largely to Mr Harrison for money advanced by him to +distressed seamen. He ought to be paid, and it is so far from being in +my power to do it, that I have been reduced to the mortifying +necessity of desiring him for the present to hold his hand. A great +many of this valuable class of people are confined in English gaols, +without other means of obtaining their enlargement than by entering +into the enemy's service. They complain bitterly of being neglected by +their country, and I really think not without reason. Retaliation +ought to be practised, and if we have not a sufficient number of +marine officers and seamen in our power to make the objects of it, why +would it be improper to substitute landsmen? + +As to Portugal, I have more than once spoken to the Minister on the +subject. He admits the justice of our being treated by that as by +other neutral nations. He has promised to interfere in our behalf, but +nothing efficacious has yet been done. To send an agent there, could +do no harm, and might do good; I am therefore for it. The Ambassador +of France thinks with me, that before that step is taken, it ought to +be confidentially communicated to this Court, and I am persuaded +difficulties will arise from it. I shall do my best. + +M. Gardoqui's departure is uncertain. He is still attending the orders +of the Court. I doubt his receiving them till the campaign closes, and +perhaps not then. + +I do not despair of seeing some good result, finally, from all this +complication of political solecisms. It would not surprise me if we +should in the end be the gainers by them. My greatest fears are about +the fate of the bills. If protested, for want of payment, they will +become the source of much evil. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +_P. S._ I have this instant received a letter from Commodore Gillon, +dated at Corunna, the 28th of September, and one from Colonel Searle +of the 26th of September. I herewith enclose copies of them. Their +contents are interesting. J. J. + + +FOOTNOTES: + +[30] See these letters at large in the _Secret Journal of Congress_, +Vol. II. pp. 323, 326. The latter was drawn up by Mr Madison. + +[31] Secret Journal of Congress, Vol. II. p. 393. + +[32] Secret Journal of Congress, Vol. II. p. 404. + +[33] See this letter above, p. 449. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, October 18th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Major Franks delivered me the despatches committed to his care on the +30th of August. He set out for France the 5th instant. My letters by +him to your Excellency will account for his remaining here so long. I +also beg leave to refer to them for other more interesting +particulars. + +Congress will doubtless be informed that I have refused to accept some +of their bills. As the enemies of America in Europe had, with some +success, endeavored to render the credit of our paper suspected, it +appeared to me expedient to state the reasons for these refusals very +particularly, and I caused them to be recited at large in the +protests. I have sent copies of them to Dr Franklin and Mr Adams, +that in case these transactions should be represented to our +disadvantage, either in France or Holland, they might be enabled to +set the matter right. I now send copies to Congress, to prevent their +being alarmed at any general report that may arrive in America, of my +having refused to accept their bills drawn upon me. + +Our merchants would, in my opinion, do well to write their +endorsements on bills at length, and in their own hand writing. There +is reason to believe that the enemy often turn blank endorsements to +good account. + +M. Gardoqui is here. Those ships of the Spanish flotilla, which +carried the treasure, are arrived at Cadiz. Trenches are not yet +opened against Fort St Philip at Minorca. Another expedition is +preparing at Cadiz; its destination is uncertain. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, November 1st, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +Your letter to Congress of April last having been read and answered by +them, though not so minutely as I would wish, I forbear making any +remarks upon it, because I am not yet perfectly acquainted with their +sentiments, (and would not wish any which might interfere with them) +having just entered upon the office, in consequence of which I open +this correspondence, though long since appointed. I beg of you, +agreeably to the directions of Congress, to address in future your +public letters to me, and to notify the Count de Florida Blanca of +this alteration in our system, our unacknowledged situation rendering +it improper to do it formally. + +Congress have at length completed the organization of their executive +departments, by the choice of General Lincoln for their Secretary at +War. It is expected that order and system will arise out of this mode +of doing business, and the strictest economy. + +If the great powers of Europe, with every advantage that settled +governments enjoy, feel themselves under the necessity of making +foreign loans, can it be expected that a war of six years, in the +heart of our country, should not have abridged the resources of a +State, which had every necessary for their army to import; which never +manufactured for itself; which had no marine; and which, with a number +of internal enemies in their bosom, had civil governments to +establish? Perhaps it would be impossible to offer a better picture of +the resources of this country, and the stability of her funds when +they shall be well managed, than by comparing our present debt with +the duration of the war and the exertions we have made. For though our +enemies may allege, that our debt was relieved by the depreciation of +our bills, yet it must be remembered, that that very depreciation was +a tax, though an unequal one, borne by the people of these States, and +as it has not produced national ruin, it must follow, that the States +had sufficient resources to bear this burthen. These resources, though +lessened, still remain. + +The only object for which Britain continues the war, is the recovery +of this country. What better plan of finance then can be adopted by +France or Spain, than by timely aids of ships and money to blast this +hope, and by a speedy peace to terminate their expenses? If, on the +contrary, they wish to linger out the war till Britain is more +exhausted, this country affords them the easiest means of doing it. + +Armies may be maintained here for one third of the expense that +Britain lays out upon hers. This France has experienced. Though her +affairs were not perhaps managed with the strictest economy, though +her bills were extremely low, her supplies cost at least one third +less than the British paid at New York, without taking into account +the hire of transports, the seamen employed, paid, and fed in that +service, and the number of them that fell into our hands. Be persuaded +yourself, and endeavor to persuade others, that if this is a war of +finance, which all modern wars are, Britain is most vulnerable in +America. + +I congratulate you upon the important success of our aims in South +Carolina and Virginia, of which I enclose you official accounts. On +the returns you will remark a number of British American nominal +regiments. These were recruiting in Virginia and North Carolina, and +their success will show the truth of what Britain advances with +respect to the number of her partisans in America. I will venture to +say, that with similar advantages, their recruiting parties would have +been more successful in any country in Europe. Besides the troops +mentioned in the returns, the enemy lost during the siege near two +thousand negroes. Previous to the surrender, they had a naval +engagement with the Count de Grasse. The Terrible, a British +seventyfour, was burnt, so that our affairs here stand upon the most +respectable footing imaginable.--[Upwards of thirty lines follow +interspersed with a cypher, the key to which is not to be found.] + +But this is a delicate subject, and I quit it till I am more fully +acquainted with the views of Congress thereon, for I confess to you, +that the sentiments I have hazarded are rather my own, than any that I +know to be theirs, and should weigh accordingly with you. The +provision trade with the Havana being very considerable and important +to Spain, while she has fleets and armies to maintain there, it might +be proper to suggest to the Spanish Ministry the advantage of allowing +small convoys of frigates, which would enable us to carry it on in +vessels of greater burden, and by that means diminish the expense of +freight and insurance, both of which, eventually, fall upon Spain. A +few frigates would answer the purpose, as the stations of the enemy's +ships are almost always known on this coast, and, indeed, they seldom +have any out but frigates cruising singly. + +Another thought strikes me, which, perhaps, if digested, might be +ripened into a plan advantageous to France, Spain, and America. While +France keeps an army here, she must draw bills, or export money. She +has, for the most part, preferred the former, at the loss of forty per +cent discount. The money of Spain is lodged at the Havana, and cannot +be brought to Europe without great hazard; whereas the risk of sending +it here under convoy is extremely small. It may be vested in European +bills to such advantage, as to pay the whole expense of +transportation, and even an interest, till the bills are negotiated in +Europe. This plan affords France a market for her bills, Spain a cheap +and easy way of bringing her money home, and America a circulating +medium, which enables her to tax with advantage. + +The enclosed act of Congress informs you of the appointment of Mr +Hanson, of Maryland, to the Presidentship. + +I shall write very frequently to you, and shall in return expect that +you will omit no opportunity of letting me hear from you. A Court +kalendar, if one is printed with you, with notes of your own thereon, +might be of some service to us. I shall use our private cypher, as +corrected by that sent by Mr Toscan, till you receive the one +transmitted by Mr Thomson, in which case, as it is less troublesome, +be pleased to use that, if you are sure it came safe. + +I am, dear Sir, with the sincerest regard and esteem, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, November 28th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +I wrote so fully to you not long since, that I should not trouble you +at this time, if I had not determined to omit no opportunity of +letting you hear from this side of the water, and enabling you at all +times to meet any falsehood the enemy may find it politic to publish. + +Since the capture of Cornwallis, nothing very material has happened. +The ravaging parties on the northern frontiers have been defeated with +great loss by the militia. The armies have taken their stations for +the winter quarters; the French, in Virginia and Maryland; our troops, +on the Hudson, excepting some detachments under General St Clair, +destined to reinforce General Greene. They have orders to take +Wilmington in their way, where the enemy have about six hundred men; +it is probable they will not wait the attack. General Greene will have +men enough to shut up the enemy, but not to force their strong holds. +Want of money cramps all our exertions, and prevents our making a +glorious winter campaign. The enemy are all shut up on two or three +points of land, which is all they possess of the immense country they +hope to conquer; and even these they hold by a very precarious tenure. +Disaffection, which has languished for some time past, died when +Cornwallis surrendered. + +Congress are occupied in taking measures for an active campaign; and +they feel themselves satisfied with everything both at home and +abroad. + +Congress have dissolved Mr Adams's powers to make a treaty of commerce +with Great Britain; and, as you know, joined Dr Franklin and Mr +Laurens in his other commission, if England should at length be wise +enough to wish for peace. + +The Marquis de Lafayette is the bearer of this. He has promised to +convey it with safety to you, and to correspond with you in such a +manner as to enable you to avail yourself of the knowledge which he +has acquired, that may be of use to you. The resolves of Congress, of +which I enclose a copy, show their sense on this subject, and the +confidence which they very justly repose in him. His Aid waits for +this. Adieu my dear Sir. + +Believe me to be, with the highest respect and esteem, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + + END OF THE SEVENTH VOLUME. + + + + ++--------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE. | +| | +| Omitted words, shown as blank spaces in the original, have been | +| transcribed as four hyphens ('----'). | +| | +| Every effort was made to match the original text. Spelling | +| variations between letters have been preserved. Apparent typos | +| and misspellings were retained, including the following: | +| | +| Page Original text | +| 47 "supprised" possible misspelling | +| 169 "he did not embark till June 1st, 1794 1784? | +| 198 "Marquis de La Flolte possible misspelling | +| 216 "Jean Guy Guatier" possible misspelling | +| 267 "the following is an extrac" possible misspelling | +| 285 "May 28th, 1780" date is given as May | +| 30th in Table of | +| Contents | +| 399 sum of Revenues does | +| not appear correct | +| 400 sum of Expenses does | +| not appear correct | +| | ++--------------------------------------------------------------------+ + + + + + +End of the Project Gutenberg EBook of The Diplomatic Correspondence of the +American Revolution, by Various + +*** END OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE DIPLOMATIC *** + +***** This file should be named 37898-8.txt or 37898-8.zip ***** +This and all associated files of various formats will be found in: + http://www.gutenberg.org/3/7/8/9/37898/ + +Produced by Frank van Drogen, Melissa McDaniel and the +Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net +(This file was produced from images generously made +available by the Bibliothèque nationale de France +(BnF/Gallica) at http://gallica.bnf.fr) + + +Updated editions will replace the previous one--the old editions +will be renamed. + +Creating the works from public domain print editions means that no +one owns a United States copyright in these works, so the Foundation +(and you!) can copy and distribute it in the United States without +permission and without paying copyright royalties. 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You may copy it, give it away or +re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included +with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.org + + +Title: The Diplomatic Correspondence of the American Revolution + Volume 7. + +Author: Various + +Editor: Jared Sparks + +Release Date: November 1, 2011 [EBook #37898] + +Language: English + +Character set encoding: ISO-8859-1 + +*** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE DIPLOMATIC *** + + + + +Produced by Frank van Drogen, Melissa McDaniel and the +Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net +(This file was produced from images generously made +available by the Bibliothèque nationale de France +(BnF/Gallica) at http://gallica.bnf.fr) + + + + + + +</pre> + + +<div id="title_page"> +<h1><span class="the">THE</span><br /> +DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENCE<br /> +<span class="the">OF THE</span><br /> +AMERICAN REVOLUTION.</h1> + +<p class="vol">VOL. VII.</p> + +<div class="section_break"></div> +<h1><span class="the">THE</span><br /> +DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENCE<br /> +<span class="the">OF THE</span><br /> +AMERICAN REVOLUTION;</h1> + +<p class="being">BEING</p> + +<p>THE LETTERS OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, SILAS DEANE, JOHN +ADAMS, JOHN JAY, ARTHUR LEE, WILLIAM LEE, RALPH +IZARD, FRANCIS DANA, WILLIAM CARMICHAEL, HENRY +LAURENS, JOHN LAURENS, M. DE LAFAYETTE, M. +DUMAS, AND OTHERS, CONCERNING THE FOREIGN +RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES DURING +THE WHOLE REVOLUTION;</p> + +<p class="together">TOGETHER WITH</p> + +<p>THE LETTERS IN REPLY FROM THE SECRET COMMITTEE OF +CONGRESS, AND THE SECRETARY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.</p> + +<p class="also">ALSO,</p> + +<p>THE ENTIRE CORRESPONDENCE OF THE FRENCH MINISTERS, +GERARD AND LUZERNE, WITH CONGRESS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<p>Published under the Direction of the President of the United States, from +the original Manuscripts in the Department of State, conformably +to a Resolution of Congress, of March 27th, 1818.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<p class="edited">EDITED</p> + +<p class="jared">BY JARED SPARKS.</p> +<div class="double"></div> +<p class="vol">VOL. VII.</p> +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<p class="boston">BOSTON:</p> + +<p>NATHAN HALE <span class="and">AND</span> GRAY & BOWEN;</p> + +<p class="carvill">G. & C. & H. CARVILL, NEW YORK; P. THOMPSON, WASHINGTON.</p> +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<p>1830.</p> +</div> + +<div class="section_break"></div> +<div id="press"> +<p class="press">Steam Power Press—W. L. Lewis' Print.,</p> +<p>No. 6, Congress Street, Boston.</p> +</div> + +<div class="section_break"></div> +<div id="toc"> +<h2>CONTENTS<br /> +<span class="of">OF THE</span><br /> +<span class="volume">SEVENTH VOLUME.</span></h2> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<h3>JOHN ADAMS'S CORRESPONDENCE,<br /> +CONTINUED.</h3> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<p> <span class="page">Page</span></p> +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, December 14th, 1782,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_3">3</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The King of Sweden's compliment to the United States.—The +signing of the preliminaries announced to Parliament.—Quotes +a note from the Courier de l'Europe.—Requests leave +to return. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, December 19th, 1782,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_4">4</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Mr Jefferson accepts his appointment.—Financial arrangements +for raising a revenue. +</p></div> + +<p>To Charles W. F. Dumas. Paris, January 1st, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_6">6</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +M. Brantzen.—Conversation with Mr Oswald on freedom of +navigation. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, January 22d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_8">8</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Preliminaries and armistice between England, and Spain, and +France, signed and sealed.—Terms England offers to the Dutch. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, January 23d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_10">10</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Grounds of Mr Adams's opinions of European politics.—Mr +Laurens's services.—The northern powers friendly to +America.—America has suffered by reposing confidence in a +certain minister. +</p></div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_vi" id="Page_vi">vi</a></span></p> + +<p>To C. W. F. Dumas. Paris, January 29th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_13">13</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Proceedings of Congress in reference to the armed +neutrality.—America is ready to accede to its principles. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, February 5th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_14">14</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Causes of the revocation of his commission for negotiating a +treaty of commerce with Great Britain.—Recommends the +appointment of a Minister to England for negotiating a +treaty of commerce.—Mr Adams's idea of the qualifications +necessary for an American Minister, particularly at the +English Court.—Address and fluency in speaking French +of little importance.—Mr Jay's services and qualifications. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, February 13th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_23">23</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Financial embarrassments of the country. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, March 2d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_25">25</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Transmitting an application from a French house at Leghorn to +be appointed consul or commercial agent of the United States. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, April 14th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_26">26</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Ambiguous expressions in the declaration of the cessation of +hostilities.—Affairs of the Dutch.—Mr Adams's accounts. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, April 14th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_28">28</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Mr Hartley succeeds Mr Oswald.—Prospect of a general congress +at Paris. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert Morris. Paris, May 21st, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_30">30</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The Dutch loan; perplexities and embarrassments.—Wishes to be +at home to persuade the Americans to pay taxes and build ships. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, May 24th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_31">31</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +A temporary regulation of commerce with England will be +necessary.—The American ministers invited to London with a +promise that they should be treated as the ministers of other +sovereign states.—The English court wishes to interchange +ministers with America. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, May 30th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_34">34</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Receives the ratification by Congress of the treaty with +Holland.—Delay in the negotiations of the definitive treaty. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 9th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_35">35</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +"Letters from a Distinguished American," written by Mr Adams. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 16th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_36">36</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Ambiguities in the articles of the provisional treaty +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_vii" id="Page_vii">vii</a></span> +occasioned by the critical state of affairs.—The Dutch +have been of important service in bringing about the +termination of the war.—Expresses a wish to return; is +unwilling to remain in Europe if the embassy to England +is given to any other person.—Policy to be pursued in +raising a loan in Holland.—Conduct of General Washington +during the discontent in the army. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 23d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_41">41</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Obstacles in the way of agreeing upon a regulation of commerce. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 23d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_42">42</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Embarrassments of the English Ministry.—A party in England in +favor of restricting the commerce of the Americans.—America +and the West Indies are mutually necessary to each other.—Thinks +it politic to revive the trade on the former footing, +if necessary. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 24th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_45">45</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Fictions of the European Gazetteers. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 27th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_46">46</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Progress of the negotiations of the other powers.—Expects +to obtain nothing more favorable than the terms of the +provisional treaty.—Conduct, character, and materials +of the British Ministry. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 27th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_48">48</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +American ships arrive in England.—Dubious policy of the +Ministry.—The American Ministers would effect more in +England.—France does not desire a reconciliation between +England and the United States. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 3d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_51">51</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The American Ministers make visits to the Ministers of all +the powers.—The coalition.—The commerce with the West +Indies.—Receives a visit from the Ambassador of the Emperor +of Germany.—The other Ministers return his visit. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert Morris. Paris, July 5th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_56">56</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +State of affairs in Europe at the moment of signing the +peace.—Expediency of signing it without consulting the +French Minister. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 7th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_59">59</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The British Ministry avoid any definitive propositions.—The +West India commerce in regard to the different powers. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 9th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_63">63</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p> +Mediation of the Imperial Courts.—Explains the necessity for +concealing the separate article from France; and for signing +the treaty without a previous communication of it to the +French Court.—The foreign Ministers cease to treat the +American Ministers with reserve. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 10th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_67">67</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +French policy in regard to the fisheries.—Letter of M.<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_viii" id="Page_viii">viii</a></span> +Marbois.—M. de Rayneval's correspondence with Mr Jay.—France +wishes the exclusion of the Americans from the West +Indies. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert Morris. Paris, July 10th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_70">70</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Means of raising a loan in Holland. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert Morris. Paris, July 11th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_72">72</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Necessity of sustaining the credit of the United States by +providing for the prompt settlement of all claims. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 11th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_74">74</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Obligations of America to France.—Reasons for maintaining a +close connexion with France. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 12th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_75">75</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Algiers.—Negotiations with Portugal. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 13th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_77">77</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Reasons for forming a treaty of commerce with the Emperor of +Germany. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 14th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_81">81</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Jealousy of American ships and trade in France and England.—Proclamation +of the English court permitting intercourse +between America and the West Indies in British vessels.—Fish, +potash and pearlash not admitted.—This measure is the result +of French policy—Remedies to be applied by America. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 14th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_85">85</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Exclusive policy of the European powers in regard to commerce.—Views +of Austria and Russia towards the Black Sea, the +Danube, the Archipelago and Turkey. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 15th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_88">88</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Mr Hartley offers no definitive propositions.—"Observations on +the American States." +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 16th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_89">89</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Visit to the Count de Vergennes.—Conversation relative to the +West India commerce.—Means of retaliating the British +restrictions on the commerce with their islands.—The +Americans ought to send ships to China.—Doubtful complexion +of British politics. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 17th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_94">94</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Conversation with Mr Hartley on the English trade and policy in +the East.—Importance of forming commercial connexions with +the Dutch.—Conversation with the Duc de la Vauguyon relative +to the French and English policy in Eastern Europe; on the +colonial commerce.—The British restrictive policy will +produce wars.</p></div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_ix" id="Page_ix">ix</a></span></p> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 18th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_99">99</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The United States must counteract French and British policy +by forming connexions with other nations.—Necessity of a +common authority in America for managing foreign affairs, +regulating commerce, raising a revenue, &c.—The friendship +of the Dutch must be secured. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 23d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_103">103</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Sugar trade, and sugar refineries may be carried on by +Americans as well as by the Dutch.—Conversation with M. +Visscher and M. Van Berckel on the trade with the Dutch +Colonies.—M. Van Berckel's remarks on a loan in Holland.—Conversation +with the Prince of Orange on the ranks of +foreign Ministers. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 25th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_109">109</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Intrigues of the English to restore their former connexions +with Holland.—The Dutch complain of having been deceived by +the French Ministers.—No progress in the negotiations +between England and Holland. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_112">112</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Sugar trade.—American loan in Holland.—Loans of the other +powers there. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert Morris. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_115">115</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The loan in Holland.—Suggests the expediency of sending out +ships loaded by the States with their respective staples.—Probability +of obtaining a loan in England. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 30th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_117">117</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Trade with the Dutch Colonies.—Account of the limits, &c. of +the Dutch West India Company received from the secretary.—General +commerce with the European West India Colonies. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 31st, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_122">122</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Conversation with the Sardinian Minister, who advises the +sending of a circular by Congress to the European powers, +giving an account of the Declaration of Independence, of the +acknowledgment by other powers, &c.; recommends commercial +connexions with Italy; remarks on the Austrian policy towards +Turkey.—Efforts to detach Holland from her connexion with +France.</p></div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_x" id="Page_x">x</a></span></p> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 1st, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_127">127</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Conversation with the Portuguese Minister on commercial +matters.—Dr Franklin's treaty with Portugal. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 2d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_131">131</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Conversation with M. Berenger on the European politics of +the day. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 3d, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_133">133</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Necessity of securing reciprocity in the commercial treaties.—Dissatisfaction +in Holland with France. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 10th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_136">136</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Interview with the Spanish and Portuguese Ministers on +commercial subjects.—Extraordinary increase of the commerce +of the neutrals.—No progress in the negotiation.—Causes of +the delay. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_140">140</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Exchange ratifications of the provisional treaty with Mr +Hartley.—The project of a definitive treaty produced by +Mr Hartley in the words of the provisional treaty.—Mr +Hartley objects to the mediation of the Imperial Courts. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_143">143</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Probable policy of France in regard to Turkey.—Situation of +the Count de Vergennes considered precarious. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_145">145</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Expresses his discontent with Dr Franklin's negotiating +treaties with several powers without communicating with +other Ministers.—Remarks on the treaty with Denmark. +</p></div> + +<p>To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 15th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_149">149</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The belligerent powers except Holland are agreed.—Remarks +of M. Brantzen on the conduct, policy, and situation of +the Count de Vergennes.—The Queen and some of the council +are opposed to him. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Paris, September 5th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_152">152</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The definitive treaty signed, sealed, and delivered.—A new +commission necessary for negotiating a treaty of commerce.—The +Count de Vergennes +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xi" id="Page_xi">xi</a></span> +was not desirous of admitting the mediation of the +Imperial Courts.—Mr Adams regrets not having admitted +the mediation.—Policy of forming commercial connexions +with the European powers. +</p></div> + +<p>To Elias Boudinot, President of Congress. Paris, September 8th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_156">156</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Accepts the joint commission for negotiating a treaty of +commerce with England.—Advises that it be extended to the +other powers. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Paris, September 8th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_158">158</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Management of the European Journals.—Courier de l'Europe. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Paris, September 10th, 1783,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_160">160</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Advises the opening of negotiations with all the Courts of +Europe, and with the Barbary powers. +</p></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<h3>JOHN JAY'S CORRESPONDENCE.</h3> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, +December 20th, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_171">171</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Action at sea between the French and English. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, +December 22d, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_172">172</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Repairs of the ship. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, +December 24th, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_174">174</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +An account of the condition of the ship, and the causes of +his favoring the steering for Martinique. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, +December 25th, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_190">190</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Recommends Mrs Smith to the attention of Congress. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, +December 25th, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_191">191</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Draws on the fund for the payment of his salary for a +hundred guineas, to be distributed among the officers +of the Confederacy. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, +December 26th, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_192">192</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +M. Gerard proposes to send home the Confederacy to refit.—She +is permitted to refit in Martinique, and a French +frigate is ordered to carry Mr Jay +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xii" id="Page_xii">xii</a></span> +and M. Gerard to France.—Mr Bingham's services. +</p></div> + +<p>To Arthur Lee. Cadiz, January 26th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_194">194</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Requests of Mr Lee information. +</p></div> + +<p>To the Count de Vergennes. Cadiz, January 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_195">195</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Recapitulation of former proceedings relative to Spain.—Requests +the interposition of the King in favor of America. +</p></div> + +<p>To Don Joseph Galvez, Minister of the Spanish Court. +January 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_199">199</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Stipulation in the treaty between France and the United +States providing for the accession of Spain.—Mr Jay +appointed to carry it into effect. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Cadiz, January 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_202">202</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Reasons for his landing in Cadiz. +</p></div> + +<p>Instructions to William Carmichael. Cadiz, January 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_203">203</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Directions as to his conduct towards M. Galvez, the Spanish +Minister, and the French Ambassador, for procuring +information. +</p></div> + +<p>William Carmichael to John Jay. Madrid, February 15th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_207">207</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Cordial reception by the French Ambassador.—Should have been +addressed to the Count de Florida Blanca.—Prospect of +reception by the Spanish Ministry.—M. Miralles has been +instructed to assist in the conquest of Florida.—There +is no coldness between the French and Spanish Courts. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Cadiz, February 20th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_209">209</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Mr Bingham advanced the hundred guineas distributed among +the officers of the Confederacy. +</p></div> + +<p>Count de Florida Blanca to John Jay. Pardo, February 24th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_210">210</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Expresses his Majesty's satisfaction with Mr Jay's arrival, +and declares there is no obstacle to his coming to Court +in an informal character. +</p></div> + +<p>To William Carmichael. Cadiz, February 25th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_211">211</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Was informed by M. Gerard that M. Galvez was the Minister +with whom all business with the United States was to be +transacted.—Wished to have discovered the sentiments of +Spain towards America, independently of French influence.—Requests +further information as to the instructions to +M. Miralles.</p></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xiii" id="Page_xiii">xiii</a></span></p> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Cadiz, February 29th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_215">215</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Transmitting papers.—Generally believed that the American +islands will be the theatre of the next campaign. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Cadiz, March 3d, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_216">216</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +M. Guatier of Barcelona desires to be American consul +there.—Necessity for consuls in Spain. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Cadiz, March 3d, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_217">217</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Reason for not making personal application to the Ministry +at first.—Policy of France.—M. Gerard's opinion.—Spain +is already at war with England. +</p></div> + +<p>De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, April 6th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_219">219</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Congratulations on his arrival. +</p></div> + +<p>Answer to De Neufville & Son. Madrid, April 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_219">219</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Their letters to Congress were received before his +departure.—The success of America important to Holland. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 26th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_220">220</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Arrival at Cadiz.—Draws on Dr Franklin.—Extract of a letter +from Dr Franklin (April 7th, 1780), contradicting the report +that the Loan Office bills payable in France were not honored.—Certificate +of Mr Grand to the same effect.—Correspondence +with Mr Lee.—Letter of the Count de Vergennes in reply to +that of Mr Jay announcing his arrival.—Reply of Mr Jay +(Aranjues, May 9th, 1780), to the Count de Vergennes assuring +him of his confidence in M. de Montmorin.—M. Gerard informs +him that he should address himself to M. Galvez.—Writes to +that Minister.—Answered by the Count de Florida Blanca.—Letter +of Mr Jay (Cadiz, March 6th, 1780), to the Count, expressing +the confidence of the United States in the King's favorable +disposition, and declaring his intention of setting out for +Madrid.—Arrives at Madrid.—Questions from the Count de Florida +Blanca (dated March 9th, 1780), requesting information on the +civil and military state of the American Provinces.—Reply of +Mr Jay (Madrid, April 25th, 1780), to the preceding questions, +comprising his commission and that of Mr Carmichael, with details +in reply to the questions; the democratic nature of the American +governments renders a knowledge of their affairs easily attainable. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xiv" id="Page_xiv">xiv</a></span> +1. <span class="smcap">The Civil State</span>; population of each State; government +of each State and the Articles of the Confederation; +disposition of the people, who were at first only desirous +of a redress of grievances; but now determined on +independence, with the grounds of this opinion; there is no +British party in America; revenues; public debts; resources; +possibility of supporting their credit in the operations of +Government, in commerce, in the protection of the national +industry; advantages to result to Spain from the independence +of American States, in the reduction of the British power, +and in the commerce with America; ability of the United +States to furnish naval stores. +2. <span class="smcap">The Military State</span>; number of the troops; the commander +in chief; means of recruiting by the militia; deficiency of +arms, of clothing; means of subsistence; naval forces; the +people will not submit; their disposition towards the Kings +of France and of Spain; financial embarrassments; sending +supplies to America would be the surest means of humiliating +Great Britain.—Receives the resolutions of Congress drawing +on Mr Laurens and himself for £100,000 sterling each.—Letter +of Mr Jay (Aranjues, April 29th, 1780), to the Count de Florida +Blanca in consequence of the foregoing resolution, giving an +account of the financial operations of Congress, and requesting +aid from his Majesty.—Conference with the Count on the subject +of the preceding letter; the Count states that Spain has been +subject to heavy expenses during the preceding year, but that +his Majesty intends to give America all assistance in his power, +and has directed him to confer with his colleagues in the +Ministry on this point; wishes Mr Jay to contract to furnish +Spain with frigates and light vessels; promises to engage in the +King's name to pay the bills of exchange if presented; the +pretensions of America to the navigation of the Mississippi an +obstacle to a treaty.—Letter of Mr Jay (Aranjues, May 12th, 1780), +to the Count de Florida Blanca stating his confidential connexion +with the French Ambassador, and wishing to know if he may +communicate to him the subject of the conference.—Reply of the +Count de Florida Blanca (Aranjues, May 14th, 1780).—Mr Jay's note +to the French Ambassador informing him of Sir J. Dalrymple's +arrival at Madrid.—Note of M. de Montmorin in reply, declaring +his entire confidence in the Spanish Ministry.—Extract of a letter +from Mr Jay (April 26th 1780), to Mr Adams informing him of Sir J. +Dalrymple's arrival at Aranjues.—Sir J. Dalrymple requests +permission to go through Spain, and a +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xv" id="Page_xv">xv</a></span> +passport through France.—Sir J. Dalrymple presents to +the Count de Florida Blanca Lord Rochford's project to +prevent the war by a confederation between France, Spain, +Portugal and England; the confederates to guaranty mutually +their Colonial possessions; to participate in the commerce +of the English Colonies under certain limitations, to be +settled by five persons, one from each country; to settle +the contested privileges of the Americans on just principles; +disadvantages resulting to Spain from the independence of +the English American Colonies, first by promoting a +contraband trade between the American States and the Spanish +Colonies, and secondly by exposing the Spanish Colonies to +the attacks of the Americans, who will soon form +establishments in the South Seas; all Europe is interested in +preventing the independence of America.—The Gardoquis; Mr Jay +is destitute of resources; difficulty of conveying intelligence; +expenses of a Minister at the Spanish Court; coldly treated by +the Ministers of the Northern powers; ignorance of American +affairs in Spain; the secrets of Congress well known to the +Spanish and French Courts. +</p></div> + +<p>To the Committee of Foreign Affairs. Madrid, May 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_282">282</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Mr Laurens is not arrived. +</p></div> + +<p>To James Lovell. Madrid, May 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_283">283</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Want of intelligence from America. +</p></div> + +<p>William Carmichael to John Jay. Aranjues, May 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_283">283</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Destination of the Spanish fleet. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 28th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_284">284</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Enclosing the preceding, the information in which he +considers authentic. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 30th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_285">285</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Receives the resolution of Congress, desiring the +Ex-Presidents of Congress to lodge their public +correspondence in the Secretary's office.—Mr Jay did +this at the time of his retirement from the office. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 30th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_285">285</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Bills drawn upon him are arrived. +</p></div> + +<p>De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Without date,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_286">286</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Bills drawn on Mr Laurens, who is not arrived.—Have +promised the holders to accept them. +</p></div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xvi" id="Page_xvi">xvi</a></span></p> + +<p>De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, June 1st, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_287">287</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Are willing to accept the bills drawn on Mr Laurens, +provided they are permitted to draw on Dr Franklin at +seven or eight months. +</p></div> + +<p>De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, June 8th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_288">288</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Have accepted the bills on Mr Laurens, and request that +some method of reimbursing them may be adopted. +</p></div> + +<p>Committee of Foreign Affairs to John Jay. Philadelphia, +June 16th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_288">288</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Reasons for drawing on him.—Have drawn for an additional sum. +</p></div> + +<p>To De Neufville & Son, at Amsterdam. Madrid, June 18th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_290">290</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Thanking them for their offer to accept the bills drawn on +Mr Laurens. +</p></div> + +<p>To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, June 25th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_291">291</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Is uncertain whether he shall be able to reimburse them for +their advances. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, July 10th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_292">292</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Remittances from America are necessary. +</p></div> + +<p>De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, July 13th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_293">293</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Cannot accept any more bills.—Would undertake a loan if +authorised. +</p></div> + +<p>De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_295">295</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Dr Franklin has offered to accept further bills drawn on +Mr Laurens; they will therefore continue to accept those +presented. +</p></div> + +<p>To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, July 29th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_296">296</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Has not power to authorise them to raise a loan.—The capture +of Charleston will have no effect on the determination of +the Americans. +</p></div> + +<p>To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, August 16th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_298">298</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Expresses his sense of their friendly conduct towards America. +</p></div> + +<p>To Silas Deane. St Ildefonso, September 8th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_299">299</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Desires to correspond with him. +</p></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xvii" id="Page_xvii">xvii</a></span></p> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, September +16th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_299">299</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +It is necessary to cease drawing bills on him.—The +King of Spain has offered his responsibility to +facilitate a loan. +</p></div> + +<p>Instructions to John Jay. In Congress, October +4th. 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_300">300</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Directing him to insist on the navigation of the +Mississippi.—The boundary.—Florida. +</p></div> + +<p>To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, October +4th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_302">302</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Connexion between Holland and the United States.—Shall +recommend their house to Congress.—Spanish +ordinance establishing a paper currency.—Effect +of this measure on the bills drawn on +him; wishes to know if money could be raised in +Holland for Congress on the joint credit of Spain +and the United States. +</p></div> + +<p>To James Lovell. Madrid, October 27th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_304">304</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Difficulties of finding a safe conveyance for his letters.—Receives +little information from the committee.—M. Dohrmer. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, November +6th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_306">306</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The Abbé Hussey arrives at Madrid with Mr Cumberland.—Notes +of Mr Jay's conference with the +Count de Florida Blanca.—Conference of Mr +Carmichael with the Minister.—Note from the +Count de Florida Blanca (Aranjues, June 9, 1780); +to Mr Jay on the subject of aids; his Majesty is +willing to become responsible at the expiration of +two years to the holders of the bills drawn on +Mr Jay, provided Congress will build four frigates +and some light vessels for the King; the Americans +may send for stores to the Spanish ports for +this purpose; the squadron manned by Americans +and under Spanish colors to intercept the English +East India vessels.—Reply of Mr Jay (Aranjues, +June 9th, 1780); expectations of the Americans +from Spain; the holders of the bills will prefer +recovering the amount on protest, to waiting for +the payment two years; the Spanish treasure +from America may arrive before the bills become +payable; Mr Jay is authorised to pledge the faith +of the United States for the repayment of any +sums his Majesty may lend; former aids; Congress +has not the resources necessary for building +ships; difficulty of manning them with American +sailors, who prefer sailing in privateers; the +country is not in a condition to undertake foreign +enterprises; the Americans will always be ready +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xviii" id="Page_xviii">xviii</a></span> +to cooperate with Spain against the Floridas or +elsewhere; unfavorable conclusions will be drawn +as to the condition of Spain, if she cannot supply +such aid to men in arms against her enemy.—Mr +Jay's reasons for not touching on other points of +the proposition.—Note from Mr Jay to the Count, +informing him of a new draft.—Reply of the +Count, promising to pay the bill, and declaring +that no more can be paid without consulting +the King; the proposition of the Count having +been rejected, it becomes necessary for Mr Jay to +devise other means.—Reply of Mr Jay to the +preceding (Madrid, June 22d, 1780), proposing as +a means of paying the bills the advance of the +£25,000 to £40,000 sterling promised; the sum +necessary for building the ships cannot be raised +by Congress; America cannot pay the debts occasioned +by the war till peace; advantages resulting +to Spain by the furnishing of aid to America.—Reasons +for not pushing the treaty at this +time.—Letter from Mr Jay to the Count de Florida +Blanca (Madrid, June 28th, 1780), transmitting +the resolutions of Congress, directing that +bills be issued redeemable in specie in six years; +this plan may enable the United States to supply +the vessels, his Majesty becoming responsible for +a certain part of the sum so issued.—Note from +Mr Jay to the Count de Florida Blanca, stating +that he has been called on to accept new bills.—Reply +of the Count de Florida Blanca, declaring +nothing can be done in regard to the new drafts +without consulting the King and the other Ministers; +requests further explanations of Mr Jay's +plan for furnishing the ships and engaging the responsibility +of the King.—Note from the Count +de Florida Blanca to Mr Jay, requesting to know +when the bills lately arrived will become due.—News +of the capture of Charleston.—Mr Jay's +notes of a conference with the Count de Florida +Blanca, July 5th; capture of Charleston; death +of M. Miralles; the Count advises Mr Jay to be +cautious of Messrs Joyce, who hold the bills; regrets +the precipitancy of Congress in drawing; +specie might have been remitted from the Spanish +Colonies directly to the United States; remarks +on the deranged state of the finances of the +United States; the difficulty of raising money in +Europe; wishes to wait the arrival of a certain +person; Mr Jay observes, that Congress have +adopted measures for restoring the finances; suggests +that Spain might furnish aid by bills on +Havana; states in reply to a question of the +Count, that ship timber may be furnished from +America; urges the importance of accepting the +bills; reminds the Minister of the promise of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xix" id="Page_xix">xix</a></span> +clothing; evasive and uncertain nature of this +conference.—Note from Mr Jay to the Count de +Florida Blanca (Madrid, July 11th, 1780), informing +him that new bills have been presented; the +Messrs Joyce consent to have their bills payable +at Bilboa.—Answer of the Count to the preceding, +desiring a delay till the arrival of a certain person.—Mr +Jay requests that Mr Harrison be allowed +to remain at Cadiz.—Note from the Count +de Florida Blanca (July 29th), granting Mr Harrison +permission to remain at Cadiz; still waits +the arrival of the person above mentioned.—Note +from Mr Jay to the Count de Florida Blanca +(August 11th), announcing the presentation of +more bills.—Reply of the Count de Florida +Blanca, regretting that he must still wait the arrival +of a certain person.—Letter of Mr Jay (Madrid, +August 16th, 1780), to the Count de Florida +Blanca, stating that the holders of the bills grow +impatient.—Letter of Mr Jay to the Count de +Florida Blanca (Madrid, August 18th, 1780), informing +him that bills have been received by the +Gardoquis, which will be immediately presented.—Letter +from Mr Jay to the Count de Florida +Blanca (St Ildefonso, August 25th, 1780), urging +the necessity of providing for the acceptance of +the bills.—Mr Jay's notes of a conference with +the French Ambassador, August 27th; Mr Jay +gives an account of his proceedings since his arrival, +and requests the Ambassador to obtain an +answer for him from the Spanish Minister; Mr +Jay was encouraged to expect that he should be +supplied with money to meet the bills; the Ambassador +thinks that the Spanish Minister will +pay the bills, and promises to speak to him on the +subject.—Subsequent coolness of the French +Ambassador.—Second visit to him; he advises +Mr Jay to write again to the Count de Florida +Blanca, praying an audience; Mr Jay declines +making any supplications, or purchasing by concessions +the acknowledgment of independence; +declares his determination to write on the subject +of the treaty, and if treated with the same neglect +to return; conduct of France.—Mr Jay consents +to send Mr Carmichael to the Minister.—Note from +the Count de Florida Blanca introducing M. Gardoqui.—Conversation +with M. Gardoqui on the subject +of the bills; second conversation with M. Gardoqui, +who proposes the surrender of the navigation +of the Mississippi.—Objections to this measure.—Conversation +with M. Del Campo on the same +subjects.—Conversation with the Secretary of the +French Ambassador.—M. Gardoqui informs him +from the Count de Florida Blanca that no more +bills can be paid by Spain.—Letter of Mr Jay +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xx" id="Page_xx">xx</a></span> +(St Ildefonso, September 14th, 1780), to the +Count de Florida Blanca, requesting to know if +any aid is to be expected from Spain.—Answer to +the preceding, dictated by M. Del Campo, in the +name of the Count de Florida Blanca, to M. Gardoqui, +declaring the readiness of his Majesty to +assist the States.—Letter from Mr Jay to Count +de Vergennes (St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1780), +giving an account of his proceedings in Spain; +requesting the aid of France in meeting the +bills.—Letter of Mr Jay to Dr Franklin (same +date), on the same subject.—Notes of a conference +between Mr Jay and the Count de Florida Blanca +(September 23d); satisfaction of the King with +the measures of Congress for supplying the Spanish +forces in the West Indies; plan of the English +Court to attempt an accommodation with America; +Mr Jay enters upon the points mentioned in +the paper dictated to M. Gardoqui; on the manner +of making known the King's responsibility; on +the King's being disgusted with the drawing of +bills without his consent, and without terms of recompense; +the bills were drawn on Mr Jay, and +the faith of the United States was pledged for the +payment of any sum advanced; Mr Jay wishes +the evidence of an understanding between America +and England; Congress had given proofs of +friendship by sending a Minister to negotiate treaties +of amity and alliance; the delaying of the +negotiations owing to the Minister not sending +the promised notes on the subject; terms of such +a treaty; Spain ought not to expect the expenses +of the war will be refunded; America will be +ready to render every assistance possible.—Mr Jay +returns to Madrid and accepts the bills.—Equivocal +nature of the Spanish policy.—Extract of a +letter from the Count de Vergennes to the French +Ambassador, stating that it will be difficult to +make advances to Mr Jay.—Letter from Messrs +Couteulx and Co. to Mr Jay (Cadiz, October 3d, +1780), complaining of the expenses and difficulty +of supplying and sending home American seamen.—Mr +Jay to Messrs Couteulx and Co. +(Madrid, October 15th, 1780), directing them to +settle accounts with Mr Harrison.—Difficulties in +the conveyance of correspondence.—A copy of the +correspondence of the Commissioners in France +in the hands of a certain foreigner. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, November +30th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_389">389</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Enclosing copies of papers from Morocco.—Delays +of the Spanish Court.—Remarks on the enclosed +account of the revenues and expenditures of +Spain for 1778.</p></div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xxi" id="Page_xxi">xxi</a></span></p> + +<p>From D'Audibert Caille to John Jay. Aranjues, April 21st, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_392">392</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Is authorised to declare the pacific intentions of the +Emperor of Morocco towards the United States. +</p></div> + +<p>To D'Audibert Caille,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_393">393</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Expresses his satisfaction with the disposition of the +Emperor of Morocco. +</p></div> + +<p>Copy of M. D'Audibert Caille's Appointment,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_394">394</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Copy of M. D'Audibert Caille's appointment to +officiate as consul of all nations who have no +consul in Morocco. +</p></div> + +<p>Copy of the Declaration by the Emperor of Morocco, February 20th 1778,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_396">396</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Certificate of Pedro Umbert, that the above is conformable +to the truth. +</p></div> + +<p>Certificate of M. D'Audibert Caille. December 1st, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_397">397</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Certificate of M. D'Audibert Caille that Don Pedro +Umbert is employed for foreign affairs at the +Court of Morocco. +</p></div> + +<p>D'Audibert Caille to Congress. Salé, September 6th, 1779,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_397">397</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The Emperor of Morocco intends to be at peace +with the United States. +</p></div> + +<p>General State of the Revenues of Spain in the Year 1778,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_399">399</a></span></p> + +<p>To the Committee of Foreign Affairs. Madrid, November 30th, 1780,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_401">401</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Necessity of providing means for the safe conveyance +of the public correspondence.—His letters +are opened and many kept back both in Spain and +the United States. +</p></div> + +<p>Instructions to John Jay. In Congress, February 15th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_403">403</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Instructing him to recede from the demand of a free +navigation of the Mississippi below 31°. +</p></div> + +<p>James Lovell to John Jay. February 20th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_404">404</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Has received no letters from him of late. +</p></div> + +<p>James Lovell to John Jay. March 9th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_405">405</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Ratification of the articles of the Confederacy. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, March 22d, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_405">405</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Supplies from Spain.—Russian mediation.—M. +Necker's report. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, April 25th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_406">406</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Spain insists on the exclusive navigation of the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xxii" id="Page_xxii">xxii</a></span> +Mississippi.—Letter from Mr Jay to De Neufville +and Son (Madrid, January 8th, 1781), renouncing +the idea of a loan in Holland separate from that +negotiated by Mr Adams.—Mr Jay's proceedings +in regard to the payment of the bills.—Advises +that the unfinished ships be sold to Spain.—Disposition +of Portugal.—Dr Franklin.—Mr Cumberland's +mission.—Disposition of Spain. +</p></div> + +<p>The President of Congress to John Jay. In Congress, May 28th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_415">415</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Expressing the satisfaction of Congress with his +conduct.—Instructs him to disavow any understanding +between the United States and Great +Britain; to avoid referring to the treaty with +France in his negotiations with Spain; to declare +that facilities will be granted for the exportation +of naval stores for the Spanish marine; to continue +to provide as far as possible for American +seamen in Spain; to open a correspondence with +M. D'Audibert Caille. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Aranjues, May 29th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_419">419</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Conversation with the Count de Florida Blanca on +the admission of letters. +</p></div> + +<p>James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, June 4th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_420">420</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +The affair of the Dover cutter. +</p></div> + +<p>James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, June 15th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_421">421</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Case of Dumain and Lyon. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 4th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_421">421</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Mr Morris is appointed Superintendent of Finance.—Objects +to be accomplished by this office.—Expectations +of aid from Spain.—State of the finances.—Disposition +of the nation.—State of the +army.—Advantages that will result to Spain by +aiding America.—The United States cannot be +dangerous to Spain.—Amount desired. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 7th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_435">435</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Necessity of immediate aids. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert Morris to John Jay. Office of Finance, July 9th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_436">436</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Proposes a plan for sending home American seaman. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 13th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_438">438</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Reasons which induced him to adopt the enclosed +plan of a national bank.—Wants aid from +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xxiii" id="Page_xxiii">xxiii</a></span> +Spain.—Suggests that an attempt should be made +to obtain money from Portugal. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert Morris to John Jay. Office of Finance, August 15th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_449">449</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Directing to protest certain bills, assigning as a +reason his instructions. +</p></div> + +<p>James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, August 15th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_450">450</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Surrender of Pensacola. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, September 20th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_451">451</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Regrets that instructions should have been given +the American Ministers to concur in any terms to +which France should accede. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, October 3d, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_454">454</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Conversation with the Count de Florida Blanca, +who complains that Congress has not shown +any disposition to oblige the King; remarks +relative to M. Gardoqui.—Mr Jay regrets that +the instructions concerning the Mississippi had +not been kept secret; use that might have +been made of the claim.—Has another interview +with the Minister; stoppage of the letters from +America; the affair of the Dover cutter; cession +of the claims of the United States to the navigation +of the Mississippi; the Count remarks that +these affairs can be settled at a general peace.—Letter +from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 2d, 1781), to the +Count de Florida Blanca, declaring that he has +been instructed to cede the exclusive navigation +of the Mississippi.—Letter from Mr Jay (Madrid, +July 2d, 1781), to the Count de Montmorin, communicating +the above.—Receiving no answer +from the Minister, Mr Jay calls upon him, and is +informed that he cannot attend to the matter.—Letters +from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 13th, 1781), +to the Count de Florida Blanca communicating +his instructions.—Note from the Count de Florida +Blanca (St Ildefonso, July 1st, 1781), to Mr Jay +proposing to attend to American affairs.—Mr +Jay visits the Minister with Major Franks; +general conversation.—Renewed delays.—Letter +from Mr Jay (St Ildefonso, September 16th, +1781), to the Count de Montmorin, enclosing +the draft of a letter to the Count de Florida +Blanca, and requesting the advice of the Ambassador.—Note +from the Count de Florida Blanca +to Mr Jay requesting him to call upon him.—Notes +of the conference between Mr Jay and the +Count de Florida Blanca (September 19th, 1781); +the Count requests Mr Jay to draw up an outline +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_xxiv" id="Page_xxiv">xxiv</a></span> +of the proposed treaties; aids; commercial connexion; +treaty of alliance; the Count observes +that Congress has done nothing to gratify the +King; a person will be appointed to confer further +with Mr Jay.—Letter from Mr Jay (St Ildefonso, +September 22d, 1781), to the Count de +Florida Blanca requesting that some decisive +measure be taken in regard to American affairs.—Propositions +toward a plan of a treaty, with remarks; +the subject of aids will require a separate +convention; also the regulation of the mutual +conduct of the parties during the war.—Mr Jay's +reason for limiting the duration of the offer contained +in the sixth proposition, relating to the +navigation of the Mississippi; arts of Spain.—Note +from the Count de Florida Blanca to Mr +Jay, expressing a hope that some progress will +soon be made in the consideration of the propositions.—Embarrassments +in providing for the payment +of the bills.—Mr Harrison's services.—Proposes +the sending of an agent to Portugal. +</p></div> + +<p>To the President of Congress. Madrid, October 18th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_506">506</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Has protested some of the bills. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert R. Livingston to John Jay. Philadelphia, November 1st, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_507">507</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +Organization of the new executive departments.—The +debt of the United States not so large as +might have been expected.—British American recruits.—Proposes +that Spain should furnish a convoy +between Havana and the United States.—Plan +for paying the French troops in specie from +Havana. +</p></div> + +<p>Robert R. Livingston to John Jay. Philadelphia, November 28th, 1781,<span class="page"><a href="#Page_511">511</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p> +State of military affairs.—The Marquis de la Fayette. +</p></div> +</div> +<div class="section_break"></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_1" id="Page_1">1</a></span></p> +<div class="section_head"> + +<h2><span class="the">THE</span><br /> +<span class="correspondence">CORRESPONDENCE</span><br /> +<span class="of">OF</span><br /> +<span class="name">JOHN ADAMS,</span><br /> +<span class="sub_name">ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO FRANCE, MINISTER +PLENIPOTENTIARY TO HOLLAND, AND ONE OF THE +COMMISSIONERS FOR NEGOTIATING THE +TREATY OF PEACE.</span></h2></div> + +<div class="section_break"> +<a name="Page_3" id="Page_3"></a></div> +<div class="section_head"> +<h2><span class="the">THE</span><br /> +<span class="correspondence">CORRESPONDENCE</span><br /> +<span class="of">OF</span><br /> +<span class="name">JOHN ADAMS.</span></h2> +</div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<h2><span class="correspondence">CORRESPONDENCE CONTINUED.</span></h2> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, December 14th, 1782.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>There is more matter than time to write at present. +The King of Sweden has done the United States great +honor in his commission to his Minister here, to treat with +them, by inserting, that he had a great desire to form a +connexion with States, which had so fully established their +independence, and by their wise and gallant conduct so +well deserved it; and his Minister desired it might be remembered, +that his sovereign was the first who had voluntarily +proposed a treaty with us.<a name="FNanchor_1" id="FNanchor_1" href="#Footnote_1" class="fnanchor">[1]</a></p> + +<p>Mr Secretary Townshend announced, on the 3d of +December, in a letter to the Lord Mayor, the signature of +our preliminaries. On the 5th, his Majesty announced it +in his speech to both Houses. Addresses of thanks, in +both Houses, passed without a division. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_4" id="Page_4">4</a></span></p> + +<p>There is a note in the <i>Courier de l'Europe</i>, of the 6th +instant, worth transcribing, viz. "We mark these three +lines in italics, to notice at present the assertion, which we +shall consider more fully hereafter, that we do not owe to +any of the causes assigned at present, even in the two +Houses of Parliament, the peace, the blessings of which +we consider as certain, but to the armed neutrality. This +peace will be durable."</p> + +<p>I have transcribed this note, because it falls in with an +opinion, that I have long entertained. The armed neutrality, +and even Mr Dana's mission to it, have had greater +effects, than the world is yet informed of, and would have +had much greater, if his hands had not been tied.</p> + +<p>On the 4th instant, I wrote a resignation of all my employments +in Europe, which I have now the honor to confirm, +and to request, that the acceptance of it may be +transmitted to me several ways, by the first ships.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_1" id="Footnote_1"></a><a href="#FNanchor_1"><span class="label">[1]</span></a> See Dr Franklin's letter on this subject, dated June the 25th, 1782. +<i>Franklin's Correspondence</i>, Vol. III. p. 371.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS.</h3> +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, December 19th, 1782.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The enclosed letter for Mr Dana you will open and +peruse. It may possibly contain information, that may be +useful to you, which it will be unnecessary to repeat +here.</p> + +<p>I mentioned in my last, Mr Jefferson's appointment; I +have the pleasure of adding now, that I have received an +account from him of his acceptance of the place. He will +be here in the course of ten or twelve days, and sail +with Count de Rochambeau, who proposes to return to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_5" id="Page_5">5</a></span> +France. The French troops have embarked with the +Marquis de Vaudreuil, and are to sail for the West Indies, +unless they should receive counter orders, by a frigate, +which is now in the river. Her letters are not yet come +up, as she unfortunately ran ashore at Dover; it is yet +uncertain whether she will be saved.</p> + +<p>The great political question, which at present engages +the attention of Congress, is the means of providing for +the payment of the public debts, or at least establishing +such funds for the regular discharge of the interest, as may +set their creditors at ease as to their capitals. It was +imagined, that a duty of five per cent upon all imposts +would afford a fund adequate to this. Congress accordingly +recommended it to the several States to impose the +duty. They have all complied, except Rhode Island. +Her refusal renders the other laws nugatory, as they contain +clauses suspending their operation until the measure is +generally adopted. Congress are about to send down a +committee to endeavor to persuade Rhode Island to comply +with a measure, that they deem so essential to public +credit. It is extremely difficult in a country, so little used +to taxes as ours is, to lay them directly, and almost impossible +to impose them so equally as not to render them +too oppressive on some members of the community, while +others contribute little or nothing. This difficulty is increased +by the continued change of property in this country, +and by the small proportion the income bears to the +value of lands.</p> + +<p>By a short letter just received from Mr Jay, it appears, +that England has at length swallowed the bitter pill, and +agreed to treat with the "Thirteen United States of America." +I am still at a loss to account for this commission's +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_6" id="Page_6">6</a></span> +being directed to Mr Oswald, while Mr Fitzherbert's continues +in force; or is that revoked?<a name="FNanchor_2" id="FNanchor_2" href="#Footnote_2" class="fnanchor">[2]</a> I will not trouble +myself with guesses, as I must receive despatches today, +that will explain the mystery, if either Dr Franklin or Mr +Jay have kept their words with me.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> +<p class="signed">ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_2" id="Footnote_2"></a><a href="#FNanchor_2"><span class="label">[2]</span></a> The two commissions were for distinct purposes; Mr Oswald's to +treat with the American Commissioners alone; and Mr Fitzherbert's to +treat for a general peace with the European powers, then at war with +England.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO CHARLES W.F. DUMAS.</h3> +<p class="letter_head">Paris, January 1st, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>Returning this evening from Versailles, where I had +been to make the compliments of the season, I found your +favors of the 26th and 27th of December. The letters +enclosed shall be forwarded, as you desire.</p> + +<p>The Dutch Ministers here have no occasion for my +assistance. <i>Non tali auxilio.</i> I have the honor to be +more particularly acquainted with M. Brantzen, who is +certainly a very able man, and universally acknowledged +to be so by all who know him. The arguments, which I +know he has used with the British Minister, are such as +can never be answered, both upon the liberty of navigation, +and the compensation for damages. He is an entire +master of his subject, and has urged it with a degree of +perspicuity and eloquence, that I know has much struck +his antagonists.</p> + +<p>Unnecessary, however, as any exertions of mine have +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_7" id="Page_7">7</a></span> +been, I have not omitted any opportunity of throwing in +any friendly suggestions in my power, where there was +a possibility of doing any good to our good friends, the +Dutch. I have made such suggestions to Mr Fitzherbert. +But with Mr Oswald, I have had several very serious +conversations upon the subject. So I have also with Mr +Vaughan and Mr Whiteford.</p> + +<p>To Mr Oswald I urged the necessity of Great Britain's +agreeing with the Dutch upon the unlimited freedom of +navigation, from a variety of topics, some of which I may +explain to you more particularly hereafter. Thus much I +may say at present, that I told him, that it was impossible +for Great Britain to avoid it; it would probably be insisted +upon by all the other powers. France and Spain, as well +as Russia, Sweden, Denmark, Prussia, the Emperor, and +Portugal, as well as Holland, had already signed the armed +neutrality. The United States of America had declared +themselves ready to sign, and were ready. The combination +being thus powerful, Great Britain could not resist it. +But if she should refuse to agree to it with Holland, and +the other powers should acquiesce, and Holland should +make peace without it (which would never, however, be +the case,) yet all would be ineffectual, for Holland would +forever be able to make use of other neutral bottoms, +and would thus enjoy the benefit of this liberty and reality, +though denied it by treaty, and in appearance. It would, +therefore, be more for the honor and interest of Great +Britain to agree to it with a good grace, in the treaty with +Holland. Nay, the wisest part she could act would be to +set on foot a negotiation immediately for signing herself the +Treaty of Armed Neutrality, and then admitting it into the +treaty with Holland would be a thing of course. At one +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_8" id="Page_8">8</a></span> +of these conversations Dr Franklin was present, who supported +me with all his weight; at another, Mr Jay seconded +me with all his abilities and ingenuity. Mr Oswald +has several times assured me, that he had written +these arguments and his own opinion, in conformity with +them, to the King's Ministers in London, and I doubt not +they will be adopted.</p> + +<p>With respect to the compensation for damages, it is impossible +to add anything to the arrangements M. Brantzen +has urged to show the justice of it, and if Britain is really +wise, she will think it her policy to do everything in her +power to soften the resentment of the Dutch, and regain +their good will and good humor.</p> + +<p>The rage of Great Britain, however, has carried her to +such extravagant lengths, in a cause unjust from beginning +to end, that she is scarcely able to repair the injuries she has +done. America has a just claim to compensation for all +her burnt towns and plundered property, and indeed for +all her slaughtered sons, if that were possible. I shall continue +to embrace every opportunity that presents, of doing +all the little service in my power to our good friends the +Dutch, whose friendship for us I shall not soon forget. +This must be communicated with great discretion, if at all.</p> + +<p class="indent1">My best respects to all.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, January 22d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Upon a sudden notification from the Count de Vergennes, +Dr Franklin and myself, in the absence of Mr +Jay and Mr Laurens, went to Versailles, and arrived at +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_9" id="Page_9">9</a></span> +the Count's office at ten o'clock on Monday, the 20th of +this month. At eleven, arrived the Count d'Aranda and +Mr Fitzherbert. The Ministers of the three Crowns, +signed and sealed the preliminaries of peace and an armistice, +in presence of Doctor Franklin and myself, who +also signed and sealed a declaration of an armistice between +the Crown of Great Britain and the United States +of America, and received a counter declaration from Mr +Fitzherbert. Copies of these declarations are enclosed.<a name="FNanchor_3" id="FNanchor_3" href="#Footnote_3" class="fnanchor">[3]</a></p> + +<p>The King of Great Britain has made a declaration concerning +the terms, that he will allow to the Dutch; but +they are not such as will give satisfaction to that unfortunate +nation, for whom, on account of their friendship for us, and +the important benefits we have received from it, I feel very +sensibly and sincerely. Yesterday we went to Versailles +again to make our court to the King and royal family upon +the occasion, and received the compliments of the Foreign +Ministers.</p> + +<p>The Count d'Aranda invited me to dine with him on +Sunday next, and said he hoped that the affairs of Spain and +the United States would be soon adjusted <i>à l'aimable</i>. I +answered, that I wished it with all my heart. The two +Floridas and Minorca are more than a <i>quantum meruit</i> for +what this Power has done, and the Dutch unfortunately are +to suffer for it. It is not in my power to say when the +definitive treaty will be signed. I hope not before the +Dutch are ready, in six weeks or two months at farthest I +suppose.</p> + +<p>It is no longer necessary for Congress to appoint another +person in my place in the commission for peace, because +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_10" id="Page_10">10</a></span> +it will be executed before this reaches America. But I +beg leave to renew the resignation of the credence to the +States-General, and the commission for borrowing money +in Holland, and to request, that no time may be lost in +transmitting the acceptance of this resignation, and another +person to take that station, that I may be able to go home +in the spring ships.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_3" id="Footnote_3"></a><a href="#FNanchor_3"><span class="label">[3]</span></a> Contained in the Correspondence of the Ministers for negotiating +peace.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, January 23d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The letters you did me the honor to write on the 6th, +and 18th of November, came safe to hand.</p> + +<p>You do me honor, Sir, in applauding the judgment I +have formed from time to time of the Court of Britain, +and future ages will give me credit for the judgment I +have formed of some other Courts. The true designs of a +Minister of State are not difficult to be penetrated by an +honest man of common sense, who is in a situation to know +anything of the secret of affairs, and to observe constantly +the chain of public events; for whatever ostensible appearances +may be put on, whatever obliquities may be imagined, +however the web may be woven, or the thread +doubled and twisted, enough will be seen to unravel the +whole.</p> + +<p>My opinions, as you observe, sometimes run counter to +those generally received; but the reason of this has generally +been, that I have had earlier evidence than the generality, +and I have had the satisfaction to find, that others +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_11" id="Page_11">11</a></span> +have formed the same judgment, when they have had the +same intelligence. I do not affect singularity, nor love to +be in a minority, though truth and justice have sometimes +obliged me to be so. You say, that nothing can be more +conformable to your wishes than the instructions I transmitted. +I am not surprised at this; it is very natural. +Had I never been on this side of the Atlantic, I believe I +should have been of your mind in this particular. At +present I cannot be, and I believe, by this time, the Dutch +regret having given them. You will hear enough of the +reason of it. I have lived long enough, and had experience +enough of the conduct of governments, and people, +nations, and courts, to be convinced, that gratitude, friendship, +unsuspecting confidence, and all the most amiable +passions in human nature, are the most dangerous guides +in politics. I assure you, Sir, if we had not been more +cautious than the Dutch, we should have been worse off +than they, and our country would have suffered much +more.</p> + +<p>Mr Laurens has been here, and has behaved with great +caution, firmness, and wisdom. He arrived so late, as only +to attend the two last days of the conferences, the 29th +and 30th of November. But the short time he was with +us, he was of great service to the cause. He has done great +service to America in England, where his conversation has +been such as the purest and firmest American could wish +it, and has made many converts. He is gone again to +Bath, and his journey will do as much good to his country +as to his health. He will return to the signature of the +definitive treaty.</p> + +<p>The ratifications of my contracts have been received.</p> + +<p>The release of Captain Asgill was so exquisite a relief +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_12" id="Page_12">12</a></span> +to my feelings, that I have not much cared what interposition +it was owing to. It would have been a horrid damp +to the joys of peace, if we had received a disagreeable account +of him.</p> + +<p>The difference between Denmark and Holland is of no +serious nature. The clue to the whole is, the Queen +Dowager is sister to the Duke of Brunswick; but there is +nothing to fear from Denmark. As to the northern +powers, we have nothing to fear from any of them. All +of them, and all the neutral powers, would have acknowledged +our independence before now, by receiving Mr +Dana to sign the principles of the armed neutrality, if he +had not been restrained from acting. The unlimited confidence +of Congress has been grossly abused, and we +should have been irreparably injured, if we had not been +upon our guard. As our liberties and most important interests +are now secured, as far as they can be, against +Great Britain, it would be my wish to say as little as possible +of the policy of any Minister of our first ally, which +has not been as we could desire, and to retain forever a +grateful remembrance of the friendly assistance we have +received. But we have evidence enough to warn us +against unlimited confidence in any European Minister of +State.</p> + +<p>I have never drawn upon Dr Franklin for any money, +since the end of my two and a half years' salary; and he +tells me he has made no use of the bills. I had received +money for my subsistence of Messieurs Willinks, and as it +will be but a few months more, at farthest, that I shall +have to subsist in Europe, I beg leave to proceed to the end +in the same way. I shall receive only the amount of my +salary, and settle the account with Congress on my return. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_13" id="Page_13">13</a></span></p> + +<p>I hope to be safely landed on my native shore in the +month of June; and to this end, I beg that an appointment +may be made to the Dutch mission, and the acceptance of +my resignation be transmitted to me by the first ships.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO C. W. F. DUMAS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, January 29th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Upon receiving the letter, which you did me the honor +to write me on the 24th, late last evening, I went immediately +to consult with my colleague, Mr Jay, and we agreed +to go this morning to Dr Franklin. Accordingly today +we went together to Passy, and communicated your letter +to him, and after recollecting the powers we have received, +we all agreed that I should make you the following answer.</p> + +<p>You will readily recollect the resolutions of Congress, +which I did myself the honor two years ago to communicate +to the President of their High Mightinesses, and to +the Ministers of Russia, Sweden, and Denmark, at the +Hague. The letter to the President was sent "<i>au greffe</i>," +and there may, perhaps, be now found. These resolutions +contained the approbation of Congress, of the principles of +the declaration of the Empress of Russia, and authorised +any of the American Ministers in Europe, if invited thereto, +to pledge the faith of the United States to the observance +of them.</p> + +<p>Sometime after this, Congress sent Mr Dana a commission +with full power to accede to the principles of the +Marine Treaty between the neutral powers, and he is now +at Petersburg, vested with these powers, and, according to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_14" id="Page_14">14</a></span> +late intelligence received from him, has well founded expectations +of being soon admitted.</p> + +<p>It is the opinion of my colleagues, as well as my own, +that no commission of mine to their High Mightinesses contains +authority to negotiate this business, and we are all of +opinion, that it is most proper that Mr Dana should negotiate it.</p> + +<p>But as there has been no express revocation of the +power given to all or any of us, by the first resolutions, +and if the case should happen, that Mr Dana could not attend +in season, on account of the distance, for the sake of +accelerating the signature of the definitive treaty of peace, +we should not hesitate to pledge the faith of the United +States to the observance of the principles of the armed +neutrality. I wish it were in my power to give you a +more satisfactory answer, but candor will warrant no +other.</p> + +<p>With great respect to the gentlemen, as well as to you,</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, February 5th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The resolution of Congress of the 12th of July, 1781, +"That the commission and instructions, for negotiating a +Treaty of Commerce between these United States and +Great Britain, given to the Honorable John Adams, on the +29th day of September, 1779, be, and they are hereby +revoked," was duly received by me in Holland; but no +explanation of the motives to it, or the reasons on which +it was founded, was ever transmitted to me by Congress, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_15" id="Page_15">15</a></span> +or the Committee of Foreign Affairs, or any individual +member, nor has anybody in Europe, or America, ever +once attempted, that I know of, to guess at the reason. +Whether it was intended as a punishment to me, or with a +charitable design not to lead me into temptation; whether +it was intended as a punishment to the English for their +insolence and barbarity; whether it was intended to prevent +or remove suspicions of allies, or the envy and green +eyed jealousy of copatriots, I know not. Of one thing, +however, I am fully satisfied, that Congress had reasons, and +meant well; but whether those reasons were founded on +true or mistaken information, I know not.</p> + +<p>When I recollect the instructions, which were given and +revoked with that commission, I can guess, and only guess, +at some considerations, which might, or might not, operate +with Congress. In these instructions, Congress determined,</p> + +<p>1st. That the common right of fishing should in no +case be given up.</p> + +<p>2dly. That it is essential to the welfare of all these +United States, that the inhabitants thereof, at the expiration +of the war, should continue to enjoy the free and undisturbed +exercise of their common right to fish on the +Banks of Newfoundland, and the other fishing banks and +seas of North America, preserving inviolate the treaties +between France and the said States, &c. &c.</p> + +<p>3dly. "That our faith be pledged to the several States, +that without their unanimous consent no Treaty of Commerce +shall be entered into, nor any trade or commerce +whatever carried on with Great Britain, without the explicit +stipulation hereinafter mentioned. You are, therefore, +not to consent to any Treaty of Commerce with +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_16" id="Page_16">16</a></span> +Great Britain, without an explicit stipulation on her part, +not to molest or disturb the inhabitants of the United States +of America, in taking fish on the Banks of Newfoundland, +and other fisheries in the American seas, anywhere, excepting +within the distance of three leagues of the shores of +the territories remaining to Great Britain at the close of +the war, if a nearer distance cannot be obtained by negotiation. +And in the negotiation you are to exert your most +strenuous endeavors to obtain a nearer distance in the Gulf +of St Lawrence, and particularly along the shores of Nova +Scotia; as to which latter we are desirous, that even the +shores may be occasionally used for the purpose of carrying +on the fisheries by the inhabitants of these States."</p> + +<p>These instructions are very decisive in favor of our indubitable +right to the fisheries; and it is possible, that +Congress might be of opinion, that commerce would be +the strongest inducement to the English to make peace, +and at the same time, that there was something so naval in +the fisheries, that the dread of acknowledging our right to +them would be the strongest obstacle in the way of peace. +They might think, too, that peace was of more importance +to the United States, than a British acknowledgment of our +right to the fisheries, which, to be sure, would have been +enjoyed by our people in a good degree without it.</p> + +<p>Reasonings like these might influence Congress to revoke +the commission and instructions in question. But +whatever probability there might appear in them at that +time, experience has since shown, that they were not well +founded. On the contrary, arguments have been found to +convince the British Ministers themselves, that it was the +interest of their King and country, not only to acknowledge +the American right to the fisheries, but to encourage +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_17" id="Page_17">17</a></span> +the unrestrained exercise of it. These considerations, +therefore, can be no longer of any weight against a treaty +of commerce with Great Britain, or against accrediting a +Minister to the Court of St James. Nor can I conceive +of any motive now existing against this measure. On the +contrary, so many advantages present themselves to view, +that I think it my duty to recommend them to Congress as +proper to be adopted without loss of time. If there are in +Congress any of those gentlemen, with whom I had the +honor to serve in the years 1775 and 1776, they may possibly +remember, that in arguing in favor of sending Ministers +to Versailles, to propose a connexion with that Court, +I laid it down as a first principle, that we should calculate +all our measures and foreign negotiations in such a manner, +as to avoid a too great dependence upon any one +power of Europe; to avoid all obligations and temptations +to take any part in future European wars. That the business +of America with Europe was commerce, not politics or +war. And above all, that it never could be our interest to +ruin Great Britain, or injure or weaken her any further +than should be necessary to support our independence, +and our alliances; and that as soon as Great Britain +should be brought to a temper to acknowledge our sovereignty +and our alliances, and consent that we should maintain +the one, and fulfil the others, it would be our interest +and duty to be her friends, as well as the friends of all the +other powers of Europe, and enemies to none.</p> + +<p>We are now happily arrived, through many tremendous +tempests, at that period. Great Britain respects us as +sovereign States, and respects all our political engagements +with foreign nations, and as long as she continues in this +temper of wisdom, it is our duty to respect her. We have +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_18" id="Page_18">18</a></span> +accordingly made a treaty with her and mutually sworn to +be friends. Through the whole period of our warfare +and negotiations, I confess I have never lost sight of the +principles and the system, with which I set out, which appeared +to me to be the sentiments of Congress with great +unanimity, and I have no reason to believe that any change +of opinion has taken place; if there has not, every one +will agree with me, that no measure we can pursue will +have such a tendency to preserve the government and +people of England in the right system for their own and +our interest, and the interest of our allies too, well understood, +as sending a Minister to reside at the Court of +London.</p> + +<p>In the next place, the Court of London is the best station +to collect intelligence from every part, and by means +of the freedom of the press to communicate information +for the benefit of our country, to every part of the world. +In time of peace, there is so frequent travelling between +Paris, London, and the Hague, that the correspondence of +our Ministers at those Courts may be carried on by private +hands, without hazarding anything from the infidelity of +the posts, and Congress may reasonably expect advantages +from this circumstance.</p> + +<p>In the third place, a treaty of commerce with Great +Britain is an affair of great importance to both countries. +Upon this occasion I hope I shall be excused if I venture +to advise, that Congress should instruct their Minister not +to conclude such a treaty, without sending the project to +them for their observations and fresh instructions, and I +think it would not be improper, on this occasion, to imitate +the Dutch method, and take the project, <i>ad referendum</i>, and +transmit it to the Legislatures of all the States for their +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_19" id="Page_19">19</a></span> +remarks, before Congress finally resolve. Their Minister +may be authorised and instructed, in the mean time, to +enter into a temporary convention for regulating the present +trade, for a limited number of months or years, or +until the treaty of commerce shall be completed.</p> + +<p>In the fourth place, it is our part to be the first to send +a Minister to Great Britain, which is the older, and as yet +the superior State. It becomes us to send a Minister first, +and I doubt not the King of Great Britain will very soon +return the compliment. Whereas if we do not begin, I +believe there will be many delicacies at St James', about +being the first to send. I confess I wish a British Minister +at Philadelphia, and think we should derive many benefits +from his residence there. While we have any foreign +Ministers among us, I wish to have them from all the great +powers with whom we are much connected. The <i>Corps +Diplomatique</i> at every Court is, or ought to be, a system +representing at least that part of the system of Europe, +with which that Court is most conversant.</p> + +<p>In the same manner, or at least from similar reasons, as +long as we have any one Minister abroad at any European +Court, I think we ought to have one at every one to which +we are most essentially related, whether in commerce or policy, +and therefore while we have any Minister at Versailles, +the Hague, or London, I think it clear we ought to have +one at each, though I confess I have sometimes thought, +that after a very few years, it will be the best thing we can +do to recall every Minister from Europe, and send embassies +only on special occasions.</p> + +<p>If, however, any members of Congress should have any +delicacies, lest an American Minister should not be received +with a dignity becoming his rank and character at London, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_20" id="Page_20">20</a></span> +they may send a commission to make a treaty of +commerce with Great Britain, to their Minister at Madrid, +or Versailles, or the Hague, or St Petersburg, and instruct +him to carry on the negotiation from the Court where he +may be, until he shall be invited to London, or a letter of +credence may be sent to one of these, with instructions to +go to London, as soon as the King shall appoint a Minister +to go to Philadelphia.</p> + +<p>After all, however, my opinion is, that none of these +manœuvres are necessary, but that the best way will be to +send a Minister directly to St James', with a letter of credence +to the King, as a Minister Plenipotentiary, and a +commission to treat of a treaty of commerce, but with instructions +not to come to any irrevocable conclusion, until +Congress and all the States have an opportunity to consider +of the project, and suggest their amendments.</p> + +<p>There is one more argument in favor of sending a Minister +forthwith; it is this, while this mission lies open, it +will be a source of jealousy among present Ministers, and +such as are or may be candidates to be foreign Ministers, +a source of intrigue and faction among their partisans +and adherents, and a source of animosity and division +among the people of the States. For this reason, it is a +pity, that the first choice had not been such as Congress +could have continued to approve, and the first measure +such as Congress could have constantly persevered in. If +this had been the case, the door of faction would have been +kept shut. As this, however, was once my department, +by the voice of eleven States, in twelve present, and as I +will be answerable at any hazard, it will never be the department +of any one by a greater majority, there seems to +be a propriety in my giving my advice concerning it, on +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_21" id="Page_21">21</a></span> +taking leave of it, if such is the will of Congress, as I have +before done in this letter, according to the best of my judgment. +And if it should not be thought too presumptuous, +I would beg leave to add, what is my idea of the qualifications +necessary for an American foreign Minister in general, +and particularly and above all to the Court of St +James'.</p> + +<p>In the first place, he should have had an education in +classical learning, and in the knowledge of general history, +ancient and modern, and particularly the history of France, +England, Holland, and America. He should be well +versed in the principles of ethics, of the law of nature +and nations, of legislation and government, of the civil +Roman law, of the laws of England, and the United +States, of the public law of Europe, and in the letters, memoirs, +and histories of those great men, who have heretofore +shone in the diplomatic order, and conducted the +affairs of nations, and the world. He should be of an age +to possess a maturity of judgment, arising from experience +in business. He should be active, attentive, and industrious, +and above all, he should possess an upright heart, +and an independent spirit, and should be one, who decidedly +makes the interest of his country, not the policy of +any other nation, nor his own private ambition or interest, +or those of his family, friends, and connexions, the rule of +his conduct.</p> + +<p>We hear so much said about a genteel address, and a +facility in speaking the French language, that one would +think a dancing master and a French master the only +tutors necessary to educate a statesman. Be it remembered, +the present revolution, neither in America nor +Europe, has been accomplished by elegant bows, nor by +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_22" id="Page_22">22</a></span> +fluency in French, nor will any great thing ever be effected +by such accomplishments alone. A man must have something +in his head to say, before he can speak to effect, how +ready soever he may be at utterance. And if the knowledge +is in his head, and the virtue in his heart, he will +never fail to find a way of communicating his sentiments to +good purpose. He will always have excellent translators +ready, if he wants them, to turn his thoughts into any language +he desires.</p> + +<p>As to what is called a fine address, it is seldom attended +to after a first or second conversation, and even in these, it +is regarded no more by men of sense of any country, than +another thing, which I heard disputed with great vivacity +among the officers of the French frigate, the Sensible. The +question was, what were the several departments of an Ambassador +and a Secretary of Legation. After a long and +shrewd discussion, it was decided by a majority of votes, +"that the Secretary's part was to do the business, and that +of an Ambassador to keep a mistress." This decision +produced a laugh among the company, and no ideas of the +kind will ever produce anything else, among men of understanding.</p> + +<p>It is very true, that it is possible, that a case may happen, +that a man may serve his country by a bribe well +placed, or an intrigue of pleasure with a woman. But it is +equally true, that a man's country will be sold and betrayed +a thousand times by this infamous commerce, where +it will be once served. It is very certain, that we shall +never be a match for European statesmen in such accomplishments +for negotiation, any more than, I must and will +add, they will equal us in any solid abilities, virtues, and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_23" id="Page_23">23</a></span> +application to business, if we choose wisely among the excellent +characters, with which our country abounds.</p> + +<p>Among the Ministers, who have already crossed the Atlantic +to Europe, there have been none exceeding Mr Jay +and Mr Dana, in all the qualifications I have presumed to +enumerate, and I must say, that if I had the honor to give +my vote in Congress, for a Minister at the Court of Great +Britain, provided that injustice must be finally done to him, +who was the first object of his country's choice, such have +been the activity, intelligence, address, and fortitude of Mr +Jay, as well as his sufferings in his voyage, journeys, and +past services, that I should think of no other object of +my choice than that gentleman. If Congress should neglect +all their old Ministers, and send a fresh one from +America, they cannot be at a loss, for there are in that +country great numbers of men well qualified for the service. +These are most certainly better known by name to +Congress than to me, and, therefore, I shall venture no further, +but conclude, by wishing this arduous business well +settled, and by assurances to Congress, and to you, Sir, +of my warmest attachment and respect.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, February 13th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>On my return, the night before last, from a journey to +the State of New York, I found your favors of the 6th, +the 7th, the 17th, the 19th, and the 23d of September. +They contain important and useful information; and that +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_24" id="Page_24">24</a></span> +particularly of the 6th is replete with matter, which deserves +an attention, that I lament not having it in my power +to give it at this moment, as the express, by which this +goes to Baltimore, is on the wing.</p> + +<p>I congratulate you most sincerely upon having surmounted +all the obstacles, that opposed themselves to the +completion of our important connexion with the United +States [of Holland]. It has, I think, given the last blow +to the pride of Britain. Its power, so far as it could +endanger us, was past recovery before, except as it derived +force from its pride, which, like the last struggles of a +dying man, gave an appearance of vigor to the body, which +it was about to destroy.</p> + +<p>This covers a ratification of the treaty. The first +copy sent by Mr Jefferson has not been signed by me, +owing to my absence. That gentleman has not yet sailed +from Baltimore, having been delayed by a number of the +enemy's cruisers, which infest the Bay.</p> + +<p>We this day received the speech of his Britannic Majesty. +It breathes so much the language of peace, that I +begin to think it will be unnecessary to give Mr Jefferson +the trouble of going over at all. The delays he has met +with leave you longer without intelligence from hence, than +I would ever wish you to be, though no important event +has taken place, except the evacuation of Charleston. +Our distress for want of money has rather increased, than +diminished. This object will demand your attention, full +as much if the war should be terminated, as if it should +continue. The army, and the other public creditors, begin +to grow very uneasy, and our present exhausted situation +will not admit of internal loans, or such taxes as will suffice +to give them relief. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_25" id="Page_25">25</a></span></p> + +<p>I have sent you three different sets of cyphers, not +thinking it advisable to send duplicates. Be pleased to +let me know whether any and which have arrived safe.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, March 2d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I am very much of your opinion, that all places in general, +in foreign countries, under the United States, should +be filled with Americans, but am sometimes requested to +transmit to Congress applications and recommendations +in so pressing a manner, and by persons of distinction, +that it would be scarcely civil to refuse.</p> + +<p>Such an instance is the following, and if Congress +should depart from the general rule, I suppose, that no +person at Leghorn has so good pretensions.</p> + +<p>The application to me is this,—"Messrs Touissaint, +Doutremont & Co., merchants of great credit at Leghorn, +who obtained, fortyfive years ago, letters of nobility from +the Court of France, pray the gentlemen, the deputies of +the United States of America, to grant them the place of +Consul, or of Agent of their commerce at Leghorn."</p> + +<p>At least, if Congress, or their Ministers, have occasion +for a correspondent in that city, they will not be at a +loss.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_26" id="Page_26">26</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, April 14th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I received two days ago your favors of the 22d and +23d of January, with the declarations for the cessation of +hostilities, on which a doubt of much importance to the +people of this country is started, to wit, to know at what +period hostilities ceased on this coast, that is, what is +meant by "as far as the Canaries." If it means in the +same <i>latitude</i>, hostilities ceased here the 3d of March, +and a great number of vessels must be restored. If it +does not mean a latitudinal line, what does it mean, which +carries any certainty with it? The terms of the provisional +treaty also occasion much debate. A variety of +questions have been started, but these I shall speak of in +my letter to you in conjunction with your colleagues, that +you may, if opportunity should offer before the Definitive +Treaty is concluded, find some means to rid them of their +ambiguity.</p> + +<p>It would give me pain to find, that the Dutch do not +attain their objects in the close of the war, and still more +to impute their misfortunes to any desertion of their interests +by France, since I confess freely to you, that her conduct, +as far as I have observed it, has appeared to me in +the highest degree generous and disinterested. The extreme +langour of the Dutch, their divisions, and the less than +nothing that they have done for themselves, entitle them to +little. Without the uncommon exertions of France, they +would not have had a single settlement left, either in the +East or West Indies. So that they lay absolutely at her +mercy, and, therefore, I was pleased to find their instructions +to their Ministers so expressed as to leave no room to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_27" id="Page_27">27</a></span> +fear, that they would obstruct the peace, when they contributed +so little to the prosecution of the war. But I +rather pitied, than blamed their weakness; they were torn +by factions, and clogged by an executive, which strove to +find reasons for having no execution.</p> + +<p>Congress, the day before yesterday, agreed to ratify the +Provisional Articles as such, and to release their prisoners, +in which the British took the lead. The tories have little +reliance upon the effect of the recommendations of Congress; +great numbers of them have sailed, and are daily +sailing for Nova Scotia.</p> + +<p>With respect to your salary, I must pray you to settle +with Dr Franklin the amount of bills drawn in your favor. +You will, with those that go by this conveyance, receive the +amount of three quarters' salary, at two thousand seven +hundred and seventyseven dollars and sixtyeight ninetieths +per quarter, which were laid out in bills at six shillings +three pence, this money, for five livres, which was a very +advantageous exchange for you. This, however, Congress +have directed, by the enclosed resolution, to be +altered, and your salaries to be paid in bills at the rate of +five livres, five sous per dollar. As this resolution retrospects +you will have, with the bills transmitted to you, +livres more than is due for three quarters' salary. This +will be deducted from the last quarter, for which I will get +a warrant, and leave it with the Treasury here for you or +your order. By settling this matter with Dr Franklin, and +redrawing upon your banker in Holland, you will leave my +accounts unembarrassed, which is of consequence to me, +as I have determined to quit the place I now hold, in the +course of a few weeks, and enjoy in retirement the pleasures +of peace. I have charged no commissions on these money +transactions, nor do I propose to charge any. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_28" id="Page_28">28</a></span></p> + +<p>Your account of contingent expenses is before a committee. +Should Congress agree to accept your resignation, +(which I am sorry to see you offer, since the connexions +you have formed, and the experience you have acquired, +might render you particularly serviceable in Holland) it +will be best that you settle it with them yourself on your +arrival. The want of permanent funds, and the opposition +which some States have given to every attempt to establish +them, the demands of the public creditors, and particularly +of the army, have excited much uneasiness here. Satisfactory +measures will, I hope, be adopted to calm it, and +do ample justice. The army, whose proceedings I transmit, +have done themselves honor by their conduct on this +occasion. Too much praise could not be given to the +commander-in-chief, for the share he had in the transaction, +if he was not above all praise.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, April 14th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>You may easily imagine our anxiety to hear from America, +when you know that we have no news to this hour, +either of your reception of the news of peace, or that of +the treaty with Holland, four copies of which I put on +board different vessels at Amsterdam, in October.</p> + +<p>We have been in equal uncertainty about the turn, +which affairs might take in England. But by letters from +Mr Laurens we expect him every day, and Mr David +Hartley with him, in order to complete the definitive +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_29" id="Page_29">29</a></span> +treaty. It would have been more agreeable to have +finished with Mr Oswald. But the present Ministry are +so dissatisfied with what is past, as they say, though nobody +believes them, that they choose to change hands.</p> + +<p>It will be proposed, I believe, to make a temporary arrangement +of commercial matters, as our powers are not +competent to a durable one, if to any. Congress will, no +doubt, soon send a Minister with full powers, as the treaty +of commerce with Great Britain is of great importance, +and our affairs in that country require an overseer.</p> + +<p>It is confidently asserted, in letters from Holland, that +M. Markow, the Minister Plenipotentiary from the Empress +of Russia, has received from his mistress a full +power to come to Paris, to the assistance of the Prince +Bariatinski at a Congress for a general pacification. +There is, as yet, no answer received from the Emperor. +If the two Imperial Courts accept of the mediation, there +will be a Congress; but I suppose it will relate chiefly to +the affairs of Holland, which are not yet arranged, and to +the liberty of neutral navigation, which is their principal +point. I wish success to that Republic in this negotiation, +which will help to compose their interior disorders, which +are alarming.</p> + +<p>I know not whether it will be insisted or expected, that +we should join in the Congress, nor do I know what we +have to do in it, unless it be to settle that point as far as it +relates to us. There is nothing in difference between us +and Great Britain, which we cannot adjust ourselves, without +any mediation.</p> + +<p>A spring passage to America is so great an object, that +I should be very sorry to have the negotiations spun out to +such a length as to oblige me to lose it, and I take it for +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_30" id="Page_30">30</a></span> +granted, I shall now receive the acceptance of my +resignation by the first ships.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT MORRIS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, May 21st, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I am just now honored with yours of the 19th of January, +by the way of London. We have not yet had the +happiness to receive, as we should be disposed to do with +open arms, our excellent old friend Jefferson, and begin to +fear that the news of peace has determined him not to +come.</p> + +<p>I thank you, Sir, for your polite congratulations; when +the tide turned, it flowed with rapidity, and carried the +vessel, as I hope, into a safe harbor.</p> + +<p>As to the loan in Holland, I have never troubled you, nor +any one else in America, with details of the vexations of +various kinds, which I met with in the negotiation of it; +indeed, I never thought it prudent or safe to do it. If I +had told the whole truth, it could have done no good, and +it might have done infinite mischief. In general, it is now +sufficient to say, that private interest, party spirit, factions, +cabals, and slanderers, have obstructed, perplexed, and +tortured our loan in Holland, as well as all our other +affairs, foreign and domestic. But as there has been a +greater variety of clashing interests, English, French, +Stadtholderian, Republican, and American, mixing in the +affair of our loan in Holland, it has been more puzzled +than anything else. If, in the bitterness of my soul, I had +described the fermentation, and mentioned names, and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_31" id="Page_31">31</a></span> +drawn characters, I might have transmitted a curious tale, +but it would have only served to inflame old animosities, +and excite new ones.</p> + +<p>A great many things are said to me, on purpose that +they may be represented to you or to Congress. Some +of these I believe to be false, most of them I suspect, and +some of them that are true would do no good. I think it necessary, +therefore, to employ a little discretion in such cases.</p> + +<p>Messrs Willinks & Co. will write you from time to time, +as they tell me they have done, the state of the loan. Mr +Grand wants all the money, but they wait your orders. +The loan has been and will be damped by transmitting the +money to France, but your necessities were so urgent, that +you could not avoid it.</p> + +<p>In my opinion, if you had a Minister at St James's, and +he were authorised to borrow money generally, in England +or elsewhere, it would serve you greatly, by causing an +emulation even in Holland, besides the money you would +procure in London, which would not be a trifling sum.</p> + +<p>I wish I were in Congress, that I might assist you in +persuading our countrymen to pay taxes and build ships.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great esteem and respect, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, May 24th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I have the honor to enclose copies, to be laid before +Congress, of several papers. 1st. Mr Hartley's full powers +of May 14th. 2dly. The order of the King of Great +Britain in Council, for regulating the American trade, of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_32" id="Page_32">32</a></span> +May 14th. 3dly. Articles proposed by the American Ministers +to Mr Hartley, April 29th. 4thly. Mr Hartley's +observations left with us May 21st. And 5thly. Mr Hartley's +proposition of the same day.<a name="FNanchor_4" id="FNanchor_4" href="#Footnote_4" class="fnanchor">[4]</a></p> + +<p>This proposition, however, upon inquiry, we find Mr +Hartley does not incline to subscribe to, before he sends it +to his Court for their orders. So that we have not +yet given him our opinion of it. He has sent a courier +to London, before whose return we hope to have further +intelligence from Philadelphia.</p> + +<p>The present British Ministry discover an indecision and +timidity, which indicate instability. Some persons from +England imagine, that my Lord Shelburne will come in +again. The change would produce a longer delay; but I +think would be no disadvantage to America. If he had +continued in power, I think we should have finished, or +been ready to finish, before now with Mr Oswald. Mr +Hartley's dispositions, however, are very good, and if left +to his own judgment, would be liberal and fair.</p> + +<p>The idea of reviving the trade, upon the plan of the +laws of Great Britain before the war, although those laws +were calculated so much for the advantage of that country +and so little for the advantage of ours, might be admissible +for a few months, until Ministers could be appointed on +both sides to frame a treaty of commerce; provided no +advantage should be ceded by it, in the negotiation of such +treaty, and provided, that such a temporary convention for +trade should neither delay nor influence the definitive +treaty. It is much to be wished, that the definitive treaty +of peace, and a permanent treaty of commerce, could be +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_33" id="Page_33">33</a></span> +signed at the same time. This, however, seems now to be +impossible; and, therefore, some temporary regulation of +commerce seems unavoidable. But we are as yet too uncertain +of the sentiments of the Court of St James, to be +able to foresee, whether we shall be able to agree with them. +Mr Hartley has been here four weeks, and nothing has +been done, although he was very sanguine before he left +London, that he should send home a convention in less +than half of four days.</p> + +<p>Congress will see by Mr Hartley's commission, that they +are become the "good friends" of the King of Great Britain. +Mr Hartley on his first arrival here communicated to +us in form, an invitation from the Ministers, with the +knowledge and consent of the King, to all the American +Ministers to go to London, with the assurance, that we +should be there presented at Court, and treated in all respects +like the Ministers of any other sovereign State. He +also communicated the desire of his Court, that the two +Powers should interchange Ministers as soon as possible. +I hope that the first ship will bring a Minister for that +Court, or a commission to some one to go there, because +I think it would have been useful to us to have had one +there three months ago, and that it would not be less useful +now. The permanent treaty of commerce, nevertheless, +should not he hastily concluded, nor before Congress +shall have had an opportunity to judge of the project, suggest +their amendments, and transmit their orders.</p> + +<p>No preliminaries are yet signed with the Dutch, and I +am very anxious for their lot.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_4" id="Footnote_4"></a><a href="#FNanchor_4"><span class="label">[4]</span></a> These papers will be found in the Correspondence of the Commissioners +for making peace.</p></div></div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_34" id="Page_34">34</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, May 30th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On the 28th of this month, the letter which you did me +the honor to write me on the 13th of February, which arrived +at the Hague, I received, enclosed with the ratification +of the treaty with their High Mightinesses, which will +be exchanged by M. Dumas, as the conferences here for +the definitive treaty will not admit of my taking so long a +journey at this time.<a name="FNanchor_5" id="FNanchor_5" href="#Footnote_5" class="fnanchor">[5]</a></p> + +<p>This arrival in season to exchange the ratifications before +the departure of M. Van Berckel, which is to be in about +three weeks, is fortunate. I hope that the first ships from +America will bring my letter of recall from that Republic, +and another Minister, or credence to some one now in Europe, +to take my place.</p> + +<p>I am happy to find that any letters of mine in September +last contained information that you think of consequence, +although, not having my letter book here, I am +not able to recollect the subject. The final completion of +the negotiation with Holland gives me a pleasure, which +will not be equalled, but by that of the definitive treaty of +peace, which languishes at present for want of decisive instructions +from Mr Hartley, in such a manner, as gives +cause to suspect that the present Ministry are not firm in +their seats.</p> + +<p>The presence of a Minister in Holland would encourage +your loan of money there, but it would be quickened still +more, by your sending a Minister to London, with powers +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_35" id="Page_35">35</a></span> +to borrow money there. Emulation is the best spring; or +call it rivalry, or jealousy, if you will, it will get you money +if you put it in motion.</p> + +<p>I have received two cyphers from you, Sir, one beginning +with No. 1, and ending with No. 1011. The other +beginning with Amsterdam, and ending with Provinces.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_5" id="Footnote_5"></a><a href="#FNanchor_5"><span class="label">[5]</span></a> The particulars of the ratification will be seen in M. Dumas's +Correspondence.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, June 9th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The enclosed, No. 121 of the <i>Politique Hollandais</i> +having translated a few sentences of mine, and the author +intending to insert more, as he has already inserted a good +deal of the same correspondence, I think it proper to +transmit you a short relation of it.</p> + +<p>In 1780, at Paris, a number of pamphlets of Mr Galloway's +were sent me from England. I wrote to a friend an +answer to them. He sent it to London to be published. +But whether the printers were afraid, or from what other +motive, I know not. I heard nothing of them until the +spring and summer of 1782, when some of them appeared +in print, in Parker's General Advertiser, under the title of +"<i>Letters from a distinguished American</i>," &c. but with +false dates.</p> + +<p>There are in those letters so many of the characteristic +features of the Provisional Treaty, of the 30th of November, +1782, that the publication of them in England, at the +time when they appeared, may be supposed to have contributed, +more or less, to propagate such sentiments as the +more private circulation of them before had suggested +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_36" id="Page_36">36</a></span> +to a few. And as they were written by one of your Ministers +at the conferences for peace, who repeated and extended +the same arguments to the British Ministers in the +course of the negotiation, it is proper that you should be +informed of them. Whether I have in any former letter +mentioned this subject, or not, I do not recollect. If I +have, I pray you to excuse the repetition.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, June 16th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Yesterday afternoon, the duplicate of your letter of the +14th of April, No. 16, was brought in to me, with the post-mark +"Brest" upon it. As soon as I had read it, I went +out to Passy, in hopes that other despatches had arrived +there, but I found none. While I was there, a packet of +newspapers addressed to us all was brought in, with the +post-mark of Brest on it. I still hope and believe, that +other despatches, by the same conveyance, will appear in +a few days, but whether they are still in the post office, or +whether the Duc de Lauzun intends to bring them in +person, is uncertain.</p> + +<p>I think, Sir, there is no room to doubt the justice of +your opinion, that the latitude of the Canaries is meant, +and, consequently, that hostilities ceased on the whole +coast of the United States on the 3d of March.</p> + +<p>I am well aware, that a variety of questions may be +started upon the provisional articles. The great points of +sovereignty, limits, and fisheries, are sufficiently clear. +But there are too many other things in much obscurity. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_37" id="Page_37">37</a></span> +No one of us alone would ever have put his hand to such +a writing. Yet there is no one to blame. It must be confessed, +that it was done in haste, but that haste was inevitable. +The peace depended absolutely upon the critical +moment, when that treaty was signed. The meeting of +Parliament was so near, and the state of the Ministry so +critical, that if that opportunity had been lost, there would +have been at least another campaign. There were never +less than three of us, and there were finally no less than +three to be consulted on the other side. These inaccuracies +are much to be lamented, but they were quite unavoidable. +We shall endeavor to explain them in the +definitive treaty, but I fear without success.</p> + +<p>I hope, Sir, you will excuse me, if I think your expressions +fall short of the real merit of the Dutch. If they +had accepted the Russian mediation for a separate peace, +we should have seen a very formidable difference. The +vast weight of the Dutch in the East Indies, being added +to that of France, has influenced the minds of the natives +in such a manner, as to turn the scale against England. +The Cape of Good Hope was indispensable to France, +and we are not yet informed what proportion of the expense +of French operations in the East Indies is to be +borne by the Dutch East India Company, at whose solicitations, +by their agents, sent early to Versailles, they were +undertaken. From twelve to fifteen British ships of the +line, in the best condition, with the best officers and men, +have been kept almost constantly in the North seas to +watch the Dutch, a momentous diversion, which made the +balance more clear in favor of the allies in the East and +West Indies, as well as in the Channel; and it may be +added, and that with strict truth, the battle of Doggerbank +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_38" id="Page_38">38</a></span> +imprinted more terror on the imaginations of the British +navy and nation, than all the other sea engagements of the +war.</p> + +<p>Your observations of their unfortunate situation are, +however, very just, and their exertions have not been such +as they might and ought to have been. But this was the +fault of the enemies of France in Holland, not of their +friends, and, unhappily, those enemies are to be gratified +by the terms of peace prescribed to that power, and those +friends mortified. And this misfortune probably arises +from the instructions in question, by which they made +themselves of no importance, instead of acting the part of a +sovereign, independent, and respectable power. If they +had held their own negotiations in their own hands, they +would probably have obtained better terms. I could mention +many facts and anecdotes of much importance; but +these have been communicated to me in confidence, and +as this is a discussion that concerns us only indirectly, and +as our instructions were parallel to theirs, although the execution +of them was different, and the event different, I +shall waive any further observations upon the subject.</p> + +<p>We are happy to learn, that Congress have ratified the +treaty, imperfect as it is, and that each side has released +its prisoners. Mr Hartley communicated to us officially, +two days ago, that orders were gone to New York to evacuate +the United States.</p> + +<p>Dr Franklin has never made any use of the bills for my +salary, and I have never received any part of them. I +shall easily settle that matter when I get home, which your +letter encourages me to hope will be very soon. The +connexions I have formed in Holland may be of use to +the public, wherever I may be, in America, or elsewhere, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_39" id="Page_39">39</a></span> +as well as even in that country itself. Those connexions +will readily become those of any Minister Congress may +send there. It cost me all my happiness, and had very +nearly cost me my life, to form them; it cost me more; it +has left me in an ill state of health, which I never shall fully +repair. I shall carry Holland in my veins to my grave. +It will cost no man anything to go there now. His mind +will be at ease, and he will have spirits necessary to take +care to preserve his health. To me it has become physically +necessary, as well as a moral and religious duty, to +join my family. This can be done only by going to them, +or bringing them to me; and to bring them to Holland is +what I cannot think of, both because, that on account of +my own health, as well as theirs, and on other considerations, +I should not choose to live among those putrid lakes, +and because I think I can do my country more and better +service at home than there.</p> + +<p>I will not disguise another motive, which would be altogether +insurmountable, if it were alone. I do not think +it consistent with the honor of the United States, any more +than with my own, for me to stay in Holland, after the +appointment of any other Minister whatsoever to the mission +upon which I came to Europe, and which has been +taken from me without assigning any reason. Congress +are the sovereign judges for themselves and the public of +the persons proper for all services, excepting that every +citizen is a sovereign judge for himself. I have never +adopted the principle, that it is a citizen's duty to accept +of any trust, that is pointed out to him, unless he approves +of it. On the contrary, I think it a right and a duty, that +no law of society can take away, for every man to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_40" id="Page_40">40</a></span> +judge for himself, whether he can serve consistently with +his own honor, and the honor and interest of the public.</p> + +<p>When the existence of our country and her essential +interests were at stake, it was a duty to run all risks, to +stifle every feeling, to sacrifice every interest, and this duty +I have discharged with patience and perseverance, and +with a success, that can be attributed only to Providence. +But in time of peace, the public in less danger abroad +than at home, knowing I can do more good at home, I +should do a very wrong thing to remove my family to stay +in Holland, merely for the sake of holding an honorable +commission, making and receiving bows, and compliments, +and eating splendid suppers at Court.</p> + +<p>There is one piece of advice I beg leave to offer to +the Minister who may go to Holland, respecting a future +loan of money. It is, to inquire whether the house of +Hope would undertake a loan for us, either in conjunction +with the houses who have the present one, or with any of +them, or alone. In my private opinion, which ought to be +kept as secret as possible, we might obtain a large loan in +that way, and that we cannot in any other. The people +in that interest have the money. I am not personally +known to that House, nor any one of them to me, but I +know they are all powerful in money matters, and I believe +they would engage.</p> + +<p>The happy turn given to the discontents of the army, by +the General, is consistent with his character, which, as you +observe, is above all praise, as every character is whose +rule and object are duty, not interest, nor glory, which I +think has been strictly true with the General from the beginning, +and I trust will continue to the end. May he long +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_41" id="Page_41">41</a></span> +live, and enjoy his reflections, and the confidence and +affections of a free, grateful, and virtuous people.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, June 23d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Your favor of the 14th of April, No. 16, acknowledged +the receipt of mine of the 21st and the 22d of January, +but took no notice of any letters, which went by Captain +Barney. Neither Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, nor myself have +any answer to the despatches, which went by this express; +although yours to me, No. 16, gave cause to expect letters +to us all, with instructions concerning the Definitive Treaty. +This profound silence of Congress, and the total darkness +in which we are left, concerning their sentiments, is very +distressing to us, and very dangerous and injurious to the +public.</p> + +<p>I see no prospect of agreeing upon any regulation of +commerce here. The present Ministry are afraid of +every knot of merchants. A clamor of an interested +party, more than an evil to their country, is their dread. +A few West India merchants, in opposition to the sense +and interest of the West India planters, are endeavoring to +excite an opposition to our carrying the produce of the +West India Islands from those islands to Europe, even to +Great Britain. There are also secret schemes to exclude +us, if they can, from the trade of Ireland, to possess themselves +of the carrying trade of the United States, by prohibiting +any American vessel to bring to Great Britain any +commodity but those of the State to which it belongs. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_42" id="Page_42">42</a></span> +Thus, a Philadelphia vessel can carry no tobacco, rice, or +indigo, nor a Carolina vessel wheat or flour, nor a Boston +vessel either, unless grown in its own State. In this way, +a superficial party think they can possess themselves of the +carriage of almost all the productions of the United States, +annihilate our navigation and nurseries of seamen, and +keep all to themselves more effectually than ever. They +talk too of discouraging the people of the United States, +and encouraging those of Canada and Nova Scotia, in +such a manner as to increase the population of those two +Provinces, even by migrations from the United States. +These are dreams, to be sure; but the dreamers are so +many, as to intimidate the present Ministry, who dare venture +upon nothing that will make a clamor. I have lately +heard, that the merchants in America are waiting to hear +the regulations of trade made here. They will wait, I +know not how long. There is no present prospect of our +agreeing at all upon any regulations of trade.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, June 23d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The British nation and Ministry are in a very unsettled +state; they find themselves in a new situation, and have +not digested any plan. Ireland is in a new situation; she +is independent of Parliament, and the English know not +how to manage her. To what an extent she will claim a +right of trading with the United States, is unknown. Canada +too, and Nova Scotia, are in a new situation; the +former, they say, must have a new government. But +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_43" id="Page_43">43</a></span> +what form to give them, and, indeed, what kind of government +they are capable of, or would be agreeable to them, +is uncertain. Nothing is digested.</p> + +<p>There is a party, composed probably of refugees, +friends of the old hostile system, and fomented by emissaries +of several foreign nations, who do not wish a cordial +reconciliation and sincere friendship between Great Britain +and the United States, who clamor for the conservation of +the navigation act, and the carrying trade. If these should +succeed so far as to excite Parliament or the Ministry to +adopt a contracted principle, to exclude us from the West +India trade, and from trading with Canada and Nova Scotia, +and from carrying freely, in vessels belonging to any +one of the Thirteen States, the production of any other to +Great Britain, the consequences may be to perplex us for +a time, may bind us closer to France, Spain, Holland, +Germany, Italy, and the northern nations, and thus be fatal +to Great Britain, without being finally very hurtful to us.</p> + +<p>The nations of Europe, who have islands in the West +Indies, have, at this moment, a delicate part to take. +Upon their present decisions, great things will depend. +The commerce of the West India Islands, is a part of the +American system of commerce. They can neither do +without us, nor we without them. The Creator has placed +us upon the globe in such a situation, that we have occasion +for each other. We have the means of assisting each +other, and politicians and artful contrivances cannot separate +us. Wise statesmen, like able artists of every kind, +study nature, and their works are perfect in proportion as +they conform to her laws. Obstinate attempts to prevent +the islands and the continent, by force or policy, from deriving +from each other those blessings, which nature has +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_44" id="Page_44">44</a></span> +enabled them to afford, will only put both to thinking of +means of coming together. And an injudicious regulation +at this time may lay a foundation for intimate combinations, +between the islands and the continent, which otherwise +would not be wished for, or thought of by either.</p> + +<p>If the French, Dutch, and Danes, have common sense, +they will profit of any blunder Great Britain may commit +upon this occasion. The ideas of the British cabinet and +merchants, at present, are so confused upon all these subjects, +that we can get them to agree to nothing. I still +think, that the best policy of the United States is, to send +a Minister to London to negotiate a treaty of commerce, +instructed to conclude nothing, not the smallest article, +until he has sent it to Congress, and received their approbation. +In the meantime, Congress may admit any British +or Irish ships, that have arrived, or may arrive, to +trade as they please.</p> + +<p>For my own part, I confess I would not advise Congress +to bind themselves to anything, that is not reasonable +and just. If we should agree to revive the trade upon the +old footing, it is the utmost that can, with a color of justice +or modesty, be requested of us. This is not equal, but +might be borne. Rather than go further, and deny ourselves +the freight from the West Indies to Europe, at least, +to Great Britain, especially rather than give away our own +carrying trade, by agreeing that the ships of one State +should not carry to Great Britain the produce of another, +I would be for entering into still closer connexions with +France, Spain, and Holland, and purchase of them, at the +expense of Great Britain, what she has not wisdom enough +to allow us for her own good.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_45" id="Page_45">45</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, June 24th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The gazettes of Europe still continue to be employed, +as the great engines of fraud and imposture to the good +people of America. Stockjobbers are not the only people, +who employ a set of scribblers to invent and publish falsehoods +for their own peculiar purposes. British and +French, as well as other politicians, entertain these fabricators +of paragraphs, who are stationed about in the various +cities of Europe, and take up each other's productions in +such a manner, that no sooner does a paragraph appear in +a French, Dutch, or English paper, but it is immediately +seized on, and reprinted in all the others; this is not all; +in looking over the American newspapers, I observe, +that nothing is seized on with so much avidity by the +American <i>nouvellists</i>, for republication in their gazettes, as +these political lies. I cannot attribute this merely to the +credulity of the printers, who have generally more discernment +than to be deceived. But I verily believe, there are +persons in every State employed to select out these things, +and get them reprinted.</p> + +<p>Sometimes the invention is so simple, as really to deceive. +Such, I doubt not, will be that of a long paragraph +in the English papers, all importing that Mr Hartley +had made a treaty of commerce with us, or was upon +the point of concluding one. Nothing is further from +the truth. We have not to this hour agreed upon one +proposition, nor do I see any probability that we shall at +all, respecting commerce.</p> + +<p>We have not, indeed, as yet, agreed upon a point respecting +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_46" id="Page_46">46</a></span> +the definitive treaty. We are waiting for those instructions +of yours, which you mentioned in yours of the +14th of April, which I have not yet received.</p> + +<p>Americans should be cautious of European newspapers, +as well as of their own; more so, indeed, because they +have not so much knowledge, and so good opportunities +to detect the former as the latter. There is a great number +of persons in Europe, who insert things in the papers +in order to make impressions in America. Characters are +in this way built up and pulled down, without the least +consideration of justice, and merely to answer sinister purposes, +sometimes extremely pernicious to the United +States.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, June 27th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Yesterday Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, and myself, met to +prepare the definitive treaty, and made so much progress +in it, that tomorrow we shall be ready to communicate to +Mr Hartley the result. But I have small hopes of obtaining +anything more by the definitive treaty.</p> + +<p>The Duke of Manchester, and Count d'Aranda have +arranged everything between England and Spain, and are +ready to finish for their two Courts. France, I presume, +waits only for Holland, or perhaps for some other negotiation +with the Imperial Courts. If all the other parties were +now to declare themselves ready, we should be puzzled. +In such a case, however, I am determined (and I believe, but +do not know, that my colleagues would join me) to declare +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_47" id="Page_47">47</a></span> +myself ready to sign the provisional treaty, <i>totidem verbis</i>, +for a definitive treaty.</p> + +<p>From all I can learn, I am persuaded we shall gain +nothing by any further negotiation. If we obtain anything +by way of addition or explanation, we shall be obliged to +give more for it than it is worth. If the British Minister +refuses to agree to such changes as we may think reasonable, +and refuses to sign the provisional articles as definitive +ones, I take it for granted, France will not sign till we +do. If they should they are still safe, for the provisional +articles are to constitute the treaty as soon as France has +made peace, and I should rather have it on that footing, +than make any material alteration.</p> + +<p>I have put these several cases, because I should be supprised +at nothing from the present British Ministry. If +they have any plan at all, it is a much less gracious one +towards America, than that of their immediate predecessors. +If Shelburne, Townshend, Pitt, &c. had continued, +we should have had everything settled long ago, to our entire +satisfaction, and to the infinite advantage of Great +Britain and America, in such a manner as would have +restored good humor and affection, as far as in the nature +of things they can now be restored.</p> + +<p>After the great point of acknowledging our independence +was got over, by issuing Mr Oswald's last commission, this +Shelburne administration conducted towards us like men +of sense and honor. The present administration have +neither discovered understanding nor sincerity. The present +British administration is unpopular, and it is in itself so +heterogeneous a composition, that it seems impossible it +should last long. Their present design seems to be not to +commit themselves by agreeing to anything. As soon as +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_48" id="Page_48">48</a></span> +anything is done, somebody will clamor. While nothing is +done, it is not known what to clamor about. If there +should be a change in favor of the Ministry that made the +peace, and a dissolution of this profligate league, which +they call the coalition, it would be much for the good of +all who speak the English language. If fame says true, +the coalition was formed at gambling tables, and is conducted +as it was formed, upon no other than gambling +principles.</p> + +<p>Such is the fate of a nation, which stands tottering on the +brink of a precipice, with a debt of two hundred and fiftysix +millions sterling on its shoulders; the interest of which, +added to the peace establishment only, exceeds by above +a million annually all their revenues, enormously and intolerably +as they are already taxed. The only chance they +have for salvation is in a reform, and in recovering the +affection of America. The last Ministry were sensible of +this, and acted accordingly. The present Ministry are so +far from being sensible of it, or caring about it, that they +seem to me to be throwing the last dice for the destruction +of their country.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, June 27th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>A few vessels have arrived in England from various +parts of America, and have probably made the Ministry, +merchants, and manufacturers less anxious about a present +arrangement of commerce. Whether these vessels have +rashly hazarded these voyages against the laws of their +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_49" id="Page_49">49</a></span> +country, or whether they have permission from Congress, +or their States, we are not informed.</p> + +<p>It would have been better, no doubt, to have had an +agreement made before the trade was opened, but the +eagerness of both sides may not easily be restrained. +Whether it is practicable for Congress to stop the trade, I +know not, or whether it would be expedient if practicable, +I doubt.</p> + +<p>The balance of parties in England is so nicely poised, +that the smallest weight shifts the scales. In truth nothing +can be done without changing the Ministry, for whatever is +done raises a cry sufficient to shake those who do it. In +this situation, it is a question whether it is best to keep +things in suspense, or bring them to a decision. If Congress +were to prohibit all trade with England, until a +Treaty of Commerce were made, or some temporary convention +at least, it might bring on a decision, by exciting a +cry against the Ministry for not making a convention. +But the moment a convention is made, a cry will be raised +against them for making it. The present Ministry, to judge +by their motions hitherto, will hazard the clamor for not +making one, rather than that for making one. They think +it least dangerous to them, especially since they have seen +so many American vessels arrive in England, and have +heard, that British ships are admitted to an entry in the +ports of America, particularly Philadelphia.</p> + +<p>The most difficult thing to adjust in a Treaty of Commerce, +will be the communications we shall have with the +West India Islands. This is of great importance to us, +and to the islands, and I think to Great Britain too. Yet +there is a formidable party for excluding us at least from +carrying the produce of those islands to Great Britain. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_50" id="Page_50">50</a></span></p> + +<p>Much will depend upon the Minister you first send to +London. An American Minister would be a formidable +person to any British Minister whatever. He would converse +with all parties, and if he is a prudent, cautious man, +he would at this moment have more influence there than +you can imagine.</p> + +<p>We are chained here on the only spot in the world, +where we can be of no use. If my colleagues were of +my mind, we would all go together to London, where we +could negotiate the Definitive Treaty, and talk of arrangements +of commerce to some purpose. However, one +Minister in London, with proper instructions, would do +better than four. He would have the artifices of French +emissaries to counteract, as well as English partizans; for +you may depend upon it, the French see with pleasure the +improbability of our coming soon and cordially together, as +they saw with manifest regret, the appearances of cordial +reconciliation under the former administration. These +sentiments are not unnatural, but we are under no obligation, +from mere complaisance, to sacrifice interests of such +deep and lasting consequence. For it is not merely mercantile +profit and convenience, that is at stake; future wars, +long and bloody wars, may be either avoided or entailed +upon our posterity, as we conduct wisely or otherwise the +present negotiation with Great Britain.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_51" id="Page_51">51</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 3d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On the last Ambassador's day, which was last Tuesday, +Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, and myself waited on the Count de +Vergennes, who told us, he thought he had agreed with +the Duke of Manchester, but that his Grace had not yet +received the positive approbation of his Court. The +Count advised us to make a visit altogether to the Ambassadors +of the two Imperial Courts. Accordingly, yesterday +morning we went, first to the Count de Mercy Argenteau, +the Ambassador of the Emperor of Germany, and +King of Hungary and Bohemia. His Excellency was +not at home, so we left our card.</p> + +<p>We went next to the Prince Bariatinski, Minister Plenipotentiary +from the Court of Russia; our servant asked +if the Prince was at home, and received for answer, that +he was. We were shown into the Prince's apartment, +who received us very politely. While we were here, Mr +Markoff came in. He also is a Minister Plenipotentiary, +adjoined to the Prince in the affair of the mediation. I +told him we proposed to do ourselves the honor of calling +on him. He answered, "As you are an old acquaintance +I shall be very happy to see you." Whether this was +a turn of politeness, or whether it was a political distinction, +I know not. We shall soon know, by his returning, +or not returning, our visit. The Prince asked where +I lodged, and I told him. This indicates an intention to +return the visit.</p> + +<p>We went next to the Dutch Ambassador's, M. de Berkenrode. +He was not at home, or not visible. Next to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_52" id="Page_52">52</a></span> +the Baron de Blome, Envoy Extraordinary of the King of +Denmark; not at home. Next to M. Markoff's. The +porter answered, that he was at home. We alighted, and +were going to his apartment, when we were told he was +not come in. We left a card, and went to the other Dutch +Ambassador's, M. Brantzen, who was not at home; <i>en +passant</i>, we left a card at the Swedish Minister's, and returned +home, the heat being too excessive to pursue our +visits any further.</p> + +<p>Thus, we have made visits to all the Ministers, who are +to be present at the signature of the definitive treaty. +Whether the Ministers of the Imperial Courts will be present, +I know not. There are many appearances of a coldness +between France and Russia, and the Emperor seems +to waver between two opinions, whether to join in the +war that threatens, or not. Perhaps the Ministers of the +Imperial Courts will write for instructions whether to return +or not our visit.</p> + +<p>After I had begun this letter, Captain Barney came in, +and delivered me your duplicate of No. 12, November the +6th, 1782; duplicate of No. 14, December the 19th, +1782, and triplicate of No. 16, April the 14th, 1783, and +the original of your letter of the 18th of April, 1783, not +numbered. The last contained my account. But as I +have never received any of this money from Dr Franklin, +or M. Gerard, but have my salary from Messrs Willinks & +Co. at Amsterdam, I am extremely sorry you have had so +much trouble with this affair.</p> + +<p>Although in your later letters you say nothing of my +resignation, or the acceptance of it, I expect to receive it +soon, and then I shall have an opportunity to settle the +affair of my salary at Philadelphia. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_53" id="Page_53">53</a></span></p> + +<p>After reading your letters to me, I went out to Passy to +see those addressed to us all. Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, and +myself, (Mr Laurens being still in England) read them all +over together. We shall do all in our power to procure +the advantages in the definitive treaty, you mention. The +state of parties is such in England, that it is impossible to +foresee when there will be a Ministry, who will dare to +take any step at all. The coalition between Lord North +and his connexions, and Mr Fox and his, is a rope of sand. +Mr Fox, by pushing the vote in the House of Commons +disapproving the peace, and by joining so many of the old +Ministers in the new administration, has justly excited so +many jealousies of his sincerity, that no confidence can be +placed in him by us. I am extremely sorry, that the most +amiable men in the nation, Portland, and the Cavendishes, +should have involved themselves in the same reproach.</p> + +<p>In short, at present, Shelburne, Pitt, Townshend, and +the administration of which they were members, seem to +have been the only ones, who, for a moment, had just +notions of their country and ours. Whether these men, if +now called to power, would pursue their former ideas, I +know not. The Bible teaches us not to put our trust in +Princes, and <i>à fortiori</i> in Ministers of State.</p> + +<p>The West India commerce now gives us most anxiety. +If the former British Ministry had stood, we might have +secured it from England, and, in that case, France would +have been obliged to admit us to their islands, <i>se defendendo</i>. +The first maxim of a statesman, as well as that of +a statuary, or a painter, should be to study nature; to cast +his eyes round about his country, and see what advantages +nature has given it. This was well attended to, in the +boundary between the United States and Canada, and in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_54" id="Page_54">54</a></span> +the fisheries. The commerce of the West India Islands, +falls necessarily into the natural system of the commerce +of the United States. We are necessary to them and +they to us; and there will be a commerce between us. +If the government forbid it, it will be carried on clandestinely; +France can more easily connive at a contraband +trade than England. But we ought to wish to avoid the +temptation to this. I believe, that neither France nor England +will allow us to transport the productions of their +Islands to other parts of Europe.</p> + +<p>The utmost we may hope to obtain would be permission +to import the productions of the French Islands into +France, giving bond to land them in some port of that +kingdom, and the productions of the English Islands into +some port of Great Britain, giving bonds to land them +there. It must, however, be the care of the Minister, who +may have to negotiate a treaty of commerce with Great +Britain, to obtain as ample freedom in this trade as +possible.</p> + +<p>While I was writing the above, my servant announced +the Imperial Ambassador, whom I rose to receive. He +said, that he was happy that the circumstances of the times +afforded him an opportunity of forming an acquaintance +with me, which he hoped would be improved into a more +intimate one. I said, his Excellency did me great honor, +and begged him to sit, which he did, and fell into a conversation +of an hour. We ran over a variety of subjects, +particularly the commerce which might take place between +the United States and Germany, by the way of Trieste +and Fiume, and the Austrian Netherlands, and the great +disposition in Germany to migration to America. He +says he knows the country round about Trieste very well, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_55" id="Page_55">55</a></span> +having an estate there; that it is a very extensive and a +very rich country, which communicates with that maritime +city, and that the navigation of the Adriatic sea, though +long, is not dangerous. I asked him what we should do +with the Barbary powers. He said, he thought all the +powers of the world ought to unite in the suppression of +such a detestable race of pirates, and that the Emperor had +lately made an insinuation to the Porte upon the subject. +I asked him if he thought France and England would +agree to such a project, observing that I had heard that +some Englishmen had said, "if there were no Algiers, +England ought to build one." He said, he could not +answer for England.</p> + +<p>It is unnecessary to repeat any more of the conversation, +which turned upon the frugal and industrious character of +the Germans, the best cultivators in Europe, and the dishonorable +traffic of some of the German Princes in men, a +subject he introduced and enlarged on himself. I said +nothing about it. Rising up to take leave, he repeated +several compliments he had made when he first came in, +and added, "The Count de Vergennes will do me the +honor to dine with me one of these days, and I hope to +have that of your company. We will then speak of an +affair upon which the Count de Vergennes and you have +already conversed."</p> + +<p>This shows there is something in agitation, but what it +is I cannot conjecture; whether it is to induce us to make +the compliment to the two Imperial Courts to sign the +definitive treaty as mediators, whether there is any project +of an association for the liberty of navigation, or whether it +is any other thing, I cannot guess at present, but I will +write you as soon as I know. Whatever it is, we must +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_56" id="Page_56">56</a></span> +treat it with respect, but we shall be very careful how we +engage our country in measures of consequence without +being clear of our powers, and without the instructions of +Congress.</p> + +<p>I went out to Passy, and found from Mr Jay, that he +had made his visit there, in the course of the day, but had +said nothing to Dr Franklin or him about the dinner with +the Count de Vergennes. In the course of the day, I had +visits from the Prince Bariatinski and M. de Markoff, the +two Ministers of the Empress of Russia. The porter told +these gentlemen's servants, that I was at home, but they +did not come up, but only sent up their cards.</p> + +<p>While I was gone to Passy, Monsieur de Blome, Envoy +Extraordinary from the King of Denmark, called and left +his card. Thus the point of etiquette seems to be settled, +and we are to be treated in character by all the Powers of +Europe.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT MORRIS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 5th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Your favors of the 12th and 29th of May were delivered +to me on the 3d of this month by Captain Barney. +Every assistance, in my power, shall be given to Mr Barclay. +Mr Grand will write you the amount of all the bills +which have been paid in Holland, which were accepted by +me. You may banish your fears of a double payment of +any one bill. I never accepted a bill without taking down +in writing a very particular description of it, nor without +examining the book, to see whether it had been accepted +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_57" id="Page_57">57</a></span> +before. I sent regularly, in the time of it, copies of these +acceptances to Dr Franklin, and I have now asked him to +lend them to me, that I may copy them and send them to +you. The Doctor has promised to look up my letters, and +let me have them. The originals are at the Hague, with +multitudes of other papers, which I want every day.</p> + +<p>Among the many disagreeable circumstances attending +my duty in Europe, it is not the least, that instead of being +fixed to any one station, I have been perpetually danced +about from "post to pillar," unable to have my books and +papers with me, unable to have about me the conveniences +of a house-keeper for health, pleasure, or business, but yet +subjected in many articles to double expenses.</p> + +<p>Mr Livingston has not informed me of any determination +of Congress upon my letter to you of the 17th of November, +which distresses me much on Mr Thaxter's account, +who certainly merits more than he has received, or can receive, +without the favor of Congress.</p> + +<p>I thank you, Sir, most affectionately for your kind congratulation +on the peace. Our late enemies always clamor +against a peace, but this one is better for them than they +had reason to expect after so mad a war. Our countrymen +too, I suppose, are not quite satisfied. This thing and +that thing should have been otherwise, no doubt. If any +man blames us I wish him no other punishment than to +have, if that were possible, just such another peace to negotiate, +exactly in our situation. I cannot look back upon this +event without the most affecting sentiments, when I consider +the number of nations concerned, the complications of interests, +extending all over the globe, the characters of actors, +the difficulties which attended every step of the progress, +how everything labored in England, France, Spain, and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_58" id="Page_58">58</a></span> +Holland, that the armament at Cadiz was upon the point +of sailing, which would have rendered another campaign +inevitable, that another campaign would have probably +involved France in a continental war, as the Emperor +would in that case have joined Russia against the Porte; +that the British Ministry was then in so critical a situation, +that its duration for a week or a day depended upon its +making peace; that if that Ministry had been changed, it +could have been succeeded only either by North and +Company, or by the coalition; that it is certain, that +neither North and Company, nor the coalition, would have +made peace upon any terms, that either we or the other +Powers would have agreed to; and that all these difficulties +were dissipated by one decided step of the British +and American Ministers. I feel too strongly a gratitude to +Heaven for having been conducted safely through the +storm, to be very solicitous whether we have the approbation +of mortals or not.</p> + +<p>A delay of one day might, and probably would, have +changed the Ministry in England, in which case all would +have been lost. If, after we had agreed with Mr Oswald, +we had gone to Versailles to show the result to the Count +de Vergennes, you would have been this moment at war, +and God knows how or when you would have got out. +What would have been the course? The Count de Vergennes +would have sprinkled us with compliments, the +holy water of a Court. He would have told us; "you +have done, gentlemen, very well for your country. You +have gained a great deal. I congratulate you upon it, but +you must not sign till we are ready; we must sign altogether +here in this room." What would have been our +situation? We must have signed against this advice, as +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_59" id="Page_59">59</a></span> +Mr Laurens says he would have done, and as I believe Mr +Jay and I should have done, which would have been the +most marked affront, that could have been offered, or we +must have waited for France and Spain, which would have +changed the Ministry in England, and lost the whole peace, +as certainly as there is a world in being. When a few +frail vessels are navigating among innumerable mountains +of ice, driven by various winds, and drawn by various currents, +and a narrow crevice appears to one, by which all +may escape, if that one improves the moment and sets the +example, it will not do to stand upon ceremonies, and ask, +which shall go first, or that all may go together.</p> + +<p>I hope you will excuse this little excursion, and believe +me to be, with great respect and esteem, your most obedient +and most humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 7th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>We cannot as yet obtain from Mr Hartley, or his principals, +an explicit consent to any one proposition whatever. +Yet England and France, and England and Spain are +probably agreed, and Holland, I suppose, must comply. +Our last resource must be to say, we are ready to sign +the Provisional Treaty, <i>totidem verbis</i>, as the Definitive +Treaty.</p> + +<p>I think it is plain, that the British Ministry do not intend +to sign any treaty till Parliament rises. There are such +dissensions in the Cabinet, that they apprehend a treaty +laid before Parliament, if it did not obtain advantages, of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_60" id="Page_60">60</a></span> +which they have no hope, would furnish materials to overthrow +them. A new administration is talked of, under +Lord Temple. The West India commerce is now the +object, that interests us the most nearly. At dinner with +the Duc de la Vauguyon, on Saturday last, he told me, +that he believed the commerce between the French West +India Islands and the United States, would be confined +to ships built in France, and navigated by French seamen.</p> + +<p>"So then, M. le Duc," said I, laughing, "you have +adopted the ideas of the British navigation act. But suppose +the United States should adopt them too, and make a +law, that no commerce should be carried on with any West +India Islands, French, English, Spanish, Dutch, or Danish, +but in ships built in America, and navigated with American +seamen? We can import sugar from Europe. But +give me leave to tell you, that this trade can never be carried +on without a great number of seamen, which the +French vessels being all large require, and your navigators +are too slow. The trade itself was only profitable to us +as a system, and little vessels, with a few hands, run away +at any season of the year, from any creek or river, with a +multitude of little articles, collected in haste. Your merchants +and mariners have neither the patience to content +themselves with much and long labor, and dangerous voyages +for small profits, nor have they the economy, nor can +they navigate vessels with so few hands." "Aye, but we +think," said the Duke, "if we do not try, we shall never +learn to do these things as well and as cheap as you." +The Duke told me, some days before, that he had had a +great deal of conversation with the Count de Vergennes, +and he found he had a great many good ideas of commerce. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_61" id="Page_61">61</a></span> +The Count himself told me a few weeks ago, "in +our regulations of the commerce between our Islands and +you, we must have regard to our shipping, and our nurseries +of seamen for our marine; for," said he, smiling +politely enough, "without a marine, we cannot go to your +succor."</p> + +<p>In short, France begins to grow, for a moment, avaricious +of navigation and seamen. But it is certain, that +neither the form of government, nor the national character, +can possibly admit of great success in it. Navigation is so +dangerous a business, and requires so much patience, and +produces so little profit among nations who understand it +best, and have the best advantages for it, where property +is most secure, lawsuits soonest and cheapest ended, (and +by fixed certain laws,) that the French can never interfere +much with the Dutch, or Americans, in ship building or +carrying trade. If any French merchants ever begin to +carry on this commerce, between America and the Islands, +they will break to pieces very soon, and then some new +plan must be adopted. The English, for aught I know, +will make a similar law, that the communications between +us and their Islands shall be carried on in British built +ships, or ships built in Canada or Nova Scotia, and navigated +by British seamen. In this case, we must try what +we can do with the Dutch and Danes. But the French +and English will endeavor to persuade them to the same +policy, for the Duc de la Vauguyon told me, that he +thought it a common tie (<i>lien commun</i>.) In this they will +not succeed, and we must make the most we can of the +Dutch friendship, for luckily, the merchants and Regency +of Amsterdam had too much wit to exclude us from their +Islands by the treaty. Happily, Congress will have a +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_62" id="Page_62">62</a></span> +Dutch Minister, with whom they may consult upon this +matter, as well as any others, but I should think it would +not be convenient to invite an English or French Minister +to be present at the consultation.</p> + +<p>I am at a loss, Sir, to guess what propositions made to +us Congress have been informed of, which they had not +learned from us. None have been made to us. The Dutch +Ambassadors did once propose a meeting to us, and had it +at my house. Dr Franklin came, but Mr Jay did not, +and Mr Laurens was absent. The Ambassadors desired +to know, whether we had power to enter into any engagements, +provided France, Spain, and Holland, should agree +to any, in support of the armed neutrality. We showed +them the resolution of Congress, of the 5th of October, +1780, and told them, that Mr Dana had been since vested +with a particular commission to the same effect. We +never heard anything further about it.</p> + +<p>Not seeing, at the time, any probability that anything +would come of this, nor intending to do anything of any +consequence in it, if we should hear further of it, without +the further orders of Congress, we did not think it necessary +to write anything about it, at least, till it should put on +a more serious appearance. If the Count de Mercy's dinner, +to which we are to be invited, with the Count de +Vergennes, should produce any insinuations on this subject, +(which I do not, however, expect) we shall inform +you, and request the orders of Congress.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_63" id="Page_63">63</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 9th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Since the dangerous fever I had in Amsterdam, two +years ago, I have never enjoyed my health. Through the +whole of the last winter and spring, I have suffered under +weaknesses and pains, which have scarcely permitted me +to do business. The excessive heats of the last week or +two have brought on me a fever again, which exhausts me +in such a manner, as to be very discouraging, and incapacitates +one for everything. In short, nothing but a return +to America will ever restore my health, if even that +should do it.</p> + +<p>In these circumstances, however, we have negotiations +to go through, and your despatches to answer. The liberal +sentiments in England respecting the trade are all +lost for the present, and we can get no answer to anything. +It is the same thing with the Dutch. One of the Dutch +Ambassadors told me yesterday at Versailles, that now, +for five weeks, the English had never said one word to +them, nor given them any answer. These things indicate, +that the Ministry do not think themselves permanent.</p> + +<p>The Count de Vergennes asked Dr Franklin and me, +yesterday, if we had made our visits. We answered, +that we had, and that they had been promptly returned. +"The thing in agitation," says the Count, "is for you to +determine whether your definitive treaty shall be signed +under the mediation of the two Imperial Courts, or not. +Ours and the Spanish treaty with England are to be so +finished, and if you determine in favor of it, you have +only to write a letter to the Ministers of the Imperial +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_64" id="Page_64">64</a></span> +Courts, who are here." I told him, in the present case, +I did not know what a mediation meant. He smiled, +but did not seem to know any better than I; at least, +he did not explain it. We told him we would determine +upon it soon.</p> + +<p>How we shall determine, I cannot say. For my own +part, I see no harm in accepting the mediation, nor any +other good, than a compliment to the two empires. In +Europe it may be thought an honor to us, and, therefore, +I shall give my voice, as at present informed, in favor of it, +as it seems rather to be the inclination of the Count de +Vergennes that we should.</p> + +<p>Your late despatches, Sir, are not well adapted to give +spirits to a melancholy man, or to cure one sick with a +fever. It is not possible for me, at present, to enter into a +long detail in answer to them. You will be answered, I +suppose, by all the gentlemen jointly. In the meantime, I +beg leave to say to you a few words upon two points.</p> + +<p>1st. The separate article never appeared to me of any +consequence to conceal from this Court. It was an agreement +we had a right to make; it contained no injury to +France or Spain. Indeed, I know not what France has, +or ever had, to do with it. If it had been communicated +to this Court, it would probably have been communicated +to Spain, and she might have thought more about it than +it was worth. But how you could conceive it possible for +us to treat at all with the English, upon supposition, that +we had communicated every, the minutest thing, to this +Court, when this Court were neither obliged, nor thought +proper, to communicate anything whatever to us, I know +not. We were bound by treaty no more than they to +communicate. The instructions were found to be absolutely +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_65" id="Page_65">65</a></span> +impracticable. That they were too suddenly published, +is very true.</p> + +<p>2dly. A communication of the treaty to this Court, after +it was agreed upon, and before it was signed, would have +infallibly prevented the whole peace. In the first place, +it was very doubtful, or rather, on the contrary, it is certain, +the English Minister never would have consented that +we should have communicated it. We might, it is true, +have done it without his consent or knowledge; but what +would have been the consequence? The French Minister +would have said, the terms were very good for us, but we +must not sign till they signed; and this would have been +the continuance of the war for another year, at least. It +was not so much from an apprehension, that the French +would have exerted themselves to get away from us terms +that were agreed on, that they were withheld. It was +then too late, and we have reasons to apprehend, that all +of this kind had been done, which could be done. We +knew they were often insinuating to the British Ministers +things against us, respecting the fisheries, tories, &c. during +the negotiation, and Mr Fitzherbert told me, that the +Count de Vergennes had "fifty times reproached him for +ceding the fisheries, and said it was ruining the English +and French commerce both." It was not suspicion, it +was certain knowledge, that they were against us on the +points of the tories, fisheries, Mississippi, and the western +country.</p> + +<p>All this knowledge, however, did not influence us to +conceal the treaty. We did not, in fact, conceal it. Dr +Franklin communicated the substance of it to the Count and +M. de Rayneval. So did I. In a long conversation with +the Count and M. de Rayneval together, I told them the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_66" id="Page_66">66</a></span> +substance of what was agreed upon, and what we further +insisted on, and the English then disputed. But the signing +before them is the point. This we could not have done, +if we had shown the treaty, and told them we were +ready. The Count would certainly have said to us, you +must not sign till we sign. To have signed after this +would have been more disagreeable to him, and to us too. +Yet we must have signed or lost the peace. The peace +depended on a day.</p> + +<p>Parliament had been waiting long, and once prorogued. +The Minister was so pressed, he could not have met Parliament +and kept his place, without an agreement upon +terms, at least, with America. If we had not signed, the +Ministry would have been changed, and the coalition come +in, and the whole world knows the coalition would not +have made peace upon the present terms, and, consequently, +not at all this year. The iron was struck in the +few critical moments when it was of a proper heat, and has +been moulded into a handsome vessel. If it had been +suffered to cool, it would have flown in pieces like glass. +Our countrymen have great reason to rejoice, that they +have obtained so good a peace, when, and as they did. +With the present threatening appearances of a northern +war, which will draw in France, if our peace was still to +be made we might find cause to tremble for many great +advantages, that are now secured. I believe the Count +himself, if he were now to speak his real sentiments, would +say, he is very glad we signed when we did, and that without +asking his consent.</p> + +<p>The Duc de la Vauguyon told me and M. Brantzen +together, last Saturday, "if you had not signed when you +did, we should not have signed when we did." If they +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_67" id="Page_67">67</a></span> +had not signed when they did, d'Estaing would have sailed +from Cadiz, and in that case nobody would have signed +to this day. It is not possible for men to be in more disagreeable +circumstances than we were. We are none of +us men of principles or dispositions to take pleasure in +going against your sentiments, Sir, much less those of +Congress. But in this case, if we had not done it, our +country would have lost advantages beyond computation.</p> + +<p>On Monday, Sir, we pursued our visits, and today we +finish. Yesterday at Court all the foreign Ministers behaved +to us without reserve, as members of the <i>Corps Diplomatique</i>, +so that we shall no longer see those lowering +countenances, solemn looks, distant bows, and other peculiarities, +which have been sometimes diverting, and sometimes +provoking, for so many years.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 10th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>In the present violent heat of the weather, and feverish +state of my health, I cannot pretend to sit long at my pen, +and must pray you to accept of a few short hints only.</p> + +<p>To talk in a general style of confidence in the French +Court, &c. is to use a general language, which may mean +almost anything, or almost nothing. To a certain degree, +and as far as the treaties and engagements extend, I have +as much confidence in the French Court as Congress has, +or even as you, Sir, appear to have. But if, by confidence +in the French Court is meant an opinion, that the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_68" id="Page_68">68</a></span> +French Office of Foreign Affairs would be advocates with +the English for our rights to the fisheries, or to the Mississippi +river, or our Western Territory, or advocates to +persuade the British Ministers to give up the cause of the +refugees, and make Parliamentary provision for them, I +own I have no such confidence, and never had. Seeing +and hearing what I have seen and heard, I must have +been an idiot to have entertained such confidence, I should +be more of a Machiavelian, or a Jesuit, than I ever was, +or will be, to counterfeit it to you, or to Congress.</p> + +<p>M. Marbois' letter is to me full proof of the principles +of the Count de Vergennes. Why? Because I know, +(for it was personally communicated to me upon my passage +home, by M. Marbois himself,) the intimacy and confidence +there is between these two. And I know further, +that letter contains sentiments concerning the fisheries, +diametrically opposite to those, which Marbois repeatedly +expressed to me upon the passage, viz. "That the Newfoundland +fishery was our right, and we ought to maintain +it." From whence I conclude, M. Marbois' sentiments +have been changed by the instructions of the Minister. To +what purpose is it where this letter came from? Is it less +genuine, whether it came from Philadelphia, Versailles, or +London? What if it came through English hands? Is +there less weight, less evidence in it for that? Are the +sentiments more just, or more friendly to us for that?</p> + +<p>M. de Rayneval's correspondence too with Mr Jay. +M. de Rayneval is a <i>Chef de Bureau</i>. But we must be +very ignorant of all Courts not to know that an Under +Secretary of State dares not carry on such a correspondence +without the knowledge, consent, and orders of the +principal. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_69" id="Page_69">69</a></span></p> + +<p>There is another point now in agitation, in which the +French will never give us one good word. On the contrary, +they will say everything they can think of to persuade +the English to deprive us of the trade of their West +India Islands. They have already, with their emissaries, +been the chief cause of the change of sentiment in London +on this head against us. In general they see with +pain every appearance of returning real and cordial friendship, +such as may be permanent between us and Great +Britain. On the contrary, they see with pleasure every +seed of contention between us. The tories are an excellent +engine of mischief between us, and are, therefore, +very precious.</p> + +<p>Exclusion from the West India Islands will be another. +I hold it to be the indispensable duty of my station, not +to conceal from Congress these truths. Do not let us be +dupes, under the idea of being grateful. Innumerable +anecdotes happen daily to show, that these sentiments are +general. In conversation, a few weeks ago, with the Duc +de la Vauguyon, upon the subject of the West India trade, +I endeavored to convince him, that France and England +both ought to admit us freely to their islands. He entered +into a long argument to prove, that both ought to exclude +us. At last, I said, the English were a parcel of sots to +exclude us, for the consequence would be, that in fifteen or +twenty years we should have another war with them. +"<i>Tant mieux! tant mieux! je vous en felicite</i>," cried the +Duke, with great pleasure. "<i>Tant mieux pour nous</i>," +said I, because we shall conquer from the English in that +case all their islands, the inhabitants of which would now +declare for us, if they dared. But it will not be the +better for the English. They will be the dupes, if they +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_70" id="Page_70">70</a></span> +lay a foundation for it. "Yes," said the Duke, "I believe +you will have another war with the English." And in this +wish he expressed the vows of every Frenchman upon the +face of the earth. If, therefore, we have it in contemplation +to avoid a future war with the English, do not let +us have too much confidence in the French, that they will +favor us in this view.<a name="FNanchor_6" id="FNanchor_6" href="#Footnote_6" class="fnanchor">[6]</a></p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_6" id="Footnote_6" href="#FNanchor_6"><span class="label">[6]</span></a> See a letter from Dr Franklin, containing remarks on Mr +Adams's opinions of the policy and designs of the French Court, +dated July the 22d, 1783. <i>Franklin's Correspondence</i>, Vol. IV. p. +138. Also a letter from Mr Laurens, Vol. II. p. 486.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT MORRIS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 10th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Upon the receipt of the despatches by Barney, I sent +off your letters for Messrs Willinks & Co. and I received +last night an answer to the letter I wrote them upon the +occasion. They have engaged to remit Mr Grand a million +and a half of livres in a month, which has relieved Mr +Grand from his anxiety.</p> + +<p>This Court has refused to Dr Franklin any more +money. They are apprehensive of being obliged to take +a part in the northern war, and their own financiers have +not enough of the confidence of the public to obtain money +for their own purposes.</p> + +<p>Your design of sending cargoes of tobacco and other +things to Amsterdam, to Messrs Willinks & Co. is the +best possible to support our credit there. The more you +send, the more money will be obtained. Send a Minister +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_71" id="Page_71">71</a></span> +too; residing there, he may promote it much. It is a misfortune, +that I have not been able to be there, but this +post cannot be deserted. Instruct your Minister to inquire +whether the House of Hope could be persuaded to engage +with Willinks in a new loan. This should be done with +secrecy and discretion. If that House would undertake it, +you would find money enough for your purpose, for I rely +upon it, the States will adopt a plan immediately for the +effectual payment of interest. This is indispensable. The +foundation of a happy government can only be laid in +justice; and as soon as the public shall see, that provision +is made for this, you will no longer want money.</p> + +<p>It is a maxim among merchants and monied men, that +"every man has credit who does not want it." It is +equally true of States. We shall want it but little longer, +if the States make provision for the payment of interest, +and therefore we shall have enough of it. There is not a +country in the world whose credit ought to be so good, +because there is none equally able to pay.</p> + +<p>Enclosed is a pamphlet of Dr Price's, for your comfort. +You will see by it, that the only nation we have reason to +fear wants credit so much, that she is not likely to have +it always, and this is our security. By some hints from +Mr Hartley, he will probably return to London, and not +be here again. The present Ministry is so undecided and +feeble, that it is at least doubtful whether they will make +the definitive treaty of peace.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_72" id="Page_72">72</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT MORRIS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 11th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>In my letter to you of yesterday, I hinted in confidence, +at an application to the house of Hope. This is a very +delicate measure. I was induced to think of it merely by +a conversation which M. Van Berckel, (who will soon be +with you, as he sailed the 26th of June from the Texel,) +had with M. Dumas. It would be better to be steady to +the three Houses already employed, if that is possible. +You will now be able to converse freely with that Minister +upon the subject. I should not advise you to take any decisive +resolution at Philadelphia, but leave it to your Minister +to act as shall appear to him best upon the spot. The +Houses now employed are well esteemed, and I hope +will do very well. But no House in the Republic has +the force of that of Hope.</p> + +<p>All depends, however, upon the measures to be taken +by Congress and the States for ascertaining their debts, +and a regular discharge of the interest. The ability of the +people to make such an establishment cannot be doubted; +and the inclination of no man who has a proper sense of +public honor can be called in question. The Thirteen +States, in relation to the discharge of the debts of Congress, +must consider themselves as one body animated by one +soul. The stability of our confederation at home, our +reputation abroad, our power of defence, the confidence +and affection of the people of one State towards those of +another, all depend upon it. Without a sacred regard to +public justice no society can exist; it is the only tie which +can unite men's minds and hearts in pursuit of the common +interest. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_73" id="Page_73">73</a></span></p> + +<p>The commerce of the world is now open to us, and our +exports and imports are of so large amount, and our connexions +will be so large and extensive, that the least stain +upon our character in this respect will lose us in a very +short time advantages of greater pecuniary value than all +our debt amounts to. The moral character of our people +is of infinitely greater worth than all the sums in question. +Every hesitation, every uncertainty about paying or receiving +a just debt, diminishes that sense of moral obligation +of public justice, which ought to be kept pure, and +carefully cultivated in every American mind. Creditors at +home and abroad, the army, the navy, every man who has +a well founded claim upon the public, have an unalienable +right to be satisfied, and this by the fundamental principles +of society. Can there ever be content and satisfaction? +Can there ever be peace and order? Can there ever be +industry or decency without it? To talk of a sponge to +wipe out this debt, or of reducing or diminishing it below +its real value, in a country so abundantly able to pay the +last farthing, would betray a total ignorance of the first +principles of national duty and interest.</p> + +<p>Let us leave these odious speculations to countries that +can plead a necessity for them, and where corruption has +arrived at its last stages; where infamy is scarcely felt, +and wrong may as well assume one shape as another, +since it must prevail in some.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_74" id="Page_74">74</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 11th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>As there are certain particulars, in which it has appeared +to me, that the friendship of a French Minister has +been problematical, at least, or rather, not to exist at all, I +have freely mentioned them to Congress; because I hold +it to be the first duty of a public Minister, in my situation, +to conceal no important truth of this kind from his masters.</p> + +<p>But ingratitude is an odious vice, and ought to be held +in detestation by every American citizen. We ought to +distinguish, therefore, between those points, for which we +are not obliged to our allies, from those in which we are.</p> + +<p>I think, then, we are under no particular obligations of +gratitude to them for the fisheries, the boundaries, exemption +from the tories, or for the progress of our negotiations +in Europe.</p> + +<p>We are under obligations of gratitude, for making the +treaty with us when they did; for those sums of money, +which they have generously given us, and for those, even, +which they have lent us, which I hope we shall punctually +pay, and be thankful still for the loan; for the fleet and +army they sent to America, and for all the important services +they did. By other mutual exertions, a dangerous +rival to them, and I may be almost warranted in saying, an +imperious master, both to them and us, has been brought +to reason, and put out of the power to do harm to either. +In this respect, however, our allies are more secure than +we. The House of Bourbon has acquired a great accession +of strength, while their hereditary enemy has been +weakened one half, and incurably crippled. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_75" id="Page_75">75</a></span></p> + +<p>The French are, besides, a good natured and humane +nation, very respectable in arts, letters, arms, and commerce, +and, therefore, motives of interest, honor, and +convenience, join themselves to those of friendship and +gratitude, to induce us to wish for the continuance of their +friendship and alliance. The Provinces of Canada and +Nova Scotia in the hands of the English are a constant +warning to us to have a care of ourselves, and, therefore, +a continuance of the friendship and alliance of France is of +importance to our tranquillity, and even to our safety. +There is nothing, which will have a greater effect to overawe +the English, and induce them to respect us and our +rights, than the reputation of a good understanding with the +French. My voice and advice will, therefore, always be +for discharging, with the utmost fidelity, gratitude, and +exactness, every obligation we are under to France, and +for cultivating her friendship and alliance by all sorts of +good offices. But I am sure, that to do this effectually, +we must reason with them at times, enter into particulars, +and be sure that we understand one another. We +must act a manly, honest, independent, as well as a sensible +part.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 12th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Reports have been spread, that the Regency of Algiers +has been employed in fitting out ships to cruise for American +vessels. There are reports too, that Spain has an +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_76" id="Page_76">76</a></span> +armament prepared to attack their town. How much +truth there may be in either, I cannot pretend to say.</p> + +<p>Whether Congress will take any measures for treating +with these piratical States, must be submitted to them. +The custom of these Courts, as well as those of Asia and +Africa, is to receive presents with Ambassadors. The +Grand Pensionary of Holland told me, that the Republic +paid annually to the Regency of Algiers a hundred thousand +dollars. I hope a less sum would serve for us; but +in the present state of our finances, it would be difficult to +make any payment. Mr Montgomery, of Alicant, has ventured +to write a letter to the Emperor of Morocco, in consequence +of which, his Majesty was pleased to give orders +to all his vessels to treat American vessels with all friendship. +Mr Montgomery ventured too far, however, in +writing in the name of the United States, and what will be +the consequences of the deception I know not.</p> + +<p>Dr Franklin lately mentioned to Mr Jay and me, that +he was employed in preparing, with the Portuguese Ambassador, +a treaty between the United States and Portugal. +The next Ambassador's day at Versailles, I asked +him if we could be admitted to the Brazils? He said, no, +they admitted no nation to the Brazils. I asked, if we +were admitted to the Western Islands? He said he thought +Madeira was mentioned. I told him, I thought it would +be of much importance to us to secure an admission to all +the Azores, and to have these Islands, or some of them, +made a depot for the sugars, coffee, cotton, and cocoa, &c. +of the Brazils. He liked this idea, and went immediately, +and spoke to the Ambassador upon it. He said, the Ambassador +had told him, that they could furnish us with +these articles at Lisbon, fifteen per cent cheaper than the +English could from their West India Islands. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_77" id="Page_77">77</a></span></p> + +<p>This treaty, I suppose, will be submitted to Congress +before it is signed, and I hope Congress will give a close +attention to it, in order to procure an exemption from as +many duties as possible, and as much freedom and security +of trade in all their ports of Europe and the Western +Islands as possible. If any particular stipulations should +be necessary, concerning the free admission of all the +articles of our produce, as rice, wheat, flour, salt-fish, or +any other, the members of Congress may readily suggest +them.</p> + +<p>I could wish that the Court of Lisbon had sent a +Minister to Philadelphia to negotiate a treaty there. I +wish that advantages may not be lost by this method +of preparing treaties here, by Ministers who have made no +particular study of the objects of them.<a name="FNanchor_7" id="FNanchor_7" href="#Footnote_7" class="fnanchor">[7]</a> Benefits on both +sides may escape attention in this way. A good treaty with +Portugal is of so much consequence to us, that I should +not wonder if Congress should think it necessary to send a +Minister to Lisbon to complete it.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"> +<p><a name="Footnote_7" id="Footnote_7" href="#FNanchor_7"><span class="label">[7]</span></a> See the draft of a Treaty with Portugal, in <i>Franklin's Correspondence</i>, +Vol. IV. p. 150.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 13th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Yesterday Colonel Ogden arrived with the originals of +what we had before received in duplicates by Captain Barney. +The ratification of the Dutch treaty had been +before received and exchanged. The ratification of their +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_78" id="Page_78">78</a></span> +High Mightinesses is in the safe custody of M. Dumas, +at present at the Hague.</p> + +<p>I believe we shall accept of the mediation of the two +Imperial Courts at the definitive treaty, as it is a mere +formality, a mere compliment, consisting wholly in the +Imperial Ministers putting their names and seals to the +parchment, and can have no ill effect. The inclination of +the Count de Vergennes seems to be, that we should accept +it, and as he calls upon us to decide in the affirmative +or negative, I believe we shall give an answer in the +affirmative.</p> + +<p>The Empress has promised to receive Mr Dana, as soon +as the definitive treaty shall be signed, and he has prepared +a treaty of commerce, which will be valuable if he can +obtain it.</p> + +<p>The Emperor of Germany has caused to be intimated +several ways, his inclination to have a treaty of commerce +with us; but his rank is so high, that his House never +makes the first formal advance. I should think it advisable, +that we should have a treaty with that power for +several reasons.</p> + +<p>1st. Because, as Emperor of Germany, and King of +Bohemia and Hungary, he is at the head of one of the +greatest interests and most powerful connexions in Europe. +It is true it is the greatest weight in the scale, which is, and +has been, from age to age, opposite to the House of Bourbon. +But for this very reason, if there were no other, the +United States ought to have a treaty of commerce with it, +in order to be in practice with their theory, and to show to +all the world, that their system of commerce embraces, +equally and impartially, all the commercial States and +countries of Europe. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_79" id="Page_79">79</a></span></p> + +<p>2dly. Because the present Emperor is one of the greatest +men of this age. The wisdom and virtue of the man, +as well as of the monarch; his personal activity, intelligence, +and accomplishments; his large and liberal principles +in matters of religion, government, and commerce, +are so much of kin to those of our States, (perhaps indeed +so much borrowed from them, and adopted in imitation of +them,) that it seems peculiarly proper we should show this +respect to them.</p> + +<p>3dly. Because, that if England should ever forget herself +again so much as to attack us, she may not be so +likely to obtain the alliance or assistance of this Power +against us. A friendship once established in a treaty of +commerce, this power would never be likely to violate, +because she has no dominions near us, and could have no +interest to quarrel with us.</p> + +<p>4thly. Because the countries belonging to this power +upon the Adriatic sea, and in the Austrian Flanders, are +no inconsiderable sources of commerce for America. And +if the present negotiations between the two Imperial +Courts and the Porte shall terminate in a free navigation +of the Danube, the Black sea, and the Archipelago, the +Emperor's hereditary dominions will become very respectable +commercial countries.</p> + +<p>5thly. Because, although we have at present a pleasant +and joyful prospect of friendship and uninterrupted alliance +with the House of Bourbon, which I wish may never be +obscured, yet this friendship and alliance will be the more +likely to continue unimpaired, for our having the friendship +and commerce of the House of Austria. And (as in +the vicissitudes of human affairs all things are possible) if +in future times, however unlikely at present, the House +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_80" id="Page_80">80</a></span> +of Bourbon should deal unjustly by us, demand of us +things we are not bound to perform, or any way injure us +we may find in the alliance, of Austria, England, and Holland +a resource against the storm. Supernumerary strings +to our bow, and provisions against possible inconveniences, +however improbable, can do us no harm.</p> + +<p>If we were not straitened for money, I should advise +Congress to send a Minister to Vienna. But as every +Mission abroad is a costly article, and we find it difficult, +at present, to procure money for the most necessary purposes, +I should think it proper for Congress to send a commission +to their Minister at Versailles, London, Madrid, +Petersburg, or the Hague, who might communicate it to +the Court of Vienna, by means of the Imperial Ambassador. +The Emperor in such a case would authorize his +Ambassador at that Court to prepare and conclude a +treaty, and in this way the business may be well done, +without any additional expense.</p> + +<p>M. Favi, <i>Chargé d'Affaires</i> of the Grand Duke of +Tuscany, the Emperor's brother, has called upon me so +often to converse with me upon this subject, that I doubt +not he has been employed, or at least knows that it would +be agreeable to his Court and their connexions, although +he has never made any official insinuations about it. This +gentleman has been employed by the Republic of Ragusa +to consult American Ministers upon the subject of commerce +too. I have told him, that the American ports were +open to the Ragusan Vessels, as well as to all others, and +have given him the address, by which they propose to +write to Congress.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_81" id="Page_81">81</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 14th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>A jealousy of American ships, seamen, carrying-trade, +and naval power, appears every day more and more conspicuous. +This jealousy, which has been all along discovered +by the French Minister, is at length communicated +to the English. The following proclamation, which will +not increase British ships and seamen in any proportion as +it will diminish those of the United States, will contribute +effectually to make America afraid of England, and attach +herself more closely to France. The English are the +dupes, and must take the consequences.</p> + +<p>This proclamation is issued in full confidence, that the +United States have no confidence in one another; that +they cannot agree to act in a body as one nation; that they +cannot agree upon any navigation act, which may be common +to the Thirteen States. Our proper remedy would +be to confine our exports to American ships, to make a +law, that no article should be exported from any of the +States in British ships, nor in the ships of any nation, +which will not allow us reciprocally to import their productions +in our ships. I am much afraid there is too good an +understanding upon this subject between Versailles and St +James's.</p> + +<p>Perhaps it may be proper for Congress to be silent upon +this head until New York, Penobscot, &c. are evacuated. +But I should think, that Congress would never bind themselves +by any treaty built upon such principles. They +should negotiate, however, without loss of time, by a Minister +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_82" id="Page_82">82</a></span> +in London. A few weeks' delay may have unalterable +effects.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">PROCLAMATION</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle">At the Court of St James, the 2d of July, 1783.</p> + +<p>Present, the King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.</p> + +<p>"Whereas, by an Act of Parliament, passed this session, +entitled an 'Act for preventing certain instruments from +being required from ships belonging to the United States +of America, and to give his Majesty, for a limited time, +certain powers for the better carrying on trade and commerce, +between the subjects of his Majesty's dominions, +and the inhabitants of the said United States;' it is amongst +other things enacted, that, during the continuance of the +said act, 'it shall and may be lawful for his Majesty in +Council, by order or orders to be issued and published +from time to time, to give such directions, and to make +such regulations, with respect to duties, drawbacks, or +otherwise, for carrying on the trade and commerce between +the people and territories belonging to the Crown of +Great Britain, and the people and territories of the said +United States, as to his Majesty in Council shall appear +most expedient and salutary, any law, usage, or custom to +the contrary notwithstanding;' his Majesty doth, therefore, +by and with the advice of his Privy Council, hereby +order and direct, that pitch, tar, turpentine, hemp and flax, +masts, yards, and bowsprits, staves, heading, boards, timber, +shingles, and all other species of lumber, horses, neat +cattle, sheep, hogs, poultry, and all other species of live +stock, and live provisions; peas, beans, potatoes, wheat, +flour, bread, biscuit, rice, oats, barley, and all other species +of grain, being the growth, or production of any one of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_83" id="Page_83">83</a></span> +the United States of America, may, until further order, be +imported by British subjects, in British built ships, owned +by his Majesty's subjects, and navigated according to law, +from any port of the United States of America, to any of +his Majesty's West India Islands; and that rum, sugar, +molasses, coffee, cocoa-nuts, ginger, and pimento, may, +until further order, be exported by British subjects, in +British built ships, owned by his Majesty's subjects, and +navigated according to law, from any of his Majesty's +West India Islands, and to any port or place within the said +United States, upon payment of the same duties on exportation, +and subject to the like rules, regulations, securities, +and restrictions, as the same articles by law are, or +may be, subject and liable to, if exported to any British +colony or plantation in America. And the Right Honorable +the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty's Treasury, +and the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, are to +give the necessary directions herein, as to them may respectively +appertain.</p> + +<p class="signed">STEPHEN COTTRELL."</p></div> + +<p>One of the most remarkable things in this proclamation +is, the omission of salt-fish, an article, which the islands +want as much as any that is enumerated. This is, no +doubt, to encourage their own fishery, and that of Nova +Scotia, as well as a blow aimed at ours. There was, in a +former proclamation concerning the trade between the +United States and Great Britain, an omission of the articles +of <i>potash</i> and <i>pearlash</i>. These omissions discover a +<i>choice love</i> for New England. France, I am afraid, will +exclude fish too, and imitate this proclamation but too +closely; if, indeed, this proclamation is not an imitation of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_84" id="Page_84">84</a></span> +their system adopted, as I believe it is, upon their advice +and desire.</p> + +<p>These, however, are important efforts. Without saying, +writing, or resolving anything suddenly, let us see what +remedies or equivalents we can obtain from Holland, Portugal +and Denmark. Let us bind ourselves to nothing, but +reserve a right of making navigation acts when we please, +if we find them necessary or useful. If we had been defeated +of our fisheries, we should have been wormed out +of all our carrying-trade too, and should have been a mere +society of cultivators, without any but a passive trade. +The policy of France has succeeded, and laid, in these +proclamations, if persisted in, the sure source of another +war between us and Great Britain.</p> + +<p>The English nation is not, however, unanimous in this +new system, as Congress will see by the enclosed speculations,<a name="FNanchor_8" id="FNanchor_8" href="#Footnote_8" class="fnanchor">[8]</a> +which I know to have been written by a confidential +friend of my Lord Shelburne; I mean Mr Benjamin +Vaughan. This Minister is very strong in the House of +Lords, and Mr Pitt, in the House of Commons, has attached +to him many members in the course of this session. +If that set should come in again, we shall have a chance +of making an equitable treaty of commerce. To this end +a Minister must be ready; and I hope in mercy to our +country, that such an opportunity will not be lost in delays, +in compliance to our allies.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_85" id="Page_85">85</a></span></p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"> +<p><a name="Footnote_8" id="Footnote_8"></a> +<a href="#FNanchor_8"><span class="label">[8]</span></a> This paper is missing.</p> +</div></div> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris. July 14th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The United States of America have propagated far and +wide in Europe the ideas of the liberty of navigation and +commerce. The powers of Europe, however, cannot +agree, as yet, in adopting them in their full extent. Each +one desires to maintain the exclusive dominion of some +particular sea, or river, and yet to enjoy the liberty of navigating +all others. Great Britain wishes to preserve the +exclusive dominion of the British seas, and, at the same +time, to obtain of the Dutch a free navigation of all the seas +in the East Indies. France has contended for the free use +of the British and American seas; yet she wishes to maintain +the Turks in their exclusive dominion of the Black +sea, and of the Danube, which flows into it through some +of their Provinces, and of the communication between the +Black Sea and the Archipelago, by the Dardanelles. Russia +aims at the free navigation of the Black Sea, the +Danube, and the passage by the Dardanelles, yet she contends, +that the nations, which border on the Baltic, have a +right to control the navigation of it. Denmark claims the +command of the passage of the Sound, and by the late +Marine Treaty between the neutral powers, it was agreed, +that the privateers of all the belligerent powers should be +excluded from the Baltic. France and Spain too begin +to talk of an exclusive dominion of the Mediterranean, and +of excluding the Russian fleet from it; or, at least, France +is said to have menaced Russia with a fleet of observation +in the Mediterranean, to protect her commerce to the +trading seaport towns of the Levant. But, as England +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_86" id="Page_86">86</a></span> +possesses Gibraltar, and the Emperor of Morocco the +other side of the Straits, France and Spain cannot command +the entrance; so that it will be difficult for them to +support their pretensions to any exclusive dominion of the +Mediterranean, upon the principle on which the northern +powers claim that of the Baltic, and the Porte the passage +of the Dardanelles.</p> + +<p>France, at present, enjoys a large share of the trade to +the Levant. England has enjoyed a share too, and wishes, +no doubt, to revive it. The Emperor and the Empress, +if they succeed in their views of throwing open the Danube, +Black Sea, and Archipelago, will take away from +France and England a great part of this trade; but it is +not likely that England will join with France in any opposition +to the Emperor and Empress.</p> + +<p>In order to judge of the object, which the two Empires +have in view, we should look a little into the geography of +those countries.</p> + +<p>The project of setting at liberty the whole country of +ancient Greece, Macedonia, and Illyricum, and erecting independent +Republics in those famous seats, however +splendid it may appear in speculation, is not likely to be +seriously entertained by the two Empires, because it is impracticable. +The Greeks of this day, although they are +said to have imagination and ingenuity, are corrupted in +their morals to such a degree, as to be a faithless, perfidious +race, destitute of courage, as well as of those principles +of honor and virtue, without which nations can have +no confidence in one another, nor be trusted by others.</p> + +<p>The project of conquering the Provinces of Albania, +Romelia, Wallachia, Moldavia, and Little Tartary, from +the Turks, and dividing them between the two Empires, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_87" id="Page_87">87</a></span> +may be more probable; but the Turks, in Asia and Europe +together, are very powerful, and, if thoroughly +awakened, might make a great resistance; so that it is +most probable, the two Imperial Courts would be content, +if they could obtain by negotiation, or by arms, the free +navigation of the Danube, Black Sea, and Archipelago. +This freedom alone would produce a great revolution in +the commerce of Europe. The river Don or Tanais, with +its branches, flows through the Ukraine, and a considerable +part of the Russian dominions, into the Black Sea. The +Danube flows very near Trieste, through the Kingdom of +Hungary, and then through a Turkish Province into the +Black Sea. If, therefore, the Black Sea and the Danube +only were free, a communication would be immediately +opened between Russia and Hungary quite to Trieste, to +the great advantage of both Empires. But if, at the same +time, the passage of the Dardanelles was laid open, all the +Levant trade would be opened to the two Empires, and +might be carried to Trieste, either by the Danube, or +through the Archipelago and the Gulf of Venice. This +would be such an accession of wealth, commerce, and +naval power to the two Empires, as France is jealous of, +and may be drawn into a war to prevent.</p> + +<p>It is a question how the King of Prussia will act. It is +the general opinion, that, as he is advanced in years, loves +and enjoys his laurels and his ease, and cannot hope to +gain anything by the war, he will be neuter. If he is, the +issue cannot be foreseen. The Emperor is vastly powerful, +and his preparations are immense. Perhaps France +may not think it prudent to declare war. I should be sorry +to see her again involved in a war, especially against the +principles she has lately espoused with so much glory and +advantage. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_88" id="Page_88">88</a></span></p> + +<p>For my own part, I think nature wiser than all the +Courts and States in the world, and, therefore, I wish all +her seas and rivers upon the whole globe free, and am not +at all surprised at the desire of the two Empires to set +those near them at liberty.</p> + +<p>I think, however, that whatever turn these negotiations +may take, they cannot directly affect us, although we may +be remotely interested in the freedom of the Levant trade, +and of the seas and rivers in the neighborhood of it.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 15th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Enclosed are copies of papers, which have passed between +Mr Hartley and the American Ministers. We have +not thought it prudent to enter into any written controversy +with him, upon any of these papers. We have received +whatever he has offered us. But he has offered nothing +in the name of his Court, has signed nothing, and upon +inquiry of him we have found that he has never had authority +to sign officially any proposition he has made.</p> + +<p>I think it is evident, that his principals, the coalition, do +not intend to make any agreement with us about trade, but +to try experiments by their proclamations. I think, too, +that they mean to postpone the definitive treaty as long as +possible. We can get no answer, and I believe Mr Hartley +gets no decisive answers to anything.</p> + +<p>Enclosed also is a pamphlet, entitled, "Observations on +the American States," said to have been published by +Lord Sheffield, and to have been composed by four American +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_89" id="Page_89">89</a></span> +renegadoes. The spirit of it needs no comments. It +deserves to be attended to, however, by Congress. It is +a fatal policy, as it appears to me, to see a British Ambassador +at Versailles, and a French Ambassador at St +James's, and no American Minister at the latter. This is +admired at Versailles, I doubt not, but not because they +think it for our interest.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, with great respect, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 16th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Yesterday we waited on the Count de Vergennes at +Versailles, and showed him the project of a letter to the +Ministers of the two Imperial Courts, which he read and +approved. We told him, that we were at a loss what +might be the effect of the mediation; possibly we might +be involved in difficulties by it; possibly the British Ministers +might persuade the mediators to offer us their advice +upon some points, respecting the royalists for example, +which we could not comply with. The Count said, that +he had told them, that as soon as he had fully agreed with +England upon all points, their mediation should be accepted, +and they should sign the treaty as such; and we +might agree to it in the same manner. He said we were +not obliged to this, but as they were to be present and sign +one treaty, it would look better to sign both. It would +be a very notorious, public, and respectable acknowledgment +of us, as a power, by those Courts. Upon this footing +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_90" id="Page_90">90</a></span> +we left the letter with him to be shown to the Imperial +Ministers.</p> + +<p>We asked the Count if he had seen the British proclamation +of the 2d of July. He answered, that he had. I +asked him if the King had determined anything on the +subject of salt provisions, and salt-fish, whether we might +import them into his islands. He said we might depend +upon it, they could not supply their islands with fish, that +we had two free ports in their islands, St Lucia, and a port +in Martinique. By the thirtysecond article of the Treaty +of Commerce, these free ports are secured to us; nothing, +he said, was determined concerning salt beef and pork, +but the greatest difficulty would be about flour. I told +the Count, that I did not think it would be possible either +for France or England to carry on this commerce between +the islands and continent; it was profitable to us only as +it was a part of a system; that it could not be carried +on without loss in large vessels, navigated by many seamen, +which could sail only at certain seasons of the year, +&c. Upon the whole, I was much pleased with this conversation, +and conclude from it, that we shall do very well +in the French West India Islands, perhaps the better in +them the worse we are treated by the English.</p> + +<p>The Dutch and Danes will, I doubt not, avail themselves +of every error, that may be committed by France +or England. It is good to have a variety of strings to our +bow; and, therefore, I wish we had a Treaty of Commerce +with Denmark, by which a free admission of our +ships into their ports in the West Indies might be established. +By means of the Dutch, Danes, and Portuguese, +I think we shall be able to obtain finally proper terms of +France and England. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_91" id="Page_91">91</a></span></p> + +<p>The British proclamation of the 2d of this month, is +the result of refugee politics; it is intended to encourage +Canada and Nova Scotia, and their fisheries, to support +still the ruins of their navigation act, and to take from us +the carriage even of our own productions. A system, +which has in it so little respect for us, and is so obviously +calculated to give a blow to our nurseries of ships and +seamen, could never have been adopted but from the +opinion, that we had no common legislature for the government +of commerce.</p> + +<p>All America from the Chesapeake Bay to St Croix I +know love ships and sailors, and those ports to the southward +of that bay have advantages for obtaining them when +they will, and therefore I hope the Thirteen States will +unite in some measures to counteract this policy of Britain, +so evidently selfish, unsocial, and I had almost said hostile. +The question is, what is to be done? I answer, perhaps +it will be most prudent to say little about it at present, and +until the definitive treaty is signed, and the States evacuated. +But after that, I think in the negotiation of a treaty +of commerce with Great Britain, Congress should tell +them, that they have the means of doing justice to themselves. +What are these means? I answer, let every State +in the Union lay on a duty of five per cent on all West +India articles imported in British ships, and upon all their +own productions exported in British ships. Let this impost +be limited in duration, until Great Britain shall allow +our vessels to trade to their West Indies. This would +effectually defeat their plan, and encourage our own carrying +trade more than they can discourage it.</p> + +<p>Another way of influencing England to a reasonable +conduct, is to take some measures for encouraging the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_92" id="Page_92">92</a></span> +growth in the United States, of West India articles; another +is to encourage manufactures, especially of wool and +iron among ourselves. As tilt-hammers are now not unlawful, +and wool may be water-borne, much more may be done +now than could have been done before the war. But the +most certain method is, to lay duties on exports and +imports by British ships. The sense of a common interest +and common danger, it is to be hoped, will induce a perfect +unanimity among the States in this respect. There +are other ways of serving ourselves, and making impressions +upon the English to bring them to reason. One is +to send ships immediately to China. This trade is as open +to us as to any nation, and if our natural advantages at +home are envied us, we should compensate ourselves in +any honest way we can.</p> + +<p>Our natural share in the West India trade, is all that is +now wanting to complete the plan of happiness and prosperity +of our country. Deprived of it, we shall be straitened +and shackled in some degree. We cannot enjoy a +free use of all our limits without this; with it, I see nothing +to desire, nothing to vex or chagrin our people, nothing +to interrupt our repose or keep up a dread of war.</p> + +<p>I know not what permission may be expected from +Spain to trade to the Havana, but should think that this +resource ought not to be neglected.</p> + +<p>I confess I do not like the complexion of British politics. +They are mysterious and unintelligible. Mr Hartley appears +not to be in the secret of his Court. The things +which happen appear as unexpected to him as to us. +Political jealousies and speculations are endless. It is possible +the British Ministers may be secretly employed, in +fomenting the quarrel between the two Imperial Courts and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_93" id="Page_93">93</a></span> +the Porte, and in secretly stirring up the French to join the +Turks in the war. The prospect of seeing France engaged +in a war may embolden them to adopt a system less +favorable to us. The possibility of these things should +stimulate us, I think, to form as soon as possible treaties +of commerce with the principal powers, especially the Imperial +Courts, that all our questions may be decided. +This will be a great advantage to us, even if we should +afterwards be involved in a war. I put this supposition +with great reluctance. But if England should in the course +of a few years or months have the art to stir up a general +war in Europe, and get France and Spain seriously involved +in it, which is at least a possible case, she may assume +a tone and conduct towards us, which will make it +very difficult for us to avoid taking a part in it. If such a +deplorable circumstance should take place, it will be still a +great advantage to us, to have our sovereignty explicitly +acknowledged by these powers, against whom we may be +unfortunately obliged to act. At present they are all disposed +to it, and seem desirous of forming connexions with +us, that we may be out of the question.</p> + +<p>The politics of Europe are such a labyrinth of profound +mysteries, that the more one sees of them, the more causes +of uncertainty and anxiety he discovers.</p> + +<p>The United States will have occasion to brace up their +confederation, and act as one body with one spirit. If +they do not, it is now very obvious, that Great Britain will +take advantage of it in such a manner as will endanger our +peace, our safety, and even our very existence.</p> + +<p>A change of Ministry may, but it is not certain that it +will, give us better prospects.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_94" id="Page_94">94</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 17th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Last evening Mr Hartley spent two hours with me, and +appeared much chagrined at the proclamation, which had +never been communicated to him by his principals. He +has too much contempt of the commercial abilities of the +French, and, consequently said, that the French could +derive but little benefit from this step of his Court, but +he thought the Dutch would make a great advantage of it. +I endeavored to discover from him, whether he suspected +that his Court had any hand in stirring up the two Imperial +Courts to make war upon the Turks. I asked him what +was the state of their Mediterranean trade, and Levant +trade. He said, it was dead, and that their Turkey Company +was dead, and, therefore, he did not think his Court +cared much about either, or would ever do anything to +prevent the Empires. He thought it possible, that they +might rather encourage them.</p> + +<p>I am quite of Mr Hartley's mind, that the Dutch will +profit by all the English blunders in regulating the West +India trade, and am happy that M. Van Berckel will be +soon with Congress, when its members and Ministers may +communicate through him anything they wish to their +High Mightinesses. They may inquire of him what are +the rights of the East and West India Companies? To +what an extent our vessels may be admitted to Surinam, +Curaçoa, Demerara, Essequibo, Berbice, St Eustatia? +What we may be allowed to carry there? and what bring +from thence to the United States, or to Europe? Whether +we may carry sugars, &c. to Amsterdam, Rotterdam, &c.? +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_95" id="Page_95">95</a></span> +There are at Rotterdam and Amsterdam one hundred +and twentyseven or eight refineries of sugar. How far +these may be affected, &c.?</p> + +<p>I lay it down for a rule, that the nation which shall +allow us the most perfect liberty to trade with her Colonies, +whether it be France, England, Spain, or Holland, +will see her Colonies flourish above all others, and will +draw proportionally our trade to themselves; and I rely +upon it, the Dutch will have sagacity to see it, and as they +are more attentive to mercantile profit, than to a military +marine, I have great hopes from their friendship. As there +will be an interval before the signature of the definitive +treaty, I propose a journey of three weeks, to Amsterdam +and the Hague, in hopes of learning in more detail the +intentions of the Dutch in this respect. I am in hopes too +of encouraging the loan to assist our Superintendent of +Finance. The Dutch may be a great resource to us in +finance and commerce. I wish that cargoes of produce +may be hastened to Amsterdam to Messrs Willinks & Co. +for this will give vigor to the loan, and all the money we +can prevent England and the two Empires from obtaining +in Holland, will not only be nerves for us, but, perhaps, be +useful too to France in her negotiations.</p> + +<p>I have spent the whole forenoon in conversation with +the Duc de la Vauguyon. He thinks that England wishes +to revive her trade to the Levant, to Smyrna, Aleppo, &c. +and her carrying trade in Italy; and although she might +be pleased to see France involved in a war with the Emperor +and Empress, yet he thinks her funds are not in a +condition to afford subsidies to either, and, therefore, that +she will be perfectly neutral. Quere, however, whether if +by a subsidy or a loan of a million or two a year, she could +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_96" id="Page_96">96</a></span> +make France spend eight or ten millions, she would not +strive hard to do it? The Duke thinks, that France will proceed +softly, and endeavor, if possible, to avert the furious +storm that threatens, and to compose the disputes of the +three Empires, if possible; but she will never suffer such +a usurpation as the conquest of the Turkish Provinces in +Europe. France will certainly defend Constantinople. +He thinks that the Empress of Russia has not revenues, +and cannot get cash to march and subsist vast armies, and +to transport great fleets, and that the Emperor has not +revenues to support a long war.</p> + +<p>This is, however, a serious business, and France lays it +so much to heart, and looks upon the chance of her being +obliged to arm, as so probable, that I presume this to be +the principal motive of her refusal to lend us two or three +millions of livres more.</p> + +<p>As to our West India questions, the Duke assures me, +that the French Ministry, particularly the Count de Vergennes, +are determined to do everything they can consistent +with their own essential interests, to favor and promote +the friendship and commerce between their country +and ours. That they, especially the Count, are declared +enemies of the French fiscal system, which is certainly the +most ruinous to their commerce, and intend to do everything +they can to make alterations to favor commerce; but +no change can be made in this, without affecting their revenues, +and making voids, failures, and deficiencies, which +they cannot fill up. They must, therefore, proceed softly. +That France would favor the commerce between Portugal +and America, because it would tend to draw off that +kingdom from her dependence on England. That England, +by her commercial treaty with the Portuguese, in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_97" id="Page_97">97</a></span> +1703, has turned them into an English Colony, made +them entirely dependent, and secured a commerce with +them of three millions value. France would be glad to +see this, or as much of it as possible, turned to America.</p> + +<p>The Duke agrees fully with me in the maxim, that +those Colonies will grow the most in wealth, improvement, +population, and every sort of prosperity, which are allowed +the freest communication with us, and that we shall be +allowed to carry lumber, fish, and live stock, to their +islands, but that the export of their sugars to us, he thinks, +must be in their own ships, because they are afraid of our +becoming the carriers of all their commerce, because they +know and say, that we can do it cheaper than they can. +These sentiments are different from those, which he mentioned +to me a few days ago, when he said, the West +India trade with us must be carried on in French bottoms.</p> + +<p>The Duke said, the English had been trying to deceive +us, but were now developing their true sentiments. They +pretended, for awhile, to abolish the navigation act and all +distinctions, to make one people with us again, to be +friends, brothers, &c. in hopes of drawing us off from +France, but not finding success, they were now showing +their true plan. As to the pretended system of Shelburne, +of a universal free commerce, although he thought it would +be for the good of mankind in general, yet, for an English +Minister, it was the plan of a madman, for it would be the +ruin of that nation. He did not think Shelburne was sincere +in it; he only meant an illusion to us. Here I differ +from the Duke, and believe, that the late Ministry were +very sincere towards us, and would have made a treaty +with us, at least to revive the universal trade between us, +upon a liberal plan. This doctrine of ruin, from that plan, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_98" id="Page_98">98</a></span> +to the English, has been so much preached of late in England +by the French and the American refugees, who aim +at establishments in Canada and Nova Scotia, and by the +old Butean administration and their partisans, that I do not +know whether any Ministry could now support a generous +plan. But if Temple, Thurlow, Shelburne, Pitt, &c. +should come in, I should not despair of it. It is true, the +Shelburne administration did encourage the ideas of cordial, +perfect friendship, of entire reconciliation of affections, +of making no distinction between their people and ours, +especially between the inhabitants of Canada and Nova +Scotia and us, and this, with the professed purpose of destroying +all seeds of war between us. These sentiments +were freely uttered by Fitzherbert, Oswald, Whiteford, +Vaughan, and all who had the confidence of that Ministry; +and in these sentiments they were, I believe, very sincere. +And they are, indeed, the only means of preventing a +future war between us and them, and so sure as they depart +from that plan, so sure, in less than fifteen years, perhaps +less than seven, there will break out another war. +Quarrels will arise among fishermen, between inhabitants +of Canada and Nova Scotia and us, and between their +people and ours in the West Indies, in our ports, and in +the ports of the three kingdoms, which will breed a war in +spite of all we can do to prevent it. France sees this and +rejoices in it, and I know not whether we ought to be +sorry; yet I think we ought to make it a maxim to avoid +all wars, if possible; and to take care that it is not our +fault if we cannot. We ought to do everything, which the +English will concur in, to remove all causes of jealousies, +and kill all the seeds of hostility as effectually as we can; +and to be upon our guard to prevent the French, Spaniards, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_99" id="Page_99">99</a></span> +and Dutch, from sowing the seeds of war between +us, for we may rely upon it they will do it if they can.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, July 18th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>There is cause to be solicitous about the state of things +in England. The present Ministry swerve more and +more from the true system, for the prosperity of their +country and ours. Mr Hartley, whose sentiments are at +bottom just, is probably kept here, if he was not sent at +first, merely to amuse us, and to keep him out of the way +of embarrassing the coalition. We need not fear, that +France and England will make a common cause against +us, even in relation to the carrying-trade to and from the +West Indies. Although they may mutually inspire into +each other false notions of their interests at times, yet +there can never be a concert of operations between them. +Mutual enmity is bred in the blood and bones of both, +and rivals and enemies at heart they eternally will be.</p> + +<p>In order to induce both to allow us our natural right to +the carrying-trade, we must negotiate with the Dutch, +Danes, Portuguese, and even with the Empires; for the +more friends and resources we have, the more we shall +be respected by the French and English; and the more +freedom of trade we enjoy with the Dutch possessions in +America, the more will France and England find themselves +necessitated to allow us.</p> + +<p>The present Ministers in England have very bad advisers; +the refugees, and emissaries of various other sorts, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_100" id="Page_100">100</a></span> +and we have nobody to watch and counteract, to correct +or prevent anything.</p> + +<p>The United States will soon see the necessity of uniting +in measures to counteract their enemies, and even +their friends. What powers Congress should have for +governing the trade of the whole, for making or recommending +prohibitions, or imposts, deserves the serious +consideration of every man in America. If a constitutional +legislative authority cannot be given them, a sense of +common danger and necessity should give to their recommendations +all the force upon the minds of the people, +which they had six years ago.</p> + +<p>If the union of the States is not preserved, and even +their unity, in many great points, instead of being the happiest +people under the sun, I do not know but we may be +the most miserable. We shall find our foreign affairs the +most difficult to manage of any of our interests; we shall +see and feel them disturbed by invisible agents, and causes, +by secret intrigues, by dark and mysterious insinuations, by +concealed corruptions of a thousand sorts. Hypocrisy +and simulation will assume a million of shapes; we shall +feel the evil, without being able to prove the cause. +Those, whose penetration reaches the true source of the +evil, will be called suspicious, envious, disappointed, ambitious. +In short, if there is not an authority sufficiently +decisive to draw together the minds, affections, and forces +of the States, in their common foreign concerns, it appears +to me we shall be the sport of transatlantic politicians of +all denominations, who hate liberty in every shape, and +every man who loves it, and every country that enjoys it. +If there is no common authority, nor any common sense +to secure a revenue for the discharge of our engagements +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_101" id="Page_101">101</a></span> +abroad for money, what is to become of our honor, our +justice, our faith, our universal, moral, political, and commercial +character? If there is no common power to fulfil +engagements with our citizens, to pay our soldiers, and +other creditors, can we have any moral character at home? +Our country will become the region of everlasting discontents, +reproaches, and animosities, and instead of finding +our independence a blessing, we shall soon become Cappadocians +enough to wish it done away.</p> + +<p>I may be thought gloomy, but this ought not to discourage +me from laying before Congress my apprehensions. +The dependence of those who have designs upon us, upon +our want of affection to each other, and of authority over +one another, is so great, that in my opinion, if the United +States do not soon show to the world a proof, that they +can command a common revenue to satisfy their creditors +at home and abroad, that they can act as one people, as +one nation, as one man, in their transactions with foreign +nations, we shall be soon so far despised, that it will be but +a few years, perhaps but a few months only, before we +are involved in another war.</p> + +<p>What can I say in Holland, if a doubt is started, whether +we can repay the money we wish to borrow? I must +assure them in a tone, that will exclude all doubt that the +money will be repaid. Am I to be hereafter reproached +with deceiving the money-lenders? I cannot believe there +is a man in America, who would not disdain the supposition, +and therefore I shall not scruple to give the strongest +assurances in my power. But if there is a doubt in Congress, +they ought to recall their borrowers of money.</p> + +<p>I shall set off tomorrow for Holland, in hopes of improving +my health, at the same time that I shall endeavor to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_102" id="Page_102">102</a></span> +assist the loan, and to turn the speculations of the Dutch +merchants, capitalists and statesmen, towards America. +It is of vast importance that the Dutch should form just +ideas of their interests respecting the communication between +us and their islands, and other colonies in America. +I beg that no time may be lost in commencing conferences +with M. Van Berckel upon this subject, as well as that of +money; but this should not be communicated to the +French nor the English, because we may depend upon it, +both will endeavor to persuade the Dutch to adopt the +same plan with themselves. There are jealousies on both +sides the Pass of Calais, of our connexions and negotiations +with the Dutch. But while we avoid as much as we can +to inflame this jealousy, we must have sense and firmness +and independence enough not to be intimidated by it, from +availing ourselves of advantages, that Providence has placed +in our power. There ever have been, and ever will be, +suspicions of every honest, active, and intelligent American, +and there will be as there have been insidious attempts +to destroy or lessen your confidence in every such character. +But if our country does not support her own interests, +and her own servants, she will assuredly fall. Persons, +who study to preserve or obtain the confidence of America, +by the favor of European statesmen, or Courts, must +betray their own country to preserve their places.</p> + +<p>For my own part, I wish Mr Jay and myself almost +anywhere else but here. There is scarce any other place +where we might not do some good. Here we are in a +state of annihilation.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_103" id="Page_103">103</a></span></p> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">The Hague, July 23d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On Saturday last I left Paris, and arrived here last night. +This morning I sent M. Dumas to M. Van Berckel and +M. Gyselaer, to inform them of my arrival, and to desire +a conversation with them, upon the subject of the commerce +between the United States and the Dutch establishments +in the West Indies.</p> + +<p>M. Van Berckel told M. Dumas, "that St Eustatia and +Curaçoa were open to the vessels of all nations, and to the +commerce of all the world; but that it was not the interest +of the West India Company alone, but that of the whole +State, that obliged them to confine the commerce of their +sugars to themselves, because of the great number of their +refineries of sugar. That all their own sugars were not half +enough to employ their sugar-houses, and that at least one +half of the sugars refined in Holland were the production +of the French West India Islands."</p> + +<p>I suppose that some of these sugars may have been carried +first to St Eustatia, and brought from thence to Holland, +and some others may have been purchased in the +ports of France, and imported raw from thence. I do not +know that Dutch vessels were permitted to purchase sugars +in the French Islands, and export them from thence. +This matter deserves to be examined to the bottom. If +France has not sugar-houses for the refinement of her own +sugars, but is obliged to carry them, or to permit their being +carried, to Amsterdam and Rotterdam for manufacture, +why should she not be willing, that the same sugars should +be carried by Americans to Boston, New York, and Philadelphia? +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_104" id="Page_104">104</a></span> +Surely France has no predilection for Holland +rather than America. But what is of more weight, all the +sugars, which America takes, will be paid for in articles +more advantageous to the Islands, and to France, than the +pay that is made by the Dutch. If any sugars refined in +Holland are afterwards sold in France, surely it would be +more for the interest of France, or rather less against her +interests, to have the same sugars refined in America, and +afterwards sold in France, because the price of them would +be laid out by us in France. There is this difference between +us and the Dutch, and all other nations, we spend +in Europe all the profits we make and more, the others +do not. But if the French sugars, refined in Holland, are +afterwards sold in other parts of Europe, it would be just +as well that we should sell them. We have sugar-houses +as well as the Dutch, and ours ought not to be more obnoxious +to French policy or commerce than theirs.</p> + +<p>Sugars are a great article. There is a great consumption +in America. It is not the interest of any nation, that +has sugars to sell, to lessen the consumption there. All +such nations should favor that consumption, in order to +multiply purchasers, and quicken the competition, by which +the price is raised. None of these nations then will wish +to prevent our having sugar, provided we offer as high, or +a higher price. How they will be able to arrange their +plans, so that we may have enough for our own consumption, +without having more, without having some for exportation, +I do not know.</p> + +<p>We have now St Eustatia and Curaçoa, St Lucia and +Martinique, St Thomas and St Martin's, no less than six +free ports in the West Indies; and perhaps England may +be induced, necessitated indeed, to add two more to the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_105" id="Page_105">105</a></span> +number, and make eight. At these free ports, it will be +hard if we cannot find sugars, when we carry thither all our +own productions, in our own ships. And if the worst +should happen, and all the nations, who have sugar Islands, +should forbid sugars to be carried to America in any other +than their own bottoms, we might depend upon having +enough of this article at the free ports, to be brought away +in our own ships, if we should lay a prohibition or a duty +upon it in foreign ships. To do either, the States must be +united, which the English think cannot be. Perhaps the +French think so too, and in time, they may persuade the +Dutch to be of the same opinion. It is to be hoped we +shall disappoint them all. In a point so just and reasonable, +when we are contending only for an equal chance +for the carriage of our own productions, and the articles of +our own consumption, when we are willing to allow to all +other nations even a free competition with us in this carriage, +if we cannot unite, it will discover an imperfection +and weakness in our constitution, which will deserve a +serious consideration.</p> + +<p>M. Visscher, Pensionary of Amsterdam, who came in to +visit me, when I had written thus far, showed me a list +of the Directors of the West India Company, and refers +me to M. Bicker, of Amsterdam, as one of the most intelligent +of them. He says, that the Colonists of Surinam, +Berbice, Essequibo, and Demarara, have been in decay, +and obliged to borrow money of the merchants at home, +and have entered into contracts with those merchants, to +send them annually all the productions of their plantations +to pay the interest and principal of their debts; that +this will make it difficult to open the trade.</p> + +<p>Soon after M. Visscher went out, M. Van Berckel +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_106" id="Page_106">106</a></span> +came in. I entered into a like conversation with him, +and told him that I thought the decay of their plantations +in the West Indies had been owing to the rivalry of +other nations, especially the English, whose Islands had +greater advantages from a freer communication with North +America; and I thought it might be laid down as a rule, +that those Islands would flourish most in population, culture, +commerce, and wealth, which had the freest intercourse +with us, and that this intercourse would be a +natural means of attracting the American commerce to +the metropolis. He thought so too.</p> + +<p>I then mentioned to him the loan; and asked him, if +he thought that the States-General, the States of Holland, +or the Regency of Amsterdam, would be likely, in any +way, to aid us? He said, no; that the country was still +so much divided, that he could not depend upon any assistance +in that way. That the Council of Amsterdam +was well enough disposed; but that the Burgomasters +were not so. That M. Temmink, M. Huggens, and M. +Rendorp, were not to be depended on in such an affair. +That, therefore, our only resource was, to endeavor to +gain upon the public opinion and the spirit of the nation, +and that, in this respect, he would do me all the service +in his power. He thought that the present uncertainty +about the definitive treaty, and the fate of the Republic, +would be an obstacle; but the definitive treaty once +signed, he thought our loan would succeed very well. I +asked him, whether he thought that the junction of three +houses in my loan was any obstruction to it? and whether +any one of them, or whether any other house, would do +better? I told him what his brother, (now I hope in Philadelphia,) +had said to M. Dumas, viz. that the house of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_107" id="Page_107">107</a></span> +Wilkem and Van Willink alone would succeed sooner +than the three. I asked him, whether he thought the +house of Hope, either alone, or in conjunction with that of +the Willinks, or any other, would undertake it? He said, +this might well be, and that if they saw their interest in it +they would, for those mercantile houses had no other object +in view. He promised me to make inquiry into this +matter, and let me know the result.</p> + +<p>Upon this occasion, I must inform Congress, that it is +absolutely necessary they should send another Minister to +this Republic, without loss of time; because our three +present houses, before they would undertake the loan, extorted +a promise from me, not to open another with any +other house until the five millions should be full. This +engagement I took for myself alone, however, and expressly +premised that Congress should not be bound by it; +that Congress should be perfectly free, and that any other +Minister they might send here should be perfectly free to +open another loan, when and with whom they pleased. A +new Minister, therefore, may open a loan when he will, +with Hope, Willink, or whom he will, and I am persuaded +it would succeed to a good amount.</p> + +<p>I made visits to day, the 25th of July, to the Grand +Pensionary, the Secretary Fagel, the President of the +week, and M. Gyselaer; and returned visits to M. Van +Berckel and M. Visscher. M. Gyselaer says, that at +present there is no ready money (<i>argent comptant</i>) in +the Republic, but in two months there will be, and the loan +will go very well.</p> + +<p>At noon I went to the house in the Grove, to make my +court to the Prince and Princess of Orange.</p> + +<p>The Prince either happened to be in a social humor, or +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_108" id="Page_108">108</a></span> +has had some political speculations lately, for he thought +fit to be uncommonly gracious and agreeable. He made +me sit, and sat down by me, and entered into familiar +conversation about the negotiations of peace. He asked +many questions about it, and the probability of a speedy +conclusion of the definitive treaty. At length, he asked +me, if Dr Franklin was left alone? I answered, that Mr +Jay was with him. He asked, if I returned before the +signature? I answered, that such was my intention. He +asked, whether Dr Franklin was an Ambassador? I answered, +that he was a Minister Plenipotentiary only. He +asked, if none of us were Ambassadors? I answered, that +we all had the same rank of Ministers Plenipotentiary, +and that Congress had never yet made an Ambassador. +He said, he was astonished at that; that he had a long +time expected to hear, that we had displayed the character +of Ambassadors. I asked his Highness, what reason +he had for this, and what advantage there was in it? +"Why," said he, "I expected that your Republic would +early assert her right to appoint Ambassadors. Republics +have been generally fond of appointing Ambassadors, in +order to be on a footing with crowned heads. Our Republic +began very early. We had eight Ambassadors at +the peace of Munster; one for each Province, and one +supernumerary. And we always choose to appoint Ambassadors, +for the sake of being upon an equality with crowned +heads. There are only crowned heads, Republics, and +the Electors of the Empire, who have a right to send Ambassadors; +all others can only send Envoys, and Ministers +Plenipotentiary. Princes cannot send Ambassadors. I +cannot, as Stadtholder, nor as Prince, nor in any other +quality, send a Minister of any higher order, than an Envoy, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_109" id="Page_109">109</a></span> +or Minister Plenipotentiary." He asked me, what +was the reason the Congress had not made use of their +right? I answered his Highness, that really I did not know. +It was a subject I had never much reflected on; perhaps +Congress had not. Or they might think it a matter of +ceremony and of show, rather than substance; or might +think the expense greater than the advantage. He said, it +was very true, the dignity of the rank must be supported, +but he thought the advantage worth more than the expense.</p> + +<p>I am utterly at a loss for his Highness' motives for entering +so minutely into this subject. Whether M. Van +Berckel, before his departure, had mentioned it; whether +he thought he should please me by it; whether he thought +to please Congress by it; whether he affected to interest +himself in the honor of the United States; or whether any +of the politicians of this, or any other country, have put +him upon it, or whether it is mere accident, I know not. +They are the words of a Prince, and I have reported them +very exactly.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">The Hague, July 25th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>It is the general opinion here both among the members +of the States, and at the <i>Hôtel de France</i>, that the +delays of the definitive pacification are contrived by the +Court of London, in order to set all their instruments at +work in this Republic, to induce it to renew its ancient +connexions with Great Britain, particularly their alliance, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_110" id="Page_110">110</a></span> +offensive and defensive, by which each power was bound +to furnish the other, if attacked, a certain number of +ships and troops. Against this the patriotic party is decided, +and they are now very well satisfied with the Grand +Pensionary, Bleiswick, because he openly and roundly +takes their side, and the Court is said to be discontented +with him for the same reason. There is, no doubt, an +intelligence and correspondence between the two Courts +of London and the Hague, to bring about this point. The +Grand Pensionary told me yesterday, that the Court of +London desired it, and there were persons here who desired +it, and he knew very well who they were; but that +most certainly they would not carry their point. Van +Berckel, Visscher, and Gyselaer, all assured me of the +same, and added, that the fear of this had determined +them not to send a Minister to London, but to go through +with the negotiation at Paris, although they were all highly +dissatisfied with the conduct of France, and particularly +with that of the Count de Vergennes.</p> + +<p>They all say, he has betrayed and deserted them, played +them a very bad trick, (<i>tour</i>) and violated his repeated +promises to them. They do not in the least spare M. +Berenger and M. Merchant, who conduct the French +affairs here in the absence of the Duc de la Vauguyon, +but hold this language openly and freely to them. These +gentlemen have sometimes found it hard to bear, and have +winced, and sometimes even threatened; but their answer +has been more mortifying still; "Do as you please, +drive the Republic back into the arms of England, if you +will. Suppress all the friends of France, if you choose +it." And some of them have said, "we will go to America." +They all say, that France had the power to have +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_111" id="Page_111">111</a></span> +saved them. That the acquisition of Tobago was no +equivalent to France for the loss of the Republic, &c. &c. +&c. They are all highly pleased with the conduct of +their own Ambassador, Brantzen, with his activity, intelligence, +and fidelity. They all say, that they would send a +Minister to London to negotiate there, if they were sure of +being able to carry an election for a man they could depend +upon. But the Court here would have so much +influence in the choice, that they would run a risk of +sending a man, who would insensibly lead them into a +revival of the old ties with England, which, they say, is +enslaving the Republic to that kingdom.</p> + +<p>I learn here from all quarters, a confirmation of what I +had learned before at Paris from M. Brantzen and the +Duc de la Vauguyon, viz. that the Duke of Manchester +had given them no answer, nor said a word to them for six +weeks, in answer to the propositions they had made; +among which was an offer of an equivalent for Negapatnam. +They offered some establishments in Sumatra and +Surat. Lately the Duke of Manchester has received a +courier, and has given an answer, that a real equivalent +might be accepted. No answer is given to any other +point, and this is vague; so that another courier must go +to London and return. Parliament is now up, and perhaps +the Ministers may now be more attentive, and less +timorous.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_112" id="Page_112">112</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I find, upon inquiry, that there are in this Republic, at +Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and Dort, near one hundred and +thirty sugar-houses. The whole of the raw sugars produced +in Surinam, Berbice, Essequibo, and Demarara, are wrought +in these houses; and, besides, raw sugars were purchased +in Bordeaux and Nantes, after being imported from the +French islands, in French bottoms. Raw sugars were +also purchased in London, which went under the general +name of Barbadoes sugars, although they were the growth +of all the English Islands, and imported to London in British +bottoms. I have learnt further, that great quantities of +raw Brazil sugars were purchased in Lisbon, and that +these were cheaper than any of the others. All these raw +sugars were imported into Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and +Dort, and there manufactured for exportation. We must +endeavor to obtain a share in this trade, especially with +Lisbon, or the Western Islands.</p> + +<p>Since it is certain, that neither Portugal, France, nor +England has been able to manufacture all their raw sugars, +but each of them sold considerable quantities to the Dutch, +I suppose that we may undoubtedly purchase such sugars +in future in Lisbon, Bordeaux, Nantes, London, and perhaps +Ireland, and carry them where we please, either home +to America, or to Amsterdam, or to any part of Europe, +and there sell them, and in this way promote our own carrying-trade, +as well as enable ourselves to make remittances. +I cannot see why the English, or French, should +be averse to their sugars going to America directly; and if +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_113" id="Page_113">113</a></span> +they insist upon carrying them in their own ships, we may +still have enough of them. The Dutch have the most +pressing commercial motives to bring home their West +India produce; yet they would really gain the most by +opening a free communication with us, because they would +the most suddenly make their colonies flourish by it.</p> + +<p>Molasses and rum we shall have, probably, from all the +islands, English, French, and Dutch, in our own bottoms, +unless the three nations should agree together to keep the +whole trade of their islands in their own ships, which is +not likely.</p> + +<p>I have made all the inquiries I could, and have sown all +the seeds I could, in order to give a spur to our loan. +Three thousand obligations have been sold, and the other +two thousand are signed; but at this time there is a greater +scarcity of money than ever was known. The scarcity is +so great, that the agio of the bank, which is commonly at +four or five per cent, fell to one and a half. The Directors, +at length, shut up the bank, and it continues shut. +The English omnium, which at first was sold for eight or +ten per cent profit, fell to one and a half. The scarcity of +money will continue until the arrival of the Spanish flotilla +at Cadiz. Seven eighths of the treasures of that flotilla will +come here, and make money plenty. Then we may expect, +that my obligations will sell.</p> + +<p>In the meantime, I have great pleasure in assuring you, +that there is not one foreign loan open in this Republic, +which is in so good credit, or goes so quick as mine. +The Empress of Russia opened a loan of five millions, +about the same time that I opened mine. She is far +from having obtained three millions of it. Spain opened +a loan with the House of Hope, at the same time, for two +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_114" id="Page_114">114</a></span> +millions only, and you may depend upon it, it is very far +from being full. Not one quarter part of the loan of +France upon life-rents, advantageous as it is to the lender, +is full. In short, there is not one power in Europe, whose +credit is so good here as ours. Russia and Spain, too, +allow of facilities to undertakers and others, in disposing +of their obligations, much more considerable than ours; +yet all does not succeed. You will see persons and letters +in America, that will affirm, that the Spanish loan is full, +and that France and Spain can have what money they +please here. Believe me, this is all stockjobbing gasconade. +I have made very particular inquiries, and find the +foregoing account to be the truth. Of all the sons of +men, I believe the stockjobbers are the greatest liars. I +know it has been given out, that the Spanish loan, which +was opened at Hope's, was full the first day. This I know +has been affirmed in the hearing of Americans, with a confidence +peculiar, and with a design, I suppose, that it +should be written or reported to Congress. But I am +now assured, that it is so far from being true, that it is not +near full to this hour. Let me beg of you, Sir, to give +Mr Morris an extract of this, because I am so pressed for +time, that I cannot write to him.</p> + +<p>Upon further inquiry concerning sugars, I find, that the +Dutch were used to purchase annually considerable quantities +of the raw sugars of Spain, as well as of France, England +and Portugal. Some of these they obtained by a +clandestine trade between Curaçoa and Havana, and +St Domingo; but the greater part were purchased at +Cadiz.</p> + +<p>I suppose our merchants and musters of vessels will be +as adroit at inventing and executing projects of illicit trade, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_115" id="Page_115">115</a></span> +as others. But this is a resource, that Congress and the +States cannot depend on, nor take into their calculations. +Illicit trade will ever bear but a small proportion to that +which is permitted. And our governments should take +their measures for obtaining by legal and honorable means +from Spain, Portugal, France, England, Holland, and Denmark, +all the productions which our people may want for +consumption, for manufacture, and for exportation.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT MORRIS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Upon inquiry of those who best know, I see no probability +of success from any application to authority in this +country, for reasons which I have explained to our Minister +of Foreign Affairs. Our only resource is in the public +opinion, and the favor of the nation.</p> + +<p>I know of nothing which would operate so favorably +upon the public, as the arrival of a few vessels with cargoes +of American produce, addressed to your bankers, and appropriated +to the payment of interest. The report of such +an event would greatly augment our credit, by spreading +the opinion of our ability and disposition to pay.</p> + +<p>It would be presumption in me, at this distance, to undertake +to advise you, who are upon the spot, and much +better informed. But I beg leave to suggest the question, +whether an application of Congress to the States would not +succeed? Suppose Congress should represent to the +States the necessity of an exertion, in order to obtain a +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_116" id="Page_116">116</a></span> +loan at present, to enable you to satisfy the most urgent +demands of the army, and other public creditors, until the +States can agree upon some permanent establishment, and +should recommend to each State to furnish a cargo of its +produce, in proportion to its rate upon the list. For example, +South Carolina and Georgia a quantity of rice or +indigo; Virginia and Maryland, of tobacco; Pennsylvania, +of wheat or flour; and the Northern States, of fish or any +other thing. Suppose these cargoes, which need not be +expensive for the Thirteen States, should be sent to Amsterdam +or anywhere else in Europe, the proceeds of +sale to be remitted to Amsterdam to your bankers. The +reputation of this, if well planned, adopted, and executed, +would give a strong impulsion to your loan, if adopted +here.</p> + +<p>I am but just arrived, and have not yet seen our bankers. +Saturday and Sunday are usually spent at country +seats. But before I leave this place, I shall be able to inform +you more precisely, whether you may depend on anything +from hence. No pains of mine shall be spared. +The British stocks are so low that we may hope for something. +If a Minister is sent to London, you should give +him a commission to borrow money. If he conducts the +matter with secrecy and caution, he may probably obtain +a considerable sum there. There are monied men in +that country who wish us well. There are others who +may easily be inspired with more faith in our funds, than +they can rationally have in their own. If upon advising +with proper persons, he should not judge it prudent to open +a loan there, he might easily put things in a train for some +individuals to purchase obligations in your loan in Amsterdam. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_117" id="Page_117">117</a></span> +So dismal are the prospects in England, that many +men are on the wing to fly, and some would be willing to +transfer their property across the Atlantic.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">The Hague, July 30th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I have been the more particular in my letters to you +concerning that extensive manufacture and commerce of +refined sugars in this country, because the proximity of all +the sugar colonies to us renders a share in it naturally useful +and convenient, both to us and them. Fifty thousand +hogsheads of raw sugar are annually wrought in this Republic, +and exported at a great profit to Germany, Denmark, +Sweden, Russia, Poland, and Italy. At Amsterdam I visited +a number of respectable merchants, in order to discover +their sentiments concerning the communication between us +and their Islands and sugar colonies. They all agree, that +St Eustatia and Curaçoa are and will be commercial +Islands, open and free to all our vessels. St Martin's is +divided between the French and Danes and the Dutch, +whose share of it does not flourish. The colonies upon the +continent, Surinam, Berbice, Demarara, and Essequibo, +are at a greater distance from us. But they will be open +to our vessels and their cargoes, because they all agree, +that those colonies cannot subsist without our horses, lumber +and provisions, nor without the sale to us of their +molasses. We shall be allowed to take in return molasses, +with which some quantities of sugar, coffee, and other produce +are always smuggled, as they say. But although +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_118" id="Page_118">118</a></span> +nothing has been as yet determined, it is the general opinion, +that the produce of the colonies must be brought home +in Dutch ships, as heretofore, molasses excepted.</p> + +<p>From the Secretary of the West India Company I have +obtained a few minutes, in so bad French, that I almost +despair of rendering them intelligible. I have attempted it, +however, in the following translation, viz.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"><p>"In the grant of the West India Company, renewed, or +more properly newly erected, in the year 1700, continued +in 1730, prolonged afterwards in the year 1760 for two +years, and in the year 1762, from the first of January to +the thirtyfirst of December, 1791, are found the limits +fixed, only for the inhabitants of these Seven United Provinces, +under the name of the United Company of these +Provinces, upon the coasts and country of Africa, computing +from the Tropic of Cancer to the southern latitude of +the Equinoctial Line, with all the Islands in this district, +situated upon the said coast, and particularly the Islands of +St Thomas, Annebon, Islands of Principia and Fernando +Po, as also the places of Essequibo and Baumenora, +situated upon the Continental Coasts of America, as also +the Islands of Curaçoa, Amaba and Buen Aire. All the +other limits of the ancient grant being open for the commerce +of all the inhabitants of the Republic, without exception, +upon condition, however, that if the Company, +oriental and occidental, should judge proper to navigate to +the Islands situated between the coasts of Africa and +America, beginning at the Ascension and further south, or +any of them, and should occupy it before any other should +have a private grant, with exclusion of all others for so long +time as it shall occupy its places, and in case they should +desist, these places should return under the second class, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_119" id="Page_119">119</a></span> +open for the navigation of every individual of the Republic, +paying an acknowledgment, &c. That the said particulars, +trading in the said districts, shall be obliged to acknowledge +the Western Company, and to pay them for +the right of convoy, and consequently in form of acknowledgment, +viz. for the productions and merchandises for +the West Indies, two per cent, and returning from thence +into these Provinces, two per cent more for the commodities +in return. And further, the ships navigating to places +farther distant in America, contained in the ancient grant, +both in going and returning, should pay five florins per last, +or more or less as their High Mightinesses shall judge +proper to determine hereafter; observing, nevertheless, +that these five florins per last shall not be demanded of +ships navigating to the Caribee Islands, which shall pay +the ordinary duty for convoy to the Colleges of the Admiralty +from which they sail, and the said private navigators +shall be held, moreover, for the satisfaction of the Western +Company, to give sufficient caution, that they will not navigate, +nor cause to be navigated, the places contained in +the first class, ceded to the Company with exclusion of +all others. And if any one is found to act contrary, and +to navigate to any place situated in the prescribed limits, +and granted to the Company, his ship and cargo shall be +confiscated and attacked in force, by the ships belonging +to the said Company; and if such ships and merchandises +or commodities, shall be sold or entered into any other +country or foreign port, the owner and his accomplice shall +be liable to execution, for the value of the said ships and +merchandises or commodities.</p> + +<p>"The Company has also the right to require an acknowledgment +of all those who shall navigate, import or export +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_120" id="Page_120">120</a></span> +any merchandise to or from places belonging to the said +Company, notwithstanding they may be subject, and may +belong to the domination of other Kings or Princes, situated +within the limits stipulated in the grant; and especially +of every foreign vessel, bringing any commodities or merchandises +from the West Indies, or the limits stipulated in +the grants into the Provinces, whether upon its own account, +or freight, or on commission, whether such foreign +vessel shall come directly from the West Indies; and the +limits of the grant, into the Provinces, or whether she +shall have carried her cargo to other countries or kingdoms, +for what reason soever this may be done. Excepting +only in case the merchandises of the proprietor should +by negotiation be changed in nature, and that the duty of +this country fixed to the place should be paid, which any +one alleging shall be obliged to prove sufficiently, according +to the amount of the merchandises. Declaring, moreover, +for the further elucidation of the said grant, that +under the name of the New Low Countries, in consequence +of the three per cent, which the Company has a +right to require for the merchandises sent there, or brought +from thence, is understood that part of North America, +which extends itself west and south of the northern part of +Newfoundland as far as the Cape of Florida, and for what +regards the payment of the two per cent under the name +of the West Indies, to be computed from the Cape of +Florida, to the river Oronoco, and the Islands of Curaçoa. +For what concerns the other places of America, +contained in the most ancient and precedent grant, in regard +to the five florins per last, upon the vessels there navigating, +shall be understood all the Carribee Islands, Cuba, +Jamaica, Hispaniola and Porto Rico, as also all the other +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_121" id="Page_121">121</a></span> +coasts and countries, computing from the river Oronoco +aforesaid, by the straits of Magellan, Le Maire, or other +passages or straits, situated under these, as far as the +strait of Aryan, both upon the sea of the north, and the +Islands situated upon the other side, and between them, as +also the southern countries, situated between the two meridians, +touching at the east the Cape of Good Hope, and +in the west the eastern part of New Guinea, inclusively."</p></div> + +<p>If this paper is not very clear to Congress, it is not more +so to me, and perhaps to the Dutch themselves. There is +a dispute likely to arise between the West India Company +and the College of the Admiralty about it, which will be +explained further as it proceeds, by whatever Minister you +may send here.</p> + +<p>Upon the whole matter of our communications with the +European establishments in the West Indies; we shall +carry freely our commodities to the French and Dutch, +excepting, perhaps, flour to the French, which however +will be carried, I suppose, to St Lucia and Port Royal, as +well as St Eustatia and Curaçoa, St Thomas's and St +Martin's, and there sold to any nation that will purchase it. +Molasses and rum we shall bring away freely from the +French and Dutch. And if we can obtain of them the +liberty of carrying sugars, coffee, &c. from their possessions +in the West Indies to their ports in Europe, giving +bonds with surety to land them in such ports, it will be as +much as we can expect. If they will allow raw sugars, +coffee, cotton, &c. to be sent freely to the United States in +their own vessels, this would be an advantage for us, though +not so considerable as to bring them in ours. What the +English will do is uncertain. We are not to take the late +proclamation for a law of the Medes. The Ministry who +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_122" id="Page_122">122</a></span> +made it are not firm in their seats. If Shelburne comes +in we shall do better; and, to be prepared to take advantage +of so probable an event, you should have a Minister +ready. We have one infallible resource, if we can unite in +laying a duty or a prohibition. But this measure must not +be hastily taken, because by negotiation, I apprehend, the +point may be carried in England. To this end it may be +proper to instruct your Minister, and authorise him to say, +that the States will find themselves obliged, against their +inclination, to lay a prohibition or heavy duty upon all West +India goods imported, and all American productions exported +in British bottoms, if the trade is not regulated by +treaty upon an equitable footing.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">The Hague, July 31st, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The last evening at Court in the house in the Grove, +where all the foreign Ministers supped, the Count Montagnini +de Mirabel, the Minister Plenipotentiary from the +King of Sardinia, took an opportunity to enter largely into +conversation with me. As he and I were at a party of +politics, while the greatest part of the company were at +cards, for two or three hours, we ran over all the world, +but nothing occurred worth repeating except what follows.</p> + +<p>The Count said, that his advice to Congress would be +to write a circular letter to every power in Europe, as soon +as the definitive treaty should be signed, and transmit with +it a printed copy of the treaty. In the letter, Congress +should announce, that on the 4th of July, 1776, the United +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_123" id="Page_123">123</a></span> +States had declared themselves a sovereign State, under +the style and title of the United States of America; that +France, on the 6th of February, 1778, had acknowledged +them; that the States-General had done the same on the +19th of April, 1782; that Great Britain, on the 30th of +November, 1782, had signed with them a treaty of peace, in +which she had fully acknowledged their sovereignty; that +Sweden had entered into a treaty with them, on the 5th of +February, 1783; and that Great Britain had concluded +the definitive treaty under the mediation of the two Empires, +if that should be the fact, &c. Such a notification +to all the other powers would be a regular procedure, a +piece of politeness, which would be very well received, +and the letter would be respectfully answered by every +power in the world, and these written answers would be +explicit, and undeniable acknowledgments of our sovereignty.</p> + +<p>It might have been proper to make this communication +in form, immediately after the declaration of independence; +it might have been more proper to do it after the +signature of the provisional treaty; but that it was expected +it would be done after the definitive treaty. That +these circular letters might be transmitted to your Ministers +for peace, or such of them as may remain, or to any +of your Ministers in Europe, to be by them delivered to +the Ministers at the Court where they are, or transmitted +any other way. That Congress must be very exact in the +etiquette of titles, as this was indispensable, and the letters +could not be answered nor received without it. That we +might have these titles at the Count de Vergennes' office +with precision, &c.</p> + +<p>The Count then proceeded to commerce, and said, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_124" id="Page_124">124</a></span> +that all the cabinets of Europe had lately turned their views +to commerce, so that we should be attended to and respected +by all of them. He thought we should find our +account in a large trade in Italy, every part of which had +a constant demand for our tobacco, and salt-fish, at least. +The dominions of the King, his master, could furnish us in +exchange, oranges, citrons, olives, oil, raisins, figs, anchovies, +coral, lead, sulphur, alum, salt, marble of the +finest quality and gayest colors, manufactures of silk, especially +silk stockings twenty per cent cheaper than +France, hemp, and cordage. He said, we might have +great advantages in Italy in another respect. We had it +in our power to become the principal carriers for the people +of Italy, who have little skill or inclination for navigation +or commerce. The (<i>cabotage</i>) carrying-trade of +Italy had been carried on by the English, French, and +Dutch; the English had now lost it, the French had some +of it, but the Dutch the most, who made an immense +profit of it; for to his knowledge they sold in the Baltic, +and even in Holland, many Italian productions, at a profit +of five or six for one. That we should have the advantage +of them all. By bringing our tobacco and fish to +Italy, we might unload at some of their ports, take in +cargoes upon freight for other ports of Italy, and thus make +coasting voyages, until we had made up our cargoes for +return, or we might take in cargoes on freight for Germany, +or the Baltic. The Dutch, he said, would be the greatest +losers by this rivalry, but as long as the Italians and Americans +would be honestly gainers, neither need be anxious +for that. That there was a very good port in his master's +dominions, which was perfectly free, where we might go +in and out at pleasure, without being subject to duties, +searches, or visits. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_125" id="Page_125">125</a></span></p> + +<p>We then made a transition to Turkey; the Count could +not, for his part, blame the Emperor for wishing to open +the navigation of the Danube; his kingdom of Hungary +was one of the finest countries in the world; it was one of +the most fertile, producing in great abundance wines of +various sorts, all excellent, though Tokay was the best; +grains of every sort in great quantities, metals of all sorts, +gold, silver, copper, iron, quicksilver; yet all these blessings +of nature were rendered in a manner useless by the +slavery of the Danube. The Emperor was very unfortunate, +in having the Danube enslaved on one side, and the +Scheldt on the other; and in this age, when the liberty of +navigation and commerce was the universal cry, he did not +wonder at his impatience under it. He did not think, that +England would meddle in the dispute, as her trade to the +Levant had declined. The Dutch had some still, but +France had now the greatest part of it to Smyrna, Alexandria, +Aleppo, in short, to all the trading towns of Turkey +in Asia, for this is what is understood by the Levant trade. +France, he thought, could not venture to engage in the +war in earnest, in the present state of her finances.</p> + +<p>I have learnt, since I came here, that France is desirous +that this Republic should declare herself concerning this +Turkish war. But she will avoid it. Unhappily, France +has lost much of her influence here. Her friends fear, +that the odium of losing Negapatnam will fall upon them +among the people. The English and the Stadtholderians +are endeavoring to detach the Republic entirely from +France, and to revive the ancient connexions, particularly +the ancient alliance, offensive and defensive in the treaty of +1674. A Mr Shirley, at Paris, has lately proposed to M. +Boers, and M. Van der Pere, two agents of the Dutch +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_126" id="Page_126">126</a></span> +East India Company, who have been a year or two at +Paris, and are reputed to be in the Stadtholder's interest, +that England had the best dispositions towards the Republic, +and would give them ample satisfaction if they would +treat distinctly from France, and renew the ancient cordial +friendship, and proposed an interview with the Dutch Ambassadors +upon this subject. The agents proposed it, but +Brantzen refused, to the great satisfaction of the principal +republicans. Yet M. Berenger tells me, that some of the +republican members begin to be afraid, and to think they +shall be obliged to fall in with the English.</p> + +<p>Upon conversing with many people in the government +and out of it, in Amsterdam as well as the Hague, they all +complain to me of the conduct of France. They all confess, +that the Republic has not done so much in the war +as she ought, but this is the fault of the friends of England, +they say, not those of France, and the worst evils of all, +that befall the latter, are the reproaches of the former, who +now say insultingly, "this comes of confiding in France, we +always told you, that you would be cheated," &c. France +ought, they say, to have considered this, and not have imputed +to the Republic the faults of her enemies, because +the punishment falls wholly on her friends.</p> + +<p>I mention these things to you, because, although we are +not immediately interested in them, they may have consequences +which may affect us; and, therefore, you ought +to know them. I think, however, upon the whole, the +Republic will stand firm, and refuse to receive the alliance, +though they sacrifice Negapatnam. France wishes to win +the Republic into an alliance, but feels an awkwardness about +proposing it, and, indeed, I doubt whether she would now +succeed; she might have succeeded heretofore. But, in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_127" id="Page_127">127</a></span> +plain English, Sir, the Count de Vergennes has no conception +of the right way of negotiating with any free people, +or with any assembly, aristocratical or democratical. +He cannot enter into the motives which govern them; he +never penetrates their real system, and never appears to +comprehend their constitution. With empires, and monarchs, +and their Ministers of State, he negotiates aptly +enough.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">The Hague, August 1st, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I had last evening some conversation with D. Joas Theolonico +de Almeida, the Envoy Extraordinary of Portugal, +who desired to meet me today at any hour at his house or +mine. I promised to visit him at twelve, which I did.</p> + +<p>He said, he had heard that the French Minister had +proposed to the Duke of Manchester, at Versailles, to reduce +the duties upon French wines in England to the level +of those upon Portugal wines, and begged of me to inform +him if it were true, because, if it were, Portugal must endeavor +to indemnify herself by opening a trade with America, +or some other way, for such a project will be ruinous +to the sale of their wines in England, which was their only +market. I answered, that I had heard of such a project +among multitudes of others in private conversation, but +knew no authority for it. We have a treaty, says he, +made in 1703, by which we have stipulated with the English, +to permit the importation of their cloths, upon condition +that they allow the importation of Portugal wines +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_128" id="Page_128">128</a></span> +upon paying one third of the duty upon French wines; if +they violate the treaty, says he, we shall be rid of it.</p> + +<p>I asked him, if his Court permitted the English, or any +other nation, to go to the Brazils? In the last century, said +he, between 1660 and 1670, we did agree with Charles +the Second, who married a daughter of Portugal, that the +English should go to the Brazils, and after that, the Dutch +sued for permission to go there too, and we granted it. +But we found it inconvenient, and in 1714 or 1715, at the +treaty of Utrecht, we agreed upon an article with Spain, +to exclude all nations from the Brazils, and as the English +Ambassadors were there, we have since held that nation +bound, and have confiscated their vessels as well as the +Dutch which venture there. The English have sometimes +made strong remonstrances, but we have always told them, +if we admit you, we must admit the Dutch too, and such +has been their jealousy of the Dutch, and dread of their +rivalry, that this has always quieted them, choosing rather +to be excluded themselves, than that the Dutch should be +admitted. So that this commerce has been a long time +carried on in Portuguese ships only, and directly between +the Brazils and Lisbon.</p> + +<p>I asked him, whether we might not have free communication +with all their Western Islands, and whether one or +all of them might not be made a depot for the produce of +the Brazils, so that Portuguese ships might stop and deposit +cargoes there, and American vessels take them? He +said, he would write about it to his Court by the next post. +At present, Brazil communicated only with Lisbon, and, +perhaps, it might be difficult for government to secure the +duties at the Western Islands. I asked, if there were any +refineries of sugar at Lisbon? He said, none. Their +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_129" id="Page_129">129</a></span> +sugars had all been brought here by the Dutch for refining; +that all their carrying-trade with other parts of Europe +had been carried on by the English and Dutch; that +their mercantile navigation (<i>marine marchand</i>) before this +war, had been upon a very poor footing, but it was now +much changed, and they began to carry on their trade in +their own vessels. I observed, if their trade should continue +to be carried on by others, it must be indifferent to +them whether it were done in English, Dutch, or American +vessels, provided it was done to their equal advantage. +But if they should persist in the desire to conduct it in +their own vessels, they might purchase ships ready built in +America cheaper than they could build them or buy them +elsewhere. All this, he said, was true. That they could +supply us with sugars, coffee, cocoa, Brazil wood, and even +with tea, for they had an island, called Macao, near China, +which was a flourishing establishment, and sent them annually +a good deal of tea, which the Dutch usually bought +very cheap at Lisbon to sell again.</p> + +<p>He asked, whether Portugal wines had been much +used in America. I answered, that Port wines, common +Lisbon, and Caracavalles, had been before the war frequently +used, and that Madeira was esteemed above all +other wine. That it was found equally wholesome and +agreeable, in the heats of summer and the colds of winter, +so that it would probably continue to be preferred, though +there was no doubt that a variety of French wines would +now be more commonly used than heretofore. He said, +they should have occasion for a great deal of our fish, +grain, and perhaps ships or ship-timber, and naval stores, +and other things, and he thought there was a prospect of a +very beneficial trade with us, and he would write largely +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_130" id="Page_130">130</a></span> +to his Court upon it. I replied, that I wondered his Court +had not sent a Minister to Philadelphia, where the members +and Ministers of Congress, and even the merchants of +the city, might throw much light upon the subject, and +assist in framing a treaty to the greatest possible advantage +for both countries. He said, he would write for a commission +and instructions to negotiate a treaty with me. I +told him, that I believed his Court had already instructed +their Ambassador at Versailles to treat with Dr Franklin; +but that I thought that Philadelphia or Lisbon were the +proper places to treat, and that I feared mutual advantages +might be lost by this method of striking up a bargain in +haste in a distant country, between Ministers who could +not be supposed to have made of commerce a study.</p> + +<p>In a letter from Paris yesterday, I am informed that a +project of a treaty with Portugal, and another with Denmark, +are to go home by Captain Barney.<a name="FNanchor_9" id="FNanchor_9" href="#Footnote_9" class="fnanchor">[9]</a> These +projects have never been communicated to me, nor to Mr +Jay. I hope that Congress will not be in haste to conclude +them, but take time to inform themselves of everything +which may be added to the mutual advantage of the +nations and countries concerned. I am much mistaken, if +we have not lost advantages by a similar piece of cunning +in the case of Sweden.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to +be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_131" id="Page_131">131</a></span></p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_9" id="Footnote_9"></a><a href="#FNanchor_9"><span class="label">[9]</span></a> For these treaties, and some account of them, see <i>Franklin's Correspondence</i>, +Vol. IV. pp. 114, 115, 130, 141, 150.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">The Hague, August 2d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>M. Berenger, the Secretary of the French Legation, +has this moment left me. He came in to inform me of +the news. The Empress of Russia has communicated to +the King of Prussia, a treaty of alliance between the Emperor +of Germany and her, defensive against the Christian +powers and offensive against the Turks. The King of +Prussia has answered her, "that he is very sensible, upon +this communication, as one is upon the communication of +things of great importance." Thus wrapped up in an impenetrable +reserve is this great warrior and statesman. +We may discern by this answer, what all the world would +know without it, viz. that his Majesty has no joy in this +new alliance. Still he expresses no sorrow; and maintains +a perfect liberty to take which side he will, or +neither, at his pleasure, and the same reserve he will probably +hold to the end of the war.</p> + +<p>M. Berenger says, if Prussia is neutral France must be +so too, for she cannot cope by land with the two Empires; +that this Republic is desired to declare, but does not +choose it; that they are dissatisfied, and the republicans +murmur a good deal, and are wavering, and that the other +party will do nothing; that England hitherto has favored +an accommodation between Russia and the Turks; that +the British Ambassador, at Constantinople, has co-operated +with the French to bring about an accommodation; that +the Turks have offered Russia the free navigation of the +Black Sea and passage of the Dardanelles, and the same +with a free navigation of the Danube to the Emperor, but +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_132" id="Page_132">132</a></span> +they will not accept it, but are determined to drive the +Turks from Europe; that France has determined to put +her army upon a war footing, because it has been much +neglected during the late war; that he believes France +and Spain will shut the Mediterranean against a Turkish +fleet, as Russia, Sweden, and Denmark excluded warlike +vessels from the Baltic in the last war; that this state of +things gives him great pain, and must embarrass the Count +de Vergennes. It is a great and difficult question, whether +France should take a side. If she does not, and the Empires +should prevail, it will be an immense aggrandizement +of the House of Austria, which, with Russia, will become +two great maritime powers; that England will act an insidious +part; pretend to favor peace, secretly foment war, +and join in, at the end, if she sees a favorable opportunity +to crush France. These are sensible observations of M. +Berenger, who added, that a new difficulty in the way of +the definitive treaty had arisen between England and +Spain, respecting the Musquito shore, so that more couriers +must go and return.</p> + +<p>I confess myself as much in pain at this state of things +as M. Berenger, and, therefore, I wish most ardently, that +we may omit no proper means of settling our question with +every Court in Europe, and especially our plan of commerce +with Great Britain. If this is too long left in uncertainty, +the face of things may soon change, so as to +involve us in the complicated, extensive, and long war, +which seems to be now opening.</p> + +<p>The prospect of returning to Paris, and living there without +my family, in absolute idleness, at a time when so many +and so great things want to be done for our country elsewhere, +is very disagreeable. If we must live there, waiting +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_133" id="Page_133">133</a></span> +for the moving of many waters, and treaties are to be +there negotiated with the powers of Europe, or only with +Denmark and Portugal, I pray that we may all be joined +in the business, as we are in the commission for peace, +that, at least, we may have the satisfaction of knowing +what is done, and of giving a hint for the public good, if +any one occurs to us, and that we may not be made the +sport and ridicule of all Europe, as well as of those who +contrive such humiliations for us.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With the greatest respect, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">The Hague, August 3d, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The fiscal systems of the powers of Europe have such +an ill influence on commerce, that they deserve the serious +attention of Congress and their Ministers, whenever they +have under consideration a treaty with any foreign power. +In conversation yesterday with M. d'Asp, the <i>Chargé +d'Affaires</i> of Sweden, I inquired of him what imposts +were payable in their ports upon the importation and exportation +of merchandises, and observed to him, that I had +lately seen in the gazettes, that the King had taken off +certain duties upon the importation of merchandises from +America, in Swedish ships. He agreed that such a thing +had been done. This ought to alarm us. All the powers +of Europe, who are called neutral, have felt a sudden +increase of their navigation in the course of the late war, +and the profits they have made have excited a desire to +augment it still further. If they should generally exact +duties of our ships, and none of their own upon the importation +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_134" id="Page_134">134</a></span> +of our produce, this will be as great a discouragement +to our navigation as it will be an encouragement to +theirs. Whether this has been attended to in the treaty +with Sweden I know not, for I have not seen it. But it +ought to be carefully considered by those who negotiate +the treaties with Denmark and Portugal, the Emperor and +Empress, and all other powers. We have a good right to +insist, that no distinction shall be made in their ports between +their ships and ours; that we should pay in their +ports no higher duties than they pay in ours.</p> + +<p>I should think it therefore advisable for Congress to +instruct their negotiators, to endeavor to obtain equity in +this respect. This is the time for it, if ever. If we cannot +obtain it by negotiation, we must think and talk of +doing ourselves justice by making similar distinctions in +our own ports between our vessels and theirs. But here +again comes in the difficulty of uniting our States in such +measures; a difficulty which must be surmounted, or our +commerce, navigation, and marine will still be ruined, notwithstanding +the conservation of the fisheries. It deserves +to be considered by whom this new method of huddling +up treaties at Paris is contrived, and for what purposes. +It may well be conjectured, that it is done with the secret +intention of preventing these things from being attended +to; for there are persons who had rather that any other +people should have navigation than the Americans. I +have good reason to believe that it was known at Versailles, +that Mr Dana had well digested his thoughts upon +this subject, which was reason enough for some people to +endeavor to take Sweden out of his hands, in whose department +it was. Their success is much to be lamented.<a name="FNanchor_10" id="FNanchor_10" href="#Footnote_10" class="fnanchor">[10]</a> +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_135" id="Page_135">135</a></span></p> + +<p>I had yesterday and the day before long conversations +with the Baron Van der Capellen de Pal, and M. Gyselaer. +They both complain to me, in the most pathetic +terms, of the cruel situation of the friends of America and +France in this Republic. They both say, that they are +looking round every way like drowning men for support. +The Province of Friesland, their great dependence, wavers, +and many of their fellow-laborers are discouraged. +They both inquired of me very earnestly, if closer connexions +could not be formed with us; if we could not +agree to warrant to each other the liberty of navigation, or +enter into an alliance, offensive and defensive. They see +they shall be obliged to make a shameful peace, and that +the blame of it will fall upon them, which will give a triumph +to the Court, and put their persons even in danger. +They say, the King of France, by his Ambassador, in +July, 1782, gave them a positive assurance that he would +never separate his cause from theirs. In consequence of +this, they had instructed their Ambassadors never to separate +their cause from his. On their part the agreement +had been sacredly observed, but not on the other. With +Great Britain enraged against them, with a formidable +party in the Republic furious against them, with the King +of Prussia threatening them, and abandoned by France, +their prospects are, they say, as disagreeable as can be +conceived.</p> + +<p>There are many appearances of designs to excite the +people to seditions, and I think it probable that the Court +of London studies delays of the Definitive Treaty in this +hope. I still believe, however, that the people will be wise +and the Republic firm, and submit to the immense losses +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_136" id="Page_136">136</a></span> +of the war, and that of Negapatnam, rather than renew +their old submission to the Court and to England.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_10" id="Footnote_10"></a><a href="#FNanchor_10"><span class="label">[10]</span></a> The plan of the treaty with Sweden was sent out to Dr Franklin +by Congress, and adopted with hardly a verbal alteration. See +the plan, and the treaty as adopted, in the Secret Journals of Congress, +Vol. III. pp. 227, 369.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, August 10th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On the 6th I left the Hague, and last night arrived here. +I had several interviews, on some of the last days at the +Hague, which I had not time to give you an account of, +as a great part of my time was taken up with visits to take +leave of the Court, the President, the Grand Pensionary, +Greffier, &c. ceremonies which must be repeated at every +coming and going, and upon many other occasions, to the +no small interruption of business of more importance.</p> + +<p>I asked the Count de Sanafeé, the Spanish Minister, +with whom I have always lived upon very good terms, +whether it might not be possible to persuade his Court, +that it would be good policy for them to allow to the citizens +of the United States of America a free port, in some +of their islands at least, if not upon the Continent of South +America? He said he did not know; that he thought, +however, his Court would be afraid of the measure, as free +ports were nests of smugglers, and afforded many facilities +of illicit trade, (<i>le commerce interlope</i>.)</p> + +<p>I asked him further, whether measures might not be +taken at Madrid, to the end that the sugars, coffee, cocoa, +&c. of their Colonies might be carried to the free ports +of France, Holland, and Denmark, in the West Indies or +one of them, in Spanish vessels, that they might be there +purchased by Americans? He said he was not able to +foresee any objection against this. I asked him again, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_137" id="Page_137">137</a></span> +what objections there could be to admitting American vessels +to the Spanish Islands of Cuba and Hispaniola, to +carry their produce and purchase molasses, as they did in +the French and Dutch Colonies. Such a commerce +would be useful and profitable both to them and to us. +He said that he could not pretend to give any opinion upon +any of these points. But that we must negotiate them at +Madrid. I hope Congress will instruct their Minister at +the Court of Madrid to propose all these things, and endeavor +to obtain them.</p> + +<p>The Portuguese Envoy, Don Almeida, returned my +visit, and brought with him a copy of the treaty between +Spain and Portugal, made at Utrecht in 1715. This treaty +was signed under the warranty of Great Britain, and one +article of it is, that each nation shall confine the commerce +with its possessions in America to its own subjects. +I had much satisfaction in the conversation of this Minister, +who, though a young man, appears possessed of more +than common intelligence, and a desire to inform himself +of everything which can affect his nation. He is, as he +told me, a nephew of the present Prime Minister at the +Court of Lisbon. He says, that the <i>King his master</i>, (a +style which they continue to use, although the Queen is the +sovereign, and her husband is but her subject) allows but +sixty thousand Dutch guilders a year to his Ambassador at +Versailles, which not being sufficient for his expenses at +that Court, he is continued there because he is very rich; +but that he is not a man of business.</p> + +<p>He again enlarged upon the subject of Portuguese navigation, +which has been prettily increased, (<i>tres joliment +augmenté</i>) during the late war, and would have been still +doubled if the war had continued another year; that +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_138" id="Page_138">138</a></span> +their merchants and mariners had pushed their navigation +with more spirit than skill; had sent their wines and other +things in prize vessels purchased in France and Spain, all +over Europe; but that their seamen not being experienced, +many vessels had been lost, so that the price of +insurance was ten per cent with them, when it was not +more then three or four with other neutral nations; that +the profits had nevertheless been so considerable, as to +excite a strong inclination still to increase their shipping +and carrying-trade. These observations are worth repeating +to Congress, because all the other neutral powers have +felt a like advantage. The commerce of the northern +powers was so increased, and had turned the course of +business that way to such a degree, as occasioned to the +Danish Minister at Versailles, for example, a loss of forty +per cent upon his salary. So much was exchange affected.</p> + +<p>The late belligerent powers, having observed this sudden +increase of the commerce of the neutrals, and that it +was owing to the sudden growth of their navigation, are +alarmed. So that the attention of all the commercial nations +is now turned to navigation, carrying-trade, coasting-trade, +&c. more than ever. We should be apprised of this, +and upon our guard. Our navigation and carrying-trade +is not to be neglected. We have great advantages for +many branches of it, and have a right to claim our natural +share in it.</p> + +<p>This morning I went out to Passy, and found from Dr +Franklin and Mr Jay, that nothing farther had been done +since my departure, but to deliver to Mr Hartley a fair +copy of the project of a definitive treaty, which I had left +with my colleagues; that Mr Laurens had been here in +my absence, and returned to England; that he was of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_139" id="Page_139">139</a></span> +opinion, the present British Ministry would not remain a +fortnight; that Mr Hartley had been seven weeks without +a letter from his principals, and then received only an +apology for not having written, a promise to write soon, and +authority to assure the American Ministers that all would +go well. These last are words of course. There are but +three ways in which I can account for this conduct of the +British Ministry. 1st. The fact is, that they foresee a +change, and do not choose to commit themselves, but wish +to reserve everything for the foundation of a future opposition, +that they may attack the definitive treaty which +may be made by a future Ministry, as they attacked the +provisional and preliminary one, made by the last. 2dly. +That they are exciting secretly and insidiously the troubles +in the north, in hopes of involving France, and then assuming +a higher tone. 3dly. That they are in expectation, +that seditions may be excited in Holland, and the Dutch +induced to renounce France, and renew the ancient alliance +with England.</p> + +<p>I see no more appearance of the definitive treaty, than I +have done these six months. Mr Hartley, I am told by +Mr Jay, thinks that the French Court wish to delay the +signature; that they do not wish to see the peace finished +between England and America, while matters are uncertain +in the north. There are so many considerations on +both sides of the question, whether the French Minister +wishes to finish soon or not, that it is hard to decide it. +Neither Court possibly is very zealous to finish, while so +great a scene as the northern war lies under so much +obscurity.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_140" id="Page_140">140</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, August 13th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Yesterday I went to Court with Dr Franklin, and presented +to the Count de Vergennes our project of a definitive +treaty, who told us he would examine it and give us +his sentiments upon it.</p> + +<p>It was Ambassadors' day, and I had conversations with +a number of Ministers, of which it is proper I should give +you an account.</p> + +<p>The Dutch Ambassador, Berkenrode, told me, that last +Saturday the Count de Vergennes went to Paris, and dined +with the Imperial Ambassador, the Count de Mercy, in +company with the Duke of Manchester, the Count d'Aranda, +the Prince Bariatinski, and M. Markoff, with their +Secretaries; that after dinner the Secretaries in presence +of all the Ministers read over, compared, and corrected the +definitive treaties between France and Great Britain, and +between Spain and Great Britain, and finally agreed upon +both. So that they are now ready for signature by the +Ministers of Great Britain, France, and Spain as principals, +and by those of the two Imperial Courts as mediators.</p> + +<p>The Duke of Manchester told me, that Mr Hartley's +courier, who carried our project of a treaty, arrived in +London last Saturday, and might be expected here on next +Saturday on his return.</p> + +<p>In the evening, on my return from Versailles, Mr Hartley +called upon me at my house, and informed me, that +he had just received a courier from Westminster, who had +brought him the ratification of our provisional treaty, under +the King's own hand, and under the great seal of the kingdom, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_141" id="Page_141">141</a></span> +enclosed in a silver box, ornamented with golden tassels +as usual, which he was ready to exchange tomorrow +morning. He informed me farther, that he had received +very satisfactory letters from the Duke of Portland and +Mr Fox, and the strongest assurances, that the dispositions +of his Court were very good to finish immediately, and to +arrange all things upon the best footing; that he had +farther received plenary authority to sign the definitive +treaty tomorrow, or tonight, if we pleased; that he had +received a draft ready formed, which he would show us.</p> + +<p>We agreed to go together in the morning to my colleagues, +and this morning we went out in Mr Hartley's +carriage, exchanged the ratifications, and he produced to +us his project of a definitive treaty. It is the provisional +treaty in so many words; without addition or diminution. +It is only preceded with a preamble, which makes it a +definitive treaty. And he proposed to us, that all matters +of discussion respecting commerce or other things should +be left to be discussed by Ministers, to be mutually appointed +to reside in London and Philadelphia. We told him, +that it had been proposed to us, that the Ministers of the +two Imperial Courts should sign the treaty as mediators, +and that we had answered, that we had no objection to it.</p> + +<p>He said, he had unanswerable ones. First, he had no +authority, and could not obtain any certainly under ten +days, nor probably ever. For secondly, it would, he +thought, give great offence to his Court, and they never +would agree that any nation should interfere between +them and America. Thirdly, for his part, he was fully +against it, and should write his opinion to his Court. If he +was about to marry his daughter, or set up a son in the +world, after he was of age, he would never admit any of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_142" id="Page_142">142</a></span> +his neighbors to interfere, and sign any contract he might +make, as mediators. There was no need of it.</p> + +<p>We told him there was no need of warmth upon the occasion, +or any pretence for his Court to take offence; +that it had been proposed to us, that the Imperial Ministers +should sign as mediators. Our answer had been, that +we had no objections, that we were willing and ready to +consent to it, or even to request it. His Court had a right +to consent or dissent, as it thought proper. To be sure, +the mediation could not take place without their consent. +That he might write to his Court the proposition, and if he +received orders to consent or dissent, it would be equally +well. In the meantime, we were ready to sign the definitive +treaty, either with or without the mediation, whenever +the other parties were ready to sign, according to his +project just received from his Court, that is, simply a repetition +of the provisional treaty.</p> + +<p>We have agreed to this, because it is plain, that all +propositions for alterations in the provisional articles will be +an endless discussion, and that we must give more than we +can hope to receive. The critical state of things in England, +and at the Court of Versailles, and in all the rest of +Europe, affords pressing motives to get this business finished.</p> + +<p>Mr Hartley told us from his Court, that they had expected +an American Minister at St James's these three +months, and that all further matters might be there discussed.</p> + +<p>He also announced to us the birth of another Princess, +the fifteenth child of the Queen, upon which event he received +our congratulations, which I hope Congress will +approve and repeat by their Minister in London; for these +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_143" id="Page_143">143</a></span> +personal and family compliments are more attended to in +Courts, and have greater effects than may be imagined.</p> + +<p>I lament very much, that we cannot obtain an explanation +of the article respecting the refugees, and that respecting +debts; but it is plain, we must give more than they +are worth for such explanations; and what is of more decisive +importance, we must make a long delay, and put infinitely +greater things at hazard by this means.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, August 13th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The question before the French cabinet, whether they +shall involve themselves in a war against two Christian +Empires, in order to support a Turkish one, is of a serious +nature on many accounts. If the Turks should be driven +out of Europe, France would lose some of the Levant +trade, and some of the coasting trade of Italy; and these +commercial and naval considerations are enforced by +others, which lie deeper in the human heart, the ancient +rivalry between the great Houses of Bourbon and Austria, +and between the vast countries of Germany and France, +and between all the lesser powers, which depend upon +them. To these considerations is to be added, that an +Austrian Princess is now upon the throne of France, to +whom it is no doubt a melancholy consideration, that there +is danger of a war between a husband and a brother.</p> + +<p>The city politicians are looking out for alliances with +Prussia, Holland, and even England, but can find none. +It cannot be expected that either will engage; yet the +French Minister has gone far towards compromising his +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_144" id="Page_144">144</a></span> +master, by augmenting the array to a war establishment, +and by threatening to shut up the Mediterranean Sea.</p> + +<p>In this posture of affairs, it is not surprising, that there +should be a fermentation at Versailles, and since my return +to Paris, I find it is the general topic of conversation. +Monsieur de Breteuil, late Ambassador to the Court of Vienna, +who is supposed to be esteemed by the Queen, and +connected with her friends, is lately, about a fortnight ago, +called to the King's council, and the Maréschal de Castries, +who is in the same interest, is said to be new modelling +the subordinate offices in his department.</p> + +<p>From these, and many other considerations, it is generally +concluded, that Count de Vergennes' continuance in +the Ministry is precarious. Mr Hartley last night and today +began conversation with me upon the subject, and is +very sanguine that his Minister will continue in place but a +very short time, and assures me that the Duke of Manchester +is of the same opinion. I pretend to form no +opinion, because I have ever carefully avoided conversations +and connexions, which might be misinterpreted into +an attachment to persons or parties in this kingdom.</p> + +<p>I know, that for the last nine months many sensible +people have thought this Minister in a tottering situation; +others think he will weather out the storm, which all people +agree is preparing for him. Time will discover. One +thing is agreed on all hands, that he is not in favor with the +Queen, and as he has taken up the cause in a pretty high +tone against the Emperor and Empress, if he should be +now displaced, Congress, I think, may infer from it, that +France will not take a part in the war; on the contrary, if +he remains, it is probable she will.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_145" id="Page_145">145</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, August 13th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Yesterday at Versailles, the Baron de Walterstorff came +to me and told me he had delivered to Dr Franklin, a +project of a treaty between the Court of Denmark and the +United States, and asked me if Dr Franklin had shown it +to me? I answered him, that I knew nothing of it. He +said, he wondered at that, he presumed it was because of +my absence at the Hague, for that it had been shown to +Mr Jay. There by the way he was misinformed, for upon +my return from Versailles, I called upon Mr Jay on purpose +to ask him, and he assured me he had not seen it. +I asked Walterstorff, if his orders were to propose his project +to us all. He said no, this Court had been informed, +that Dr Franklin was the Minister authorised and empowered +by Congress to treat with all the powers of Europe, +and they had for this reason sent him orders to deliver the +project to Dr Franklin, but he supposed Dr Franklin would +consult his colleagues. The same information, I doubt +not, has been given to the Court of Portugal, and every +other Court in Europe, viz. that Dr Franklin is alone empowered +to treat with them; and in consequence of it, very +probably, propositions have been or will be made to him +from all of them, and he will keep the whole as secret as +he can from Mr Jay, Mr Laurens, Mr Dana, and me.<a name="FNanchor_11" id="FNanchor_11" href="#Footnote_11" class="fnanchor">[11]</a></p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_146" id="Page_146">146</a></span> +Now I beg to be informed by Congress, whether he has +such authority or not? Having never been informed of +such powers, I do not believe he has them. I remember +there was seven years ago a resolution of Congress, that +their Commissioners at Versailles should have power to +treat with other powers of Europe; but upon the dissolution +of that commission this authority was dissolved with +it; or if not, it still resides in Mr Deane, Mr Lee, and myself, +who were once in that commission, as well as Dr +Franklin. And if it is by virtue of this power he acts, he +ought at least to communicate with me, who alone am +present. I think, however, that neither he nor I have any +legal authority, and therefore that he ought to communicate +everything of this kind to all the Ministers here or +hereabout, Mr Jay, Mr Laurens, and myself, at least.</p> + +<p>It is not from the vain wish of seeing my poor name +upon a treaty, that I write this. If the business is well +done, it is not of much importance in itself who does it.</p> + +<p>But my duty to my country obliges me to say, that I +seriously believe this clandestine manner of smuggling treaties +is contrived by European politicians on purpose, that +Mr Jay and I may not have an opportunity of suggesting +ideas for the preservation of American navigation, transport-trade, +and nurseries of seamen. But in another point of +view it is of equal importance. This method reflects contempt +and ridicule on your other Ministers. When all +Europe sees, that a number of your Ministers are kept +here as a kind of satellites to Dr Franklin in the affair of +peace, but that they are not to be consulted or asked a +question, or even permitted to know the important negotiations +which are here going on with all Europe, they fall +into contempt. It cannot be supposed that Congress mean +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_147" id="Page_147">147</a></span> +to cast this contempt upon us, because it cannot be supposed +they mean to destroy the reputation, character, influence, +and usefulness of those to whom in other respects +they intrust powers of so much consequence; and therefore +I am persuaded, that Congress is as much imposed +on by it as the Courts of Europe are.</p> + +<p>I asked the Baron, what was the substance of the treaty. +He said his Court had taken for a model, my treaty with +Holland. I said nothing to him in answer to this, but I +beg leave to say to Congress, that the negotiation with Holland +was in very different circumstances. We were then +in the fiercest rage of the war. A treaty with that Republic +was at that time of as much weight in the war, as the +captivity of Burgoyne or Cornwallis. A treaty with any +power was worth a battle or a siege, and no moments of +time were to be lost, especially in a country so divided, +that unanimity being necessary, every proposition was dangerous. +At present the case is altered, and we may take +time to weigh and inquire. The Baron tells me, that St +Thomas and St John, two of their Islands, are free ports, +but that St Croix, which is of more importance than both, +is not. That foreign vessels, our vessels, are permitted +to bring our produce, and carry away half the value in +sugar, &c. The Island produces, <i>communibus annis</i>, twenty +thousand hogsheads of sugar, and their molasses is better +than that of the French, because they make only "<i>sucres +crutes</i>." He says, they have some sugar-houses at Copenhagen. +But notwithstanding this, I think it is worth +while for Congress to try if they cannot, by the treaty, obtain +a right to take away cargoes, to the full value of those +they bring. It is worth while to try too, if we cannot +obtain a tariff, to ascertain the duties to be paid in exportation +and importation. It is worth while too, to endeavor +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_148" id="Page_148">148</a></span> +to get the duties ascertained in the Danish ports in Europe, +at least that we may not pay in their ports more than they +pay in ours; or that our vessels may not be obliged to pay +more than theirs, especially when we import our own produce. +I pretend not to be a master of these commercial +subjects, but I think that Dr Franklin has not studied the +subject more than myself, that both of us need the advice +of Mr Laurens and Mr Jay, and that all of us want that of +American merchants, and especially of Congress. I am +therefore against this secret and hasty method of concluding +treaties, at this time, when they may be more maturely +reflected on.</p> + +<p>I know very well to what ill-natured remarks these reflections +are liable, but they shall not hinder me from +doing my duty. I do sincerely believe, there are clandestine +insinuations going about to every commercial nation in +the world, to excite them to increase their own navigation +and seamen at the expense of ours, and that this smuggling +of treaties is one means of accomplishing the design, although +Dr Franklin may not be let into the secret of it. +For, from long experience and observation, I am persuaded +that one Minister at least and his dependants would +prefer, that the navigation of any nation in the world, even +that of the English, should grow, rather than ours. In the +last <i>Courier de l'Europe</i>, it is said, that all the commercial +powers are concerting measures to clip the wings of the +eagle, and to prevent us from having a navy. I believe it. +That is to say, I believe measures are taken with them all +to bring them into this system, although they are not let +into the secret design, and do not know from whom the +measures come, nor with what views promoted.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great regard, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_149" id="Page_149">149</a></span></p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_11" id="Footnote_11"></a><a href="#FNanchor_11"><span class="label">[11]</span></a> Franklin did not assume this authority, but reported to Congress, +that propositions for treaties had been made, and desired that authority +to conclude them might be sent to him, or <i>some other person</i>. See +on this subject, <i>Franklin's Correspondence</i>, Vol. IV. pp. 74, 97, 99, +110, 114, 141. For the treaty with Sweden he had a special authority. +<i>Secret Journals</i>, Vol. III. p 240.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, August 15th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>France, England, Spain, and America are all agreed; +but Mr Hartley is sanguine, that the treaty will not be +signed, because, he says, the Count de Vergennes does +not mean to sign it. His reasons for this opinion I know +not, and I think he is mistaken. It is very certain, however, +that the French Minister is embarrassed, and would +not, perhaps, be sorry to find good reasons for postponing +the signature for some time.</p> + +<p>Congress may judge in some degree of the situation of +things, by the following conversation, which I had this +morning with M. Brantzen, the Ambassador Extraordinary +from the States-General, to whom I returned the visit he +made me yesterday, when I was abroad.</p> + +<p>He told me, "that he was as far, and indeed farther +than ever, from an agreement with the Duke of Manchester. +He had given up, he said, all pretensions to a compensation +for the unjust damages of the war, and he had in +a manner waived his claim of the restitution of Negapatnam. +But the Duke of Manchester now insisted peremptorily +upon, not only all the ancient salutations from the +Dutch flag to the English, but upon an unlimited liberty of +navigation in all the seas of the East Indies. He had despatched +an express to the Hague the day before yesterday, +who would arrive today; but the Grand Pensionary +was sick, and the States of Holland not sitting; so that +there must be some time before he could have an answer. +Concerning the salutes to the flag, there would be different +opinions, but they would be all of a mind against the liberty +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_150" id="Page_150">150</a></span> +of navigation in the Indies. He could not, therefore, +expect from their High Mightinesses permission to sign, +and the Count de Vergennes would be embarrassed. All +the other powers were ready, and to make them wait +would raise a cry.</p> + +<p>"To sign without Holland would raise a terrible storm +in Holland against the Count, and no small one in France. +And even, if the States should authorise him to sign a +shameful peace, this would raise no less clamor in Holland +and France against the Count. He will, therefore, +not know what to do, and will seek to postpone; for the +parties of the Marquis de Castries and of M. de Breteuil +will take advantage of every clamor against the Count, as +these parties wish M. de Breteuil in his place. I am persuaded, +therefore, that the Count himself looks upon his +own situation as very hazardous. It has been so a long +time. It was his instability in his place that made him +sign the preliminaries, for money to carry on the war could +not be obtained without M. Necker, and M. Necker +would not come in with the Count, as they were and are +sworn enemies to each other. He was, therefore, reduced +to the dilemma to make peace or go out. I have +good reasons to believe, that the Maréschal de Castries +disapproves of the Count's conduct towards our Republic. +He certainly deceived me. The States-General did very +wrong to bind me to leave so much to the French Minister; +but I thought him an honest man, and that I could +trust him; so I left things to him, according to my instructions, +depending on his word, and, at last, I found myself +the dupe. No, not a dupe, for I am always upon my +guard not to be a dupe. But he deceived me; and when +one, whom I have reason to believe an honest man, deceives +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_151" id="Page_151">151</a></span> +me, I cannot call myself a dupe, for I can do no +other than believe an honest man, when he gives me his +word."</p> + +<p>In several of your letters, Sir, you have insisted on my +reciting to you my conversations with foreign Ministers. +You must not esteem them infallible oracles. They are +often mistaken in their facts, and sometimes wrong in their +reasonings. But these sentiments of M. Brantzen are of +so much importance, that I thought proper to recite them. +It will, indeed, be necessary for your foreign Ministers to +be more inquisitive than we have been, and to transmit to +Congress more information concerning the intrigues of +Courts, than we have done. If the Maréschal de Castries +and M. de Breteuil, who is now in the Council, and M. +Necker are not friends to the Count de Vergennes, and all +the world here agree they are not, Congress ought to +know it. Although I would have so much respect to the +Queen, as not to name her Majesty upon unnecessary occasions, +yet, upon this, when she is sister to the Emperor, +and the question at Court is, whether there shall be a war +with her brother, it is obviously a matter of so much importance, +as to make it a duty to communicate to Congress +her sentiments, which all men here agree are favorable to +de Castries and Breteuil, but not partial to the present +Minister of foreign Affairs. I said in a former letter, if +this Minister continues, there will be war; but I am told +by some, if there is war, he cannot continue; for neither +he, nor his friends, can raise the money. M. de Rayneval, +however, affirmed positively to Mr Hartley, that +nothing but death could remove the Count.<a name="FNanchor_12" id="FNanchor_12" href="#Footnote_12" class="fnanchor">[12]</a> +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_152" id="Page_152">152</a></span></p> + +<p>All these things show the critical and uncertain constitution +of this Court, and the uncertainty when the definitive +treaty will be signed, notwithstanding that four powers are +agreed, and, therefore, I can give Congress no clear information +upon that head. This is a great chagrin to me, +both on account of the public and myself, because I am as +uncertain about my own destiny as that of the public.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_12" id="Footnote_12"></a><a href="#FNanchor_12"><span class="label">[12]</span></a> This affirmation was verified. The Count de Vergennes continued +in the Ministry till his death, which happened, February +13th, 1787.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, September 5th 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On Wednesday, the 3d day of this month, the American +Ministers met the British Minister at his lodgings at +the <i>Hôtel de York</i>, and signed, sealed, and delivered the +Definitive Treaty of Peace between the United States of +America and the King of Great Britain. Although it is +but a confirmation or repetition of the provisional articles, +I have the honor to congratulate Congress upon it, as it is +a completion of the work of peace, and the best that we +could obtain. Nothing remains now to be done but a treaty +of commerce; but this in my opinion cannot be negotiated +without a new commission from Congress to some one or +more persons. Time, it is easy to foresee, will not be +likely to render the British nation more disposed to a regulation +of commerce favorable to us, and therefore my +advice is to issue a commission as soon as may be.</p> + +<p>There is another subject on which I beg leave to represent +to Congress my sentiments, because they seem to me +of importance, and because they differ from many sanguine +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_153" id="Page_153">153</a></span> +opinions, which will be communicated to the members of +that assembly from partisans both of England and France.</p> + +<p>In the late deliberations concerning an acceptance of the +mediation of the Imperial Courts, the British Minister +refused it, and in the conferences we had with the Count +de Vergennes upon this subject, it was manifest enough to +me that he was not fond of our accepting it; for although +he maintained a perfect impartiality of language, neither +advising us for, nor against the measure, yet at last, when +it was observed that Mr Hartley was averse to it, he +turned to Dr Franklin and said, that we must agree with +Mr Hartley about it, with such a countenance, air, and +tone of voice (for from these you must often collect the +sentiments of Ministers) as convinced me he did not wish +the mediation should take place.</p> + +<p>It was not a subject which would bear insisting on either +way. I therefore made no difficulty. But I am, upon +recollection, fully of opinion that we should have done +wisely to have sent our letter to the Imperial Ministers, +accepting the mediation on our part. The signature of +these Ministers would have given reputation in Europe +and among our own citizens. I mention these, because I +humbly conceive that Congress ought, in all their proceedings, +to consider the opinion that the United States or +the people of America will entertain of themselves. We +may call this national vanity or national pride, but it is the +main principle of the national sense of its own dignity, +and a passion in human nature, without which nations cannot +preserve the character of man. Let the people lose +this sentiment, as in Poland, and a partition of their country +will soon take place. Our country has but lately been a +dependent one, and our people although enlightened and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_154" id="Page_154">154</a></span> +virtuous, have had their minds and hearts habitually filled +with all the passions of a dependent and subordinate people; +that is to say, with fear, with diffidence, and distrust +of themselves, with admiration of foreigners, &c. Now I +say, that it is one of the most necessary and one of the +most difficult branches of the policy of Congress to eradicate +from the American mind, every remaining fibre of this +fear and self-diffidence on one hand, and of this excessive +admiration of foreigners on the other.</p> + +<p>It cannot be doubted one moment, that a solemn acknowledgment +of us by the signature of the two Imperial +Courts would have had such a tendency in the minds of +our countrymen. But we should also consider, upon every +occasion, how our reputation will be affected in Europe. +We shall not find it easy to keep up the respect for us, that +has been excited by the continual publication of the exploits +of this war. In the calm of peace, little will be said +about us in Europe unless we prepare for it, but by those +who have designs upon us. We may depend upon it, +everything will be said in Europe and in the gazettes, +which anybody in Europe wants to have repeated in +America, to make such impressions upon the minds of our +citizens, as he desires. It will become us, therefore, to +do everything in our power to make reasonable and just +impressions upon the public opinion in Europe. The +signature of the two Imperial Courts would have made a +deep and important impression in our favor, upon full one +half of Europe, as friends to those Courts, and upon all +the other half as enemies.</p> + +<p>I need not explain myself further. I may however +add, that Americans can scarcely conceive the decisive +influence of the governments of Europe upon their people. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_155" id="Page_155">155</a></span> +Every nation is a piece of clockwork, every wheel is under +the absolute direction of the sovereign as its weight or +spring. In consequence of this, all that moiety of mankind +that are subject to the two imperial Courts and their allies, +would, in consequence of their mediation have been openly +and decidedly our friends at this hour, and the other +half of Europe would certainly have respected us more for +this. But at present, the two Imperial Courts not having +signed the treaty, all their friends are left in a state of +doubt and timidity concerning us. From all the conversations +I have had with the Count de Mercy and M. Markoff, +it is certain that the two Courts wished, as these Ministers +certainly were ambitious to, sign our treaty. They +and their sovereigns wished that their names might be +read in America, and there respected as our friends. +But this is now past. England and France will be most +perfectly united in all artifices and endeavors to keep down +our reputation at home and abroad, to mortify our self-conceit, +and to lessen us in the opinion of the world. If +we will not see, we must be the dupes; we need not, for +we have in our own power, with the common blessing, the +means of everything we want. There is but one course +now left to retrieve the error, and that is to send a Minister +to Vienna with power to make a treaty with both the +Imperial Courts. Congress must send a Minister first, or +it will never be done. The Emperor never sends first, +nor will England ever send a Minister to America, until +Congress shall have sent one to London.</p> + +<p>To form immediate commercial connexions with that +half of Europe, which ever has been, and with little variations +ever will be, opposite to the House of Bourbon, is a +fundamental maxim of that system of American politics, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_156" id="Page_156">156</a></span> +which I have pursued invariably from the beginning of this +war. It is the only means of preserving the respect of the +House of Bourbon itself; it is the only means in conjunction +with our connexions with the House of Bourbon, already +formed, to secure us the respect of England for any +length of time, and to keep us out of another war with that +kingdom. It is, in short, the only possible means of securing +to our country that peace, neutrality, impartiality, and +indifference in European wars, which, in my opinion, we +shall be unwise in the last degree, if we do not maintain. +It is, besides, the only way in which we can improve and +extend our commercial connexions to the best advantage.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect, I am,</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ELIAS BOUDINOT, PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, September 8th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Yesterday morning Mr Jay informed me, that Dr +Franklin had received, and soon after the Doctor put into +my hands, the resolution of Congress of the 1st of May,<a name="FNanchor_13" id="FNanchor_13" href="#Footnote_13" class="fnanchor">[13]</a> +ordering a commission and instructions to be prepared to +those gentlemen and myself for making a Treaty of Commerce +with Great Britain. This resolution, with your +Excellency's letter, arrived very seasonably, as Mr Hartley +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_157" id="Page_157">157</a></span> +was setting off for London with information from us, +that our powers were executed.</p> + +<p>I am very sensible of the honor, that is done me by this +resolution of Congress, and of the great importance of +the business committed to our care; and shall not, therefore, +hesitate to take a part in it. I can attend to this +business, and at the same time have some care of your +affairs in Holland; and in case the present loan should be +full in the course of the next winter, I can open a new +one, either by going to Amsterdam, or by having the obligation +sent to me in Paris to be signed. In this way +there will be no additional expense to the public, as I have +informed M. Dumas, that there must be no expense made +at the Hague on my account, or on account of Congress, +but that all his expenses must be borne by himself, or he +must at least settle them with Congress. I have so much +regard for this gentleman, and such an opinion of his worth +and merit, that I cannot but recommend him upon this +occasion to Congress, for the commission of Secretary of +that Legation, but as economy is and ought to be carefully +attended to, I presume not to point out the salary, which +will be proper. There are so many ways of pillaging +public men in Europe, that it will be difficult for Congress +to conceive the expenses, which are unavoidable in these +countries.</p> + +<p>If the principle of economy should restrain Congress +from sending Ministers to Vienna, Petersburg, Copenhagen +and Lisbon, they will probably send a commission to +Paris to negotiate treaties there, because I think it will appear +to be of great importance, both in a political and commercial +light, to have treaties with these powers. If this +should be the case, as three of us will be now obliged to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_158" id="Page_158">158</a></span> +attend at Paris the tedious negotiation with every Court, +we can all at the same time and with the same expense +attend to the negotiations with the other powers; which +will afford to all an opportunity of throwing in any hints, +which may occur for the public good, and will have a +much better appearance in the eyes of Europe and America. +I do not hesitate, therefore, to request, that if such +a commission or commissions should be sent, that all your +Ministers in Europe may be inserted in it. If the arrangement +should make any difficulty in America, it will make +none with me; for although I think there was good +reason for the order in which the names stand in the new +commission for peace, and in the resolution for a new +commission for a treaty of commerce, that reason will not +exist in any future commission.</p> + +<p>Mr Hartley's powers are sufficient to go through the negotiation +with us, and I suppose it will be chiefly conducted +at Paris, yet we may all think it proper to make a tour to +London, for a few weeks especially, in case any material +obstacle should arise. We are told, that such a visit +would have a good effect at Court and with the nation; at +least, it seems clear it would do no harm.</p> + +<p>With the greatest respect and esteem, I have the honor +to be, Sir, your most obedient and most humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_13" id="Footnote_13"></a><a href="#FNanchor_13"><span class="label">[13]</span></a> "Ordered, That a commission be prepared to John Adams, Benjamin +Franklin, and John Jay, authorising them, or either of them in +the absence of the others, to enter into a treaty of commerce between +the United States of America and Great Britain, subject to the revisal +of the contracting parties previous to its final conclusion; and, +in the meantime, to enter into a commercial convention, to continue +in force one year."</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, September 8th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>As the resolution of Congress of the 1st of May has +determined it to be my duty to remain in Europe, at least +another winter, I shall be obliged to say many things to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_159" id="Page_159">159</a></span> +your Excellency by letter, which I hoped to have had the +honor of saying upon the floor of your house. Some of +these things may be thought at first of little consequence, +but time, and inquiry, and consideration, will show them to +have weight. Of this sort, is the subject of this letter.</p> + +<p>The views and designs, the intrigues and projects of +Courts, are let out by insensible degrees, and with infinite +art and delicacy in the gazettes.</p> + +<p>These channels of communication are very numerous; +and they are artificially complicated in such a manner, that +very few persons are able to trace the sources from whence +insinuations and projects flow. The English papers are +an engine, by which everything is scattered all over the +world. They are open and free. The eyes of mankind +are fixed upon them. They are taken by all Courts and +all politicians, and by almost all gazetteers. Of these +papers, the French emissaries in London, even in time of +war, but especially in time of peace, make a very great +use; they insert in them things which they wish to have +circulated far and wide. Some of the paragraphs inserted +in them will do to circulate through all Europe, and some +will not do in the <i>Courier de l'Europe</i>. This is the most +artful paper in the world; it is continually accommodating +between the French and English Ministry. If it should +offend the English essentially, the Ministry would prevent +its publication; if it should sin against the French unpardonably, +the Ministry would instantly stop its circulation; +it is, therefore, continually under the influence of the +French Ministers, whose under-workers have many things +translated into it from the English papers, and many others +inserted in it originally, both to the end, that they may be +circulated over the world, and particularly that they may be +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_160" id="Page_160">160</a></span> +seen by the King of France, who reads this paper constantly. +From the English papers and the <i>Courier de +l'Europe</i>, many things are transferred into various other +gazettes, the <i>Courier du Bas Rhin</i>, the <i>Gazette de Deux +Ponts</i>, the <i>Courier d'Avignon</i>, and the <i>Gazette des Pays +Bas</i>. The Gazettes of Leyden and Amsterdam, are sometimes +used for the more grave and solid objects, those of +Deux Ponts and d'Avignon for popular topics, the small +talk of coffee-houses, and still smaller and lower circles.</p> + +<p>All these papers and many others discover a perpetual +complaisance for the French Ministry, because they are +always in their power so entirely, that if an offensive paragraph +appears, the entrance and distribution of the gazette +may be stopped by an order from Court, by which the +gazetteer loses the sale of his paper in France, which is a +great pecuniary object. Whoever shall hereafter come to +Europe in any public employment, and take in the papers +above enumerated, will acknowledge his obligations to me +for mentioning them. He will find them a constant source +of amusement, and sometimes of useful discoveries. I +may hereafter possibly entertain Congress with some curious +speculations from these gazettes, which have all their +attention fixed upon us, and very often honor us with their +animadversions, sometimes with their grave counsels, but +oftener still with very subtle and sly insinuations.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Paris, September 10th, 1783.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>As I am to remain in Europe for some time longer, I +beg leave to take a cursory view of what appears necessary +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_161" id="Page_161">161</a></span> +or expedient to be further done in Europe; for I +conceive it to be not only the right but the duty of a Foreign +Minister, to advise his Sovereign, according to his +lights and judgments, although the more extensive information +and superior wisdom of the Sovereign, may frequently +see cause to pursue a different conduct.</p> + +<p>With Spain no doubt Congress will negotiate by a particular +Minister, either the present one or another, and +perhaps it would be proper that the same should treat with +Naples. With the two Empires, Prussia, Denmark, Portugal, +Sardinia and Tuscany, I humbly conceive, it might be +proper to negotiate, and perhaps with Hamburg; but there +are other powers with whom it is more necessary to have +treaties than it ought to be, I mean Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, +and Tripoli.</p> + +<p>I presume that Congress will not think it expedient to +be at the expense of sending Ministers to all these powers, +if to any. Perhaps in the present state of our finances it +may not be worth while to send any. Yet the present +time is the best to negotiate with all. I submit it to consideration +then, whether it is not advisable to send a commission +to such Minister as you judge proper, with full +powers to treat with all, to the Ministers now in Paris, or +to any others. But I humbly conceive, that if powers to +treat with all or any of these States are sent to any of your +Ministers now here, it would be for the public good, that +they should be sent to all. If Congress can find funds to +treat with the Barbary Powers, the Ministers here are the +best situated, for they should apply to the Court of Versailles +and their High Mightinesses in the first place, that +orders should be sent to their Consuls according to treaties +to assist us. Ministers here may carry on this negotiation +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_162" id="Page_162">162</a></span> +by letters, or may be empowered to send an agent if necessary. +I have no private interest in this business. My +salary will be the same, my expenses more, and labor +much increased by such a measure. But as it is of public +importance, I think, that no unnecessary delicacies should +restrain me from suggesting these hints to Congress. +Whatever their determination may be, will be satisfactory +to me.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, with the greatest respect, your +Excellency's, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN ADAMS.</p> + +<div class="section_break"></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_163" id="Page_163">163</a></span></p> +<div class="section_head"> + +<h2><span class="the">THE</span><br /> +<span class="correspondence">CORRESPONDENCE</span><br /> +<span class="of">OF</span><br /> +<span class="name">JOHN JAY;</span><br /> + +<span class="sub_name"> +MINISTER PLENIPOTENTIARY TO THE COURT OF +SPAIN, AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS +FOR NEGOTIATING PEACE.</span></h2> +</div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_164" id="Page_164">164</a></span></p> +<div class="section_break"></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_165" id="Page_165">165</a></span></p> + +<p>John Jay was a member of the first Congress, which +assembled at Philadelphia in September, 1774, having +been, with four other persons, chosen a delegate from the +city and county of New York. He was also in the Congress +of the following year, but after the organization of the +government of New York he was made Chief Justice of +the State, and retired from Congress. On the 21st of +October, 1778, even while he held the office of Chief Justice, +he was elected by the Assembly a delegate to Congress +for a specific object, till the first of March following. +The Assembly at the same time declared, that by the constitution +of New York both these stations were consistent +with each other.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay joined the Congress on the 7th of December, +and was elected President of that body three days afterwards, +as the successor of Henry Laurens. He discharged +this office with great dignity and credit to himself till September +27th, 1779, when he was appointed Minister Plenipotentiary +to negotiate a treaty of amity and alliance with +Spain. He sailed for France about the first of November +in the same ship with M. Gerard, who had been the late +French Minister in the United States. Accidents at sea +compelled the Captain of the vessel to put into Martinique, +whence Mr Jay sailed in another vessel for Europe, and +arrived at Cadiz on the 22d of January, 1780. Here he +remained between two and three months, and then proceeded +to Madrid, and entered on the duties of his +mission. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_166" id="Page_166">166</a></span></p> + +<p>The two principal objects, which Mr Jay was instructed +to obtain, were a grant of aids in money and military supplies +from Spain, to assist in prosecuting the war against +the common enemy, and a treaty between Spain and the +United States. After encountering for more than two +years innumerable embarrassments, vexatious delays, cold +treatment, and a provoking indifference, that would have +exhausted the patience, if not ruffled the temper of most +men, he met with very little success in the former object, +and none at all in the latter. The Spanish Court seemed +nowise inclined to recognize the independence of the +United States, or to show them any substantial marks of +friendship, and yet there was evidently a willingness to +keep on terms, and be prepared to act according to the +issue of events. Tardy promises of money were made by +the Minister, which he was reluctant to fulfil, and it was +with extreme difficulty at last, that Mr Jay succeeded in +procuring from his Catholic Majesty the pitiful loan of one +hundred and fifty thousand dollars. In the treaty he +made no progress, but was put off from time to time, with +pretences as frivolous as they were insincere. He was +never received in his public capacity, nor in any other +character than that of a private gentleman empowered +to act as Agent for the United States. In short, it must +be confessed, that the conduct of Spain, in regard to this +country during the revolutionary war, was not such as +to inspire the gratitude or respect of succeeding generations.</p> + +<p>Meantime, on the 13th of June, 1781, Mr Jay was +chosen one of the Commissioners for negotiating a peace, +when the parties at war should be prepared for such an +event. Having already made considerable progress with +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_167" id="Page_167">167</a></span> +Mr Oswald in the treaty; and being persuaded that the +British government were in earnest as to their professed +desire for peace, Dr Franklin wrote to Mr Jay requesting +him to repair to Paris, and join in the negotiation. He +arrived in that city on the 23d of June, 1782, and shortly +afterwards engaged in the duties of his commission with +his colleague. Mr Adams did not arrive till the 26th of +October. The preliminary articles were signed on the +30th of November.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay continued in Europe the year following, and +signed, with the other Commissioners, the Definitive Treaty, +September 3d, 1783. Several months previously +he had asked permission to return home, but he did not +embark till June 1st, 1794. He arrived in New York +on the 24th of July following.</p> + +<p>It having been understood that he would soon return, +Congress had elected him Secretary of Foreign Affairs on +the 7th of May, as successor to Mr Livingston, who had resigned +some time before. He accepted this appointment, +and took charge of the office, which he filled with the +same dignity and ability, that had marked his conduct in +every public station.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_169" id="Page_169">169</a></span></p> + +<div class="section_break"></div> +<div class="section_head"> + +<h2><span class="the">THE</span><br /> +<span class="correspondence">CORRESPONDENCE</span><br /> +<span class="of">OF</span><br /> +<span class="name">JOHN JAY.</span></h2> +</div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY, MINISTER FOR NEGOTIATING<br /> +A TREATY WITH SPAIN.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">In Congress, September 29th, 1779.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>By the treaties subsisting between his Most Christian +Majesty and the United States of America, a power is reserved +to his Catholic Majesty to accede to the said +treaties, and to participate in their stipulations, at such +time as he shall judge proper, it being well understood, +nevertheless, that if any of the stipulations of the said +treaties are not agreeable to the Court of Spain, his Catholic +Majesty may propose other conditions analogous to +the principal aim of the alliance, and conformable to the +rules of equality, reciprocity, and friendship. Congress is +sensible of the friendly regard to these States manifested +by his Most Christian Majesty, in reserving a power to his +Catholic Majesty of acceding to the alliance entered into +between his Most Christian Majesty and these United +States; and, therefore, that nothing may be wanting on their +part to facilitate the views of his Most Christian Majesty, +and to obtain a treaty of alliance, and of amity and commerce +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_170" id="Page_170">170</a></span> +with his Catholic Majesty, have thought proper to +anticipate any propositions, which his Catholic Majesty +might make on that subject, by yielding up to him those +objects, which they conclude he may have principally in +view; and for that purpose have come to the following +resolution;</p> + +<p>That if his Catholic Majesty shall accede to the said +treaties, and, in concurrence with France and the United +States of America, continue the present war with Great +Britain for the purpose expressed in the treaties aforesaid, +he shall not thereby be precluded from securing to himself +the Floridas; on the contrary, if he shall obtain the Floridas +from Great Britain, these United States will guaranty +the same to his Catholic Majesty; provided always, that +the United States shall enjoy the free navigation of the +river Mississippi into and from the sea.</p> + +<p>You are, therefore, to communicate to his Most Christian +Majesty the desire of Congress to enter into a treaty +of alliance, and of amity and commerce with his Catholic +Majesty, and to request his favorable interposition for that +purpose. At the same time, you are to make such proposal +to his Catholic Majesty, as in your judgment, from +circumstances, will be proper for obtaining for the United +States of America equal advantages with those, which are +secured to them by the treaties with his Most Christian +Majesty; observing always the resolution aforesaid as the +ultimatum of the United States.</p> + +<p>You are particularly to endeavor to obtain some convenient +port or ports below the thirtyfirst degree of north +latitude, on the river Mississippi, for all merchant vessels, +goods, wares, and merchandises, belonging to the inhabitants +of these States. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_171" id="Page_171">171</a></span></p> + +<p>The distressed state of our finances, and the great depreciation +of our paper money, inclined Congress to hope +that his Catholic Majesty, if he shall conclude a treaty with +these States, will be induced to lend them money; you +are, therefore, to represent to him the great distress of +these States on that account, and to solicit a loan of five +millions of dollars upon the best terms in your power, not +exceeding six per cent per annum, effectually to enable +them to co-operate with the allies against the common +enemy. But before you make any propositions to his +Catholic Majesty for a loan, you are to endeavor to obtain +a subsidy in consideration of the guarantee aforesaid.<a name="FNanchor_14" id="FNanchor_14" href="#Footnote_14" class="fnanchor">[14]</a></p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_14" id="Footnote_14"></a><a href="#FNanchor_14"><span class="label">[14]</span></a> The above is the form in which the instructions were reported +by a committee.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Pierre's, Martinique, December 20th, 1779.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>This is the only opportunity of transmitting a letter to +Philadelphia since our arrival; and as the route, which +this is to take, will be very circuitous and doubtful, it will +be short and general.</p> + +<p>Having lost our bowsprit, all our masts, and many of +our sails, as well as split our rudder, off the Banks of +Newfoundland, we steered for this Island, and arrived yesterday +afternoon. The Governor and Admiral are at Port +Royal. They are informed of our being here, and I shall +see them either at this or that place, according as we shall +find it to be their intention to come to the one, or remain at +the other. Till then, it must continue doubtful, whether +we shall be able to obtain a passage in a French frigate, or +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_172" id="Page_172">172</a></span> +speedily refit our own; neither of which can be done without +the interposition of government.</p> + +<p>Two days hence, a vessel will sail for St Eustatia. I +shall write more particularly by her, and it is more than +probable, that those letters will come to hand before this.</p> + +<p>Yesterday, a fleet of twentyfive merchant-men under +the convoy of a frigate, bound from France to this place, +were attacked on the southern coast of Martinique, near +Port Royal, by a number of the enemy's ships of war +from St Lucia. Fourteen merchant-men were captured, +and two driven on shore. The rest escaped during a +very severe action between three line of battle ships under +Monsieur le Motte Piquet, (who went from Port Royal +to their relief) and double the number of the enemy. +This intelligence was communicated to me this morning by +the commanding officer here.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Pierre's, Martinique, December 22d, 1779.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>By a message received yesterday afternoon from the +Marquis de Boulliè, I find there is no reason to expect +him or the Admiral here very soon. We shall, therefore, +set out for Port Royal early tomorrow morning, and endeavor +to get our ship refitted as soon as possible. She +will follow us in a day or two, and, as the enemy's ships of +war are frequently cruising near the Island, she will go +under convoy; four of them are now in sight of this town.</p> + +<p>It seems agreed on all hands, that the expense of refitting +the Confederacy will be very considerable. To +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_173" id="Page_173">173</a></span> +reduce this matter to greater certainty, I have desired the +captain to make out an estimate of his wants; he promised +to prepare it, and give me a copy this evening. If I receive +it before nine o'clock, it will accompany this letter, +otherwise it will be transmitted by the next conveyance.</p> + +<p>The agent here tells me, he is without cash, and in debt +on the public account. I fear he has been neglected. I +shall, however, defer saying anything further on his subject +till I shall be better informed. Should an opportunity +offer of writing to your Excellency from Port Royal, I +shall embrace it, if not, I shall take the first after my return. +As the government here will, I hope, advance the +money necessary for preparing the frigate for sea, I am +anxious that you may have the earliest intelligence of it, +that timely provision may be made for the payment.</p> + +<p>Of the fleet mentioned in my letter of the 20th instant, +only nine were taken or destroyed.</p> + +<p><i>7 o'clock.</i>—I had written thus far, when Captain Harding +called upon me. He has made out an estimate of the +ship's wants, and given it to Mr Bingham, without having +made a copy for me, which it is now too late to do to go +by this vessel.</p> + +<p>On our return from Port Royal, the captain will transmit +particular accounts of everything respecting the ship, +which he ought to communicate. He has been too much +engaged to prepare his despatches to go by this vessel, +and, therefore, postpones writing for the present, especially +as he would have leisure only to repeat the general account +of our misfortune contained in my letter.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_174" id="Page_174">174</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Pierre's, Martinique, December 24th, 1779.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>My former letters to your Excellency of the 20th and +22d instant, (a triplicate of the former, and a duplicate of +the latter are herewith enclosed) have already informed +Congress of the disaster, which imposed upon us the necessity +of coming hither. But as that necessity has been and +still continues the subject of much inquiry and investigation, +it is proper that the facts from which it arose be minutely +stated.</p> + +<p>On the 7th day of November last, between the hours of +five and six in the morning, in latitude 41 03 N. and longitude +50 39 W. the Captain being in bed indisposed, and +the master and second lieutenant on deck, the ship going +nine knots an hour in a brisk breeze and rough sea, but by +no means hard weather, her bowsprit and all her masts +gave way in less than three minutes. The day was employed +in clearing the ship of the wreck, and getting up a +little sail; towards evening a heavy gale came on. During +the night, the tiller was lashed fast, and she lay too very +well, the wind blowing hard at south east. The next +morning the shank of the rudder was found to be so much +wrenched and split, that the Captain then told me he thought +it a greater misfortune than the loss of the masts. +There were two French gentlemen on board, who, it was +said, and I believe with truth, were well skilled in maritime +affairs, having been bred to that business from their +infancy, viz. Monsieur Roche, a Knight of the Order of St +Louis, and a Captain Remuy, of Marseilles. Either this day +or the next, I am not certain which, M. Gerard remarked +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_175" id="Page_175">175</a></span> +to me, that without any previous counsel, it seemed to be +the unanimous opinion of all the naval officers on board +to go to the West Indies, and that he believed it would +be best, though he said he was at first inclined to oppose +it. The first expedient to steer the ship was by the cable +and a spar; below the split in the rudder there was a bolt +with two rings, to which it had been intended to fix a chain +for the purpose of steering the ship in case of such accidents, +but the fixing the chains had been omitted; through +this ring the Captain passed a chain, and to each end of +it fastened a strong rope, which was conducted over the +quarters, and this was the second mode of steering her; +but from the uncommon breadth of the rudder by which +its power became unusually great, and the acuteness of the +angle between it and the chains rendering a greater force +necessary than if it had approached nearer to a right angle; +the bolt, though to appearance a good one, broke nearly in +the middle, and came out.</p> + +<p>It seems the rudder of this ship was hung after she had +been launched, and that to do it the more easily an eyebolt +had been fixed in each side of the rudder below the +shank; to these eyebolts two chains were then fixed, +which crossing the edge of the rudder in opposite directions, +were fastened to pennants made of cordage, provided +for the breechings of our twelve pounders. These pennants +passed through blocks at the end of spars, run out of +the ports of the cabin. From thence they were led +through blocks in opposite ports of the main deck to the +capstan, by means of which they were very conveniently +managed, and the ship without much difficulty steered. +Such however was the force and wear they underwent +before our arrival in calmer latitudes and smoother seas, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_176" id="Page_176">176</a></span> +that they generally gave way every day or two; and the +Captain tells me, no less than six hundred weight of that +cordage has been consumed in that service.</p> + +<p>So great was the swell off the Banks, and so high, +though not severe the winds, that near a fortnight elapsed +before the ship was put in her present condition for sailing. +The same obstacles also retarded the repairing of the rudder, +which after all was so weak that it was not thought +advisable to steer by the tiller, and to prevent any further +injury from its striking against the ship, which it constantly +did in calm weather, bags stuffed with oakum were placed +on each side of it, and a man employed night and day to +tend them.</p> + +<p>Some days before the 23d day of November, the Captain +told me, he thought it advisable to call a council of +his officers, and submit to their consideration the propriety +of continuing our course towards Europe. M. Gerard +shortly after mentioned to me the sitting of this council, +and said, he could assure me that the Chevalier Roche +and Monsieur Remuy would not give their opinions on the +subject but in writing, and on being requested to do it in +writing by the Captain. This intelligence appeared to me +extraordinary, but as it was not necessary that my sentiments +relative to it should be known, I made no reply to +M. Gerard, but by degrees turned the conversation to +another subject; nor did I give the least hint of it to the +Captain, but observed a perfect silence relative to it. It +appeared to me that those gentlemen either overrated their +importance, or entertained improper ideas of the merit of +our officers, and I confess it gave me pleasure to hear that +they were not consulted at all.</p> + +<p>The council of officers was held the 23d of November +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_177" id="Page_177">177</a></span> +last. The Captain gave me their report, together with +a return of the provisions and water on board, and assured +me of his readiness to proceed to any port whatever, that +M. Gerard and myself should direct. I gave these papers +to M. Gerard, and although I did not think it expedient +by consulting the French officers to give them reason +to suppose, that I concurred in sentiments with them +as to the importance of their opinions, yet I told M. Gerard, +I was well satisfied he should communicate to them +the report of our officers, and obtain their sentiments on +the question stated in it, and the better to enable him to +do it, I proposed that we should postpone the discussion +of the subject till the next day, or longer if necessary. +He took the papers, said it was very well, and that he +would speak to those gentlemen. A day or two after, +being on deck, M. Gerard took me aside and gave me +the papers, telling me he had seen these gentlemen, +and that they both declined giving any opinion about it; +that they had always been, and still were, ready to do +anything for the benefit of the ship; that had they been +requested to give their opinions while the matter was in +agitation, they would have done it; that it was now over, +and determined; that under these circumstances their +opinion would be of no avail, and that they did not choose, +by declaring their sentiments, either to confirm the report, +or give it ineffectual opposition. M. Gerard further intimated, +that those gentlemen seemed to think their giving +their advice in the course of our troubles had given offence +to the officers of the ship; but I had never reason to think +their apprehensions well founded. Upon this conduct of +those gentlemen, I briefly observed to M. Gerard, that as +they were passengers, we had no right to demand their +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_178" id="Page_178">178</a></span> +opinions, and that they had a right to withhold them, or +not, as they pleased, and for such reasons as they might +think proper; but that as the Captain of the ship had +been directed by the marine committee to obey such orders +as he should receive from us, it was necessary that +in the present conjuncture we should decide on the report; +that the Captain, in my opinion, would not be justifiable +in further pursuing his course against the solemn +and unanimous opinion of all the officers, unless by our +express orders; and he would be culpable in changing it, +without a previous application to us for direction. M. +Gerard observed, that he was sensible of the honor done +him by the order alluded to, but that it was not convenient +to him to give any opinion or direction on the subject. +It did not appear to me prudent to reply to this, +and therefore I took the first opportunity of turning the +conversation to another topic. As this circumstance prevented +the Captain's receiving any positive orders from +us on the subject, he was of course left to pursue his own +judgment, but being desirous of my opinion, I gave it to +him, in the manner endorsed on the report of the council, +of which a copy is herewith enclosed.</p> + +<p>The reasons on which this opinion was grounded are, +in part, contained in this report, but there were others not +mentioned in it. That Congress may the better judge of +their force, it is necessary that they be informed of some +previous circumstances.</p> + +<p>The first fair day after losing our masts, I went to the +door of M. Gerard's room on the deck, which was open, +to bid him good morning. Chevalier Roche was with +him; they were conversing on the course most proper for +us to steer, and the port most proper to make for. M. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_179" id="Page_179">179</a></span> +Gerard was for going to Cadiz; he had an excellent set of +charts, and he had then one of the Atlantic Ocean, with its +American, European, and African Coasts, and the intervening +islands, before him. By the assistance of this +map we perfectly understood his reasoning. The Chevalier +at that time inclined to the West Indies, and I heard +him, on leaving the room, tell M. Gerard, that to endeavor +to get to Europe in the present condition of the ship, +would be to "<i>run a very great risk of perishing in the +ocean</i>." Some time after this, M. Gerard perceiving that I +had adopted no decided opinion on the subject, (and that +was really the case) in the course of an evening he spent +with us in the cabin, (none of the officers of the ship being +present) desired me to attend particularly to his several +reasons for going to Cadiz, and consider them maturely +before I made up my judgment. I promised him to do it, +and was as good as my word. He proceeded to observe;</p> + +<p>1st. That the distance to Cadiz and to Martinique +differed but little, and that no weighty argument could be +drawn from this difference.</p> + +<p>2dly. That between us and Cadiz lay the Western and +Canary Islands, into some one or other of which we might +run, if necessary.</p> + +<p>3dly. That if, on our arrival at either of these Islands, +it should appear impracticable or imprudent to proceed +further, our persons at least would be safe, and we might get +to Europe in one of the many vessels, which frequent +those Islands; whereas, on the other hand, there were no +Islands between us and Martinique, and we should, in +steering southward, be obliged to run all that distance +without finding any place by the way, at which we might +touch, or, in case of danger, find shelter. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_180" id="Page_180">180</a></span></p> + +<p>4thly. That if calmer seas were our object, we should +find them in going eastward as well as southward; that we +must not expect to meet with the trade winds at that +season but in a very remote southern latitude; that in +crossing the latitude of Bermudas, we should meet with +heavy squalls, and bad weather; that in the latitude between +that and the trade winds, we must expect variable +winds, and particularly long calms, which are often more +dangerous, and more to be dreaded than hard winds.</p> + +<p>5thly. That in a voyage to Cadiz, we should have +nothing to apprehend from the enemy, but to Martinique, +everything.</p> + +<p>6thly. That if we should arrive safe at Martinique, we +should probably be detained there until next Spring; that +the vessels, which usually sail from thence for France +every fall, would have departed before the time we should +reach the Island; that he had reason to believe it would +be very difficult, if not impracticable, to obtain a frigate, +and, among other reasons, urged the absence of Count +d'Estaing, and the improbability that any subordinate +officer would undertake without his orders to grant us one, +even admitting what was very unlikely, that one might be +spared from the service.</p> + +<p>7thly. That the ship might remain long at Martinique +without being made ready for sea, for want of naval stores, +provisions, &c.</p> + +<p>These were M. Gerard's reasons for our steering for +Cadiz, by the way of the Azores, and I do not remember +to have afterwards heard an additional one. Whether the +French officers really thought them conclusive, or whether +they found it convenient to make a compliment of their +sentiments to a gentleman very able to serve them, is uncertain; +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_181" id="Page_181">181</a></span> +but I believe they in appearance inclined to M. +Gerard's opinion, and gave him implied reasons to think +their sentiments corresponded with his.</p> + +<p>The matter appeared to me in a serious light, and to require +caution on many accounts. Every consideration +called me to Spain; private as well as public good forbade +a difference with M. Gerard. I had reason to believe him +well disposed towards me; I perceived, clearly, that he +could not with any patience admit the idea of being absent +from Europe at so important a season, and that he could +scarcely treat with common decency the reasons urged for +going to Martinique. Hence it appeared obvious, that +should I be the means of his losing his objects, or should +any public inconveniences result from our not being in Europe +during the winter, I should be censured, not only by +him, but by all those who judge of the propriety of a measure +only by its consequences, of which number are the far +greater part of mankind. Thus circumstanced, I found +myself in a very unpleasant situation, without any way of +extricating myself, but by agreeing to a sort of middle +proposal; viz. to order the Captain to land us on +one of the Western Islands, and then leave the ship to +shift for herself. This would have satisfied M. Gerard, +and we should have been as good friends as ever. I +thought it my duty, however, to form my decision carefully, +and honestly, and abide by it firmly. It was that +we should proceed to Martinique. Some of the reasons +for it are set forth in the report of the council of officers. +The whole together were briefly these.</p> + +<p>1st. That the officers of the ship, including the carpenter, +who were to be presumed to be better judges than M. +Gerard or myself, were of opinion, that we ought not to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_182" id="Page_182">182</a></span> +attempt to go to Europe, and had this reason stood single +and unexplained, I should not readily have ventured to +reject it, especially as it appeared to me against the interest +of the officers to come to the West Indies, and I have +heard them constantly and uniformly regret the necessity +of it; but I also thought they decided on good grounds; +for</p> + +<p>2dly. The rudder daily gave us infinite trouble, almost +everyday a pennant breaking, and on every such occasion +the ship for some time left to the direction of the wind and +waves, a circumstance which might be fatal in hard weather, +and near land; the quantity of cordage consumed in this +way of steering; the doubt of our having sufficient for the +purpose without stripping the guns, which would thereby +be rendered useless; the rudder irons daily becoming more +and more loose, and, by the nails drawing out, opening a +passage for the water into the stem of the ship. By this +circumstance our bread had been damaged; the danger +of our being obliged to get rid of the rudder entirely, and +steering only by the cable, which in northern seas, and +winter season, is very inadequate. This event would have +arrived in case either of the eye bolts in the rudder had +given way, as the first mentioned one had done, or the +upper irons become entirely loose; and for this event it +was thought necessary to prepare, by removing the obstacles +to unhanging the rudder. Indeed the upper irons in +the course of our passage here, with fair winds and no +storms, became so loose as to render it necessary to lash +the head of the rudder with ropes to a bolt fixed for the +purpose in the cabin floor.</p> + +<p>3dly. The sails we had left were bad, having been originally +made, as Mr Vaughan the second Lieutenant told +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_183" id="Page_183">183</a></span> +me, of damaged canvass; they frequently split; we had +none to replace them, nor a sufficient stock of twine to +mend them, eight pounds only being left of the twenty odd +we brought from Philadelphia; nor were we much better +supplied with cordage, for which there was a daily demand +and some of which was very bad.</p> + +<p>4thly. Our jury masts were not calculated for hard +weather, the foremast being sprung a few feet below the +top, and not able to endure a hard storm.</p> + +<p>For these reasons the rough weather common in northern +latitudes was by all means to be avoided, and smooth +seas sought.</p> + +<p>As to the conveniences to be derived from the Islands +laying between us and Cadiz, I took some pains to examine +into that matter. We had maps and descriptions of +them all, and our master had been at many of them. I +found there was not a single harbor in any one of them +in which a ship could ride at anchor in every wind; on +the contrary neither of them has anything more than open +roads, out of which it is necessary for ships to make the +best of their way, and put to sea whenever certain winds +blow, a task which our ship was very far from being in +condition to perform.</p> + +<p>From this and other circumstances it was evident we +could not refit in either of those Islands, not even so much +as get a new rudder; for admitting materials for the latter +could be had, yet such was the difficulty, if not impossibility, +of hanging it in an open road, from whence the ship +was every moment exposed to the necessity of going to +sea by an unfavorable wind, that we could expect to derive +no advantage from these Islands, except the prospect of +obtaining some refreshments, which we could do without, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_184" id="Page_184">184</a></span> +and the value of which would not have compensated for +the risk of approaching them in our condition.</p> + +<p>As to the idea of our steering that course with a view of +being landed on one of those Islands, and from thence +going to Europe in another vessel, leaving our own to her +fate, no earthly consideration could ever have reconciled +me to it. The reasoning which was insisted on, that our +being seasonably in Europe was of more importance to +the United States than a frigate, and that in time of war, +and for the public good, lives were to be risked by sea as +well as by land, was a species of reasoning which applied +to this case led to conclusions, which never have been, +and I pray God never may be, among my principles of +action. Had this plan of being landed on one of the +Azores or Canaries been adopted, we should have either +landed the crew with us or not; if the first, the frigate +would have been given to destruction. This appeared to +me inconsistent with the public good, because, if we reached +Martinique, I had no doubt of a passage, and my arrival +in France eight weeks sooner or later did not appear to +me of equal importance to the United States with the frigate. +Had the crew been left on board, it must have been +with a view of saving the ship, either by her reaching Europe +or the West Indies. The probability of her effecting +either became then a most important question, as the lives +of between two and three hundred Americans depended +on the event. Against it were opposed the dangers of the +seas, and the want of provisions; the former would have +increased with the approach of winter, and therefore the +longer the ship was detained to the northward, the more +she had to suffer, and to fear. The frigate after having +landed us on either of the Islands, must either have gone +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_185" id="Page_185">185</a></span> +on towards Europe, or endeavored to get to the West +Indies.</p> + +<p>All the considerations abovementioned opposed the first, +and whoever compares the time necessary for a voyage for +a ship under jury masts, and almost without a rudder, from +the banks of Newfoundland to the Azores or Canaries, +and from thence to the West Indies, with our stock of provisions, +will find them inadequate to the purpose, and be +convinced of the cruelty of subjecting one's fellow citizens +to such extremities. For these reasons I positively refused +to join in this system.</p> + +<p>As to the position in favor of going to Europe, that we +should find the seas calmer as we advanced eastward, +equally as we went southward, all the officers of the ship +testified against it, nor would they admit that we had as +much to dread from calms as from hard gales. The supposed +difficulty of obtaining a passage from Martinique +made but little impression on me. I could not suppose +the Islands left unprotected by ships of war, or that the +commanding officer would refuse to order a frigate on this +service, if M. Gerard would represent it to be of importance, +which I was sure he would do. How long our ship might +be refitting here was not to be ascertained, but I could not +prevail upon myself to believe, that the King of France +would keep so considerable a fleet in those seas, without +providing for the usual accidents they would be exposed +to from the sea and the enemy. At the worst the ship +would be in a safe port, and among a people bound by +treaties and by interest to afford aid and protection, at +least until Congress should be informed of her situation, +and have an opportunity of providing for her wants. As +to ourselves, in case we meet with the imagined difficulties +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_186" id="Page_186">186</a></span> +respecting a passage, it would be easy by passing over to +St Eustatia to get very safely in a Dutch ship to Holland.</p> + +<p>On these reasons the advice I gave to the captain to +come here was founded. I thought them right then, and +was daily more and more confirmed in an opinion of their +propriety. In the course of our run here, we had all the +way fine, fair breezes; and, except in the latitude of Bermuda, +smooth seas and scarce any calms. The night before +we made the land, it was thought proper to lay the +ship too, after the moon set, which was between twelve +and one o'clock, and she continued in that position only +four hours and a half. Such, however, was the effect of it +upon the rudder, and so much damage did it receive from +it, that had the ship continued as much longer in the same +state, it was agreed on all sides, that the rudder would +have been rendered useless.</p> + +<p>M. Gerard, hurt by being disappointed in his expectation +of being seasonably in France, and perhaps mortified +at my preferring my own sentiments to his, ceased to observe +that cordiality and frankness, which had before attended +his conduct towards me. Nay, he once went so +far as to tell me I had my reasons for coming here. I +appeared not to understand him, and continued to endeavor +to render the conversation as light and general as possible. +This was a tax imposed on my feelings by regard to public +good; as a private man, I should have acted differently.</p> + +<p>Thus matters continued till about ten or twelve days +before our arrival here, when M. Gerard observed to me +in the presence of the captain, that it was time to think +which side of the island of Martinique it would be most +prudent for the ship to go, the north or south side, and +proceeded to state the reasons which ought to induce us to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_187" id="Page_187">187</a></span> +prefer the north; particularly, that in the present condition +of the ship, she would if she went to the south side be in +great danger of running by the island to the leeward; for +that as we might expect the wind at northeast, she would +not be able to lay sufficiently close to the wind, to reach +Port Royal or St Pierre's; besides, that she would be in +danger of calms, and being in sight of St Lucia, would be +exposed to the enemy's ships of war, without having reason +to expect succor from any French ships of war; none of +which, he said, cruised off the eastern part of the island, +between Martinique and St Lucia. He then showed the +advantages of going the other side, by an enumeration of +many circumstances, of which I have notes, but which it +would be too tedious to mention. The obvious meaning +of all this appeared to me to be, that we should direct the +captain to go to the northward of the island; but as I +neither thought myself authorised, nor found myself inclined +to interfere with the particular navigation of the ship, +to which I was not competent, I only observed to M. Gerard, +that his reasoning appeared to me to have weight; +that it was a subject I did not understand, but that I thought +his observations merited attention. On this the captain +remarked, and I thought with propriety, that it was impossible +to determine on which side of the island it would be +best to go, until we were at or near the parting point, for +that circumstances at present unforeseen might render that +way rash, which we might now think prudent; for instance, +an unexpected change in the wind, or the appearance of an +enemy. He therefore thought a decision on the question +improper, till we arrived off the eastern part of the island. +This appeared to me so perfectly reasonable, that I thought +no more about the matter, and I did not suspect that M. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_188" id="Page_188">188</a></span> +Gerard would have felt any further anxiety about it; but +it nevertheless so happened, that in the afternoon of the +14th instant, there was a conversation in the cabin relative +to a wager, which of the two we should see first, land or a +sail. In the course of this conversation, M. Gerard observed, +that it would depend on our going on the north or +south side of the island, and insensibly leaving the subject +of the wager, proceeded minutely to recapitulate his reasons +for the one, and his objections to the other. In the +progress of this disquisition, he grew warmer and warmer, +and at length addressing himself more particularly on the +captain, said, he was surprised that those facts and observations +should meet with so little attention; that he +owed it to his conscience and personal safety to mention +and enforce them, and that he should represent the whole +matter to his Court, &c. The captain repeated what he +had before said relative to the impropriety of deciding on +which side of the island we were to go, until we had made +the land, observed whether any vessels were on the coast, +and knew how the wind would be. He then questioned +some matters relative to the navigation round the island, on +which M. Gerard had insisted.</p> + +<p>For my own part, as the subject was so serious, I wished +to be informed of some others, which appeared to me to +want explanation. The captain had informed me, that the +master had been at the taking of Martinique last war, and +was well acquainted with its bays, harbors, and coasts. I +desired the captain to send for the master, which was immediately +done. On this, M. Gerard more animated than +usual, said, he pretended to no extraordinary knowledge on +the subject, but that he had made inquiries, and was satisfied +with the opinion he had given; then repeated what he +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_189" id="Page_189">189</a></span> +had before said, about his conscience, personal safety, and +Court, and was opening the door to go on deck, when I +asked him if he would not stay, and hear what the master +had to say. He said, no, he did not want to hear anything +farther about it; he had done his duty in delivering +what he had to us, and we might do as we pleased about +the matter. I made no reply, but proceeded to examine +the master, and one of the lieutenants. On the whole it +did not appear to me necessary, but on the contrary invidious +to give the captain any positive orders on the subject; +nor did I enter into any farther conference respecting it +with M. Gerard. I knew that no good would result from +altercation, and that the best way of treating unreasonable +propositions, cavalierly dictated, was silently to go my own +way, uninfluenced by them.</p> + +<p>This last business rendered M. Gerard still more dissatisfied +with me. We observed, nevertheless, and still observe +great politeness towards each other, but it proceeds more +from the head than the heart. On coming ashore, I flattered +myself we should have left all these controversies +behind us; but this city was soon entertained with them. +The opinions of French officers were taken by M. Gerard +about the sufficiency of the rudder to have gone to Europe; +the question about the northern and southern navigation +was stated and agitated. M. Gerard claims the merit of +having saved the ship, by having, as he insinuates, dragged +us into the measure of taking the northern passage, &c. &c. +As we are safe in the harbor, these matters are now of no +consequence, and therefore I constantly avoid the subject. +How they may be represented at Philadelphia is of some +moment, and therefore it appears to me expedient to trouble +myself and Congress with this narration. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_190" id="Page_190">190</a></span></p> + +<p>I cannot conclude this letter without expressing my satisfaction +with the attention and politeness observed by the +captain and other officers towards the passengers, as far at +least as my knowledge extends.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Pierre's, Martinique, December 25th, 1779.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>As singular instances of humanity and patriotism always +merit, and sometimes meet with public notice, I take the +liberty of transmitting to Congress a copy of the Rev. Mr +Keith's narrative of the conduct of a Mrs Smith, at New +York, to the Americans there, who had been taken at Fort +Washington.</p> + +<p>Conversing, while at sea, with Mr Keith (our chaplain, +who had been one of those prisoners) respecting the cruelties +exercised towards them by the enemy, and the manner +in which they were treated by the inhabitants of the city, he +mentioned the behavior of this Mrs Smith; whose conduct +appeared to me so remarkably liberal, disinterested, and +christianlike, that I desired him to commit it to paper, with +a design to enclose it to your Excellency. I know nothing +more of this woman than what Mr Keith told me; but, as +from his profession and character I am induced to credit +what he says, I transmit this account of her, that if, on further +inquiry, it be found to be just, Congress may have an +opportunity of saving from poverty and distress a widow, +who generously divested herself of a decent maintenance, +and applied it to the relief of many citizens and servants of +the United States, who were then gloriously enduring the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_191" id="Page_191">191</a></span> +most extreme cruelties, for their faithful attachment to the +rights of their country and mankind.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Pierre's, Martinique, December 25th, 1779.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I have done, what perhaps I shall be blamed for, but +my pride as an American, and my feelings as a man, were +not on this occasion to be resisted. The officers of the +Confederacy were here without money, or the means of +getting any. The idea of our officers being obliged to +sneak, as they phrase it, from the company of French officers, +for fear of running in debt with them for a bottle of +wine, or a bowl of punch, because not able to pay for their +share of the reckoning, was too humiliating to be tolerable, +and too destructive to that pride and opinion of independent +equality, which I wish to see influence all our officers. +Besides, some of them wanted necessaries too much to be +comfortable, or, in this country, decent. In a word, I +have drawn on the fund, pointed out for the payment of +part of my salary, for one hundred guineas in their favor, +to be divided among them according to their respective +ranks. Indeed, it would have given me pleasure to have +done something towards covering the nakedness of the +crew; but the expense I have been put to by coming +here; and the preparations for another voyage, would not +admit of it.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_192" id="Page_192">192</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Pierre's, Martinique, December 26th, 1779.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On our arrival here, M. Gerard told me that he was about +to write to the Governor and Admiral at Port Royal, and +asked me whether I also chose to write, or would leave to +him the necessary communication; offering to mention to +them whatever I might desire. As I was well satisfied +that he should take the lead in the business, I replied, that +I was obliged to him, but did not think it necessary for +him to communicate anything to those gentlemen from +me, except our arrival, and the confidence I had in their +readiness to afford us aid.</p> + +<p>I thought it would have been improper to apply for a +passage in one of their ships, till I know in what time our +own could be refitted, and on this subject it appeared to +me most advisable, that application should be made by our +agent here; and that I should reserve all interference, till +it should be rendered necessary by obstacles. Mr Bingham +accordingly wrote without delay to the Governor, +and had immediate and full assurances of his readiness to +afford us every aid in his power. Nothing now remained +to be ascertained, but the time in which the repairs could +be made, and this depended on the state of their naval +stores.</p> + +<p>Mr Bingham went with us to Port Royal, on a visit to +the officers of government, (a compliment paid them by +all strangers.) The Governor again assured him, that +everything should be done for the ship that was possible, +and some orders were given for the purpose. This +passed, I believe, without M. Gerard's knowledge. About +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_193" id="Page_193">193</a></span> +two hours after our arrival at Port Royal, he took me +aside, observed that great difficulties and delays would attend +the Confederacy's refitting there; that there were no +masts or spars in store, and the expectation of supplies uncertain; +that an old mast of a merchant-man had been +purchased for one of their ships of war, and that a main +yard for another had been made of four pieces for want +of a proper spar, and, after some general hints about expenses, +provision, &c. proposed, that the frigate should be +provided with a new rudder, and proceed to America to +refit. I objected, that, contrary to our expectations, the +English had an acknowledged superiority in these seas; +that three French frigates were at that instant flying from +four ships of the line, which were in full chase of them; +that a frigate under jury masts would find no safety in +flight; that it would be more prudent for Captain Harding +to remain here without being refitted, till he could get +materials and supplies from America, or receive orders +from Congress, than expose his ship to such imminent +danger, and, therefore, that I could not possibly come into +the measure he proposed.</p> + +<p>M. Gerard replied, that she might be convoyed to sea +by the French squadron here; but this required no answer. +It was not to be supposed, that the French squadron, +which, in their present state of inferiority, choose to +keep their eyes constantly on Port Royal, would expose +themselves to very unequal combat, for no higher object +than that of convoying the Confederacy seventy or eighty +leagues off the coast, or, that if they did, she would then +be out of that degree of danger, to which no ship in her +condition ought to be exposed. Besides, I could not +reconcile it to the wisdom of France long to leave their +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_194" id="Page_194">194</a></span> +fleet here destitute of naval stores, or to disgust their allies +by a conduct neither just nor politic. We agreed to leave +the matter till the next day, when we expected to see the +Admiral; but in an hour or two afterwards the Admiral +came in; and a very little time elapsed when the Governor, +and shortly after M. Gerard told me, the "<i>whole arrangement</i> +was completed; that the same attention should +be paid to the Confederacy as if she had been a French +frigate, and that the Aurora, of thirty odd guns, should +carry us to France." The fact is, that the officers of government +in general, and the Governor in particular, are +strongly attached to everything that is American.</p> + +<p>Our agent here is in high estimation. I really believe, +from everything I hear, that he has done his duty faithfully, +and that he well deserves the notice and approbation +of Congress. This leads me to take the liberty of remarking, +that it would, probably, be much for the public +interest, if Congress were to pay off all private debts due +from them to subjects of France, and have none but +national engagements with that kingdom. The debts unavoidably +contracted here, for the outfit of the Deane, &c. +ought certainly to be paid. Our credit and reputation +suffer from such delay. We sail tomorrow morning, at +six o'clock.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO ARTHUR LEE.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, January 26th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>As a knowledge of the measures you may have taken +and the information you may have acquired, relative to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_195" id="Page_195">195</a></span> +the objects of your commission from the United States +of America to conclude treaties with his Catholic Majesty, +would probably enable me with greater facility and +advantage to execute the duties of my appointment, permit +me, Sir, to request the favor of you to communicate +the same to me in such manner as you may judge most +prudent.</p> + +<p>I have in my possession some letters directed to you; +they are voluminous, and probably contain printed papers. +They may also be confidential and important to you. +Under these circumstances I can only judge of your +inclination by what would be my own in a similar situation. +I should wish that they might be detained till I +could have an opportunity of directing the manner of their +conveyance. Upon this principle they shall remain among +my papers till I receive your orders what to do with +them.<a name="FNanchor_15" id="FNanchor_15" href="#Footnote_15" class="fnanchor">[15]</a></p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_15" id="Footnote_15"></a><a href="#FNanchor_15"><span class="label">[15]</span></a> See the answer to this letter in Arthur Lee's Correspondence, +Vol. II, p. 276.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE COUNT DE VERGENNES.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, January 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>It is with very sensible pleasure that I commence a correspondence +with a Minister, of whose disposition and +abilities to promote the happiness of my country we have +received repeated proofs, and on a subject that affords +His Most Christian Majesty an opportunity of perceiving +the desire and endeavors of the United States to become +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_196" id="Page_196">196</a></span> +cordial and steadfast friends and allies to an illustrious +branch of his royal house.</p> + +<p>By the treaties subsisting between His Most Christian +Majesty and the United States of America, His Most +Christian Majesty, in consequence of his intimate union +with the King of Spain, did expressly reserve to his Catholic +Majesty the power of acceding to the said treaties, +and to participate in their stipulations at such time as he +should judge proper. It being well understood, nevertheless, +that if any of the said stipulations should not be agreeable +to the King of Spain, his Catholic Majesty might propose +other conditions analogous to the principal aim of the +alliance, and conformable to the rules of equity, reciprocity, +and friendship. And the Deputy of the said States, +empowered to treat with Spain, did promise to sign, <i>on +the first requisition</i> of his Catholic Majesty, the act or acts +necessary to communicate to him the stipulations of the +treaties abovementioned, and to endeavor in good faith the +adjustment of the points in which the King of Spain might +propose any alteration, conformable to the principles of +equality, reciprocity, and perfect amity.</p> + +<p>But as the above reservation has always been no less +agreeable to the United States than to their great and +good ally, both considerations conspired in inducing them +to make the first advances towards attaining the object of it. +And, therefore, instead of waiting till the requisitions mentioned +in the said article should be made, they have thought +proper to assure his Most Catholic Majesty, not only of +their readiness to comply with the terms of it, but of their +desire to obtain his confidence and alliance, by carrying +it immediately into execution on the most liberal principles. +Trusting also that the same wise reasons which +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_197" id="Page_197">197</a></span> +induced his Most Christian Majesty to give birth to the +said article, would lead him to facilitate the endeavors of +his allies to execute it, they resolved that their desire to +enter into the said treaties should be communicated to his +Majesty, and that his favorable interposition should be +requested.</p> + +<p>The more fully to effect these purposes, the Congress +were pleased, in September last, to do me the honor of +appointing me their Minister Plenipotentiary, and, in pursuance +of this appointment, I sailed from America for +France on the 26th of October last, with M. Gerard, who +was so obliging as to wait till I could embark in the frigate +assigned for his service. After being thirteen days at +sea, the frigate was dismasted, and her rudder so much +damaged that it was thought imprudent to proceed on our +voyage. We therefore steered for Martinique, and arrived +there on the 18th of December. I cannot, on this occasion, +forbear expressing my warmest acknowledgments for +the very polite attention and hospitality with which we +were received and treated, both by the officers of government +and many respectable inhabitants of that island. We +left Martinique on the 28th day of the same month, in the +Aurora, in which I expected to have gone to Toulon, +but on touching at this place, it appeared that the further +prosecution of our voyage had become impracticable, without +running risks that could not be justified.</p> + +<p>Thus circumstanced, the respect due to his most Catholic +Majesty demanded an immediate communication of +my appointment and arrival, which I had the honor to +make in a letter to his Excellency, Don Joseph Galvez, +of the Council of his Catholic Majesty, and general Secretary +of State for the Department of the Indies, of which +the enclosed is a copy. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_198" id="Page_198">198</a></span></p> + +<p>Will you, therefore, Sir, be so obliging as to lay this circumstance +before his Most Christian Majesty, and permit +me through your Excellency to assure him of the desire +of Congress to enter into a treaty of alliance, and of amity +and commerce with his Catholic Majesty, and to request +his favorable interposition for that purpose?</p> + +<p>I am happy in being able to assure you, that the United +States consider a cordial union between France, Spain +and them as a very desirable and most important object, +and they view the provision, which his Most Christian +Majesty has made for it by the abovementioned article, +not only as evinsive of his attention to his royal ally; but +of his regard to them.</p> + +<p>Under these views and these impressions, they are most +sincerely disposed, by the liberality and candor of their +conduct, to render the proposed treaties speedy in their +accomplishment, and perpetual in their duration.</p> + +<p>Your Excellency will receive this letter by M. Gerard, +who is so obliging as to take charge of it, and to whom the +Congress have been pleased to give such ample testimonies +of their esteem and confidence, as to enable him to +exert his talents with great advantage on every occasion +interesting to them.</p> + +<p>I cannot conclude without indulging myself in the pleasure +of acknowledging how much we are indebted to the +politeness and attention of the Marquis de La Flolte and +the other officers of the Aurora, during the course of our +voyage.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to +be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_199" id="Page_199">199</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO DON JOSEPH GALVEZ, MINISTER OF THE SPANISH +COURT.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, January 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Permit me through your Excellency to have the honor +of representing to his most Catholic Majesty, that on the +sixth day of February, 1778, the respective Plenipotentiaries +of his most Christian Majesty, and the United States +of America, by whom the treaties now subsisting between +them were concluded, did make and subscribe a secret +article in the words following, viz.</p> + +<p>"The Most Christian King declares, in consequence of +the intimate union which subsists between him and the +King of Spain, that in concluding with the United States +of America this treaty of amity and commerce, and that +of eventual and defensive alliance, his Majesty had intended, +and intends to reserve expressly, as he reserves by this +present separate and secret act, to his Catholic Majesty, +the power of acceding to the said treaties and to participate +in their stipulations, at such time as he shall judge proper. +It being well understood, nevertheless, that if any of the +stipulations of the said treaties are not agreeable to the +King of Spain, his Catholic Majesty may propose other +conditions analagous to the principal aim of the alliance, +and conformable to the rules of equality, reciprocity and +friendship. The deputies of the United States, in the +name of their constituents, accept the present declaration +to its full extent; and the deputy of the said States, who +is fully empowered to treat with Spain, promises to sign, +on the first requisition of his Catholic Majesty, the act or +acts necessary to communicate to him the stipulations of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_200" id="Page_200">200</a></span> +the treaties above written. And the said deputy shall endeavor, +in good faith, the adjustment of the points in which +the King of Spain may propose any alteration, conformable +to the principles of equality, reciprocity, and perfect +amity; he the said deputy not doubting but the person or +persons, empowered by his Catholic Majesty to treat with +the United States, will do the same with regard to any +alterations of the same kind, that may be thought necessary +by the said Plenipotentiary of the United States."</p> + +<p>The Congress willing to manifest their readiness fully +to comply with an article, which they have reason to believe +particularly agreeable to their great and good ally, and +being desirous of establishing perpetual amity and harmony +with a Prince and nation whom they greatly respect, and +with whom various circumstances lead them to wish for +the most cordial and permanent friendship, have thought +proper to request his most Catholic Majesty to accede to +the said treaties, and thereby preclude the necessity of +that measure's originating in the manner specified in the +article. For this purpose they have done me the honor +to appoint me Minister Plenipotentiary, and directed me +to communicate to his Most Christian Majesty the desire +of Congress on this subject, and to request his favorable +interposition. They also made it my duty to give his +Most Catholic Majesty the fullest assurances of their sincere +disposition to cultivate his friendship and confidence; +and authorised me, in their behalf, to enter into such treaties +of alliance, amity, and commerce, as would become the +foundations of perpetual peace to Spain and the United +States, and the source of extensive advantages to both.</p> + +<p>Thus commissioned I embarked without delay on board +the frigate, which had been appointed to carry the Sieur +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_201" id="Page_201">201</a></span> +Gerard to France, and sailed with him for that kingdom, +from Pennsylvania, on the 26th day of October last.</p> + +<p>But after having been thirteen days at sea, the frigate was +dismasted, and her rudder so greatly injured, as to +oblige us to alter our course and steer for Martinique. +We arrived there on the 18th day of December last; and +sailed from thence on the 28th day of the same month in +a French frigate which was bound to Toulon, but had +orders to touch at this port for intelligence. We arrived +here the 22d instant, and received information of recent +events, which rendered the further prosecution of our +voyage too hazardous to be prudent.</p> + +<p>Providence having thus been pleased to bring me directly +to Spain, the respect due to his most Catholic Majesty +forbids me to postpone communicating to him my appointment +and arrival; and the same motive will induce me +to remain here till he shall be pleased to signify to me his +pleasure. For although nothing would afford me more +sensible pleasure, than the honor of presenting to his Majesty +the despatches, which I am charged by Congress to +deliver to him, yet on this, as on every other occasion, it +shall be my study to execute the trust reposed in me, in +the manner most pleasing to his Majesty, agreeable to the +true intent and meaning of the article abovementioned.</p> + +<p>And that his most Christian Majesty may have the highest +evidence of the intention and desire of Congress fully +and faithfully to execute this article, I shall immediately do +myself the honor of communicating the same, together +with my appointment and arrival; and I flatter myself, that +the request of Congress for his favorable interposition, will +meet with the same friendly attention, which he has uniformly +extended to all their concerns, and of which I am +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_202" id="Page_202">202</a></span> +too sensible not to derive the highest satisfaction from acknowledging +it on every occasion.</p> + +<p>Mr Carmichael, my Secretary, will have the honor of +delivering this despatch to your Excellency, as well as of +giving every information in his power to afford. This gentleman +was a member of Congress at the time of his appointment, +and will be able more fully to express the ardor +with which the United States desire to establish a union +with France and Spain, on principles productive of such +mutual attachment and reciprocal benefits, as to secure to +each the blessings of uninterrupted tranquillity.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, with great consideration and +respect, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p>P. S. I do myself the honor of transmitting to your +Excellency, herewith enclosed, a copy of my letter to his +Excellency the Count de Vergennes.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, January 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>This morning M. Gerard set out from this city for +France, and Mr Carmichael, charged with despatches from +me to the Spanish Ministry, accompanies him as far as +Madrid.</p> + +<p>We arrived here the 22d inst. and I have been so much +engaged ever since in preparing letters, &c. as not to have +an opportunity of writing circumstantially to your Excellency +by Captain Proctor, who I am told, is to sail early +in the morning for the Delaware or Chesapeake. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_203" id="Page_203">203</a></span></p> + +<p>We left Martinique on the 28th of December, in the +Aurora frigate, bound to Toulon. On touching here for +intelligence we were informed that the enemy had acquired +a decided superiority in the Mediterranean, and that +the coast was infested by their cruisers, all of whom we +had fortunately escaped. Hence it became improper for +me to proceed to France by water, and it would in my +opinion have been indelicate, and therefore imprudent to +have passed silently through this kingdom to that, for the +purpose of making a communication to his most Christian +Majesty, which could be fully conveyed by paper. On +this subject I shall take the liberty of making a few further +remarks in a future letter.</p> + +<p>Congress will be enabled to judge of the propriety and +plan of my conduct, from the papers herewith enclosed, +viz. a copy of a letter to M. Galvez, the Spanish Minister; +a copy of a letter to the Count de Vergennes; of +both these I have sent copies to Dr Franklin; a copy +of a letter to Mr Arthur Lee; and a copy of my instructions +to Mr Carmichael.</p> + +<p>It is in pursuance of what appears to me to be my duty, +that I shall render frequent, particular, and confidential accounts +of my proceedings to Congress. I flatter myself +care will be taken to prevent the return of them to Europe.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>INSTRUCTIONS TO WILLIAM CARMICHAEL.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, January 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p>You will proceed to Madrid with convenient expedition, +and, if M. Gerard, with whom you set out, should travel +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_204" id="Page_204">204</a></span> +too deliberately, I advise you to go on before him. The +propriety of this, however, will depend much on circumstances, +and must be determined by your own discretion.</p> + +<p>On delivering my letter to M. Galvez, it would be +proper to intimate, that I presumed it would be more +agreeable to him to receive my despatches from you, who +could give him information on many matters about which +he might choose to inquire, than in the ordinary modes of +conveyance. And it may not be amiss to let him know, +that his not receiving notice of our arrival from me by M. +Gerard's courier, was owing to a mistake between that +gentleman and me.</p> + +<p>Treat the French Ambassador with great attention and +candor, and that degree of confidence only, which prudence, +and the alliance between us may prescribe. In +your conversations with people about the Court, impress +them with an idea of our strong attachment to France; +yet, so as to avoid permitting them to imbibe an opinion of +our being under the <i>direction</i> of any counsels but our own. +The former will induce them to think well of our constancy +and good faith, the latter, of our independence and +self respect.</p> + +<p>Discover, if possible, whether the Courts of Madrid and +Versailles entertain, in any degree, the same mutual disgusts, +which we are told prevail at present between the +two nations, and be cautious when you tread on this delicate +ground. It would also be useful to know who are +the King's principal confidants, and the trains leading to +each.</p> + +<p>To treat prudently with any nation, it is essential to +know the state of its revenues. Turn your attention, +therefore, to this object, and endeavor to learn whether the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_205" id="Page_205">205</a></span> +public expenditures consume their annual income, or +whether there be any, and what overplus or deficiency, +and the manner in which the former is disposed of or the +latter supplied.</p> + +<p>If an opportunity should offer, inform yourself as to the +regulations of the press at Madrid, and, indeed, throughout +the kingdom; and the particular character of the person +at the head of that department. Endeavor to find some +person of adequate abilities and knowledge in the two languages, +to translate English into Spanish with propriety, +and, if possible, elegance. I wish also to know, which of +the religious orders, and the individuals of it, are most esteemed +and favored at Court.</p> + +<p>Mention, as matter of intelligence, rather than in the +way of argument, the cruelties of the enemy, and the influence +of that conduct on the passions of Americans. +This will be the more necessary, as it seems we are suspected +of retaining our former attachments to Britain.</p> + +<p>In speaking of American affairs, remember to do justice +to Virginia, and the western country near the Mississippi. +Recount their achievements against the savages, +their growing numbers, extensive settlements, and aversion +to Britain, for attempting to involve them in the horrors of +an Indian war. Let it appear also from your representations, +that ages will be necessary to settle those extensive +regions.</p> + +<p>Let it be inferred from your conversation, that the expectations +of America, as to my reception and success, are +sanguine; that they have been rendered the more so by +the suggestions of persons generally supposed to speak +from authority, and that a disappointment would be no less +unwelcome than unexpected. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_206" id="Page_206">206</a></span></p> + +<p>I am persuaded, that pains will be taken to delay my +receiving a decided answer as to my reception, until the +sentiments of France shall be known. Attempts will also +be made to suspend the acknowledgment of our independence, +on the condition of our acceding to <i>certain</i> terms of +treaty. Do nothing to cherish either of these ideas; but, +without being explicit, treat the latter in a manner expressive +of regret and apprehension, and seem to consider +my reception as a measure, which we hoped would be immediately +taken, although the business of the negotiation +might be postponed till France could have an opportunity +of taking the steps she might think proper on the occasion.</p> + +<p>You will offer to transmit to me any despatches, which +M. Galvez may think proper to confide to you; or to return +with them yourself, if more agreeable to him.</p> + +<p>You will be attentive to all other objects of useful information, +such as the characters, views, and connexions of +important individuals; the plan of operations for the next +campaign; whether any, and what secret overtures have +been made by Britain to France, or Spain, or by either of +them to her, or each other; whether any of the other +powers have manifested a disposition to take a part in the +war; and whether it is probable that any, and which of +them, will become mediators for a general peace, and on +what plan. If the war should continue, it would be advantageous +to know whether Spain means to carry on any +serious operations for possessing herself of the Floridas, +and banks of the Mississippi, &c. &c. &c.</p> + +<p>Although I have confidence in your prudence, yet permit +me to recommend to you the greatest circumspection. +Command yourself under every circumstance; on the one +hand, avoid being suspected of servility, and on the other, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_207" id="Page_207">207</a></span> +let your temper be always even, and your attention unremitted.</p> + +<p>You will oblige me by being very regular and circumstantial +in your correspondence, and commit nothing of a +private nature to paper unless in cypher.</p> + +<p class="indent1">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>WILLIAM CARMICHAEL TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, February 15th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>I arrived in this city late in the evening of the 11th, +after a tedious and disagreeable journey. The next day, +although much indisposed, I waited on the French +Ambassador, who had by a message over night, requested M. +Gerard to engage me to dinner. I was received by him +and all his family in the most friendly manner, and was +offered every service in his power, to render us without +those personal professions, which give birth to many unmeaning +words and more suspicion. Indeed, I have neither +expressions nor time to represent the apparent candor +and liberality of his sentiments. He entered fully into the +good disposition of his Court, and informed me, that the +King, as a further proof of his friendship for us, had +agreed to pay us annually the additional sum of three +millions of livres during the continuance of the war, in +order to enable us to purchase the necessaries for our +army, &c. &c. and that his Majesty had also determined +to send a considerable marine and land force early in the +year to America, to be at the disposition and under the +direction of our General. Seventeen sail of the line, +and four thousand troops, are also to be sent to the West +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_208" id="Page_208">208</a></span> +Indies, if they have not already sailed. Judge after this, if +attention, candor, and apparent unreservedness, were not +the more necessary on my part.</p> + +<p>On inquiring, I found that M. Galvez was at the Pardo, +about two leagues from Madrid, where the King resides at +present, and in the course of conversation discovered, that +the proper channel of address ought to have been through +the Count de Florida Blanca.</p> + +<p>The Ambassador offered to introduce me, but as this +could not be done with propriety without previous application, +he undertook to make it the day following, and to +fix the time for my reception by both, and I think the manner +will be the sole difficulty.</p> + +<p>Among other circumstances, which induce this conclusion, +is the certain knowledge I have obtained, that M. +Mirales received instructions several months past to enter +into engagements with Congress, to take into pay a body +of troops to assist in the conquest of Florida. Your own +good sense will point out the use, which may be made of +this intelligence. It answers to the point of the instructions, +which I had the honor to receive from you. The +short time I have been in this city has not hitherto given +me an opportunity of writing so circumstantially as I could +wish, in the matters abovementioned, and much less of giving +a decided opinion on many objects contained in your +instructions. I find, however, hitherto no difficulty in acquiring +in time a knowledge on most of the subjects recommended +to my attention.</p> + +<p>I have reason to believe, that the same disgusts do not +subsist between the Crowns as between the nations, but +the most perfect harmony and good understanding.</p> + +<p>I have been positively assured, and from good authority, +that no overtures have been made for peace. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_209" id="Page_209">209</a></span></p> + +<p>The Dutch are arming, which is a circumstance in our +favor, as their preparations originate from their discontent +with England, on account of the late affair of the convoy.</p> + +<p>Mr Harrison is here, and proposes to proceed to Cadiz +next week, which will furnish me a good opportunity of +writing to you. I enclose you the last paper received from +America; the people were in high spirits, and everything +in a good state in the beginning of January.</p> + +<p>I cannot conclude without mentioning the very polite +manner in which the French Ambassador offered his personal +civilities in everything, that depended on him, to be +useful to you in this place.</p> + +<p>M. Gerard will write to you himself, yet I must do him +the justice to mention his personal kindness to me, and the +candid representations he has made in every public company +here of the prosperous situation of our affairs.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">WILLIAM CARMICHAEL</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, February 20th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The papers herewith enclosed are duplicates of those, +which I had the honor of transmitting to your Excellency +by Captain Desaussure. As yet I have received no intelligence +from Madrid, owing I believe to the extreme badness +of the roads.</p> + +<p>When at Martinique, I informed Congress by letter, +dated the 25th of December last, that I had drawn a bill +in favor of the officers of the Confederacy on Dr Franklin, +for one hundred guineas. At the time that letter was +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_210" id="Page_210">210</a></span> +written, I had made the officers that promise, and had +directed the bills to be made out accordingly, but just as I +was coming away and closing accounts with Mr Bingham, +he, perceiving that the money I was about to draw for the +officers was to come out of my salary, in the first instance, +was so obliging as to offer to advance that sum on the +credit of Congress, and thereby save me the necessity of +drawing. I accepted his offer, and gave notice of it to the +officers by Mr Lawrence, the clerk of the frigate.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">Pardo, February 24th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Having received by the hands of Don Joseph de Galvez, +the letter which your Excellency sent by Mr Carmichael, +and having communicated the contents to his Majesty, I +have it in command to inform you, that his Majesty highly +approves the choice, which the American Congress have +made of you to the trust mentioned in your letter, as well +on account of the high estimation in which his Majesty +holds the members who made the choice, as the information +he has received of your probity, talents, and abilities. +His Majesty also received with pleasure the information of +the desire which the Colonies have to form a connexion +with Spain, of whose good disposition they have already +received strong proofs. Nevertheless, his Majesty thinks +it necessary in the first place, that the manner, the forms, +and the mutual correspondence should be settled, upon +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_211" id="Page_211">211</a></span> +which that Union must be founded, which the United +States of America desire to establish with this monarchy. +For this purpose there is no obstacle to your Excellency's +coming to this Court, in order to explain your intentions +and those of the Congress, and to hear those of his Majesty, +and by that means settling a basis upon which a perfect +friendship may be established, and also its extent and +consequences.</p> + +<p>His Majesty thinks, that until these points are settled, as +he hopes they will be, it is not proper for your Excellency +to assume a formal character, which must depend on a +public acknowledgment and future treaty. But your +Excellency may be assured of the sincerity and good dispositions +of his Majesty towards the United States, and of +his earnest desire to remove every difficulty, for the mutual +happiness of them and of this monarchy. This has been +intimated to Mr Carmichael, who can communicate the +same to your Excellency, to whom I beg leave to make a +tender of my service, being, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO WILLIAM CARMICHAEL.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, February 25th, 1780.</p> + +<p>Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>Your favor of the 15th instant was delivered to me +last evening. I congratulate you on your safe arrival, and +hope the agreeable circumstances of your present situation +will compensate for the fatigue and trouble you experienced +on the way to it.</p> + +<p>It gives me pleasure to hear the French Ambassador +has been so obliging, and I am glad to find from your +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_212" id="Page_212">212</a></span> +letter, that your attentions to him at least keep pace with +his civilities, especially as you are no stranger to the distinction +between the candor and politeness of a gentleman, +and that unbounded confidence which is seldom +necessary.</p> + +<p>The intelligence you received from him is so agreeable +and so interesting, that although the nature of it leaves me +no room to doubt of this having been signified by the +Court of France to Congress, either through Dr Franklin +or the Count de la Luzerne, yet as unexpected accidents +may have retarded its arrival, I shall also transmit it by a +vessel, which will sail in a few days for Boston.</p> + +<p>I regret your not having been more particular on the +subject of the mistake you have been led to suppose in the +direction of my letter, as I wish to have the means of determining +whether it was from decisive authority that M. +Gerard, whose opinion I requested on that subject, without +hesitation told me, that M. Galvez was the Minister with +whom all business with the United States was to be transacted, +and urged several reasons for his being of that +opinion. From that gentleman's knowledge of the Courts +of Europe, and the departments established for the despatch +of business in each, particularly with that of Madrid, +with which his Court had been so long and so intimately +acquainted, I was induced to desire and confide in his +information on that point. Very conclusive reasons, therefore, +are necessary to induce a belief of his having been +mistaken. But as it is of importance that all errors of +this kind be known, and, if possible, corrected, I must request +your attention to this matter in your next.</p> + +<p>I am at a loss to determine from your letter whether or +not you have sent my despatches to M. Galvez. From +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_213" id="Page_213">213</a></span> +your not having seen that gentleman, nor expecting to be +introduced to him till the 17th instant, I conjecture that +my letter did not reach him till that day; if so, I fear the +delay will appear as singular to him as I confess it does +to me. It does the more so to me, as my letter would +have introduced you, and as you were apprised of my +apprehension that pains would be taken to delay my receiving +a decided answer, as to my reception, until the +sentiments of France should be known. Perhaps the +advice you received, as to the time and manner most proper +for the delivery of it, was a little influenced by a desire +of gaining time. I wished to have felt the pulse of +Spain, and, by their conduct on this occasion, to have been +enabled to determine whether their councils, with respect +to the United States, are in any and in what degree independent +of those of France, or whether directed by them. +This would have been very useful in the further progress +of the business, and might have been easily obtained, had +my letter been delivered immediately on your arrival, because +in that case, before the sentiments of the French +Court could have been asked and received, sufficient time +would have elapsed to justify your applying to M. Galvez +for an answer; and, whatever that might have been, certain +inferences would have been deducible from it. For +these reasons, and not from an expectation of opposition +from France, I regret this delay. But as my conjectures +may prove groundless, and if just, you may have very +cogent reasons, I forbear further remarks till I shall again +have the pleasure of hearing from you.</p> + +<p>Are you sure that the intelligence you heard respecting +M. Mirales is <i>certain</i>? I am sorry by this question to +lengthen your next letter, especially as writing in cypher is +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_214" id="Page_214">214</a></span> +tedious and disagreeable. But that intelligence is important; +if credited, it may have an influence on American +measures, which, if it should be groundless, might be injurious. +The transmission of information to Congress, by +which their councils and determinations may be affected, +is a very delicate business, and demands the greatest care +and precision. It is not uncommon, you know, for one +gentleman to think a matter certain, which another of no +greater discernment, and judging by the same evidence, +will deem somewhat doubtful. I would choose, therefore, +with respect to all interesting intelligence, and particularly +such as I may transmit to Congress, to possess as +far as possible every circumstance necessary to form a +judgment of its credibility, such as the rank and character +of the informants, and the means they have of acquiring +the information they give, that I may represent it as entitled +to that degree of credit only, which, on full consideration, +it may appear to deserve. I observe this less with +reference to the case in question than as a general rule. +Besides, as we correspond in cypher, no danger can result +from being explicit.</p> + +<p>I am well satisfied that the short time you had been at +Madrid did not admit of your writing on the several subjects +contained in your instructions, on all of which, if +allowed sufficient time, I am persuaded you will be able +to obtain important information. However, as the object +of your going to Madrid was to prevent delays in my receiving +an answer to the letter to M. Galvez, the other +instructions, however important, are to be considered as +secondary, and though I wish that great and constant attention +may be paid them, yet by no means to the neglect or prejudice +of the first. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_215" id="Page_215">215</a></span></p> + +<p>I am much obliged to you for the American paper enclosed +in your letter. Everything from our country is +interesting. If you should find any more of them, whose +contents afford either information or entertainment, send +them, and you shall receive from me all I may meet with +here, which come under that description.</p> + +<p>The letter you gave me reason to expect from M. Gerard +has not yet arrived; perhaps the next post will bring +it. On the first occasion I have of writing to him, I shall +take the liberty of mentioning the sense you have of his +personal kindness and attention to you.</p> + +<p>The polite offers of the French Ambassador to be useful +to me in all things that depend on him at Madrid, as +well as his civilities to you, demand my acknowledgments, +which I must beg the favor of you to present to him.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Dear Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, February 29th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency in +the enclosed papers,<a name="FNanchor_16" id="FNanchor_16" href="#Footnote_16" class="fnanchor">[16]</a> all the intelligence I have received +from Madrid. Mr Secretary Thompson will decypher +them. An opinion begins to prevail, that America will be +the theatre of war the ensuing campaign, and that the +islands there will be the principal objects of contention.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_216" id="Page_216">216</a></span></p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_16" id="Footnote_16"></a><a href="#FNanchor_16"><span class="label">[16]</span></a> See above, p. <a href="#Page_207">207</a>, Mr Carmichael's letter, dated February 15th, +and Mr Jay's reply, p. <a href="#Page_211">211</a>, dated February 25th. See also a letter +in <i>Carmichael's Correspondence</i>, dated February 18th.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, March 3d, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Agreeably to my promise to the Marquis de la Flotte, +I must inform your Excellency, that a Monsieur Jean Guy +Guatier, merchant at Barcelona, recommended to the +Marquis by Monsieur Aubere, the French consul there, is +desirous of becoming the consul of the United States at +that port. He had been encouraged, as M. Aubere says, +to expect this appointment by Dr Franklin, but as he +supposed my arrival would prevent the Doctor's interference, +it became necessary to make the application to +me. I told the Marquis that my commission did not +authorise me to comply with his request, and that all I +could do would be to mention his friend's application to +Congress.</p> + +<p>How far it may be proper to grant appointments of this +sort to any but citizens of America, is a question whose +importance will not, I am persuaded, escape the notice of +Congress. A sensible, active consul is a very useful +officer in many respects, and has many opportunities of +doing essential services to those who employ him, or to +whom he may be most attached. It is most certain, that for +want of proper persons appointed to take care of our distressed +seamen, who, escaping from captivity at Lisbon, +Gibraltar, &c. daily arrive here, America loses many of +them. Humanity as well as policy calls for this provision. +I have some of them now with me, destitute of bread +and money, and almost of clothes, and of the means of +getting either, unless by entering into the French or +Spanish service. Such as may arrive here after my going +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_217" id="Page_217">217</a></span> +to Madrid will be friendless unless I employ some person +to take a little care of them, which I shall take the liberty +of doing, being fully persuaded that the same principles +which press me into that measure will induce Congress +to approve it.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Cadiz, March 3d, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Captain Morgan being still here, waiting for a fair +wind, I have an opportunity of transmitting to your Excellency +a copy of a letter<a name="FNanchor_17" id="FNanchor_17" href="#Footnote_17" class="fnanchor">[17]</a> just come to hand from the +Count de Florida Blanca, in answer to mine to M. Galvez.</p> + +<p>Being apprehensive that if present I should probably be +amused with verbal answers capable of being explained +away if necessary, until the two courts could have time +to consult and decide on their measures, I thought it more +prudent that my first application should be by letter rather +than in person.</p> + +<p>The answer in question, divested of the gloss which its +politeness spreads over it, gives us, I think, to understand, +that our independence shall be acknowledged, provided we +accede to certain terms of treaty, but not otherwise; so +that the acknowledgment is not to be made because we +are independent, which would be candid and liberal, but +because of the previous considerations we are to give for +it, which is consistent with the principles on which nations +usually act. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_218" id="Page_218">218</a></span></p> + +<p>I shall proceed immediately to Madrid. There are +many reasons (hereafter to be explained,) which induce +me to suspect that France is determined to manage +between us, so as to make us debtors to their influence +and good correspondence with Spain for every concession +on her part, and to make Spain hold herself obligated to +their influence and good correspondence with us for every +concession on our part. Though this may puzzle the +business, I think it also promotes it.</p> + +<p>M. Gerard has often endeavored to persuade me, that a +certain resolution of Congress would, if persisted in, ruin +the business, which however he did not appear much +inclined to believe, but, on the contrary, that if every +other matter was adjusted you would not part on that +point. I assured him that ground had, in my opinion, +been taken with too much deliberation now to be quitted, +and that expectations of that kind would certainly deceive +those who trusted them. And, indeed, as affairs are now +circumstanced, it would, in my opinion, be better for +America to have no treaty with Spain, than to purchase +one on such servile terms. There was a time when it +might have been proper to have given that country something +for their making common cause with us, but that day +is now past. Spain is at war with Britain.</p> + +<p>I do not like the cypher in which I write, and shall +therefore defer further particulars till Mr Thompson shall +receive the one now sent him.</p> + +<p>I have the honor to be, with great respect and esteem, +your Excellency's most obedient servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_219" id="Page_219">219</a></span></p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_17" id="Footnote_17"></a><a href="#FNanchor_17"><span class="label">[17]</span></a> See this letter above, dated February 24th, p. <a href="#Page_210">210</a>.</p> +</div></div> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Amsterdam, April 6th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>We beg leave to congratulate your Excellency on your +safe arrival in Europe. By principle warmly attached to +the American cause, we could wish that we saw our +States in a situation to acknowledge the independence of +their sister Republic, and though we could only cultivate +private connexions as yet, we took the liberty to address +some intelligence to your Excellency when President of +Congress. We should reckon ourselves extremely happy +to know whether our letter came to hand before your +Excellency left Philadelphia, and whether we may form +any hopes that our zeal may prove successful for the +benefit, as we intended, of both countries.</p> + +<p>Meanwhile we have the honor to be, with all possible +regard, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ANSWER TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, April 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>I have had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the +6th instant, and am much obliged by your kind congratulations +on my arrival in Europe.</p> + +<p>The letters you mention to have written to Congress +had been received before I left Philadelphia, and referred +to a committee. This mark of attention was justly due to +the interest you take in the American cause, and the disposition +you manifest to serve it. I presume that the +committee soon made a report, and that answers to your +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_220" id="Page_220">220</a></span> +letters have been written, although perhaps the many +hazards to which letters from America are exposed may +have prevented their reaching you.</p> + +<p>When the rulers of your republic recollect in what +manner and on what occasion they became free, I am persuaded +they cannot but wish duration to our independence, +nor forbear considering it as an event no less interesting +to every commercial nation in Europe than important to +America. These and similar considerations, added to the +injustice they daily experience from England, will, I hope, +induce them to call to mind that spirit of their forefathers, +which acquired a glorious participation in the empire of the +ocean, and laid the foundation of the commerce, affluence, +and consideration they transmitted to their posterity.</p> + +<p>Permit me to assure you that I shall consider your correspondence +as a favor, and that I am, with great respect, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, May 26th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Since my departure from America I have had the +honor of writing the following letters to your Excellency, +viz. 20th, 22d, 24th, 25th, 25th, 26th and 27th of December, +1779, from Martinique; and 27th of January, 20th, +28th and 29th of February, and 3d of March, 1780, from +Cadiz. I am still uncertain whether any, and which of +them, have come to your hands, and request the favor of +particular information on this subject.</p> + +<p>Of such of them as respect immediately the business +committed to me I now send duplicates, as well as copies +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_221" id="Page_221">221</a></span> +of such other papers as, taken collectively, will give +Congress a full and accurate state of their affairs here.</p> + +<p>This packet, of which an exact copy goes by another +vessel, will appear voluminous. It will nevertheless be +found interesting. I have interspersed such observations +as to me appeared proper for the purpose of explanation.</p> + +<p>On the 22d of January, 1780, I arrived at Cadiz, without +letters of credit or recommendation to any person there. +The Chevalier Roche (a passenger with us) was so +obliging as to procure me credit for about two hundred +pounds sterling with a relation of his, to whom I was +obliged to give a bill on Dr Franklin at a more than usual +short sight. I afterwards became acquainted with the +house of Le Couteulx and Company, who offered me +what money I might want, and furnished me accordingly, +with great cheerfulness. I was very disagreeably circumstanced.</p> + +<p>Finding reports ran hard against American credit, and +that bills on Dr Franklin were held very cheap, by reason +of his having, as was there said, postponed, delayed, and +in some instances refused payment of them, on very +frivolous pretences, I did, on the 26th of January, 1780, +inform him by letter of my arrival, and of these reports.</p> + +<p>In answer to this, the Doctor, on the 7th of April, +1780, wrote me a very friendly letter, asserting these +reports to be false, and enclosing a certificate of his +banker, which proved them to be so. Of this I have +made the proper use, and as the same reports prevailed in +Martinique, and probably in the other islands, I wish the +remedy to be as extensive as the mischief, and therefore transmit +the following extract from his letter on that +subject, and a copy of the certificate mentioned in it. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_222" id="Page_222">222</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title"><i>Extract of a Letter from his Excellency Dr Franklin, +dated April 7th, 1780.</i></p> + +<p>"The reports you tell me prevail at Cadiz, that the +Loan Office Bills, payable in France, have not been duly +honored, are wicked falsehoods. Not one of them, duly +endorsed by the original proprietor, was ever refused by +me, or the payment delayed a moment. And the few not +so endorsed have been also paid on the guarantee of the +presenter, or some person of known credit. No reason +whatever has been given for refusing payment of a bill, +except this very good one that either the first, second, +third or fourth of the same set had been already paid. +The pretence that it was necessary for the whole set to +arrive before the money could be paid, is too absurd and +ridiculous for anyone to make use of, who knows anything +of the nature of exchange. The unexpected large +draughts made upon me by Congress and others, exclusive +of these from the Loan Office, have indeed sometimes +embarrassed me not a little, and put me to difficulties. +But I have overcome those difficulties, so as never to have +been obliged to make the smallest excuse, or desire the +least delay of payment from any presenter of such bills. +Those reports must therefore have been contrived by +enemies to our country, or by persons who proposed an +advantage to themselves by purchasing them at an under +rate. Enclosed I send you a certificate of our banker in +refutation of those calumnies." +</p></div> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title"><i>Copy of the abovementioned Certificate.</i></p> + +<p class="embed_title">Translation.</p> + +<p>"I, the subscriber, banker at Paris, and alone charged +with the payment of the bills of the Loan Office, declare, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_223" id="Page_223">223</a></span> +that I have paid, without exception or delay, all such bills +to this date, accepted by his Excellency Dr Franklin; +that, to my knowledge, no such bill has been refused +payment; but that several have been presented after they +had been once paid.</p> + +<p>"I declare further, that whatever is contradictory to +this present is false.</p> + +<p>"In testimony of which I have here signed my name at +Paris, this 15th of March, 1780.</p> + +<p class="signed">GRAND."</p> +</div> + +<p>It appearing to me of importance that I should as soon as +possible be informed of the measures, which Mr Arthur Lee +might have taken leading to a treaty between the United +States and Spain, I did, on the 26th of January, 1780, +write him a letter, of which the following is a copy.<a name="FNanchor_18" id="FNanchor_18" href="#Footnote_18" class="fnanchor">[18]</a></p> + +<p>Mr Lee, in answer to this, wrote me a polite letter on +the 17th of March, 1780. The following is a copy of it.<a name="FNanchor_19" id="FNanchor_19" href="#Footnote_19" class="fnanchor">[19]</a></p> + +<p>As, for reasons, which will appear in the course of the +following papers, and which I hope will meet with the approbation +of Congress, it became proper for me to remain in +Spain, I apprised the Court of France of it by a letter to +his Excellency the Count de Vergennes, on the 27th of +January, 1780, of which the following is a copy.<a name="FNanchor_20" id="FNanchor_20" href="#Footnote_20" class="fnanchor">[20]</a></p> + +<p>The Count's answer to this is in the following words.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">Translation.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">"Versailles, March 13th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have received your favor of the 27th of January, and +I am fully sensible of the confidence you have reposed in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_224" id="Page_224">224</a></span> +me, by communicating to me the object of your mission. +You know too well the attachment of his Majesty to the +United States, not to feel assured that he sincerely wishes +you success, and will be eager to contribute to it. The +Count de Montmorin has received instructions accordant +with this disposition, and I do not doubt that your confidence +in him will enable him to fulfil them to your entire +satisfaction.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">DE VERGENNES."</p> +</div> + +<p>On the 9th of May, 1780, I replied to the Count as follows.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Aranjues, May 9th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"The letter which your Excellency did me the honor +to write me, on the 13th of March last, was delivered to +me by the Count de Montmorin on my arrival at Madrid.</p> + +<p>"I should not have thus long delayed the pleasure of +replying to it, if I could have prevailed upon myself to have +given your Excellency complimentary professions, instead +of sincere assurances. Unreserved confidence in an Ambassador +of our great and good ally was just, as well as +natural; and I am exceedingly happy to find that personal +considerations, instead of forbidding, prompt it. M. Gerard, +whose judgment I greatly respect, had given me a +very favorable impression of this gentleman, and I am convinced +from my own observation, that he was not mistaken. +His conduct towards me has been that of a wise minister, +and a candid gentleman. Your Excellency may therefore +rely upon his receiving all that confidence from me, which +these considerations dictate. Permit me to add, that I +never indulge myself in contemplating the future happiness +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_225" id="Page_225">225</a></span> +and independence of my country, without feeling the warmest +attachment to the Prince and people, who are making +such glorious exertions to establish them.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"With the most lively sentiments of respect and esteem, +I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>I requested the favor of M. Gerard to inform me, to +which of the Ministers of Spain it would be proper to +address any letters, which I might think proper to write to +that court. He told me M. Galvez, and enumerated his +reasons for thinking so. On the 27th of January, 1780, I +wrote a letter to that Minister. The following is a copy +of it.<a name="FNanchor_21" id="FNanchor_21" href="#Footnote_21" class="fnanchor">[21]</a></p> + +<p>Mr Carmichael was the bearer of this letter, and as his +going to Madrid to expedite an answer to it would give +him an opportunity of acquiring, as well as giving information +on several subjects, I gave him the following instructions.<a name="FNanchor_22" id="FNanchor_22" href="#Footnote_22" class="fnanchor">[22]</a></p> + +<p>I have desired Mr Carmichael, for greater certainty, to +give me notes in writing of all the information he gained in +pursuance of these instructions, but he has postponed it +for the sake of enlarging them by some important additions.</p> + +<p>My letter to M. Galvez was answered the 24th of February, +1780, by the Count de Florida Blanca, in the words +following, viz.<a name="FNanchor_23" id="FNanchor_23" href="#Footnote_23" class="fnanchor">[23]</a></p> + +<p>To this letter I replied as follows, viz.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Cadiz, March 6th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have been honored with your Excellency's favor of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_226" id="Page_226">226</a></span> +the 24th ultimo, which did not come to my hands till sometime +after its arrival.</p> + +<p>"The sentiments which his Majesty is pleased to entertain +of me, together with the polite manner in which your +Excellency has been so obliging as to express them, demand +my warmest acknowledgments, and give additional +force to the many motives, which render me desirous of a +permanent union between his Majesty and the United +States.</p> + +<p>"The honor and probity, which have ever characterised +the conduct of Spain, together with the exalted reputation +his Majesty has acquired, by being an eminent example of +both, have induced the people of the United States to repose +the highest confidence in the proofs they have received +of his friendly disposition towards them; and to consider +every engagement with this monarchy as guarantied by +that faith, and secured by that ingenuousness, which have +so gloriously distinguished his Majesty and this kingdom +among the other Princes and nations of the earth.</p> + +<p>"Permit me to request the favor of your Excellency to +assure his Majesty, that the people of the United States +are convinced, that virtue alone can animate and support +their governments; and that they can in no other way +establish and perpetuate a national character, honorable to +themselves and their posterity, than by an unshaken adherence +to the rules which religion, morality, and treaties +may prescribe for their conduct. His royal mind may also +be persuaded, that gratitude will never cease to add the +influence of inclination to the power of dignity, in rendering +them solicitous for the happiness and prosperity of +those generous nations, who nobly strengthened their opposition +to a torrent of oppression, and kindly aided in freeing +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_227" id="Page_227">227</a></span> +them from the bondage of a nation, whose arrogance +and injustice had become destructive of the rights of mankind, +and dangerous to the peace and tranquillity of Christendom.</p> + +<p>"Having therefore the most perfect conviction, that the +candor and benignity of his Majesty's intentions are equal +to the uprightness and sincerity of those of Congress, I +shall set out in a few days for Madrid, with the pleasing +expectation that there will be little delay or difficulty in +adjusting the terms of a union between a magnanimous +Monarch and a virtuous people, who wish to obtain, by an +alliance with each other, only reciprocal benefits and mutual +advantages.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, with perfect respect and consideration, +your Excellency's most obedient, and most +humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>On the 4th of April, 1780, I arrived at Madrid, and Mr +Carmichael delivered to me the following questions from +the Count de Florida Blanca, to which he had declined +giving answers, viz.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>Questions from the Count de Florida Blanca, dated the +9th of March, 1780.</i></p> + +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"Before entering into a discussion with Mr Jay or Mr +Carmichael, jointly or separately, on the subject of the +affairs of the United States of North America, and their +mutual interest with respect to Spain, it is judged indispensable +at Madrid, that the Catholic King should be exactly +informed of the civil and military state of the American +Provinces, and of their resources to continue the present +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_228" id="Page_228">228</a></span> +war, not only for the defence of their own liberty, but also +with respect to the aid and succors they may be able to +afford Spain in its operations, in case hereafter this Crown +should become the ally of America. The <i>Civil Affairs</i> +ought to comprehend,</p> + +<p>"1st. A true account of the population and form of government +of each Province of the Union, and the resolution +of the inhabitants to continue the war with vigor, as long as +it is necessary.</p> + +<p>"2dly. Whether there is any powerful party in favor of +England, and what consequences are to be apprehended +from it; whether the heads of this party suffer themselves +to be seduced by the great promises of the British government.</p> + +<p>"3dly. A statement of the revenues of these Provinces, +and of their ability to contribute to the general expense; to +which may be added, whether they will be able long to +support this burthen, and even to increase it should it be +judged necessary.</p> + +<p>"4thly. A statement of the public debts, and of the +particular debts of each State, taken collectively or +separately, of their resources to lessen them, and the possibility +of their being able to support their credit in all the operations +of government, in the commerce of their inhabitants, +and above all in the protection of national industry.</p> + +<p>"5thly. By what means, or with what branches of commerce, +will the States of America have it in their power +to indemnify Spain, whenever this power may second the +views and operations of the Americans; and particularly +the Court wishes to know, whether it may be convenient +for the said States to furnish ships of war of the best construction +for the Spanish marine, and likewise timber and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_229" id="Page_229">229</a></span> +other articles for the King's arsenals, and the whole without +loss of time, and fixing the terms on which they would +make an agreement of this nature, and who would be +commissioned to bring the vessels and these naval stores +to Spain.</p> + +<p>"With respect to the <i>Military State</i> of America, it is +necessary to be informed first, of the number and strength +of the different bodies of troops armed by the Provinces, +and of their present situation, in order to judge whether +they are sufficient to oppose the enemy wherever they +may go, and particularly in Carolina and Georgia.</p> + +<p>"Further, it may be expedient to know the means of +augmenting the American army in case it is necessary, or +to keep it always on the same footing, notwithstanding its +daily losses. In what condition their clothing and arms +are at present; whether they are partly in want of those +articles, and how much it would require to remedy those +defects.</p> + +<p>"The subsistence of an army being an object of the +greatest consequence, the Court desires to know if proper +measures have been taken for that purpose, that it may be +ascertained whether it can act everywhere, if necessary, +even in the above mentioned Provinces, without danger +of being in want of necessaries.</p> + +<p>"It is highly essential for the Provinces of America to +keep a marine to act against the common enemy, and to +secure their own possessions during the present war. The +Spanish Minister therefore is desirous of knowing its +strength, including the armed vessels belonging to individuals, +and by what means it may be augmented, and +what succors will be necessary for that purpose.</p> + +<p>"The Court of Spain, desirous of information on these +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_230" id="Page_230">230</a></span> +subjects with all possible frankness and precision, does +not pretend to dive into matters, which Mr Jay or Mr +Carmichael may regard as reserved to themselves. Its +only aim is to be acquainted with the present state of the +American forces, their resources, and ability to continue +the war, so that if it was in consideration for new allies to +supply them with succors of any kind, the former might +be able to plan on solid grounds their operations convenient +for the common cause, and for the particular advantage +of these States, without running the risk of being +misled by false calculations for want of foresight and proper +information."</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>Pardo, March 9th, 1780.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>My answer to these questions is contained in a letter I +wrote to the Count de Florida Blanca, on the 25th of +April, 1780; the removal of the Court to Aranjues, and +his attending the King at that time at an annual chase, rendering +it useless, and perhaps improper, to endeavor to +call his attention to these matters sooner. The following +is a copy of it.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, April 25th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"Mr Carmichael has delivered to me a paper he had +the honor of receiving from your Excellency before my +arrival here, containing heads of many important inquiries +respecting which it was thought necessary, that his Catholic +Majesty should be exactly informed before entering +into a discussion with me and Mr Carmichael jointly or +separately, on the subject of the affairs of the United States +of North America, and their mutual interest with respect +to Spain; but that the Court, though desirous of information +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_231" id="Page_231">231</a></span> +on these several articles, with all possible frankness +and precision, did not mean to dive into matters which +Mr Carmichael and myself might regard as reserved to +ourselves only.</p> + +<p>"Being persuaded, that direct and accurate information +respecting the nature and extent of the commissions given +to that gentleman and myself, would be very agreeable to +your Excellency, I take the liberty of transmitting the +following copies of each.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p> +'The delegates of the United States of New Hampshire, +Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, +Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, +Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, +and Georgia, in Congress assembled, to all who +shall see these presents, Greeting.</p> + +<p>'Whereas an intercourse between the subjects of his +Catholic Majesty, and the citizens of these United States, +founded on the principles of equality, reciprocity, and +friendship, may be of mutual advantage to both nations, +and it being the sincere desire of the United States to +enter into a treaty of alliance and of amity and commerce +with his Catholic Majesty, know ye, therefore, that we, +confiding in the integrity, prudence, and ability of the +Honorable John Jay, late President of Congress, and +Chief Justice of the State of New York, have nominated +and constituted, and by these presents do nominate and +constitute him, the said John Jay, our Minister Plenipotentiary; +giving him full power general and special to act +in that quality, to confer, treat, agree, and conclude, with +the Ambassador or Plenipotentiary of his Catholic Majesty +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_232" id="Page_232">232</a></span> +vested with equal powers, of and concerning a treaty of +amity and commerce, and of alliance, and whatever shall +be so agreed and concluded for us and in our names, to +sign, and thereupon make such treaty or treaties, conventions +and agreements, as he shall judge conformable to the +ends we have in view, in as ample form, and with the +same effect, as if we were personally present and acted +therein, hereby promising in good faith, that we will accept, +ratify, fulfil, and execute whatever shall be agreed, +concluded, and signed by our said Minister Plenipotentiary, +and that we will never act, nor suffer any person to act, +contrary to the same in the whole, or in any part.</p> + +<p>'In witness whereof, we have caused these presents to +be given in Congress, at Philadelphia, the 29th day of +September, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven +hundred and seventynine, and the fourth year of the independence +of the United States of America.</p> + +<p class="indent1">'Signed by the President, and sealed with his seal.</p> + +<p class="signed_long">'SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, <i>President</i>.</p> + +<p class="indent1">'Attest, CHARLES THOMSON, <i>Secretary</i>.'</p></div> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>'The United States of America, in Congress assembled. +To the Honorable William Carmichael, a delegate in Congress +from the State of Maryland. Greeting.</p> + +<p> +'We, reposing especial trust and confidence in your +patriotism, ability, conduct, and fidelity, do, by these +presents, constitute and appoint you, during our pleasure, +Secretary to our Minister Plenipotentiary, appointed to negotiate +a treaty of amity and commerce, and of alliance +with his Catholic Majesty. You are, therefore, carefully +and diligently to discharge the duty of Secretary, by doing +and performing all things thereunto belonging, and, in case +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_233" id="Page_233">233</a></span> +of the death of our said Minister, you are to signify it to +us by the earliest opportunity, and on such event, we +authorise and direct you to take into your charge all our +public affairs, which were in the hands of said Minister at +the time of his death, or which may be addressed to him +before notice thereof, and proceed therein, according to the +instructions to our said Minister given, until our further +orders.</p> + +<p>'Witness, his Excellency, Samuel Huntington, President +of the Congress of the United States of America, at Philadelphia, +the 29th day of September, in the year of our +Lord, 1779, and in the fourth year of our independence.</p> + +<p class="signed_long">'SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, <i>President</i>.</p> + +<p class="indent1">'Attest, CHARLES THOMSON, <i>Secretary</i>.'</p> +</div> + +<p>"The inquiries in question are numerous and important. +They do honor to the sagacity which suggested them, and, +if fully answered, would produce a very interesting history +of the present condition of the American States. On some +of the subjects proposed, I can give your Excellency full +and positive intelligence; on others, only general and by +no means precise information. On all, however, I shall +write with candor.</p> + +<p>"Such is the nature of the American governments and +confederacy, that the Congress, and all other rulers of the +people, are responsible to them for their conduct, and cannot +withhold from their constituents a knowledge of their +true situation, without subjecting themselves to all the +evils, which they experience, who substitute cunning in the +place of wisdom. Hence it is, that a knowledge of their +affairs is easily attainable by all who will be at the trouble +of collecting it, and as it is neither the policy nor inclination +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_234" id="Page_234">234</a></span> +of America to draw a veil over any part of their affairs, +your Excellency may be persuaded, that every consideration +forbids their servants, by a suppression, or misrepresentation +of facts, to deceive or mislead those whose amity +they so sincerely endeavor to cultivate, as they do that +of Spain.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">I. THE CIVIL STATE OF NORTH AMERICA.</p> + +<p>"Your Excellency has with great propriety arranged +the subjects of your inquiry under two heads; the +<i>Civil</i> and <i>Military</i> States of North America. The first +of these is again branched into several subdivisions, at the +head of which, is the</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>Population of each State.</i></p> + +<p>"The exact number of inhabitants in the United States +has not, I believe, been ascertained by an actual census in +more than two or three of them. The only computation +made by Congress was on the 29th of July, 1775; the +manner and occasion of which exclude every suspicion +of its exceeding the true number. Congress had emitted +bills of credit to a very considerable amount, and were +apprised of the necessity of emitting more. Justice demanded +that this debt should be apportioned among the +States according to their respective abilities; an equitable +rule whereby to determine that ability became indispensable. +After much consideration, Congress resolved, +'that the proportion, or quota of each Colony, should be +determined according to the number of the inhabitants +of all ages (including negroes and mulattoes) in each +Colony,' but as that could not <i>then</i> be ascertained <i>exactly</i>, +they were obliged to judge of, and compute the number +from circumstantial evidence. The delegates gave to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_235" id="Page_235">235</a></span> +Congress an account of the population of their respective +Colonies, made from the best materials then in their +power, and so great was their confidence in each other, +that from those accounts that computation was principally +formed. Your Excellency will readily perceive, that the +delegates were far from being under any temptations to +exaggerate the number of their constituents; they were +not ignorant, that by such exaggerations they would increase +their portion of aids, both of men and money, and +that whatever errors they might commit, could not be rectified +by an actual numeration during the war. The computation +then formed was as follows.</p></div> + +<div class="center"> +<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" summary="Population of States"> +<tr><td class="lt">New Hampshire,</td><td class="rt">124,069</td><td class="lt">and a half</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Massachusetts Bay,</td><td class="rt">434,244</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Rhode Island,</td><td class="rt">71,959</td><td class="lt">and a half</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Connecticut,</td><td class="rt">248,139</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">New York,</td><td class="rt">248,139</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">New Jersey,</td><td class="rt">161,290</td><td class="lt">and a half</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Pennsylvania,</td><td class="rt">372,208</td><td class="lt">and a half</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Delaware,</td><td class="rt">37,219</td><td class="lt">and a half</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Maryland,</td><td class="rt">310,174</td><td class="lt">and a half</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Virginia,</td><td class="rt">496,278</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">North Carolina,</td><td class="rt">248,139</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">South Carolina,</td><td class="rt">248,139</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td class="rt">_________</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td class="rt">3,000,000</td></tr> +</table></div> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>Exclusive of the inhabitants of Georgia, who were not at +that time represented in Congress, and of whose numbers +I have no information that I can confide in.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>The Form of Government of each State.</i></p> + +<p>"In the pamphlets I have now the honor of transmitting +to your Excellency, viz. No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_236" id="Page_236">236</a></span> +and No. 5, you will find the constitutions of New York, +New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and South Carolina. +The others I have not with me. The great outlines of +them all are very similar. By the last accounts from +America, it appears that Massachusetts Bay had not as +yet agreed upon their constitution, but had it then under +consideration.</p> + +<p>"It cannot be necessary to observe to your Excellency, +that these new modes of government were formed by +persons named and authorised by the people for that express +purpose; that they were, in general, instituted with +great temper and deliberation upon such just and liberal +principles, as on the one hand to give effectual security +to civil and religious liberty, and on the other make +ample provision for the rights of justice, and the due exercise +of the necessary powers of government.</p> + +<p>"The articles of confederation agreed upon by Congress, +and approved by every State in the Union except +Maryland, provide for the general government of the Confederacy, +and the ordering of all matters essential to the +prosperity and preservation of the Union in peace and war. +I ought also to inform your Excellency, that the reasons +why Maryland has as yet withheld her assent to those +articles, do not arise from any disaffection to the common +cause, but merely from their not having adopted certain +principles respecting the disposition of certain lands.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>The Union and Resolution of the Inhabitants to continue<br /> +the War with Vigor as long as may be necessary.</i></p> + +<p>"On this subject I can give your Excellency certain and +positive information; the storm of tyranny and oppression, +which had for some years been constantly growing more +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_237" id="Page_237">237</a></span> +black and more terrible, began to burst with violence on +the people of North America in the year 1774. It was +seen and felt and deprecated by all except those, who expected +to gather spoils in the ruins it was designed to +occasion. These were those who enjoyed, or expected, +emoluments from Great Britain, together with their immediate +dependants and connexions; such as the officers +of government throughout the Colonies, but with some +very distinguished exceptions; those of the clergy of the +church of England almost without exception, who received +annual salaries from the society established in England +for Propagating the Gospel in Foreign Parts; foreign +adventurers, buyers and sellers, who, being no further +attached to the country than as it afforded the means of +gain, soon prepared to speculate in confiscations, and +courted the notice of their sovereign by intemperate zeal +for the ruin of his subjects. With these exceptions, the +great body of the people moved together, and united in +such firm and considerate measures for the common safety, +and conducted their affairs with such regularity, order, +and system, as to leave no room to suppose them to be +the work of only a prevailing party, as our enemies have +always represented and affected to consider them.</p> + +<p>"There was, it is true, another class of persons not +much less dangerous, though far more contemptible than +those I first mentioned; persons who in every revolution, +like floating weeds in every storm, obey the strongest +wind, and pass from side to side as that happens to +change. I mean the <i>neutrals</i>, a pusillanimous race, who +having balanced in their minds the advantages and disadvantages, +the gains and dangers of joining either side, are +seduced by their fears to form a thousand pretexts for +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_238" id="Page_238">238</a></span> +joining neither; who, to manifest their loyalty to their +King, when his armies were successful, gave them every +aid in their power, except drawing their swords against +their country, and who, when their countrymen prevailed, +were ready to render them all possible service, except +taking arms against their Prince.</p> + +<p>"The auxiliaries, whom the British measures and forces +found in the country, consisted of persons from these +classes. And although when these first appeared in, and +wounded the bosom of America, she was obliged to extend +her arms to repel the assaults of a foreign enemy, +yet such was the union and spirit of her inhabitants, that +she was soon enabled not only to put them under her feet, +but on the ruins of her former governments to erect new +ones in the midst of invasions from without, and treacherous +combinations from within. Being able to obtain no +other terms of peace than unconditional obedience, she +had sufficient courage to declare herself independent in +the face of one of the best appointed armies Britain could +ever boast of, as well as sufficient strength to limit its operations, +and reduce its numbers.</p> + +<p>"It may perhaps be observed, that the first object of the +war was a redress of grievances; that the present object +is <i>independence</i>; and it may be asked whether the people +are as much united with respect to the last as they were +with respect to the first.</p> + +<p>"I am certain that the people of America never were +so well united as they are at present, in that of their independence. +Exclusive of actual observation on the spot, I +think so because,</p> + +<p>"1st. The Declaration of Independence was made by +Congress at a time, when the great body of their constituents +called for it. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_239" id="Page_239">239</a></span></p> + +<p>"2dly. Because that declaration was immediately recognised +by the general assemblies and legislatures of the +several States, without exception.</p> + +<p>"3dly. Because the successful army under General Burgoyne +was defeated and captured by a great collection of +the neighboring militia, to whom he had offered peace and +tranquillity on their remaining at home, terms which it was +natural to suppose a great many of them would have accepted, +had the Declaration of Independence been disagreeable +to them.</p> + +<p>"4thly. Because the Congress, consisting of members +annually elected, have repeatedly, expressly, and unanimously +declared their determination to support it at every +hazard.</p> + +<p>"5thly. Because their internal enemies have been either +expelled or reduced, and their estates to a very great +amount in some of the States confiscated and actually +sold.</p> + +<p>"6thly. Because constitutions and forms of government +have since been instituted and completely organised, in +which the people participate, from which they have experienced +essential advantages, and to which they have of +consequence become greatly attached.</p> + +<p>"7thly. Because Congress unanimously refused to enter +into treaty with the British Commissioners on any terms +short of independence, and because every State, though +afterwards separately solicited, refused to treat otherwise +than collectively by their delegates in Congress.</p> + +<p>"8thly. Because the inhuman and very barbarous manner +in which the war has been conducted by the enemy, +has so alienated the affections of the people from the King +and government of Britain, and filled their hearts with such +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_240" id="Page_240">240</a></span> +deep rooted and just resentments, as render a cordial +reconciliation, much less a dependence on them, utterly +impossible.</p> + +<p>"9thly. Because the doctrine propagated in America by +the servants of the King of Great Britain, that no faith was +to be kept with Americans in arms against him, and the +uniformity with which they have adhered to it, in their +practice as well as professions, have destroyed all confidence, +and leave the Americans no room to doubt, but that, +should they again become subjects of the King of Britain +on certain terms, those terms would as little impede the +progress of future oppression, as the capitulation of Limerick, +in 1691, did with respect to Ireland.</p> + +<p>"10thly. Because the treaty with France, and consequently +virtue, honor, and every obligation due to the reputation +of a rising nation, whose fame is unsullied by violated +compacts, forbid it.</p> + +<p>"11thly. Because it is the evident, and well known interest +of North America to remain independent.</p> + +<p>"12thly. Because the history of mankind, from the earliest +ages, with a loud voice calls upon those who draw their +swords against a Prince, deaf to the supplication of his +people, to throw away that scabbard.</p> + +<p>"13thly. Because they do not consider the support of +their independence as difficult. The country is very defensible +and fertile; the people are all soldiers, who with +reason consider their liberty and lives as the most valuable +of the possessions left them, and which they are determined +shall neither be wrested or purchased from them but with +blood.</p> + +<p>"14thly. Because for the support of their independence, +they have expressly, by a most solemn act, pledged to each +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_241" id="Page_241">241</a></span> +other their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor; so +that their bond of union, for this very purpose, thus formed +of all the ties of common interest, common safety, mutual +affection, general resentments, and the great obligations of +virtue, honor, patriotism, and religion, may with reason be +deemed equal to the importance of that great object.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>Whether there is any powerful Party in Favor of England, +and what Consequences are to be apprehended from it? +Whether the Heads of this Party suffer themselves to be +seduced by the Promises of the British Government?</i></p> + +<p>"What has been already said, on the subject of the +union of the people in North America, will I imagine in a +great measure answer these questions.</p> + +<p>"If by a party in favor of England is meant a party for +relinquishing the independence of the United States, and +returning to the dominion of Britain, on any terms whatever, +I answer there is no such party in North America; +all the open adherents of the Crown of Great Britain having +either voluntarily quitted or been expelled from the country.</p> + +<p>"That Britain has emissaries and masked adherents in +America, industrious in their little spheres to perplex the +public measures, and disturb the public tranquillity, is a +fact of which I have not the most distant doubt, and it is +equally true, that some of these wicked men are by a few +weak ones thought to be patriots, but they cannot with +any propriety be called a party, or even a faction. The +chief mischief they do, is collecting and transmitting intelligence, +raising false reports, and spreading calumnies of +public men and measures; such characters will be found +in every country so circumstanced, and America has not +been negligent in providing laws for their punishment. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_242" id="Page_242">242</a></span></p> + +<p>"The obvious policy of the Court of London has induced +them to boast perpetually of their party in America; +but where it is? of whom composed? what it has done, or +is doing? are questions to which they constantly give evasive +answers. Much also have they said of the numbers +that have joined their arms in America. The truth is, that +at Boston, Rhode Island, New York, and Philadelphia, +they gleaned some of that refuse of mankind, to be found +and purchased by any body in all commercial cities. It is +also true, that some men of weight and influence in the +country, who joined the enemy on their first successes, did +draw away with them several of their immediate dependents, +whom they persuaded or otherwise influenced to enlist +in their service. To these may also be added the prisoners, +who at different times they forced into their service by +famine, and other severities too numerous as well as barbarous +to be here particularized. But I have no reason +to believe, that all these aids put together ever exceeded +three thousand men. This business, however, (except +with respect to prisoners,) has long been over, and before +I left America many of those deluded people had returned +and implored the pardon of their country.</p> + +<p>"In America, as in all other popular governments, your +Excellency knows there must and ever will be parties for +and against particular measures and particular men. The +enemy, adverting to this circumstance, have had address +enough to ascribe differences and temporary heats arising +from this source, in which they were not interested, to +causes much higher, and more flattering to their importance; +and this they have done with so much art, as to +have imposed in some instances on the credulity of men +high in reputation for sagacity and discernment. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_243" id="Page_243">243</a></span></p> + +<p>"If your Excellency will be pleased to peruse a pamphlet +marked No. 6, which you will find enclosed with the +other papers I herewith transmit, and entitled 'Observations +on the American Revolution,' you will perceive that +nothing is to be apprehended from this supposed party in +North America.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>A Statement of the Revenues of the States, and of their +Ability to contribute to the General Expense; whether +they will be able long to support this Burthen, and increase +it if necessary?</i></p> + +<p>"The Confederated States have no fixed revenues, nor +are such revenues necessary, because all the private property +in the country is at the public service. The only +restriction imposed by the people is, that it be taken from +them with wisdom and justice, or to be more explicit, that +the sums required be proportionate to the public exigencies, +and assessed on the individuals in proportion to their +respective abilities.</p> + +<p>"A nation can seldom be destitute of the means of continuing +a war, while they remain unsubdued in the field, +and cheerfully devote their all to that service. They may +indeed experience great distress, but no distress being +equal to that of subjection to exasperated oppressors, whose +most tender mercies are cruel, the Americans had little +difficulty in making their election.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>A Statement of the Public Debts.</i></p> + +<p>"This subject your Excellency will find fully discussed +in an address of Congress to their constituents, in which +they compute their debts, and mention the means they had +taken to preserve the public credit. It is also herewith +enclosed, and marked No. 7. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_244" id="Page_244">244</a></span></p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>A Statement of the Debts of each particular State.</i></p> + +<p>"Although exact accounts of these debts are contained +in the public printed acts of each State, yet as I neither +have any of those acts or extracts from them with me, and +my general knowledge on this hand is very imperfect, I +am deterred from giving your Excellency any information +respecting it, by the very great risk I should run of misleading +you on this point.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>The Resources to lessen these Debts.</i></p> + +<p>"Taxes; foreign and domestic loans; sales of confiscated +estates, and ungranted lands.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>The possibility of their supporting their Credit in all the +Operations of Government, in the Commerce of their +Inhabitants, and, above all, in the Protection of National +Industry.</i></p> + +<p>"As to the possibility of supporting their credit in the +cases mentioned, there is no doubt it is very <i>possible</i>. +How far it is <i>probable</i>, is a question less easy to answer. +If the taxes called for by Congress last fall be duly paid, +all will be safe. But whether they have been paid or not +I am wholly uninformed, except that I find in a public +paper that Virginia had made good her first payment. As +I daily expect to receive advices from America on this +subject, I shall postpone saying anything further on it at +present, but your Excellency may rely on my communicating +to you a full state of what intelligence I may have +respecting it.</p> + +<p>"As to supporting their credit in <i>commerce</i>, it is attended +with considerable, though not insurmountable difficulties. +They are of two kinds, the want of sufficient commodities +for remittances, and the risk of transporting them. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_245" id="Page_245">245</a></span> +North America abounds in valuable commodities, such as +fish, oil, lumber, provisions of flesh and corn, iron, tobacco, +and naval stores, peltry, indigo, potash, and other articles, +all of which have greatly diminished since the war; the +laborers formerly employed in producing them having been +often called to the field, and by other effects of the war +been prevented from regularly following their usual occupations. +Of some of these articles America still produces +more than is necessary for her own consumption, but the +risk of transporting them to Europe renders her remittances +very uncertain. The asylum, which all British armed +vessels find in the ports of Portugal, enables them to cruise +very conveniently and with great advantage off the Western +Islands, and other situations proper for annoying vessels +from thence to France, Spain, or the Mediterranean. +Hence it is that the trade from America to St Eustatia has +of late so greatly increased, it being carried on principally +in small, fast sailing vessels, that draw but little water, and +that the chief remittances to Europe have been in bills of +exchange instead of produce.</p> + +<p>"With respect to the protection of <i>national industry</i>, I +take it for granted that it will always flourish where it is +lucrative, and not discouraged, which was the case in +North America when I left it; every man being then at +liberty, by the law, to cultivate the earth as he pleased, to +raise what he pleased, to manufacture as he pleased, and +to sell the produce of his labor to whom he pleased, and +for the best prices, without any duties or impositions whatsoever. +I have indeed no apprehensions whatever on this +subject: I believe there are no people more industrious +than those of America, and whoever recurs to their population, +their former exports, and their present productions +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_246" id="Page_246">246</a></span> +amidst the horrors of fire and sword, will be convinced +of it.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>By what Means, or what Branches of Commerce, will the +States of America have it in their Power to indemnify +Spain, whenever this Power may second the Views and +Operations of the Americans?</i></p> + +<p>"America will indemnify Spain in two ways, by fighting +the enemy of Spain, and by commerce. Your Excellency +will be pleased to remark that Spain as well as America is +now at war with Britain, and therefore that it is the interest +of both to support and assist each other against the +common enemy. It cannot be a question whether Britain +will be more or less formidable if defeated or victorious in +America; and there can be no doubt but that every nation, +interested in the reduction of her power, will be compensated +for any aids they may afford America, by the immediate +application of those aids to that express purpose at +the expense of American blood.</p> + +<p>"Your Excellency's well known talents save me the +necessity of observing, that it is the interest of all Europe +to join in breaking down the exorbitant power of a nation, +which arrogantly claims the ocean as her birthright, and +considers every advantage in commerce, however acquired +by violence, or used with cruelty, as a tribute justly due to +her boasted superiority in arts and in arms.</p> + +<p>"By establishing the independence of America, the +empire of Britain will be divided, and the sinews of her +power cut. Americans, situated in another hemisphere, intent +only on the cultivation of a country more than sufficient +to satisfy their desires, will remain unconnected with +European politics, and not being interested in their objects, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_247" id="Page_247">247</a></span> +will not partake in their dissensions. Happy in having for +their neighbors a people distinguished for love of justice +and of peace, they will have nothing to fear, but may flatter +themselves that they and their posterity will long enjoy +all the blessings of that peace, liberty, and safety, for which +alone they patiently endure the calamities incident to the +cruel contest they sustain.</p> + +<p>"While the war continues, the commerce of America +will be inconsiderable; but on the restoration of peace it +will soon become very valuable and extensive. So great is +the extent of country in North America yet to be cultivated, +and so inviting to settlers, that labor will very long remain +too dear to admit of considerable manufactures. +Reason and experience tell us, that when the poor have it +in their power to gain affluence by tilling the earth, they +will refuse the scanty earnings which manufacturers may +offer them. From this circumstance it is evident, that the +exports from America will consist of raw materials, which +other nations will be able to manufacture for them at a +cheaper rate than they can themselves. To those who +consider the future and progressive population of that +country, the demands it will have for the manufactures and +productions of Europe, as well to satisfy their wants, as to +gratify their luxury, will appear immense, and far more +than any one kingdom in it can supply. Instead of paying +money for fish and many other articles as heretofore, +Spain will then have an opportunity of obtaining them in +exchange for her cloths, silks, wines, and fruits; notwithstanding +which, it is proper to observe, that the commerce +of the American States will forever procure them such +<i>actual wealth</i>, as to enable them punctually to repay whatever +sums they may borrow. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_248" id="Page_248">248</a></span></p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>How far it may be convenient for these States to furnish +Ships of War, Timber, and other Articles for the +King's Arsenals, without Delay, and, if in their Power, +on what Terms?</i></p> + +<p>"I am much at a loss to determine at present, and +therefore will by no means give your Excellency my conjectures +for intelligence.</p> + +<p>"It is certain, that in ordinary times, America can build +ships as good, and cheaper than any other people, because +the materials cost them less. The ships of war now in +her service, as to strength and construction, are not exceeded +by any on the ocean. On this subject I will write +to America for information, and give your Excellency +the earliest notice of it. Naval stores, and particularly +masts and spars, may certainly be had there, and of the +best quality, and I doubt not but that the Americans +would carry them to the Havana or New Orleans, though +I suspect, their being in a manner destitute of proper convoys +for the European trade, would render them backward +in bringing them to Spain, on terms equal to the risk +of capture, on the one hand, and the expectations of +purchasers on the other.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">II. THE MILITARY STATE OF NORTH AMERICA.</p> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>The Number and Strength of the American Troops, their +present Situation, and Ability to oppose the Enemy, +especially in Georgia and Carolina.</i></p> + +<p>"Six months have elapsed since I left America, and I had +not seen a return of the army for some time before that +period. It did not, I am certain, amount to its full complement, +and, in my opinion, did not in the whole exceed +thirty or thirtyfive thousand men; I mean regular troops. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_249" id="Page_249">249</a></span></p> + +<p>"The Commander-in-Chief, whose abilities, as well as +integrity, merit the highest confidence, was authorised to +conduct all the military operations in the United States +at his discretion, subject, nevertheless, to such orders as +the Congress might think proper from time to time to give. +It is impossible, therefore, for me (not having received a +single letter from America on these subjects since my arrival) +to decide in what manner or proportions these troops +are employed or stationed, though I am confident it has +been done in the best manner.</p> + +<p>"All the men of proper age in America are liable to do +military duty in certain cases, and with a few exceptions, +in all cases. The militia is for the most part divided +into a certain number of classes, and whenever reinforcements +to the main army, or any detachment of it are +wanting, they are supplied by these classes in rotation. +These reinforcements while in the field are subject to +the like regulations with the regular troops, and with them +submit to the severest discipline and duty. Hence it is, +that the people of America have become soldiers, and that +the enemy have never been able to make a deep impression +in the country, or long hold any considerable lodgments +at a distance from their fleets. Georgia and South +Carolina, indeed, enjoy these advantages in a less degree +than the other States, their own militia not being very +numerous, and speedy reinforcements from their neighbors +of North Carolina and Virginia rendered difficult by +the length of the way. They have, nevertheless, given +proofs of their spirit by various and great exertions, and I +have reason to believe, that all possible care has been +taken to provide for their safety, by furnishing them with a +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_250" id="Page_250">250</a></span> +proper body of troops under Major General Lincoln, a +very good officer, as well as a very good man.</p> + +<p>"Arms are still wanting in America, many of those imported +proving unfit for use, and the number of inhabitants +who were without proper arms at the beginning of the +war, calling for great supplies. The army, and a considerable +part of the militia, especially in the Northern States, +have in general good arms.</p> + +<p>"The article of clothing has been, and still is a very interesting +one to the American army. It is impossible to +describe, and, indeed, almost impossible to believe, the +hardships they have endured for want of it. There have +been instances, and I speak from the most undoubted authority, +of considerable detachments marching barefooted +over rugged tracts of ice and snow, and marking the route +they took by the blood that issued from their feet; but +neither these terrible extremities, nor the alluring offers of +the enemy, could prevail on them to quit their standard, +or relax their ardor. Their condition, however, has of +late been much bettered by supplies from France and +Spain, and American privateers; but adequate provision +has not yet been made for the ensuing winter, and I cannot +conceal from your Excellency my anxiety on that +head. A supply of clothing for twenty thousand men, +added to what is engaged for them in France, would make +that army and all America happy.</p> + +<p>"I foresee no other difficulties in providing subsistence +for the American armies in every station in which they +may be placed, than those which may attend the transportation +of it. But when I reflect on the obstacles of this +kind, which they have already met with and surmounted, +I have little uneasiness about future ones. The last crops +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_251" id="Page_251">251</a></span> +in America promised to be plentiful when I left it, but +whether there would be any and what considerable overplus +for exportation was then undetermined, the damages +done the wheat in Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina +by a fly, which infested those countries, not being to +my knowledge at that time ascertained.</p> + +<p>"How many ships of war belong to Congress, is a +question I cannot answer with certainty. I think there are +not more than ten or twelve in the whole. Of privateers +there are a great number, but how many exactly has not +been computed. In my opinion, they exceed one hundred, +several of them very fine ships. The Governor of +Martinique told me, that in that Island alone, the American +privateers had brought and sold above five thousand +African slaves, which they had taken from the enemy. +Nine tenths at least of all the rum and sugar used in North +America, these three years past, have been obtained in the +same way, and to their successes have the public been indebted +for the most seasonable and valuable supplies of +military stores which they have received. I left several +vessels on the stocks at Philadelphia, and heard of more +in other parts.</p> + +<p>"Upon the whole, his Majesty may rest perfectly assured, +that the Americans are determined, though forsaken +by all mankind, to maintain their independence, and to +part with it only with their lives; the desolations and distresses +of war being too familiar to them to excite any +other passions than indignation and resentment.</p> + +<p>"That the country will supply its inhabitants with provisions, +some clothing, and some articles of commerce.</p> + +<p>"That there is no party in America in favor of returning +under the dominion of Britain, on any terms whatever. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_252" id="Page_252">252</a></span></p> + +<p>"That the King of France is very popular in America, +being in all parts of it styled the protector of the rights of +mankind, and that they will hold the treaty made with him +inviolate.</p> + +<p>"That the people in America have very high ideas of +the honor and integrity of the Spanish nation, and of his +Catholic Majesty especially, and that this respect and +esteem unite with their interest in rendering them so desirous +of his friendship and alliance.</p> + +<p>"That the greatest difficulty under which America labors +arises from the great depreciation of her bills of +credit, owing principally to a greater sum having been +emitted than was necessary for a medium of commerce, +and to the impossibility of remedying it by taxes before +regular governments are established.</p> + +<p>"That great attempts, seconded by the general voice of +the people, have been made to retrieve the credit of those +bills by taxation, the issue of which was as yet uncertain, +but if unsuccessful, a recurrence to taxes in kind was still +left, and would be practised, though it is an expedient which +nothing but necessity can render eligible.</p> + +<p>"That if France and Spain were to unite their endeavors +to conquer Britain in America, by furnishing the latter +with the necessary aids of ammunition, clothing, and some +money, there is reason to believe, that the House of Bourbon +would find it the most certain and least expensive +method of reducing the power of their irreconcilable enemy, +and not only command the gratitude and perpetual +attachment of America, but the general approbation of all +who wish well to the tranquillity of Europe, and the +rights of mankind. Thus would that illustrious House +erect glorious and lasting monuments to their virtues in the +hearts of a whole people. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_253" id="Page_253">253</a></span></p> + +<p>"I fear your Excellency will consider the intelligence +here given, less full and precise than you expected. I regret +that it is not in my power to render it more so but it +is not. I hope however it will be thought sufficient to open +a way to those further discussions, which must precede +the measures necessary to bind America to Spain, as well +as to France, and thereby complete the division and consequently +the humiliation of the British Empire; a work +too glorious and laudable not to merit the notice of so magnanimous +a Prince as his Majesty, and engage the attention +of a Minister of such acknowledged abilities as your +Excellency.</p> + +<p>"I flatter myself that the importance of the subject will +apologise for my trespassing so long on your Excellency's +patience so soon after your return to Aranjues.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p></div> + +<p>This letter gives occasion for many observations, which +I am persuaded will not escape Congress, and therefore I +forbear repeating them. Your Excellency will be pleased +to observe, that on some of the subjects of it I ought to be +without delay apprised of the intentions of Congress, and +furnished with such information and instructions as may be +necessary to enable me to fulfil them.</p> + +<p>On the 27th of April last, I received at Madrid a +letter from the Committee of Foreign Affairs, enclosing +copies of the resolutions of Congress of the 23d +and 29th of November, 1779, for drawing on Mr Laurens +and myself for £100,000 sterling each. I went the next +day to Aranjues, and the day after wrote to the Count de +Florida Blanca, in the words following, viz. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_254" id="Page_254">254</a></span></p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Aranjues, April 29th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"By the address of Congress to their constituents on the +subject of their finances, which I had the honor of transmitting +to your Excellency, you have doubtless observed, that +in September last Congress came to a resolution of emitting +no more bills, than, with those already emitted and in +circulation, would amount to 200,000,000 of dollars; that +about the same time they called upon their constituents +to raise money by taxes, and assigned the first day of January +last for the first payment, at which day it was supposed, +that the bills to be emitted would be nearly expended.</p> + +<p>"Congress perceiving that at once to stop the great +channel of supplies, that had been open ever since the +war, and to substitute another equally productive, was not +one of those measures which operate almost insensibly +without hazard or difficulty; and well knowing that if the +first payment of these taxes should be delayed beyond the +limited time, the treasury would be without money, and the +public operations obstructed by all the evils consequent to +it; they were of opinion, that collateral and auxiliary measures +were necessary to ensure success to the great system +for retrieving and supporting the public credit. So early, +therefore, as the 23d day of November last, they took this +subject into their most serious consideration, and although +they had the highest reason to confide in the exertions of +their constituents, yet having received repeated assurances +of his Majesty's friendly disposition towards them, and +being well persuaded, that they could avail themselves of +his Majesty's friendship on an occasion more agreeable to +him and advantageous to them, than on one so interesting +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_255" id="Page_255">255</a></span> +to the United States, and important to the common cause, +they adopted a measure, which, but for these considerations, +might appear extraordinary, viz. to draw bills upon me +for £100,000 sterling, payable at six months' sight.</p> + +<p>"The drawing bills previous to notice of obtaining +money to satisfy them may at first view appear indelicate, +but when it is considered that the whole success of this +measure depended on its taking place between the 23d of +November, and the first of January last, in which period +it was impossible to make the application, his Majesty's +magnanimity will I am persuaded readily excuse it.</p> + +<p>"As I shall always consider it my duty to give your +Excellency all the information in my power, that may enable +his Majesty from time to time to form a true judgment +of the state of American affairs, it is proper, that I should +inform your Excellency, that Congress, having reasons to +believe that a loan might be obtained in Holland, did +shortly after my leaving America take measures for that +purpose, and on the 23d of November last resolved to +draw bills on Mr Henry Laurens, to whom that business +had been committed, for the sum of £100,000 sterling.</p> + +<p>"I greatly regret that it was not in my power to advise +your Excellency of these matters sooner; but it was not +until the 27th instant, at Madrid, that I received the letter +which informed me of them.</p> + +<p>"As further remarks would draw this letter into greater +length, than the opinion I have of your Excellency's +discernment will permit me to think necessary, I forbear +longer to engage your time and attention, than to request +the favor of your Excellency to lay it before his Majesty.</p> + +<p>"The eyes of America are now drawn towards him by +their opinion of his virtues, and the situation of their affairs; +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_256" id="Page_256">256</a></span> +and I flatter myself it will not be long before their +hearts and affections will also be engaged by such marks +of his Majesty's friendship, as his wisdom and liberality +may prompt, and their occasions render expedient.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to +be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p></div> + +<p>On the subject of this and my former letter, I had a +conference with the Count, on the 11th of May 1780, of +which the following are notes, taken immediately after it +ended.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">Aranjues, May 11th, 1780.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay having waited on the Count de Florida Blanca, +in consequence of a message received on the evening of +the 10th, the latter commenced the conversation by observing +that he was sorry that his ignorance of the English +language prevented him from speaking with that ease and +frankness, with which he wished to speak in his conferences +with Mr Jay, and which corresponded with his own +disposition and character.</p> + +<p>He observed that he intended to speak on two points. +The first related to the letter Mr Jay had written to him, +on the subject of bills of exchange drawn on him by Congress, +that being an affair the most pressing and more immediately +necessary to enter upon. He said that the last +year he should have found no difficulty on that head, but +that at present, although Spain had money, she was in the +situation of Tantalus, who, with water in view, could not +make use of it; alluding to the revenue arising from their +possessions in America, which they were not able to draw +from thence. That their expenses had been so great in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_257" id="Page_257">257</a></span> +the year 1779, particularly for the marine, as to oblige +them to make large loans, which they were negotiating at +present. He entered into a summary of those expenses, +and particularized the enormous expense of supporting +thirtyfive ships of the line and frigates in French ports. +He observed, that to do this they had prepared a very expensive +and numerous convoy at Ferrol and other ports of +Spain, loaded with provisions, naval stores, and every +other article necessary for the squadron before mentioned, +which convoy did not arrive at Brest until the day on +which the Spanish fleet sailed from thence. That the +supplies so sent had emptied their magazines at Cadiz, +Ferrol, and other ports, and had frequently obliged them +to buy at enormous prices the necessary stores to supply +the fleet under the admirals Cardova and Gaston, on their +arrival in the ports of Spain. That they had been forced +to sell these stores thus sent to France, and others purchased +for the same purpose at Bourdeaux, Nantes, and +elsewhere, at half price; and added, that their loss on this +occasion could scarce be calculated. This, joined to the +other expenses, and the great losses they had sustained in +their marine and commerce, but chiefly in the former, and +the great expenses they were at in consequence thereof, +rendered it difficult for the King to do for America what +he could have done easily the last year, and which he declared +repeatedly, and in the strongest manner, it was his +intention to do, as might be judged from his conduct heretofore; +touching slightly on the succors sent us from +Spain, the Havana, and Louisiana, but dwelling on his +conduct in the negotiation last year with Great Britain, in +which he would on no account be brought to sacrifice the +interests of America. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_258" id="Page_258">258</a></span></p> + +<p>Such being his Majesty's disposition and intentions previous +to the war, Mr Jay might easily judge, that he was +not less determined at present to support their interests, +whether formally connected with America by treaty or +not. That, notwithstanding the losses and misfortunes sustained, +the King's resolution, courage, and fortitude induced +him to continue the war, and therefore they were +obliged to incur much expense in order to fill their magazines +and make the necessary preparations for this campaign +and the next, yet that it was his Majesty's intention +to give America all the assistance in his power. That it +was as much his inclination as duty to second these dispositions, +and that he had received the King's orders to +confer with his colleagues thereon. He observed, however, +that, although he was First Secretary of State, he +must first confer with them on this subject; and from his +own personal inclinations to second the King's intentions +and to serve America, he was desirous of concerting with +Mr Jay measures in such a manner as would prevent him +from meeting with opposition from his colleagues, and +therefore he spoke to him not as a minister, but as an +individual.</p> + +<p>In order to facilitate this, he said it was necessary to +make some overtures for a contract, in case Mr Jay was +not absolutely empowered to make one; and then he +pointed out the object most essential to the interests of +Spain at the present conjuncture. He said that for their +marine they wanted light frigates, cutters, or swift sailing +vessels of that size. That for ships of the line, they could +procure them themselves; that if America could furnish +them with the former, they might be sent to their ports in +Biscay, loaded with tobacco or other produce, and, discharging +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_259" id="Page_259">259</a></span> +their cargoes, be left at the disposition of Spain. +He also mentioned timber for vessels, but said that was an +article not so immediately necessary, though it might be an +object of consequence in future. He observed that he +mentioned this at present in order that Mr Jay might turn +his thoughts on that subject as soon as possible, and that +he would, in order to explain himself with more precision, +send him, either on Saturday or Sunday next, notes containing +his ideas on this subject, and adding that he hoped +that the one, viz. Jay, would assist the other, meaning +himself, to manage matters in such a way as to procure +the means of obtaining for America present aid.</p> + +<p>With respect to the bills of exchange which might be +presented, he said that at the end of the present year, or +in the beginning of the next, he would have it in his power +to advance twentyfive, thirty, or forty thousand pounds +sterling, and in the mean time, should these bills be presented +for payment, he would take such measures as +would satisfy the owners of them, viz. by engaging, in the +name of his Majesty, to pay them, observing that the +King's good faith and credit were so well known, that he +did not imagine this would be a difficult matter. He also +said, that in consequence of what Mr Jay had written with +respect to clothing for the American army, it might be in +his power to send supplies of cloth, &c. which he would +endeavor to do.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay, in answer, assured him of his high sense of the +frankness and candor with which he had been so obliging +as to communicate the King's intentions and his own sentiments, +and gave him the strongest assurances that he +should, for his part, with the same frankness and candor, +give him all the assistance and information in his power to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_260" id="Page_260">260</a></span> +forward his generous intentions in favor of his country, +and that be might depend that in doing this, he would +neither deceive him in his information, nor mislead him by +ill grounded expectations.</p> + +<p>The Count then expressed his confidence in these assurances, +said he had been well informed of the characters, +both of Mr Jay and Mr Carmichael, (who was present at +the conference,) and said, that he considered them as <i>les +hommes honnêtes</i>, and that no consideration could have +prevailed upon him to have treated with men who did not +sustain that reputation.</p> + +<p>The Count then proceeded to the second point, viz. +with respect to the treaty in contemplation between Spain +and America. He began by observing, that he now spoke +as a Minister, and as such, that he would be as candid and +frank as he had just been speaking as a private man; and +that it was always his disposition to do so with those from +whom he expected the same conduct. He then proceeded +to observe, that there was but one obstacle from which he +apprehended any great difficulty in forming a treaty with +America, and plainly intimated that this arose from the +pretensions of America to the navigation of the Mississippi. +He repeated the information, which the Count had received +from M. Mirales, that Congress had at one time relinquished +that object; that he also knew from the same +source, that afterwards they had made it an essential point +of the treaty. He expressed his uneasiness on this subject, +and entered largely into the views of Spain, with respect to +the boundaries. (He mentioned Cape Antonio and Cape +——, and expressed their resolution if possible, of excluding +the English entirely from the Gulf of Mexico.) +They wished to fix them by a treaty, which he hoped +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_261" id="Page_261">261</a></span> +would be perpetual between the two countries. He spoke +amply of the King's anxiety, resolution, and firmness on +this point, and insinuated a wish that some method might +be fallen upon to remove this obstacle. He observed, that +the King had received all his impressions with respect to +the necessity of this measure, previous to his being in place, +and appeared to regard it as a point from which his Majesty +would never recede, repeating that, still however he +was disposed to give America all the aid in his power, +consistent with the situation of his affairs, to distress the +common enemy; that this point being insisted on, it would +be necessary for the Court of Spain to obtain the most accurate +knowledge of local circumstances, with which he +supposed Mr Jay and his constituents were more fully +apprised than his Majesty's Ministers could be. That for +this purpose they had already written to the Havana and +Louisiana, in order to obtain all the necessary information, +which he gave reason to believe they had not yet received. +He dwelt on the necessity of this information previous to any +treaty, and expressed his own regret, that ways and means +could not be found to obviate or overcome this impediment.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay here took an opportunity to mention, that many of +the States were bounded by that river, and were highly interested +in its navigation, but observed that they were equally +inclined to enter into any amicable regulations, which might +prevent any inconveniences with respect to contraband or +other objects, which might excite the uneasiness of Spain.</p> + +<p>The Count, still, however, appeared to be fully of opinion, +that this was an object that the King had so much at +heart, that he would never relinquish it, adding, however, +that he hoped some middle way might be hit on, which +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_262" id="Page_262">262</a></span> +would pave the way to get over this difficulty, and desired +Mr Jay to turn his thoughts and attention to the subject, in +which he assured him he was as well disposed to assist +him, as in the means of procuring the assistance and succors +for America beforementioned; always repeating the +King's favorable disposition, his inviolable regard to his +promises, &c. &c. On this subject he also subjoined, that +whenever Mr Jay chose to go to Madrid, he desired to +have previous notice of it; for in those cases, he would +leave his sentiments in writing for him with Mr Carmichael, +or, if he should also go to Madrid, that he would then write +to Mr Jay there, to which he might return an answer by +the <i>Parle</i> (a post which goes to and from Madrid) to +Aranjues, every twentyfour hours.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay expressed his full confidence in what the Count +had done him the honor to communicate to him, and assured +him of his satisfaction and happiness in having the +good fortune to transact a business so important to both +countries, with a Minister so liberal and candid in his manner +of thinking and acting.</p> + +<p>The conference ended with much civility on the one +part and on the other, and with an intimation from the +Count, that he should take an opportunity of having the +pleasure of Mr Jay's company at dinner, and of being on +that friendly footing on which he wished to be with him.</p></div> + +<p>What passed in the course of this conference needs no +comment, though it calls for information and instructions. +If Congress remains firm, as I have no reason to doubt, +respecting the Mississippi, I think Spain will finally be content +with equitable regulations, and I wish to know whether +Congress would consider any regulations necessary to prevent +contraband, as inconsistent with their ideas of free +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_263" id="Page_263">263</a></span> +navigation. I wish that as little as possible may be left to +my discretion, and that, as I am determined to adhere +strictly to their sentiments and directions, I may be favored +with them fully, and in season.</p> + +<p>The Count de Florida Blanca had upon all occasions +treated me with so much fairness, candor, and frankness, +that between the confidence due to him and the footing I +was and ought to be on with the French Ambassador, I +was embarrassed exceedingly, especially as there is little +reason to doubt of their being on confidential terms with +each other. I was reduced to the necessity, therefore, of +acting with exquisite duplicity, a conduct which I detest +as immoral, and disapprove as impolitic, or of mentioning +my difficulties to the Count, and obtaining his answers. +I preferred the latter, and wrote the following letter to the +Count de Florida Blanca.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Aranjues, May 12th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"It is with the utmost reluctance, that I can prevail upon +myself to draw your Excellency's attention from the great +objects that perpetually engage it. But the liberality, +frankness, and candor, which distinguished your conduct +towards me the last evening, has impressed me with such +sentiments of correspondent delicacy, as to place me in a +most disagreeable situation.</p> + +<p>"Deeply sensible of the benefits received by my country +from their illustrious ally, prompted by duty and inclination +to act not only with the highest integrity, but the +greatest frankness towards him and his Minister, and influenced +by the good opinion I have imbibed of the talents, +attachment, and prudence of the Count de Montmorin, I +have given him and his Court assurances that he should +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_264" id="Page_264">264</a></span> +receive from me all that confidence, which these considerations +dictate. These assurances were sincere; I have +most strictly conformed to them, and as no circumstances +of delicacy forbid it, I have communicated to him the +information I gave your Excellency relative to American +affairs, and the resolution of Congress for drawing bills +upon me, these being the only transactions within my +knowledge and department, which related to that proposed +connexion between Spain and America, for the accomplishment +of which, the King of France has been +pleased to interpose his kind offices with his Catholic +Majesty.</p> + +<p>"But, Sir, my feelings will not allow me to permit the +confidence due to one gentleman to interfere with that +which may be due to another. Honor prescribes limits to +each, which no consideration can tempt me to violate. +You spoke to me the last evening in the character of a private +gentleman, as well as of a public Minister, and in both +without reserve. Let me entreat your Excellency therefore +to inform me, whether I am to consider your conferences +with me, either in the whole or in part, as confidential. +I am apprised of the delicacy of this question. +I wish I could know your sentiments without putting it. +I assure you my esteem and respect are too sincere and +too great, not to make me regret every measure, that can +give you an uneasy sensation. On this occasion I am +urged by justice to you as well as to myself, and that must +be my apology.</p> + +<p>"Unpractised in the ways of courts, I rejoice in finding +that I am to transact the business committed to me with +a gentleman, who adorns his exalted station with virtues as +well as talents, and looks down on that system of finesse +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_265" id="Page_265">265</a></span> +and chicanery, which, however prevalent, wisdom rejects +and probity disapproves.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"With sentiments of attachment and esteem, I have the +honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> +</div> + +<p>To this I received the following answer.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_subtitle">Translation.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">"Aranjues, May 14th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"Sensible of the favorable opinion you are pleased to +entertain of my conduct, both as a minister and a private +gentleman, I have the honor to assure you, that on every +occasion, you shall experience nothing but frankness and +candor on my part. Besides that my own principles are +invariable on these points, I am certain thereby to follow +the example and good intentions of the King my master.</p> + +<p>"The delicacy, which induced you to doubt, whether +there would be any impropriety in communicating to the +Ambassador of France the explanation we had in the +course of our late conference, accords well with the idea +I first formed of your character, and I am pleased with this +mark of your attention. Besides, it appears to me that +you may do it freely, especially as those explanations are +founded on principles of equity and wisdom, for the benefit +of the common cause. But if, hereafter, circumstances +demand a more pointed reserve, by accidents we cannot +now foresee, we shall always have time to agree upon +those points, which it may be necessary to keep secret.</p> + +<p>"I am, Sir, with the most sincere attachment, and the +most perfect consideration, your most humble and most +obedient servant,</p> + +<p class="signed_long">COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA."</p> +</div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_266" id="Page_266">266</a></span></p> + +<p>I have not yet received from his Excellency the notes +mentioned in the conference, and therefore cannot have +the satisfaction of sending copies of them to Congress by +this opportunity.</p> + +<p>On the 9th of April, 1780, Sir John Dalrymple arrived +here from Portugal with his lady. On the evening of the +10th I heard of it, and the next morning sent the following +card to the French Ambassador at Aranjues, viz.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> + +<p>"Mr Jay presents his compliments to his Excellency +Count Montmorin, and informs him that Sir John Dalrymple +arrived here the day before yesterday from Lisbon, +and it is said, intends to be at Aranjues today. What +business should call this gentlemen here, or enable him to +obtain license to come, are questions which I am persuaded +will receive from your Excellency all the attention +due to their extent and importance.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>Madrid, May 11th, 1780.</i>"</p></div> + +<p>To this I immediately received the following answer on +that subject, viz.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"M. de Montmorin received this morning Mr Jay's +note, and thanks him for the information. M. de Montmorin +is fully sensible of the importance of it, and although +he is far from entertaining the least doubt on the sentiments +of the Spanish Ministry, he will not fail to take +the precaution to be informed of everything connected +with Sir John Dalrymple's arrival. He advises Mr Jay to +follow the same course. Courts are so beset with intrigues, +that nothing should be neglected, which may tend +to discover them. He repeats that he has not the slightest +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_267" id="Page_267">267</a></span> +cause to suspect the Spanish Ministry, but on the contrary, +has the strongest reasons for confiding in its integrity and +honor. M. de Montmorin begs Mr Jay to accept his +compliments, and to present his respectful homage to Mrs +Jay."</p></div> + +<p>Learning that Sir John had obtained leave to go to +France in his way to England, I apprised Mr Adams of it +in a letter of the 26th of April, 1780, of which the following +is an extrac</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p> +"Sir John Dalrymple is here; he came from Portugal +for the benefit of his lady's health, as is said. He is now +at Aranjues. He has seen the Imperial Ambassador, the +Governor of the city, Senior Compomanes, the Duke of +Alva, and several others named to him I suppose by Lord +Grantham, who I find was much respected here. He will +return through France to Britain. I shall go to Aranjues +the day after tomorrow, and shall form some judgment of +that gentleman's success by the conduct of the Court towards +America." +</p></div> + +<p>On waiting on the Count de Florida Blanca, a few days +afterwards at Aranjues, he told me that Sir John had +applied to him to obtain from him permission to go through +Spain to France, and to the French Minister for a passport +through that kingdom to England. The indisposition +of his lady was the reason assigned for not going from +Portugal by water. That in conversation, Sir John took +occasion to say several things respecting the war, and the +manner of drawing it to a conclusion. That the Count +desired him to reduce what he would wish to say on that +subject to writing, and that Sir John thereupon sent him a +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_268" id="Page_268">268</a></span> +paper, entitled "A Historical Anecdote," of which the +following is a copy.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title"><i>A Project of Lord Rochford to prevent the War.</i></p> + +<p>"Before the declaration of France in favor of America, +Lord Rochford, formerly Ambassador in Spain and in +France, formed a project to prevent the war. It was, that +England should propose a great treaty of confederation between +France, Spain, Portugal, and England, the objects +of which should be the three following; the first, a mutual +guarantee between these four powers of their possessions +in America and the two Indies, with a proviso, that +a war in Europe should never be a war in those remote +regions on any pretext whatever, fixing also the number of +troops and vessels to be furnished by the contracting powers +against the power that should contravene the peace in +those distant parts. The second object was, to grant a +participation in the commerce of America to France, +Spain, and Portugal, as far as such participation might not +be incompatible with the common interests, and without +the rivalship of English America and England. The third +object was, the adjustment of the contested privileges of +the Americans upon principles just and honorable for +them. Lord Rochford was at that time Secretary of +State. He told me, that the first person to whom he had +communicated this project was the late Prince of Mazarano, +Ambassador of Spain, and that though old and indisposed, +he arose and embraced him, and said, 'Ah! my +Lord, what divinity has inspired you?' Lord Rochford also +communicated it to a friend of his, who was then, and still +continues one of the Ministers of the King of England, +who gave it his approbation; but Lord Rochford soon +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_269" id="Page_269">269</a></span> +after quitted the Ministry and retired to the country, by +which accident the project failed of being presented to the +cabinet of the King.</p> + +<p>"I have given a relation of this anecdote, because I +am one of the four or five persons who alone know the +truth of it, and because I am of opinion, that it is not yet +too late to revive a project, which will save a million of +Christians from becoming widows and orphans. As to the +first object of such a confederacy, Lord Rochford did not +doubt of the proposition's being accepted by all the powers, +because it was the interest of all to accept it. The +losses of France in the two Indies the last war, and +their misfortunes in the East Indies in the present one, +where, in six weeks, they have lost all they possessed; +the losses of the Spaniards in the last war in the two +Indies, and even the stroke the other day in the Bay of +Honduras, by a young captain with a handful of soldiers; +the facility with which Portugal lost the Island of St +Catharine in the Brazils, and the misfortunes of the English +armies the three last years in America, all prove that +France, Spain, Portugal, and England, have their tender +parts in America and the two Indies, and of consequence, +that they have all an interest in a mutual guarantee of their +possessions in those three parts of the world.</p> + +<p>"As to the second object of the confederacy, I am sensible, +that the idea of the other three powers participating +in the commerce of America, under the limitation of its +not being incompatible with the common interests of English +America and England, is an idea somewhat vague, +and subject to disputes. But, fortunately for humanity, +there are five persons in those five countries, of characters +which render them proper to draw the outlines of some +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_270" id="Page_270">270</a></span> +determinate regulations, which will admit of no disputes, +and may enrich France, Spain, and Portugal, without impoverishing +England and her Colonies. In America there +is Doctor Franklin, perhaps the first genius of the age, +who is well acquainted with the commercial connexions +between America and England; France has her Comptroller-General, +who, from his youth, has been brought up +in the practice of commerce; in Spain, we find M. Campomanes, +who has employed the maturity of his life in +studies, that give him a superiority in discussions of this +kind; Portugal will be assisted by the counsels of the +Duke of Braganza, who has gathered knowledge in almost +every field, in courts, in libraries, and even on the exchanges +of the merchants of Europe; and as for England, +she has a Minister who, thoroughly versed in the true interests +of commerce, will not refuse to America what he +has just granted to Ireland.</p> + +<p>"As to the third object of the confederation; England, +who much boasts of her own <i>magna charta</i>, will make no +difficulty in granting a <i>magna charta</i> to the liberties of +America. Perhaps the best means to expedite this measure +would be to give a <i>carte blanche</i> to Dr Franklin. +A generous confidence is the surest means to secure a +generous man. Spain has two very solid interests in +the success of such a confederacy, and against the independence +of America. The first is, that if English America +becomes independent, Spanish America will be overrun +with the contraband of the Americans thus independent +of England. 1. England is bound by treaties with +Spain not to carry on the contraband trade. 2. She is +restrained by the fear of this contraband's drawing a war +upon her in Europe, which was the consequence of it in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_271" id="Page_271">271</a></span> +the times of Sir Robert Walpole. 3. The dearness of English +and European commodities sets natural bounds to the +quantity of this contraband. But when the Americans are +independent, they will say, first, they are not bound by +the treaties of the English; secondly, they will not be restrained +by fear, being so far from Spain, and having defended +themselves against eighty thousand English soldiers +and marines, they would but little dread the forces of Spain; +and thirdly, the low price of American commodities will +cover the Spanish Colonies with contraband. Indeed, necessity +itself will oblige the Americans either to carry on +this contraband, or to make war on Spanish and Portuguese +America and their Islands. They have neither gold +nor silver among themselves, and without these precious +metals, they can neither cultivate their lands nor carry +on commerce. They will only have four sources from +whence to draw them; first, their commerce with Europe; +secondly, pensions from France and Spain; thirdly, +a contraband trade with the Provinces of Spain and Portugal +in the new world; and fourthly, a war in these +Provinces.</p> + +<p>"While the Americans continue in a state, which the +English call rebellion, their commerce with Europe will be +interrupted by English cruisers. Thus they will draw but +a small quantity of these precious metals from this first +source. The pensions of France and Spain will be much +too inconsiderable to support the agriculture and manufactures +of so extensive a country. Their only remaining +source then for these metals will be in the contraband, or +wars with the Spanish and Portuguese Provinces. To +prevent this contraband, the treaty of confederation might +make provision against the contraband both of the English +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_272" id="Page_272">272</a></span> +and Americans. It is a delicate point for an Englishman +to suggest the means, but were the two nations sincerely +disposed for peace, I could in a quarter of an hour suggest +the infallible means.</p> + +<p>"Spain has another interest, perhaps still greater, against +the independence of the Americans, and, consequently, in +favor of the treaty in question. The Americans, who +will be able to fly with their sails wherever they please, +will make establishments in New Zealand, the Islands +of Otaheite, or some other Islands in the South Sea, +from whence they will torment the Spaniards in that sea, +and even the English, the French, the Portuguese, and +the Dutch, in the East India Seas. Being independent, +no treaty will prevent their making such establishments. +They may make them consistent with the laws of nations. +Captain Cook in his last printed voyages says, there are +fortyseven thousand seafaring people in the Island of Otaheite +alone; and Captain Wallis, who discovered those +Islands, told me at Lisbon a few days ago, that the inhabitants +of Otaheite went to the mast-head of the English +ships, and ran on the yard-arms as well in three days' +time as the English mariners, and gave me two reasons for +it. The first was, that living on fish, they are all seafaring +people; and the second, that those who wear no shoes +are always the most dexterous in mounting the upper parts +of a ship. Captain Cook also in the same voyage gives +a description of a port and city in New Zealand, which +might in a few weeks be made impregnable, and one needs +only look at the shape of the Islands in the South Seas, in +the maps we have of them, to be convinced that they have +no small number of these impregnable ports.</p> + +<p>"I show myself as much a friend to Spain, to France, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_273" id="Page_273">273</a></span> +to Portugal and Holland, as to England, in disclosing +the following idea, which may have escaped others. Heretofore +it was impossible to go to the South Seas with any +safety, but in the months of December and January, and +by the dreadful latitudes round Cape Horn. But the late +discoveries of Captain Cook and other Englishmen have +demonstrated the practicability of going thither in every +month of the year, round the Cape of Good Hope, and +the fine latitude of New Zealand, and in almost the same +time; the one being a passage of four and the other of five +months. Because the same west wind, which blows almost +the whole of the year, and retards the vessels passing +by Cape Horn, carries them with rapidity by the Cape of +Good Hope and New Zealand. Hence it follows, that +when the Americans quarrel with Spain, perhaps on the +subject of the contraband, they will send their ships on the +coast of Chili from their establishments in the South Seas, +by the latitudes of New Zealand, and with the west winds, +which always blow in that quarter. This is a voyage of +only five weeks; for Captain Cook in one voyage, and Captain +Fourneaux in another, went from New Zealand to Cape +Horn in less time, and the journal of the winds annexed to +the voyage of Captain Cook shews, that the west winds in +those latitudes bear to the east the proportion of ten to +one. When their vessels are on the coasts of Chili, they +will take the advantage of the land wind, which, blowing +constantly from south to north, will carry them along the +coasts of Chili and Peru. With this wind they will go in +fourteen days to the Bay of Panama, and in the course of +this voyage they will ravage the sea coasts, and make prizes +of all the vessels they meet. The naval force of Spain +at Lima will not have it in their power to hinder them, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_274" id="Page_274">274</a></span> +for the same south wind, which will push the Americans +forward, will prevent the fleets of Spain going to meet +them. From the Bay of Panama they will return by the +great wind of the tropics, which never fails blowing from +east to west, either to their settlements in the South Seas, +or to sell their prizes in the seas of China or India, from +whence they will perhaps again return with new vessels, +newly manned, to repeat their ravages. Their return will +either be by New Zealand in coming from the Indies, or +by the latitude of forty north in coming from China. In this +last case they will fall on Mexico, and profiting of the land +winds which always blow there from north to the Bay of +Panama, they will ravage Mexico as before they ravaged +Chili and Peru. From the Bay of Panama they will return +by the great tropic wind, either to their own homes +in the South Seas, or to the seas of Asia to renew a war, +insulting, tormenting, and without remedy.</p> + +<p>"On the other hand, when at war with England, France, +Portugal, or Holland, they will direct their course from +their establishments in the South Seas, and fall upon the +possessions of those powers in the East Indies. They will +have two great routes to go and return by; the one to the +west of New Zealand, the other by the Islands between +China and New Holland, and in this they will have as +many passages as there are Islands. Thence follows the +impossibility of waylaying their vessels, either going or on +their return. These consequences may all be prevented +by the treaty proposed by Lord Rochford, in which it +might be stipulated that these Islands shall forever belong +to their present inhabitants and their posterity, for certainly +the nation who shall first possess herself of them +will command the commerce of the South Seas and +those of Asia. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_275" id="Page_275">275</a></span></p> + +<p>"Europe, wishing for the independence of America, resembles +a man asleep on ice, and not sensible that ice +thaws, and therefore to give the greater weight to the confederation, +Holland and Denmark, who have interests in +both the new worlds, might be invited to become contracting +parties to those articles of treaty, which regard the mutual +guarantee.</p> + +<p>"The reason of the frequent breach of treaties is, that +they are made without provision for the future reciprocal +interests of the contracting nations. The only ones that I +know of, that pay attention to this object, are the treaties +between Portugal and England; by which Portugal gains a +preference for the sale of her wines in England, and England +for the sale of her cloths in Portugal. The consequence +is, that there never has, and in appearance never +will be, a war between Portugal and England. It would +not be difficult, either in the general confederation, or by +separate treaties of commerce between England on the one +part, and the three kingdoms of Spain, Portugal, and France +respectively on the other, to advance infinitely the commercial +interests of all three, by their connexions with England. +Spain having wines, oil, fruits, salt, fine wools, and some +other articles, which England has not, and England having +iron, with coal in the same fields for the manufacturing of +it, and by the moistness of her climate long wool for cloths +of a low price, also tin, fish, with some other articles, which +Spain has not, it follows, that when England is rich she +will buy more articles of Spain, and when Spain is rich she +will buy more articles of England, and consequently, that +one cannot enrich herself without enriching the other. The +same reasoning applies to the natural connexions between +England and Portugal. There is even a natural connexion +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_276" id="Page_276">276</a></span> +between England and France in many articles of commerce, +if the jealousy of fools, and misinformed persons +did not perpetually interrupt it. I have heard from certain +authority, that had the Abbé Terray continued in the +Ministry of France, there would have been a tariff between +France and England for the entry, on the most favorable +conditions, of the wines and articles of mode of the one +nation, and the manufactures of iron and wheat of the +other, and England might have procured the consent of +Portugal for the diminution of her commerce of wines with +England by other indemnifications. England in favor of +France, Spain, and Portugal, might, without injury to herself +even permit the exportation of those wools, paying a +duty at the exportation thereof. The exportation of the +superfluous wool, would be an advantage to the proprietors +of lands in England, to the King in furnishing him a +new revenue, and to those three nations, in giving them an +article necessary for their manufactures.</p> + +<p>"Unfortunately for humanity, the Abbé Terray is no +more; but happily for humanity, Dr Franklin, the Comptroller-General +of France, M. Compomanes, the Duke of +Braganza, and Lord North are all still living, and the King +of Spain, with the Count de Florida Blanca, may put all +these five in motion.</p> + +<p>"For my part I have no authority from the English Ministers +to present this project, but living in friendship with +the greater part of them, and on an intimate footing with +the others, I am certain that some of the sentiments in this +memorial correspond with their manner of thinking on the +subject. I confess I received a letter in Portugal, fourteen +days before my departure for Spain, from Lord Rochford, +who is not at present in the Ministry, but who is so taken +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_277" id="Page_277">277</a></span> +up with a project that does him so much honor, that he +has advised me to feel the pulses on the possibility of +making it succeed, and that I have a letter on the same +subject from the Duke of Braganza, who entered into the +views of my Lord Rochford not as a politician, but as a +friend to humanity.</p> + +<p>"Encouraged by such men, and still more by the dictates +of my own heart, I wrote to one of the English Ministers, +that if I did not find minds too much heated, and +there was no danger of giving offence, I intended to do +justice to the project of my Lord Rochford, in Spain and +in France, and begged him to send me an answer to Paris +whether the Ministry of England approved or disapproved +my intentions.</p> + +<p>"I have only to add, that my views being to unite, and +not to separate nations, I have no objection that the Ministers +of France and Dr Franklin should each have a copy +of this memorial."</p></div> + +<p>The Count spoke of Sir John and his anecdote very +properly, and concluded with assurances of the King's +firmness.</p> + +<p>The manner in which Sir John speaks of Dr Franklin, +however just, I impute to a design of injuring the confidence +reposed in him by his constituents.</p> + +<p>The house of Gardoqui at Bilboa are rich, in favor +with the Ministry, and friends to America. The Navy +Board have sent to them for goods for the use of the navy, +and have remitted to them only an inconsiderable part of +the sum to which they will amount, desiring the residue on +credit, and promising speedy payment. One of the House +now here spoke to me on the subject; I advised him to +complete the orders. It is of the utmost consequence that +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_278" id="Page_278">278</a></span> +the Navy Board be punctual in their remittances. American +credit is not high, and ought to be higher. I am the +more anxious on this subject, as that House is exceedingly +well disposed, and a disappointment would not only be +injurious to them, but much more so to us. Perhaps it +would be a good rule if the United States were to contract +debts only with Governments, and never with individuals +abroad.</p> + +<p>I received a letter last week from a Captain Hawkins at +Cadiz, informing me that the Americans, who had escaped +from captivity and were collected there, were fitting out a +vessel for America, which they were arming, and wished +to be enabled to act offensively and defensively in their +way home, by having a proper commission from me for +that purpose. As I had neither blank commissions nor +authority to grant them, I referred him to Dr Franklin.</p> + +<p>Congress will be pleased to consider how far it may be +proper to remove these obstacles, by sending me both. +This leads me again to remind your Excellency of several +letters I wrote you from Cadiz, respecting American seamen +coming to Spain from captivity at Gibraltar and other +places. As copies of these letters have been sent by different +vessels, I presume some of them have reached +you. It certainly is necessary that provision be made for +these people, and in a regular established manner. I am +very desirous of instructions on this subject.</p> + +<p>The credit given me by Congress on Dr Franklin is +expended, and I am without other means of obtaining supplies +than by private credit, which I am at a loss to satisfy. +To apply to, and be maintained by the Court, is, in my +opinion, too humiliating to be for the public good; and as +yet I have neither received nor heard of remittances from +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_279" id="Page_279">279</a></span> +America. It would give me pleasure to know in what +manner Congress mean I should be supplied, and whether +any measures have been taken for that purpose.</p> + +<p>I am much embarrassed for the means of conveying +and receiving intelligence. Being at a great distance from +the sea, all my letters to and from thence here must either +be conveyed by private couriers or the public post. All +my letters by the latter, whether in France or Spain, are +opened. By that conveyance, therefore, it would not always +be proper to write either to Congress, to Dr Franklin, +Mr Adams, or others, with that freedom which would +often be useful, and sometimes necessary. The salary +allowed me, so far from admitting the expense of private +couriers, is inadequate for the common purposes for which +it was given. This is a delicate subject, and I wish it was +not my duty to say anything respecting it. This place is +the dearest in Europe. The Court is never stationary, +passing part of the year in no less than five different +places, viz. Madrid, Pardo, Aranjues, St Ildefonso, and +the Escurial; hence considerable expenses arise. I forbear +enumerating particulars, my design being only to +mention this matter to Congress, not to press it upon +them. I shall always live agreeably to my circumstances; +and if, from their being too narrow, inconveniences result +to the public, they ought to be informed of it. I hope +what I have said will be viewed in this light only; so far +as I am personally interested, I am content.</p> + +<p>Mr Harrison, a gentleman of Maryland, now here, will +be the bearer of this letter to Cadiz. I therefore embrace +this good and unusual opportunity of being so minute and +explicit in it.</p> + +<p>The family of Galvez is numerous and of weight. The +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_280" id="Page_280">280</a></span> +one on the Mississippi has written favorably of the Americans +to his brothers here, three of whom are in office. It +would be well to cultivate this disposition whenever opportunities +of doing it offer.</p> + +<p>The resolution providing for Spanish prisoners at New +York was well judged.</p> + +<p>Dr Franklin is more advantageously circumstanced +than I am to gain and transmit to Congress intelligence of +the disposition of Holland and of the Northern Powers.</p> + +<p>From the conduct of their ministers here, I have no +reason to predict much to our advantage. They are cold, +and I have received nothing more than common civility +from any of them, except the Ministers of Holland and +Sweden, and indeed not much more from them. Perhaps +they have been rendered unusually cautious by an extract +of a letter from Madrid in the Leyden paper, mentioning +the precious reception Mr Carmichael met with here, and +the attentions he received from the foreign Ministers. +You have probably seen it in the <i>Courier de l'Europe</i>.</p> + +<p>From what I hear of the character of the Empress of +Russia, I cannot but think that a prudent agent there +would be very useful. They say she is sensible, proud, +and ambitious. Hence I infer that such a mark of attention +would be grateful, and consequently useful.</p> + +<p>I should have given your Excellency seasonable intelligence +of the Spanish fleet and armament, which lately +sailed from Cadiz, as I believe to the Havana, and whose +objects I suspect to be the Floridas or Jamaica, or probably +both, but I omitted writing on that subject previous to +the departure of the fleet, from a persuasion that any +letters by the post containing such advices would not be +permitted to proceed, and therefore I thought it unnecessary; +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_281" id="Page_281">281</a></span> +nor will I now swell the pages of this letter, already +very voluminous, by entering into particulars relative to it, +especially as that armament will probably have begun its +operations before this letter will come to your Excellency's +hands.</p> + +<p>The reports of dissensions in Congress, which prevailed +here prior to my arrival, and the causes to which they +were ascribed, had filled this Court with apprehensions; +and it gives me pleasure to assure you, that the present +appearance of union in Congress is attended here with +very happy effects.</p> + +<p>The people in this country are in almost total darkness +about us. Scarce any American publications have reached +them, nor are they informed of the most recent and important +events in that country. The affairs of Stony +Point, Paulus Hook, &c. &c. have never been heard of +here, except perhaps by the great officers of state, and +they could scarcely believe that the Roman Catholic +religion was even tolerated there.</p> + +<p>There are violent prejudices among them against us. +Many of them have even serious doubts of our being civilized, +and mention a strange story of a ship driven into +Virginia by distress, about thirty years ago, that was plundered +by the inhabitants, and some of the crew killed in a +manner and under circumstances which, if true, certainly +indicate barbarity. The King and Ministry are warm, yet +I have reason to believe that the bulk of the nation is +cold towards us; they appear to me to like the English, +hate the French, and to have prejudices against us.</p> + +<p>I mention these things to show in a strong light the +necessity of punctuality in sending me from time to time +all American intelligence of importance, and observing +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_282" id="Page_282">282</a></span> +such conduct towards Spaniards in general, as may tend +to impress them with more favorable sentiments of us. +There was a little uneasiness among the mercantile people +at Cadiz respecting the capture of some Spanish vessels by +privateers. I hope the former have had ample justice +done them; it certainly is of great importance that they +should have reason to be satisfied.</p> + +<p>Your Excellency may observe that I have written very +particularly. Both this Court and that of France have +very particular information respecting the proceedings of +Congress.</p> + +<p>Want of prudence, rather than virtue, I believe to be the +cause. I nevertheless think it my duty to give Congress +from time to time full information of their affairs here, and +shall not be restrained by the apprehension of any consequences, +that may result from want of secrecy there. I +make it a rule to write on these subjects only to Congress, +and to them very particularly.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><i>P. S.</i> Congress may think it extraordinary, that Mr +Carmichael's handwriting does not appear in this letter. +He is, with my approbation, now at Aranjues, and I must +do him the justice to say, that he is always ready and +willing to do his duty as Secretary.</p> + +<p class="signed">J. J.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTES:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_18" id="Footnote_18"></a><a href="#FNanchor_18"><span class="label">[18]</span></a> See above, dated January 26th, p. <a href="#Page_194">194</a>.</p> +</div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_19" id="Footnote_19"></a><a href="#FNanchor_19"><span class="label">[19]</span></a> See this letter in Arthur Lee's Correspondence, Vol. II p. 276.</p> +</div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_20" id="Footnote_20"></a><a href="#FNanchor_20"><span class="label">[20]</span></a> See above, p. <a href="#Page_195">195</a>.</p> +</div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_21" id="Footnote_21"></a><a href="#FNanchor_21"><span class="label">[21]</span></a> See above, p. <a href="#Page_199">199</a>.</p> +</div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_22" id="Footnote_22"></a><a href="#FNanchor_22"><span class="label">[22]</span></a> See p. <a href="#Page_203">203</a>.</p> +</div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_23" id="Footnote_23"></a><a href="#FNanchor_23"><span class="label">[23]</span></a> See p. <a href="#Page_210">210</a>.</p> +</div></div> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, May 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>On the 27th of last month I had the pleasure of receiving +your favor of the 11th of December, 1779, with copies +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_283" id="Page_283">283</a></span> +of the resolutions of Congress, for drawing on Mr Laurens +and myself for one hundred thousand pounds sterling each.</p> + +<p>I had the honor of writing to Congress yesterday very +fully respecting their affairs in this kingdom, and +particularly on the subject of those resolutions.</p> + +<p>I have not yet had the pleasure of hearing of Mr Lauren's +arrival, about which I am anxious. Be pleased to +assure Congress, that Mr Laurens shall receive from me +every mark of attention, and all the aid in my power to +afford. The latter I fear will not be great.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO JAMES LOVELL.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, May 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Eight days ago I had the pleasure of receiving a packet +containing journals and newspapers.</p> + +<p>From an endorsement I conjecture that I am indebted +to you for it. There was no letter enclosed in it. I am +much obliged by this attention. American intelligence is of +more importance here (where they have little of it) than +can well be imagined.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>WILLIAM CARMICHAEL TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Aranjues, May 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>Since my letter of the 25th instant, I have very strong +reason to believe, in consequence of conversations I have +had with persons who ought to be well informed, that the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_284" id="Page_284">284</a></span> +fleet and troops, which sailed from Cadiz the 28th ultimo, +are destined in the first instance to the Windward Islands, +to act in concert with the squadron of the Count de Guichen, +from thence as circumstances may render it proper +they will proceed to Jamaica or the Floridas; for it appears +to be the intention of the Spanish, as well as of the +French Court, to detach a part at least of their force in the +Islands to the continent, as soon as the hurricane season +in the West Indies renders it dangerous for them to act +against the enemy in that part of the world. I do not +mention by letter my source of information, because I do +not choose to hazard the loss of intelligence, which I may +gain from the same persons, by the miscarriage of letters. +I shall however mention it to you <i>vivâ voce</i>, in order to +enable you to judge of the credit due to my information.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">WILLIAM CARMICHAEL.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, May 28th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Since closing my letter of the 26th instant, I have +received from Mr Carmichael the interesting intelligence +contained in the enclosed paper.<a name="FNanchor_24" id="FNanchor_24" href="#Footnote_24" class="fnanchor">[24]</a> He is now here, and +has communicated to me the channel through which he +obtained it, from which I think his information deserves +belief, and his address in obtaining it credit.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_285" id="Page_285">285</a></span></p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_24" id="Footnote_24"></a><a href="#FNanchor_24"><span class="label">[24]</span></a> See the preceding letter.</p> +</div></div> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, May 28th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>In the journal of the proceedings of Congress of November, +1779, I find that on the 8th day of that month +they were pleased to come to the following resolution. +"Resolved, that the late and former Presidents of Congress +be desired to lodge, as soon as they conveniently can +in the Secretary's office, copies of all public letters by +them respectively written during their Presidentship." After +I resigned the chair, and immediately on your Excellency's +election, I delivered a book, containing copies of +the public letters I had written during my Presidentship, +to your Excellency, who promised to lodge it in the Secretary's +office, which, I am persuaded, was accordingly +done. It gives me concern therefore to find this resolution +is made to extend to me, and I flatter myself Congress +will do me the justice to let it appear, by the entry to be +made on their journals of the receipt of this letter, that I +had done that part of my duty in season, and without their +express request.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, May 30th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On the 26th instant I had the honor of writing a very +long and particular letter to your Excellency, by the way +of Cadiz, of which a duplicate has also been sent. To +the contents of that letter I have nothing new to add, except +that two of the bills directed to be drawn upon me +have arrived. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_286" id="Page_286">286</a></span></p> + +<p>I shall go tomorrow to Aranjues, from whence I shall +embrace the first opportunity of communicating to Congress +the further progress of their affairs here.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Without date.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>By vessels lately arrived from the continent, and from +St Eustatia, there appeared here some bills drawn by the +Treasurer of Loans in America on Henry Laurens, Commissioner +for the States in Amsterdam. Every body has +been surprised at it, and we in particular, as we were +directly applied to. We said at the first, that we expected +Mr Laurens would be in town very soon, begging them to +keep those bills a fortnight, and that, at all events, we +would accept them. We have seen others since more +willing to wait; but not knowing what sums may have +been drawn for already, we are in hopes to be soon released +from this anxiety by the arrival of the Minister. +As we think your Excellency may have some intelligence +about this matter, and have it in your power at the same +time to save the credit of America, if Mr Laurens by any +accident should not arrive, we beg the favor to be informed +how to conduct ourselves. In the mean time we will +do what lies in our power to prevent all noise and trouble +about them. In case Mr Laurens should not arrive, your +Excellency will have time left to make or provide for remittances, +as the bills are drawn at six months' sight.</p> + +<p class="indent1">We have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_287" id="Page_287">287</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Amsterdam, June 1st, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Craving reference to our last, we have now the honor to +propose to your Excellency on what terms we think all +difficulty on account of the absence of Henry Laurens, as +Commissioner from Congress here, may be prevented. +We have written the same to Dr Franklin in France, +offering him to accept all those bills, provided he gives us +permission to re-draw directly on him for account of Congress, +and to do it even at seven or eight months, until, by +the arrival of Mr Laurens, or in some other way, this +matter may be arranged, for there must certainly be provision +made for those bills, and the sums we do not think +will exceed two or three hundred thousand guilders before +Mr Laurens's arrival here may be known in America, and +matters are settled. We even offered those transactions +without any view of interest, as for a commission. The +importance of the business must have influence with every +one, who has any regard for the United States; and this +emboldened us even to trouble your Excellency with this +relation, not doubting but you might equally find means to +make matters easy at all events; for the terrible loss which +there would be on such bills, if protested, must be prevented, +and the honor of the credit of America must be +saved. We hope our endeavor for it may be approved of, +and have the desired end.</p> + +<p class="indent1">We have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_288" id="Page_288">288</a></span></p> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Amsterdam, June 8th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>In conformity with what we have informed you, that we +had engaged for the acceptance of some of the bills drawn +on Henry Laurens, since nothing has been heard of him +as yet, we accepted those on the first instant, and we hope +your Excellency, as well as Dr Franklin, may approve of +our proceeding, and of the method we have proposed for +our reimbursement, in case Mr Laurens may not appear, +or that they should not be provided for in time. Certain +it is that those bills should be honored for the credit of +America. At the same time, it is not in the power of a +mercantile house to stand for the whole; yet the measure +proposed may make it easy, since the sums will not be so +large but that they may be easily provided for in Spain +and France by the Plenipotentiary Ministers. And for +ourselves, we only desire to be properly empowered to +draw again for any sums we may accept. As there was +no time to get the matter previously adjusted, we will go +on, and see how our plan may be agreed to and approved +of.</p> + +<p>We have the honor to be always with the most devoted +regard, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, June 16th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The embarrassments, which the depreciation of the +currency had created in the public affairs at the time of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_289" id="Page_289">289</a></span> +your departure for Europe, were, as you may well remember, +very distressing, and have, till lately, continued to +increase. Congress, greatly anxious to avail themselves of +every possible means of checking this evil, on the 23d of +November last ventured on the expedient of drawing bills +upon you for one hundred thousand pounds sterling, as you +have been already advised by letter of December the 11th +following. This they thought they might risk, considering +the importance of the object. But as the time of your +arrival in Europe could not be counted upon with certainty, +and as the negotiation might not be immediately +practicable, and moreover, as a disappointment would be +highly injurious to the public faith, they determined to +draw the bills at six months' sight, which we hope will +allow sufficient leisure for every preparation.</p> + +<p>It will not be amiss to observe, that Congress have not +taken this measure without some circumstances of encouragement, +that a fund to satisfy the draft would not be unattainable. +Since the agreeable news of your arrival, and +to answer a purpose of great national utility, Congress, by +their resolution of the 19th instant, have directed bills to +be drawn for the additional sum of twentyfive thousand +dollars, payable at sixty days' sight. The exertions necessary +at this crisis require the command of a considerable +sum of money; but these drafts, we hope, will not be +increased till we have intelligence from you respecting +your prospects and assurances. We have the pleasure to +inform you, that from the measures, which have lately +been adopted, and with which you are made acquainted +by the journals, the finances begin to assume a better appearance, +and our public affairs in general will, we hope, +be delivered from many of the embarrassments under +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_290" id="Page_290">290</a></span> +which they have labored, but we earnestly entreat you to +push every possible exertion for procuring aids of money +from the Court of Spain, without which we are fearful the +measures of Congress fully to restore the currency and +prosecute the war with good effect will fall short of the +desired success.</p> + +<p class="indent1">We have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JAMES LOVELL,<br /> +ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON,<br /> +WILLIAM C. HOUSTON.<br /></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON, AT AMSTERDAM.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, June 18th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>Accept my thanks for your favors on the subject of the +bills drawn on Mr Laurens. The kind concern you take +in the credit and prosperity of the United States merits +their acknowledgments, and I shall take the first opportunity +of communicating to Congress your very friendly +propositions relative to the acceptance of the bills.</p> + +<p>Whether Dr Franklin is in circumstances to agree to +these propositions I know not. They certainly are very +generous and liberal, and would be attended with very +happy effects. I am persuaded, that Congress would +strain every nerve to fulfill them. I have no intelligence +whatever of Mr Laurens, and am much at a loss to conjecture +what should detain him.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_291" id="Page_291">291</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, June 25th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>Your favor of the 8th instant came to hand yesterday. +The receipt of the letters referred to in it was acknowledged +by the last post. Your plan for paying the bills +drawn on Mr Laurens is noble and generous. I heartily +wish it may succeed, and that things could be so adjusted +as that you might not be exposed to loss or inconvenience +by it. But, gentlemen, as to this matter, I have neither +instructions, nor the means of preventing the evils you +mention. If I had the money, or could procure it, I +would, without hesitation, engage to repay you punctually, +but that is not the case. That Congress will repay you +with gratitude I am certain, but whether quite so soon as +your convenience may require, is more doubtful, because +the absence of Mr Laurens is an event they did not foresee, +and consequently did not provide against. If you +could make a loan for the United States in your country, +the money might be applied for the discharge of these +bills. I am sure you would do Congress a very acceptable +service by it. I have not yet heard from Dr Franklin +on this subject. You may rely on all the aid in my +power to render, and I should be very happy if it could +be equal to the present exigency. I am not without difficulties +respecting the bills drawn upon me. If these +difficulties should cease, and I should be in a capacity to +assist you, I will immediately let you know it, but of this +there is as yet no great prospect.</p> + +<p>As a man, I admire and esteem your conduct, and as +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_292" id="Page_292">292</a></span> +an American I thank you. Be assured, therefore, that I +shall omit no opportunity of convincing you of the regard +and attachment, with which I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, July 10th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>As a late and particular letter from me to your Excellency +is now on the way to America, and as I purpose to +write again very fully by the successor of M. Mirales, I +decline saying much in this letter, which I shall send by a +circuitous and hazardous route.</p> + +<p>I have accepted bills to the amount of between eleven +and twelve thousand dollars. They arrive slowly, and I +am very glad of it. No news of Mr Laurens; I regret +his absence. I hope the terms for the sale of the bills on +me will not be lowered. Remittances have really become +necessary. Distressed American seamen cost a great deal. +The house of Le Couteulx has advanced money for them +at Cadiz.</p> + +<p>I had yesterday an application from the director of a +hospital at St Andeira, desiring to be informed whether I +would be responsible for the ordinary expenses of receiving +and curing a New England master of a vessel, who +had escaped from captivity pennyless, having one of his +legs so injured by iron fetters as to be in danger of losing +it. These are calls of humanity, and I entreat Congress +to enable me to obey them, and to establish specific regulations +for the conduct of these affairs.</p> + +<p>The surrender of Charleston is the subject of much +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_293" id="Page_293">293</a></span> +speculation, and many unfavorable conjectures. I have +received no public letters since I left America, except one +from the Committee, enclosing the resolutions for drawing +bills on me.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Amsterdam, July 13th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Never letter could have been more welcome than the +favor your Excellency honored us with of the 25th of the +past month, since it expressed a true concern about the bills drawn +on Mr Laurens, and your approbation of our conduct. +As we from the beginning acted from principle +in the American cause, and never will prevaricate, this is +only from the same motive, but we shall be sorry if we +should not be supported, and that it is out of your Excellency's +power to do it. We cannot judge how far those +drafts may go, and if we had not expected that your +Excellency, as well as Dr Franklin, would have been +willing and able to answer for a trifle, (one or two hundred +thousand guilders) in such a matter as this, it would have +been a folly to undertake it.</p> + +<p>Dr Franklin wrote to us, that people would be satisfied +to have the bills enregistered, but we found the contrary; +several of them would have them duly protested, and until +today we have again accepted them all; but how it will +go further we do not know. We were very sensible to +the hint your Excellency was pleased to give us, of making +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_294" id="Page_294">294</a></span> +a loan here. We might from time to time have got +some money in that way, if properly authorised; and our +good will and influence certainly would have brought it +further than it had been done by the House, which was +formerly intrusted with it, and we have long ago desired +a loan should be opened in our hands, but we never could +properly obtain it. A trifle of allowance, and chiefly the +largeness of the sum, which was required from us to answer +for at once, prevented it; so we did not think proper +to mention it again. We can and may work for glory, but +on a large scale we cannot sacrifice our own interest. +Every catastrophe in favor of or against America, has with +our public a great influence. So the capture of Charleston +would be very much against us at this moment for +such a purpose; and though we could not flatter ourselves +to go any length with it, a very particular circumstance +might revive the American spirit; and it would even require +some time before such a power was brought into due +terms, whereon we could engage anything.</p> + +<p>This is certain, that in a moment as critical as the present, +a small sum would save the honor of Congress, and in +that light could not be paid for too dear; which made us +think on a method, that your Excellency could employ a +banker, and likewise Dr Franklin; that we, drawing on +either of your Excellencies, if we were sure you would +approve of it, could prolong terms in all probability, and +without doubt as long as should be needful, and until the +arrival of Mr Laurens, and that by his means and instructions +proper measures could be taken.</p> + +<p>We must also expect, that Congress, (as on the first days +of May they were informed, that Mr Laurens had not +sailed,) will have been attentive to provide for those bills, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_295" id="Page_295">295</a></span> +and have considered the consequences, as we do in Europe. +We write the same idea to Dr Franklin, and propose +to him, if he should not approve of such a method, +or find a better, to empower us for a loan, as we know he +had formerly instructions thereon. We are too nice and +anxious for the credit of Congress to make any use thereof, +if it should hurt matters any way; but it is not possible +to know what may be done before a proper trial; and +we are obliged at last to speak plain, that whatever bills +now further should offer, we cannot accept any more. +We wish our proposals may not seem incongruous; we +make them with the more assurance, as we are not guided +by any other motive, than by the most extended desire to +prevent every difficulty, which could in any way affect the +reputation of the United States.</p> + +<p class="indent1">We have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Amsterdam, July 28th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Since we had the honor of writing to your Excellency, +it is but just, that we should inform you of the success of +our proceedings in the acceptance of the bills drawn on +Henry Laurens, for which Dr Franklin, by his last favor, +has engaged, offering to accept further bills, when sent to +him, until the arrival of Mr Laurens, or that some good +reason may appear for the contrary. As this will answer +the same purpose, and we think it best, that there should +not seem to be any alteration, we offer today to continue +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_296" id="Page_296">296</a></span> +our acceptance until forbid, under guarantee of our being +reimbursed in time. We are very much pleased, that the +matter is thus far settled for the honor of Congress.</p> + +<p class="indent1">We have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, July 29th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>Your favor of the 13th instant was delivered to me last +evening. I admire the generous principles, which lead +you to take so decided and friendly a part in favor of +America. I have too great confidence in the honor, justice, +and gratitude of Congress to suspect, that they will +permit you to be sufferers by your exertions in their favor. +On the contrary, I am persuaded they will entertain a +proper sense of your disinterested attachment, and with +pleasure take every opportunity of acknowledging it.</p> + +<p>Mr Laurens's absence is much to be regretted; his +endeavors, aided by your assistance, would probably have +prevented the embarrassments, which have taken place. +I have not as yet received any advices of his having sailed, +and your information of his not having left America in +May is true. By a letter from a gentleman at Cadiz of +the 21st instant I learn, that a vessel from North Carolina +had arrived in fortynine days, and left Mr Laurens there +on his way to Philadelphia. I am at a loss to account for +this, having no intelligence from America on the subject. +Perhaps his design was to sail from Philadelphia. If so, +we may still look out for him. Prudence, however, demands, +that every possible step be taken to alleviate the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_297" id="Page_297">297</a></span> +inconveniences arising from his absence. If my power +extended to this case, I should, without hesitation, authorise +you in a proper manner to make a loan in Holland, +and be much obliged to you for undertaking it. But my +instructions do not reach so far; all I can do is to advise as +an individual, and as a public servant, to represent in a +true light to Congress your benevolent efforts to preserve +their credit. If Dr Franklin has such instructions as you +suppose, and his circumstances will admit of it, I can at +present see no objections to his taking some such measures +as you propose, until Mr Laurens's arrival; but of this, he +alone can properly judge. I shall write to him on the +subject, and you may rely on my doing everything in my +power. I assure you I feel myself, as an American, so +much obliged by your generous zeal to serve my country, +that I shall be happy in being instrumental to render the +issue of it as agreeable and honorable to you, as the principles +on which you act are meritorious and noble.</p> + +<p>I flatter myself, that the unfavorable influence, which +the capture of Charleston has on the public, will be of +short duration. When they reflect, that America has +nobly sustained a six years' war, fought hard battles with +various success, and lost and regained several of their +cities, they will find it ridiculous to believe, that the fate +of the Thirteen States is involved in that of one or two +towns. The like impressions were made, when New +York, Philadelphia, and Ticonderoga fell into the enemy's +hands; and those impressions were again removed by the +battle of Trenton, the evacuation of Philadelphia, the +battle of Monmouth, the defeat and capture of General +Burgoyne and his army, and other victories on our side. +Many of these great events happened when America had +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_298" id="Page_298">298</a></span> +no ally, and when Britain had no other objects to divide +her force. It is not reasonable, therefore, to imagine, that +the power of Britain has been augmented by the accession +of two formidable enemies, or that the power of America +has been diminished in proportion as the number of her +friends increased.</p> + +<p>Depend upon it, that as the spirit of America has +always risen with the successes of her enemies they will +not, on this occasion, throw away their arms, and ingloriously +pass under the yoke of a nation whose conduct +towards her has been marked by injustice and oppression +in peace, and by malice and wanton barbarity in war.</p> + +<p>With sentiments of sincere regard and esteem, I have +the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, August 16th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>My last to you was dated July 29th, in answer to yours +of the 13th of the same month. I have since had the +pleasure to receive your favor of the 28th of July, and am +happy to hear that Dr Franklin has been able to take the +step you mention. I cannot forbear again to repeat the +sense I have of your very friendly conduct on this occasion. +I assure you I shall rejoice in every opportunity of +acknowledging the obligations you have conferred on my +country. Such disinterested acts of friendship are not +common, and ought never to be forgotten.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With sentiments of great and sincere esteem and regard, +I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_299" id="Page_299">299</a></span></p> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO SILAS DEANE.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Ildefonso, September 8th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>If I could easily be angry with an old friend, I should +be so with you. Your silence is unkind, and the more so +as you might probably have communicated things useful, +as well as entertaining. Before we parted in America, +you gave me a cypher, and I really promised myself much +from it on your arrival in Europe. I could almost wish +that the winds had blown you this way. I would give a +good deal for a day's conversation with you, but that is +impossible. A correspondence is the only substitute, and +perhaps you have detached yourself too much from public +concerns and public men to be troubled with it. I hope +this is not the case. It would be wrong to extend to a +whole nation the resentments excited by a few. Perhaps +other reasons may have induced your silence; whatever +they may be I regret them.</p> + +<p class="indent1">Adieu. I am, dear Sir, your most obedient servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Ildefonso, September 16th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>This letter and several copies of it are to be sent by the +next post to Bilboa, Cadiz, Nantes, &c. The object of it +is to inform you, that it is necessary immediately to cease +drawing bills upon me for the present.</p> + +<p>Your Excellency may soon expect a full detail of particulars; +you will then receive an answer to every question +that may be raised upon this letter. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_300" id="Page_300">300</a></span></p> + +<p>His Catholic Majesty has been pleased to offer his responsibility +to facilitate a loan of one hundred and fifty +thousand dollars for us, payable in three years, and to +promise us some clothing. This need not be kept secret. +I have written several letters to your Excellency, but have +received only one from the Committee since I left America. +It covered the resolutions respecting these bills.</p> + +<p>The Philadelphia bank, the ladies' subscriptions, and +other indications of union and public spirit, have a fine +effect here.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">In Congress, October 4th, 1780.</p> + +<p>On the report of a committee to whom were referred +certain instructions to the delegates of Virginia by their +constituents, and a letter of the 26th of May, from the +Honorable John Jay, Congress unanimously agreed to the +following instructions to the Honorable John Jay, Minister +Plenipotentiary of the United States of America, at the +Court of Madrid.</p> + +<p>That the said Minister adhere to his former instructions, +respecting the right of the United States of America +to the free navigation of the river Mississippi into +and from the sea; which right, if an express acknowledgment +of it cannot be obtained from Spain, is not +by any stipulation on the part of America to be relinquished. +To render the treaty to be concluded between +the two nations permanent, nothing can more effectually +contribute, than a proper attention, not only to the present +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_301" id="Page_301">301</a></span> +but the future reciprocal interests of the contracting +powers.</p> + +<p>The river Mississippi being the boundary of several +States in the union, and their citizens, while connected +with Great Britain, and since the revolution, having been +accustomed to the free use thereof, in common with the +subjects of Spain, and no instance of complaint or dispute +having resulted from it, there is no reason to fear, +that the future mutual use of the river by the subjects +of the two nations, actuated by friendly dispositions, will +occasion any interruption of that harmony which it is the +desire of America, as well as of Spain, should be perpetual. +That if the unlimited freedom of the navigation of +the river Mississippi, with a free port, or ports below the +31st degree of north latitude, accessible to merchant ships, +cannot be obtained from Spain, the said Minister in that +case be at liberty to enter into such equitable regulations +as may appear a necessary security against contraband; +provided the right of the United States to the free navigation +of the river be not relinquished, and a free port or +ports as above described be stipulated to them.</p> + +<p>That with respect to the boundary alluded to in his +letter of the 26th of May last, the said Minister be, and +hereby is instructed, to adhere strictly to the boundaries +of the United States as already fixed by Congress. Spain +having by the treaty of Paris ceded to Great Britain all +the country to the northeastward of the Mississippi, the +people inhabiting these States, while connected with Great +Britain, and also since the revolution, have settled themselves +at divers places to the westward near the Mississippi, +are friendly to the revolution, and being citizens +of these United States, and subject to the laws of those +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_302" id="Page_302">302</a></span> +to which they respectively belong, Congress cannot assign +them over as subjects to any other power.</p> + +<p>That the said Minister be further informed, that in case +Spain shall eventually be in possession of East and West +Florida, at the termination of the war, it is of the greatest +importance to these United States to have the use of the +waters running out of Georgia through West Florida into +the Bay of Mexico, for the purpose of navigation; and that +he be instructed to endeavor to obtain the same, subject +to such regulations as may be agreed on between the contracting +parties; and that as a compensation for this, he be +and hereby is empowered to guaranty the possession of +the said Floridas to the Crown of Spain.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, October 4th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>I have lately had the pleasure of receiving your favor of +the 7th of September. After the proofs you have given of +disinterested zeal in the cause of liberty and America, I +cannot harbor a doubt of your opposing the measures of a +Court industriously employed in attempts to destroy both.</p> + +<p>Your sentiments respecting the expediency of a connexion +between the United States and your Republic concur +with my own, and I am persuaded that those who +know and wish well to the interests of both will assiduously +promote it.</p> + +<p>As I have received no further intelligence respecting +Mr Laurens, I can add nothing on that subject. I cannot +doubt but that good reasons have detained him, though I +do not know what they are. Congress, I am sure, will +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_303" id="Page_303">303</a></span> +continue their attention to the objects of his appointment, +and will be happy in cultivating a friendly connexion with +a people whose history exhibits many instances of heroic +and glorious exertions in a cause similar to their own. +Those among you who know history, and venerate the +names and characters of their forefathers, cannot consent +to be the instruments of despotism, to deprive others of +those rights which were purchased for themselves by the +blood of their own ancestors.</p> + +<p>When or how far it may consist with the views of Congress +to make mercantile appointments in your country, I +cannot determine; should they ever become necessary, I +cannot doubt of your being remembered. The most +powerful recommendation I can give them, will be by +sending them our correspondence; and for that purpose, +copies of all the letters that have passed between us are +now preparing, and shall, together with duplicates and +triplicates, be sent by the first vessels.</p> + +<p>As to the late ordinance of Spain establishing a paper +currency, it is a subject on which I make no remarks, and +for this very good reason, that the policy and propriety of +that measure are objects without my sphere, on which I +can have no influence, and which would not be altered by +anything I might say or write about them.</p> + +<p>The Mexican dollars, mentioned in the bills drawn upon +me, I understand to be only another name for Spanish +milled dollars, which you know pass here at twenty reals +of vellon. How far the sale or payment of these may be +affected by the paper in question I know not, though I +must confess that I do not apprehend so much evil from +it as some others do. These bills will be on an equal +footing with all others drawn on Spain, and you will +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_304" id="Page_304">304</a></span> +readily suppose it not to be in my power to put them on a +better.</p> + +<p>The King of Spain has been so kind as to offer to become +responsible to a certain amount for monies which I +may borrow for Congress, payable in three years. Be so +kind as to inform me whether this could be done in your +country, on their <i>joint credit</i>, how far, and on what terms.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO JAMES LOVELL.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, October 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>Your letter of the 11th of July gave me much pleasure. +There is a degree of ease and cordiality in it, which, as +mere letters of business do not require, I am the more +obliged to you for.</p> + +<p>It is true that I might write to Congress very often, +indeed by every vessel, and there are many of them. +But how are my letters to get to the sea-side? By the +post? They would be <i>all</i> inspected, and many suppressed. +There is scarce a man in any of the ports, except +Mr Harrison at Cadiz, with whom I would trust them; so +that if, under different covers, I should get them there, the +danger would not end. To write often, and write nothing +material, would be useless; and when you see my public +letters, by this opportunity, you will perceive, that, to be +well understood, I must write a great deal.</p> + +<p>I would throw stones too, with all my heart, if I thought +they would hit only the committee, without injuring the +members of it. Till now I have received but one letter +from them, and that not worth a farthing, though it conveyed +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_305" id="Page_305">305</a></span> +a draft for one hundred thousand pounds sterling on +the bank of hope.</p> + +<p>One good private correspondent would be worth twenty +committees, made of the wisest heads in America, for the +purpose of intelligence. What with clever wives, or +pretty girls, or pleasant walks, or too tired, or too busy, or +do you do it, very little is done, much postponed, and +more neglected. If you are naturally industrious, and +love your country, you would frequently take up your pen +and your cyphers, and tell me how the wheel of politics +runs, and what measures it is from time to time turning +out. I should be better informed and Congress better +served. I now get more intelligence of your affairs from +the French Ambassador, than from all the members of +Congress put together.</p> + +<p>I had written thus far, when I received a letter from M. +Le Couteulx at Cadiz, enclosing a letter of the 16th of +September, written at St Ildefonso from me to Congress. +It had been enclosed in one to Mr Harrison, and that again +put under cover to M. Le Couteulx, and, under these two +covers, it was put into the post office. Now mark its fate. +The Director of the post office at Cadiz showed it to M. +Le Couteulx, naked and stripped of its two covers, of +which he made no mention. He said it came from Bayonne, +but M. Le Couteulx, knowing my hand writing, +paid the postage, and returned it to me. This is only one +among many instances of the fate to which my letters are +subjected. To avoid it, I must now be at the expense +of sending Colonel Livingston to the sea-side with my +despatches.</p> + +<p>When at Cadiz, I heard some of our countrymen, who +had been prisoners at Lisbon, speak handsomely of M. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_306" id="Page_306">306</a></span> +Dohrmer. They mentioned his having supplied them +with necessaries, but at the same time told me that he had +been employed for the purpose by Dr Franklin. Hence +it happened that I declined mentioning his usefulness to +Congress. I considered him as an agent of Dr Franklin, +who did his duty faithfully, and thought it would be more +proper for him to recommend his services to the notice of +Congress than for me.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, dear Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, November 6th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The last particular letter I had the honor of writing +to your Excellency was dated the 26th of May, and, with +a duplicate, was carried to Cadiz by Mr Harrison, who +sent one by the Peacock, Captain Davis, to Boston, and +the other by the General Arnold, Captain Jenkins, to +Alexandria in Virginia. They both sailed in June last, +and the former, I hear, arrived safe after a short passage.</p> + +<p>I have since written several letters to your Excellency, +but as they went to the seaports by the post, none of +them contained anything material, except one from St +Ildefonso of the 16th of September, advising Congress of +the necessity of suspending further drafts on me for the +present.</p> + +<p>Congress will recollect, that my letter of the 26th of +May contained notes of a conference I had with the Minister +on the 11th of that month, on the subjects of my two +former letters to him, the first in answer to his questions, +and the latter relative to the resolution for drawing bills +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_307" id="Page_307">307</a></span> +upon me. It may be remembered also, that, in this conference, +the Minister promised me his sentiments in writing +in a few days, as well on the subject of the proposed +treaty, as on the bills which were daily expected. The +first I have not yet received, and it was not before the 7th +of June that I was favored with the latter.</p> + +<p>In this interval there arrived here from England, by the +way of Lisbon, an Abbé Hussey. He came to Lisbon in +company with Mr Cumberland, one of Lord George Germain's +secretaries, who, with his family, purposed, on obtaining +permission, to come to Madrid. This priest was +known to many, being a pensioner of the Spanish Court, +and formerly in the late Prince Massarano's family. Indeed +he took no pains to conceal himself, or his business, +which was to obtain permission for his friend to proceed, +on account of the bad health of a daughter. Mr Carmichael +watched his motions with success and industry, and +was the first who mentioned his arrival to me. He hired +lodgings and a coach for Mr Cumberland, and visited +several persons about the Court, particularly M. del +Campo, First Secretary of the Minister.</p> + +<p>On the first of June I received a card from the Minister, +desiring to see me at nine o'clock the next evening. I +waited upon him accordingly. The following are notes of +what passed upon that occasion.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>[Notes of a Conference between his Excellency the +Count de Florida Blanca and Mr Jay, in the office of the +former at Aranjues, 2d of June, 1780, reduced to writing, +immediately after the conference ended, by Mr Carmichael, +who was present at it.]</p> + +<p>In consequence of a card received by Mr Jay yesterday, +from his Excellency the Count de Florida Blanca, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_308" id="Page_308">308</a></span> +appointing him a meeting at nine o'clock this evening, Mr +Jay waited on him at that hour. The conversation commenced +on the part of the Minister, with polite inquiries +for the state of Mr Jay's health, which, he said, had induced +him not to send the notes promised on the former +meeting, at the time when appointed, as he had been informed +that he was indisposed. He attributed to his own +frequent ill state of health (a disorder of the nerves, occasioned +by his necessary application to business) the disappointment +and delay to which, without intending it, the +business that passed through his hands was sometimes subjected. +He then said, that on Sunday following, at eleven +o'clock in the forenoon, if Mr Carmichael would wait on +him, he would send Mr Jay the notes formerly promised +him.</p> + +<p>He added that his reason for desiring to see him at +present proceeded from something mentioned to him by +the French Ambassador, of which he supposed he was informed. +He recapitulated what he had before mentioned +of the King's good faith and favorable disposition towards +America, and entered more fully into his conduct in the +negotiation with Great Britain, when the Court of Spain +proposed a truce between that country and the United +States, observing, that as the King at that period was determined +not to sacrifice our interests, it could not be supposed +that now, when at war with Great Britain, his +Majesty would be less disposed to maintain them. After +these reflections and assurances, he told Mr Jay that the +person lately from England, by the way of Portugal, was +the chaplain of their former Embassy at London; that he +had been there for some time on his private affairs, and +had at the same time instructions concerning an exchange +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_309" id="Page_309">309</a></span> +of prisoners, which their sufferings rendered expedient; +that the death of an uncle, a chaplain of the Court, had +obliged him to return; that an English gentleman and his +family had come to Lisbon with him, under the pretext, or +really on account of the ill health of a daughter, to whom +the Duke of Dorset was much attached; that the opposition +made by his friends to the marriage had affected her +health, and that this family was desirous of passing through +Spain to Italy. He added, that this gentleman was one of +Lord George Germain's secretaries, and would perhaps +have some proposals to make for an exchange of prisoners, +and possibly others of a different nature, which he +assured Mr Jay should be communicated to him as candidly +as he had communicated the extravagant scheme +presented by Sir J. Dalrymple. He desired Mr Jay, +therefore, to make himself easy on this subject, giving new +assurances of the King's strict regard to justice and good +faith, and of his disposition to assist America.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay begged him to be persuaded of the perfect +confidence of America and himself, and of their reliance +on the good faith, justice, and honor of his Catholic +Majesty; that he had no other apprehension from the circumstance +of Englishmen resorting to this Court, than +that the enemy would on this, as on former occasions, +avail themselves of it, by endeavoring to alarm and deceive +our people.</p> + +<p>The Count de Florida Blanca assured Mr Jay, that he +would shortly give him such proofs of the King's intentions, +as would enable him to prevent any bad effects +from such misrepresentations, and convince America of his +Majesty's favorable disposition and good faith. After repeating +assurances of his full confidence, Mr Jay mentioned +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_310" id="Page_310">310</a></span> +that he had received two bills of exchange, drawn +by order of Congress on him, and that he should take no +measures on that subject, as he had before the honor of +telling him, till he had consulted his Excellency. The +Count, having asked the amount, and being told that the +bills were for between six and seven hundred dollars, told +him, smiling, that he might accept them, and he hoped so +to arrange matters, as, in a short time, to make him easy +on that head. He then said, that an expedition had been +suggested to him, in which the Americans might co-operate; +but, without entering into particulars, he recollected +himself, and said he would send the project to Mr Jay +by Mr Carmichael at the same time that he should give +him the other papers. The conference ended with mutual +compliments.</p> + +<p><i>June 4th.</i> This morning the Chevalier de Burgoing, +Secretary of the French Embassy, waited on Mr Jay, and +afterwards on Mr Carmichael, and told them the Ambassador +had informed him, that the Count de Florida Blanca +had received despatches from Versailles, which demanded +his instant attention, and that, therefore, he could not see +Mr Carmichael until the 5th, at the hour mentioned in the +conference of the 2d. Mr Jay, however, having received +no direct message from the Minister, thought it proper for +Mr Carmichael to wait on him at the place and hour appointed. +Accordingly he went to the Bureau of Foreign +Affairs, and was told by order of the Minister, that he had +desired the Ambassador to acquaint Mr Jay, that he could +not see Mr Carmichael that day, but desired to see him +next Monday, at eleven.</p> + +<p><i>June 5th.</i> Mr Carmichael waited on the Minister, +agreeably to appointment, who, on his entrance, immediately +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_311" id="Page_311">311</a></span> +expressed his concern, that the arrival of a courier, +which informed him of the intentions of the Court of Great +Britain to expedite the sailing of their grand fleet, had +engaged his attention so much as to prevent him from +fulfilling his promise of sending the notes mentioned in the +former conferences, that he would certainly do it on the +Wednesday following, and desired Mr Carmichael to wait +on him that day at the same hour to receive them. He +then mentioned an expedition, which had been proposed +to him from Bilboa, to intercept the homeward bound +ships of the East India Company, by equipping some frigates +in America at the expense of his Catholic Majesty, +desiring Mr Carmichael to communicate this to Mr Jay, +that he might turn his attention to that object, to enable +him to judge of the probability of its success. He touched +slightly on the subject of bills of exchange, and on the +only difficulty of the treaty, viz. the navigation of the Mississippi, +which he said he hoped some middle means +might be hit on to obviate. He concluded by saying +that he would give his sentiments on that, and other subjects +to Mr Jay in writing at the time abovementioned, and +hoped that he would believe the delay hitherto proceeded +from no other motives than those he had mentioned. Mr +Carmichael assured him, that Mr Jay was too sensible of +the importance of his other occupations, and of his candor, +to impute the delay to any other cause, and after common +civilities he withdrew.</p> +</div> +<p>This conversation needs no comment. It promised +well. On or about the 19th of June, Mr Cumberland, his +wife, and two daughters arrived, appeared publicly, and +were openly visited and received by persons of distinction. +But although it was not difficult to know who he was, and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_312" id="Page_312">312</a></span> +with whom he associated, his business and measures continue +to this day mere objects of conjecture, further that +he or the Minister has thought proper to communicate +them.<a name="FNanchor_25" id="FNanchor_25" href="#Footnote_25" class="fnanchor">[25]</a> The impression made by his arrival on the minds +of the people is worthy of remark. They supposed his +errand to be secret overtures for peace, and as far as I can +judge were very glad of it. There is reason to believe +that he favored these conjectures from the first. He has +since said publicly, that he was authorised to offer to Spain +Gibraltar, and other advantageous terms.</p> + +<p>On the 7th of June, I received from the Minister his +notes on the subject of aids. They are in these words.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">Aranjues, June 7th, 1780.</p> + +<p>"His Catholic Majesty would be very glad to be able to +furnish, at the present crisis, funds for the payment of the one +hundred thousand pounds sterling, proposed to be addressed +to Mr Jay, in order to evince the concern which the +King takes in the prosperity and relief of the United States +of North America, as well as in the personal satisfaction +of the abovementioned gentleman. But the demands of +the present war, and the great difficulty there would be to +transport hither the treasures of the King's possessions in +that part of the world, render it impracticable to furnish here, +the said sum in specie, as could be wished. Some expedient, +however, may be found to remedy this inconvenience. +For example; if the owners of the bills of exchange +would be content with the security or responsibility of his +Catholic Majesty, to pay the sum already mentioned in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_313" id="Page_313">313</a></span> +the term of two years. The King will readily agree to +such an arrangement, even if it should be found necessary +to add a moderate interest. This security, given by such +a sovereign as the King of Spain, would induce the owners +of those bills of exchange, and the creditors of Congress +to consent to a measure so advantageous, and would +equally serve to sustain the credit and good faith of the +same body.</p> + +<p>"Mr Jay, therefore, is entreated to reflect on the idea +just stated to him, and in answer to inform us what measures +he thinks suitable to this scheme, in order that they +may be laid before the King, and his orders taken thereon. +If the expedient in question should be adopted, it will at +the same time be necessary to take measures in concert +to reimburse to the King this considerable sum, as well as +others already expended in favor of the United States. +The first idea which offers for reciprocal convenience is +that Congress should engage to build without delay some +handsome frigates and other smaller vessels of war, fixing +the price of each, and the time when they will be finished.</p> + +<p>"This point once settled, it will be proper immediately +to take measures to equip these vessels as fast as they are +ready; to point out what articles will be necessary to send +from Spain for this purpose, and in what port they will +have notice to receive them. After this it is expedient to +be informed, whether the Americans themselves will engage +to come to the ports of Bilboa, St Ander, Ferrol, +or Cadiz, for the said articles, which they will find +ready, and afterwards transport them in their own vessels +of war or letters of marque to America. On this supposition +it is conjectured, that it would be easy to find hands +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_314" id="Page_314">314</a></span> +enough in America to man these new built vessels, which +will sail under Spanish colors. There are certainly among +the subjects of the said United States many who have +made the voyage, and are acquainted with the usual route +of the ships of the English East India Company, and who +know perfectly well the ports and places at which they +stop. This fact established, it is proposed to equip in the +ports of the United States four good frigates, and some +other lighter vessels, with the effects which shall be sent +from hence on account of Spain. This small squadron, +under Spanish colors, shall be employed to intercept the +convoys of the said Company by cruising in the proper latitudes. +The measures just pointed out appear to be the +most proper to reimburse, in some shape, the expenses +already incurred by his Catholic Majesty, and to answer +for such security as has been proposed to be given in this +memoir. It being always understood, that a share of the +prizes taken from the English by this small squadron shall +be given to the crews, and even to Congress, in proportion +to the assistance which they shall furnish for the equipment +of the vessels.</p> + +<p>"A speedy and decisive answer to all the points here +enumerated is requested, and Mr Jay is too enlightened +not to perceive that the common cause is interested +therein."</p> +</div> + +<p>To this paper, which deserves much attention, I returned +the following answer.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Aranjues, June 9th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"The propositions which your Excellency did me the +honor to send on the 7th inst. have been considered with +all the attention, which their great importance demands. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_315" id="Page_315">315</a></span></p> + +<p>"The evidence they contain of his Majesty's friendly +disposition towards the United States will, I am persuaded, +make correspondent impressions on the citizens of +America; and permit me to assure you, that his Majesty's +desire of contributing to my personal satisfaction by measures +conducive to the welfare of my country, has excited +my warmest acknowledgments and attachment.</p> + +<p>"The enlarged ideas my constituents entertain of the +power, wealth, and resources of Spain, are equal to those +they have imbibed of the wisdom and probity of his +Catholic Majesty, and of that noble and generous system +of policy, which has induced him to patronize their cause, +and, by completing their separation from Great Britain, +effectually to disarm the latter. Such wise and liberal +designs, followed by such great and extensive consequences, +would add a bright page to the annals of a reign +already signalised by important events. It is, therefore, +with deep regret that Congress would receive information +that the aid they solicit, small when compared with their +ideas of the resources of Spain, has been rendered impracticable +by the expenses of a war, which, on the part +of Spain, is of a recent date. Nor will their disappointment +be less than their regret, when they find their credit +diminished by the failure of a measure, from the success +of which they expected to raise it.</p> + +<p>"The kind disposition of his Majesty to become responsible +at the expiration of two years for the amount of the +bills in question, and that even with interest, is a proof of +his goodness, by which I am confident the United States +will consider themselves greatly obliged. But when it is +considered that bills of exchange, immediately on being +drawn and sold, become a medium in commerce, and pass +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_316" id="Page_316">316</a></span> +through various hands in satisfaction of various mercantile +contracts; that the drawer and every endorser become +responsible for their credit at every transfer; and that the +object of the merchants last holding the bills, as well as of +all other merchants, is money in hand or actively employed +in trade, and not money lying still, at an interest greatly +inferior to the usual profits to be gained in commerce; I +say, on considering these things, it appears to me that, +although no objection can be made to the good faith of his +Majesty, which is acknowledged by all the world, yet that +the last holders of the bills will prefer recovering the +amount of them, with the usual damages on protests, to +delay of payment for two years with interest.</p> + +<p>"Should these bills, therefore, meet with this fate, his +Majesty will readily perceive its influence on the credit, +operations, and feelings of the United States; on the +common cause; on the hopes and spirits of the enemy. +The necessity or prudence which detains his Majesty's +treasure in his American dominions, is an unfortunate circumstance +at a time when it might be so usefully employed. +There is, nevertheless, room to hope, that the +great superiority of the allied fleets and armaments in the +American seas will, in the course of a year or eighteen +months, render its transportation safe and easy, and that +the greater part of it may arrive before the bills in question +would become payable. This will appear more probable, +when the time necessary to sell these bills, and the +time which will be consumed in their passage from America, +and the time which will be employed in their journey +from different ports of Europe to this place, are all added +to the half a year which is allotted for the payment of +them after they have been presented. I am authorised +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_317" id="Page_317">317</a></span> +and ready to engage and pledge the faith of the United +States for the punctual repayment, with interest, and +within a reasonable term, of any sums of money which +his Majesty may be so kind as to lend them.</p> + +<p>"As to the aids heretofore supplied to the United +States, I am without information relative to the precise +terms on which they were furnished, as well as their +amount. When I left Congress, they appeared to me not +to possess full and positive intelligence on these points. I +ascribe this, not to omissions in their commissioner, who +then had the direction of these affairs, but to those miscarriages +and accidents, to which the communication of +intelligence to a distant country is liable in time of war. +If it should appear proper to your Excellency, in order +that I may be furnished with an accurate and full statement +of these transactions, I will do myself the honor of +transmitting them immediately to Congress; and, as they +happened prior to my appointment, I shall request particular +instructions on the subject.</p> + +<p>"With respect to the plan proposed for the repayment +of such sums as Spain may lend to the United States, viz. +by the latter furnishing the former with frigates, &c. &c. I +beg leave to submit the following remarks to your Excellency's +consideration. In the United States there are +timber, iron, masts, shipwrights, pitch, tar, and turpentine; +and Spain can furnish the other requisites. But neither +the timber, the iron, the masts, nor the other articles, can +be procured without money. The Congress are in great +want of money for the immediate purposes of self-defence, +for the maintenance of their armies and vessels of war, +and for all the other expenses incident to military operations. +The Congress, pressed by their necessities, have +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_318" id="Page_318">318</a></span> +emitted bills of credit, till the depreciation of them forbids +further emissions. They have made loans from their great +and good ally, and, in aid of the system of gaining supplies +by taxation and domestic loans, they have, for the +reasons which I have already had the honor of explaining +to your Excellency, drawn upon me the bills before mentioned. +These bills will be sold in the United States for +paper money, and that money will be immediately wanted +for the purposes I have enumerated. If, therefore, this +money was to be turned into frigates, the obvious ends of +drawing those bills would not be attained. The war +against the United States has raged without intermission +for six years already, and it will not be in their power to +pay their debts during its further continuance, nor until the +return of peace and uninterrupted commerce shall furnish +them with the means of doing it.</p> + +<p>"That excellent frigates and other vessels may be built +in America cheaper than in Europe, I am persuaded. +And I know, that Congress will cheerfully give every aid +in their power to facilitate the execution of any plan of +that kind, which his Majesty may adopt, but, Sir, their +necessities will not permit them to supply money to those +purposes, and I should deceive your Excellency with delusive +expectations, were I to lead you to think otherwise. +I would rather, that the United States should be without +money than without good faith; and, therefore, neither my +own principles of action, nor the respect due to his Majesty +and reputation of my country, will ever suffer me (if +my authority extended so far) to enter into any contracts, +which I had not the highest reason to believe would be +fully, fairly, and punctually performed on the part of my +constituents. Nor, in case his Majesty should think proper +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_319" id="Page_319">319</a></span> +to cause frigates to be built in America, can I encourage +your Excellency to expect, that they could be easily manned +there for cruises. The fact is, that the American +frigates often find difficulties in completing their compliments, +principally because the seamen prefer going in +privateers, which are numerous, and too useful to be discouraged.</p> + +<p>"The design of preparing an armament to intercept the +English East Indiamen appears to me very judicious. +The enemy draw their resources from commerce; to annoy +the one, therefore, is to injure the other. Before the +present war, there were several, but not a great many +Americans, well acquainted with the route of the East +Indiamen. But whether any number of these men could +now be secretly collected is uncertain; for if by a particular +selection of and inquiry for them, the enemy should +become apprized of the design, they would naturally take +measures to frustrate it. For my part, I should suppose, +that many of these men are not necessary, and that the +proper number may be had from France, if not from +America.</p> + +<p>"The idea of the United States co-operating in the +execution of this plan is flattering, and the terms proposed +generous. But so far as this co-operation will depend on +the building of frigates there as proposed, it cannot be +effected from their want of money. Whether the American +frigates could be employed in such an enterprise, that +is, whether the services, for which they may be already +destined, will admit of it, are, with other similar circumstances, +necessary to be known before that question could +possibly be answered. The distance from America, and +the length of time necessary to ask for and receive information +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_320" id="Page_320">320</a></span> +and instructions from thence, are such, that it would +probably be more expedient, that engagements for these +purposes should be discussed and concluded there than +here. The circumstances of the United States, while +invaded, will be more fluctuating than those of Spain, and +measures in which they might conveniently embark at +one period, may shortly after be rendered impracticable +by the vicisitudes of war. It is further to be observed, +that a people, rising amidst such terrible struggles, with an +extensive country to defend, and that country invaded, +and, as it were, on fire in several places at once, are not in +good condition for foreign enterprises; but, on the contrary, +that it must generally be their interest, and of course +their policy, to keep their forces and strength at home, till +the expulsion of their enemies shall afford them leisure +and opportunities for distant and offensive operations.</p> + +<p>"Whenever this period shall arrive, his Majesty may be +assured, that the United States will not remain idle, but +that, impelled by resentments too deep and too just to be +transitory, as well as by unshaken attachment to their +friends, they will persevere with firmness and constancy +in the common cause, and cheerfully unite their efforts +with those of France and Spain, in compelling the common +enemy to accept of reasonable terms of peace. I can, +also, with great confidence, assure your Excellency that +the United States will be happy in every opportunity, +which may offer during the war, of joining their arms to +those of Spain, and in co-operating with them in any expeditions, +which circumstances may render expedient +against the Floridas, or other objects. The Americans +would most cheerfully fight by the side of the Spaniards, +and by spilling their blood in the same cause, and on the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_321" id="Page_321">321</a></span> +same occasion, convince them of their ardent desire to +become their faithful friends and steadfast allies.</p> + +<p>"I cannot prevail upon myself to conclude, without +expressing to your Excellency my apprehension of the +anxiety, and painful concern, with which Congress would +receive intelligence of the failure of their bills, and especially +after the expectations they have been induced to +conceive of the successful issue of their affairs here. +What conclusions the enemy would draw from the inability +of Spain to advance the sum in question, even to men +actually in arms against Great Britain, I forbear to mention, +nor would it become me to point out the several evil +consequences flowing from such an event, to those who +enjoy from nature and experience more discernment than +I am blessed with.</p> + +<p>"I still flatter myself, that some expedients may be devised +to surmount the present difficulties, and that the harvest +of laurels now ripening for his Majesty in America +will not be permitted to wither for want of watering.</p> + +<p>"Influenced by this hope, I shall delay transmitting any +intelligence respecting this matter to Congress, till your +Excellency shall be pleased to communicate to me his +Majesty's further pleasure on the subject.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>Your Excellency will doubtless observe, that this answer +does not comprehend all the objections to which the +Minister's plan is liable, such, for instance, as the proposal +that the vessels proposed to be built in America, with the +money of America, and to be navigated by Americans, +should sail under <i>Spanish colors, &c.</i> I thought it most +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_322" id="Page_322">322</a></span> +prudent to avoid taking notice of these and similar circumstances, +lest objections, which might be ascribed to pride, +as well as reason, might lose their force in that supposition, +and, instead of convincing, serve only to irritate.</p> + +<p>Nothing further passed between the Minister and myself +except a message or two respecting each other's health, +until the 19th day of June, when I sent him the following +card.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> + +<p>"Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his +Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca, and takes the +liberty of enclosing the copy of a note he has just received, +respecting a bill drawn upon him for three hundred and +thirtythree dollars. From this his Excellency will perceive +the painful situation Mr Jay is in. He forbears +making any reflections on it, being persuaded that his +Excellency's wisdom and sensibility render them unnecessary.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>Madrid, June 19th, 1780.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>On the 20th instant I received the following answer.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca will have no difficulty +in paying the bill of three hundred and thirtythree dollars +mentioned in Mr Jay's note of yesterday, both on account +of its small value, and in consequence of what he had the +honor to offer him at their last conference; but he cannot +forbear observing to Mr Jay, that it will be impossible to +show the same complaisance for other bills without consulting +the pleasure of the King.</p> + +<p>"The means hitherto proposed not having been considered +as agreeable to Congress, it has become necessary to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_323" id="Page_323">323</a></span> +seek for others, and Mr Jay will do well to think seriously +on this subject, and communicate to the Count de Florida +Blanca whatever his wisdom and information may +suggest to him."</p> +</div> + +<p>This looked dry, and indicated a degree of irritation, +though it held up the idea of further means.</p> + +<p>I replied to it on the 22d of June, as follows.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, June 22d, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I received the note your Excellency did me the honor +to write on the 20th instant, and I take the earliest opportunity +of expressing my thanks for your Excellency's permission +to accept the bills mentioned in it, which I have +accordingly done.</p> + +<p>"Agreeably to your Excellency's recommendation in +the first conference, I have turned my thoughts very seriously +to the objects which were the subjects of it, relative +to the bills drawn upon me; they were two.</p> + +<p>"1st. The means of paying these bills.</p> + +<p>"2dly. The proposed contract with America for light +vessels, &c.</p> + +<p>"With respect to the <i>first</i>, it appeared to me, that the +principal difficulty was removed by your Excellency's +informing me, '<i>that at the end of the present year, it would +be in your power to advance twentyfive, thirty, or forty +thousand pounds sterling</i>.' Hence I inferred, that as much +time would be taken up in the sale, negotiation, and transmission +of those bills, and as so long a space as six months +was assigned for their payment, after being presented, +that the sums which it would be in your Excellency's +power to advance at the end of the year, would probably +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_324" id="Page_324">324</a></span> +be equal to the amount of the bills which would then +become payable; and that in the mean time such further +means might be provided, as would obviate difficulties +with respect to those that might afterwards become due. +When I reflected that I was a stranger to the resources of +Spain, and that your Excellency's acknowledged abilities +comprehended all the objects and combinations necessary +in determining what supplies they were capable of affording, +and the manner and means most proper for the purpose, +it appeared to me in the light of presumption to +hazard to your Excellency any propositions on the subject.</p> + +<p>"2dly. On considering the proposed contract, it became +important to distinguish between the building these vessels +with the money of the United States, or with that of +Spain. The latter was very practicable, and I gave your +Excellency that opinion in my letter of the 9th instant. +The former, on the contrary, appeared to me not to be +within the power of the United States, and candor obliged +me to make this known to your Excellency in the same +letter.</p> + +<p>"I knew it to be impossible for Congress, consistent with +good faith, to contract; that, notwithstanding their great want +of money, the injuries of a six years' war, and their being +actually invaded, they would repay immediately the monies +lent them, either in ships or otherwise. It is not uncommon +for ancient and opulent nations to find it necessary to borrow +money in time of war, but I believe it very seldom happens, +that they find it convenient to pay those debts till the return +of peace. If this be the case with powerful and long +established nations, more cannot be expected from a young +nation brought forth by oppression, and rising amidst every +species of violence and devastation, which fire, sword, +and malice can furnish for their destruction. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_325" id="Page_325">325</a></span></p> + +<p>"If attentive only to obtaining payment of these bills, +and thereby relieving my country from the complicated +evils which must result from their being protested, I had +entered into the proposed engagements for immediate repayment, +by building vessels, &c. if I had done this, notwithstanding +a full conviction, that the contract so made +could not be fulfilled, my conduct, however convenient in +its immediate consequences, would have been highly reprehensible. +This reflection, therefore, will I hope convince +your Excellency of the purity of my intentions, and +induce you to ascribe my objections to the contract, to +want of ability, and not to want of inclination in the United +States to perform it. No consideration will ever prevail +upon me to practise deception, and I am happy in a persuasion, +that although truths may sometimes not please, +yet that when delivered with decency and respect, they +will never offend either his Majesty or your Excellency.</p> + +<p>"Believe me, Sir, the United States will not be able to +pay their debts during the war, and therefore any plan +whatever calculated on a contrary position must be fruitless. +I am ready to pledge their faith for repaying to his +Majesty, within a reasonable term after the war, and with +a reasonable interest, any sums he may be so kind as to +lend them. What more can I offer? What more can +they do? If there be any services they can do to his +Majesty, consistent with their safety and defence, they are +ready and will be happy to render them. They respect +the King and the nation, and at the very time they are +requesting his aid, they are soliciting to be united to him +by bonds of perpetual amity and alliance. Against his +enemies as well as their own, they are now in arms; and +the supplies they ask are not for the purpose of luxury +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_326" id="Page_326">326</a></span> +or aggrandizement, but for the sole and express purpose of +annoying those enemies, and enabling France, Spain, and +themselves, to obtain a peace honorable and advantageous +to each.</p> + +<p>"Of his Majesty's kind disposition towards them, they +had received not only professions but proofs. Hence they +became inspired not only with gratitude, but with confidence +in his friendship. Impelled by this confidence, and +a particular concurrence of exigencies already explained +to your Excellency, they drew the bills in question. The +issue of this measure will be highly critical, and followed +by a train of consequences very important and extensive. +The single circumstance of your Excellency having permitted +me to accept the first of these bills, will be considered +by our enemies as an unfortunate omen. By predicting +from it further aids, their ideas of the resources of Spain, +and the resistance of America will naturally be raised, and +their hopes of subduing the one, or reducing the power of +the other, will naturally be diminished. They will impute +these aids to a plan of the House of Bourbon, wisely +concerted and firmly persisted in, to secure themselves +and all Europe against the ambition of Britain, by completing +the division of her empire, and they will cease +to flatter themselves, that America thus aided will become +destitute of resources to carry on the war. On the other +hand, America will derive fresh vigor from this mark of +friendship, and their attachment to his Majesty become +proportionably more strong. By mutual good offices, +friendship between nations, as between individuals, is only +to be established; and it is always a happy circumstance +when it subsists between those, whom nature has placed +contiguous to each other. But your Excellency's time +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_327" id="Page_327">327</a></span> +is of too great importance to be engaged by such obvious +reflections.</p> + +<p>"Permit me, Sir, still to indulge the pleasing expectation +of being enabled to inform Congress, that his Majesty's +magnanimity and friendship have prompted him, +though inconvenient to his own affairs, to secure the credit +of their bills; and I am persuaded that the benevolence of +your Excellency's disposition will be gratified in being instrumental +in a measure, which would make such agreeable +impressions on the hearts and minds of so great a +number of steadfast friends to the Spanish monarchy.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>As this letter was, among other things, designed to establish +the expectations and encouragement given me by +the Minister, as to money, in the last conference, by obliging +him either to deny them against truth, or admit them, +at least, by his silence, I desired Mr Carmichael to deliver +it with his own hands, which he accordingly did. It still +remains unanswered.</p> + +<p>Your Excellency will be at no loss to perceive, that this +was an improper season for pushing on the treaty, and that +it would not have been prudent to have given poignancy to +the Minister's feelings for the loss of his frigates, and the +trouble of our bills, by disputes about the Mississippi, &c. +&c. I therefore did not remind him of the notes he had +promised, nor indeed say anything at all about the matter.</p> + +<p>About this time I met with a printed copy of an act of +the State of Connecticut, reciting and adopting the resolutions +of Congress of the 18th of March last, respecting +the former and new paper emissions. This was the first +advice I had of those resolutions. The promise of annual +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_328" id="Page_328">328</a></span> +interest in Europe appeared to me to be a hardy measure, +though, in my opinion, the weakest side of the plan.</p> + +<p>Finding the Minister's heart and imagination much attached +to his favorite idea of getting American frigates at +the expense of the United States, I gave him the following +hint.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, June 28th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency, +herewith enclosed, a copy of an act of the State of Connecticut, +just come to hand, in which are recited certain +resolutions of Congress, passed the 18th of March last.</p> + +<p>"These resolutions are calculated to put the American +finances on a permanent footing. They direct, among +other things, that bills be issued, redeemable in specie, +with interest, at the expiration of six years. The interest +to be paid at the redemption of the bills, or at the election +of the holder annually, at the American Loan Offices, in +sterling bills of exchange on the commissioners in Europe.</p> + +<p>"Your Excellency will perceive, that when this plan, so +well concerted, shall be fully executed, it will furnish the +United States with resources equal to all the exigencies of +the war, and probably enable them to supply his Catholic +Majesty with vessels, &c, &c.</p> + +<p>"I take the liberty, therefore, of submitting to your Excellency's +consideration, whether it would not be for the +benefit of both nations, that his Majesty, on the one hand, +should engage his responsibility for the credit of a certain +proportion of the sum so to be emitted; and that the +United States, on the other hand, should not only pledge +their faith to indemnify his Majesty, but also furnish him +with certain aids in vessels, &c. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_329" id="Page_329">329</a></span></p> + +<p>"If your Excellency should think this hint worthy of +your attention, it will be easy to improve it, and adjust the +particulars.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>This letter was accompanied with the following one, on +the subject of some more bills that had just arrived.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p> +"Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency +the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor +of informing him, that he has been called upon to accept +bills to the amount of between ten and eleven thousand +dollars; that the far greater part of them belong to +Messrs Joyce of this city, who have agreed to wait for an +answer until Monday next.</p> + +<p>"Mr Jay exceedingly regrets his being obliged to give +his Excellency so much trouble, but still flatters himself, +that, when his Excellency considers it as his duty which +imposes that necessity upon him, his goodness will excuse +it.</p> + +<p class="indent1"> <i>Madrid, June 28th, 1780.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>I ought also to add, that I had sent to the Count a representation +on the subject of a very high handed stretch of +power in the Governor of Teneriffe, towards a prize carried +there by some Americans. On the next day I received +the following answer to these three papers.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">"Aranjues, June 29th, 1780.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca has had the honor of +the three last letters, which Mr Jay has been pleased to +write him.</p> + +<p>"The first relates to a privateer detained in the Canaries. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_330" id="Page_330">330</a></span> +On this point he can say nothing until he has obtained +some further information thereon.</p> + +<p>"The second respects some new bills of exchange just +presented by Messrs Joyce, to the amount of between ten +and eleven thousand dollars. The Count can give no +positive answer hereon, without first taking the orders of +the King, his master, and having a meeting with the other +Ministers, and some of these having already gone to +Madrid, a determination cannot be immediately had, +which renders it necessary for Mr Jay to require Messrs +Joyce to wait some days longer for the answer in question.</p> + +<p>"The third contains a project of an arrangement, by +which his Majesty should oblige himself for his responsibility +for certain sums in favor of Congress, and they, on +their part, for the indemnification of the said sums at a +certain period, by furnishing some vessels, &c. Mr Jay is +therefore entreated to draw out a more clear and precise +plan on this subject, noting therein the sum to which the +responsibility of the King should extend, and on which +they may converse at their first interview.</p> + +<p>"In the meanwhile the Count has the honor of assuring +him of the sincerity of his esteem and attachment."</p> +</div> + +<p>Congress will observe, that the Minister still kept up the +idea of an interference in favor of these bills. On the 3d +of July, the Count having removed to Madrid, he wrote +me a note expressing the same idea. It is in these words</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments +to Mr Jay, and prays to be informed when the last +bills of exchange, which he mentioned the other day as +being in the hands of Messrs Joyce, and amounting to about +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_331" id="Page_331">331</a></span> +ten or eleven thousand dollars, will become payable. At +the Palace, 3d of July, 1780."</p> +</div> + +<p>Thus things were apparently in good train, when the +news of the loss of Charleston became credible. The +effect of it was as visible the next day, as that of a hard +night's frost on young leaves.</p> + +<p>I requested a conference with the Minister, and had one +on the evening of the 5th of July. The following are +notes of it.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, July 5th, 1780.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay waited on the Count de Florida Blanca agreeably +to an appointment made by the latter to meet at his +house at half past eight this evening.</p> + +<p>After the usual compliments, the bad news relative to the +surrender of Charleston, just received, became the +topic of conversation. The Count mentioned the channels +through which he had received it, viz. by an express despatched +by the Spanish Ambassador at Lisbon, in consequence +of intelligence which Governor Johnson had received +and published in that city, and by letters from the +Count d'Aranda, with the accounts printed at London of +the affair. He expressed his sorrow on the occasion, but +observed, that the Count d'Aranda flattered him, that the +arrival of the Chevalier de Ternay in that part of the +world would totally change the face of affairs, particularly +as there would be eight vessels of the line, and more than +five thousand troops instead of three thousand, and three +vessels of the line which he had been informed were demanded +by General Washington.</p> + +<p>He seemed to think it strange, that the place had not +been better defended, and that more vigorous measures +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_332" id="Page_332">332</a></span> +had not been taken to impede the enemy's progress, and +observed, that if the town was not in a condition to stand a +siege, it would have been better to have withdrawn the +troops and stores, and reserved them for the defence of +the country. Mr Jay replied, that probably when all circumstances +relative to this affair were known, there might +be reasons which would account for the conduct of the +Americans on this occasion; to the truth of which remark +the Count appeared to assent. He then mentioned +the death of M. Mirales, and regretted his loss at this +time. He said, he had recommended to his Majesty a +person to succeed him, whom we knew, that spoke English, +whom he expected soon, and to whom he would explain +his ideas on the subject of the bills, and on other matters, +touching which Mr Jay had written to him, and +who would confer also with Mr Jay on those subjects.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay mentioned, that if it was agreeable to his Excellency +to permit M. Del Campo (a confidential secretary +of the Count, who speaks English, and who translated all +the letters to and from the Count) to be present, he should be +able to explain his sentiments more fully and +clearly. Though the Count did not object to this proposal, +he appeared disinclined to it, and said, that with the +assistance of Mr Carmichael, then present, they could understand +each other very well.</p> + +<p>He then proceeded to speak of the bills of exchange in +the possession of the Messrs Joyce, and seemed to be surprised +that that House should be possessed of so many of +them. He advised Mr Jay to be cautious of those gentlemen, +saying, that they were as much English in their hearts +as the Ministry of that country; that he had known them +long, that he thought their conduct extraordinary in being +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_333" id="Page_333">333</a></span> +so urgent for the acceptance of these bills. Mr Jay then +informed his Excellency, that he had paid those gentlemen +a visit in order to obtain further time, and that they +had consented to wait until Monday next. The Count +mentioned a fortnight or three weeks as necessary, in order +that he might have an opportunity of seeing the person he +had sent for, and making some arrangements with him. +He said, that it would be more agreeable to his Majesty to +pay those bills at Cadiz, Bilboa, or Amsterdam, than +here; lamented the precipitancy with which Congress had +entered into this measure, saying, that if they had previously +addressed the King on the subject, ways and means +might have been found, either to transport from their possessions +in America specie for the service of Congress, or +to have enabled them to have drawn bills of exchange at a +shorter sight, which would have prevented the loss of one +third of the money to which Congress had subjected themselves, +by the terms on which the present bills were sold. +Mr Jay assured his Excellency, that by letters he had received +from America, from members of Congress and +others, he was informed, that the terms were judged so unfavorable +to the buyers, that the bills drawn on him sold +heavily from that circumstance solely, and not from any +doubt of their credit and payment.</p> + +<p>This did not, however, appear to convince his Excellency, +who spoke much of the deranged state of our finances +and credit; of the advantages taken of Congress by +merchants and others, who availed themselves of that circumstance, +which he called cruel extortions, frequently +expressing the King's wishes and his own to render America +all the service in their power in this crisis of their +affairs; but observed, that it was impossible to obtain +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_334" id="Page_334">334</a></span> +much money in Europe while France, England, and +Spain, were making use of every resource to obtain it for +the enormous expenses of the war, and while the channel +through which the European merchants received supplies +of specie was stopped, viz. the arrival of the usual quantity +from America. This induced him to mention the arrival +at Cadiz of three millions of piastres, all of which was on +account of the merchants, and again to dwell on what he +had before said of the possibility of transmitting specie to +the States from the Spanish possessions abroad, and of the +effect that this would have in re-establishing the credit of +our money. Mr Jay observed in reply, that if a supply of +specie could be sent to America, and his Excellency +thought that measure more convenient and advisable than +bills, the Congress would, in his opinion, readily suspend +drawing, on receiving that information; to which the Count +answered, that when the person he had sent for arrived, +this matter might be further discussed.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay then proceeded to observe, that by papers +which he had transmitted to his Excellency, he would see +that Congress had adopted a system to redeem and destroy +the former emissions, and to emit other bills to be +paid in Europe with interest in a certain term of years, +and in fully establishing this system, it would be probably +in their power, not only to sustain the credit of their +money, but to contribute, in some measure, to assist Spain +in the way proposed by his Excellency, viz. in building of +frigates, &c. &c. He added, that as his Majesty's treasure +was detained in America, and as much expense would +be incurred by the armaments employed by Spain there, +that bills on the Havana in favor of the United States +might be more convenient to Spain, and equally contribute +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_335" id="Page_335">335</a></span> +to the end proposed. The Count did not seem to disapprove +of the idea, but did not enlarge upon it. He asked +Mr Jay, if America could not furnish Spain with masts +and ship timber. Mr Jay replied, that those articles +might be obtained there. The Count then said that he +would defer further remarks on this head, till the arrival of +the person whom he expected would succeed M. Mirales, +and appeared desirous of leaving this subject, and, indeed, +all other matters relative to American affairs to be discussed +when he came.</p> + +<p>In the further course of conversation, he recurred to the +subject of the bills in question, and told Mr Jay if an immediate +acceptance of them was insisted on, that he might +accept them payable at Bilboa, but rather seemed to wish +that their acceptance might be delayed till the coming of +the abovementioned person. Mr Jay expatiated on the +impression, which the acceptance of these bills and every +other mark of friendship would make in America at this +particular crisis, and the Count, in a very feeling and +warm manner, assured him that his desire to serve the +States increased in consequence of their distresses. By +his whole conversation he endeavored to show how much +he interested himself in the prosperity of our affairs, more +than once desiring Mr Jay not to be discouraged, for that +with time and patience all would go well, expatiating on +the King's character, his religious observation of, and +adherence to his promises, and his own desire of having +Mr Jay's entire confidence. Mr Jay seized this opportunity +of assuring him of his full reliance on the King's +justice and honor, and his particular and entire confidence +in his Excellency, asserting to him that all his letters to +Congress breathed these sentiments. The Count appeared +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_336" id="Page_336">336</a></span> +much pleased with this declaration, and, seeming to speak +without reserve, hinted his hopes that the combined fleets +would soon be in condition to give the law to that of England +in the seas of Europe, repeating that measures would +be taken, on the arrival of the person expected, to provide +for the payment of the bills of exchange, and that other +arrangements would be made with the same person, which +would contribute to relieve, as much as it was in his Majesty's +power, the present distresses of America, of which +he frequently spoke very feelingly in the course of this +conversation.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay reminded his Excellency, in a delicate manner, +of the supplies of clothing, &c. &c. which had been +promised in a former conference, and said that if they +could be sent in autumn, they would be essentially useful. +The Count assured him that measures would be taken for +this purpose, with the person so often hinted at in the +course of the conference; that probably these goods +would be embarked from Bilboa, as everything was so +dear at Cadiz. He also once more told Mr Jay, that at +all events he might accept the bills presented by Messrs +Joyce, payable at Bilboa, though he appeared to wish that +this measure might be delayed for a fortnight if possible. +The conference ended with compliments and assurances +on the one part and the other, the Count endeavoring to +persuade Mr Jay of his Majesty's desire to assist the +States, and Mr Jay assuring him of his reliance on his +Excellency, and of the good effects which such proofs of +his Majesty's friendship would have in America at the +present juncture.</p> +</div> + +<p>In this conference not a single nail would drive. Everything +was to be postponed till the arrival of the person intended +to succeed M. Mirales. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_337" id="Page_337">337</a></span></p> + +<p>On the 11th of July I wrote the Count the following +note.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>"Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency +the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor +of informing him, that Don Carlos Maria Maraci of this +place has presented to him, for acceptance, bills amounting +in the whole to one thousand six hundred and sixtyfive +dollars. The Messrs Joyce consent to having their bills +payable at Bilboa, but have acquainted Mr Jay that the +name of the House there, by whom they are to be paid, +should accompany the acceptance of the bills, it being +necessary to their further negotiation.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>Madrid, July 11th, 1780.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>To this note the following answer was returned.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"In answer to the note the Count de Florida Blanca +has just received from Mr Jay, dated yesterday, he has +the honor to acquaint him, that he intends writing to +Bilboa on the subject of the bills in the hands of Messrs +Joyce, and which are to be accepted, so that it will be +necessary to wait some days to fix the House at which the +acceptance will be made.</p> + +<p>"As to the bills presented by Don Carlos Maraci to the +value of one thousand six hundred and sixtyfive dollars, +the Count recommends to Mr Jay to request, in like manner, +a delay of fifteen days for their acceptance, this time +being necessary, that the Count may have an interview +with a person not at present in Madrid.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>At the Palace, July 12th, 1780.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>I was obliged to wait with patience, and endeavor to +keep the holders of the bills from returning them, noted +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_338" id="Page_338">338</a></span> +for non-acceptance. The Count went to St Ildefonso; +the time limited for the arrival of the person expected +having expired, I wrote the Count three notes on the +subject of the bills, and in one requested his permission +for Mr Harrison of Maryland to remain at Cadiz, from +whence he was threatened to be removed in pursuance of +the King's ordinance against Irishmen. To these I received +the following answer, dated the 29th of July.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments +to Mr Jay, and acquaints him that he has duly received +his three last letters.</p> + +<p>"For the satisfaction of Mr Jay, orders shall be given +for Mr Harrison to remain at Cadiz, the general regulations +established by the King notwithstanding.</p> + +<p>"On the subject of the acceptance of the bills of exchange, +the Count can only say that he still waits for the +person in question, who has informed him that he was on +the point of setting out on his journey.</p> + +<p>"He is moreover very sensible of the attention in communicating +to him the last advices received respecting the +affair of Charleston, and persuades himself that Mr Jay +will always observe the same complaisance.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>Saturday, July 29th.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>I immediately wrote him a letter of thanks for his +civility to Mr Harrison, and nothing further passed between +us till the 11th of August, when I sent him the following +note.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>"Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency +the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_339" id="Page_339">339</a></span> +of informing him, that since the date of his last, bills to the +amount of six thousand and six hundred dollars have been +presented to him for acceptance. Mr Jay has prevailed +on the holders of these bills to wait six or eight days for +his answer, on a promise that the time for their payment, +if accepted, shall be computed from the day on which +they were presented.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>Madrid, August 11th, 1780.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>To this was written the following answer.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca has just received Mr +Jay's note of yesterday, on the subject of the new bills, +which have been presented to him. He is mortified not +to be able to return a positive answer today, respecting +the acceptance of said bills, and must repeat, that he still +waits for the person of whom mention has been made in +preceding notes.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>St Ildefonso, August 12th, 1780.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>Mrs Jay's illness, and the death of a child, detaining me +at Madrid, I requested the Count to give me notice when +it would be necessary I should wait upon him, and in the +mean time Mr Carmichael went to St Ildefonso.</p> + +<p>Congress will be pleased to remember, that in the conference +of July 5th, the Minister, speaking of the person +intended to succeed M. Mirales, said that he spoke English, +and that we knew him. I supposed, that he alluded +to one of the Gardoquis, three of whom speak English, and +I was well acquainted with one of them. But as another +of them had been heretofore employed by the Court, +it appeared most probable that he was the person meant. +They are brothers and have a strong family likeness. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_340" id="Page_340">340</a></span></p> + +<p>On the 10th, Mr Carmichael wrote me, that he had +seen the Count, and was informed by him, that the +person so long expected had not yet arrived, and when he +did he would give notice of it. On the 12th he wrote me +that a person had arrived, whom he suspected to be the +one so long expected. It seems that a person much +resembling the Gardoqui family had arrived at the same +inn where Mr Carmichael lodged, and was seen by him.</p> + +<p>The holders of the bills becoming extremely uneasy, +I wrote the Count the following reply to his last note.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, August 16th, 1780.</p> +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"The letter, which your Excellency did me the honor +to write on the 12th instant, was delivered to me yesterday.</p> + +<p>"The kind concern you are pleased to express for the +delay, which suspends my receiving a positive answer +respecting the bills, demands my acknowledgments, and +is an additional proof of that generous sensibility, which +induced your Excellency to tell me, that your friendship +for America should rise with her distresses. A sentiment +so evincive of magnanimity will be received by Congress +with all the admiration and gratitude it merits, and will not +cease to inspire me with that confidence in your Excellency, +which greatness of mind seldom fails to excite.</p> + +<p>"I ought to mention, that the holders of the bills here +begin to grow impatient, and frequently repeat their applications +to me for acceptance.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"With sentiments of great respect and regard, I have +the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>No answer. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_341" id="Page_341">341</a></span></p> + +<p>The next day I received a card from the house of +Joyce, informing me of their having received peremptory +orders to return their bills, and that they could not delay +it longer than the next post. Of this I sent a copy to the +Count without any observations.</p> + +<p>No answer.</p> + +<p>On the 18th of August, I wrote the Count the following +letter.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, August 18th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I never find myself more disagreeably circumstanced, +than when my duty constrains me to be troublesome to +those, whom I wish to afford only pleasure and satisfaction. +Such is my present situation. Monday next I perceive is +to be a critical day. Other bills besides Messrs Joyce are +then to be re-presented.</p> + +<p>"M. Gardoqui of Bilboa writes me, that he has received +bills on me for thirteen thousand three hundred and thirtyfive +dollars, with orders immediately to ship the amount +in goods to America. They will be presented tomorrow, +and he expects an answer by Monday's post. If an immediate +acceptance or refusal should be insisted on by +any one of them, a protest must ensue, and American +credit be reduced to the lowest ebb. What am I to do? +If your Excellency should direct me to accept these bills +payable at Bilboa, they will, as before, demand at what +House they are to be paid.</p> + +<p>"I must entreat your Excellency to relieve me and my +country from this painful situation, and to pardon the +trouble I am obliged to give you.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to +be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_342" id="Page_342">342</a></span></p> + +<p>"<i>P. S.</i> The enclosed contains intelligence from +America."</p> +</div> + +<p>No answer.</p> + +<p>Having first visited the holders of the bills, and obtained +further time till Monday next, on the 24th I set out +for St Ildefonso. I arrived the next day, and wrote the +Count the following letter.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"St Ildefonso, August 25th, 1780.</p> +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I arrived here this morning, but was prevented from +immediately doing myself the honor of paying my respects +to your Excellency, by fatigue and indisposition.</p> + +<p>"In a letter I had the honor of writing to your Excellency +on the 16th instant, I mentioned, that the holders of the +bills began to grow impatient. On the 18th instant, I informed +your Excellency by another letter, that their applications +to me for acceptance had become so pressing, as +that I found myself under the necessity of again requesting +your directions.</p> + +<p>"I have accepted Messrs Joyce's bills payable at Bilboa, +agreeable to your Excellency's directions on the +5th of July last, and they have agreed to wait some time +for the name of the House there, which may be employed +to pay them. The other gentlemen were induced to delay +requiring of me a decisive answer until Monday next, on +my assurances, that they should then receive one.</p> + +<p>"The inducements and reasons, which urged Congress +into this measure, are known to your Excellency, and it +would be no less unnecessary than improper to recapitulate +the consequences, which must ensue from the success +or failure of it. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_343" id="Page_343">343</a></span></p> + +<p>"I fear your Excellency thinks I am too solicitous, too +importunate. But when it is considered, that the holders +of these bills are not under my control, and that they +require an answer from me, I flatter myself that the +trouble I give your Excellency on this subject will appear +to arise from a sense of my duty, and not from the impulse +of impatience.</p> + +<p>"I sincerely congratulate your Excellency on the late +important naval success against the common enemy, and +have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>No Answer.</p> + +<p>The next morning I went to pay my respects to the +Minister, but being told he was sick, I left a card. The +French Ambassador, however, and others, had been with +him in the morning, and he rode out as usual in the afternoon.</p> + +<p>Mr Carmichael informed me, that in passing by a wicket-gate +of the King's private gardens, he had seen the person, +whom he had before seen at the inn, walking in them, and +that his servant had learned from a barber of his acquaintance, +that he dressed a gentleman who spoke English, and +lodged at M. Del Campo's. He also informed me, that +the French Ambassador had lately received a letter from +Count de la Luzerne, dated the 12th of May; that he was +present when it was opened, that it was in cypher, and that +the Ambassador said, he supposed he was impatient to +hear the news; that he afterwards expressed a desire to +see this letter, and that the Ambassador referred him for +it to the Secretary; that the Secretary gave him some +important papers, adding, that he had <i>mislaid</i> the letter. +Hence it seems, as if the Ambassador intended at first to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_344" id="Page_344">344</a></span> +communicate the letter, but that its contents on being decyphered +forbad it.</p> + +<p>It appeared to me proper to mention my embarrassments +to the French Ambassador, who had always been +friendly, and ask his advice and aid on the subject. The +next day I had a conference with him, and the following +are notes of it.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">St Ildefonso, August 27th, 1780.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay waited on the Count de Montmorin this morning +at nine o'clock, agreeably to appointment the day before. +The former commenced the conversation by observing, +that in his first conferences with the Minister of +Spain, at Aranjues, the Minister divided the subject into +two parts, and spoke largely on that of the bills drawn on +Mr Jay, and on the treaty proposed to be entered into +between Spain and America. Mr Jay recapitulated the +Minister's assurances relative to the former, and informed +the Ambassador, that the result of this conference was a +promise of the Minister to send him written notes on <i>both</i> +points, a few days afterwards. That with respect to the +notes relative to the treaty, Mr Jay had not received them +as yet. That on the other point, he had received notes, +which, as well as his answer, he had shown to the +Ambassador. That on the 5th of July he had another conference +with the Minister at Madrid, in which he had endeavored +to turn the conversation to the several objects +of his business and mission here, but that the Minister +postponed the discussion of them, until a person for whom +he had sent, with a view to succeed M. Mirales, should +arrive, when all the necessary arrangements should be +made. He indeed told Mr Jay, that if the Messrs Joyce +were pressing, he might accept their bills, payable at Bilboa, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_345" id="Page_345">345</a></span> +and throughout the whole conference, had given Mr +Jay warm and repeated assurances, not only of the King's +good faith and friendly disposition towards America, but +of his own personal attachment to her interest, on both +of which, as well as in his candor and promises, he desired +him to place the greatest reliance.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay proceeded further to inform the Ambassador, +that being exceedingly pressed by Messrs Joyce and +others, holders of the bills, for a decisive answer, which +they had required to have on the Monday last past, he had +signified the same to the Minister by three letters, requesting +his directions, to none of which he received any answers. +That he had accepted Messrs Joyce's bills, payable, +as directed, by the Minister, and had prevailed on the +other to wait until Monday next. That on his arrival here +on Friday he wrote another letter to the Minister on the +same subject, and the next day called at his house to pay his +respects, but not being able to see him had left a card; that +being thus circumstanced he was under the necessity of +requesting the favor of him to speak to the Count, and obtain +an answer from him.</p> + +<p>The Ambassador told Mr Jay, that he ought to ask an +audience of the Minister. To this Mr Jay replied, that +he could not hope to have an answer to this request, as he +had not been able to procure one to the different applications +he had already made. The Ambassador said, that +he would willingly speak to the Minister, but that he feared +he should not be able to enter fully into the subject with +him until Wednesday, both the Minister and himself having +their time employed on objects, which at present and for +some time past, had engrossed much of their attention. +He then asked Mr Jay if he had written to Congress to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_346" id="Page_346">346</a></span> +stop drawing bills on him. Mr Jay replied, that he could +not with propriety give such information to Congress, after +the general and repeated assurances made him by the +Count de Florida Blanca ever since his arrival here, and +particularly the Minister's declaration, that he should be +able to furnish him with thirty or forty thousand pounds +sterling, at the end of the present or commencement of +the next year, and that in the meantime, other arrangements +might be taken to pay such bills as might become +due after that period. He added, that if the Count had +candidly told him that he could not furnish him with +money to pay the bills, he should then immediately have +informed Congress of it, who would have taken of course +the proper measures on the occasion, but that should he +now send a true account of all that had passed between +the Count de Florida Blanca and himself thereon, he +could not answer for the disagreeable effects such intelligence +would produce. The Count seemed to think the +Spanish Minister would pay the bills that had been already +presented, and had probably delayed giving Mr Jay an +answer until the arrival of the person he expected, who he +understood was detained by the necessity of making some +arrangements in his family before he left it.</p> + +<p>On this Mr Jay remarked, that this did not accord with +the information the Minister had given him near three +weeks before, that the said person was then about to set +out.</p> + +<p>The conference ended with a promise of the Count de +Montmorin, that he would endeavor to speak to the Count +de Florida Blanca on the subject, but that he was afraid +he should not be able to do it fully until Wednesday +next. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_347" id="Page_347">347</a></span></p> +</div> + +<p>Finding that the Ambassador could not do anything till +Wednesday next, and that the Minister's determined +silence left no room to hope much from him very soon, I +despatched letters by express to the holders of the bills, +and requested a little more time. I was apprehensive that +if I should accept them without the Minister's consent, it +might become an objection to his providing for their payment, +and appearances led me to suspect, that any tolerable +excuse for such refusal would have been very grateful.</p> + +<p>The French Ambassador did not, as usual, return my +visit. I dined with him, nevertheless; but his behavior, +though polite, was dry, and not cordial and open as before. +He mentioned not a syllable of his having received +a letter from Philadelphia. These circumstances increased +my apprehensions that his letter contained some things +unpleasant.</p> + +<p>On Wednesday afternoon, 30th of August, I waited on +the Ambassador, to know the result of the conversation he +had promised to have with the Minister on our affairs. +He did not appear very glad to see me. I asked him +whether he had seen the Minister, and conversed with him +on our affairs. He said he had seen the Minister, but that +as Count d'Estaing was present, he had only some general +and cursory conversation with him, and slipping away from +that topic, went on to observe, that I would do well to +write another letter to the Minister, mentioning the number +of letters I had already written, my arrival here, and +my desire of a conference with him. I told the Ambassador, +that while four letters on the subject remained unanswered, +it could not be necessary to write a fifth. That +these letters had been written with great politeness and +circumspection; that the last was written the day of my +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_348" id="Page_348">348</a></span> +arrival at St Ildefonso; that I had also gone to the Minister's +house, to pay my respects to him, and on being told +he was sick, had left a card; and that, notwithstanding +these marks of attention and respect, I still continued unanswered +and unnoticed. I observed to him further, that +this conduct accorded ill with the Minister's assurances; +that unless I had met with more tenderness from the +holders of the bills, they would have been returned noted +for non-acceptance; that if such an event should at last +take place, after the repeated promises and declarations of +the Minister, there would of necessity be an end to the +confidence of America in the Court of Spain.</p> + +<p>He replied, that he hoped things would take a more +favorable turn; that to his knowledge the Minister had +been of late much occupied and perplexed with business; +that I ought not to be affected with the inattention of his +conduct; that I should continue to conduct the business +smoothly, having always in view the importance of Spain, +and remembering that we were as yet only rising States, +not firmly established, or generally acknowledged, &c. +and that he would by all means advise me to write the +Minister another letter, <i>praying</i> an audience.</p> + +<p>I answered, that the object of my coming to Spain was +to make <i>propositions</i>, not <i>supplications</i>, and that I should +forbear troubling the Minister with further letters, till he +should be more disposed to attend to them. That I considered +America as being, and to continue independent in +<i>fact</i>, and that her becoming so in <i>name</i> was of no further +importance than as it concerned the common cause, in the +success of which all the parties were interested; and that +I did not imagine Congress would agree to purchase from +Spain the acknowledgment of an undeniable fact at the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_349" id="Page_349">349</a></span> +price she demanded for it; that I intended to abide patiently +the fate of the bills, and should transmit to Congress +an account of all matters relative to them; that I +should then write the Minister another letter on the subject +of the treaty, and if that should be treated with like +neglect, or if I should be informed that his Catholic Majesty +declined going into that measure, I should then consider +my business at an end, and proceed to take the +necessary measures for returning to America; that I knew +my constituents were sincerely desirous of a treaty with +Spain, and that their respect for the House of Bourbon, +the desire of France signified in the Secret Article, and +the favorable opinion they had imbibed of the Spanish +nation, were the strongest inducements they had to wish +it; that the policy of multiplying treaties with European +nations was with me questionable, and might be so with +others; that, for my own part, I was inclined to think it +the interest of America to rest content with the treaty +with France, and, by avoiding alliances with other nations, +remain free from the influence of their disputes and politics; +that the situation of the United States, in my opinion, +dictated this policy; that I knew it to be their interest, +and of course their disposition, to be at peace with all the +world; and that I knew too it would be in their power, +and I hoped in their inclination, always to defend themselves.</p> + +<p>The Ambassador was at a stand; after a little pause, he +said, he hoped my mission would have a more agreeable +issue. He asked me if I was content with the conduct of +France. I answered, most certainly; for that she was spending +her blood as well as treasure for us. This answer was +too general for him. He renewed the question, by asking +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_350" id="Page_350">350</a></span> +whether I was content with the conduct of France relative +to our proposed treaty with Spain. I answered, that, as +far as it had come to my knowledge, I was. This required +an explanation, and I gave it to him, by observing, +that, by the Secret Article, Spain was at liberty to accede +to our treaty with France whenever she pleased, and with +such alterations as both parties might agree to; that Congress +had appointed me to propose this accession now, and +had authorised me to enter into the necessary discussions +and arguments; that, to give their application the better +prospect of success, they had directed me to request the +favorable interposition of the King of France with the +King of Spain; that I had done it by letter to Count de +Vergennes, who, in answer, had assured me of the King's +disposition to comply with the request of Congress; and +informed me that instructions analogous to this disposition +should be given to the Ambassador at Madrid; that it +gave me pleasure to acknowledge that his conduct towards +me had always been polite and friendly, but that I still remained +ignorant whether any, and what progress had been +made in the mediation. He seemed not to have expected +this; but observed, that all he could do was to be ready +to do me any friendly office in his power, for that he did +not see how his <i>mediation</i> could be proper, except in +cases where points of the treaty were discussed, and could +not be agreed upon. To this I replied, that these were +only <i>secondary</i> objects of the expected mediation, and that +the <i>primary</i> one was to prevail upon the King of Spain to +commence the negotiation, and enter upon these discussions; +but that I remained uninformed of what he might +have done on that subject. The Ambassador made no +direct reply to these remarks, but again proceeded to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_351" id="Page_351">351</a></span> +repeat his advice, that I should try one more letter to the +Minister. I told him I had, after much consideration, +made up my mind on that subject, and that it appeared to me +inexpedient to follow his advice in this instance; and +that when he should see the letters I had already written, +he would probably be of the same opinion. I promised to +show him the letters the next day, and took my leave. +How far the tone of this conversation may be judged to +have been prudent, I know not. It was not assumed, +however, but after previous and mature deliberation. I +reflected that we had lost Charleston, that reports ran +hard against us, and therefore that this was no time to +clothe one's self with humility.</p> + +<p>On considering the earnestness with which the Ambassador +had pressed me to write another letter to the Minister, +I began to suspect that it might be the wish of the +latter, who, conscious of having gone rather too far, might +desire this way to retreat through. I concluded, therefore, +to adhere to my resolution of not writing, but that if +the Ambassador should confirm my suspicions by again +pressing the measure, in that case to consent to send Mr +Carmichael to the Minister with my compliments, and a +request that he would favor me with a conference at such +time as might be most convenient to him.</p> + +<p>The next day, Thursday, the 31st of August, I visited +the French Ambassador, and showed him the four last letters +I had written to the Minister. He confessed they +were perfectly unexceptionable, but again advised me to +write another; I told him, I could not think of it, but that +I would so far follow his advice, as to send Mr Carmichael +to request of the Minister the favor of a conference. The +Ambassador expressed much satisfaction at this proposal, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_352" id="Page_352">352</a></span> +and immediately promised to speak to the Minister on the +subject. He advised, however, that I should delay the +measure till Saturday, on account of some urgent business +which then employed the Minister. To this I agreed. I +hinted to him, that the person expected to succeed Mr +Mirales was in town. He said he did not know, and +waived the subject. I thought if that was really the case, +it could do no harm that the Minister should know I suspected +it. In the afternoon, the Ambassador's secretary +paid me a visit, and seemed desirous of entering into particular +conversation on the subject of our affairs, but as I +did not approve of talking with the Ambassador through +his secretary, I avoided it, by turning the conversation to +light and general topics. He asked me several leading +questions, and among others, whether there was a <i>M. +Gardoqui</i> in town. I told him many persons came and +departed that I was ignorant of, and passed on to another +subject. Two persons about the Court mentioned to Mr +Carmichael this evening, that this person was arrived.</p> + +<p>On Saturday morning, the 2d of September, I committed +my message for the Minister to Mr Carmichael, with +directions, first to call on the French Ambassador, and ask +him whether anything new had occurred to render the delivery +of it improper. He told Mr Carmichael, he had +mentioned to the Minister my desire of seeing him that +day, but that the Minister said, he was so much occupied +that it would be impossible. He, nevertheless, told Mr +Carmichael <i>he might go and see</i>. This being mentioned +to me, I told Mr Carmichael to go on.</p> + +<p>After being long detained in the ante-chamber, he had +an opportunity of delivering his message, and received for +answer, that the Minister could not possibly see me till the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_353" id="Page_353">353</a></span> +next Tuesday evening, and that Mr Carmichael should +call again on Tuesday morning, to be informed whether it +would be in his power to see me <i>then</i>; that the person so +long expected was arrived; that he had been preparing +instructions for him, and would endeavor in the meantime +to send him to converse with me.</p> + +<p>On Sunday, the 3d of September, Don Diego Gardoqui, +of Bilboa, presented me a note from the Count de +Florida Blanca, in these words.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments +to Mr Jay, and recommends to him to form an acquaintance +with the bearer of this letter, being the person +in question, whom he had expected from day to day."</p> +</div> + +<p>It is observable, that M. Gardoqui's name is not mentioned +in this letter, which appears the more singular, as +the Count had never mentioned to me the <i>name</i> of the +<i>person expected</i>. This was being very wary. Mr Carmichael +told me, he took this to be the same person whom +he saw first at the inn, and afterwards walking in the private +gardens.</p> + +<p>Hence it appears, that these strange delays were not +unavoidable. Probably, the desire of further intelligence +of the enemy's operations in America, and the undecided +state of Mr Cumberland's negotiation, might have given +occasion to them. To these may perhaps be added an +expectation that our distresses would render us more +pliant, and less attached to the Mississippi. But these are +conjectures, and as men sometimes act without any settled +system, it may not be prudent to scan their conduct by a +supposed plan, however probable. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_354" id="Page_354">354</a></span></p> + +<p>M. Gardoqui began the conversation by assurances of +his personal attachment to our cause and country, which +gave occasion to mutual and complimentary professions +too unimportant to repeat. I told him, that the holders of +the bills, after having shown me great forbearance and +delicacy, were at length perfectly tired; that the house of +Casa Mayor had sent their bills after me, but that as I was +not to expect the honor of a conference with the Minister +until Tuesday evening, at soonest, I had requested time +till Wednesday to give my answer. I therefore begged +the favor of him to mention this to the Minister, and obtain +his directions what I should do. He asked to what +amount Congress had resolved to draw. I told him. He +observed, that the Court ought previously to have been +applied to. In answer to which, I recapitulated the reasons +before given to the Minister. He dwelt largely on +the necessities of the State, and I expatiated on the extensive +ideas entertained of Spanish opulence in America. +He assured me they were mistaken, and spoke of the +difficulties occasioned by the detention of their treasures +abroad. He then remarked, that we offered no <i>consideration</i> +for the money we solicited. I replied, that we +offered the same consideration that other nations did who +borrowed money, viz. the repayment of the principal with +interest. He asked me if we had nothing further to offer, +and mentioned ship timber. I said we had ship timber, +but that as it belonged to individuals, the public could not +get it otherwise than by purchase, and that it could answer +no purpose to borrow money with one hand and instantly +repay it with the other, for that a repayment in money, or +in ship timber, was the same thing in fact, and differed only +in name. Besides, that if Spain wanted timber from +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_355" id="Page_355">355</a></span> +America, it would be better in case he went there, that he +should be charged with that business, than that it should +be under the direction of Congress, for that public works +were always more expensive than private. He agreed in +this. He again asked me whether I could think of nothing +else to offer. I told him no. Whether there was nothing +on the side of the Mississippi that I could offer. I told +him nothing that I could think of except land, and that I +did not think it would be worth the King's while to buy a +hundred thousand pounds worth of land there, considering +the immense territories he already possessed. He inquired +whether I thought Congress would draw for the whole +sum. I answered that it was in my opinion not improbable, +for that they would consider the acceptance of ten or +twelve thousand dollars as a prelude to further aids, naturally +supposing, that if the King afforded us any supplies at +all, they would be such as would correspond with his dignity, +and not be limited to that little pittance. He desired +me to meet him the next day at M. Del Campo's, which I +promised to do.</p> + +<p>I shortly after saw the French Ambassador, who among +other things mentioned the proposed meeting at Del Campo's, +which, with various other circumstances, shows his +being on confidential terms with the Minister.</p> + +<p>In the evening M. Gardoqui again paid me a visit, and +pointedly proposed my offering the navigation of the Mississippi, +as a consideration for aids. I told him that object +could not come in question in a treaty for a loan of one +hundred thousand pounds, and Spain should consider, that +to render alliances permanent, they should be so formed as +to render it the interest of both parties to observe them; +that the Americans, almost to a man, believed that God +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_356" id="Page_356">356</a></span> +Almighty had made that river a highway for the people of +the upper country to go to the sea by; that this country +was extensive and fertile; that the General, many officers, +and others of distinction and influence in America, were +deeply interested in it; that it would rapidly settle, and +that the inhabitants would not readily be convinced of the +justice of being obliged, either to live without foreign commodities, +and lose the surplus of their productions, or be +obliged to transport both over rugged mountains, and +through an immense wilderness, to and from the sea, when +they daily saw a fine river flowing before their doors, and +offering to save them all that trouble and expense, and that +without injury to Spain. He observed, that the present +generation would not want this navigation, and that we +should leave future ones to manage their own affairs, &c.</p> + +<p>The next day, that is, the 4th of September, I met M. +Gardoqui at M. Del Campo's. After some unconnected +conversation, I observed to M. Del Campo, that as all the +papers between the Minister and myself had passed through +his hands, it was unnecessary to give him any information, +except what related to the present state of the bills drawn +upon me, which I proceeded to state in a short, but particular +manner. He replied by making several strictures +on the impropriety of drawing bills without previous notice +and consent. He remarked, that they might with more +propriety have been drawn on France, with whom we +were allied, and who were richer than they; that the +King must first take care of his own people, before he +could supply us; that Spain had been brought into the war +by our quarrel, but received no advantage from us; that +they had been told of our readiness to assist in taking Pensacola, +&c. but instead of aids, he had heard of nothing +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_357" id="Page_357">357</a></span> +but demands from us; that our situation was represented +as being deplorable, and that the enemy talked of the submission +of some of the States, and of negotiations being on +foot for that purpose.</p> + +<p>Whether this style proceeded from natural arrogance, or +was intended to affect my temper, I cannot say; in either +case, I thought it most prudent to take no notice of it, but +proceed calmly and cautiously, and the more so as this was +the first time I had ever conversed with this man. I told +him in substance, though more at large, that the assurances +given Congress of the friendly disposition of Spain by M. +Mirales and others had been confided in, and had induced +Congress to expect the aids in question. That if this application +could be called a demand, it was still the first they +had made to my knowledge; that men in arms against the +enemies of Spain were serving her as well as themselves, +and therefore might without impropriety request her aid; +that our separation from Britain was an object important to +Spain, and that the success, with which we had opposed her +whole force for six years, showed what the power of both, +if under one direction, might be capable of; that I knew +nothing of Spain's having been drawn into the war by or for +us, and that this was not to be found among the reasons +she had alleged for it; that an attack on Pensacola could +not be expected to be made by troops actually employed +in repelling the enemy's assaults from their own doors, and +that the principles of self-defence would not permit or justify +it; that Spain had much to expect in future from our +commerce, and that we should be able as well as willing to +pay our debts; that the tales told of our despondency and +submission resulted from the policy of the enemy, not from +fact, and I believed no more of their private negotiations +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_358" id="Page_358">358</a></span> +between America and Britain, than I did of there being +private negotiations between Spain and Britain for a separate +peace, which the Minister assured me was not the +case; that if on the arrival of the bills, I had been told +plainly that no money could be advanced, further drafts +would soon have been prevented; but that a contrary +conduct having been adopted, other expectations had +been excited; that as to France, she had done, and was +still doing much for us, and that her being our ally did not +confer propriety upon every request that we could make to +her. He still pressed this point, and complained that the +greater part of the money heretofore advanced by Spain +had been laid out in France. He saw that France was +deriving great commercial advantages from us, but that our +commerce never would be an object with Spain, because +all her productions would find a better market in her own +Colonies. He desired a note of the bills which had arrived, +and then made some reflections on the proposal of a +treaty. We agreed perfectly well, that mutual interest +should be the basis of it, and I added, that the good opinion +entertained of the King and nation by America, was +also a pleasing circumstance. He said, however that might +be, America did not seem inclined to gratify Spain, in the +only point in which she was deeply interested. Here followed +much common-place reasoning about the navigation +of the Mississippi, of which your Excellency has heretofore +heard too much to require a repetition. He spoke +also much of the difficulties of Spain, as to money matters, +saying that their treasures in America could at present be +of no use to them, as they had given orders that none +should be sent home during the war, even if it continued +these ten years; and this was done in order, by stopping +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_359" id="Page_359">359</a></span> +the usual current of specie into Europe, to embarrass the +measures which Britain must take to obtain her necessary +supplies.</p> + +<p>On the 6th of September, M. Gardoqui brought me +word, that I might accept the bills of Casa Mayor, amounting +to one thousand one hundred and ten dollars, which I +accordingly did. The proposed conference was postponed, +nor indeed was it obtained until the 23d of September.</p> + +<p>On the 11th, the French Ambassador's Secretary +called upon me, by the Ambassador's direction, to inform +me, that an express was going to Paris, and to know +whether anything further had been done in our affairs +since he had seen me. I told him things continued in +the same situation. He again commenced a conversation +on the subject, and as he came directly from the Ambassador +I entered into it. He expressed some concern for +the delays I met with. I told him such things must be +expected. He said he hoped I was content with France. +I replied, that I apprehended France considered an +interference in our negotiations, as a delicate matter, for that +as she had probably held up the exclusive navigation of +the Mississippi, and Gulf of Mexico, among other objects +to induce Spain to take a part in the war, she might hesitate +about pressing Spain into a treaty with us on terms, +that would not comprehend this object. He said M. Gerard +had reasoned well about those matters, but that he +did not believe France would be backward, nor indeed +that she had promised this to Spain to bring her into the +war. I told him, I should not be surprised to find, that +the delay arose from a desire of hearing further news from +America, and probably from Philadelphia. He said, that +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_360" id="Page_360">360</a></span> +could not be the case, for since M. Mirales's death, Spain +had no person there to give them intelligence. I told +him that Spain might be waiting the issue of new motions +respecting the Mississippi in Congress, and that I was sure +Count de la Luzerne would readily be at the trouble of +communicating to them any interesting information on <i>that</i> +or any other subject. Whether he drew any conclusions +from the manner in which this was said, I cannot say, +but in a way that looked like exculpating that Minister, +he told me, that Count de la Luzerne had only mentioned +to the French Ambassador, that two Members of Congress, +with whom he had talked over the affair of the +Mississippi, thought it would be best not to bring on the +question of the navigation until Spain should become possessed +of the adjacent country, for that then it might be +ceded with a better grace. He mentioned no names. +This explains the letter herein before mentioned. The +inferences which flow from it are obvious. I incline to +suspect, that what I said in my letters on that head returned +here by the same conveyance.</p> + +<p>On the 13th of September, M. Gardoqui delivered me +the following verbal message from Count de Florida +Blanca. "That the exigencies of the State would not +permit his Majesty to provide for the payment of more of +the bills drawn upon me than had been already accepted." +I expressed my regret that this had not been told me at +first, and told him it appeared a little extraordinary that +the Minister should employ himself and me three months +in making and answering propositions relative to a loan +which it was not in his power to make. I touched also on +the assurances from time to time given me, and intimated, +that something, which I could not at present see through, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_361" id="Page_361">361</a></span> +must have caused this change; that I lamented it the +more, as it would weaken the foundations on which I +wished to see a cordial union laid between the two +countries.</p> + +<p>I dined with the French Ambassador. He was a little +out of spirits, and on talking to him on what had happened, +I told him there was nothing now left but for me +to apply to France. He encouraged the idea, and agreed +with me, that the bills ought to be by all means saved from +protests. He imputed the conduct of Spain to resentment +against M. Necker, for opposing a certain scheme of +Spanish finance, which he thought interfered with his +plan. It is a curious one, but I shall omit it at present, +as I fear Congress already wish this letter at an end. As +the Count de Florida Blanca's message to me by M. Gardoqui +was a verbal one, and might hereafter be denied +or explained away as convenience might dictate, I thought +it important to establish it, and for that and other reasons +which need no explanation, I wrote the Count the following +letter.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"St Ildefonso, September 14th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"The information I received yesterday from your Excellency +by M. Gardoqui, has drawn the affair of the bills +of exchange to a conclusion. He told me, that the exigencies +of the State would not permit his Majesty to provide +for the payment of more of those bills than were +already accepted, amounting to about fourteen thousand +dollars.</p> + +<p>"As it is important that every nation at war should +know exactly the state of their resources, and as America +has been induced to consider the friendship of his Catholic +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_362" id="Page_362">362</a></span> +Majesty as among the number of hers, I must request the +favor of your Excellency to tell me frankly whether the +United States may expect any, and what aids from Spain. +The general assurances of amity, which that country has +received from this, together with what has passed between +your Excellency and myself relative to clothing for our +troops, and supplies of specie in America, will I hope be +considered as authorising this question; and the more so, +as M. Gardoqui, to whose arrival your Excellency postponed +the discussion of these matters, informs me he is +not instructed to say anything to me on these, or indeed +any other subjects.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>On this day some glorious reports from America arrived. +It seemed as if she had risen like a giant refreshed with +sleep, and was doing wonders. I sent the news to the +Count as usual, without appearing to be affected by his +late conduct. I began again to be seen, and in a few instances +to be known.</p> + +<p>The next day, the 15th of September, M. Gardoqui +delivered to me a paper by way of answer to my letter of yesterday +to the Minister. It is in these words;</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>"The following answer has been dictated to me in his +Excellency's name by Don Bernardo del Campo, to be +delivered to the honorable John Jay.</p> + +<p>"That it is not his Majesty's intention to stop assisting +the States, whenever means can be found to do it, but that +it will be impossible to supply them with money in Europe, +there being none to spare, for that which ought to have +come this year from America, has neither come, nor is it +known when it will, and that which would have facilitated +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_363" id="Page_363">363</a></span> +a far advanced negotiation is likely to produce no effect, +in a great measure, <i>through the undermining of some persons +of rank in France</i>.</p> + +<p>"The States not giving timely advice, nor having taken +his Majesty's previous consent, he could not arrange his +affairs beforehand, in order to assure the acceptance and +payment of the bills they have drawn, for which reasons, +and that Congress has not to this day given any tokens +of a recompense, his Majesty might have just cause of disgust, +but notwithstanding he does not, nor will change his +ideas, and will always retain those of humanity, friendship, +and compassion, that he has had towards the colonies. +That, consequently, if Mr Jay or his constituents should +find money upon credit, to the sum of one hundred or one +hundred and fifty thousand dollars, that his Majesty will be +answerable for the said sum, payable in the space of three +years; that his Majesty will besides exert all that is possible +to assist them with clothing and other things, and, +finally, in order that his Majesty may extend his further +dispositions, it is precisely necessary that they should give +sure and effective tokens of a good correspondence, proposing +reciprocal measures of a compensation that may +establish a solid friendship and confidence, without reducing +it to words and protests of mere compliment.</p> + +<p>"This being the substance, I would further suggest to Mr +Jay's consideration, that the continuance of assisting the +States by answering the sum expressed in a manner much +more public than that of paying the money privately, shows +plainly the sincerity of his Majesty, although the States +have not to this day proposed any equivalent to the assistance +already given, and to the expenses occasioned by a +war, which had its true origin from them, to all which must +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_364" id="Page_364">364</a></span> +be added, (though by the way no credit is given to it,) that +there are hints of some understanding between the colonies +and England.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>St Ildefonso, September 15th, 1780.</i></p> + +<p class="signed">JAMES GARDOQUI."</p> +</div> + +<p>It is to be observed, that this paper when first delivered +was not signed, and suspecting that this omission might not +be accidental, I mentioned it to M. Gardoqui a day or two +afterwards. After some hesitation, and doubts of its being +necessary, he signed it. I made no remarks at all to M. +Gardoqui on any part of this paper except the last article, +which I treated with great indignation.</p> + +<p>On the 16th I wrote a short letter and many copies to +your Excellency, informing you of the necessity of suspending +further drafts upon me for the present.</p> + +<p>Three days afterwards, I had a long and satisfactory +conversation with the French Ambassador, in which he was +very unreserved, candid, and confidential. He read to me +part of a letter he intended to send to Count de Vergennes +on our affairs, and justice calls upon me to say, that we +are obliged to him for it.</p> + +<p>On the 22d of September, I sent the following letter to +Count de Vergennes by one of the Ambassador's couriers.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have never taken up my pen with so much reluctance +as I now do, although my design is to write a letter to your +Excellency. But, Sir, there are few sensations more painful +than those which they experience, who, already covered +with benefits, are impelled by cruel necessity to ask for +more. Such is my present situation, and hence proceeds +my regret. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_365" id="Page_365">365</a></span></p> + +<p>"My uniform and unreserved communications to the +Count Montmorin, who has my fullest confidence, precludes +the necessity and consequently the propriety of a +minute detail of American affairs here.</p> + +<p>"Your Excellency will recollect the resolution of Congress +for drawing bills on me, as well as the reasons assigned +for that measure. In my first conference with the +Minister on that subject, he enlarged on the necessities of +the State, but nevertheless told me, he should be able, at +the end of the present or beginning of the next year, to +advance thirty or forty thousand pounds sterling, and that +further arrangements respecting the residue should then be +made.</p> + +<p>"I afterwards received and answered propositions for +the reimbursement of this money; and from time to time, +was permitted to accept such of the bills as were most +pressing.</p> + +<p>"Things remained in this state till the 5th of July, +when, after many warm assurances of friendship and good +will, the further discussion of these matters was postponed +by the Minister until the arrival of a person intended to +succeed M. Mirales, the late Spanish agent at Philadelphia, +and I was told that they should then be arranged and +adjusted.</p> + +<p>"Several weeks elapsed after the time assigned for his +arrival had expired. The holders of the bills became importunate, +and insisting on my accepting or refusing them.</p> + +<p>"I wrote several letters to the Minister, requesting his +directions, but was not favored with an answer to any of +them.</p> + +<p>"On the 3d instant, after fruitless endeavors to see the +Minister, I received the following note from him by the +hands of M. Gardoqui; +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_366" id="Page_366">366</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>'The Count de Florida Blanca sends his compliments to +Mr Jay, and advises him to become acquainted with the +bearer of this letter, who is the person that has been expected +from day to day.'</p> +</div> + +<p>"This gentleman made many remarks tending to show +the propriety of America's offering some specific consideration +for this money, and hinted at the navigation of the +Mississippi, ship timber, vessels, tobacco, &c. &c. I replied, +that the only consideration Congress could offer, +was that which all other nations at war, who borrowed +money, offered, viz. to repay the principal with a reasonable +interest after the war; that I should deceive him, +were I to enter into contracts to pay it sooner; that the +proposition of paying it during the war, in ship timber, tobacco, +or other articles, did not lessen the difficulty, for +that these things were worth, and cost money in America, +as well as in Europe; and that as to the Mississippi, it +could not come in question as a consideration for one +hundred thousand pounds. The conversation was concluded, +by his desiring me to meet him at M. Del +Campo's the next morning. M. Gardoqui then, and +since, behaved with temper, candor, and politeness.</p> + +<p>"The next day we saw M. Del Campo. He was liberal +in his censures on the measure of drawing the bills in question +on Spain. He informed me, that the King must first +take care of his own people before he gave supplies to +others; that Spain, instead of deriving advantage from +America, heard of nothing but demands. That if Congress +wanted money, they should have drawn on France, with +whom they were in alliance, and who had all the profit of +their trade; that we ought to have distinguished between +our allies, and those who only wished us well, and that applications +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_367" id="Page_367">367</a></span> +for aid might be proper to the one, which were +not so to the other; that our affairs were in a ruinous condition, +and that it was even said some of the States were +holding secret negotiations for peace with the enemy, &c. +&c. &c. My replies were such as the subject naturally +suggested, and as prudence dictated; there are seasons +when men mean not to be convinced, and when argument +becomes mere matter of form. On such occasions, we +have little more in our power than moderation and temper. +I gave M. Del Campo credit for his frankness, and wish I +could with propriety have extended it to his delicacy.</p> + +<p>"A day or two afterwards, viz. the 6th instant, I was +permitted to accept bills to the amount of one thousand +one hundred and ten dollars.</p> + +<p>"On the 13th, M. Gardoqui, by order of the Minister, +told me, that the exigencies of the State would not permit +the King to provide for the payment of more of the +bills than had been already accepted, amounting to about +fourteen thousand dollars. This gave occasion to my +letter to the Minister of the 14th, and to his answer +of the 15th, which was dictated by him to M. Del +Campo, and by M. Del Campo to M. Gardoqui, copies +of both of which your Excellency will receive from Count +Montmorin. The Minister's answer made a conference +between us expedient. I requested that favor the 15th +instant, and have been informed that the Count de Florida +Blanca will endeavor to see me on Saturday evening +next.</p> + +<p>"I forbear remarks on this singular conduct. I wish it +could be explained in a manner compatible with the reputation +Spain enjoys in North America. I much fear +partial resentments, which ought not to affect America, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_368" id="Page_368">368</a></span> +have been permitted to have an undue degree of influence, +and that the Minister forgot in his zeal for a certain +scheme of finance, that it was unjust to wound opponents +through the sides of their friends. But whatever may +have been the cause; the effect, unless removed, will be +destructive, and France only can at present afford the +means of doing it.</p> + +<p>"When I consider, on the one hand, that France was +our first, and is still our best, and almost only friend; that +she became our ally on terms of equality, neither taking, +nor attempting to take ungenerous advantages of our situation; +that she has clothed and armed our troops, and is +at this moment assisting us with her fleets, her armies, her +treasure, and her blood; gratitude and generosity forbid +me to solicit a further tax on her magnanimity. But, on +the other hand, when I reflect that the loss of American +credit would be a loss to the common cause, and an eventual +injury to France; that such an event would be a +matter of triumph to our common enemy; and of pain to +our friends; that the honor of Congress, suspended on the +fate of these bills, now hangs as it were by a hair, and that +our enemies here and elsewhere are doing all in their +power to cut it; when I consider, that America would feel +more sensibly the loss of reputation in this instance, than +the loss of battles in many others; I say, Sir, when I consider +these things, I find it to be my duty to request your +Excellency to interpose the amity of France, and that his +Majesty will be pleased to add this strong link to the chain +of benefits, by which he has already bound the affections of +America to his family and people.</p> + +<p>"I ought to inform your Excellency, that bills for about +fifty thousand dollars remain unaccepted. The greater +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_369" id="Page_369">369</a></span> +part of these are in the hands of merchants, who waited +my answer with a degree of patience, I could not have +expected; some of them ever since the month of June +last. Further delays, therefore, were not to be asked or +obtained, and I was reduced to the necessity, either of +promising to accept them, or permit the credit of Congress +to perish with them. I could not long hesitate. I promised +to accept them. Fortunately, these bills have hitherto +come on slowly, though, it is probable, that the assurances +of Spain, which I have communicated to Congress, +may quicken their pace. A period, however, will soon +be put to their drawing, as I have written to them by several +conveyances immediately to stop.</p> + +<p>"I ought also to inform your Excellency, that a promise +made me in June last of some clothing for our troops has +been renewed, and that his Majesty has been pleased to +offer us his responsibility to facilitate a loan of one hundred +and fifty thousand dollars. I shall endeavor to make the +most of this offer, and your Excellency may rest assured, +that I shall gladly embrace every measure, which may be +calculated to lessen the weight with which the American +cause presses on the finances of France.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>I also sent a copy of this letter to Dr Franklin, enclosed +in one of which the following is a copy.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">St Ildefonso, Sept. 22d, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have lately written to you several letters. Enclosed +is a copy of one to Count de Vergennes, which Count +Montmorin, who also writes to him on the same subject, is +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_370" id="Page_370">370</a></span> +so obliging as to send together with this, by a courier to +Bayonne.</p> + +<p>"The papers you have heretofore received from me, +with those now sent, will enable you to understand it, and +I am persuaded your abilities and influence will be exerted +to promote the success of the application contained in it. +It appears to me absolutely necessary, that the bills drawn +on me be saved at all events. If contrary to my ideas of +the wisdom and affection of France, she should not lend us +money for the purpose, we must endeavor to borrow it of +individuals, though at a higher than usual interest; nay, on +any terms, rather than not get it. Almost anything will be +better than a protest; for exclusive of the disgrace, which +is intolerable, the consequences of it would cost Congress +more than the expense of saving their credit, be it almost +what it will.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I am, &c.</p> +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>The Ambassador informed me, that he had received despatches +from Philadelphia, which gave him and the Court +great pleasure, viz.—That Congress had, at the instance of +the Chevalier de la Luzerne and Don Francisco, agreed to +make a diversion to the southward in order to facilitate the +Spanish operations in that quarter; that a noble spirit was +pervading all ranks of people; that we had been successful +in Jersey, &c. &c. and in short, that the Chevalier de la +Luzerne was much pleased with Congress and the general +aspect of affairs in America. I lamented in silence, that I +should have no other intelligence of all this, but from a +French Ambassador.</p> + +<p>He informed me further, that he believed we should +now be able to get some of the clothing taken from the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_371" id="Page_371">371</a></span> +enemy by Admiral Cordova; that he had, and would continue +to cherish the idea. We had a long conversation; +he gave me much good advice, some useful information, +and many assurances of cordiality and good will.</p> + +<p>On the evening of the 23d, I was admitted to the honor +of a conference with his Excellency the Count de Florida +Blanca; and M. Gardoqui, who understands Spanish and +English exceedingly well, performed the part of interpreter.</p> + +<p>The following notes of the conference are very exact as +to every particular.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>Notes of a Conference between his Excellency the Count +de Florida Blanca and Mr Jay, at St Ildefonso, on +Saturday Evening, September 23d, 1780</i>.</p> + +<p>After the usual civilities the Count began the conference +by informing Mr Jay, that the Court had received intelligence +from the Havana, of Congress having so far +complied with the request made to them to permit the +exportation of provisions for the use of his Majesty's fleets +and armies there, as to give license for shipping three +thousand barrels of flour, circumstances not admitting of +further supplies at that time; that this business was conducted +by Mr Robert Morris in a manner with which he +was well pleased; that Congress had also, in order to promote +the success of the Spanish operations against Pensacola, +&c. agreed to make a diversion to the southward, to +detach a considerable body of regular troops and militia to +South Carolina under General Gates; that his Majesty +was well pleased with, and highly sensible of, these marks +of their friendly disposition, and had directed him to desire +Mr Jay to convey his thanks to them on the occasion. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_372" id="Page_372">372</a></span></p> + +<p>Mr Jay expressed his satisfaction at this intelligence, +and promised to take the earliest opportunity of conveying +to Congress the sense his Majesty entertained of their +friendship, manifested by these measures. He told the +Count it gave him pleasure to hear the business of the +Spanish supplies was committed to Mr Robert Morris, and +assured him, that the fullest confidence might be reposed +in that gentleman's abilities and integrity. He requested +his Excellency again to assure his Majesty, that he might +rely on the good disposition of Congress, and of their evincing +it in every way, which the situation of their affairs and +the interest of the common cause might render practicable +and expedient. The Count told Mr Jay, that he had +proposed to the French Ambassador to send to Congress +for the use of their army, clothing for ten regiments lately +taken in the convoy bound from Britain to Jamaica, and +in which the two Crowns were equally interested; that +the Ambassador approved the proposition, but had not yet +given his final answer. He then observed, that a negotiation +for a peace between Britain and Spain appeared +at present more distant than ever; that the former had +offered his Majesty everything he could desire to induce +him to a separate peace; but that the King, adhering to +the same resolutions in favor of America, which had influenced +his conduct in his mediation for a general peace +and since, had rejected them, and that Congress might +rely on his Majesty's determination never to give up or +forsake America, but on the contrary continue affording +her all the aids in his power.</p> + +<p>He told Mr Jay, that the Court of London, disappointed +in their expectations of detaching Spain, had it in contemplation +again to send Commissioners to America to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_373" id="Page_373">373</a></span> +treat with Congress on the subject of an accommodation +with them; that this measure was at present under the +consideration of the Privy Council, and that there was +reason to suppose it would be adopted. He observed, +that the English had hitherto discovered much finesse and +little true policy; that first they endeavored by their intrigues +in France to separate that kingdom and America, +but not succeeding there, they sent Commissioners to America; +that the last year they attempted to detach France, +and this year Spain, and that being unsuccessful in both +they would again attempt America; that the best way of +defeating their designs was mutual confidence in each +other. He remarked, that America could not rely on +any promise of Britain, and asked if she was once detached +from France and Spain, who could compel an observance +of them? Mr Jay thanked the Count for this communication, +and assured him, that Congress would not only +adhere to their engagements from motives of interest, but +from a regard to their honor, and the faith of treaties; +that the opinion of Congress on this subject corresponded +with that of his Excellency, and that their conduct, with +respect to the former English Commissioners, gave conclusive +evidence of their sentiments on the subject. Mr Jay +promised in case he received any intelligence relative to this +matter, his Excellency might depend on its being communicated +immediately to him.</p> + +<p>The Count appeared satisfied with this, and again repeated +his former assurances of the King's good disposition +towards America, &c. &c.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay informed his Excellency, that the subject on +which he was desirous of conversing with him, arose from +the paper he had received from M. Gardoqui the 15th +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_374" id="Page_374">374</a></span> +instant, containing his Excellency's answer to Mr Jay's +letter of the 14th.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay then requested the Count to communicate to +his Majesty his thanks for the offer he had been pleased +to make, of his responsibility in order to facilitate a loan +of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and also for the +promise of clothing, &c. &c. and to assure him, that the +gratitude of the States would always be proportionate to +the obligations conferred upon them; he observed to the +Count, that he intended to attempt this loan in Spain, +France, and Holland, and begged to be informed in what +manner he should evidence the responsibility of his Majesty +to the persons, who might be disposed to lend the +money, for that in this and other similar cases, he meant to +be guided by his Excellency's directions. The Count +replied, that as this matter fell within the department of +M. Musquir, the Minister of Finance, he would consult him +upon it on Tuesday evening next, and immediately thereafter +inform Mr Jay of the result. He then apologized, +and expressed his regret for not being able to furnish the +money he had expected to supply (alluding evidently to +the <i>thirty or forty thousand pounds</i> which, in the conference +at Aranjues, the 11th day of May last, he said he expected +to be able to supply by the end of this or beginning +of next year.) He said he had been disappointed in the +remittances expected from America, for he was advised, +that two ships, which he had expected would arrive from +thence with treasure in December or January next, would +not come, and that this and other circumstances rendered it +impossible for him to advance us any money in Europe. +But that he would, nevertheless, agreeably to the King's +intentions, give us all the assistance in his power. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_375" id="Page_375">375</a></span></p> + +<p>Mr Jay desired to be informed, whether any steps were +necessary for him to take for forwarding the clothing at +Cadiz to America. The Count answered, that he waited +the French Ambassador's answer on the subject, and that +he had as yet no inventory of them, but that he would +again speak to the Ambassador, and make arrangements +for sending them on to America as soon as possible.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay then proceeded to regret that the pleasure he +derived from these instances of his Majesty's friendship to +the United States, was mingled with pain from being informed +by the abovementioned paper, that the King conceived +he might have just cause to be disgusted with +them.</p> + +<p>Because, 1st; they had drawn the bills of exchange without +his previous consent; and, 2dly, because they had not +given any tokens of a recompense. Mr Jay reminded his +Excellency that these bills were drawn upon himself, and +not on Spain, and although that Congress might have +hoped, for reasons already assigned, to have been enabled +to pay them by a loan from his Majesty, yet that every +other usual measure was left open for that purpose. That +an application to Spain for such a loan could give no +just cause of offence, for that if it had not been convenient +to her to make it, all that she had to was to have +told him so, and he was then at liberty to take such +measures for procuring it elsewhere as he might think +proper. The Count replied, that what Mr Jay observed +was true, but that certainly the bills were drawn with an +expectation of their being paid by Spain, and that this +might probably have been done if previous notice of the +measure had been given. That he always intended to +have done something towards their payment, but had been +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_376" id="Page_376">376</a></span> +prevented by disappointments, and the exigencies of the +State. Mr Jay continued to observe, that the second +cause assigned for this disgust, viz. that Congress had +given no tokens of a recompense, must have risen from a +mistake. He reminded his Excellency, that he had never +requested a donation from Spain, but that on the contrary +he had repeatedly offered to pledge the faith of the United +States for the repayment with interest, within a reasonable +time after the war, of whatever sum his Majesty might be +so kind as to lend them. To these remarks the Count +said only, that interest for the money would have been no +object with them; that they would gladly have lent it to us +without interest, and repeated his regret at the disappointment +which had prevented them. He appeared rather +uneasy and desirous of waiving the subject.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay next called the Count's attention to a part of +the paper in question, which informed him "that there +were hints (though no credit was given to it) of some +understanding between America and the Court of London." +He observed, that this subject was both delicate +and important; that so far as this understanding related to +Congress, or the governments of either of the States, he +was sure that this insinuation was entirely groundless; that +there might possibly be intriguing individuals, who might +have given cause to such suspicions; that if there were +such men or bodies of men it would be for the good of +the common cause that they should be detected, and their +designs frustrated. He therefore requested, that if his +Excellency had any evidence on this subject, he would be +pleased to communicate it, and thereby enable him to +give Congress an opportunity of taking such measures as +circumstances might render proper. The Count said, he +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_377" id="Page_377">377</a></span> +had nothing specific or particular as yet to communicate. +That he was pursuing measures for further discoveries, +and that he would mention to Mr Jay whatever information +might result from them.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay resumed his animadversions on the paper in +question by observing, that it assured him it was necessary, +"that Congress should give sure and effective tokens of +a good correspondence, proposing reciprocal measures of +a compensation, &c. in order that his Majesty might extend +his further dispositions towards them." That for +his part he could conceive of no higher tokens, which one +nation could give to another of friendship and good will, +than their commissioning and sending a person for the +express purpose of requesting his Majesty to enter into +treaties of amity and alliance with them, and that on terms +of reciprocity of interest and mutual advantage. To this +the Count replied, that to this day he was ignorant of these +terms, and that no particular propositions had been made +him. Mr Jay then reminded him of his letters from +Cadiz, and of the conference on the subject at Aranjues +on the 2d day of June last, in the latter of which, after +conferring on the subject of aids, and of the treaty, his +Excellency had promised to reduce his sentiments on both +to writing, and send him notes on each; that as to the +first, Mr Jay had received the notes, but not on the last; +that he had been in constant expectation of receiving them, +and that delicacy forbade pressing his Excellency on that +matter, or offering anything further till he should have +leisure to complete them.</p> + +<p>He said he thought he had given them to Mr Jay or Mr +Carmichael, which both of them assured him he had not. +Of this the Count appeared after a little time satisfied, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_378" id="Page_378">378</a></span> +when Mr Jay resumed the subject by remarking, that the +order of conducting that business appeared to him to be +this; that as a right was reserved by the Secret Article +to his Majesty to accede to the treaty between France and +America whenever he thought proper, and that the latter +would go into a discussion of any alteration the King might +propose, that should be founded on reciprocity of interest, +the first question was whether his Majesty would accede +to it as it was, or whether he would propose any and what +alterations.</p> + +<p>The Count here interrupted Mr Jay by saying, that the +interest of France and Spain with respect to America were +so distinct, as necessarily to render different treaties necessary. +Mr Jay answered, that admitting this to be the +case, the treaty with France might be made the basis, and +then go on <i>mutatis mutandis</i>. The Count proceeded to +say, that it would not conduce to the general pacification to +hurry on the treaty; that finding Congress were not disposed +to cessions, without which the King would not make +a treaty, he thought it best by mutual services and acts of +friendship, to continue making way for more condescensions +on both sides, and not excite animosities and warmth +by discussing points which the King would never yield. +That, therefore, Mr Jay might take time to write to Congress +on the subject, and obtain their instructions.</p> + +<p>He said, that previous to Mr Jay's or M. Gerard's arrival +at Madrid, M. Mirales had informed him that Congress +would yield the navigation of the Mississippi, but that M. +Gerard informed him that Congress had changed their +resolution on that subject; that he had mentioned these +obstacles to Mr Jay and Mr Carmichael, and it was probable +that having done this, he had neglected or forgotten to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_379" id="Page_379">379</a></span> +give Mr Jay the notes in question. Mr Jay here reminded +his Excellency, that the conference between them of the +2d day of June last turned among other points on these +obstacles, and that they had then mutually expressed hopes +that regulations calculated to remove them in a manner +satisfactory to both parties might be adopted, and that the +conferences respecting them were concluded by his Excellency's +promising to give Mr Jay notes of his sentiments +on the proposed treaty. The Count admitted this, and +made several observations tending to show the importance +of this object to Spain, and its determination to adhere to +it, saying, with some degree of warmth, that unless Spain +could exclude all nations from the Gulf of Mexico, they +might as well admit all; that the King would never relinquish +it; that the Minister regarded it as the principal +object to be obtained by the war, and <i>that obtained</i>, he +should be perfectly easy whether or no Spain procured +any other cession; that he considered it far more important +than the acquisition of Gibraltar, and that if they +did not get it, it was a matter of indifference to him whether +the English possessed Mobile or not; that he chose always +to speak his sentiments plainly and candidly on those occasions, +for which reason he generally acted differently from +other politicians, in always choosing to commit himself to +paper, and appealing to the knowledge of the French Ambassador +and others, who had done business with him, for +the proofs of this being the principle of his conduct. He +concluded by saying he would give his sentiments in +writing on this subject to Mr Jay.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay made no reply to the Count's remarks on the +navigation, but observing, that being little acquainted with +the practice of politicians, he was happy in having to treat +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_380" id="Page_380">380</a></span> +with a Minister of his Excellency's principles. He added, +that there were many points necessary to be adjusted in +order to a treaty; that they might proceed to agree upon +as many as they could, and with respect to the others, he +should state them clearly to Congress, and attend their +further instructions.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay then again turned the conference to the paper +beforementioned, by observing to the Count, that it appeared +from it, that the King also expected from Congress +equivalents to the supplies formerly afforded, and also +the expenses of the war, which it alleged had its origin +from them. That as to the first he could only repeat what +he had before said, that a general account of them was +necessary. That he neither knew the amount of them, nor +the terms on which they were granted; that it was a transaction +previous to his appointment; that on being furnished +with the necessary information, he would transmit it to +Congress, and wait their instructions; that an expectation +of an equivalent to the expenses sustained by Spain in the +war, was inadmissible on every principle. He read the +passage in question and remarked, that America could no +more be justly chargeable with the expenses of the war +sustained by Spain, than Spain could be justly chargeable +with the expenses of the war sustained by America. The +Count replied, that Mr Jay had mistaken his meaning, and +that he urged it merely to show that as the States were +deriving considerable advantages from very expensive operations +on the part of Spain, that consideration should incline +them to more condescension towards the latter.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay assured his Excellency that he knew it to be +the disposition of Congress to contribute all in their power +to the success of the common cause, and that they would +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_381" id="Page_381">381</a></span> +on every occasion give proofs of it, and among others, +that he was confident they would permit his Majesty to +export from thence, <i>during the war</i>, ship timber and masts +for the royal navy, and would readily consent to such +measures as might be proper and necessary for facilitating +it. He further observed that having been informed by +M. Gardoqui that his Majesty would like to take and finish +a seventyfour gun ship now on the stocks in one of the +eastern ports, on which it was said no work was doing, he +would with pleasure write to Congress, and propose their +transferring her to his Majesty at prime cost. That this +previous step was necessary, as Congress might perhaps +intend that vessel for particular services, but he was confident +they would otherwise be happy in indulging his +Majesty's inclinations. The Count appeared pleased with +this. He said, that with respect to timber they stood most +in need at present of yards, and should be glad to obtain a +supply of them from Congress. That as to the ship, he +wished to be informed exactly of her present state, and the +materials wanted to complete and equip her, which he +observed might be sent from the Havana, and whether a +crew of Americans could be had to navigate her there. +Mr Jay replied, that though he was sure that Congress +would readily give their aid in these and other matters +interesting to Spain, yet he could not forbear reminding his +Excellency as a friend, that public business done under the +direction of public bodies was always more expensive +than when done by individuals. That, therefore, he would +submit it to his consideration whether it would not be more +advisable to commit the management of those affairs to the +agent, intended to succeed M. Mirales, who, by being on +the spot, would have opportunities of acting on exact information, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_382" id="Page_382">382</a></span> +and in a manner more consistent with the views +of his Excellency. The Count agreed in this opinion, +and promised to communicate to Mr Jay his further intentions +on this subject.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay informed the Minister, that as his further stay +here would now be unnecessary, and business called him +to Madrid, he purposed to return there on Monday next. +The Count concurred and the conference ended.</p> +</div> + +<p>Congress will permit me to observe that many things +in this conference are important, and demand instructions. +I forbear to point them out, because they are obvious; and +I take the liberty of giving this hint from a knowledge of +the delays attending the proceedings of large bodies.</p> + +<p>I returned to Madrid on the day appointed; and whether +to accept or not to accept the bills became a very serious +question. After reviewing all the reasons for and against +it, which are numerous, and which Congress will readily +perceive without a particular enumeration, I determined to +put a good face on the business, and accept all that should +be presented, which I have accordingly done, and am daily +doing. What the event will be I cannot pretend to decide. +All that I can say is, that my endeavors shall not be wanting +to render it successful. The responsibility of the King +will not produce much, and the difficulty of borrowing +money has been increased, by the number of agents sent to +Europe for that purpose by several of the different States, +who I am told have imprudently bidden on each other.</p> + +<p>M. Gardoqui returned to Madrid a few days after I did, +and brought me word from the Minister, that instructions +should be sent to their Ambassadors in Holland and +France, to assure in due form the responsibility of the +King to such persons as might there incline to lend us +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_383" id="Page_383">383</a></span> +money on the credit of it, and that the Minister would do +the same here. He told me further, that the Minister +hoped I would not be discouraged, nor consider this +only on the dark side, for that it was still his intention to +afford America every aid in his power. All this I ascribe +to the exertions of America, and I am confident, that it +will always be necessary for the United States to be formidable +at home, if they expect to be respectable anywhere.</p> + +<p>For my own part, I shall be disappointed, if I find +Courts moving on any other principle than political ones, +and, indeed, not always on those. Caprice, whim, the interests +and passions of individuals, must and will always +have greater or less degrees of influence. America stands +very high here, at present. I rejoice at it, though I must +confess I much fear that such violent exertions may be +followed by languor and relaxation. What the plan of this +Court is with respect to us, or whether they have any, is +with me very doubtful. If they have rejected all the overtures +of Britain, why is Mr Cumberland still here? And why +are expresses passing between Madrid and London through +Portugal? If Spain is determined that we shall be independent, +why not openly declare us so, and thereby diminish +the hopes and endeavors of Britain to prevent it? +She seems to be desirous of holding the balance, of being +in some sort a mediatrix, and of courting the offers of +each by her supposed importance to both. The drawing +of bills on me was considered as a desperate measure, +prompted by our imbecility, and was a bad card to play at +a time we were endeavoring to form a treaty, and when +prudence demanded that the importance of Spain to us +should not have been brought forward, or placed in such a +glaring point of view. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_384" id="Page_384">384</a></span></p> + +<p>One good consequence, however, has resulted from it. +The cordiality of Spain has been tried by it. For I +know of a certainty, that it was in her power easily to have +made the loan we asked. Indeed, we shall always be deceived, +if we believe that any nation in the world has, or +will have, a disinterested regard for us, especially absolute +monarchies, where the temporary views or passions of the +Prince, his Ministers, his women, or his favorites, not the +voice of the people, direct the helm of State. Besides, +from the manner in which the war is carrying on, it would +seem as if it was the design of France and Spain that the +longest <i>purse</i>, not the longest <i>sword</i>, should decide it. +Whether such be really their intention, or how far it may +be politic, I cannot pretend to determine. This, however, +is certain, that it would be putting the affair on a hard +issue for us. It is also certain, that some respect is due +to appearances and probable events, and we should be +cautious how we spend our money, our men, or our public +spirit, uselessly.</p> + +<p>In my opinion, we should endeavor to be as independent +on the charity of our friends, as on the mercy of our +enemies. Jacob took advantage even of his brother's +hunger, and extorted from him a higher price than the +value of the Mississippi even for a single dinner. The +way not to be in <i>Esau's</i> condition, is to be prepared to +meet with <i>Jacob's</i>.</p> + +<p>From what I can learn of the King's character, I am +persuaded, that a present from Congress of a handsome +fast sailing packet boat would be very acceptable, and +consequently very useful.</p> + +<p>I am informed, and believe, that a loan from individuals +in France is impracticable. Here nothing can be done in +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_385" id="Page_385">385</a></span> +that way. What may be expected from the like attempts +in Holland, I am unable to say.</p> + +<p>I have received no answer to my letter to Count de +Vergennes; the Ambassador informs me, that the Count +has written him on the subject, and the following is an extract +from his letter.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"I doubt whether I shall be able to render Mr Jay the +service he requests of me, independently of what the Ministry +has furnished the Americans in the course of the +year. Dr Franklin is urgent for a million extra, to meet +the drafts of Congress to the 31st of December. I am +sensible how important it is to prevent them from being returned +protested, but the difficulty is to find the means. I +shall do my best in this exigency, but am not sure of success; +beyond this, it would be impossible for me to go." +</p></div> + +<p>Dr Franklin has obtained some more money from his +Court, and I am to have twentyfive thousand dollars of it; +perhaps he may be able to advance more, but how much, +I cannot say.</p> + +<p><i>November 1st, 1780.</i> No orders have as yet been given +respecting the clothing. I have applied and reapplied, +and have been promised and repromised. I employed +Mr Harrison, at Cadiz, (with the Minister's concurrence) +to make the purchase, and he has several weeks been +waiting for these orders.</p> + +<p>General Gates is defeated, and Mr Laurens in the +Tower. Our sky in this quarter is again darkened with +clouds not in my power to dispel.</p> + +<p>I had flattered myself with receiving before this time +some regulations respecting American seamen. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_386" id="Page_386">386</a></span></p> + +<p>The house of Le Couteulx have refused to continue +their care of them, or to advance more money on that account. +They complain that the American Captains under +various pretexts refuse to give them passages, without being +paid for them. This is cruel.</p> + +<p>The following are copies of their letter to me on the +subject, and my answer.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">LE COUTEULX & CO. TO JOHN JAY.</p> +<p class="letter_head">"Cadiz, October 3d, 1780.</p> +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"Our supplies for the American sailors amount at this +day to —— We will continue to render them every +service in our power, but will confess to you ingenuously, +that if you do not furnish us with an order from Congress, +by which you empower us to oblige all American Captains, +who come here, to take a certain number of people, in +proportion to their bulk, free of passage, and afterwards so +many more on paying them a certain sum for their provisions, +we can advance nothing; as all the Captains who +come here never fail of showing good motives for not taking +any of their fellow countrymen, without paying them a +passage, which forces us to let the people go on board neutral +vessels; and instead of fulfilling your views of sending +them back as soon as possible, this is a means by which +they get still further from it, and a great many engage in +the English service."</p> +</div> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title"> +TO LE COUTEULX & CO.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, October 15th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>"I have been honored with your favor of the 3d instant, +and am much obliged by your attention to the letter it enclosed. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_387" id="Page_387">387</a></span> +You were not mistaken in supposing that the +handwriting was mine. That letter was enclosed in one +for Mr Harrison, and sent under cover to you.</p> + +<p>"It gives me concern to find that you have so much +trouble with American seamen, and I much lament that it +is not in my power to comply with the terms on which +alone you incline to continue it. I have written more than +once to Congress on the subject, and submitted to their +consideration the propriety of establishing proper regulations +for the conduct of that business, but as yet I have +received none. I presume that their attention has been so +engaged by other matters of higher and more pressing importance, +as not to have had leisure for making these arrangements. +The refusal of American Captains to give +passages to their unfortunate countrymen is certainly unkind. +I shall communicate to Congress, and I hope +proper measures will be taken to remove that obstacle. +At any rate, however, I cannot leave these unhappy captives +friendless, in a strange country. The unfeeling treatment +of the Captains rather stimulates than represses my +commiseration, and, therefore, Gentlemen, as it is not +convenient to you to proceed in your care of them, but on +terms not in my power to comply with, I find myself reduced +to the necessity of requesting that favor from others. +For this purpose I have written to Mr Harrison of your +city, and proposed his undertaking it, and have desired +him in case he consented, to mention it to you. On that +event I must beg the favor of you to give him such information +and advice, as may be useful to him in the management +of those affairs. Be pleased also to liquidate your +accounts with him; they shall be paid without further +delay. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_388" id="Page_388">388</a></span></p> + +<p>"The attention and kind offices you have regularly paid +to Americans, and the personal civilities that myself and +family experienced from you, while at Cadiz, will always +continue to excite my warmest acknowledgments, and lead +me to omit no opportunity of convincing you of the esteem +and regard, with which I am, Gentlemen, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>I have before mentioned to Congress my difficulties as +to correspondence. They continue, and I am obliged to +give Colonel Livingston the trouble of carrying this letter +to Bilboa, and delivering it with his own hands to the Captain +of some American vessel. Congress might have letters +from me every month, if orders were given to the +Captains of the vessels bringing despatches for me, to send +a trusty officer with them to me. I know that all are +opened, and some suppressed, and I can think of no other +way of avoiding these inconveniences. It is important that +our correspondence be uninterrupted.</p> + +<p>I have written very particularly, perhaps more so than +may be prudent, but as I think it my duty, I pay no regard +to consequences. If Congress will be equally well satisfied +with less minute information, I wish to be told so, that their +direction on this head may govern me in future. I cannot +forbear again observing, that few of their proceedings remain +long secret. I have very good authority for saying +that copies of the letters, which passed between the Committee +and the late Commissioners in France, are now in +the hands of a certain foreigner. How he got them I do +not know, but such is the fact, and in my opinion it calls +for more care in future.</p> + +<p>If my letters meet with the same fate, my remaining here +will become a useless expense to my country. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_389" id="Page_389">389</a></span></p> + +<p>I think I have written everything material to enable +Congress to know the exact state of their affairs here. If, +however, there should be any questions to which an answer +would be agreeable to Congress, I wish to be informed of +them; for since I left America, I have made it a rule to be +always in a capacity to render a reason for every part of +my conduct, and state with accuracy every fact relative +to it.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_25" id="Footnote_25"></a><a href="#FNanchor_25"><span class="label">[25]</span></a> A full account of Mr Cumberland's proceedings in Spain may +be found in his <i>Memoirs</i> published many years afterwards.</p></div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, November 30th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Your Excellency will receive herewith enclosed certain +papers from Morocco, viz.</p> + +<p><i>No. 1.</i> Containing a letter of the 21st of April last, to +me from Audibert Caille, who styles himself the "Consul +appointed by the Emperor for such foreign nations as have +none of their own in his dominions, to protect the strangers +who may come to traffic in his ports pursuant to two proclamations +published last year."</p> + +<p><i>No. 2.</i> My answer.</p> + +<p><i>No. 3.</i> Copy of M. Audibert's appointment.</p> + +<p><i>No. 4.</i> Copy of a declaration of the Emperor, 20th of +February, 1778.</p> + +<p><i>No. 5.</i> A letter from M. Audibert Caille to Congress of +6th of September, 1779. Also, six printed copies of M. +Audibert Caille's certificates.</p> + +<p>These papers ought to have been sent with my letters of +May last, but recollecting as I was then about to put them +up, that if the originals should be lost on the passage, it +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_390" id="Page_390">390</a></span> +might be difficult to obtain others, I thought it most prudent +to detain them to be copied, and wait for some other +opportunity of getting them to the sea; none has, however, +since occurred, and I did not think them of sufficient +importance to render it necessary that either Mr Carmichael +or Colonel Livingston should carry them to one of +the sea ports.</p> + +<p>It is proper that your Excellency should be informed, +that on the 8th instant I had a conference with the Minister +at the Escurial, in which I received many good <i>words</i> +and friendly assurances, but time only can decide how +they will terminate. I received a letter yesterday from +Mr Harrison, of the 24th instant, and then no orders had +arrived about the clothing. These delays may seem singular, +but they are not uncommon. Mr Cumberland is +still here. The French and English fleets are at sea.</p> + +<p>Although appearances are not very flattering at present, +I hope they will in time become more so. Patience, prudence, +and perseverance, sometimes effect much. It is +in my opinion very important that no dissatisfaction be expressed +in America at the conduct of Spain. Complaint +and disgust can answer no good purpose, but may be productive +of many disagreeable consequences. A cautious +silence is the more necessary, as I am confident that there +are persons in America, who would make a merit of collecting +and transmitting the sentiments of Congress, or +<i>members</i> of Congress, on subjects interesting to the views +and objects of persons in power here.</p> + +<p>Colonel Livingston would have returned this fall at the +expiration of the term expressed in his leave of absence, had +I not taken the liberty of advising him to remain, and taken +upon myself to adjust this matter with Congress. As he +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_391" id="Page_391">391</a></span> +is employed, and industrious in obtaining knowledge, which +may enable him to be useful in future to his country, I +must join with him in requesting that Congress will be so +kind as to extend his leave of absence to such further +period as may be agreeable to them.</p> + +<p>The enclosed paper marked No. 6, is a copy of a State +of the Revenues and Expenditures of Spain, in the year +1778. It was formed by a Secretary to one of the embassies, +and a copy of it was given to Mr Carmichael. I +received it the last day of July, and had no safe opportunity +of sending it before. What credit may be due to this +account I cannot determine, and I have reason to think +that there are few men in the kingdom who can. This +government, disposed to concealment and mystery in most +matters, will not probably permit an accurate knowledge +of their revenues to be easily attained. This account is +perhaps as near the truth as any other. The gentleman, it +is said, took much pains in forming it, and it also met with +the approbation of some foreign Ministers; but how far +those Ministers were judges of the subject I am uninformed. +The remarks subjoined to this account are Mr +Carmichael's, and were added to the copy I received from +him.</p> + +<p>I send copies of several letters, which passed between +Messrs de Neufville and Son, of Amsterdam, and myself, +relative to the bills drawn on Mr Laurens.<a name="FNanchor_26" id="FNanchor_26" href="#Footnote_26" class="fnanchor">[26]</a> The conduct +of that House has been so friendly and disinterested, that I +think Congress should be particularly informed of it, and +by taking proper notice of it, induce others to follow the +example.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_26" id="Footnote_26"></a><a href="#FNanchor_26"><span class="label">[26]</span></a> These have been inserted in the order of their several dates.</p> +</div></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_392" id="Page_392">392</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>No. 1.<br /> +FROM D'AUDIBERT CAILLE TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">Aranjues, April 21st, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>By order of his Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, I +wrote on the 6th of September in the last year to the Congress +of the United States of North America, by way of +his Excellency Dr Franklin, their Plenipotentiary at the +Court of France, to inform them of the pacific intentions +of that sovereign.</p> + +<p>Not having yet received any answer on their part, I fear +they have not received my letter, and by way of precaution, +send your Excellency herewith joined an open copy, +that after perusing it, you may make such use of it as you +may think proper. I also send you a copy of the two +manifests therein mentioned, as well as a translation of the +patent of the consuls for foreign nations, with which his +Majesty the Emperor has been pleased to honor me, and +some copies of the certificates which he ordered me to +give to the captains of ships, which sail under his flag.</p> + +<p>I wish, Sir, that you may receive all these papers with +pleasure, and I request your Excellency to honor me with +an answer, that I may be able to convince his Majesty, the +Emperor of Morocco, that I have executed the commission +he gave me to make known to Congress, that the subjects +of the said United States might come and traffic under +their own flags, in the ports of the empire of Morocco, in +the like manner as they formerly did under the English +flag.</p> + +<p>Before I had the commission to write to Congress I had +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_393" id="Page_393">393</a></span> +already written on this subject to his Excellency Dr Franklin, +and I offered to interest myself cheerfully in establishing +a good understanding between his Majesty, the Emperor +of Morocco, and the Northern United States.</p> + +<p>In case that Congress should be equally well pleased +to be at peace with his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, +it will be proper to instruct the captains of American armed +ships to let freely pass all ships sailing under the flag of his +Majesty, the Emperor, and will be provided with a certificate +similar to the within mentioned copies.</p> + +<p>I shall probably be obliged to remain here some days; +as soon as my business shall be despatched, I shall set out +for Cadiz, and from thence go to Salé, the place of my +residence.</p> + +<p>Whenever your Excellency may be pleased to honor me +with your orders, you may address your letters to Messrs +Paul Greppi, Azarino, and Company, merchants at Cadiz, +who will take care to forward them to me.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am with profound respect, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">D'AUDIBERT CAILLE.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>No. 2.<br /> +TO D'AUDIBERT CAILLE.</h3> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Your favor of the 21st day of April, 1780, with the +papers enclosed in it, has come safe to hand.</p> + +<p>The declaration of his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, +does honor to his liberality and wisdom, and I shall with +great pleasure transmit the copy of it, as well as of the +other papers enclosed with it, to his Excellency the President +of Congress. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_394" id="Page_394">394</a></span></p> + +<p>Although I have no particular instructions on the subject, +yet the knowledge I have of the sentiments of Congress +enables me to give assurances of their disposition to +cultivate peace and harmony with all nations. I am persuaded +that his Majesty's declaration will be very agreeable +to them, and that a correspondent conduct on their +part towards the subjects of Morocco, will convince him of +the truth of these assurances. I am much obliged to you +for this mark of attention, and I flatter myself that by +extending your good offices to such Americans as may resort +to the ports of Morocco, they will have reason to consider +you among the number of their friends.</p> + +<p>Should anything interesting to America occur in Morocco, +I request the favor of you to communicate it.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>No. 3.<br /> + +COPY OF M. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE'S APPOINTMENT.</h3> + +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p>Copy of a French translation of a writing in Arabic, the +most authentic of those that are written at the Court of his +Majesty the Emperor of Morocco.</p> + +<p>"Let the name of the only God be praised; there is +neither wisdom nor power but what proceeds from the +Lord most high and most mighty.</p> + +<p>"We make known by this our present and generous +writing, that we have appointed the Christian, D'Audibert +Caille, who is the bearer hereof, to officiate as consul for all +those nations who have no consuls in our dominion, and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_395" id="Page_395">395</a></span> +who are, the empire of Germany, Russia, Prussia, Naples, +Sardinia, Rome, Tuscany, the States of America, Genoa, +Ragusa, Hamburg, Lubec, and Dantzic; all of whom +may come into our ports, and each of them there traffic +under the flag of his nation, such as it may be. The said +consul will assist them, by our order, in whatever may be +useful to them in like manner as the other consuls do towards +the subjects of their nations. And all the officers +and governors of our ports will acknowledge him for a +consul as they do the other consuls, and whichsoever of +the said nations shall come into our ports, they shall not be +molested by any of our officers or commandants whatsoever, +of our ports. To all our captains whom we shall +order to cruise by sea, the said consul will give a passport, +and we renew our order to him to hoist the flag of peace +at his house, without being therein opposed by anybody. +He may also hoist it in any port whatever, where he may +have a house of commerce, and he shall be mediator between +us and the said nations, because we esteem him. +Given the 8th of the moon of Alcahda, 1193. (1st of November, +1779.)"</p> + +<p class="signed">Signed by the Emperor.</p></div> + +<p>We, Stephen d'Audibert Caille, a French merchant +resident at Salé, appointed by his Majesty, the Emperor +of Morocco, consul of those foreign nations who have +none in his dominions to protect them in that capacity +on all occasions, and to be mediator between him and +those nations, certify to all whom it may concern, that +the above copy is conformable to the original, compared +by Don Miguel Cassori, the interpreter of his Catholic +Majesty. In faith of which we sign the present certificate, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_396" id="Page_396">396</a></span> +sealed with the seal of the consulate of peace at Salé. +Done at Aranjues, where I happen to be in passing, the +21st of April, 1780.</p> + +<p class="signed">S. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>No. 4.<br /> +Translation.</h3> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_subtitle"> +<i>Copy of the Declaration, which his Majesty the Emperor +of Morocco (whom God preserve) orders to be notified +to all the Consuls and Christian Merchants, who reside +in the Ports of Tangier, Salé, and Mogadore, dated the +20th of February, 1778.</i></p> + +<p> +"That in future all vessels, which carry Russian, German, +Prussian, Hungarian, Neapolitan, Sardinian, Tuscanian, +Genoese, Maltese, or American flags, may freely +enter into the ports of his dominions; and in consequence +of his determination, he has given orders to the commanders +of his vessels, that they let freely pass, all ships and +other vessels carrying the said flags without molesting +them. To the end, that they may arrive at his ports, take +refreshments, and enjoy in them the same privileges and +immunities, with those of the other nations with whom +his Imperial Majesty maintains peace." +</p> +</div> + +<p>I, the underwritten, employed by his Imperial Majesty +for foreign affairs, certify, that the contents of the preceding +declaration are conformable to the truth. And in faith +thereof, I sign this present certificate. At Salé, the 30th +of October, 1779.</p> + +<p class="signed">PEDRO UMBERT.</p> +<div class="thought_break"></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_397" id="Page_397">397</a></span></p> + +<p>We, Stephen d'Audibert Caille, a French merchant +residing at Salé, appointed by his Majesty, the Emperor +of Morocco, to be consul of the foreign nations who have +none in his dominions to protect them in that capacity on +all occasions, and to be mediator between him and those nations, +certify, whom it may concern, that the said Don +Pedro Umbert, who has signed the above certificate, is +employed for foreign affairs at the Court of Morocco, and +that in the said quality faith is to be given to his signature. +In witness whereof we sign these presents, sealed with the +seal of the consulate of peace, at Salé, the 1st of December, +1779.</p> + +<p class="signed">S. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>No. 5.<br /> +D'AUDIBERT CAILLE TO CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">Salé, September 6th, 1779.</p> + +<p>In quality of a French merchant, who has resided in this +town since the year 1773, and whom his Majesty, the Emperor +of Morocco, has lately named consul for those foreign +nations who have none in his dominions to protect the strangers +who might come to traffic in his ports, in pursuance of +the two manifestoes which he published last year, I have +the honor to inform your Excellencies, that it is his intention +to be at peace with the United States of North America, +and that their subjects can come to trade freely in his ports +under American colors, with the like safety with those of +the principal maritime powers in Europe who enjoy peace +with him. Besides the good reception, which the governors +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_398" id="Page_398">398</a></span> +of the ports of this empire will give to the subjects of +the United States of North America, I will on my part +render them all the services, which may depend upon +me as consul for those foreign nations who have none, +and as being charged to invite them to come and traffic +freely in these ports, in like manner as they formerly did +under the English flag.</p> + +<p>In order that I may be able to convince his Majesty, +the Emperor of Morocco, that I have executed the commission +he gave me to write as above to the Congress, I +entreat your Excellencies to be pleased to honor me with +an answer. If you think proper to write at the same time +to his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, relative to what I +have written to you on his part, I will take care to obtain +a very satisfactory answer; and I offer to interest myself +very willingly, as far as may depend upon me, that a treaty +of peace may be made between his Majesty, the Emperor +of Morocco, and the United States of North America, +nearly similar to those which the principal maritime powers +have with him.</p> + +<p>That this letter may the more safely pass to you, I address +it to his Excellency Dr Franklin, your Plenipotentiary +with his Most Christian Majesty. Your Excellencies +may answer me through the same channel, or directly by +the way of Cadiz, addressing your letter to the Sieurs Paul +Grippi, Azarino, and Company. My address is, to Stephen +d'Audibert Caille, consul for those foreign nations who +have none in the dominions of his Majesty the Emperor of +Morocco, residing at Salé, or simply "to D'Audibert, Santigo, +and Company," which is that of my house of commerce.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, with the most profound respect, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_399" id="Page_399">399</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>No. 6.</h3> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>General State of the Revenues and Expenses of Spain in +the Year 1778.</i></p> + +<p class="embed_title">REVENUES.</p> + +<div class="center"> +<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" summary="Spanish Revenues"> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td class="ct">Reals de vel.</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Provincial duties,</td><td class="rt">70,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Duties on tobacco,</td><td class="rt">55,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Duties on salt,</td><td class="rt">20,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Duties on wool,</td><td class="rt">17,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">General duties,</td><td class="rt">48,060,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Duties on brandy,</td><td class="rt">4,525,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">2 per cent duty on the Octrois, former grants</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"> of the Crown,</td><td class="rt">500,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Taxes on the houses in Madrid,</td><td class="rt">1,200,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">1. King's domain in the Serrara,</td><td class="rt">140,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Post office and couriers,</td><td class="rt">34,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Tax on cards,</td><td class="rt">1,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Stamp paper,</td><td class="rt">4,312,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Tax on the taverns in Madrid,</td><td class="rt">196,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Various revenues farmed,</td><td class="rt">6,418,552</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">2 Manufacture of glass at St Ildefonso,</td><td class="rt">1,500,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">3 Manufactures of St Ferdinando and</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"> Guaudalaxa,</td><td class="rt">1,800,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Extraordinary effects,</td><td class="rt">35,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Books of Advocates and Attorneys,</td><td class="rt">62,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Fines in the chamber of Castille,</td><td class="rt">72,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Effects in the same chamber,</td><td class="rt">786,800</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Tax on the Grand Masters,</td><td class="rt">1,800,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Do. arising from the secular annals and</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"> vacancies,</td><td class="rt">1,300,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Royal lottery,</td><td class="rt">4,500,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Cruzada,</td><td class="rt">20,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">4 Effects of the kingdom of Navarre,</td><td class="rt">47,500,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">American revenue<a name="FNanchor_27" id="FNanchor_27" href="#Footnote_27" class="fnanchor">[27]</a>,</td><td class="rt">200,600,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Clergy,</td><td class="rt">13,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td class="rt">—-—-—-—</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td class="rt">562,273,152</td></tr> +</table></div> +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_400" id="Page_400">400</a></span></p> + +<p class="embed_title">EXPENSES.</p> + +<div class="center"> +<table border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" summary="Spanish Expenses"> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td align="right"> Reals de vel.</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">The Court<a name="FNanchor_28" id="FNanchor_28" href="#Footnote_28" class="fnanchor">[28]</a>,</td><td class="rt">108,500,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">5 Land forces,</td><td class="rt">204,202,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">6 Marine,</td><td class="rt">100,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Secretary of the Indies,</td><td class="rt">8,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Department of Finance,</td><td class="rt">4,500,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">Favers and justice,</td><td class="rt">1,100,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">To support the tribunals,</td><td class="rt">8,422,769</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">7 Secretary of state and foreign affairs,</td><td class="rt">9,873,288</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt">8 Extraordinary expenses,</td><td class="rt">30,000,000</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td class="rt">—-—-—-—</td></tr> +<tr><td class="lt"></td><td class="rt">474,598,251</td></tr> +</table></div> + +<p>I subjoin the result of my inquiries touching the articles +marked No. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.</p> + +<p>No. 1, 2, 3. The sums mentioned in the preceding +statement as arising from the revenues numbered as above +may be deducted, as concurrent testimony induces me to +believe, that the expenses consume near the whole of the +revenue.</p> + +<p>No. 4. I have been also assured, that this article is +much exaggerated.</p> + +<p>No. 5. The expenses of this establishment have greatly +increased, but I have not been able to ascertain the sum. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_401" id="Page_401">401</a></span></p> + +<p>No. 6. I have heard from good authority, that the expenses +of the marine in 1776 amounted to one hundred +and twentyfour millions of reals, owing to the expedition +against Portuguese America. In 1777 they amounted to +eightyeight millions of reals, and in 1779 to near four +hundred millions of reals; which information induces me +to conclude, that there were great arrears of the expenses +of 1778, or that the estimate for that year is not exact.</p> + +<p>No. 7, 8. The expenses of these departments have +greatly augmented.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTES:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_27" id="Footnote_27"></a><a href="#FNanchor_27"><span class="label">[27]</span></a> The American revenue is difficult to ascertain from this circumstance; +that not arriving regularly and annually, it is necessary to +have the receipts for several years to be able to form an exact calculation +of the modium communibus annis.</p></div> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_28" id="Footnote_28"></a><a href="#FNanchor_28"><span class="label">[28]</span></a> The birth of the Infant has increased the Court expenses.</p> +</div></div> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, November 30th, 1780.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>I have had the honor of receiving from you a letter of +the 16th of June, and another of the 12th of July, 1780, +with the several papers mentioned in them. With respect +to the subjects of the first, you will find them fully discussed +in my letter to the President of Congress, which +will accompany this. The description of the bills will, I +hope, answer good purposes.</p> + +<p>How far the resolution, which immediately follows the +one respecting Mr Dohrman, can be fully executed, is hard +to determine. Had I funds necessary for the purpose, I +should meet with few difficulties. The measure is a wise +one, and my attention to it shall be unremitted. In a future +letter I shall say more on this subject; as yet nothing has +had time to ripen.</p> + +<p>I must request your attention to the necessity of putting +your correspondence with the public servants in Europe +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_402" id="Page_402">402</a></span> +on a better footing. I am now at the expense of sending +Colonel Livingston to the sea side with my despatches, +with orders to wait for American vessels, and deliver them +to the Captain with his own hands. I receive no letters +by the post, but with marks of inspection, and after much +delay. Some that I write never come to hand, and I +know of letters having arrived from America for me, which +I have never seen, and never expect to see. I know of +but one man at the sea ports whom I can confide in, viz. +Mr Harrison, at Cadiz. I cannot even find a courier, that +I can depend on. Is it not time for America like other +nations to provide against these inconveniences by proper +regulations and establishments? Would it not be well to +have American agents or consuls in one or more of the +ports of France and Spain? Public despatches might be +sent by packet boats, or other vessels to these agents, and +should on no account be delivered to any other person; +the agents might be ordered to send them to the Courts, to +which they may be directed, by a trusty American; one +of the officers of the ship, for example; and he should be +ordered to wait for, and return with, the despatches of the +Minister.</p> + +<p>Would it not also be proper to provide for the safe conduct +of letters to Congress after their arrival in America? +I have reason not only to suspect, but to believe, that certain +persons in America are attentive to these matters, and +care should be taken to keep American letters out of their +way.</p> + +<p>This is an important subject and merits attention. For +my own part I find several persons here, who have more +intelligence from America than myself; and it is the more +mortifying when considered, that they are probably often +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_403" id="Page_403">403</a></span> +indebted for their information to the contents of letters +directed to me.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">In Congress, February 15th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Congress having since their instructions to you of the +29th of September, 1779, and 4th of October, 1780, +relative to the claim of the United States to the free navigation +of the river Mississippi, and to a free port or ports +below the thirtyfirst degree of north latitude, resumed the +consideration of that subject, and being desirous to manifest +to all the world, and particularly to his Catholic Majesty, +the moderation of their views, the high value they +place on the friendship of his Catholic Majesty, and their +disposition to remove every reasonable obstacle to his accession +to the alliance subsisting between his Most Christian +Majesty and these United States, in order to unite the +more closely in their measures and operations three powers +who have so great a unity of interests, and thereby to +compel the common enemy to a speedy, just, and honorable +peace; have resolved, and you are hereby instructed +to recede from the instructions above referred to, so far as +they insist on the free navigation of that part of the river +Mississippi, which lies below the thirtyfirst degree of north +latitude, and on a free port or ports below the same; provided +such cession shall be unalterably insisted upon by +Spain; and provided the free navigation of the said river, +above the said degree of north latitude, shall be acknowledged +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_404" id="Page_404">404</a></span> +and guarantied by his Catholic Majesty to the citizens +of the United States in common with his own subjects. +It is the order of Congress, at the same time, that +you exert every possible effort to obtain from his Catholic +Majesty the use of the river aforesaid, with a free port or +ports below the said thirtyfirst degree of north latitude for +the citizens of the United States, under such regulations +and restrictions only, as may be a necessary safeguard +against illicit commerce.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed_long">SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, <i>President</i>.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO JOHN JAY</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">February 20th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>The President sends you instructions passed in Congress +the 15th.</p> + +<p>Personally, I am mortified that no letters from you since +September 16th have reached us. We have not waited +for the minute information promised in yours of that date, +nor have we received any notice of your receipt of our instructions +of October 4th, before we discussed anew the +old subject. There has been unfair dealing with your despatches. +I apprehend that we are allowed to see only +sentiments somewhat different from yours. Perhaps the +enclosed memorandum may be some clue to your scrutiny.</p> + +<p>On the 10th of January, Congress resolved to establish +an office for foreign affairs, which I hope will make your +station more easy and reputable. I wish most earnestly to +have a choice made of the secretary, to whom I may deliver +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_405" id="Page_405">405</a></span> +all the papers in my possession connected with his +duty.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Sir, your friend and humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JAMES LOVELL,<br /> + <i>For the Committee</i>.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">March 9th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>You will herewith receive gazettes and journals, also a +resolve respecting the complete ratification of the articles +binding the Thirteen States as a confederated body. The +delay of that business appears now like all the other circumstances +of our rise and growth; for the present is +really the best of all times for that particular event. Our +enemies have been ripening themselves for this capital +<i>mentitis</i>.</p> + +<p>We have no letters from you or Mr Carmichael later +than those mentioned in my last, a copy of which attends +this.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Sir, your friend and humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JAMES LOVELL.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, March 22d, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I ought, and wish to write your Excellency a long +letter, but not by the post. The French fleet is not yet +sailed. It will, in my opinion, be late in the summer before +the fleet at Rhode Island will be reinforced. This +Court has promised me one hundred and fifty thousand +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_406" id="Page_406">406</a></span> +dollars. Some clothing is now shipping on account of +Congress from Cadiz.</p> + +<p>Russia has offered her mediation to England and the +States-General. The latter have accepted it. The answer +of the former (if given) is not known here. If she +should refuse, Russia will probably take part with the +Dutch; if she accepts, she will doubtless be obliged +either to agree to terms consistent with the armed neutrality, +or continue the war. The consequences of either are +obvious.</p> + +<p>M. Necker has published a state of the French finances, +much to his honor and their credit. Perhaps a complimentary +order to translate and publish it would be useful.</p> + +<p>Mr Cumberland will set out on his return, through +France, in a few days.</p> + +<p>This letter is intended to go by Captain Trask, from +Bilboa. I am told he will sail much sooner than had been +given out, and that unless my letters go by this evening's +post, they would arrive too late. Hence I am obliged to +write in haste, and say little, there being no time for +cyphers. I have received some letters from your Excellency. +Their dates shall be mentioned another time.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, April 25th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I have had the honor of receiving your Excellency's +letters of the 6th and 17th of October last, with the enclosures. +They arrived the 30th day of January last. There +is more than reason to suspect, that the French Court +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_407" id="Page_407">407</a></span> +were apprised of their contents before they arrived, and to +believe that the construction of the treaty, by which the +navigation of the Mississippi is supposed to be comprehended +in the guarantee, does not correspond with their +ideas on that subject. This Court continues pertinaciously +to insist on our ceding that navigation, nor will they, as +yet, listen to any middle line. Whether this be their +real motive for declining a treaty with us at present, or +whether the bills drawn upon me have inspired an expectation +of profiting by our necessities, or whether they +flatter themselves with a future majority of Congress on +that point, or whether they choose, by continuing free +from engagements with us, to be better enabled to improve +to their advantage the casualties of the war, are questions +which still remain undecided. Indeed, the movements of +this Court in general, when compared with the great rules +of national policy applicable to their situation, is so inexplicable, +that I should not be surprised, if it should appear in +future, that they had no fixed system whatever.</p> + +<p>My last particular letter informed your Excellency, that +having, in September last, been told that his Majesty +could not advance us any money, but could be responsible +for a loan to the amount of one hundred and fifty thousand +dollars, I determined to continue accepting the bills, to +attempt the loan, and by a representation of my situation +to the French Court, endeavor to save the necessity of +protesting them for non-payment.</p> + +<p>I tried to borrow here on the security of this responsibility, +but without the least success. I attempted it in +France, but it would not do. I made the like attempt in +Holland, and a gleam of hope appearing there, I was about +improving it, when a letter from America informed me, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_408" id="Page_408">408</a></span> +that Mr Adams was authorised to execute the business, +which had been committed to Mr Laurens. I had heard +before of his being in Holland, but did not know the object +which had called him there. Several letters passed between +Messrs De Neufville and myself on the subject of +this loan. The following is a copy of my last to them +about it.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<h3>TO DE NEUFVILLLE & SON.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, January 8th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Gentlemen,</p> + +<p>"I have had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the +4th ult. together with the one referred to in it.</p> + +<p>"England has, it seems, declared war against the United +Provinces, and that in a style of such eminent superiority, +as I am persuaded will remind your countrymen, that the +United Netherlands are not comprehended among the territories +depending on the Crown of Great Britain.</p> + +<p>"The English Ministry, by charging the States with +having acted under French influence, intend to alarm their +national pride, and, by making Holland the particular object +of their resentment, to sow the seeds of dissensions +among them, and render that most important Province +obnoxious to the others. The tone of the whole declaration +is that of a nation going rather to give correction to +disobedient vassals, than to war upon a free and independent +people. It could have been assumed only upon a +persuasion, that the same supposed timidity, to which they +ascribed the long forbearance of the Dutch under multiplied +insults and injuries, would, on this ostentatious display +of terror, reduce them to the humiliating measure of +imploring forgiveness for having acted like freemen, and +purchasing peace at the expense of their honor and liberty. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_409" id="Page_409">409</a></span> +Every other nation must expect better things of you, and +can never believe, that the present generation will want +firmness to assert the rights and vindicate the honor of a +Republic, which owes its very existence to the glorious +spirit and magnanimity of its ancestors.</p> + +<p>"It gives me great satisfaction to hear that Mr Adams +has conversed with you on the subject of a loan, and I am +persuaded that business will be much advanced by it. +The impropriety of two loans at a time is evident. My +chief motive in proposing one at the time I did was, that +no time might be lost by the absence of Mr Laurens, in +prosecuting a measure, which appeared to me highly useful +to my country. I have no views or objects separate from +her, and, provided she is effectually served, I am well content +that the honor of doing it should devolve on others. +As the management of our affairs in your country is committed +to Mr Adams, I request the favor of you to give +him all the aid in your power. When that gentleman went +to Holland, I was ignorant of the business which called +him thither; and the first knowledge I had of it was from +America, long after Mr Laurens's capture. It cannot now +be necessary, that my name should appear in the affair of +the proposed loan, but should it be in my power to be useful, +Mr Adams may rely upon my zealous endeavors to +promote that, and every other measure for the public good. +Indeed, as matters now stand, delicacy forbids me to interfere +further than as a mere auxiliary to Mr Adams, to +whom, and to whose affairs I beg you to extend the influence +of that generous regard for America, which has +placed you so high in the esteem of</p> + +<p class="indent1">"Gentlemen, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY." +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_410" id="Page_410">410</a></span></p> +</div> +<p>My last particular despatches contained a copy of my +letter to Count de Vergennes, requesting his aid. I received +from Count de Montmorin an extract of a letter +he had received from the Minister on that subject, in +which he mentions the advances made to Dr Franklin, +and the improbability of his being able to assist me, but +concluded with saying, he would do his best. Shortly +after, I received a letter from Count de Vergennes, which +left me without hopes of succor from that quarter, except +that Dr Franklin promised to accept my drafts to the +amount of twentyfive thousand dollars.</p> + +<p>In December following, I had a long and interesting +conference with Count de Florida Blanca, the particulars +of which it is not necessary minutely to enumerate by this +opportunity. He expressly promised me one hundred +and fifty thousand dollars. As the bills afterwards became +due, I applied for money to pay them, and received it to +the amount of thirtyfour thousand eight hundred and eighty +dollars.</p> + +<p>On the 15th of March I sent him a list of the bills payable +in April, which amounted to eightynine thousand and +eightythree dollars.</p> + +<p>On the 25th, I was informed that the payment of this +sum could not then be possibly made, but that the balance +due on the one hundred and fifty thousand dollars promised, +should be paid in the course of six months.</p> + +<p>I communicated this matter to the Ambassador of +France, and I must do him the justice to say, that his conduct +on this occasion merits our thanks. All he could +obtain from this Court was, that the amount of the April +bills should be paid me in six equal monthly payments. +This arrangement still leaving me unprovided with the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_411" id="Page_411">411</a></span> +means of satisfying the approaching demands, the Ambassador +made personal application to a rich banker here, and +on his personal credit and my consenting that the aforesaid +six monthly payments should be applied to the repayment, +obtained a loan for me of the whole sum wanted for April. +I have passed my note for it, payable as soon as possible, +with interest at the rate of six per cent. But this provision +not extending beyond April, the fate of the bills payable +in the succeeding months still remained dubious. +That nothing in my power might be left undone, I sent on +the 1st of April an express to Dr Franklin representing to +him my true situation, and the injuries our credit would +sustain from the protest of a single bill drawn by order of +Congress. I desired him to communicate my letter to +Colonel Laurens, to whom I also wrote on the subject. +The express returned on the 19th instant, with a letter +from Dr Franklin, by which I am authorised to draw upon +him as occasion may require, to the amount of one hundred +and fortytwo thousand two hundred and twenty dollars, +towards paying the bills that become due between +May and September.</p> + +<p>My endeavors, however, to obtain further aids from +Spain, shall not be relaxed. They seem very desirous of +having the ships of the line, still unfinished on the stocks at +Boston and Portsmouth. I have written to your Excellency +on this subject, and have as yet received no answer. When +I consider that the state of our finances has so long prevented +the completing those ships, and the difficulties heretofore +experienced in providing for those in service; when +I recollect that the finishing and fitting out those ships will +bring money into our country, and probably prepare the +way for Spain's building more vessels in it, and lastly, when +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_412" id="Page_412">412</a></span> +I consider how much these ships seem to be an object, I +am almost prevailed upon to engage positively that Spain +shall have at least one of them at prime cost. To exercise +a power not clearly within the limits of those confided +to me, is a delicate and disagreeable business. This is +the first time I ever found myself disposed to hazard it, +and yet so many circumstances lead me to think, that the +public good would be promoted by the sale of these ships, +that in case I should be again pressed on this subject, I +believe I shall run the risk, from a persuasion that though +such conduct ought not to be approved or encouraged by +Congress, yet that when directed by the purest motives, +and for the best purpose, it may obtain forgiveness.</p> + +<p>Your Excellency will receive herewith enclosed a copy +of the invoice of prize clothing, taken by Admiral Cordova, +and presented by the Courts of France and Spain to Congress. +The Count de Montmorin was very much an +American on this occasion also. Mr Harrison, at Cadiz, +has my orders to ship these goods in different vessels to +America; part of them is now on the ocean, and the rest +will soon follow. Your Excellency will receive a letter of +advice with each parcel from Mr Harrison, of whom I have +a very good opinion. He charges no commission for doing +this business, being contented with the satisfaction of serving +his country.</p> + +<p>I have often mentioned to Congress the necessity of +more effectual provision for our captive seamen; for want +of money I cannot pay that attention to them, which their +misfortunes and usefulness demand. I am already greatly +in arrears on their account, and Mr Harrison, unless reimbursed, +must soon stop his hand.</p> + +<p>Portugal, though overawed by France and Spain, fears +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_413" id="Page_413">413</a></span> +and perhaps loves England; her conduct will be determined +by future events. The Minister here has promised +me to interpose the good offices of his Court with that of +Lisbon in our behalf. In time something good may result +from it. I have not received a line from Mr Dohrman; I +fear he is obliged to be very circumspect and cautious. +The letters herewith enclosed from Dr Franklin were left +open for my perusal, the short stay of my courier not +allowing time for copies to be made of the information conveyed +in and with them. The intercepted letters will be +found interesting. One of them ascertains the price paid +Arnold.</p> + +<p>I perceive that Dr Franklin desires to retire. This +circumstance calls upon me to assure Congress, that I have +reason to be perfectly satisfied with his conduct towards +me, and that I have received from him all the aid and +attention I could wish or expect. His character is very +high here, and I really believe that the respectability, which +he enjoys throughout Europe, has been of general use to +our cause and country.</p> + +<p>Your Excellency may rely on my cordially adopting and +pursuing any measures, that can conduce to the enlargement +of Mr Laurens, and I regret that no occasion has yet +offered in which I could do anything towards the attainment +of that desirable object.</p> + +<p>Mr Cumberland is on the road home. I much suspect +that he was sent and received, from mutual views in the +two Courts of deceiving each other. Which of them has +been most successful is hard to determine. I believe in +point of intelligence, England has had the advantage. As +to the assurances of the Minister on this subject, they are +all of little consequence, because on such occasions Courts +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_414" id="Page_414">414</a></span> +only say what may be convenient; and therefore may or +may not merit confidence. Time and circumstances will +cast more light on this subject.</p> + +<p>Whatever we may get from this Court is clear gain. +We have no demands upon it, and if we had, are not in a +capacity to insist upon them. In my opinion, therefore, it +is of the utmost importance to avoid appearances of discontent, +and rather to impress other nations with an opinion of +the friendship of Spain for us, than otherwise. Indeed, I +really believe the King means well towards us, and that +the Prime Minister is also well disposed; but whether as +much can be said of the Minister's confidential and I believe +influential secretary, M. Del Campo, is by no means +a clear point. It is proper that Congress should know, that +the gentleman intended to succeed M. Mirales was recommended +by M. Del Campo, with whom he has long been +on terms of intimacy and friendship.</p> + +<p>I have nevertheless no room to doubt of this gentleman's +attachment to our cause, though I am inclined to think his +conduct will be conformable in a certain degree with the +views of his patron. This ought to remain a secret. He +is still here, although he expects daily to be despatched.</p> + +<p>I represented the case of the Dover cutter to the Ministry +here the 22d of June last. In December I obtained a +promise that it should be appraised, and the value paid to +the captors, and two days ago I was again assured, that +measures were taking to bring this matter to a conclusion. +<i>Festina Lente</i> seems to be the first maxim in Spanish politics +and operations. It is the fashion of the country and +strangers must conform to it.</p> + +<p>I congratulate Congress on the victory obtained by General +Morgan, and the success of the French in the Chesapeake. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_415" id="Page_415">415</a></span> +The enclosed gazette contains much good news +from the East Indies. These events will probably give +Lord George Germain other ideas than those which appear +in his intercepted letters.</p> + +<p>M. Toscan, who goes to reside as Vice Consul of +France at Boston, will carry this letter to America, and +perhaps to Philadelphia. He was ready to set out when +my courier returned from France. I was obliged to delay +my letters till his arrival, and M. Toscan has been so obliging +as to wait till I could complete them.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">In Congress, May 28th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Your letter of the 6th of November last, detailing your +proceedings from the 26th of May down to that period, +has been received by the United States in Congress assembled. +At the same time was received your letter of +the 30th of November, with the several papers therein referred +to.</p> + +<p>It is with pleasure, Sir, I obey the direction of Congress +to inform you, that throughout the whole course of your +negotiations and transactions, in which the utmost address +and discernment were often necessary to reconcile the respect +due to the dignity of the United States with the +urgency of their wants, and the complaisance expected by +the Spanish Court, your conduct is entirely approved by +them. It is their instruction that you continue to acknowledge, +on all suitable occasions, the grateful impression +made on these States by the friendly disposition manifested +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_416" id="Page_416">416</a></span> +toward them by his Catholic Majesty, and particularly +by the proofs given of it in the measures which he has +taken, and which it is hoped he will further take, for preserving +their credit, and for aiding them with a supply of +clothing for their army. You are also authorised and +instructed to disavow, in the most positive and explicit +terms, any secret understanding or negotiation between the +United States and Great Britain; to assure his Catholic +Majesty, that such insinuations have no other source than +the invidious designs of the common enemy, and that as +the United States have the highest confidence in the honor +and good faith both of his Most Christian and of his Catholic +Majesty, so it is their inviolable determination to take +no step, which shall depart in the smallest degree from +their engagements with either.</p> + +<p>Should the Court of Spain persist in the refusal intimated +by its Minister to accede to the treaty between the +United States and his Most Christian Majesty, or to make +it the basis of its negotiation with you, the difficulty, it is +conceived, may easily be avoided by omitting all express +reference to that treaty, and at the same time conforming +to the principles and tenor of it; and you are accordingly +authorised so far to vary the plan of your original instructions. +As his Most Christian Majesty however may justly +expect, in a matter which so nearly concerns him, and +which was brought into contemplation in the treaty he so +magnanimously entered into with these States, the strongest +marks of attention and confidence, you will not fail to maintain, +in the several steps of your negotiation, a due communication +with his Minister at the Court of Spain, and to +include his interests as far as circumstances will warrant.</p> + +<p>You are authorised to acquaint his Catholic Majesty +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_417" id="Page_417">417</a></span> +that not only entire liberty will be granted, during the war +at least, to export naval stores for the royal marine, but +that every facility will be afforded for that purpose.</p> + +<p>As Congress have no control over the captains of private +vessels, however proper your hints may be of obliging +them to give a passage to American seamen returning +home from foreign ports, and to send an officer with despatches +intrusted to them for foreign Ministers, it is impracticable +to carry them into execution, you will therefore +continue to provide for these objects for the present, in +the best manner you can. As soon as the United States +are in condition to establish consuls in the principal ports of +the States with which they have intercourse, the difficulty +will be removed; or if any other practicable remedy be +suggested in the meantime, it will be applied.</p> + +<p>The letter, of which you enclose a copy, from Stephen +d'Audibert Caille, styling himself consul for unrepresented +nations at the Court of Morocco, had before been received +through the hands of Dr Franklin. If you shall have no +objection to the contrary, you will correspond with him, +and assure him in terms the most respectful to the Emperor, +that the United States in Congress assembled entertain +a sincere disposition to cultivate the most perfect +friendship with him, and that they will embrace a favorable +occasion to announce their wishes in form.</p> + +<p>The generous and critical services rendered these United +States by Messrs Neufville and Son, have recommended +them to the esteem and confidence of Congress. You will +signify as much to them, and that their services will not be +forgotten, whenever a proper occasion offers of promoting +their interests.</p> + +<p>Your intimation with respect to complimenting his Catholic +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_418" id="Page_418">418</a></span> +Majesty with a handsome, fast sailing packet-boat, +claims attention; but the variety of public embarrassments +will render the execution of it very uncertain.</p> + +<p>Congress agree to an extension of Colonel Livingston's +furlough, till the further order of Congress, which you will +make known to him.</p> + +<p>Your letter of the 16th of September last was received +on the 4th day of December. No bills have been drawn +on you since. That of the 28th of January was received +on the 27th day of April; and in consequence of it the +sale of the bills already drawn, but then remaining on hand, +was countermanded.</p> + +<p>By a letter from Mr Carmichael, dated the 22d of February, +and received on the 27th of April last, Congress +are informed that you had received despatches from them +dated in October. These must have contained their instructions +to you to adhere to the claim of the United +States to the navigation of the Mississippi. A reconsideration +of that subject determined Congress, on the 15th day +of February last, to recede from that instruction so far as +it insisted on their claim to the navigation of that river below +the thirtyfirst degree of north latitude, and to a free +port or ports below the same. On the receipt of this latter +instruction, Congress have little doubt that the great obstacle +to your negotiations will be removed, and that you will +not only be able without further delay to conclude the proposed +alliance with his Catholic Majesty, but that the liberality +and friendly disposition manifested on the part of the +United States by such a cession, will induce him to afford +them some substantial and effectual aid in the article of +money. The loss attending the negotiation of bills of exchange +has been severely felt. A supply of specie through +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_419" id="Page_419">419</a></span> +the Havana would be much more convenient and acceptable.</p> + +<p class="signed_long">SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, <i>President</i>.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Aranjues, May 29th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>My last to your Excellency was of the 25th ult. and +was the more particular, as Mr Toscan, who is appointed +Vice Consul of France at Boston, and was the bearer of +it; he sailed from Bilboa.</p> + +<p>On the 18th instant I received from Mr Lovell three +letters written on one sheet, viz. 20th of February, 9th and +31st of March last. No other copies of these letters ever +reached me. They arrived at Cadiz in the Virginia; but +the papers and journals said to accompany them never +came to my hands, nor have I received any letters from +your Excellency since January last.</p> + +<p>On the 23d instant I waited upon his Excellency, the +Count de Florida Blanca, and informed him of the facts +stated in the above memorial. He said, he had not as yet +heard anything upon the subject; that there was such an +ordinance, and that prudence demanded that the admission +of letters from abroad, especially in time of war, should +be under the direction of government. That the situation +of North America rendered new regulations necessary, +that he would turn his thoughts to it, and do what should +appear equitable. The next day I sent him Mr Harrison's +memorial in a letter on the subject of it.</p> + +<p>As this letter will go by the post, I must omit being +minute about many matters, which I wish to communicate +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_420" id="Page_420">420</a></span> +to Congress. Cyphers would probably impede the progress +of this letter, if not stop it.</p> + +<p>The captors of the Dover cutter still remain unsatisfied. +My first memorial on that subject was dated and presented +the 22d of June last. In the winter I was promised, that +the prize should be appraised, and the value paid. At +present I am assured that informations about it are taking.</p> + +<p>M. Gardoqui, it is said, will set out in June. If a safe +conveyance, which I am encouraged to expect in about +a fortnight's time, should offer, I shall write your Excellency +a long letter, and mention the dates of my former +ones. If not, I shall take another method, not proper to +explain in this letter, which, notwithstanding its different +covers, will, I doubt not, be inspected before it reaches +Cadiz.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, June 4th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>I enclose a resolve of Congress, of May 24th, respecting +an interest of Messrs Dumain and Lyon, with their petition +annexed. I also add the copy of a resolve of September +the 27th, 1780, and of a short letter of mine to a gentleman +in Teneriffe, to serve as a memorandum in case you +have not already procured justice for Mr Magnall and his +associates, who took the Dover cutter. Mr McCarrick +of Santa Cruz is knowing to all the circumstances of that +affair. Magnall has been unfortunate from the time he +left this place last October; he is now here. I do not +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_421" id="Page_421">421</a></span> +know whether this is the matter referred to in the letter of +Mr Carmichael of December 24th, where he says, "The +Minister also engaged to do justice to certain Americans, +who carried a British privateer to the Canaries." I send +you an extract from instructions given to Dr Franklin concerning +M. d'Audibert Caille, which may serve to govern +your conduct towards that gentleman.</p> + +<p class="indent1">Your humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JAMES LOVELL.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, June 15th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>On the 4th I transmitted to you a resolve of May 24th, +respecting an interest of Messrs Dumain and Lyon, with +their petition annexed. You will herewith receive other +copies of those papers by opportunities, which the party +concerned will industriously find. I recommend the business +afresh to your attention, those worthy men having +already met with vexatious delays on this side of the +water.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With much esteem I am, Sir, your friend,</p> + +<p class="signed">JAMES LOVELL.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, July 4th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>The derangement of our money affairs, the enormity of +our public expenditures, the confusion in all our departments, +the languor of our general system, the complexity +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_422" id="Page_422">422</a></span> +and consequent inefficacy of our operations; these are +some among the many reasons which have induced Congress +to the appointment of a Superintendent of Finance. +I enclose you copies of their resolutions on that subject, +with such other papers as will fully explain to you my appointment +and powers.</p> + +<p>The use of this office must be found in a progress +towards the accomplishment of these two capital objects, +the raising a revenue with the greatest convenience to the +people, and the expenditure of it with the greatest economy +to the public.</p> + +<p>The various requisitions of Congress to the several +States, none of them entirely complied with, create a considerable +balance in favor of the United States, and the +claiming this balance is delivered over to me as revenue; +while on the other hand, the dangerous practice of taking +articles for the public service and giving certificates to the +people, has created a very general and a very heavy debt. +The amount of this debt is swelled beyond all reasonable +bounds, nor can the extent of it be at present estimated. +These things need no explanation, but it may be proper +to observe, that if the certificates were not in my way, +there is still an infinite difference between the demand of +a balance from the States, and an effectual revenue. The +latter can be obtained only in consequence of wise laws +generally adopted, and as generally executed with vigor +and decision. Were all that is necessary on these heads +accomplished, something further would still remain to be +done, in order that the produce of taxes should he subject +to the sole and absolute disposition of the United States, +or of their officers. To you who are acquainted with republican +governments, it is unnecessary to observe on the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_423" id="Page_423">423</a></span> +delays which will arise, the obstacles which will be raised, +and the time which will be consumed, in placing the revenue +of America on a proper footing. Yet this is absolutely +necessary before credit can be established, and the +indispensable supplies obtained on terms of economy.</p> + +<p>To reform our expenditure is an object of equal importance +with the other, and it is in some degree within my +power, as you will perceive it to have been subjected to +my authority. But even here I find myself trammeled +by the want of necessary funds. To contract, for instance, +with any one, in order to obtain bread for our troops, requires +the previous certainty of being able to make the +stipulated payments. And so in every other case, I shall +be unable to act with decision, unless I have the command +of money. On the other hand, the people will bear with +great reluctance the necessary imposition of heavy burthens, +while they can perceive any want of arrangement, +method, or economy, in the administration of their affairs.</p> + +<p>If for a moment we suppose, that this country, amid the +confusions of a revolution, and the rage of war, could be +governed with all the regularity, wisdom, and prudence, +of ancient and peaceable nations; yet we must be convinced, +that no annual revenue she is able to raise could +equal the annual expense in an offensive war against so +powerful a nation, as that which we now contend with. +A great balance, therefore, must remain, and it must be +provided for by loans or subsidies.</p> + +<p>To expect loans within the United States, presupposes +an ability to lend, which does not exist in any considerable +number of the inhabitants. The personal property, not +immediately engaged, either in commerce or the improvement +of lands, was never very considerable. Little as it +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_424" id="Page_424">424</a></span> +was, it has been greatly diminished by the pernicious effects +of a depreciating medium. This expedient, which was +adopted in the beginning from necessity, and too pertinaciously +adhered to in the sequel, has not only exhausted +the funds of those who might have been willing to trust +the United States, but it has so wounded our public credit, +that even the will would be wanting if the ability existed, +which as I said before, it really does not.</p> + +<p>While we have neither credit nor means at home, it is +idle to expect much from individuals abroad. Our foreign +credit must be nurtured with tenderness and attention before +it can possess any great degree of force, and it must +be fed by substantial revenue, before we can call it into +active exertion or derive beneficial effects from its application.</p> + +<p>All reasonable expectation, therefore, is narrowed down +to the friendly interposition of those sovereigns, who are +associates in the war. From Holland, we can properly +ask nothing; nor is she, I believe, in a capacity to grant +it if we did ask. The active efforts of France require all +the resources of that great nation, and of consequence the +pecuniary aid which she affords us can but little advance +the general cause, however it may relieve our immediate +distress.</p> + +<p>We must then turn our eyes to Spain, and we must ask +either loans or subsidies to a very considerable amount. +Small sums are not worth the acceptance. They have the +air of obligation without affording relief. A small sum, +therefore, is not an object to the United States, for they +do not mean to beg gratuities, but to make rational requests.</p> + +<p>As Congress have empowered you to remove the obstacles, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_425" id="Page_425">425</a></span> +which have hitherto impeded your negotiations, you +will doubtless proceed with prudent despatch in forming +the important treaties, which are to be the basis of our +national connexion. Your own integrity, and the dispositions +which you certainly feel, as the true representative +of your Sovereign, to gratify the wishes of his Catholic +Majesty, will give you just claim to the confidence and +friendly support of his Ministers. And on the other hand, +his Majesty's known piety and justice, will certainly induce +him to facilitate a permanent union between the two countries, +and to overturn that power, whose ambition is known, +felt, and detested, throughout the habitable globe.</p> + +<p>Having a perfect confidence in the wisdom of his Majesty's +Ministers, I must request that you will submit to their +consideration the reasons, which operate in favor of +the advances we expect. In doing this, it will immediately +strike you and them, that the enemy carries on the +operations against us at an expense infinitely greater than +that by which they are opposed. By enabling us, therefore, +to increase our resistance, and redouble our offensive +efforts, the British will be reduced to the necessity of increasing +their force in America, or of submitting beneath a +decided superiority. Either must be fatal to them. In +the first instance, they will be crushed by the weight of +expense; and, in the second, they must, while they lose +an actual force, and part forever with the object in contest, +feel the increased weight of the American arms, and make +head against those resources, applied to a marine, which +are now consumed in land operations.</p> + +<p>Money ought, therefore, to be supplied to us from the +Havana, which will at the same time save the risk of +transporting it to Europe, while, as I have already observed, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_426" id="Page_426">426</a></span> +it must, when employed among us, absolutely ruin +the common enemy. For, when once they are driven +from the United States, they must, at a considerable expense, +defend, or, at a great loss, relinquish the rest of +their American possessions; and, in either case, the resources +of this country will enable France and Spain to +carry on operations for the subjection of the British +Islands.</p> + +<p>With respect to our finance, I am further to observe, +that the resolutions of Congress, of the 18th of March, +1780, have neither been so regularly adopted by the +States as was hoped and expected, nor been productive of +those consequences, which were intended. It is unnecessary +to travel into the causes, or to explain the reasons of +this event. The fact is clear. The new money is depreciated, +and there is the strong evidence of experience to +convince us, that the issuing of paper, at present, must be +ineffectual. Taxation has not yet been pursued to that +extent, which was necessary. Neither is it reasonable to +expect that it should. Time has been required under all +governments to accustom the people by degrees to bear +heavy burdens. The people of America have so patiently +endured the various calamities of the war, that there is +good reason to expect they will not shrink at this late hour +from the imposition of just and equal taxes. But many +arrangements are necessary to this purpose, and, therefore, +an immediate pecuniary assistance is the more necessary +to us. Our debts, under which I comprise, as well those +of the individual States, as those of the Union, are but +trifling, when we consider the exertions which have been +made. The debt I have already mentioned on certificates +is heavy, not from the real amount, but because it is beyond +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_427" id="Page_427">427</a></span> +what the supplies obtained were reasonably worth, +and because it impedes taxation and impairs its effects. +But the amount of other debts so small, that a few years +of peace would bring it within the bounds of a revenue +very moderate, when compared with the wealth of our +country. You well know the rapid increase of that +wealth, and how soon it would relieve us from the weight +of debts, which might be in the first instance very burdensome. +There can, therefore, be no doubt, that we shall +be able to pay all those, which it may be necessary to +contract. But, as I have already observed, our great +difficulty is the want of means in our people, and of credit +in our government.</p> + +<p>It gives me, however, very great pleasure to inform +you, that the determined spirit of the country is by no +means abated either by the continuance of the war, the +ravages of our enemy, the expense of blood and treasure +we have sustained, or the artifices, falsehoods, and delusions +of an insidious foe. These last become daily more +and more contemptible in America, and it appears equally +astonishing, that they should longer attempt them here, or +boast the success of such attempts in Europe. Uniform +experience has shown the futility of their efforts, and the +falsehood of their assertions. I know they take the advantage +of every little success to vaunt the prowess of their +troops and proclaim hopes of conquest, which they do not +feel. But those, who know anything of our history or situation, +must have the utmost contempt for all these gasconades. +It is impossible they should make impression upon +any but weak minds, and I should hardly have thought of +mentioning them, but I learn by letters from Spain, that +men, who are uninformed, have been led into misapprehensions +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_428" id="Page_428">428</a></span> +from circumstances, which were here considered +as trivial and even favorable.</p> + +<p>I could hardly have supposed that our enemies had still +the folly to repeat, as I am told they do, that there is an +English party in America. Bribes and deceit have induced +some wicked and weak men to join them; but +when we consider the sums they have expended, and the +falsehoods they have used, our wonder is not, that they +have got so many, but that they have gained so few. The +independence of America is considered here as established; +so much so, that even those of equivocal character +accustom themselves to cherish the idea; for the doubt is +not now, whether an acknowledgment of it will take place, +but when that acknowledgment will be made. Our exertions +also, in the present moment, are not so much directed +to establish our liberties, as to prevent the ravages +of the enemy, abridge the duration and calamities of the +war, and faithfully contribute to the reduction of a power, +whose ambition was equally dangerous and offensive to +every other.</p> + +<p>All reasonings on this subject must be deeply enforced, +by paying attention to what has happened in the Southern +States. The progress of the enemy, while in appearance +it menaced the conquest of that extensive region, tended +only, in effect, to exhaust him by fruitless efforts, so that at +length a handful of men have rescued the whole from his +possession. The attack on Virginia (if the piratical incursions +there can deserve that name) has been equally futile. +The commanders may indeed have enriched themselves +by plunder, and many worthy families have been distressed; +but what is the consequence? Indignation and +resentment have stimulated even the weak and indolent to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_429" id="Page_429">429</a></span> +action. The wavering are confirmed, and the firm are +exasperated, so that every hour, and by every operation, +they create enemies, instead of gaining subjects.</p> + +<p>Our armies, though not very numerous, are powerful. +The regular troops are so much improved in discipline and +the habits of a military life, that they are at least equal to +any troops in the world. Our militia are becoming more +and more warlike, so as to supply the wants of regular +troops, when the enemy (taking advantage of that convenience, +which their ships afford them) transfer the scene of +action from one place to another. The number of the +British diminishes daily, and of consequence, our superiority +becomes daily more decisive. The greatest plenty +of subsistence is to be had for our armies, and the prospects +from the present harvest are beyond all former experience. +I wish I could add, that clothing and military +stores were as abundant as those other requisites for war. +This is not the case; our soldiers, indeed, are well armed, +and, in some degree, they are clothed. We have also +ammunition abundantly sufficient for the common operations +of the field. But many of our militia are unarmed, +and the sieges, which will be necessary to expel the enemy, +must make a heavy deduction from our military stores.</p> + +<p>The proposed siege of New York will soon be commenced, +and would undoubtedly be successful, if we could +maintain a decided superiority at sea. This must depend +on contingencies, which are not in our power, nor perhaps +in the power of any human being. I am not without hopes, +even if we should not possess that superiority; but the +expense will, from the want of it, be very considerably +enhanced, and this is a circumstance which I cannot but +deplore, for I repeat it again, the want of money can alone +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_430" id="Page_430">430</a></span> +prevent us from making the greatest exertions. What our +exertions have already been, our enemies themselves must +acknowledge, and while from insidious views, they assert +that they could not make an impression on us with ninety +thousand soldiers and seamen, we are certainly authorised +to conclude from this confession, that these States form a +considerable balance in the scale against them.</p> + +<p>I am now, therefore, again led to reiterate my request +of a considerable sum of money from Spain; for I also +again repeat, that small sums are not worth our acceptance, +and I may add, they are unworthy the dignity of his Catholic +Majesty. There can be no doubt, nor will the Spanish +Ministry deny, that there is a considerable risk in transporting +their money from the new world to the old, besides, +that when expended there, it necessarily runs through the +different channels of commerce, to feed the wants and invigorate +the forces of the enemy. There is, therefore, a +double policy in expending a part of it here, where it can +not only be brought with safety and despatch, but be employed +to an immense advantage, when compared with its +effects in Europe. If it be asked, what advantages Spain +will derive in particular during the war, and what recompense +can be made her after the peace? I answer, that the +weakening more the common enemy by a given sum, is in +itself a great advantage, and that to do this, by sparing the +blood of Spanish subjects, is an advantage still greater. I +add, that when relieved from the enemy, we may assist +her in the reduction of the Floridas and Bahamas, and, +perhaps, of Jamaica. We shall then, also, be in a situation +to secure Nova Scotia, thereby depriving Great Britain +of her principal resource for ship-timber, and enable us +to furnish that essential article to the navy of Spain, on +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_431" id="Page_431">431</a></span> +cheaper and better terms, than it can be had elsewhere. +On this last subject, I have further to observe, that there is +hardly anything in which the maritime power of Spain is so +much interested; for if we do not possess that country, it +will be impracticable to furnish those supplies of masts and +spars, which both France and Spain may stand in need +of; so that, of consequence, their positive and absolute +strength at sea will be the less, while that of the enemy is +positively and absolutely greater. The comparative inferiority, +therefore, will be still more considerable. Nor is +this all. A marine requires men, as well as ships. The +fisheries and collieries are two pillars, which support the +marine of Britain, so far forth as seamen are required. But +it is evident, that the fisheries could not long continue in +her hands, if she were deprived of Nova Scotia. Here +again, we are also to consider, that there is an immense +difference between that patient resistance, whose opposition +must at length weary the enemy into granting our independence, +and those vigorous active operations, which may +wrest from them their present possessions. Money is +necessary for the latter, and I can say with confidence, that +money alone is necessary.</p> + +<p>But to return. The advantages which will flow to +Spain at a peace, from giving effectual aid to our finances +now, will be, in the first place, the common compensation +of repayment, should his Catholic Majesty prefer loans to +subsidies. The having expelled the English from the Bay +of Mexico, and having, by that means, prevented the contraband +commerce, so destructive to his revenue, will be +another striking advantage, which cannot have escaped the +penetration of his Ministers. But this is not all. The +opening a port in East Florida, on the shores of the Atlantic, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_432" id="Page_432">432</a></span> +under proper regulations and restrictions, would enable +us to carry on a commerce very advantageous to Spain, because +we could furnish all such supplies of provisions, &c. +as their possessions might stand in need of, and in return, +take at port, cocoa, logwood, Nicaragua wood, and, indeed, +any other commodities, which his Catholic Majesty should +find it for the advantage of his dominions to permit the exportation +of. Our commerce with Spain is also, in itself, +a very considerable object. At this moment, we take +from thence wine, oil, fruit, silk, cloth, &c. And after the +conclusion of the war, our remittances of wheat, corn, fish, +and naval stores, will be of very great consequence to the +commerce of that country. Another article of commerce +will be the building of ships, which can be had on cheaper +and better terms here than elsewhere; and there can be +no doubt but that the construction of ships in this country +is equal, if not superior, to that in any other. Even now, +ships might be built on his Majesty's account, though by +no means so cheaply as in times of peace; besides that, +as there is now no seasoned timber in the country, such +ships would not be durable, and, therefore, it might, perhaps, +be imprudent to get any more than are immediately +necessary.</p> + +<p>To all the other advantages, which would arise to his +Catholic Majesty, I may add, (although that is not so properly +within my department,) the security, which his dominions +would derive from our guarantee. This is an advantage, +which must be the more evident from a consideration +of what might have happened, had this country continued +in union with Great Britain, and had Great Britain pursued +those schemes of universal empire, which the virtue and fortitude +of America first checked, and which it is the object +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_433" id="Page_433">433</a></span> +of the present war to frustrate. Our enemies do, I know, +allege, that our weakness is unable to withstand them, and +that our force is dangerous to Spain. The serious refutation +of such absurd contradictions would involve an absurdity. +It may not, however, be improper to observe, +that the attention of this country, for a century past, has +been, and for a century to come, most probably will be, +entirely turned to agriculture and commerce. We must +always, therefore, be useful neighbors, and never dangerous, +except to those who may have views of dominion. +Spain can never be in this predicament, though the British +may and will. Their solicitude, therefore, to inspire apprehensions +of us is, and ought to be, the strongest argument +against entertaining them. But, if this evident reasoning +did not exist, still the conduct of Congress, with +regard to his Catholic Majesty, has been so just, and even +generous, not only in being willing to secure his rights, but +to gratify him by foregoing their own, that there is not +room for the shadow of suspicion. This conduct, I should +suppose, would alone have weight sufficient to procure +what it is my object to request, if the other very cogent +and conclusive reasons for it did not apply. And, after +all, if it be considered how much greater is the interest of +Spain at the vigorous continuance of the present war, +than that of any other of the associates, I cannot permit +myself one moment to doubt of your success. I am the +more sanguine from the character of the Catholic King, +and of his Ministers, for wisdom, candor, and integrity. +These qualities will, I am sure, meet such corresponding +dispositions in the United States, that the most thorough +harmony and coalition must inevitably take place. This is +an object of the greatest importance to both countries. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_434" id="Page_434">434</a></span> +Mutual benefits and the reciprocation of good offices will +endear a connexion between them, and their interests require +that this connexion should be of the closest kind.</p> + +<p>In every point of view, therefore, that we can consider +the subject, the advance I have mentioned must appear alike +beneficial. If the Governor of Cuba, or any other person, +were duly authorised, stipulations might even now be +entered into for furnishing all necessary supplies of provisions +to the fleets and armies of his Catholic Majesty, +which would certainly facilitate their operations. The advance +of money also by Spain would enable the fleets and +troops of France to subsist cheaper than at present, because +it would tend to raise the exchange here, which is +now too low.</p> + +<p>Your own good sense will suggest to you many other +most forcible arguments, as well as the proper time and +manner of applying them. It is necessary to mention, that +the sum of five million dollars may, perhaps, be sufficient +for our present emergencies; but if a greater sum can be +obtained, we shall thereby become more extensively useful. +Whatever the grant may be, it will be proper that it +be sent hither in some Spanish ships of war from the +Havana, or advanced to us there; in which latter case, +we will devise the means of bringing it away. Whether +to ask for subsidies, or loans, as well as the terms on +which either are to be obtained, these, Sir, are objects, +which you are fully competent to determine upon. I have +only to wish that your applications may meet with that +success, which I am confident you will not fail to merit. +As the means of facilitating your views, I shall apply to +the Minister of his Most Christian Majesty here, to write +on the same subject to the French Ambassador at Madrid. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_435" id="Page_435">435</a></span> +The generous conduct of France gives just ground of reliance +on her friendly assistance; and you are too well +convinced of this, not to act in the most perfect harmony +with the servants of that Court, especially on an occasion +so important as the present. I need not stimulate your +activity, by observing how precious is every moment of +time in those affairs, on which the fate of Empires depends; +nor need I suggest the importance of a treaty, and +particularly a subsidiary treaty with Spain, in that moment, +when the judgment of Europe is to be passed on the +fate of America. For, however impracticable it may be +to subdue us, it is undoubtedly of moment to hasten the +approach of that period, when the acknowledgment of our +independence shall give the blessings of peace to so many +contending nations. To spare the present lavish effusion +of blood and treasure, is a serious object with those, who +feel, as you do, the emotions of benevolence; and I am +confident, that the patriotism, which has inspired your conduct, +will prompt you to obtain a peace honorable for your +country and advantageous to her friends. The only probable +method to effect these things, is a thorough union of +forces and resources, to reduce the pride and power of +that aspiring nation, whose ambition embroils the universe.</p> + +<p class="indent1">With all possible respect, I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT MORRIS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, July 7th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>This will accompany my former letter of the 4th instant, +which you will perceive to be so written, as that it may be +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_436" id="Page_436">436</a></span> +shown, if necessary, to the Spanish Minister. You will +make such use of it as prudence may dictate. I would +gladly now give you details of our situation and plans for +reforming it, but I have not yet sufficiently obtained the +one, nor matured the other. Whenever I am in capacity +to apprize you fully of these things, you shall hear from +me at large on the subject. At present I can only inform +you that a sum of hard money will, from particular circumstances, +afford us relief and turn to our advantage far +beyond what might be supposed from the amount. Although +I have stated the demand at five millions, yet I +beg you will take as much as you can obtain, though it be +far short of that sum. But at the same time, I repeat, +that a very small one is not worth the acceptance. Knowing +our wants to be great, you will judge properly as to +what we can accept consistently with our dignity.</p> + +<p>I enclose you a cypher, and with the duplicate of my +letters I will send you another. Should both arrive safe, +you will be so kind as to hand one to Mr Carmichael, letting +me know which you keep and write by.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be your Excellency's most obedient +and humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT MORRIS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Office of Finance, July 9th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>Observing by your correspondence with Congress, that +you are put to a good deal of expense by American seamen +arriving from captivity at Cadiz, where they also grow +very troublesome, I offer the following proposal to your +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_437" id="Page_437">437</a></span> +consideration. Authorise Mr Harrison, or whoever may +be your agent at Cadiz, to enter into contracts with such +Americans as present themselves for the bounty of their +country, to proceed from Cadiz, in such ship or vessel as +he may provide for the purpose, for such port within the +United States as he may appoint, at the monthly wages of +six or eight Spanish dollars, to be paid as soon after their +arrival in America as the cargo of the vessel shall be landed. +After they sign such contract, he is to supply their wants +sparingly, until he collects a sufficient number to man a +suitable vessel, which he may procure either by charter or +purchase, whichever may be in his power, and shall appear +most eligible at the time. If he charter, it should be on +such terms that the owners risk their vessel, putting in +their own master, and, if they choose it, part of the seamen. +The vessel to be loaded with salt for account and +risk of the United States; freight so much per bushel or +so much per ton to America and back. But in that case, +let it be always a condition, that the vessel may be ordered +from the first place she arrives, to any one other port in +America; because, it may happen that she will arrive +where there cannot be got a cargo to load her back, or +where the salt would be of no use.</p> + +<p>If your funds will admit of it, and vessels can be furnished +cheap, this would be the more eligible mode of +doing the business, because I could then either send the +vessels back, or sell, as might suit best. In case of purchase, +they should be fast sailers, with good sails and rigging, +well found and fitted, and if armed, so much the better. +Honest, active, industrious, and faithful masters must +be provided for these vessels, and they must all come +addressed to my order, directed for this port, with liberty +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_438" id="Page_438">438</a></span> +however to get into any safe port they can. The master +to give me immediate notice of his arrival, when I shall +give proper orders, or probably have them previously +ready. An account of the moneys advanced to each person +on board these vessels, as well as the cost and outfit of +the ship and cost of the cargo, must be sent me by each +vessel, in order that proper deductions may be made from +the people, and proper credits be given for the costs. +You will observe, I am duly empowered by Congress to +export and import for account and risk of the United +States; and I think this plan so likely to benefit the public, +that I very freely give my sanction to it, provided you +can find the money. Your agent must give me regular +advice of every expedition, and inform you also whenever +he commences them. When a ship is provided and a +master appointed, all the men should sign articles for the +voyage in the common form.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Dear Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT MORRIS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, July 13th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>I enclose you in this packet the plan of a national bank, +which I have been induced to adopt for the following reasons. +The issuing of a large paper medium converted the +coin of the country into a commodity, so that much of it +was exported and the remainder concealed. The depreciation +of our paper has so lessened our currency, that +there is not a sufficiency for commerce and taxation, without +creating by the latter such distress in the former, as +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_439" id="Page_439">439</a></span> +must injure every order of men in the community. It is +necessary, therefore, to fill up the deficiency in such proportion +as it may be called, and with such medium as may +preserve its value.</p> + +<p>I have already in my letter of the 4th instant stated the +want of ability in the people to lend, and of credit in the +government to borrow. An additional reason, therefore, +for establishing a bank is, that the small sums advanced by +the holders of bank stock may be multiplied in the usual +manner by means of their credit, so as to increase the +resource, which government can draw from it, and at the +same time, by placing the collected mass of private credit +between the lenders and borrowers, supply at once the +want of ability in the one, and of credit in the other.</p> + +<p>An additional reason for this institution is, to supply the +place of all our other paper, which it is my design to absorb +as soon as possible, and thereby to relieve the people from +those doubts and anxieties, which have weakened our +efforts, relaxed our industry, and impaired our wealth. +But this must not be done, without the substitution of other +paper, for reasons which I have already assigned, and +because that our commerce would suffer for the want of +that facility in money transactions, which paper alone can +give.</p> + +<p>Finally, one very strong motive, which has impelled my +conduct on this occasion, is to unite the several States +more closely together, in one general money connexion, +and indissolubly to attach many powerful individuals to the +cause of our country, by the strong principle of self-love, +and the immediate sense of private interest. It may not +be, perhaps, improper to show and explain this plan to the +Spanish Ministry. They will then perceive how, by an +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_440" id="Page_440">440</a></span> +advance of money, they may in this instance increase our +resources and our efforts in a degree much superior to the +immediate sum, and they may be assured, that on a variety +of other occasions, similar benefits will result from it. +I take this opportunity, however, to observe to you, that +I do not mean this, or any other communication, should be +absolutely made. It is, on the contrary, my unalterable +opinion, that a prudent Minister on the spot should be left +to act with large discretionary power, being always furnished +with such details, as will enable him to judge with +propriety, and act with decision.</p> + +<p>It will undoubtedly strike your observation, that the sum +of four hundred thousand dollars is very small, considering +the object which it is my design to effect. I acknowledge +that it is so, and when I tell you, that I was very apprehensive +that we should be unable to fill a larger subscription, +and when I add, that it is far from certain we shall +get all of this moderate sum, you will see still more clearly +the force of those observations which I have already made. +But it is weakness to be deterred by difficulties from a +proper pursuit. I am, therefore, determined that the bank +shall be well supported, until it can support itself, and then +it will support us. I mean that the stock, instead of four +hundred thousand dollars, shall be four hundred thousand +pounds, and perhaps more. How soon it will rise to that +amount, it is impossible to foresee. But this we may venture +to assert, that if a considerable sum of specie can be +speedily thrown into it, the period when its force and +utility will be felt and known is not far off.</p> + +<p>After I had determined to make the application to the +Court of Madrid, which is contained in my letters, it was +my next object to obtain for you such support as might +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_441" id="Page_441">441</a></span> +materially favor your operations. For this purpose I have +written to Dr Franklin, and have told him, that you would +receive by this conveyance, and forward to him, copies +of those resolutions and letters, which may be necessary to +explain my appointment and powers. I lay this task on +your Secretaries, because the want of clerks in my office, +and the many things to be done, together with the short +time allowed me by the departure of the vessel, prevent +me from having duplicates made out. I have written to +the Doctor to apply to the Court of Versailles, to further +your negotiations with their influence. I am confident his +application will not be unsuccessful; but how you may +derive most benefit from the cooperation of the French +Court, you best can tell. Major Franks, therefore, is instructed +to take your orders for Passy, and return thence +to Philadelphia; so that you will have an opportunity of +communicating fully with the Doctor on any subject you +think proper. You may write to me by any opportunity, +if this should arrive safe, because our cypher will prevent +you from being exposed to interested or impertinent +curiosity.</p> + +<p>To obtain for you still further assistance, I have applied +(in the absence of M. de la Luzerne, who is gone to camp,) +to M. de Marbois for letters to their Ambassador at the +Court of Madrid. I have stated my views, my hopes, and +wishes, with that candor which is proper on such occasions, +and which I wish to preserve on all occasions. M. de +Marbois has, in consequence, written a letter on the subject, +in which he informs the Ambassador of our conversation, +states the disorders of our finances, and makes +polite mention of my operations, my designs, and abilities, +as well as the confidence reposed in me by Congress, and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_442" id="Page_442">442</a></span> +by the people at large. He details the proposed plans, +and particularly that of the Bank, and shows forcibly the +advantages, which would result from a considerable advance +of money by Spain. He assigns also very proper +reasons to show why it ought to be considerable, if it be +made at all. The great interest of France in this business, +as well as the open and candid manner, which has marked +all transactions I have hitherto had with the Minister of +that nation, induces me to believe that this letter is more +than a compliment, and that as it is intended, so it will operate +to produce the desired effect.</p> + +<p>That nothing in my power might be wanting to the success +of a business, which you must be convinced I have +very much at heart, I have also applied to Don Francisco +Rendon, who at present acts here for Spain, and I have +every reason to believe that he will write to the Spanish +Court such a letter as I wish. But after all, much, my +Dear Sir, must depend on your prudence, your activity, +and your attentions to incline, to stimulate, to lead the Ministry +into our views, to remove the obstacles, surmount the +difficulties, and crush the procrastinations, which retard the +completion of an object so essential to your country. I +am happy to add, that I have the utmost confidence in +your abilities, your industry, and integrity.</p> + +<p>There is a possibility that money may be obtained from +Portugal, and though I confess there is not a very solid +ground to build on, and though it must be owned that +appearances are against us, yet I think it best not too much +to trust appearances, either favorable or unfavorable, and to +leave nothing unattempted which may be useful. It was +for reasons of this sort that my letter of the 9th instant, +which I enclose you a copy of, was written to Congress. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_443" id="Page_443">443</a></span> +In consequence of it, on the 11th they passed a resolution, +of which I also enclose you a copy, and have only to add, +that you will act entirely according to your own discretion +on this occasion. I cannot pretend to know the situation +of the Court of Lisbon, and therefore I will not attempt to +measure out a line of conduct to be pursued there. You +are, for every reason, more competent to this business than +I am, and therefore I submit it to your management entirely.</p> + +<p>You will observe that a material part of my letter of the +9th remains unnoticed by Congress. The Committee had +not yesterday reported upon it. Should anything be done +previous to the departure of this vessel, you shall know it. +But you are so well acquainted with the delays incident to +public assemblies, that you will not be surprised if you hear +nothing further on the subject.</p> + +<p>It is unnecessary for me to make any other mention of +Major Franks, except to inform you, that after a critical +examination into his conduct by a court of inquiry, he was +honorably acquitted of all improper connexion with his late +General.<a name="FNanchor_29" id="FNanchor_29" href="#Footnote_29" class="fnanchor">[29]</a> For the rest, you are perfectly acquainted +with him, and will therefore take that notice of him which +he deserves.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Dear Sir, your most obedient and humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT MORRIS.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTE:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_29" id="Footnote_29"></a><a href="#FNanchor_29"><span class="label">[29]</span></a> Major Franks was Aid to General Arnold at the time his treachery +was discovered, but he was honorably acquitted from all suspicion +of having any knowledge of Arnold's designs.</p></div></div> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_444" id="Page_444">444</a></span></p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>Plan of a Bank, referred to in the preceding Letter.</i></p> + +<p>1. That a subscription be opened for four hundred +thousand dollars, in shares of four hundred dollars each, to +be paid in gold or silver.</p> + +<p>2. That the subscription be paid into the hands of +George Clymer and John Nixon, or their agents.</p> + +<p>3. That any subscriber of less than five shares, pay +the whole sum on the day of his subscription.</p> + +<p>4. That every subscriber of five shares or upwards, +pay one half the sum on the day of his subscription, and +the other half within three months of that day.</p> + +<p>5. That every holder of a share shall be entitled to +vote by himself, his agent, or proxy, properly appointed, +at all elections for directors, and that he have as many +votes as he holds shares. And that every subscriber may +sell and transfer his share or shares at his pleasure, the +transfer being made in the bank book, in presence and +with the approbation of the proprietor or his lawful attorney, +the purchaser then to become entitled to the right of +voting, &c.</p> + +<p>6. That there be twelve directors chosen from among +those entitled to vote, who at this first meeting shall choose +one as president.</p> + +<p>7. That there be a meeting of the directors quarterly, +for the purpose of regulating the affairs of the bank; any +seven of the directors to make a board, and that the board +have power to adjourn from time to time.</p> + +<p>8. That the board of directors determine the manner +of doing business, and the rules and forms to be pursued, +appoint the various officers, which they may find necessary, +and dispose of the money and credit of the bank for +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_445" id="Page_445">445</a></span> +the interest and benefit of the proprietors, and make from +time to time such dividends out of the profits as they may +think proper.</p> + +<p>9. That the board be empowered from time to time, +to open new subscriptions, for the purpose of increasing +the capital of the bank on such terms and conditions as +they shall think proper.</p> + +<p>10. That the board shall, at every quarterly meeting, +choose two directors to inspect and control the business of +the bank for the ensuing three months.</p> + +<p>11. That the inspectors so chosen shall, on the evening +of every day, Sundays excepted, deliver to the superintendent +of the finances of America, a state of the cash +account, and of the notes issued and received.</p> + +<p>12. That the bank notes, payable on demand, shall by +law be made receivable in the duties and taxes of every +State in the union, and from the respective States, by +the Treasury of the United States, as specie.</p> + +<p>13. That the superintendent of the finances of America +shall have a right at all times to examine into the affairs +of the bank, and for that purpose shall have access to all +the books and papers.</p> + +<p>14. That any director or officer of the bank, who shall +convert any of the property, monies, or credits thereof to +his own use, or shall any other way be guilty of fraud or +embezzlement, shall forfeit all his share or stock to the +company.</p> + +<p>15. That laws shall be passed making it felony, without +benefit of clergy, to commit such fraud or embezzlement.</p> + +<p>16. That the subscribers shall be incorporated under +the name of the President, Directors and Company of the +Bank of North America. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_446" id="Page_446">446</a></span></p> + +<p>17. That none of the directors shall be entitled to any +pecuniary advantage for his attendance on the duties of his +office of director, or as president, or inspector, unless an +alteration in this respect shall hereafter be made by the +consent of a majority of the stockholders at a general election.</p> + +<p>18. That as soon as the subscription shall be filled, +Mr George Clymer and Mr John Nixon shall publish a list +of the names and sums respectively subscribed, with the +places of abode of the subscribers, and appoint a day for the +choice of directors, to whom, when chosen, they shall deliver +over the money by them received.</p> +</div> + +<p class="embed_subtitle"><i>Observations on the above Plan.</i></p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 1st. The objects and use of a bank are too obvious +to need illustration. But it may not be amiss to take +notice, that the first moment of its getting into action, the +credit arising from its funds can be made use of by the +government of the United States in anticipation of taxes, in +consequence of special agreements to be made between +their superintendent of Finance and the directors for that +purpose; and as the capital and credit of the bank increase, +so may this mode of anticipation be increased, to +answer all the purposes of government. It is, however, +evident at the first view, that four hundred thousand dollars +are not sufficient for those purposes, nor those of private +commerce, because no considerable circulation of paper +can be founded on so narrow a basis; yet it is dangerous +to attempt more. It is not possible to determine what is +the highest sum, that could speedily be obtained by subscription. +To ask more than could be obtained would +have a fatal effect; to ask less is a partial evil. It is, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_447" id="Page_447">447</a></span> +however, an evil which admits of a remedy, as is provided +in the plan.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 2d. Before the corporation is formed, and much +more so before the subscription is opened, by which the +company is to be determined, no authority can be bestowed +under the corporation. At the same time, it must be remembered, +that in circumstances like ours, the loss of time +involves in it the loss of many advantages. It becomes +necessary, therefore, to appoint individuals to manage the +subscription and receive the money. Mr Clymer and Mr +Nixon having been formerly directors of the Bank of Pennsylvania, +and being thereby generally known in that line, +their names naturally present themselves for this purpose.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 3d & 4th. The difference as to payments of +large and small, is so common an incitement to subscribers, +on such occasions, as to speak for itself.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 5th. The subscribers, it is expected, will consist +of citizens of every State in the Union; and, possibly, +foreigners may subscribe or purchase bank stock; therefore +the necessity and propriety of enabling them to vote +by proxy; and this being a monied institution, it is just +that every share be entitled to a vote.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 6th. As the stockholders will mostly be absent +from the place where the bank is kept, the number of +twelve seems quite sufficient for the direction, as they will +generally be chosen from the residents, and there ought to +be room left for rotation among these.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 7th & 8th. This plan, if adopted, will be considered +as the constitution of the Bank, and therefore necessary +to establish in it the powers of government by by-laws, +rules, and regulations, and making dividends out of the +profits; it is meant that they should annually pay a dividend +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_448" id="Page_448">448</a></span> +of five or six per cent to the proprietors of the stock, and +then settling the accounts of the bank, declare publicly, if +necessary to give credit and confidence, what capital remains +after such dividend. It will be observed, that such +dividends are confined to be made out of the profits; consequently, +the capitals can never be touched.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 9th. When the directors, by paying a dividend +out of the profits, establish the credit of the bank firmly in +the minds of the stockholders, and by declaring the capital +stock at the same time to be increased, give it equal confidence +in the general opinion, there is little doubt but they +may open new subscriptions for increasing the capital with +certainty of success.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 10th, 11th & 12th. As credit is the soul of all +operations of this kind, every precaution should be taken to +support it. In the course of things, much of the private +property of America may be dependent on the conduct of +affairs at the bank. Care, therefore, should be taken to +prevent fraud and mismanagement. If the transactions +were opened to public inspection, it would be impossible to +do the business amidst the continued interruption; besides +that, in this way, the national enemies would be apprized +of our resources and operations. It is necessary, therefore, +by instituting a check, to guard against the ill consequences +which lie in the way, as the public will have much connexion +with the bank, and, at times, deposit considerable +sums of money in it, and always be availing themselves of +its credit. The check should be in the hands of that officer +who is appointed to manage the monied interests of +America.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 13th & 14th. The penalties on fraud and embezzlement +are derived from the same source, and are supported +by the same reasoning. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_449" id="Page_449">449</a></span></p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Art.</span> 15th & 16th. The necessity of incorporating the +bank is obvious, and the propriety of rendering the office +of a director honorable, rather than lucrative, arises from +this circumstance, over and above the difference between +motives of fame and interest, that at present, any adequate +salaries would absorb the profits, and in future the care of +their own interests as stockholders will be an additional +inducement to the first characters to accept the direction, +for it is not doubted but every subscriber will increase his +capital in the bank, so soon as he finds not only the national +advantages it will produce, but sees clearly his private +interest advanced beyond his most sanguine expectations.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Office of Finance, August 15th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Enclosed you have a list of sundry bills of exchange +drawn on you. I wrote you relatively to these bills on the +29th day of July last, with sundry enclosures explanatory +of my letter. I am now to inform you, that the advices +contained in that letter must, from particular circumstances, +be totally disregarded. Should any of the bills, mentioned +in the enclosed list, come to your hands, you will +be pleased to protest them, and assign, if you please, as a +reason therefor, that you have express instructions to that +purport. The uncertainty, whether you have received my +cypher, prevents my using it on this occasion. The importance +of the subject obliges me to write, and as I send +many copies, the risk of capture and inspection is too great +to be more particular.</p> + +<p>The gazettes will furnish you with our latest intelligence. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_450" id="Page_450">450</a></span> +That of New York announces the arrival of near three +thousand Hessian troops, and the capture of the Trumbull +frigate. Neither of these is a very agreeable circumstance. +However, we must wait the course of events, and +struggle, as well as we can, against adverse fortune. Our +affairs to the southward wear no unpleasing aspect. And, +although it is impossible, at this distance, to determine +what effect European movements may have on American +politics, our government acquires daily a firmness and stability, +which will not easily be shaken.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT MORRIS.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>JAMES LOVELL TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, August 15th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Herewith you will receive according to the resolution of +Congress of the 10th, such information relative to the surrender +of Pensacola, and the subsequent arrival of the +garrison at New York, as I have been able to obtain, +which you will make use of according to your discretion, +and the spirit of the enclosed resolution.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Sir, your friend and very humble servant,</p> + +<p class="signed">JAMES LOVELL.</p> + +<p><i>P. S. August 16th.</i>—It appears to me not amiss to +enclose to you a report of a committee on the 10th, as it +stands negatived on the journals of Congress. J. L. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_451" id="Page_451">451</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Ildefonso, September 20th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Your Excellency's favor of the 5th of July last, with the +papers therewith enclosed, were delivered to me on the +29th ult. by Major Franks, whom the procrastination of +the Minister still obliges me to detain.</p> + +<p>The new commissions, with which Congress have honored +me, argue a degree of confidence, which demands +my warmest acknowledgments, and which, so far as it +may be founded on an opinion of my zeal and integrity, +they may be assured will not prove misplaced.</p> + +<p>At the commencement of the present troubles, I determined +to devote myself, during the continuance of them, +to the service of my country, in any station in which she +might think it proper to place me. This resolution, for +the first time, now embarrasses me. I know it to be my +duty, as a public servant, to be guided by my own judgment +only in matters referred to my discretion, and in +other cases faithfully to execute my instructions, without +questioning the policy of them. But there is one among +those which accompanies these commissions, which occasions +sensations I never before experienced, and induced +me to wish that my name had been omitted.</p> + +<p>So far as personal pride and reluctance to humiliation +may render their appointment contra-agreeable, I view it as +a very unimportant circumstance, and should Congress, on +any occasion, think it for the public good to place me in a +station inferior and subordinate to the one I now hold, +they will find me ready to descend from the one, and +cheerfully undertake the duties of the other. My ambition +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_452" id="Page_452">452</a></span> +will always be more gratified in being useful than +conspicuous; for, in my opinion, the solid dignity of a +man depends less on the height or extent of the sphere allotted +to him, than on the manner in which he may fulfil +the duties of it.</p> + +<p>But, Sir, as an American, I feel an interest in the dignity +of my country, which renders it difficult for me to +reconcile myself to the idea of the sovereign independent +States of America submitting, in the persons of their Ministers, +to be absolutely governed by the advice and opinions +of the servants of another sovereign, especially in a +case of such national importance.</p> + +<p>That gratitude and confidence are due to our allies, is +not to be questioned, and that it will, probably, be in the +power of France almost to dictate the terms of peace for +us, is but too true. That such an extraordinary extent of +confidence may stimulate our allies to the highest efforts +of generous friendship in our favor is not to be denied, +and that this instruction receives some appearance of +policy from this consideration may be admitted.</p> + +<p>I must, nevertheless, take the liberty of observing, that +however our situation may in the opinion of Congress +render it necessary to relax their demands on every +side, and even to direct their Commissioners ultimately to +concur (if nothing better could be done) in any peace or +truce not subversive of our independence, which France +determined to accede to, yet that this instruction, besides +breathing a degree of complacency not quite republican, +puts it out of the power of your Ministers to improve those +chances and opportunities, which in the course of human +affairs happens more or less frequently to all men. Nor +is it clear, that America, thus casting herself into the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_453" id="Page_453">453</a></span> +arms of the King of France, will advance either her interest +or reputation with that or other nations.</p> + +<p>What the sentiments of my colleagues on this occasion +may be, I do not as yet know, nor can I foresee how far +the negotiation of the ensuing winter may call for the execution +of this commission. Thus circumstanced, at such +a distance from America, it would not be proper to +decline this appointment. I will, therefore, do my best +endeavors to fulfil the expectations of Congress on this +subject, but, as for my own part, I think it improbable, +that serious negotiations for peace will soon take place. +I must entreat Congress to take an early opportunity of +relieving me from a station, wherein, in character of their +Minister, I must necessarily receive (and almost under +the name of opinions) the directions of those on whom +I really think no American Minister ought to be dependent, +and to whom, in love for our country and zeal for +her service, I am sure that my colleagues and myself are +at least equal.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><i>P. S.</i> I had an interview last evening with the Minister. +Nothing was promised or denied. A person is to be +named on Sunday to confer in earnest, as it is said, with +me about the treaties. I do not despair, though having so +many bills to pay, and no money, perplexes me extremely. +The treasury of Spain is very low; much of the money +for the expenses in this war costs them between thirty +and forty per hundred, by mismanagement and want of +credit. This ought not to be public. His Excellency +still looks at your ships on the stocks, but I shall, without +refusing, not consent to their changing masters. J. J. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_454" id="Page_454">454</a></span></p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">St Ildefonso, October 3d, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>My letter of the 25th of April last, by Mr Toscan, informed +Congress, that on the 30th day of January preceding, +I had the honor of receiving their letters of the 6th +and 17th of October, 1780, the latter of which states particularly +and ably the right of the United States to the free +navigation of the river Mississippi, and enumerates the +various reasons which induce them to decline relinquishing +it.<a name="FNanchor_30" id="FNanchor_30" href="#Footnote_30" class="fnanchor">[30]</a></p> + +<p>Among these reasons is the guarantee contained in the +treaty with France. I hinted to Congress, that it was +more than probable, that the contents of this interesting +letter were well known to the French Court before it came +to my hands. I am well persuaded, that this was the +case. Shortly after receiving it, I took occasion to converse +generally with the Ambassador on the subject of the +Spanish pretensions to that navigation, and remarked, as +it were inadvertently, how unreasonable it was for them to +expect, that we should relinquish a territorial right, which +both justice and the guarantee of France enabled us to +retain. The thought did not appear new to him, but he +strongly combated this construction of the treaty, and endeavored +to explain it away by observing, that the guarantee +could not comprehend claims, whose objects we had +never possessed, &c. &c. I mention this only to show how +improper it would have been for me to have communicated +this part of your Excellency's letter to the Spanish +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_455" id="Page_455">455</a></span> +Minister. It could have answered no good purpose, +because, as France would have disputed this construction, +Spain could with propriety have refused to admit the force +of any argument drawn from it, and it might have done +much mischief, not only by bringing on an unseasonable +explanation between France and us, but also between +Spain and France.</p> + +<p>If I had given the Spanish Minister a copy of every +other part of this letter, except those paragraphs which +contain the reasoning in question, the omission might in +future have been urged by France, who I verily believe +has a copy of that whole letter, as an argument for my +having yielded that point as not tenable; and though my +opinion might not be of much consequence, it appeared to +me most prudent to avoid doubts about it. For my own +part I really did, and do think, that this guarantee does +comprehend the navigation in question, though I also think, +that no question should be raised about it at present. So +circumstanced, I thought it most advisable to make no +written communications of any parts or part of this letter, +but from time to time to press every argument contained +in it in the course of conversations with the Spanish Minister, +except those drawn from the guarantee.</p> + +<p>The Minister, however, did not at any time enter into +the merits of these arguments, nor appear in the least +affected by them. His answer to them all was, that the +King of Spain must have the Gulf of Mexico to himself, +that the maxims of policy adopted in the management of +their colonies required it; and that he had hoped the +friendly disposition shown by this Court towards us would +have induced a compliance on the part of Congress.</p> + +<p>As to a free port below the northern limits of West +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_456" id="Page_456">456</a></span> +Florida, or anywhere else in the vicinity, the Minister +sometimes wished certain regulations, some middle line +might be devised, to reconcile the views of both parties, +but he did not see how it could be done. The King had +always been accustomed to consider the exclusive navigation +of the Gulf of Mexico as a very important object to +Spain, more so indeed than even Gibraltar, and he was persuaded, +that his Majesty would never be prevailed upon to +change his ideas on that subject. At other times he spoke +clearly, and decidedly against it, saying, that it was their +desire to exclude all nations from the Gulf, and that it +made little or no difference, whether they admitted all nations +or only one.</p> + +<p>In my letter of the 25th of April last, I informed your +Excellency, that on the 25th of March preceding, the +Minister sent me word, that the money necessary to pay +the bills due in April could not be advanced to me. The +constant inconsistency I experienced between the Minister's +promises and conduct often surprised, as well as embarrassed +me. This last instance appeared to me to be +really cruel; for if he had intended to withhold the necessary +supplies, he ought to have given me notice of it, and +not by keeping up my expectations to within a few days +before the holders of the bills were to call upon me for +their money, (and the bills of April amounted to eightynine +thousand and eightythree dollars,) reduce me to such +imminent danger of being obliged to protest them. Speaking +on this subject with the French Ambassador, he intimated, +that the Court expected I should have made them +some further overtures respecting the Mississippi. I told +him I had no authority to make any others than what I +had already made. He replied, that the Minister believed +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_457" id="Page_457">457</a></span> +I had. At that time I had received no letters, public or +private, which gave me the least reason to suspect, that +Congress had passed the resolution of the 15th of February +last,<a name="FNanchor_31" id="FNanchor_31" href="#Footnote_31" class="fnanchor">[31]</a> and it was not before the 18th of May, that a +letter, I then received from Mr Lovell, enabled me to understand +the reason of the Minister's belief. I then recalled +to mind his frequent assurances of frankness, and of +his speaking without reserve, often adding, that he was +well informed of our affairs, and had minute information +of what was passing at Philadelphia. There can be no +doubt but that some copies of the President's letters to +me have fallen into his hands, and that he supposed I +had received others, though this was not in fact the case. +Hence it appears, that the double miscarriage, if I may so +call it, of these letters, had an unfavorable influence on +our hopes of pecuniary aids, for it is highly probable, that +in this instance they were so critically withheld on purpose +to extort overtures from me, which the Minister, though +mistaken, had reason to believe I was in a capacity to +make.</p> + +<p>Your Excellency will perceive from this, how important +it is, that your letters, to and from your Ministers, be +transmitted in a manner not subject to these inconveniences.</p> + +<p>It was not, as I said before, until the 18th of May, that +Mr Lovell's letter, enclosing a copy of the resolution of +Congress of the 15th of February, reached me. It was +brought to Cadiz by the Virginia, and it is remarkable, +that none of the journals, or gazettes, nor the letter from +Congress, which Mr Lovell gave me reason to expect, ever +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_458" id="Page_458">458</a></span> +came to my hands. But as all the papers brought by the +Virginia passed through the hands of the Governor of +Cadiz, and afterwards through the Post Office, the suppression +of some of them may be easily accounted for.</p> + +<p>As Mr Lovell's letter did not appear to be official, nor +the copy of the instruction of the 15th of February authenticated, +I was much at a loss to determine how far it was +to be considered as a measure finally concluded upon, +and this difficulty was increased by another, viz. whether +my having no letter on the subject from the President +was to be imputed to the miscarriage of it, or to a reconsideration +of the instruction in question; for I recollected, +that resolutions had in some former instances been reconsidered, +and either altered or repealed a few days after +their date; for these reasons it appeared to me imprudent +immediately to hazard overtures on the ground of this +instruction.</p> + +<p>The next day, the 19th of May, I thought it expedient +to wait upon the Minister, and again renew the subject of +our proposed treaty, expecting that if he was acquainted +with the contents of my letter, something might drop from +him in the course of conversation, which would lead me to +judge of what he might, or might not know on that subject, +and others connected with it.</p> + +<p>He received me with more than usual cordiality. The +conversation turned at first on the situation of the southern +States, the late combat between the fleets in the Chesapeake, +and General Greene's retreat. He appeared to +apprehend much danger from what he called the delicate +situation of our army there, and the blockade of the reinforcement +intended for it, under the Marquis de la Fayette. +I endeavored to remove such of his fears as appeared to +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_459" id="Page_459">459</a></span> +be ill-founded, and (though without leaving room to suppose +that the operations of Spain were indispensable to our +safety,) represented to him the good policy and probable +success of France and Spain's seriously turning their attention +and force to the expulsion of the enemy from +America. I then repeated what I had often before remarked +to him, respecting the influence which the hesitations +and delays of Spain in forming a treaty with us must +naturally have on the hopes and fears of Britain. I announced +to him formally the completion of our confederation +by the accession of Maryland, and after dwelling on +the advantages, which the States and their allies might expect +from it, I endeavored to impress him with an opinion, +that a cordial union between France, Spain, Holland, and +America, supported by vigorous measures, would soon +reduce the enemy to the necessity of listening to reasonable +terms of peace.</p> + +<p>The Count replied, generally, that he was very minutely +informed of the state of our affairs. That the good dispositions +of Congress towards Spain had not as yet been +evinced in a manner the King expected, and that no one +advantage had hitherto been proposed by America to +Spain, to induce the latter to come into the measures we +desired. That the views of Congress were such as would +not permit his Majesty to form a treaty with the States, +but that the King was an honest man, and I might again +and again assure Congress, that he would never suffer them +to be sacrificed to Britain, but on the contrary would with +constancy maintain the friendship he had professed for +them. That Britain had in vain attempted to deceive +Spain; that Mr Cumberland had been sent here for that +express purpose, but that, however possible it might be for +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_460" id="Page_460">460</a></span> +Britain to vanquish, she would never be able to deceive +Spain; that he wished Congress had been more disposed +to oblige the King. He knew indeed that opposition in +sentiments must necessarily prevail in public bodies, but +that he hoped for the best. That I ought to preach to +them forcibly, for that he thought a good preacher (<i>un bon +prédicateur</i>,) would do much good, thereby intimating, as I +understood it, that Congress were not sufficiently apprised +of the importance of Spain, and the policy of complying +with her demands.</p> + +<p>To all this I briefly remarked, that his Excellency's +knowledge of American affairs must convince him, that it +was not in their power to give his Majesty other proofs of +their attachment than what they had already done, and that +if he alluded to the affair of the Mississippi, I could only +add one remark to those which I had often made to him +on that head, viz. that even if a desire of gratifying his +Majesty should ever incline Congress to yield to him a +point so essential to their interest, yet it still remained a +question whether new delays and obstacles to a treaty +would not arise to postpone it.</p> + +<p>The Count smiled, said he always spoke frankly, and +that whenever I should announce to him my having authority +to yield that point, I might depend on his being +explicit, and candid, but as matters stood at present, he +could say nothing on that head. He then informed me, +that M. Gardoqui would set out for America the beginning +of June. He said it might be in my power to furnish +some useful hints and observations relative to the objects +and conduct of his mission, adding that he reposed full +confidence in me, and wished that I would also consider +whether there were any particular reasons which might +render it advisable, either to hasten or retard his going. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_461" id="Page_461">461</a></span></p> + +<p>I suspected there was too much meaning in all this to +admit of my entering into these discussions without time +for further reflection; and, therefore, without seeming to +avoid it, I told the Count I was happy to hear, that M. +Gardoqui was so near his departure. That I considered +myself much honored by his requesting my remarks relative +to it, and that I was sure Congress would draw agreeable +conclusions from his mission. That I should write by +him to Congress, and as they would expect to learn from +me the precise character in which they were to receive, +and consider him, it became necessary, that his Excellency +should favor me with that information, as well to +enable me to transmit the proper advices to Congress, as +to make the remarks which he had done me the honor to +request. That I conceived this to be the more indispensable, +because if M. Gardoqui should carry no public testimonials +from this Court to Congress, he could only be +considered by them as a private gentleman, and all his intercourse +with Congress would of consequence be subjected +to all the inconveniences resulting from it.</p> + +<p>This topic carried the conversation off the delicate +ground to which the Count had led it. He admitted the +propriety of my being exactly apprized of the nature of +M. Gardoqui's commission, said that as yet it was not +decided, and therefore for the present could only give me +his opinion of what it would probably be.</p> + +<p>He observed that circumstances did not render it +proper, that he should go as Minister, though perhaps it +might he proper to give him contingent powers. That it +was the common practice, where Courts sent to each other +persons charged with their affairs, in a character below that +of Minister, to give no other credentials than a letter of advice +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_462" id="Page_462">462</a></span> +from the Minister of the Court sending to the Minister +of the Court receiving the person in question. That the +same practice was about to be pursued by Spain towards +Prussia, and had been observed in other instances; therefore, +he believed the like method would be adopted in this +case. That if it should be purposed to give M. Gardoqui +a letter authenticating his being an agent of Spain, it would +be either to the President, or the Secretary of Congress, +and asked me which of the two would be the most proper.</p> + +<p>Whether he really was uninformed on this point, or +whether he asked the question merely to try my candor, +cannot easily be determined. I told him honestly, that +Congress had no Secretary or Minister of State for general +purposes, nor for foreign affairs particularly, and that +neither the President nor Secretary of Congress could regularly +be considered in that light. That there was a committee +of Congress, whose appointment came near to that of +Secretary for foreign affairs, but that I had heard Congress +were about establishing a more proper and regular mode of +conducting the affairs committed to that committee, and +had perhaps already done it. That therefore it was difficult +for me to give his Excellency a clear and decided +opinion on the subject, and the more so as the letters +which I daily expected to receive from the President, and +which probably contained exact information relative to this +very matter, had not yet come to my hands. He seemed +very well satisfied, and extended his civilities so far as to +say, that if at any time the warmth of his temper had led +him into any harshness of expression, he hoped I would +forget it. I told him, and that was the fact, that I did not +recollect any part of his behavior to me, which required +that apology. He desired me to wait upon him again on +the Wednesday next. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_463" id="Page_463">463</a></span></p> + +<p>As to the instructions of the 15th of February, I had every +reason to wish it had been a secret to the Ministry. +The propriety of them is a subject without my province. +To give decided opinions of the views and designs of +Courts always appeared to me hazardous, especially as +they often change, and as different men will often draw +different conclusions from the same facts. This consideration +has constantly induced me to state facts accurately +and minutely to Congress, and leave them to judge for +themselves, and be influenced only by their own opinions.</p> + +<p>I could not forbear, however, seeing the danger to which +the proviso contained in that instruction exposed me. I have +no reason to flatter myself, that, more fortunate than others, +the propriety and policy of my conduct will not be drawn, +at least impliedly, into doubt. If I should, on a persuasion +that this cession would be unalterably insisted upon +by Spain, yield that point, I am certain that many little +half-created doubts and questions would be cast into, and +cultivated in America. If, on the other hand, I should be +of opinion that this point could be gained, and the event +prove otherwise, it would soon be whispered, what rich +supplies and golden opportunities the United States had +lost by my obstinacy.</p> + +<p>I permitted my mind to dwell on these considerations, +merely that I might, by the utmost degree of circumspection, +endeavor to render the uprightness and propriety of +my conduct as evident as possible.</p> + +<p>My only difficulty arose from this single question. +Whether I could prudently risk acting on a presumption, +either that Spain did not already, or would not soon be +acquainted with the contents of this instruction. If such a +presumption had been admissible, I should, without the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_464" id="Page_464">464</a></span> +least hesitation, have played the game a little further, +keeping this instruction in my hand as a trump card, to +prevent a separate peace between Spain and Britain, in +case such an event should otherwise prove inevitable. +Had Spain been at peace with our enemies, and offered +to acknowledge, guaranty, and fight for our independence, +provided we would yield them this point, (as once seemed +to be the case) I should, for my own part, have no more +hesitation about it now than I had then. But Spain being +now at war with Great Britain, to gain her own objects, +she doubtless will prosecute it full as vigorously as if she +fought for our objects. There was and is little reason to +suppose that such a cession would render her exertions +more vigorous, or her aids to us much more liberal. The +effect, which an alliance between Spain and America +would have on Britain and other nations, would certainly +be in our favor, but whether more so than the free +navigation of the Mississippi is less certain. The cession +of this navigation will, in my opinion, render a future war +with Spain unavoidable, and I shall look upon my subscribing +to the one as fixing the certainty of the other.</p> + +<p>I say I should have played this game a little further, if +the presumption before mentioned had been admissible, +because it has uniformly been my opinion, that if after +sending me here Congress had constantly avoided all +questions about the Mississippi, and appeared to consider +that point as irrevocable, Spain would have endeavored to +purchase it by money, or a free port, but as her hopes +of a change in the opinion of Congress were excited, and +kept alive by successive accounts of debates, and intended +debates on that question, and as Congress by drawing bills +without previous funds had painted their distress for want +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_465" id="Page_465">465</a></span> +of money in very strong colors, Spain began to consider +America as a petitioner, and treated her accordingly. +But as by the intervention of Dr Franklin, our bills for +near six months were safe, and as after this resolution of +the 15th of February, there was reason to expect that the +subject of it would not soon be resumed in Congress, I +should, in case I could have depended on this instruction's +being and remaining a secret, have thought it my duty +to have given the United States a fair trial for the Mississippi, +or at least for a free port near it. With this view +I should have appeared to give myself no concern about +the bills, applied for no aids, made no offers, and on all +proper occasion have treated an alliance with Spain as an +event, which, though wished for by us, was not essential to +our safety, and as the price demanded for it appeared to +us unreasonable, it was not probable we should agree. I +think we should then have been courted in our turn, +especially as the Minister was very desirous of having our +men-of-war on the stocks, and that thus dealing with them +on terms of equality, would have produced some concessions +on their part, as inducements to greater ones on ours. +I am persuaded in my own mind, that prudent self-respect +is absolutely necessary to those nations, who would wish +to be treated properly by this Court, and I have not the +least doubt but that almost any spirit will prosper more +here, than that of humility and compliance. I had no doubt +but that this plan of conduct would have been perfectly +consistent with that part of the instruction, which +orders me to make every possible effort to obtain from his +Catholic Majesty the use of the river aforesaid, &c. For +whatever might have been, or may be, my private sentiments, +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_466" id="Page_466">466</a></span> +they shall never in mere questions of policy influence +me to deviate from those of Congress.</p> + +<p>But on the other hand there being abundant circumstantial +evidence to induce a firm persuasion, that the +Ministry were well acquainted with the contents of this +instruction, this plan would have been idle. The moment +they saw that the cession of this navigation was made to +depend upon their persevering to insist upon it, it became +absurd to suppose, that they would cease to persevere. +All that remained for me therefore to do was, in the next +conference to break this subject as decently as possible, +and in such a manner as would account for my not having +mentioned this instruction at our last meeting.</p> + +<p>On Wednesday evening, the 23d of May, I waited upon +the Count agreeably to his appointment. The Count +seemed a little hurried in his spirits, and behaved as if he +wished I had not come. He asked me rather abruptly, if +I had anything particular to communicate to him, and +whether I had received any further letters. I told him I +had received some private ones from L'Orient, but that +none from the President of Congress had as yet, reached +me, though I had reason to expect one by that opportunity, +as well as by the vessel lately arrived at Cadiz. I +informed him of my having received from Mr Harrison a +copy of his memorial to the Governor of Cadiz, complaining +that letters brought for him by the Virginia, from Philadelphia, +had been stopped at the gates, on pretence, that +they must agreeably to an ordinance for that purpose be +put into the post office, and charged with the like postage +as if brought from Spanish America. He said he had +not yet received a copy of the memorial, but that there +was such an ordinance, and that it was highly proper the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_467" id="Page_467">467</a></span> +admission of letters into the kingdom, especially in time of +war, should be under the direction of government. That +letters from North America rendered new regulations +necessary, and that he would turn his thoughts to this subject, +and do what should appear equitable. This was +another proof of what I before suspected, and looked like +an indirect apology for opening my letters.</p> + +<p>It surprised me a little that he said nothing of the remarks +he had desired me to make on M. Gardoqui's +going to America, especially as he had appointed this +meeting for that purpose. To give him further time, I +started a new subject, and begged he would take the earliest +opportunity of completing the business of the Dover +cutter. Notwithstanding all that had before passed between +us about this affair, he affected to be very ignorant +of it, and asked me a number of questions. I recapitulated +the circumstances of the capture, my several applications to +him on the subject, his promise finally to order the +prize to be appraised, and the value to be paid to the captors, +the arrival of one of them at Madrid, &c. &c. He +replied, with some degree of quickness and perplexity, that +it was not a lawful prize, the crew not having authority to +do what they did; that he had sent to the Canaries for +particular information respecting the value, &c. that two +of the packet boats had been taken; that he would pay +some gratuity to the captors, and wished I would give him +another state of the whole case in writing, to refresh his +memory, which I promised to do, and have since done.</p> + +<p>He then resumed the subject of the letter, which I expected +from Congress. He expressed his regret at its not +having arrived, said he was preparing instructions for M. +Gardoqui, who would certainly depart in June, and that +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_468" id="Page_468">468</a></span> +until I could give him precise information of the dispositions +of Congress, he could not enter into any further conversations +on the subject of the proposed treaty. I joined +in regretting the miscarriage of my public letter, and the +more so, as my private ones gave me reason to expect +instructions, which would enable me to comply so far with +his Majesty's views, as that I hoped no further delays +would intervene to prevent a perfect union between Spain +and the United States. That my correspondence had +given me to understand that Congress viewed the speedy +accomplishment of this union as very important to the +common cause; and, therefore, if Spain would consent +forthwith to come into it, in that case they would gratify +his Majesty by ceding to him the navigation of the Mississippi, +below their territories, on reasonable terms.</p> + +<p>He replied, that he earnestly desired to see all difficulties +on this point removed, but that the treaties subsisting +between Spain and other nations, as well as the particular +policy and determination of Spain, rendered it necessary +that she should possess the exclusive navigation of the +Gulf of Mexico. After a variety of other remarks of little +importance, he made a very interesting observation, which +will help us to account for the delays of the Court, viz. +That all these affairs could with more facility be adjusted +at a general peace than now, for that such a particular, and +even secret treaty with us might then be made, as would +be very convenient to both. That he nevertheless wished +to know exactly the views and intentions of Congress, but +that I must wait for the arrival of my letters, and that he +would in the meantime finish M. Gardoqui's instructions, +whose going to America, he did not doubt, would make a +useful impression on the English Court. I was beginning +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_469" id="Page_469">469</a></span> +to reply to what he said when he interrupted me, by mentioning +his not having time at present to prolong the conference.</p> + +<p>Throughout the whole of this conversation, the Count +appeared much less cordial than in the preceding one; he +seemed to want self-possession, and to that cause I ascribe +his incautiously mentioning the general peace as the most +proper season for completing our political connexions. I +had, nevertheless, no reason to suspect that this change in +his behavior arose from any cause more important than +those variations in temper and feelings, which they, who +are unaccustomed to govern themselves often experience +from changes in the weather, in their health, from fatigue of +business, or other such like accidental causes.</p> + +<p>As I had not as yet received any letter from the President, +either by the Virginia, or the vessel lately arrived +at L'Orient, nor by Colonel Laurens, who, I was informed, +had brought letters for me, I concluded it would +be most prudent to wait ten days, or a fortnight, before I +proceeded to act on the copy of my instruction received +from Mr. Lovell, expecting that such other letters as might +then have arrived in France or Spain for me, would reach +me in the course of that interval, if at all. And I determined, +in case I should receive none, to proceed, without +further loss of time, to make a formal overture to the Minister +for a treaty on the ground of this instruction. It happened, +however, that the Minister was so occupied during +the remaining time that the Court staid at Aranjues, by +the expedition preparing to sail from Cadiz, under the +Duke of Crillon, and other matters, that it was impossible +to engage a moment of his attention to American affairs. +The removal of the Court to Madrid necessarily consumed +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_470" id="Page_470">470</a></span> +some time, and as soon as they were well settled +there, I wrote the Count the following letter; none of the +letters expected from America having come to my hands.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, July 2d, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"When Congress were pleased to order me to Spain, +with the commission of which I have had the honor of presenting +a copy to your Excellency, I left my country with +the most sanguine expectations, that the important objects +of it would be speedily accomplished. The proofs they +had received of his Majesty's friendship for them, the interests +of a common cause, and the information they had +received from persons whom they conceived in capacity to +give it, all conspired to infuse these hopes.</p> + +<p>"On my arrival, your Excellency gave me to understand, +that the realising these expectations would turn on +one point, and I have uniformly since been informed, that +this point was the navigation of the Mississippi below the +territories of the United States, in which Congress desired +to retain a common right, but of which the maxims of +policy adopted by his Majesty required the exclusive use.</p> + +<p>"I have now the honor of informing your Excellency, +that Congress, in order to manifest in the most striking +manner the sincerity of their professions to his Majesty, +and with a view that the common cause may immediately +reap all the advantages naturally to be expected from a +cordial and permanent union between France, Spain, and +the United States, have authorised me to agree to such +terms relative to the point in question, as to remove the +difficulties to which it has hitherto given occasion. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_471" id="Page_471">471</a></span></p> + +<p>"Permit me, therefore, to hope, that his Majesty will +now be pleased to become the ally of the United States, +and for that purpose authorise some person or persons to +adjust with me the several points of compact necessary to +form a union, which, by being founded on mutual interest, +may be no less satisfactory than it certainly will be important +to both countries.</p> + +<p>"Your Excellency will oblige me exceedingly, by putting +it in my power to give Congress early, explicit, and, +let me add, agreeable information of his Majesty's pleasure +and intentions on the subject of this letter.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> + +</div> + +<p>Although it was sufficiently evident, that the Court of +France could not, for the reasons assigned in my letter to +Congress, of the 6th of November, 1780, openly and +warmly interpose their good offices to bring about this +treaty, it nevertheless appeared to me most prudent, to +behave on this occasion towards the Ambassador, as if I +knew nothing of those reasons, and, therefore, sent him a +copy of the aforegoing letter to the Minister, enclosed in +one of which the following is a copy.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">TO THE COUNT DE MONTMORIN.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">"Madrid, July 2d, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency +herewith enclosed, a copy of a letter I have this day written +to his Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca. I +have thereby informed him of my being authorised to remove +the objections hitherto made by the Court of Spain +to a treaty of alliance with the United States, and again +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_472" id="Page_472">472</a></span> +requested that the measures necessary for the purpose +may now be taken.</p> + +<p>"Permit me to request, that the favorable interposition of +our kind and generous ally with his Catholic Majesty +may be exerted to commence the proposed negotiation, +and bring it to a speedy and happy conclusion.</p> + +<p>"The confidence justly reposed by America in the +amity and assurances of his Most Christian Majesty, forbid +me to urge this request by any arguments, (persuasives +being indelicate, when not warranted by doubts of inclination.) +I am happy in reflecting, that his instructions on +this subject are committed to the execution of a Minister, +from whose attachment, as well as from whose talents and +address, the American cause may expect to derive advantage.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> +<p>The instructions above alluded to are those, which +Count de Vergennes, in his letter to me of the 13th of +March, 1780, assures me should be sent to their Ambassador +here. I must confess to Congress, that I very +much doubt his ever having received any other instructions, +than generally to favor the treaty, and to manage his +interference in such a delicate manner, as, without alarming +the pride of Spain, to give both parties reason to think +themselves obliged.</p> + +<p>The French Ambassador sent me no answer to this +letter, which, in my opinion, gives a greater degree of +probability to my conjectures. I must, nevertheless, do +him the justice to say that I have great reason to believe +him to be in sentiment, and with sincere attachment, a +friend to our cause; and that he considers the honor and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_473" id="Page_473">473</a></span> +interest of France deeply concerned in the success and +support of it.</p> + +<p>On the 11th of July, having received no answer from +the Minister, I waited upon him. He told me, he had received +my letter, but that the short time the Court would +remain at Madrid, and the multiplicity of business that he +was obliged to despatch, would not admit of his attending +to our affairs till after the arrival of the Court at St Ildefonso. +He then informed me, that a vessel had arrived at +Cadiz, which had brought despatches for me, and that his +courier had brought them to Madrid. He then delivered +me a number of letters, among which was one from his +Excellency the President, of the 28th of May last.<a name="FNanchor_32" id="FNanchor_32" href="#Footnote_32" class="fnanchor">[32]</a></p> + +<p>I need not observe, that all these letters bore evident +marks of inspection, for that has uniformly been the case +with almost every letter I have received.</p> + +<p>I do not recollect to have ever received a letter that +gave me more real pleasure. When I considered, that +almost the whole time since I left America had afforded +me little else than one continued series of painful perplexities +and embarrassments, many of which I neither expected, +nor ought to have met with; that I had been +engaged in intricate and difficult negotiations, often at a +loss to determine where the line of prudence was to be +found, and constantly exposed by my particular situation to +the danger of either injuring the dignity and interest of my +country on the one hand, or trespassing on the overrated +respectability and importance of this Court, on the other; +I say, Sir, that on considering these things, the approbation +of Congress gave me most singular and cordial satisfaction.</p> + +<p><span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_474" id="Page_474">474</a></span></p> + +<p>I was also happy to perceive from this letter, that the +plan of my late letters to the Minister and French Ambassador, +of the 2d of July, above recited, happens to correspond +exactly with the views of Congress, respecting the +manner of conducting this negotiation.</p> + +<p>It appearing to me, that the communication I was directed +to make to this Court could not be better made +than in the very words of this letter, which seemed exceedingly +well calculated for the purpose, I recited them +in a letter, which I wrote two days afterwards to the Minister, +viz.</p> +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, July 13th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have now the honor of communicating to your Excellency +a copy of certain instructions I have just received +from Congress, dated the 28th of May, 1781, and which +were included in the despatches, which your Excellency +was so obliging as to deliver to me the evening before the +last, viz.</p> + +<p>"It is their instruction, that you continue to acknowledge +on all suitable occasions, the grateful impression made on +these States by the friendly disposition manifested towards +them by his Catholic Majesty, and particularly by the +proofs given of it in the measures which he has taken, and +which it is hoped he will further take for preserving their +credit, and for aiding them with a supply of clothing for +their army.</p> + +<p>"You are also authorised and instructed to disavow in +the most positive and explicit terms, any secret understanding +or negotiation between the United States and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_475" id="Page_475">475</a></span> +Great Britain, to assure his Catholic Majesty that such +insinuations have no other source than the insidious designs +of the common enemy, and that as the United States +have the highest confidence in the honor and good faith, +both of his Most Christian and his Catholic Majesty, so it +is their inviolable determination to take no step, which shall +depart in the smallest degree from their engagements with +either.'</p> + +<p>"It gives me pleasure to observe that these instructions +confirm, in the fullest manner, the assurances and professions +I have heretofore made to your Excellency respecting +the sentiments and dispositions of the United States, +and I flatter myself that his Majesty will be pleased to consider +the assurances they contain, as receiving unquestionable +proofs of sincerity from the offer I have already made +to confirm them by deeds, no less important to the interests +than, I hope, consistent with the views and desires of his +Majesty.</p> + +<p>"I cannot omit this occasion of presenting my congratulations +on the success of his Majesty's arms at Pensacola. +This event cannot fail of being followed by important consequences +to the common cause, and may perhaps induce +the enemy to expect greater advantages from concluding +a reasonable peace, than continuing to protract an unrighteous +war.</p> + +<p>"Having understood, shortly after receiving my letters +from your Excellency, that the Court had also received +despatches from Philadelphia, I presumed that the communication +of any gazettes from thence, which indeed contain +all the intelligence I have, would be useless, and therefore +did not send them; but on considering that it was +possible that the papers I had might be of later date than +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_476" id="Page_476">476</a></span> +those which your Excellency might otherwise receive, I +now take the liberty of enclosing two, which contain accounts +somewhat interesting. If they should be new to +your Excellency, I beg that their not being sooner sent will +receive an apology from the abovementioned circumstance; +and that your Excellency will remain assured of the perfect +respect and consideration with which I have the honor +to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> +<p>I also took the earliest opportunity of mentioning to +the Ambassador of France, that my letters from America +gave me reason to believe that our union was daily growing +more warm and intimate, and that Congress, in writing of +their affairs here, had expressed themselves in the strongest +terms of attachment to his Most Christian Majesty, and not +only approved of my communicating freely and confidentially +with his Ambassador here, but also directed me in +express terms to endeavor, in the course of my negotiations, +to include and promote the interests of France.</p> + +<p>The Ambassador was much pleased. He told me his +letters assured him that the best understanding subsisted +between the French and American troops, and that much +good might be expected from the increasing harmony and +intercourse between the two countries.</p> + +<p>The Court removed to St Ildefonso without the Minister's +having either given any instructions to M. Gardoqui, +answered my abovementioned letters, or taken the least +notice of my late representations to them about the Dover +cutter, &c.</p> + +<p>The events of the campaign were as yet undecided, and +little money in the treasury. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_477" id="Page_477">477</a></span></p> + +<p>On the 21st of July the Minister wrote me the following +note, in which there was ample field left open for procrastination.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments +to Mr Jay, and has the honor of acquainting him, that he +has duly received his two letters of the 2d and 13th instant. +The short stay of the Court at Madrid allowing +time only to despatch the most pressing business, the +Count de Florida Blanca has not been able to take into +consideration the points, which form the object of the +abovementioned letters. He proposes therefore to do it +at present, in order to render an account thereof to the +King, and in the meanwhile he has the honor to repeat to +Mr Jay the assurances of the most perfect esteem and consideration.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>St Ildefonso, July 21st, 1781.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>On the 4th of August, I arrived here. I did not see the +Minister till the 8th, he being, as I was told, from home. +He had made no communications to the King. He had +been sick; he had been busy, and was so still. I requested +to be informed when it would be most convenient +to him to confer with me on the subject of my late letters, +and to give me such information relative to his Majesty's +intentions, as he might be prepared to communicate to me. +He answered, that he could not then fix a time, being +exceedingly hurried by pressing business. He asked +how long I proposed to stay, I told him till the Court removed. +He then promised to take an early opportunity +of conferring with me on the subject of our affairs, and +promised to send me word when he should be ready to +receive me. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_478" id="Page_478">478</a></span></p> + +<p>I remained in this state of suspense and expectation +until the 18th of August, when having been for a week +past very much indisposed with a fever and dysentery, +and fearing lest that circumstance might become a ground +of delay, I wrote the Count word, "that my health would +permit me to wait upon his Excellency at any time and +place he might do me the honor to name." He replied +two days afterwards, in a manner which indicated his supposing +I had gone to Madrid and had returned. He must +have known better, for none of my family had been absent +from hence, and one or other of them were almost daily +about the palace and gardens.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca is charmed to learn, that +Mr Jay has sufficiently recovered from his last indisposition +to make the journey from Madrid to this place, and +thanks him for his attention in communicating it to him.</p> + +<p>"The very pressing business with which he finds himself +at present surrounded does not permit him to fix the day +for a conference with Mr Jay, but the moment he shall +be a little disengaged, he will have the honor to advise +Mr Jay of it.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>St Ildefonso, August 20th, 1781.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>On the 22d I sent him a note enclosing a newspaper, +which contained an account of General Greene's operations, +the capture of Fort Watson, &c.</p> + +<p>The Count answered this note by another, expressing +his thanks for the intelligence, but not a word of a conference.</p> + +<p>On the 30th of August Major Franks arrived here with +interesting despatches, of which I must not here take +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_479" id="Page_479">479</a></span> +notice, lest I interrupt the thread of this letter, which I devote +particularly to the affair of our negotiations for a treaty.</p> + +<p>There was indeed among these despatches a very sensible +letter from Mr R. Morris to me about money matters,<a name="FNanchor_33" id="FNanchor_33" href="#Footnote_33" class="fnanchor">[33]</a> +&c. excellently well calculated for being shown +entire to the Minister.</p> + +<p>I consulted with the French Ambassador on the propriety +of giving the Minister a copy of it. He advised me +to do it, and much commended the letter. As it might +have suffered from being carelessly translated, I had it +put into very good French.</p> + +<p>I was very glad to see the Major. The nature of the +despatches he brought being a secret occasioned speculation, +and gave me an opportunity of drawing further advantages +from his arrival. His accounts of American affairs +were favorable to us, and the manner of his behavior and +conversation has not done discredit to himself, nor prejudice +to his country.</p> + +<p>The Ambassador of France having assured me that the +Minister had really been a good deal indisposed, I thought +it would be best to write him a letter in a style somewhat +adapted to his situation. He certainly appears to be fatigued, +and worn down by business. He looks as I have +seen some members of Congress look, after two years' +attendance.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">"St Ildefonso, September 3d, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"When I consider that the delicate state of your Excellency's +health demands a greater degree of leisure and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_480" id="Page_480">480</a></span> +relaxation, than the various business of your office will permit, +it is with great reluctance, that I can prevail upon +myself to remind your Excellency, that since our conference +at Aranjues, the affairs of the United States at this +Court have made no progress.</p> + +<p>"The short residence of his Majesty at Madrid, I am +persuaded, made it necessary to postpone the discussion of +these affairs to this place; and since my arrival here on +the 4th of August last, I have daily flattered myself with +being enabled to communicate to Congress his Majesty's +pleasure on the important subjects, which by their order +I have had the honor of laying before your Excellency.</p> + +<p>"It has also for some time past been my duty to have +requested your Excellency's attention to some other objects, +which, though of less public importance, are nevertheless +interesting to individuals, as well as to the commercial +intercourse of the two countries, but it did not appear +to be consistent with the respect due to your Excellency +to solicit your attention to new objects, while this former +remained undespatched for want of time.</p> + +<p>"It would give me great pleasure to have it in my power +to regulate all my applications by your Excellency's convenience, +and though I am happy to see the connexion +between our two countries daily increasing, yet as that +circumstance will naturally render necessary applications +to government more frequent, I fear the duties of my situation +will often press me to be troublesome to your Excellency.</p> + +<p>"On Friday evening last I received some important +despatches from Congress, which I shall do myself the +honor of communicating at any time, which your Excellency +may be pleased to name. The gentleman who +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_481" id="Page_481">481</a></span> +brought them, will after passing on to Paris, return immediately +to Philadelphia, and will with pleasure execute any +orders which your Excellency may honor him with, for +either of those places. His stay here will be but short. +As soon as I can ascertain the day of his departure, your +Excellency shall have immediate notice of it. As Congress +will naturally expect to receive by him particular +information respecting their affairs here, I cannot forbear +expressing how anxious I am to make him the bearer of +welcome tidings; and permit me to hope, that your Excellency's +sensibility will suggest an apology for the solicitude +which appears in this letter.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, with great respect, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>On the 5th, I received the following answer, viz.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca has been much mortified +not to be able to receive the visit of Mr Jay, not only on +account of the too pressing business, which has engaged +all his time, but also by reason of the indisposition he +has suffered, and still suffers.</p> + +<p>"Although he be not in a situation to engage in long +and serious conferences for the reasons abovementioned, +he will, nevertheless, be charmed to converse a moment +with Mr Jay, one of those leisure evenings when there is +no business with the King; in which case, Mr Jay may, if +he thinks proper, bring with him the officer in question.</p> + +<p>"Saturday, for instance, towards eight o'clock, the interview +may take place."</p> + +<p class="indent1"><i>Wednesday, the 5th of September.</i> +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_482" id="Page_482">482</a></span></p> +</div> + +<p>Your Excellency will be pleased to observe, that the +Minister in the above note intimates a desire that I should +bring Major Franks with me. I thought it best to do so; +but lest his presence should be a check upon business, and +as it was natural to suppose, that the Count would begin +by asking him questions about our affairs, I desired the +Major to relate to him the impression made in America by +that article in the capitulation of Pensacola, which permitted +the garrison to go to New York. I also desired the +Major to retire into the ante-chamber and leave me alone +with the Minister, as soon as the latter should appear to +have finished with him.</p> + +<p>At the time appointed, viz. the evening of the 8th of +September, we waited upon the Minister.</p> + +<p>The Count received us very politely. He spoke much +of his want of health, and how greatly it incapacitated him +for business. He then asked the Major several questions +about our military operations. The Major answered them +clearly, and, in speaking of the proposed siege of New +York, very naturally introduced an account of the surprise +and apprehensions occasioned by the permission given to +the Pensacola garrison to join that of New York. The +Count confessed it was ill done; said it was very unexpected, +and that they ought to have been sent to Europe; that +the like should not happen in future, and that proper orders +upon that subject should be despatched to their Generals. +He then observed, that our fears were not altogether +well founded, for that those troops were restrained by the +capitulation from taking arms against the allies of Spain +till exchanged, and could not operate against our troops +without also operating against those of France, who were +joined with them, and who, it was well known, were the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_483" id="Page_483">483</a></span> +allies of Spain. The Major replied, that it was feared that +the enemy would attempt to evade this reasoning, by insisting +that the French troops in America were only to be +considered as auxiliaries to the United States, and that +though that argument might be fallacious, yet, that in matters +affecting America, the enemy had invariably neglected +good faith, whenever they found it convenient.</p> + +<p>The Count asked how long the Major would stay here. +I told him, that I only detained him in expectation of being +soon enabled by his Excellency to write something decisive +by him to Congress on the subjects under his consideration. +He said he hoped in the course of next week +to enter into serious conferences with me on those subjects, +and that he would give me notice of the day. He +offered to give the Major letters to the Spanish Ambassador +at Paris, and to do him any other services in his +power. He then rose from his chair in a manner indicating +indisposition, said he was unable to do business, and +that M. Del Campo should inform me when it would be +convenient for him that I should see him again. I expressed +my regret at his illness, and gave him the French translation +of Mr Morris's letter, adding, that I had intended to +offer him some remarks on the subject of it. He said he +would read it with pleasure. He spoke of Mr Morris's +appointment, and after conversing a few minutes about the +good consequences expected from it, and of the services +done by that gentleman to Spain, in some business they +had committed to his care, we parted.</p> + +<p>Thus this conference ended as fruitless as the last.</p> + +<p>Eight days elapsed. I heard nothing from the Minister. +He was daily at Court, and every evening took his ride.</p> + +<p>I repeatedly mentioned and complained of these delays +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_484" id="Page_484">484</a></span> +to the French Ambassador. He regretted them, promised +to speak to the Minister on the subject; but, I believe, +did not. I appeared much dissatisfied, though not +with him; and told him, that if Major Franks returned to +America with no other intelligence than that of repeated +delays, it was more than probable that Congress would be +much hurt, as well as much disappointed. He had the +same fears, and advised me to detain the Major.</p> + +<p>It became in my opinion important, that the Minister, +as well as the French Ambassador, should be seriously apprehensive +of my dismissing the Major with letters, that +would render Congress very little disposed to make sacrifices +to this Court. The manner of doing this required +some caution. I could think of nothing better than to prepare +a letter to the Minister, and send the Ambassador a +fair copy of my draft for his consideration and advice.</p> + +<p>The following are copies of that letter, and of the one +I sent with it to the Ambassador.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title">TO THE COUNT DE MONTMORIN.</p> + +<p class="letter_head">"St Ildefonso, September 16th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"The paper herewith enclosed is the draft of a letter, +which I think of writing to his Excellency, the Count de +Florida Blanca.</p> + +<p>"The subject, as well as the occasion, demands that dexterous +and delicate management, of which they only are +capable, who possess an accurate judgment and much experience +in affairs of this kind.</p> + +<p>"I am happy, therefore, that on such occasions I can +avoid the risk of committing errors, by recurring to your +friendly advice. Without compliment, but with sincerity,</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY." +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_485" id="Page_485">485</a></span></p> +</div> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_title"> +TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA.</p> + +<p>"Whatever may be the issue of the American revolution, +whether that country shall continue independent, or +be doomed to reunite her power with that of Great Britain, +the good will and affection of the people of North America +cannot in either case be unimportant to their neighbors; +nor will the impressions made upon their minds by +the benefits or injuries, which they may receive from other +nations in the course of their present struggles, ever cease +to have a certain degree of influence on their future conduct.</p> + +<p>"Various circumstances led Congress at an early period +to suppose, that the Court of Spain had wisely and generously +determined to take a decided part in their favor. +The supplies granted to them by his Catholic Majesty, +soon after the British armies became numerous in America, +spoke this language in strong terms, and the assurances +repeatedly given me by your Excellency, that his Majesty +would firmly support their cause, and never consent to +their being reduced to the subjection of Britain, left no +room to doubt of his friendly disposition and intentions +towards them.</p> + +<p>"Many obvious considerations prompted Congress to +desire, that an intimate connexion might speedily be established +between the two countries by such treaties as +would take from the enemy every prospect of success, and +secure to Spain and the United States the permanent enjoyment +of mutual advantages and reciprocal attachment. +With this view Congress were pleased to send me to Spain, +and the first letter I had the honor of receiving from your +Excellency gave me reason to believe, that the object of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_486" id="Page_486">486</a></span> +my mission was not displeasing to his Majesty; unavoidable +and long delays were, nevertheless, created by differences +respecting a certain important right, which America +wished to retain. So strong, however, was the reliance of +Congress on his Majesty's assurances of support, and such +was their disposition to render the proposed treaties consistent +with his inclinations, that they have since agreed to +remove the only obstacle, which seemed to prevent his +Majesty from realising those assurances by substantial aids +and an open declaration of his intentions.</p> + +<p>"But unfortunately for America, and perhaps for the general +cause, the delays in question have not ceased with the +cause to which they were ascribed, and although the confidence +reposed by Congress in his Majesty's assurances +will not permit them to doubt of his determination to support +their independence, yet the silent inattention, with +which their offers to remove the former obstacle to a treaty +have long laid unanswered, must appear to them as being +very singular. Your Excellency has indeed repeatedly +promised me to name a time when I should have an opportunity +of conferring with you on that and other subjects +submitted to your consideration, but it constantly happened +that the expectations excited by these promises proved +abortive.</p> + +<p>"Knowing that Congress would expect to receive by the +return of Major Franks particular information respecting +their affairs here, I was anxious to send them some intelligence +more welcome than I have reason to think a detail +of delays and procrastination would be, in a season when +they would be indulging the most flattering expectations +from the measures they had taken to gratify his Majesty. +For this reason I informed your Excellency, that I should +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_487" id="Page_487">487</a></span> +detain Major Franks for the present, and your Excellency +promised me on the 8th instant, that you would appoint +some time in the ensuing week for entering into a serious +conference about these matters, and that M. Del Campo +should give me notice of it. That week, however, has +passed away without having been witness to any such +notice or conference.</p> + +<p>"I think your Excellency will do me the justice to acknowledge +that the utmost respect, delicacy, and patience, +have been observed in all my transactions with your Excellency, +and therefore I cannot forbear hinting that my +constituents are at least entitled to that species of attention, +which the most dignified sovereigns usually pay to the +friendly propositions of such States, as solicit either their +aid or alliance in a decent manner, viz. a candid answer.</p> + +<p>"I am sensible that Spain possesses a higher degree on +the scale of national importance than the United States, +and I can readily admit, that the friendship of this Court +is of more immediate consequence to America, than that +of America to the Spanish empire. But as his Catholic +Majesty and his Ministers doubtless extend their views +beyond the present moment, it would ill become me to +remark, how essential it is to the happiness of neighboring +nations, that their conduct towards each other should be +actuated by such passions and sentiments only, as naturally +tend to establish and perpetuate harmony and good will +between them. Most certain it is, that in whatever manner +the negotiations between Spain and North America +may terminate, various good or evil consequences will in +future naturally and necessarily flow from it to both.</p> + +<p>"There is good reason to believe, that the apparent indecision +of Spain, relative to an open acknowledgment of the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_488" id="Page_488">488</a></span> +independence of the United States, has inspired other nations +with doubts and conjectures unfavorable to the American +cause, and on the other hand, it is more than probable +that, if his Catholic Majesty would be pleased to declare to +the world, that the United States were his allies, and that +he had given his royal word to support their independence, +Holland and many other nations would follow his +example.</p> + +<p>"On such an event, also, it might not be difficult to form +a permanent alliance between France, Spain, the Dutch +and the United States, and thereby not only prevent a separate +peace between the Dutch and English, but effectually +reduce the latter to reasonable terms of general pacification.</p> + +<p>"The limits of a letter forbid my enlarging on these +topics. The eyes of America, and indeed of all Europe, +are turned towards Spain. It is in the power of his Catholic +Majesty to increase his friends and humble his enemies. +I will only add my most sincere wishes, that the +annals of America may inform succeeding generations, that +the wisdom, constancy, and generous protection of his +Catholic Majesty, Charles the Third, and of his Minister, +the Count de Florida Blanca, are to be ranked among the +causes that insured success to a revolution, which posterity +will consider as one of the most important and interesting +events in modern history.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>The Ambassador called upon me in the evening to answer +my letter.</p> + +<p>He observed, that the delays of which I complained +were not singular, but that others, and even himself, experienced +the like. That he had reason to believe this +Court were really disposed to treat with us, though the time +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_489" id="Page_489">489</a></span> +when might be doubtful. That the remarks made in the +draft of my intended letter were but too just; that he +feared they would give offence; that at any rate, he +thought I had better postpone it, and for the present write +one less pointed, and more laconic. We had much conversation +on the subject, unnecessary to repeat. It ended +in my consenting to pursue his advice.</p> + +<p>It is observable, that he did not offer to return me the +draft of this letter, though I had agreed to suppress it.</p> + +<p>The letter which, agreeable to the Ambassador's advice, +I substituted in the place of the other, is in these words, viz.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">St Ildefonso, September 17th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"A reluctance to despatch Major Franks without transmitting +by him to Congress the information they expect to +receive, on the subject I have had the honor of submitting +to your Excellency's consideration, has induced me hitherto +to detain him, especially as I was encouraged to hope +that your Excellency would have found leisure last week +for entering into serious conference with me on those important +points. The same reluctance prevails upon me to +detain him another week, and I think it my duty to inform +your Excellency that he will set out on Saturday next.</p> + +<p>"I need not remark to your Excellency, that if the letter +I may then write by him should not contain the desired +intelligence, Congress will naturally be led to apprehend +that their expectations of forming an intimate union with +Spain were not well founded.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY." +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_490" id="Page_490">490</a></span></p> +</div> + +<p>On the 19th, I received the following answer.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"The Count de Florida Blanca would have been charmed +to have had it in his power to have a long conference +with Mr Jay, if his ordinary indispositions had not prevented +him; he will, therefore, have the honor to see +him this evening about eight o'clock, if Mr Jay will give +himself the trouble of waiting on him, either alone or with +Major Franks, and in communicating to the King the result +of their conference, he will endeavor to prevail on +his Majesty to name some other person to confer with Mr +Jay in case of need, in order to avoid, as much as possible, +the embarrassments which Mr Jay has hitherto experienced.</p> + +<p class="indent1"><i>Wednesday, 19th of September, 1781.</i>"</p> +</div> + +<p>I waited upon the Count at the time appointed. The +following is a copy of my notes of that conference.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="embed_subtitle"> +<i>Notes of a Conference held at St Ildefonso, on Wednesday +Evening, the 19th of September, 1781, between his +Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca, and Mr Jay, +agreeably to the appointment of the former.</i></p> + +<p>The Count introduced the conference by asking for +Major Franks, and why Mr Jay did not bring him with +him. Mr Jay answered, that as Major Franks was not +charged with the transaction of any business with his Excellency, +and had, at a former interview, answered such +questions relative to American affairs as the Count had +thought proper to ask him, Mr Jay did not think his attendance +on this occasion necessary, as he supposed his +Excellency meant to enter at present into the discussion +of the matters referred to in Mr Jay's last letter. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_491" id="Page_491">491</a></span></p> + +<p>The Count then proceeded to enumerate the various +obstacles arising from his ill health, the multiplicity of +business, which had so long subjected Mr Jay to the delays +he had hitherto experienced, and which, for his part, he could +not but regret; that agreeable to his promise made to Mr. +Jay soon after his arrival, and frequently afterwards repeated, +he had attempted to commit to paper his sentiments +on the various points on which the proposed treaties +must turn, and although he had made some progress in it, +he had, for the reasons abovementioned, been obliged to +leave it imperfect; that daily experience convinced him +that his official business was too extensive and various to +admit of his application to other objects, especially as his +indisposition often rendered it impracticable for him to pay +a due attention to it; that he, therefore, conceived it +necessary that some person, duly authorised to confer with +Mr Jay on these subjects, should be appointed by his Majesty; +that he intended on Sunday next to recommend +this measure to the King, to whom he would at the same +time communicate the copy of Mr Morris's letter to Mr +Jay, which the latter had given him; that in order to the +putting of this matter in proper train, it would be expedient +for Mr Jay previously to commit to paper his ideas +of the outlines of the proposed treaties, and particularly to +state the propositions he might think proper to make relative +thereto; that he had been informed, that the treaties +between France and America had been preceded by the +like measures; for that the American Commissioners had +first offered a plan of propositions, and then M. Gerard +was appointed to confer with them before those treaties +were drawn into the state they now appear, and finally +concluded. That the like proceedings were rendered +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_492" id="Page_492">492</a></span> +particularly necessary in this case, by the variety and importance +of the points necessary to be adjusted between +Spain and America; that in forming political connexions +between nations, constant regard must be had to their reciprocal +interests, and care taken, by previous arrangements, +to avoid the inconveniences which would result +from any clashing of interest; that three great points presented +themselves, as requiring great attention, in forming +the proposed connexion between Spain and America.</p> + +<p>1st. The aids requested by America, as stated in Mr +Morris's letter, were very considerable; that it would be +necessary, on the part of Spain to determine what pecuniary +aids it might be in their power to grant either by +loan or subsidy, as well as the time, place, and manner of +payment; for that great punctuality was requisite in such +transactions, as well that the royal engagements might be +properly fulfilled, as that Congress might not be subjected +to inconveniences and disappointments; that on the part of +America, it must be ascertained what compensation they +should make, as well as the time and manner of doing it; +and that it might be well to consider how far such compensation +might be made in ship timber, or other productions +of that country; that a compensation would be indispensable, +for that the King, being only the guardian of his +dominions, would not think himself justifiable in dispensing +with the just rights of his people.</p> + +<p>2dly. That the commercial concerns of the two countries +was another point, which would call for very accurate +and important regulations. That so far as this commerce +would respect the United States and old Spain, the +difficulty would not be very great; for that such commerce +being in a considerable degree permitted to other +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_493" id="Page_493">493</a></span> +nations, America ought also to participate in the benefits of +it. But with respect to the Spanish dominions in America, +as all other nations were excluded from any direct commerce +with any part of them, the United States could not +reasonably expect to be on a better footing than other +nations, and particularly the French, who were the near +allies of Spain.</p> + +<p>3dly. That with respect to the proposed treaty of alliance, +Mr Jay must be sensible, that the several engagements, +which would thereby be rendered necessary between +the parties, the matters of boundary, and the navigation +of the Mississippi, would give occasion to several important +articles, which ought to be maturely considered +and well digested. To this end, he wished that Mr Jay +would immediately turn his thoughts on these subjects, +and offer him such a set of propositions, as might become +the basis of future conferences between him and the person +whom he expected his Majesty would appoint.</p> + +<p>The Count then took occasion to observe, that he had +long wished Mr Jay had offered him such propositions, but +that his Court had as yet received from Congress nothing +but good words and fair assurances, and that though his +Majesty had given them some little aids, yet they had discovered +no disposition, by acts, to acknowledge them. Mr +Jay reminded his Excellency of his having, at a very early +day, undertaken to commit to paper the outlines of the +proposed treaties, and that the constant expectations of his +perfecting it, had restrained Mr Jay from offering anything +of the like nature on the subject. That he could conceive +of nothing in the power of Congress to do, which could +more fully evidence their disposition to gratify his Majesty, +than their having offered to recede from their claims to the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_494" id="Page_494">494</a></span> +navigation of the Mississippi, though the preservation of it +was deemed of the highest importance to their constituents. +The Count admitted the propriety of both these +observations, and said he hoped that the delays, which had +so long embarrassed Mr Jay, would soon be terminated.</p> + +<p>Mr Jay expressed his anxiety to be enabled to communicate +to Congress some decided intelligence, respecting +the aids they might expect from this Court; to which the +Count replied, that the sum requested was great, the expenses +of the kingdom very extensive, and the means of +obtaining the sums necessary to defray them subject to +many difficulties; that he would, as he had before mentioned, +communicate Mr Morris's letter to the King, and, +until that was done, he could not be in capacity to say anything +further on the subject; that as the appointment of a +person to confer with Mr Jay would rest with his Majesty, +he could not say who in particular it would be, but he +hoped, and was persuaded that it would be some person +well-intentioned towards America; that he was the more +confirmed in this expectation, from the friendly disposition, +which the King had early and constantly manifested towards +that country; that he would again repeat what he +had before told Mr Jay, viz. that the King, when acting in +capacity of mediator for a peace, had refused to permit that +country to be sacrificed; that since the rupture with Britain, +tempting and advantageous offers had been made to +him to withdraw his protection from America, and conclude +a separate peace; that he had rejected these offers, +and still continued determined to support the States; that +this conduct ought to be viewed as extremely generous, +as no political connexions or engagements did then, or do +as yet subsist between the two countries. Mr Jay assured +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_495" id="Page_495">495</a></span> +his Excellency that the magnanimity of this conduct had +made a deep impression on the people of America; that +nothing but want of opportunity would ever prevent their +expressing it more strongly than by words, and that the +sense they entertained of it, had greatly influenced the late +measure they had taken to comply with his Majesty's desires. +The Count then pressed Mr Jay again to send him +the paper above mentioned before Sunday, adding that he +sincerely wished nothing might be wanted to put the business +in a proper train; that for his part, he had the best +disposition towards America, as well as personal regard +for Mr Jay, and, after adding some complimentary expressions +relative to the character of the latter, he concluded.</p> +</div> + +<p>I was a little surprised that the Count should expect to +receive from me, in the course of three days, formal propositions +on the several points stated in this conference. But +it would not have been proper for me to desire further +time.</p> + +<p>On the 22d of September, I sent him the following letter +and propositions.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">"Sir,</p> + +<p>"I have the honor of transmitting, herewith enclosed, the +propositions requested by your Excellency on Wednesday +evening last.</p> + +<p>"I have endeavored to render them as short and simple +as possible, and I flatter myself that the unreserved frankness +with which they are written will be no less agreeable +to your Excellency, than I am sure it is consistent with the +desire and disposition of my constituents.</p> + +<p>"As the issue of this measure will in a great degree ascertain +the expectations which Congress entertain from +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_496" id="Page_496">496</a></span> +their negotiations here, and as they flatter themselves with +receiving information on this subject by the return of Major +Franks, they will doubtless excuse my detaining him +another week, unless your Excellency should sooner be +enabled to communicate to me his Majesty's pleasure relative +to the proposed treaty.</p> + +<p>"Permit me to entreat your Excellency, therefore, to +enable me to transmit by him such intelligence to Congress, +as may relieve them from their present distressing doubts +and uncertainties.</p> + +<p>"I sincerely hope it may be such as may make them +happy in a prospect of soon seeing an intimate and lasting +union established between France, Spain, and the United +States, a union which, by being raised on the solid foundation +of mutual interest and reciprocal advantages, may secure +to each the blessings of uninterrupted tranquillity. +This generous policy pervades the treaties already formed +between his Most Christian Majesty and the United States, +and I am happy in being persuaded, that the magnanimity +of his Catholic Majesty's conduct towards my country, on +this and other occasions, will furnish materials for some +bright pages in the American annals.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"I have the honor to be, Sir, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>Here follow the propositions alluded to, and sent enclosed +in the preceding letter.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="letter_head">"St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781.</p> + +<p>"As the time allowed Mr Jay for offering such propositions, +as may become the basis of the proposed treaty between +his Catholic Majesty and the United States of North +America, is very short, he should fear the consequences of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_497" id="Page_497">497</a></span> +haste and inaccuracy, if he were not persuaded that the +candor, with which they will be received, will secure him +from the inconveniences to which these circumstances +might otherwise expose him.</p> + +<p>"Mr Jay presumes that it is not expected he should offer +a plan of a treaty drawn at length, but only general propositions, +which may be so modified and enlarged, as on due +consideration and discussion may appear expedient. With +this view, he begs leave to present the following as the +basis of a treaty of amity and alliance, viz.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">PROPOSITIONS.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">I.</p> + +<p>"There shall forever subsist an inviolable and universal +peace and friendship between his Catholic Majesty and the +United States, and the subjects and citizens of both.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">II.</p> + +<p>"That every privilege, exemption, and favor, with respect +to commerce, navigation, and personal rights, which +now are, or hereafter may be granted, by either, to any the +most favored nation, be also granted by them to each +other.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">III.</p> + +<p>"That they mutually extend to the vessels, merchants, +and inhabitants of each other, all that protection, which is +usual and proper between friendly and allied nations.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">IV.</p> + +<p>"That the vessels, merchants, or other subjects of his +Catholic Majesty, and the United States, shall not resort to, +or be permitted (except in cases which humanity allows to +distress,) to enter into any of those ports or dominions of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_498" id="Page_498">498</a></span> +the other, from which the most favored nation shall be excluded.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">V.</p> + +<p>"That the following commerce be prohibited, and declared +contraband between the subjects of his Catholic Majesty +and the United States, viz.</p> + +<p>"All such as his Catholic Majesty may think proper to +specify.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Remarks.</span> "On this proposition Mr Jay can offer nothing, +but an assurance of his being ready to concur in every +reasonable regulation that may be proposed.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">VI.</p> + +<p>"The United States shall relinquish to his Catholic Majesty, +and in future forbear to use, or attempt to use, the +navigation of the river Mississippi from the thirtyfirst degree +of north latitude, that is, from the point where it +leaves the United States, down to the ocean.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Remarks.</span> "The impression made upon the United +States by the magnanimity of his Majesty's conduct towards +them; the assistance they hope to receive from the +further exertions of the same magnanimity; the deep +wound which an alliance with so great a monarch would +give to the hopes and efforts of the enemy; the strong +support it would afford to their independence; the favorable +influence which the example of such a King would +have on other nations, and the many other great and +extensive good consequences which would result at this +interesting period from his Majesty's taking so noble and +decided a part in their favor, have all conspired in prevailing +upon Congress to offer to relinquish in his favor, the +enjoyment of this territorial and national privilege, the importance +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_499" id="Page_499">499</a></span> +of which, to their constituents, can only be estimated +by the value they set upon his Majesty's friendship.</p> + +<p>"By this proposition, the United States offer to forego +all the advantages and conveniences, which nature has +given to the country bordering on the upper parts of that +river, by ceasing to export their own, and receiving in +return the commodities of other countries by that only +channel, thereby greatly reducing the value of that country, +retarding its settlement, and diminishing the benefits +which the United States would reap from its cultivation.</p> + +<p>"Mr Jay thinks it his duty frankly to confess, that the +difficulty of reconciling this measure to the feelings of +their constituents, has appeared to Congress in a serious +light, and they now expect to do it, only by placing in the +opposite scale the gratitude due to his Catholic Majesty, +and the great and various advantages, which the United +States will derive from the acknowledgment and generous +support of their independence by the Spanish monarchy, +at a time when the vicissitudes, dangers, and difficulties +of a distressing war, with a powerful, obstinate, and +vindictive nation, renders the friendship and avowed protection +of his Catholic Majesty in a very particular manner +interesting to them. The offer of this proposition, +therefore, being dictated by these expectations and this +combination of circumstances, must necessarily be limited +by the duration of them, and consequently, that if the acceptance +of it should, together with the proposed alliance, +be postponed to a general peace, the United States will +cease to consider themselves bound by any propositions, or +offers, which he may now make in their behalf.</p> + +<p>"Nor can Mr Jay omit mentioning the hopes and expectations +of Congress, that his Majesty's generosity and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_500" id="Page_500">500</a></span> +greatness of mind will prompt him to alleviate, as much +as possible, the disadvantages to which this proposition subjects +the United States, by either granting them a free port, +under certain restrictions, in the vicinity, or by such other +marks of his liberality and justice, as may give him additional +claims to the affection and attachment of the United +States.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">VII.</p> + +<p>"That his Catholic Majesty shall guaranty to the United +States all their respective territories.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">VIII.</p> + +<p>"That the United States shall guaranty to his Catholic +Majesty all his dominions in North America.</p> + +<p class="embed_title">Lastly.</p> + +<p>"As the aforegoing propositions appear to Mr Jay the +most essential, he omits proposing those less and subordinate +ones, which seem to follow of course. He therefore +concludes this subject with a general offer and propositions +to make and admit all such articles as, in the course of this +negotiation, shall appear conducive to the great objects of +the proposed treaty.</p> + +<p><span class="smcap">Remarks</span>. "Nothing on Mr Jay's part shall be wanting +to expedite the happy conclusion of this business, by adhering +constantly to the dictates of candor, frankness, and +unsuspecting confidence.</p> + +<p>"He is ready to receive the treaty between the United +States and his Christian Majesty, as a model for this, or +with such alterations as, founded on the principles of reciprocity, +may be more agreeable to his Catholic Majesty, it +being his earnest desire to arrive at the important objects +of his mission in any way his Majesty may be pleased to +prefer. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_501" id="Page_501">501</a></span></p> + +<p>"The subject of aids, either by subsidy or loan as may +be most convenient to his Majesty, will require a particular +convention, but as the manner, extent, and terms depend +on his Majesty's pleasure, it is impossible for Mr +Jay, without some knowledge of it, to offer propositions +adapted thereto. All that he can at present say on that +subject is, that Congress are ready to do everything in +their power. He will not, however, endeavor to conceal +their incapacity to do much in the way of compensation, +while the enemy shall continue to make the United States +the theatre of a desolating war, and the object of their +predatory operations. But when those obstacles shall +cease, it will be in their power, as well as their inclination, +to make retribution, and render important services to his +Majesty. Mr Jay will therefore continue to decline attempting +to induce his Majesty to take any measures, however +favorable to his country, by delusive promises, or +rash engagements; but on the other hand, he is ready to +enter into such reasonable ones, as he may have good +reason to say shall be faithfully and punctually performed.</p> + +<p>"A particular treaty regulating the conduct to be observed +by his Catholic Majesty, and the United States, +towards each other during the war, also appears to Mr +Jay important to both; but as the proper plans and articles +of such a treaty can only result from a free conference +on the subject, he can upon this occasion only +express his readiness to concur in every provision, which +may be calculated to give energy and success to the operations +and objects of both.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY."</p> +</div> + +<p>Your Excellency will be pleased to observe, that among +my remarks on the sixth proposition, I have limited the +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_502" id="Page_502">502</a></span> +duration of the offer contained in it. I did this from a +persuasion, that such limitation was not only just and reasonable +in itself, but absolutely necessary to prevent this +Court's continuing to delay a treaty to a general peace. +Besides what the Minister dropped upon this head in his +conference with me at Aranjues, I think it probable that +they still wish to adhere to that idea. To me they appear +desirous of avoiding the expense that the aids, which a +treaty we should expect would render unavoidable, and +which at present would not be very convenient for them. +They wish to see our independence established, and yet +not be among the first to subscribe a precedent, that may +one day be turned against them. They wish not to exclude +themselves, by any present engagements, from taking +advantage of the chances and events of the war, not choosing +on the one hand, that in case we sink, that we should +be fastened to them by any particular ties, nor on the other +hand, in case we survive the storm, to be so circumstanced +as not to make the most of us. I think it is their design, +therefore, to draw from us all such concessions as our +present distress, and the hopes of aid may extort, and by +protracting negotiations about the treaty, endeavor to avail +themselves of these concessions at a future day, when our +inducements to offer them shall have ceased. As this would +evidently be unjust, I think the limitation in question can +give them no offence, and I hope Congress will be pleased +to communicate to me their sentiments on the subject.</p> + +<p>I must also remark, that after what has passed, and considering +how well they are acquainted with my instructions, +it would not only have been useless, but absurd, to have +made these propositions otherwise than agreeably to those +instructions. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_503" id="Page_503">503</a></span></p> + +<p>Congress may at first view be a little surprised at the +extent of the fifth proposition, but when they compare it +with the second, I am persuaded they will find it sufficiently +restrained.</p> + +<p>In forming these propositions, it was my determination +to leave them so free from disputed, or disputable points, +as that no plausible pretexts for delay should arise from +the face of them. I am well apprised, nevertheless, that +in the course of the negotiation, it will be impossible for +me to prevent their practising as much procrastination as +they may find convenient. Almost the only hope I have +of their seriously doing business arises from their fearing, +that the instruction respecting the Mississippi will be recalled +the moment that either any very decided successes +on our part in America may render a treaty with Spain +of less importance to us, or a general treaty of peace give +us different views and prospects.</p> + +<p>These are my conjectures and opinions. Perhaps they +may prove erroneous; as facts accompany them, Congress +will be enabled to judge for themselves. I will add, +that from everything I can hear, the King is honestly disposed +to do us good, and were he alone to be consulted in +this business, I believe it would soon be concluded.</p> + +<p>On the 23d of September, the foregoing propositions +were to be laid before the King. I heard nothing further +from the Minister until the 27th, when he sent me the +following note.</p> + +<div class="blockquot"> +<p class="translation">Translation.</p> + +<p>"Although the last letter of Mr Jay, accompanied with +a certain plan, was transmitted on Saturday in the evening +to the Count de Florida Blanca, and although he could +not inform himself of their contents until translated from +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_504" id="Page_504">504</a></span> +the English, he nevertheless did not fail to render an account +thereof to the King in his despatch of Sunday. His +Majesty having then shown himself disposed to appoint +some person to confer with Mr Jay, it is become necessary +to prepare a suitable instruction, and present it to the King +for his approbation. The Count de Florida Blanca flatters +himself, that he shall be able to arrange this affair +before the departure of the Count for the Escurial, and in +the meanwhile, he has the honor to transmit to Mr Jay a +passport for Major Franks.</p> + +<p class="indent1">"<i>Thursday, September 27th, 1781.</i>"</p> +</div> +<p>I have been given to understand, though not officially, +that M. Del Campo, the Minister's Secretary, is the person +who will be appointed to confer with me, and though +that gentleman is constantly about the Minister, yet it +seems, that a set of formal instructions are to be prepared +for him. When the Minister will be able to find either +time or health to complete them is uncertain.</p> + +<p>There is reason to believe, that still less progress would +have been made in this affair, had Major Franks not have +arrived. I regret his detention, but hope the reasons +assigned for it will be deemed sufficient; I am perfectly +satisfied with him.</p> + +<p>Notwithstanding Congress had given me reason to expect, +that the plan of drawing bills upon me had been laid aside, +I have now bills to the amount of between seventy +and eighty thousand dollars to pay, and no funds provided. +What am I to do? Dr Franklin writes me, that so far +from being able to give me further aids, he does not +expect to have it in his power even to pay our salaries in +future. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_505" id="Page_505">505</a></span></p> + +<p>From the facts stated in this letter, Congress will perceive +that this Court neither refuse nor promise to afford us +further aid. Delay is their system; when it will cease I +cannot conjecture, for that is a question which I doubt +whether they themselves have as yet determined.</p> + +<p>I am indebted largely to Mr Harrison for money advanced +by him to distressed seamen. He ought to be +paid, and it is so far from being in my power to do it, that +I have been reduced to the mortifying necessity of desiring +him for the present to hold his hand. A great many of +this valuable class of people are confined in English gaols, +without other means of obtaining their enlargement than by +entering into the enemy's service. They complain bitterly +of being neglected by their country, and I really think not +without reason. Retaliation ought to be practised, and if +we have not a sufficient number of marine officers and +seamen in our power to make the objects of it, why would +it be improper to substitute landsmen?</p> + +<p>As to Portugal, I have more than once spoken to the +Minister on the subject. He admits the justice of our being +treated by that as by other neutral nations. He has +promised to interfere in our behalf, but nothing efficacious +has yet been done. To send an agent there, could do no +harm, and might do good; I am therefore for it. The +Ambassador of France thinks with me, that before that +step is taken, it ought to be confidentially communicated to +this Court, and I am persuaded difficulties will arise from +it. I shall do my best.</p> + +<p>M. Gardoqui's departure is uncertain. He is still attending +the orders of the Court. I doubt his receiving them +till the campaign closes, and perhaps not then.</p> + +<p>I do not despair of seeing some good result, finally, from +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_506" id="Page_506">506</a></span> +all this complication of political solecisms. It would not +surprise me if we should in the end be the gainers by +them. My greatest fears are about the fate of the bills. +If protested, for want of payment, they will become the +source of much evil.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<p><i>P. S.</i> I have this instant received a letter from Commodore +Gillon, dated at Corunna, the 28th of September, +and one from Colonel Searle of the 26th of September. I +herewith enclose copies of them. Their contents are interesting. J. J.</p> + +<div class="footnotes"><h4>FOOTNOTES:</h4> + +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_30" id="Footnote_30"></a><a href="#FNanchor_30"><span class="label">[30]</span></a> See these letters at large in the <i>Secret Journal of Congress</i>, Vol. +II. pp. 323, 326. The latter was drawn up by Mr Madison.</p></div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_31" id="Footnote_31"></a><a href="#FNanchor_31"><span class="label">[31]</span></a> Secret Journal of Congress, Vol. II. p. 393.</p> +</div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_32" id="Footnote_32"></a><a href="#FNanchor_32"><span class="label">[32]</span></a> Secret Journal of Congress, Vol. II. p. 404.</p> +</div> +<div class="footnote"><p><a name="Footnote_33" id="Footnote_33"></a><a href="#FNanchor_33"><span class="label">[33]</span></a> See this letter above, p. <a href="#Page_449">449</a>.</p> +</div></div> +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Madrid, October 18th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Sir,</p> + +<p>Major Franks delivered me the despatches committed to +his care on the 30th of August. He set out for France +the 5th instant. My letters by him to your Excellency +will account for his remaining here so long. I also beg +leave to refer to them for other more interesting particulars.</p> + +<p>Congress will doubtless be informed that I have refused +to accept some of their bills. As the enemies of America +in Europe had, with some success, endeavored to render +the credit of our paper suspected, it appeared to me expedient +to state the reasons for these refusals very particularly, +and I caused them to be recited at large in the protests. +I have sent copies of them to Dr Franklin and Mr. +Adams, that in case these transactions should be represented +to our disadvantage, either in France or Holland, +they might be enabled to set the matter right. I now send +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_507" id="Page_507">507</a></span> +copies to Congress, to prevent their being alarmed at any +general report that may arrive in America, of my having +refused to accept their bills drawn upon me.</p> + +<p>Our merchants would, in my opinion, do well to write +their endorsements on bills at length, and in their own +hand writing. There is reason to believe that the enemy +often turn blank endorsements to good account.</p> + +<p>M. Gardoqui is here. Those ships of the Spanish flotilla, +which carried the treasure, are arrived at Cadiz. +Trenches are not yet opened against Fort St Philip at +Minorca. Another expedition is preparing at Cadiz; its +destination is uncertain.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I have the honor to be, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">JOHN JAY.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, November 1st, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>Your letter to Congress of April last having been read +and answered by them, though not so minutely as I would +wish, I forbear making any remarks upon it, because I am +not yet perfectly acquainted with their sentiments, (and +would not wish any which might interfere with them) having +just entered upon the office, in consequence of which I +open this correspondence, though long since appointed. I +beg of you, agreeably to the directions of Congress, to +address in future your public letters to me, and to notify +the Count de Florida Blanca of this alteration in our system, +our unacknowledged situation rendering it improper +to do it formally.</p> + +<p>Congress have at length completed the organization of +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_508" id="Page_508">508</a></span> +their executive departments, by the choice of General Lincoln +for their Secretary at War. It is expected that order +and system will arise out of this mode of doing business, +and the strictest economy.</p> + +<p>If the great powers of Europe, with every advantage +that settled governments enjoy, feel themselves under the +necessity of making foreign loans, can it be expected that +a war of six years, in the heart of our country, should +not have abridged the resources of a State, which had +every necessary for their army to import; which never +manufactured for itself; which had no marine; and which, +with a number of internal enemies in their bosom, had civil +governments to establish? Perhaps it would be impossible +to offer a better picture of the resources of this country, +and the stability of her funds when they shall be well managed, +than by comparing our present debt with the duration +of the war and the exertions we have made. For +though our enemies may allege, that our debt was relieved +by the depreciation of our bills, yet it must be remembered, +that that very depreciation was a tax, though an +unequal one, borne by the people of these States, and as +it has not produced national ruin, it must follow, that the +States had sufficient resources to bear this burthen. +These resources, though lessened, still remain.</p> + +<p>The only object for which Britain continues the war, is +the recovery of this country. What better plan of finance +then can be adopted by France or Spain, than by timely +aids of ships and money to blast this hope, and by a +speedy peace to terminate their expenses? If, on the contrary, +they wish to linger out the war till Britain is more +exhausted, this country affords them the easiest means of +doing it. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_509" id="Page_509">509</a></span></p> + +<p>Armies may be maintained here for one third of the expense +that Britain lays out upon hers. This France has +experienced. Though her affairs were not perhaps managed +with the strictest economy, though her bills were extremely +low, her supplies cost at least one third less than +the British paid at New York, without taking into account +the hire of transports, the seamen employed, paid, and fed +in that service, and the number of them that fell into our +hands. Be persuaded yourself, and endeavor to persuade +others, that if this is a war of finance, which all modern +wars are, Britain is most vulnerable in America.</p> + +<p>I congratulate you upon the important success of our +aims in South Carolina and Virginia, of which I enclose +you official accounts. On the returns you will remark a +number of British American nominal regiments. These +were recruiting in Virginia and North Carolina, and their +success will show the truth of what Britain advances with +respect to the number of her partisans in America. I will +venture to say, that with similar advantages, their recruiting +parties would have been more successful in any country +in Europe. Besides the troops mentioned in the returns, +the enemy lost during the siege near two thousand negroes. +Previous to the surrender, they had a naval engagement +with the Count de Grasse. The Terrible, a +British seventyfour, was burnt, so that our affairs here +stand upon the most respectable footing imaginable.—[Upwards +of thirty lines follow interspersed with a cypher, +the key to which is not to be found.]</p> + +<p>But this is a delicate subject, and I quit it till I am more +fully acquainted with the views of Congress thereon, for I +confess to you, that the sentiments I have hazarded are +rather my own, than any that I know to be theirs, and +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_510" id="Page_510">510</a></span> +should weigh accordingly with you. The provision trade +with the Havana being very considerable and important to +Spain, while she has fleets and armies to maintain there, it +might be proper to suggest to the Spanish Ministry the advantage +of allowing small convoys of frigates, which would +enable us to carry it on in vessels of greater burden, and +by that means diminish the expense of freight and insurance, +both of which, eventually, fall upon Spain. A few +frigates would answer the purpose, as the stations of the +enemy's ships are almost always known on this coast, and, +indeed, they seldom have any out but frigates cruising +singly.</p> + +<p>Another thought strikes me, which, perhaps, if digested, +might be ripened into a plan advantageous to France, +Spain, and America. While France keeps an army here, +she must draw bills, or export money. She has, for the +most part, preferred the former, at the loss of forty per +cent discount. The money of Spain is lodged at the +Havana, and cannot be brought to Europe without great +hazard; whereas the risk of sending it here under convoy +is extremely small. It may be vested in European bills to +such advantage, as to pay the whole expense of transportation, +and even an interest, till the bills are negotiated in +Europe. This plan affords France a market for her +bills, Spain a cheap and easy way of bringing her money +home, and America a circulating medium, which enables +her to tax with advantage.</p> + +<p>The enclosed act of Congress informs you of the appointment +of Mr Hanson, of Maryland, to the Presidentship.</p> + +<p>I shall write very frequently to you, and shall in return +expect that you will omit no opportunity of letting me hear +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_511" id="Page_511">511</a></span> +from you. A Court kalendar, if one is printed with you, +with notes of your own thereon, might be of some service +to us. I shall use our private cypher, as corrected by that +sent by Mr Toscan, till you receive the one transmitted by +Mr Thomson, in which case, as it is less troublesome, be +pleased to use that, if you are sure it came safe.</p> + +<p class="indent1">I am, dear Sir, with the sincerest regard and esteem, +&c.</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<h3>ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN JAY.</h3> + +<p class="letter_head">Philadelphia, November 28th, 1781.</p> + +<p class="letter_open">Dear Sir,</p> + +<p>I wrote so fully to you not long since, that I should not +trouble you at this time, if I had not determined to omit +no opportunity of letting you hear from this side of the +water, and enabling you at all times to meet any falsehood +the enemy may find it politic to publish.</p> + +<p>Since the capture of Cornwallis, nothing very material +has happened. The ravaging parties on the northern frontiers +have been defeated with great loss by the militia. +The armies have taken their stations for the winter quarters; +the French, in Virginia and Maryland; our troops, +on the Hudson, excepting some detachments under General +St Clair, destined to reinforce General Greene. +They have orders to take Wilmington in their way, where +the enemy have about six hundred men; it is probable +they will not wait the attack. General Greene will have +men enough to shut up the enemy, but not to force their +strong holds. Want of money cramps all our exertions, +and prevents our making a glorious winter campaign. +<span class="pagenum"><a name="Page_512" id="Page_512">512</a></span> +The enemy are all shut up on two or three points of land, +which is all they possess of the immense country they +hope to conquer; and even these they hold by a very +precarious tenure. Disaffection, which has languished for +some time past, died when Cornwallis surrendered.</p> + +<p>Congress are occupied in taking measures for an active +campaign; and they feel themselves satisfied with everything +both at home and abroad.</p> + +<p>Congress have dissolved Mr Adams's powers to make a +treaty of commerce with Great Britain; and, as you know, +joined Dr Franklin and Mr Laurens in his other commission, +if England should at length be wise enough to wish +for peace.</p> + +<p>The Marquis de Lafayette is the bearer of this. He +has promised to convey it with safety to you, and to correspond +with you in such a manner as to enable you to +avail yourself of the knowledge which he has acquired, +that may be of use to you. The resolves of Congress, of +which I enclose a copy, show their sense on this subject, +and the confidence which they very justly repose in him. +His Aid waits for this. Adieu my dear Sir.</p> + +<p class="indent1">Believe me to be, with the highest respect and esteem, &c.</p> + +<p class="signed">ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.</p> + +<div class="thought_break"></div> + +<p class="volume_end">END OF THE SEVENTH VOLUME.</p> + +<div class="section_break"></div> +<div id="trannote"> +<h2>TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE.</h2> + +<p>Omitted words, shown as blank spaces in the original, have been +transcribed as '——'.</p> + +<p>Every effort was made to match the original text. +Spelling variations between letters have been preserved. +Apparent typos +and misspellings were retained, including the following:</p> +<table summary="Transcriber's Note"> +<tr> +<td>Page</td> +<td>Original text</td> +<td> </td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td> <a href="#Page_47">47</a></td> +<td>"supprised"</td> +<td>possible misspelling</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td><a href="#Page_169">169</a></td> +<td>"he did not embark till June 1st, 1794"</td> +<td>1784?</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td ><a href="#Page_198">198</a></td> +<td>"Marquis de la Flolte"</td> +<td>possible misspelling</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td ><a href="#Page_216">216</a></td> +<td>"Jean Guy Guatier"</td> +<td>possible misspelling</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td><a href="#Page_267">267</a></td> +<td>"The following is an extrac"</td> +<td>possible misspelling</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td><a href="#Page_285">285</a></td> +<td>"May 28th, 1780"</td> +<td>date is given as May 30th in Table of Contents</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td><a href="#Page_399">399</a></td> +<td> </td> +<td>sum of Revenues does not appear correct</td> +</tr> +<tr> +<td><a href="#Page_400">400</a></td> +<td> </td> +<td>sum of Expenses does not appear correct</td> +</tr> +</table> +</div> + + + + + + + +<pre> + + + + + +End of the Project Gutenberg EBook of The Diplomatic Correspondence of the +American Revolution, by Various + +*** END OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE DIPLOMATIC *** + +***** This file should be named 37898-h.htm or 37898-h.zip ***** +This and all associated files of various formats will be found in: + http://www.gutenberg.org/3/7/8/9/37898/ + +Produced by Frank van Drogen, Melissa McDaniel and the +Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net +(This file was produced from images generously made +available by the Bibliothèque nationale de France +(BnF/Gallica) at http://gallica.bnf.fr) + + +Updated editions will replace the previous one--the old editions +will be renamed. + +Creating the works from public domain print editions means that no +one owns a United States copyright in these works, so the Foundation +(and you!) can copy and distribute it in the United States without +permission and without paying copyright royalties. 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You may copy it, give it away or +re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included +with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.org + + +Title: The Diplomatic Correspondence of the American Revolution + Volume 7. + +Author: Various + +Editor: Jared Sparks + +Release Date: November 1, 2011 [EBook #37898] + +Language: English + +Character set encoding: ASCII + +*** START OF THIS PROJECT GUTENBERG EBOOK THE DIPLOMATIC *** + + + + +Produced by Frank van Drogen, Melissa McDaniel and the +Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdp.net +(This file was produced from images generously made +available by the Bibliotheque nationale de France +(BnF/Gallica) at http://gallica.bnf.fr) + + + + + + + +THE + +DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENCE + +OF THE + +AMERICAN REVOLUTION. + +VOL. VII. + + + + +THE + +DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENCE + +OF THE + +AMERICAN REVOLUTION; + +BEING + +THE LETTERS OF BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, SILAS DEANE, JOHN ADAMS, JOHN JAY, +ARTHUR LEE, WILLIAM LEE, RALPH IZARD, FRANCIS DANA, WILLIAM +CARMICHAEL, HENRY LAURENS, JOHN LAURENS, M. DE LAFAYETTE, M. DUMAS, +AND OTHERS, CONCERNING THE FOREIGN RELATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES +DURING THE WHOLE REVOLUTION; + +TOGETHER WITH + +THE LETTERS IN REPLY FROM THE SECRET COMMITTEE OF CONGRESS, AND THE +SECRETARY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. + +ALSO, + +THE ENTIRE CORRESPONDENCE OF THE FRENCH MINISTERS, GERARD AND LUZERNE, +WITH CONGRESS. + +Published under the Direction of the President of the United States, +from the original Manuscripts in the Department of State, conformably +to a Resolution of Congress, of March 27th, 1818. + +EDITED + +BY JARED SPARKS. + + +VOL. VII. + + +BOSTON: + +NATHAN HALE AND GRAY & BOWEN; + +G. & C. & H. CARVILL, NEW YORK; P. THOMPSON, WASHINGTON. + + +1830. + + + + +Steam Power Press--W. L. Lewis' Print., + +No. 6, Congress Street, Boston. + + + + +CONTENTS + +OF THE + +SEVENTH VOLUME. + + +JOHN ADAMS'S CORRESPONDENCE, + +CONTINUED. + + Page. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, December 14th, 1782, 3 + + The King of Sweden's compliment to the United + States.--The signing of the preliminaries announced to + Parliament.--Quotes a note from the Courier de + l'Europe.--Requests leave to return. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, December + 19th, 1782, 4 + + Mr Jefferson accepts his appointment.--Financial + arrangements for raising a revenue. + + To Charles W. F. Dumas. Paris, January 1st, 1783, 6 + + M. Brantzen.--Conversation with Mr Oswald on freedom of + navigation. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, January 22d, 1783, 8 + + Preliminaries and armistice between England, and Spain, + and France, signed and sealed.--Terms England offers to + the Dutch. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, January 23d, 1783, 10 + + Grounds of Mr Adams's opinions of European politics.--Mr + Laurens's services.--The northern powers friendly to + America.--America has suffered by reposing confidence in + a certain minister. + + To C. W. F. Dumas. Paris, January 29th, 1783, 13 + + Proceedings of Congress in reference to the armed + neutrality.--America is ready to accede to its + principles. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, February 5th, 1783, 14 + + Causes of the revocation of his commission for + negotiating a treaty of commerce with Great + Britain.--Recommends the appointment of a Minister to + England for negotiating a treaty of commerce.--Mr + Adams's idea of the qualifications necessary for an + American Minister, particularly at the English + Court.--Address and fluency in speaking French of little + importance.--Mr Jay's services and qualifications. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, February + 13th, 1783, 23 + + Financial embarrassments of the country. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, March 2d, 1783, 25 + + Transmitting an application from a French house at + Leghorn to be appointed consul or commercial agent of + the United States. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Adams. Philadelphia, April 14th, + 1783, 26 + + Ambiguous expressions in the declaration of the + cessation of hostilities.--Affairs of the Dutch.--Mr + Adams's accounts. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, April 14th, 1783, 28 + + Mr Hartley succeeds Mr Oswald.--Prospect of a general + congress at Paris. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, May 21st, 1783, 30 + + The Dutch loan; perplexities and embarrassments.--Wishes + to be at home to persuade the Americans to pay taxes and + build ships. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, May 24th, 1783, 31 + + A temporary regulation of commerce with England will be + necessary.--The American ministers invited to London + with a promise that they should be treated as the + ministers of other sovereign states.--The English court + wishes to interchange ministers with America. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, May 30th, 1783, 34 + + Receives the ratification by Congress of the treaty with + Holland.--Delay in the negotiations of the definitive + treaty. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 9th, 1783, 35 + + "Letters from a Distinguished American," written by Mr + Adams. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 16th, 1783, 36 + + Ambiguities in the articles of the provisional treaty + occasioned by the critical state of affairs.--The Dutch + have been of important service in bringing about the + termination of the war.--Expresses a wish to return; is + unwilling to remain in Europe if the embassy to England + is given to any other person.--Policy to be pursued in + raising a loan in Holland.--Conduct of General + Washington during the discontent in the army. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 23d, 1783, 41 + + Obstacles in the way of agreeing upon a regulation of + commerce. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 23d, 1783, 42 + + Embarrassments of the English Ministry.--A party in + England in favor of restricting the commerce of the + Americans.--America and the West Indies are mutually + necessary to each other.--Thinks it politic to revive + the trade on the former footing, if necessary. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 24th, 1783, 45 + + Fictions of the European Gazetteers. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 27th, 1783, 46 + + Progress of the negotiations of the other + powers.--Expects to obtain nothing more favorable than + the terms of the provisional treaty.--Conduct, + character, and materials of the British Ministry. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, June 27th, 1783, 48 + + American ships arrive in England.--Dubious policy of + the Ministry.--The American Ministers would effect more + in England.--France does not desire a reconciliation + between England and the United States. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 3d, 1783, 51 + + The American Ministers make visits to the Ministers of + all the powers.--The coalition.--The commerce with the + West Indies.--Receives a visit from the Ambassador of + the Emperor of Germany.--The other Ministers return his + visit. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, July 5th, 1783, 56 + + State of affairs in Europe at the moment of signing the + peace.--Expediency of signing it without consulting the + French Minister. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 7th, 1783, 59 + + The British Ministry avoid any definitive + propositions.--The West India commerce in regard to the + different powers. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 9th, 1783, 63 + + Mediation of the Imperial Courts.--Explains the + necessity for concealing the separate article from + France; and for signing the treaty without a previous + communication of it to the French Court.--The foreign + Ministers cease to treat the American Ministers with + reserve. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 10th, 1783, 67 + + French policy in regard to the fisheries.--Letter of M. + Marbois.--M. de Rayneval's correspondence with Mr + Jay.--France wishes the exclusion of the Americans from + the West Indies. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, July 10th, 1783, 70 + + Means of raising a loan in Holland. + + To Robert Morris. Paris, July 11th, 1783, 72 + + Necessity of sustaining the credit of the United States + by providing for the prompt settlement of all claims. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 11th, 1783, 74 + + Obligations of America to France.--Reasons for + maintaining a close connexion with France. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 12th, 1783, 75 + + Algiers.--Negotiations with Portugal. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 13th, 1783, 77 + + Reasons for forming a treaty of commerce with the + Emperor of Germany. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 14th, 1783, 81 + + Jealousy of American ships and trade in France and + England.--Proclamation of the English court permitting + intercourse between America and the West Indies in + British vessels.--Fish, potash and pearlash not + admitted.--This measure is the result of French + policy--Remedies to be applied by America. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 14th, 1783, 85 + + Exclusive policy of the European powers in regard to + commerce.--Views of Austria and Russia towards the Black + Sea, the Danube, the Archipelago and Turkey. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 15th, 1783, 88 + + Mr Hartley offers no definitive + propositions.--"Observations on the American States." + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 16th, 1783, 89 + + Visit to the Count de Vergennes.--Conversation relative + to the West India commerce.--Means of retaliating the + British restrictions on the commerce with their + islands.--The Americans ought to send ships to + China.--Doubtful complexion of British politics. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 17th, 1783, 94 + + Conversation with Mr Hartley on the English trade and + policy in the East.--Importance of forming commercial + connexions with the Dutch.--Conversation with the Duc de + la Vauguyon relative to the French and English policy in + Eastern Europe; on the colonial commerce.--The British + restrictive policy will produce wars. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, July 18th, 1783, 99 + + The United States must counteract French and British + policy by forming connexions with other + nations.--Necessity of a common authority in America for + managing foreign affairs, regulating commerce, raising a + revenue, &c.--The friendship of the Dutch must be + secured. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 23d, 1783, 103 + + Sugar trade, and sugar refineries may be carried on by + Americans as well as by the Dutch.--Conversation with M. + Visscher and M. Van Berckel on the trade with the Dutch + Colonies.--M. Van Berckel's remarks on a loan in + Holland.--Conversation with the Prince of Orange on the + ranks of foreign Ministers. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 25th, 1783, 109 + + Intrigues of the English to restore their former + connexions with Holland.--The Dutch complain of having + been deceived by the French Ministers.--No progress in + the negotiations between England and Holland. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783, 112 + + Sugar trade.--American loan in Holland.--Loans of the + other powers there. + + To Robert Morris. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783, 115 + + The loan in Holland.--Suggests the expediency of sending + out ships loaded by the States with their respective + staples.--Probability of obtaining a loan in England. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 30th, 1783, 117 + + Trade with the Dutch Colonies.--Account of the limits, + &c. of the Dutch West India Company received from the + secretary.--General commerce with the European West + India Colonies. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, July 31st, 1783, 122 + + Conversation with the Sardinian Minister, who advises + the sending of a circular by Congress to the European + powers, giving an account of the Declaration of + Independence, of the acknowledgment by other powers, + &c.; recommends commercial connexions with Italy; + remarks on the Austrian policy towards Turkey.--Efforts + to detach Holland from her connexion with France. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 1st, 1783, 127 + + Conversation with the Portuguese Minister on commercial + matters.--Dr Franklin's treaty with Portugal. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 2d, 1783, 131 + + Conversation with M. Berenger on the European politics + of the day. + + To Robert R. Livingston. The Hague, August 3d, 1783, 133 + + Necessity of securing reciprocity in the commercial + treaties.--Dissatisfaction in Holland with France. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 10th, 1783, 136 + + Interview with the Spanish and Portuguese Ministers on + commercial subjects.--Extraordinary increase of the + commerce of the neutrals.--No progress in the + negotiation.--Causes of the delay. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783, 140 + + Exchange ratifications of the provisional treaty with Mr + Hartley.--The project of a definitive treaty produced by + Mr Hartley in the words of the provisional treaty.--Mr + Hartley objects to the mediation of the Imperial Courts. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783, 143 + + Probable policy of France in regard to + Turkey.--Situation of the Count de Vergennes considered + precarious. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 13th, 1783, 145 + + Expresses his discontent with Dr Franklin's negotiating + treaties with several powers without communicating with + other Ministers.--Remarks on the treaty with Denmark. + + To Robert R. Livingston. Paris, August 15th, 1783, 149 + + The belligerent powers except Holland are + agreed.--Remarks of M. Brantzen on the conduct, policy, + and situation of the Count de Vergennes.--The Queen and + some of the council are opposed to him. + + To the President of Congress. Paris, September 5th, 1783, 152 + + The definitive treaty signed, sealed, and delivered.--A + new commission necessary for negotiating a treaty of + commerce.--The Count de Vergennes was not desirous of + admitting the mediation of the Imperial Courts.--Mr + Adams regrets not having admitted the mediation.--Policy + of forming commercial connexions with the European + powers. + + To Elias Boudinot, President of Congress. Paris, September + 8th, 1783, 156 + + Accepts the joint commission for negotiating a treaty of + commerce with England.--Advises that it be extended to + the other powers. + + To the President of Congress. Paris, September 8th, 1783, 158 + + Management of the European Journals.--Courier de + l'Europe. + + To the President of Congress. Paris, September 10th, 1783, 160 + + Advises the opening of negotiations with all the Courts + of Europe, and with the Barbary powers. + + +JOHN JAY'S CORRESPONDENCE. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 20th, 1779, 171 + + Action at sea between the French and English. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 22d, 1779, 172 + + Repairs of the ship. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 24th, 1779, 174 + + An account of the condition of the ship, and the causes + of his favoring the steering for Martinique. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 25th, 1779, 190 + + Recommends Mrs Smith to the attention of Congress. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 25th, 1779, 191 + + Draws on the fund for the payment of his salary for a + hundred guineas, to be distributed among the officers of + the Confederacy. + + To the President of Congress. St Pierre's, Martinique, + December 26th, 1779, 192 + + M. Gerard proposes to send home the Confederacy to + refit.--She is permitted to refit in Martinique, and a + French frigate is ordered to carry Mr Jay and M. Gerard + to France.--Mr Bingham's services. + + To Arthur Lee. Cadiz, January 26th, 1780, 194 + + Requests of Mr Lee information. + + To the Count de Vergennes. Cadiz, January 27th, 1780, 195 + + Recapitulation of former proceedings relative to + Spain.--Requests the interposition of the King in favor + of America. + + To Don Joseph Galvez, Minister of the Spanish Court. January + 27th, 1780, 199 + + Stipulation in the treaty between France and the United + States providing for the accession of Spain.--Mr Jay + appointed to carry it into effect. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, January 27th, 1780, 202 + + Reasons for his landing in Cadiz. + + Instructions to William Carmichael. Cadiz, January 27th, + 1780, 203 + + Directions as to his conduct towards M. Galvez, the + Spanish Minister, and the French Ambassador, for + procuring information. + + William Carmichael to John Jay. Madrid, February 15th, 1780, 207 + + Cordial reception by the French Ambassador.--Should have + been addressed to the Count de Florida Blanca.--Prospect + of reception by the Spanish Ministry.--M. Miralles has + been instructed to assist in the conquest of + Florida.--There is no coldness between the French and + Spanish Courts. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, February 20th, 1780, 209 + + Mr Bingham advanced the hundred guineas distributed + among the officers of the Confederacy. + + Count de Florida Blanca to John Jay. Pardo, February 24th, + 1780, 210 + + Expresses his Majesty's satisfaction with Mr Jay's + arrival, and declares there is no obstacle to his coming + to Court in an informal character. + + To William Carmichael. Cadiz, February 25th, 1780, 211 + + Was informed by M. Gerard that M. Galvez was the + Minister with whom all business with the United States + was to be transacted.--Wished to have discovered the + sentiments of Spain towards America, independently of + French influence.--Requests further information as to + the instructions to M. Miralles. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, February 29th, 1780, 215 + + Transmitting papers.--Generally believed that the + American islands will be the theatre of the next + campaign. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, March 3d, 1780, 216 + + M. Guatier of Barcelona desires to be American consul + there.--Necessity for consuls in Spain. + + To the President of Congress. Cadiz, March 3d, 1780, 217 + + Reason for not making personal application to the + Ministry at first.--Policy of France.--M. Gerard's + opinion.--Spain is already at war with England. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, April 6th, 1780, 219 + + Congratulations on his arrival. + + Answer to De Neufville & Son. Madrid, April 27th, 1780, 219 + + Their letters to Congress were received before his + departure.--The success of America important to Holland. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 26th, 1780, 220 + + Arrival at Cadiz.--Draws on Dr Franklin.--Extract of a + letter from Dr Franklin (April 7th, 1780), contradicting + the report that the Loan Office bills payable in France + were not honored.--Certificate of Mr Grand to the same + effect.--Correspondence with Mr Lee.--Letter of the + Count de Vergennes in reply to that of Mr Jay announcing + his arrival.--Reply of Mr Jay (Aranjues, May 9th, 1780), + to the Count de Vergennes assuring him of his confidence + in M. de Montmorin.--M. Gerard informs him that he + should address himself to M. Galvez.--Writes to that + Minister.--Answered by the Count de Florida + Blanca.--Letter of Mr Jay (Cadiz, March 6th, 1780), to + the Count, expressing the confidence of the United + States in the King's favorable disposition, and + declaring his intention of setting out for + Madrid.--Arrives at Madrid.--Questions from the Count de + Florida Blanca (dated March 9th, 1780), requesting + information on the civil and military state of the + American Provinces.--Reply of Mr Jay (Madrid, April + 25th, 1780), to the preceding questions, comprising his + commission and that of Mr Carmichael, with details in + reply to the questions; the democratic nature of the + American governments renders a knowledge of their + affairs easily attainable. 1. THE CIVIL STATE; + population of each State; government of each State and + the Articles of the Confederation; disposition of the + people, who were at first only desirous of a redress of + grievances; but now determined on independence, with the + grounds of this opinion; there is no British party in + America; revenues; public debts; resources; possibility + of supporting their credit in the operations of + Government, in commerce, in the protection of the + national industry; advantages to result to Spain from + the independence of American States, in the reduction of + the British power, and in the commerce with America; + ability of the United States to furnish naval stores. + 2. THE MILITARY STATE; number of the troops; the + commander in chief; means of recruiting by the militia; + deficiency of arms, of clothing; means of subsistence; + naval forces; the people will not submit; their + disposition towards the Kings of France and of Spain; + financial embarrassments; sending supplies to America + would be the surest means of humiliating Great + Britain.--Receives the resolutions of Congress drawing + on Mr Laurens and himself for L100,000 sterling + each.--Letter of Mr Jay (Aranjues, April 29th, 1780), to + the Count de Florida Blanca in consequence of the + foregoing resolution, giving an account of the financial + operations of Congress, and requesting aid from his + Majesty.--Conference with the Count on the subject of + the preceding letter; the Count states that Spain has + been subject to heavy expenses during the preceding + year, but that his Majesty intends to give America all + assistance in his power, and has directed him to confer + with his colleagues in the Ministry on this point; + wishes Mr Jay to contract to furnish Spain with frigates + and light vessels; promises to engage in the King's name + to pay the bills of exchange if presented; the + pretensions of America to the navigation of the + Mississippi an obstacle to a treaty.--Letter of Mr Jay + (Aranjues, May 12th, 1780), to the Count de Florida + Blanca stating his confidential connexion with the + French Ambassador, and wishing to know if he may + communicate to him the subject of the conference.--Reply + of the Count de Florida Blanca (Aranjues, May 14th, + 1780).--Mr Jay's note to the French Ambassador informing + him of Sir J. Dalrymple's arrival at Madrid.--Note of M. + de Montmorin in reply, declaring his entire confidence + in the Spanish Ministry.--Extract of a letter from Mr + Jay (April 26th 1780), to Mr Adams informing him of Sir + J. Dalrymple's arrival at Aranjues.--Sir J. Dalrymple + requests permission to go through Spain, and a passport + through France.--Sir J. Dalrymple presents to the Count + de Florida Blanca Lord Rochford's project to prevent the + war by a confederation between France, Spain, Portugal + and England; the confederates to guaranty mutually their + Colonial possessions; to participate in the commerce of + the English Colonies under certain limitations, to be + settled by five persons, one from each country; to + settle the contested privileges of the Americans on just + principles; disadvantages resulting to Spain from the + independence of the English American Colonies, first by + promoting a contraband trade between the American States + and the Spanish Colonies, and secondly by exposing the + Spanish Colonies to the attacks of the Americans, who + will soon form establishments in the South Seas; all + Europe is interested in preventing the independence of + America.--The Gardoquis; Mr Jay is destitute of + resources; difficulty of conveying intelligence; + expenses of a Minister at the Spanish Court; coldly + treated by the Ministers of the Northern powers; + ignorance of American affairs in Spain; the secrets of + Congress well known to the Spanish and French Courts. + + To the Committee of Foreign Affairs. Madrid, May 27th, 1780, 282 + + Mr Laurens is not arrived. + + To James Lovell. Madrid, May 27th, 1780, 283 + + Want of intelligence from America. + + William Carmichael to John Jay. Aranjues, May 27th, 1780, 283 + + Destination of the Spanish fleet. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 28th, 1780, 284 + + Enclosing the preceding, the information in which he + considers authentic. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 30th, 1780, 285 + + Receives the resolution of Congress, desiring the + Ex-Presidents of Congress to lodge their public + correspondence in the Secretary's office.--Mr Jay did + this at the time of his retirement from the office. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, May 30th, 1780, 285 + + Bills drawn upon him are arrived. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Without date, 286 + + Bills drawn on Mr Laurens, who is not arrived.--Have + promised the holders to accept them. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, June 1st, 1780, 287 + + Are willing to accept the bills drawn on Mr Laurens, + provided they are permitted to draw on Dr Franklin at + seven or eight months. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, June 8th, 1780, 288 + + Have accepted the bills on Mr Laurens, and request that + some method of reimbursing them may be adopted. + + Committee of Foreign Affairs to John Jay. Philadelphia, June + 16th, 1780, 288 + + Reasons for drawing on him.--Have drawn for an + additional sum. + + To De Neufville & Son, at Amsterdam. Madrid, June 18th, 1780, 290 + + Thanking them for their offer to accept the bills drawn + on Mr Laurens. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, June 25th, 1780, 291 + + Is uncertain whether he shall be able to reimburse them + for their advances. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, July 10th, 1780, 292 + + Remittances from America are necessary. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, July 13th, 1780, 293 + + Cannot accept any more bills.--Would undertake a loan if + authorised. + + De Neufville & Son to John Jay. Amsterdam, July 28th, 1780, 295 + + Dr Franklin has offered to accept further bills drawn on + Mr Laurens; they will therefore continue to accept those + presented. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, July 29th, 1780, 296 + + Has not power to authorise them to raise a loan.--The + capture of Charleston will have no effect on the + determination of the Americans. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, August 16th, 1780, 298 + + Expresses his sense of their friendly conduct towards + America. + + To Silas Deane. St Ildefonso, September 8th, 1780, 299 + + Desires to correspond with him. + + To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, September 16th, + 1780, 299 + + It is necessary to cease drawing bills on him.--The King + of Spain has offered his responsibility to facilitate a + loan. + + Instructions to John Jay. In Congress, October 4th. 1780, 300 + + Directing him to insist on the navigation of the + Mississippi.--The boundary.--Florida. + + To De Neufville & Son. Madrid, October 4th, 1780, 302 + + Connexion between Holland and the United States.--Shall + recommend their house to Congress.--Spanish ordinance + establishing a paper currency.--Effect of this measure + on the bills drawn on him; wishes to know if money could + be raised in Holland for Congress on the joint credit of + Spain and the United States. + + To James Lovell. Madrid, October 27th, 1780, 304 + + Difficulties of finding a safe conveyance for his + letters.--Receives little information from the + committee.--M. Dohrmer. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, November 6th, 1780, 306 + + The Abbe Hussey arrives at Madrid with Mr + Cumberland.--Notes of Mr Jay's conference with the Count + de Florida Blanca.--Conference of Mr Carmichael with the + Minister.--Note from the Count de Florida Blanca + (Aranjues, June 9, 1780); to Mr Jay on the subject of + aids; his Majesty is willing to become responsible at the + expiration of two years to the holders of the bills drawn + on Mr Jay, provided Congress will build four frigates and + some light vessels for the King; the Americans may send + for stores to the Spanish ports for this purpose; the + squadron manned by Americans and under Spanish colors to + intercept the English East India vessels.--Reply of Mr + Jay (Aranjues, June 9th, 1780); expectations of the + Americans from Spain; the holders of the bills will + prefer recovering the amount on protest, to waiting for + the payment two years; the Spanish treasure from America + may arrive before the bills become payable; Mr Jay is + authorised to pledge the faith of the United States for + the repayment of any sums his Majesty may lend; former + aids; Congress has not the resources necessary for + building ships; difficulty of manning them with American + sailors, who prefer sailing in privateers; the country is + not in a condition to undertake foreign enterprises; the + Americans will always be ready to cooperate with Spain + against the Floridas or elsewhere; unfavorable + conclusions will be drawn as to the condition of Spain, + if she cannot supply such aid to men in arms against her + enemy.--Mr Jay's reasons for not touching on other points + of the proposition.--Note from Mr Jay to the Count, + informing him of a new draft.--Reply of the Count, + promising to pay the bill, and declaring that no more can + be paid without consulting the King; the proposition of + the Count having been rejected, it becomes necessary for + Mr Jay to devise other means.--Reply of Mr Jay to the + preceding (Madrid, June 22d, 1780), proposing as a means + of paying the bills the advance of the L25,000 to L40,000 + sterling promised; the sum necessary for building the + ships cannot be raised by Congress; America cannot pay + the debts occasioned by the war till peace; advantages + resulting to Spain by the furnishing of aid to + America.--Reasons for not pushing the treaty at this + time.--Letter from Mr Jay to the Count de Florida Blanca + (Madrid, June 28th, 1780), transmitting the resolutions + of Congress, directing that bills be issued redeemable in + specie in six years; this plan may enable the United + States to supply the vessels, his Majesty becoming + responsible for a certain part of the sum so + issued.--Note from Mr Jay to the Count de Florida Blanca, + stating that he has been called on to accept new + bills.--Reply of the Count de Florida Blanca, declaring + nothing can be done in regard to the new drafts without + consulting the King and the other Ministers; requests + further explanations of Mr Jay's plan for furnishing the + ships and engaging the responsibility of the King.--Note + from the Count de Florida Blanca to Mr Jay, requesting to + know when the bills lately arrived will become due.--News + of the capture of Charleston.--Mr Jay's notes of a + conference with the Count de Florida Blanca, July 5th; + capture of Charleston; death of M. Miralles; the Count + advises Mr Jay to be cautious of Messrs Joyce, who hold + the bills; regrets the precipitancy of Congress in + drawing; specie might have been remitted from the Spanish + Colonies directly to the United States; remarks on the + deranged state of the finances of the United States; the + difficulty of raising money in Europe; wishes to wait the + arrival of a certain person; Mr Jay observes, that + Congress have adopted measures for restoring the + finances; suggests that Spain might furnish aid by bills + on Havana; states in reply to a question of the Count, + that ship timber may be furnished from America; urges the + importance of accepting the bills; reminds the Minister + of the promise of clothing; evasive and uncertain nature + of this conference.--Note from Mr Jay to the Count de + Florida Blanca (Madrid, July 11th, 1780), informing him + that new bills have been presented; the Messrs Joyce + consent to have their bills payable at Bilboa.--Answer of + the Count to the preceding, desiring a delay till the + arrival of a certain person.--Mr Jay requests that Mr + Harrison be allowed to remain at Cadiz.--Note from the + Count de Florida Blanca (July 29th), granting Mr Harrison + permission to remain at Cadiz; still waits the arrival of + the person above mentioned.--Note from Mr Jay to the + Count de Florida Blanca (August 11th), announcing the + presentation of more bills.--Reply of the Count de + Florida Blanca, regretting that he must still wait the + arrival of a certain person.--Letter of Mr Jay (Madrid, + August 16th, 1780), to the Count de Florida Blanca, + stating that the holders of the bills grow + impatient.--Letter of Mr Jay to the Count de Florida + Blanca (Madrid, August 18th, 1780), informing him that + bills have been received by the Gardoquis, which will be + immediately presented.--Letter from Mr Jay to the Count + de Florida Blanca (St Ildefonso, August 25th, 1780), + urging the necessity of providing for the acceptance of + the bills.--Mr Jay's notes of a conference with the + French Ambassador, August 27th; Mr Jay gives an account + of his proceedings since his arrival, and requests the + Ambassador to obtain an answer for him from the Spanish + Minister; Mr Jay was encouraged to expect that he should + be supplied with money to meet the bills; the Ambassador + thinks that the Spanish Minister will pay the bills, and + promises to speak to him on the subject.--Subsequent + coolness of the French Ambassador.--Second visit to him; + he advises Mr Jay to write again to the Count de Florida + Blanca, praying an audience; Mr Jay declines making any + supplications, or purchasing by concessions the + acknowledgment of independence; declares his + determination to write on the subject of the treaty, and + if treated with the same neglect to return; conduct of + France.--Mr Jay consents to send Mr Carmichael to the + Minister.--Note from the Count de Florida Blanca + introducing M. Gardoqui.--Conversation with M. Gardoqui + on the subject of the bills; second conversation with M. + Gardoqui, who proposes the surrender of the navigation of + the Mississippi.--Objections to this + measure.--Conversation with M. Del Campo on the same + subjects.--Conversation with the Secretary of the French + Ambassador.--M. Gardoqui informs him from the Count de + Florida Blanca that no more bills can be paid by + Spain.--Letter of Mr Jay (St Ildefonso, September 14th, + 1780), to the Count de Florida Blanca, requesting to know + if any aid is to be expected from Spain.--Answer to the + preceding, dictated by M. Del Campo, in the name of the + Count de Florida Blanca, to M. Gardoqui, declaring the + readiness of his Majesty to assist the States.--Letter + from Mr Jay to Count de Vergennes (St Ildefonso, + September 22d, 1780), giving an account of his + proceedings in Spain; requesting the aid of France in + meeting the bills.--Letter of Mr Jay to Dr Franklin (same + date), on the same subject.--Notes of a conference + between Mr Jay and the Count de Florida Blanca (September + 23d); satisfaction of the King with the measures of + Congress for supplying the Spanish forces in the West + Indies; plan of the English Court to attempt an + accommodation with America; Mr Jay enters upon the points + mentioned in the paper dictated to M. Gardoqui; on the + manner of making known the King's responsibility; on the + King's being disgusted with the drawing of bills without + his consent, and without terms of recompense; the bills + were drawn on Mr Jay, and the faith of the United States + was pledged for the payment of any sum advanced; Mr Jay + wishes the evidence of an understanding between America + and England; Congress had given proofs of friendship by + sending a Minister to negotiate treaties of amity and + alliance; the delaying of the negotiations owing to the + Minister not sending the promised notes on the subject; + terms of such a treaty; Spain ought not to expect the + expenses of the war will be refunded; America will be + ready to render every assistance possible.--Mr Jay + returns to Madrid and accepts the bills.--Equivocal + nature of the Spanish policy.--Extract of a letter from + the Count de Vergennes to the French Ambassador, stating + that it will be difficult to make advances to Mr + Jay.--Letter from Messrs Couteulx and Co. to Mr Jay + (Cadiz, October 3d, 1780), complaining of the expenses + and difficulty of supplying and sending home American + seamen.--Mr Jay to Messrs Couteulx and Co. (Madrid, + October 15th, 1780), directing them to settle accounts + with Mr Harrison.--Difficulties in the conveyance of + correspondence.--A copy of the correspondence of the + Commissioners in France in the hands of a certain + foreigner. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, November 30th, 1780, 389 + + Enclosing copies of papers from Morocco.--Delays of the + Spanish Court.--Remarks on the enclosed account of the + revenues and expenditures of Spain for 1778. + + From D'Audibert Caille to John Jay. Aranjues, April 21st, + 1780, 392 + + Is authorised to declare the pacific intentions of the + Emperor of Morocco towards the United States. + + To D'Audibert Caille, 393 + + Expresses his satisfaction with the disposition of the + Emperor of Morocco. + + Copy of M. D'Audibert Caille's Appointment, 394 + + Copy of M. D'Audibert Caille's appointment to officiate + as consul of all nations who have no consul in Morocco. + + Copy of the Declaration by the Emperor of Morocco, February + 20th 1778, 396 + + Certificate of Pedro Umbert, that the above is + conformable to the truth. + + Certificate of M. D'Audibert Caille. December 1st, 1779, 397 + + Certificate of M. D'Audibert Caille that Don Pedro + Umbert is employed for foreign affairs at the Court of + Morocco. + + D'Audibert Caille to Congress. Sale, September 6th, 1779, 397 + + The Emperor of Morocco intends to be at peace with the + United States. + + General State of the Revenues of Spain in the Year 1778, 399 + + To the Committee of Foreign Affairs. Madrid, November 30th, + 1780, 401 + + Necessity of providing means for the safe conveyance of + the public correspondence.--His letters are opened and + many kept back both in Spain and the United States. + + Instructions to John Jay. In Congress, February 15th, 1781, 403 + + Instructing him to recede from the demand of a free + navigation of the Mississippi below 31 deg.. + + James Lovell to John Jay. February 20th, 1781, 404 + + Has received no letters from him of late. + + James Lovell to John Jay. March 9th, 1781, 405 + + Ratification of the articles of the Confederacy. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, March 22d, 1781, 405 + + Supplies from Spain.--Russian mediation.--M. Necker's + report. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, April 25th, 1781, 406 + + Spain insists on the exclusive navigation of the + Mississippi.--Letter from Mr Jay to De Neufville and Son + (Madrid, January 8th, 1781), renouncing the idea of a + loan in Holland separate from that negotiated by Mr + Adams.--Mr Jay's proceedings in regard to the payment of + the bills.--Advises that the unfinished ships be sold to + Spain.--Disposition of Portugal.--Dr Franklin.--Mr + Cumberland's mission.--Disposition of Spain. + + The President of Congress to John Jay. In Congress, May 28th, + 1781, 415 + + Expressing the satisfaction of Congress with his + conduct.--Instructs him to disavow any understanding + between the United States and Great Britain; to avoid + referring to the treaty with France in his negotiations + with Spain; to declare that facilities will be granted + for the exportation of naval stores for the Spanish + marine; to continue to provide as far as possible for + American seamen in Spain; to open a correspondence with + M. D'Audibert Caille. + + To the President of Congress. Aranjues, May 29th, 1781, 419 + + Conversation with the Count de Florida Blanca on the + admission of letters. + + James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, June 4th, 1781, 420 + + The affair of the Dover cutter. + + James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, June 15th, 1781, 421 + + Case of Dumain and Lyon. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 4th, 1781, 421 + + Mr Morris is appointed Superintendent of + Finance.--Objects to be accomplished by this + office.--Expectations of aid from Spain.--State of the + finances.--Disposition of the nation.--State of the + army.--Advantages that will result to Spain by aiding + America.--The United States cannot be dangerous to + Spain.--Amount desired. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 7th, 1781, 435 + + Necessity of immediate aids. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Office of Finance, July 9th, 1781, 436 + + Proposes a plan for sending home American seaman. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Philadelphia, July 13th, 1781, 438 + + Reasons which induced him to adopt the enclosed plan of + a national bank.--Wants aid from Spain.--Suggests that + an attempt should be made to obtain money from Portugal. + + Robert Morris to John Jay. Office of Finance, August 15th, + 1781, 449 + + Directing to protest certain bills, assigning as a + reason his instructions. + + James Lovell to John Jay. Philadelphia, August 15th, 1781, 450 + + Surrender of Pensacola. + + To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, September 20th, + 1781, 451 + + Regrets that instructions should have been given the + American Ministers to concur in any terms to which + France should accede. + + To the President of Congress. St Ildefonso, October 3d, 1781, 454 + + Conversation with the Count de Florida Blanca, who + complains that Congress has not shown any disposition to + oblige the King; remarks relative to M. Gardoqui.--Mr + Jay regrets that the instructions concerning the + Mississippi had not been kept secret; use that might + have been made of the claim.--Has another interview with + the Minister; stoppage of the letters from America; the + affair of the Dover cutter; cession of the claims of the + United States to the navigation of the Mississippi; the + Count remarks that these affairs can be settled at a + general peace.--Letter from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 2d, + 1781), to the Count de Florida Blanca, declaring that he + has been instructed to cede the exclusive navigation of + the Mississippi.--Letter from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 2d, + 1781), to the Count de Montmorin, communicating the + above.--Receiving no answer from the Minister, Mr Jay + calls upon him, and is informed that he cannot attend to + the matter.--Letters from Mr Jay (Madrid, July 13th, + 1781), to the Count de Florida Blanca communicating his + instructions.--Note from the Count de Florida Blanca (St + Ildefonso, July 1st, 1781), to Mr Jay proposing to + attend to American affairs.--Mr Jay visits the Minister + with Major Franks; general conversation.--Renewed + delays.--Letter from Mr Jay (St. Ildefonso, September + 16th, 1781), to the Count de Montmorin, enclosing the + draft of a letter to the Count de Florida Blanca, and + requesting the advice of the Ambassador.--Note from the + Count de Florida Blanca to Mr Jay requesting him to call + upon him.--Notes of the conference between Mr Jay and + the Count de Florida Blanca (September 19th, 1781); the + Count requests Mr Jay to draw up an outline of the + proposed treaties; aids; commercial connexion; treaty of + alliance; the Count observes that Congress has done + nothing to gratify the King; a person will be appointed + to confer further with Mr Jay.--Letter from Mr Jay (St + Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781), to the Count de Florida + Blanca requesting that some decisive measure be taken in + regard to American affairs.--Propositions toward a plan + of a treaty, with remarks; the subject of aids will + require a separate convention; also the regulation of + the mutual conduct of the parties during the war.--Mr + Jay's reason for limiting the duration of the offer + contained in the sixth proposition, relating to the + navigation of the Mississippi; arts of Spain.--Note from + the Count de Florida Blanca to Mr Jay, expressing a hope + that some progress will soon be made in the + consideration of the propositions.--Embarrassments in + providing for the payment of the bills.--Mr Harrison's + services.--Proposes the sending of an agent to Portugal. + + To the President of Congress. Madrid, October 18th, 1781, 506 + + Has protested some of the bills. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Jay. Philadelphia, November 1st, + 1781, 507 + + Organization of the new executive departments.--The debt + of the United States not so large as might have been + expected.--British American recruits.--Proposes that + Spain should furnish a convoy between Havana and the + United States.--Plan for paying the French troops in + specie from Havana. + + Robert R. Livingston to John Jay. Philadelphia, November + 28th, 1781, 511 + + State of military affairs.--The Marquis de la Fayette. + + + + +THE + +CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN ADAMS, + +ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO FRANCE, MINISTER PLENIPOTENTIARY TO +HOLLAND, AND ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR NEGOTIATING THE TREATY OF +PEACE. + + + + +THE + +CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN ADAMS. + +CORRESPONDENCE CONTINUED. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, December 14th, 1782. + + Sir, + +There is more matter than time to write at present. The King of Sweden +has done the United States great honor in his commission to his +Minister here, to treat with them, by inserting, that he had a great +desire to form a connexion with States, which had so fully established +their independence, and by their wise and gallant conduct so well +deserved it; and his Minister desired it might be remembered, that his +sovereign was the first who had voluntarily proposed a treaty with +us.[1] + +Mr Secretary Townshend announced, on the 3d of December, in a letter +to the Lord Mayor, the signature of our preliminaries. On the 5th, his +Majesty announced it in his speech to both Houses. Addresses of +thanks, in both Houses, passed without a division. + +There is a note in the _Courier de l'Europe_, of the 6th instant, +worth transcribing, viz. "We mark these three lines in italics, to +notice at present the assertion, which we shall consider more fully +hereafter, that we do not owe to any of the causes assigned at +present, even in the two Houses of Parliament, the peace, the +blessings of which we consider as certain, but to the armed +neutrality. This peace will be durable." + +I have transcribed this note, because it falls in with an opinion, +that I have long entertained. The armed neutrality, and even Mr Dana's +mission to it, have had greater effects, than the world is yet +informed of, and would have had much greater, if his hands had not +been tied. + +On the 4th instant, I wrote a resignation of all my employments in +Europe, which I have now the honor to confirm, and to request, that +the acceptance of it may be transmitted to me several ways, by the +first ships. + + I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[1] See Dr Franklin's letter on this subject, dated June the 25th, +1782. _Franklin's Correspondence_, Vol. III. p. 371. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS. + + Philadelphia, December 19th, 1782. + + Sir, + +The enclosed letter for Mr Dana you will open and peruse. It may +possibly contain information, that may be useful to you, which it will +be unnecessary to repeat here. + +I mentioned in my last, Mr Jefferson's appointment; I have the +pleasure of adding now, that I have received an account from him of +his acceptance of the place. He will be here in the course of ten or +twelve days, and sail with Count de Rochambeau, who proposes to return +to France. The French troops have embarked with the Marquis de +Vaudreuil, and are to sail for the West Indies, unless they should +receive counter orders, by a frigate, which is now in the river. Her +letters are not yet come up, as she unfortunately ran ashore at Dover; +it is yet uncertain whether she will be saved. + +The great political question, which at present engages the attention +of Congress, is the means of providing for the payment of the public +debts, or at least establishing such funds for the regular discharge +of the interest, as may set their creditors at ease as to their +capitals. It was imagined, that a duty of five per cent upon all +imposts would afford a fund adequate to this. Congress accordingly +recommended it to the several States to impose the duty. They have all +complied, except Rhode Island. Her refusal renders the other laws +nugatory, as they contain clauses suspending their operation until the +measure is generally adopted. Congress are about to send down a +committee to endeavor to persuade Rhode Island to comply with a +measure, that they deem so essential to public credit. It is extremely +difficult in a country, so little used to taxes as ours is, to lay +them directly, and almost impossible to impose them so equally as not +to render them too oppressive on some members of the community, while +others contribute little or nothing. This difficulty is increased by +the continued change of property in this country, and by the small +proportion the income bears to the value of lands. + +By a short letter just received from Mr Jay, it appears, that England +has at length swallowed the bitter pill, and agreed to treat with the +"Thirteen United States of America." I am still at a loss to account +for this commission's being directed to Mr Oswald, while Mr +Fitzherbert's continues in force; or is that revoked?[2] I will not +trouble myself with guesses, as I must receive despatches today, that +will explain the mystery, if either Dr Franklin or Mr Jay have kept +their words with me. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[2] The two commissions were for distinct purposes; Mr Oswald's to +treat with the American Commissioners alone; and Mr Fitzherbert's to +treat for a general peace with the European powers, then at war with +England. + + * * * * * + + TO CHARLES W.F. DUMAS. + + Paris, January 1st, 1783. + + Dear Sir, + +Returning this evening from Versailles, where I had been to make the +compliments of the season, I found your favors of the 26th and 27th of +December. The letters enclosed shall be forwarded, as you desire. + +The Dutch Ministers here have no occasion for my assistance. _Non tali +auxilio._ I have the honor to be more particularly acquainted with M. +Brantzen, who is certainly a very able man, and universally +acknowledged to be so by all who know him. The arguments, which I know +he has used with the British Minister, are such as can never be +answered, both upon the liberty of navigation, and the compensation +for damages. He is an entire master of his subject, and has urged it +with a degree of perspicuity and eloquence, that I know has much +struck his antagonists. + +Unnecessary, however, as any exertions of mine have been, I have not +omitted any opportunity of throwing in any friendly suggestions in my +power, where there was a possibility of doing any good to our good +friends, the Dutch. I have made such suggestions to Mr Fitzherbert. +But with Mr Oswald, I have had several very serious conversations upon +the subject. So I have also with Mr Vaughan and Mr Whiteford. + +To Mr Oswald I urged the necessity of Great Britain's agreeing with +the Dutch upon the unlimited freedom of navigation, from a variety of +topics, some of which I may explain to you more particularly +hereafter. Thus much I may say at present, that I told him, that it +was impossible for Great Britain to avoid it; it would probably be +insisted upon by all the other powers. France and Spain, as well as +Russia, Sweden, Denmark, Prussia, the Emperor, and Portugal, as well +as Holland, had already signed the armed neutrality. The United States +of America had declared themselves ready to sign, and were ready. The +combination being thus powerful, Great Britain could not resist it. +But if she should refuse to agree to it with Holland, and the other +powers should acquiesce, and Holland should make peace without it +(which would never, however, be the case,) yet all would be +ineffectual, for Holland would forever be able to make use of other +neutral bottoms, and would thus enjoy the benefit of this liberty and +reality, though denied it by treaty, and in appearance. It would, +therefore, be more for the honor and interest of Great Britain to +agree to it with a good grace, in the treaty with Holland. Nay, the +wisest part she could act would be to set on foot a negotiation +immediately for signing herself the Treaty of Armed Neutrality, and +then admitting it into the treaty with Holland would be a thing of +course. At one of these conversations Dr Franklin was present, who +supported me with all his weight; at another, Mr Jay seconded me with +all his abilities and ingenuity. Mr Oswald has several times assured +me, that he had written these arguments and his own opinion, in +conformity with them, to the King's Ministers in London, and I doubt +not they will be adopted. + +With respect to the compensation for damages, it is impossible to add +anything to the arrangements M. Brantzen has urged to show the justice +of it, and if Britain is really wise, she will think it her policy to +do everything in her power to soften the resentment of the Dutch, and +regain their good will and good humor. + +The rage of Great Britain, however, has carried her to such +extravagant lengths, in a cause unjust from beginning to end, that she +is scarcely able to repair the injuries she has done. America has a +just claim to compensation for all her burnt towns and plundered +property, and indeed for all her slaughtered sons, if that were +possible. I shall continue to embrace every opportunity that presents, +of doing all the little service in my power to our good friends the +Dutch, whose friendship for us I shall not soon forget. This must be +communicated with great discretion, if at all. + +My best respects to all. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, January 22d, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon a sudden notification from the Count de Vergennes, Dr Franklin +and myself, in the absence of Mr Jay and Mr Laurens, went to +Versailles, and arrived at the Count's office at ten o'clock on +Monday, the 20th of this month. At eleven, arrived the Count d'Aranda +and Mr Fitzherbert. The Ministers of the three Crowns, signed and +sealed the preliminaries of peace and an armistice, in presence of +Doctor Franklin and myself, who also signed and sealed a declaration +of an armistice between the Crown of Great Britain and the United +States of America, and received a counter declaration from Mr +Fitzherbert. Copies of these declarations are enclosed.[3] + +The King of Great Britain has made a declaration concerning the terms, +that he will allow to the Dutch; but they are not such as will give +satisfaction to that unfortunate nation, for whom, on account of their +friendship for us, and the important benefits we have received from +it, I feel very sensibly and sincerely. Yesterday we went to +Versailles again to make our court to the King and royal family upon +the occasion, and received the compliments of the Foreign Ministers. + +The Count d'Aranda invited me to dine with him on Sunday next, and +said he hoped that the affairs of Spain and the United States would be +soon adjusted _a l'aimable_. I answered, that I wished it with all my +heart. The two Floridas and Minorca are more than a _quantum meruit_ +for what this Power has done, and the Dutch unfortunately are to +suffer for it. It is not in my power to say when the definitive treaty +will be signed. I hope not before the Dutch are ready, in six weeks or +two months at farthest I suppose. + +It is no longer necessary for Congress to appoint another person in my +place in the commission for peace, because it will be executed before +this reaches America. But I beg leave to renew the resignation of the +credence to the States-General, and the commission for borrowing money +in Holland, and to request, that no time may be lost in transmitting +the acceptance of this resignation, and another person to take that +station, that I may be able to go home in the spring ships. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[3] Contained in the Correspondence of the Ministers for negotiating +peace. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, January 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +The letters you did me the honor to write on the 6th, and 18th of +November, came safe to hand. + +You do me honor, Sir, in applauding the judgment I have formed from +time to time of the Court of Britain, and future ages will give me +credit for the judgment I have formed of some other Courts. The true +designs of a Minister of State are not difficult to be penetrated by +an honest man of common sense, who is in a situation to know anything +of the secret of affairs, and to observe constantly the chain of +public events; for whatever ostensible appearances may be put on, +whatever obliquities may be imagined, however the web may be woven, or +the thread doubled and twisted, enough will be seen to unravel the +whole. + +My opinions, as you observe, sometimes run counter to those generally +received; but the reason of this has generally been, that I have had +earlier evidence than the generality, and I have had the satisfaction +to find, that others have formed the same judgment, when they have +had the same intelligence. I do not affect singularity, nor love to be +in a minority, though truth and justice have sometimes obliged me to +be so. You say, that nothing can be more conformable to your wishes +than the instructions I transmitted. I am not surprised at this; it is +very natural. Had I never been on this side of the Atlantic, I believe +I should have been of your mind in this particular. At present I +cannot be, and I believe, by this time, the Dutch regret having given +them. You will hear enough of the reason of it. I have lived long +enough, and had experience enough of the conduct of governments, and +people, nations, and courts, to be convinced, that gratitude, +friendship, unsuspecting confidence, and all the most amiable passions +in human nature, are the most dangerous guides in politics. I assure +you, Sir, if we had not been more cautious than the Dutch, we should +have been worse off than they, and our country would have suffered +much more. + +Mr Laurens has been here, and has behaved with great caution, +firmness, and wisdom. He arrived so late, as only to attend the two +last days of the conferences, the 29th and 30th of November. But the +short time he was with us, he was of great service to the cause. He +has done great service to America in England, where his conversation +has been such as the purest and firmest American could wish it, and +has made many converts. He is gone again to Bath, and his journey will +do as much good to his country as to his health. He will return to the +signature of the definitive treaty. + +The ratifications of my contracts have been received. + +The release of Captain Asgill was so exquisite a relief to my +feelings, that I have not much cared what interposition it was owing +to. It would have been a horrid damp to the joys of peace, if we had +received a disagreeable account of him. + +The difference between Denmark and Holland is of no serious nature. +The clue to the whole is, the Queen Dowager is sister to the Duke of +Brunswick; but there is nothing to fear from Denmark. As to the +northern powers, we have nothing to fear from any of them. All of +them, and all the neutral powers, would have acknowledged our +independence before now, by receiving Mr Dana to sign the principles +of the armed neutrality, if he had not been restrained from acting. +The unlimited confidence of Congress has been grossly abused, and we +should have been irreparably injured, if we had not been upon our +guard. As our liberties and most important interests are now secured, +as far as they can be, against Great Britain, it would be my wish to +say as little as possible of the policy of any Minister of our first +ally, which has not been as we could desire, and to retain forever a +grateful remembrance of the friendly assistance we have received. But +we have evidence enough to warn us against unlimited confidence in any +European Minister of State. + +I have never drawn upon Dr Franklin for any money, since the end of my +two and a half years' salary; and he tells me he has made no use of +the bills. I had received money for my subsistence of Messieurs +Willinks, and as it will be but a few months more, at farthest, that I +shall have to subsist in Europe, I beg leave to proceed to the end in +the same way. I shall receive only the amount of my salary, and settle +the account with Congress on my return. + +I hope to be safely landed on my native shore in the month of June; +and to this end, I beg that an appointment may be made to the Dutch +mission, and the acceptance of my resignation be transmitted to me by +the first ships. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO C. W. F. DUMAS. + + Paris, January 29th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon receiving the letter, which you did me the honor to write me on +the 24th, late last evening, I went immediately to consult with my +colleague, Mr Jay, and we agreed to go this morning to Dr Franklin. +Accordingly today we went together to Passy, and communicated your +letter to him, and after recollecting the powers we have received, we +all agreed that I should make you the following answer. + +You will readily recollect the resolutions of Congress, which I did +myself the honor two years ago to communicate to the President of +their High Mightinesses, and to the Ministers of Russia, Sweden, and +Denmark, at the Hague. The letter to the President was sent "_au +greffe_," and there may, perhaps, be now found. These resolutions +contained the approbation of Congress, of the principles of the +declaration of the Empress of Russia, and authorised any of the +American Ministers in Europe, if invited thereto, to pledge the faith +of the United States to the observance of them. + +Sometime after this, Congress sent Mr Dana a commission with full +power to accede to the principles of the Marine Treaty between the +neutral powers, and he is now at Petersburg, vested with these powers, +and, according to late intelligence received from him, has well +founded expectations of being soon admitted. + +It is the opinion of my colleagues, as well as my own, that no +commission of mine to their High Mightinesses contains authority to +negotiate this business, and we are all of opinion, that it is most +proper that Mr Dana should negotiate it. + +But as there has been no express revocation of the power given to all +or any of us, by the first resolutions, and if the case should happen, +that Mr Dana could not attend in season, on account of the distance, +for the sake of accelerating the signature of the definitive treaty of +peace, we should not hesitate to pledge the faith of the United States +to the observance of the principles of the armed neutrality. I wish it +were in my power to give you a more satisfactory answer, but candor +will warrant no other. + +With great respect to the gentlemen, as well as to you, + +I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, February 5th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The resolution of Congress of the 12th of July, 1781, "That the +commission and instructions, for negotiating a Treaty of Commerce +between these United States and Great Britain, given to the Honorable +John Adams, on the 29th day of September, 1779, be, and they are +hereby revoked," was duly received by me in Holland; but no +explanation of the motives to it, or the reasons on which it was +founded, was ever transmitted to me by Congress, or the Committee of +Foreign Affairs, or any individual member, nor has anybody in Europe, +or America, ever once attempted, that I know of, to guess at the +reason. Whether it was intended as a punishment to me, or with a +charitable design not to lead me into temptation; whether it was +intended as a punishment to the English for their insolence and +barbarity; whether it was intended to prevent or remove suspicions of +allies, or the envy and green eyed jealousy of copatriots, I know not. +Of one thing, however, I am fully satisfied, that Congress had +reasons, and meant well; but whether those reasons were founded on +true or mistaken information, I know not. + +When I recollect the instructions, which were given and revoked with +that commission, I can guess, and only guess, at some considerations, +which might, or might not, operate with Congress. In these +instructions, Congress determined, + +1st. That the common right of fishing should in no case be given up. + +2dly. That it is essential to the welfare of all these United States, +that the inhabitants thereof, at the expiration of the war, should +continue to enjoy the free and undisturbed exercise of their common +right to fish on the Banks of Newfoundland, and the other fishing +banks and seas of North America, preserving inviolate the treaties +between France and the said States, &c. &c. + +3dly. "That our faith be pledged to the several States, that without +their unanimous consent no Treaty of Commerce shall be entered into, +nor any trade or commerce whatever carried on with Great Britain, +without the explicit stipulation hereinafter mentioned. You are, +therefore, not to consent to any Treaty of Commerce with Great +Britain, without an explicit stipulation on her part, not to molest or +disturb the inhabitants of the United States of America, in taking +fish on the Banks of Newfoundland, and other fisheries in the American +seas, anywhere, excepting within the distance of three leagues of the +shores of the territories remaining to Great Britain at the close of +the war, if a nearer distance cannot be obtained by negotiation. And +in the negotiation you are to exert your most strenuous endeavors to +obtain a nearer distance in the Gulf of St Lawrence, and particularly +along the shores of Nova Scotia; as to which latter we are desirous, +that even the shores may be occasionally used for the purpose of +carrying on the fisheries by the inhabitants of these States." + +These instructions are very decisive in favor of our indubitable right +to the fisheries; and it is possible, that Congress might be of +opinion, that commerce would be the strongest inducement to the +English to make peace, and at the same time, that there was something +so naval in the fisheries, that the dread of acknowledging our right +to them would be the strongest obstacle in the way of peace. They +might think, too, that peace was of more importance to the United +States, than a British acknowledgment of our right to the fisheries, +which, to be sure, would have been enjoyed by our people in a good +degree without it. + +Reasonings like these might influence Congress to revoke the +commission and instructions in question. But whatever probability +there might appear in them at that time, experience has since shown, +that they were not well founded. On the contrary, arguments have been +found to convince the British Ministers themselves, that it was the +interest of their King and country, not only to acknowledge the +American right to the fisheries, but to encourage the unrestrained +exercise of it. These considerations, therefore, can be no longer of +any weight against a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, or against +accrediting a Minister to the Court of St James. Nor can I conceive of +any motive now existing against this measure. On the contrary, so many +advantages present themselves to view, that I think it my duty to +recommend them to Congress as proper to be adopted without loss of +time. If there are in Congress any of those gentlemen, with whom I had +the honor to serve in the years 1775 and 1776, they may possibly +remember, that in arguing in favor of sending Ministers to Versailles, +to propose a connexion with that Court, I laid it down as a first +principle, that we should calculate all our measures and foreign +negotiations in such a manner, as to avoid a too great dependence upon +any one power of Europe; to avoid all obligations and temptations to +take any part in future European wars. That the business of America +with Europe was commerce, not politics or war. And above all, that it +never could be our interest to ruin Great Britain, or injure or weaken +her any further than should be necessary to support our independence, +and our alliances; and that as soon as Great Britain should be brought +to a temper to acknowledge our sovereignty and our alliances, and +consent that we should maintain the one, and fulfil the others, it +would be our interest and duty to be her friends, as well as the +friends of all the other powers of Europe, and enemies to none. + +We are now happily arrived, through many tremendous tempests, at that +period. Great Britain respects us as sovereign States, and respects +all our political engagements with foreign nations, and as long as she +continues in this temper of wisdom, it is our duty to respect her. We +have accordingly made a treaty with her and mutually sworn to be +friends. Through the whole period of our warfare and negotiations, I +confess I have never lost sight of the principles and the system, with +which I set out, which appeared to me to be the sentiments of Congress +with great unanimity, and I have no reason to believe that any change +of opinion has taken place; if there has not, every one will agree +with me, that no measure we can pursue will have such a tendency to +preserve the government and people of England in the right system for +their own and our interest, and the interest of our allies too, well +understood, as sending a Minister to reside at the Court of London. + +In the next place, the Court of London is the best station to collect +intelligence from every part, and by means of the freedom of the press +to communicate information for the benefit of our country, to every +part of the world. In time of peace, there is so frequent travelling +between Paris, London, and the Hague, that the correspondence of our +Ministers at those Courts may be carried on by private hands, without +hazarding anything from the infidelity of the posts, and Congress may +reasonably expect advantages from this circumstance. + +In the third place, a treaty of commerce with Great Britain is an +affair of great importance to both countries. Upon this occasion I +hope I shall be excused if I venture to advise, that Congress should +instruct their Minister not to conclude such a treaty, without sending +the project to them for their observations and fresh instructions, and +I think it would not be improper, on this occasion, to imitate the +Dutch method, and take the project, _ad referendum_, and transmit it +to the Legislatures of all the States for their remarks, before +Congress finally resolve. Their Minister may be authorised and +instructed, in the mean time, to enter into a temporary convention for +regulating the present trade, for a limited number of months or years, +or until the treaty of commerce shall be completed. + +In the fourth place, it is our part to be the first to send a Minister +to Great Britain, which is the older, and as yet the superior State. +It becomes us to send a Minister first, and I doubt not the King of +Great Britain will very soon return the compliment. Whereas if we do +not begin, I believe there will be many delicacies at St James', +about being the first to send. I confess I wish a British Minister at +Philadelphia, and think we should derive many benefits from his +residence there. While we have any foreign Ministers among us, I wish +to have them from all the great powers with whom we are much +connected. The _Corps Diplomatique_ at every Court is, or ought to be, +a system representing at least that part of the system of Europe, with +which that Court is most conversant. + +In the same manner, or at least from similar reasons, as long as we +have any one Minister abroad at any European Court, I think we ought +to have one at every one to which we are most essentially related, +whether in commerce or policy, and therefore while we have any +Minister at Versailles, the Hague, or London, I think it clear we +ought to have one at each, though I confess I have sometimes thought, +that after a very few years, it will be the best thing we can do to +recall every Minister from Europe, and send embassies only on special +occasions. + +If, however, any members of Congress should have any delicacies, lest +an American Minister should not be received with a dignity becoming +his rank and character at London, they may send a commission to make +a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, to their Minister at Madrid, +or Versailles, or the Hague, or St Petersburg, and instruct him to +carry on the negotiation from the Court where he may be, until he +shall be invited to London, or a letter of credence may be sent to one +of these, with instructions to go to London, as soon as the King shall +appoint a Minister to go to Philadelphia. + +After all, however, my opinion is, that none of these manoeuvres are +necessary, but that the best way will be to send a Minister directly +to St James', with a letter of credence to the King, as a Minister +Plenipotentiary, and a commission to treat of a treaty of commerce, +but with instructions not to come to any irrevocable conclusion, until +Congress and all the States have an opportunity to consider of the +project, and suggest their amendments. + +There is one more argument in favor of sending a Minister forthwith; +it is this, while this mission lies open, it will be a source of +jealousy among present Ministers, and such as are or may be candidates +to be foreign Ministers, a source of intrigue and faction among their +partisans and adherents, and a source of animosity and division among +the people of the States. For this reason, it is a pity, that the +first choice had not been such as Congress could have continued to +approve, and the first measure such as Congress could have constantly +persevered in. If this had been the case, the door of faction would +have been kept shut. As this, however, was once my department, by the +voice of eleven States, in twelve present, and as I will be answerable +at any hazard, it will never be the department of any one by a greater +majority, there seems to be a propriety in my giving my advice +concerning it, on taking leave of it, if such is the will of +Congress, as I have before done in this letter, according to the best +of my judgment. And if it should not be thought too presumptuous, I +would beg leave to add, what is my idea of the qualifications +necessary for an American foreign Minister in general, and +particularly and above all to the Court of St James'. + +In the first place, he should have had an education in classical +learning, and in the knowledge of general history, ancient and modern, +and particularly the history of France, England, Holland, and America. +He should be well versed in the principles of ethics, of the law of +nature and nations, of legislation and government, of the civil Roman +law, of the laws of England, and the United States, of the public law +of Europe, and in the letters, memoirs, and histories of those great +men, who have heretofore shone in the diplomatic order, and conducted +the affairs of nations, and the world. He should be of an age to +possess a maturity of judgment, arising from experience in business. +He should be active, attentive, and industrious, and above all, he +should possess an upright heart, and an independent spirit, and should +be one, who decidedly makes the interest of his country, not the +policy of any other nation, nor his own private ambition or interest, +or those of his family, friends, and connexions, the rule of his +conduct. + +We hear so much said about a genteel address, and a facility in +speaking the French language, that one would think a dancing master +and a French master the only tutors necessary to educate a statesman. +Be it remembered, the present revolution, neither in America nor +Europe, has been accomplished by elegant bows, nor by fluency in +French, nor will any great thing ever be effected by such +accomplishments alone. A man must have something in his head to say, +before he can speak to effect, how ready soever he may be at +utterance. And if the knowledge is in his head, and the virtue in his +heart, he will never fail to find a way of communicating his +sentiments to good purpose. He will always have excellent translators +ready, if he wants them, to turn his thoughts into any language he +desires. + +As to what is called a fine address, it is seldom attended to after a +first or second conversation, and even in these, it is regarded no +more by men of sense of any country, than another thing, which I heard +disputed with great vivacity among the officers of the French frigate, +the Sensible. The question was, what were the several departments of +an Ambassador and a Secretary of Legation. After a long and shrewd +discussion, it was decided by a majority of votes, "that the +Secretary's part was to do the business, and that of an Ambassador to +keep a mistress." This decision produced a laugh among the company, +and no ideas of the kind will ever produce anything else, among men of +understanding. + +It is very true, that it is possible, that a case may happen, that a +man may serve his country by a bribe well placed, or an intrigue of +pleasure with a woman. But it is equally true, that a man's country +will be sold and betrayed a thousand times by this infamous commerce, +where it will be once served. It is very certain, that we shall never +be a match for European statesmen in such accomplishments for +negotiation, any more than, I must and will add, they will equal us in +any solid abilities, virtues, and application to business, if we +choose wisely among the excellent characters, with which our country +abounds. + +Among the Ministers, who have already crossed the Atlantic to Europe, +there have been none exceeding Mr Jay and Mr Dana, in all the +qualifications I have presumed to enumerate, and I must say, that if I +had the honor to give my vote in Congress, for a Minister at the Court +of Great Britain, provided that injustice must be finally done to him, +who was the first object of his country's choice, such have been the +activity, intelligence, address, and fortitude of Mr Jay, as well as +his sufferings in his voyage, journeys, and past services, that I +should think of no other object of my choice than that gentleman. If +Congress should neglect all their old Ministers, and send a fresh one +from America, they cannot be at a loss, for there are in that country +great numbers of men well qualified for the service. These are most +certainly better known by name to Congress than to me, and, therefore, +I shall venture no further, but conclude, by wishing this arduous +business well settled, and by assurances to Congress, and to you, Sir, +of my warmest attachment and respect. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS. + + Philadelphia, February 13th, 1783. + + Dear Sir, + +On my return, the night before last, from a journey to the State of +New York, I found your favors of the 6th, the 7th, the 17th, the 19th, +and the 23d of September. They contain important and useful +information; and that particularly of the 6th is replete with matter, +which deserves an attention, that I lament not having it in my power +to give it at this moment, as the express, by which this goes to +Baltimore, is on the wing. + +I congratulate you most sincerely upon having surmounted all the +obstacles, that opposed themselves to the completion of our important +connexion with the United States [of Holland]. It has, I think, given +the last blow to the pride of Britain. Its power, so far as it could +endanger us, was past recovery before, except as it derived force from +its pride, which, like the last struggles of a dying man, gave an +appearance of vigor to the body, which it was about to destroy. + +This covers a ratification of the treaty. The first copy sent by Mr +Jefferson has not been signed by me, owing to my absence. That +gentleman has not yet sailed from Baltimore, having been delayed by a +number of the enemy's cruisers, which infest the Bay. + +We this day received the speech of his Britannic Majesty. It breathes +so much the language of peace, that I begin to think it will be +unnecessary to give Mr Jefferson the trouble of going over at all. The +delays he has met with leave you longer without intelligence from +hence, than I would ever wish you to be, though no important event has +taken place, except the evacuation of Charleston. Our distress for +want of money has rather increased, than diminished. This object will +demand your attention, full as much if the war should be terminated, +as if it should continue. The army, and the other public creditors, +begin to grow very uneasy, and our present exhausted situation will +not admit of internal loans, or such taxes as will suffice to give +them relief. + +I have sent you three different sets of cyphers, not thinking it +advisable to send duplicates. Be pleased to let me know whether any +and which have arrived safe. + +I am, Sir, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, March 2d, 1783. + + Sir, + +I am very much of your opinion, that all places in general, in foreign +countries, under the United States, should be filled with Americans, +but am sometimes requested to transmit to Congress applications and +recommendations in so pressing a manner, and by persons of +distinction, that it would be scarcely civil to refuse. + +Such an instance is the following, and if Congress should depart from +the general rule, I suppose, that no person at Leghorn has so good +pretensions. + +The application to me is this,--"Messrs Touissaint, Doutremont & Co., +merchants of great credit at Leghorn, who obtained, fortyfive years +ago, letters of nobility from the Court of France, pray the gentlemen, +the deputies of the United States of America, to grant them the place +of Consul, or of Agent of their commerce at Leghorn." + +At least, if Congress, or their Ministers, have occasion for a +correspondent in that city, they will not be at a loss. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN ADAMS. + + Philadelphia, April 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I received two days ago your favors of the 22d and 23d of January, +with the declarations for the cessation of hostilities, on which a +doubt of much importance to the people of this country is started, to +wit, to know at what period hostilities ceased on this coast, that is, +what is meant by "as far as the Canaries." If it means in the same +_latitude_, hostilities ceased here the 3d of March, and a great +number of vessels must be restored. If it does not mean a latitudinal +line, what does it mean, which carries any certainty with it? The +terms of the provisional treaty also occasion much debate. A variety +of questions have been started, but these I shall speak of in my +letter to you in conjunction with your colleagues, that you may, if +opportunity should offer before the Definitive Treaty is concluded, +find some means to rid them of their ambiguity. + +It would give me pain to find, that the Dutch do not attain their +objects in the close of the war, and still more to impute their +misfortunes to any desertion of their interests by France, since I +confess freely to you, that her conduct, as far as I have observed it, +has appeared to me in the highest degree generous and disinterested. +The extreme langour of the Dutch, their divisions, and the less than +nothing that they have done for themselves, entitle them to little. +Without the uncommon exertions of France, they would not have had a +single settlement left, either in the East or West Indies. So that +they lay absolutely at her mercy, and, therefore, I was pleased to +find their instructions to their Ministers so expressed as to leave no +room to fear, that they would obstruct the peace, when they +contributed so little to the prosecution of the war. But I rather +pitied, than blamed their weakness; they were torn by factions, and +clogged by an executive, which strove to find reasons for having no +execution. + +Congress, the day before yesterday, agreed to ratify the Provisional +Articles as such, and to release their prisoners, in which the British +took the lead. The tories have little reliance upon the effect of the +recommendations of Congress; great numbers of them have sailed, and +are daily sailing for Nova Scotia. + +With respect to your salary, I must pray you to settle with Dr +Franklin the amount of bills drawn in your favor. You will, with those +that go by this conveyance, receive the amount of three quarters' +salary, at two thousand seven hundred and seventyseven dollars and +sixtyeight ninetieths per quarter, which were laid out in bills at six +shillings three pence, this money, for five livres, which was a very +advantageous exchange for you. This, however, Congress have directed, +by the enclosed resolution, to be altered, and your salaries to be +paid in bills at the rate of five livres, five sous per dollar. As +this resolution retrospects you will have, with the bills transmitted +to you, livres more than is due for three quarters' salary. This will +be deducted from the last quarter, for which I will get a warrant, and +leave it with the Treasury here for you or your order. By settling +this matter with Dr Franklin, and redrawing upon your banker in +Holland, you will leave my accounts unembarrassed, which is of +consequence to me, as I have determined to quit the place I now hold, +in the course of a few weeks, and enjoy in retirement the pleasures of +peace. I have charged no commissions on these money transactions, nor +do I propose to charge any. + +Your account of contingent expenses is before a committee. Should +Congress agree to accept your resignation, (which I am sorry to see +you offer, since the connexions you have formed, and the experience +you have acquired, might render you particularly serviceable in +Holland) it will be best that you settle it with them yourself on your +arrival. The want of permanent funds, and the opposition which some +States have given to every attempt to establish them, the demands of +the public creditors, and particularly of the army, have excited much +uneasiness here. Satisfactory measures will, I hope, be adopted to +calm it, and do ample justice. The army, whose proceedings I transmit, +have done themselves honor by their conduct on this occasion. Too much +praise could not be given to the commander-in-chief, for the share he +had in the transaction, if he was not above all praise. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, April 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +You may easily imagine our anxiety to hear from America, when you know +that we have no news to this hour, either of your reception of the +news of peace, or that of the treaty with Holland, four copies of +which I put on board different vessels at Amsterdam, in October. + +We have been in equal uncertainty about the turn, which affairs might +take in England. But by letters from Mr Laurens we expect him every +day, and Mr David Hartley with him, in order to complete the +definitive treaty. It would have been more agreeable to have finished +with Mr Oswald. But the present Ministry are so dissatisfied with what +is past, as they say, though nobody believes them, that they choose to +change hands. + +It will be proposed, I believe, to make a temporary arrangement of +commercial matters, as our powers are not competent to a durable one, +if to any. Congress will, no doubt, soon send a Minister with full +powers, as the treaty of commerce with Great Britain is of great +importance, and our affairs in that country require an overseer. + +It is confidently asserted, in letters from Holland, that M. Markow, +the Minister Plenipotentiary from the Empress of Russia, has received +from his mistress a full power to come to Paris, to the assistance of +the Prince Bariatinski at a Congress for a general pacification. There +is, as yet, no answer received from the Emperor. If the two Imperial +Courts accept of the mediation, there will be a Congress; but I +suppose it will relate chiefly to the affairs of Holland, which are +not yet arranged, and to the liberty of neutral navigation, which is +their principal point. I wish success to that Republic in this +negotiation, which will help to compose their interior disorders, +which are alarming. + +I know not whether it will be insisted or expected, that we should +join in the Congress, nor do I know what we have to do in it, unless +it be to settle that point as far as it relates to us. There is +nothing in difference between us and Great Britain, which we cannot +adjust ourselves, without any mediation. + +A spring passage to America is so great an object, that I should be +very sorry to have the negotiations spun out to such a length as to +oblige me to lose it, and I take it for granted, I shall now receive +the acceptance of my resignation by the first ships. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, May 21st, 1783. + + Sir, + +I am just now honored with yours of the 19th of January, by the way of +London. We have not yet had the happiness to receive, as we should be +disposed to do with open arms, our excellent old friend Jefferson, and +begin to fear that the news of peace has determined him not to come. + +I thank you, Sir, for your polite congratulations; when the tide +turned, it flowed with rapidity, and carried the vessel, as I hope, +into a safe harbor. + +As to the loan in Holland, I have never troubled you, nor any one else +in America, with details of the vexations of various kinds, which I +met with in the negotiation of it; indeed, I never thought it prudent +or safe to do it. If I had told the whole truth, it could have done no +good, and it might have done infinite mischief. In general, it is now +sufficient to say, that private interest, party spirit, factions, +cabals, and slanderers, have obstructed, perplexed, and tortured our +loan in Holland, as well as all our other affairs, foreign and +domestic. But as there has been a greater variety of clashing +interests, English, French, Stadtholderian, Republican, and American, +mixing in the affair of our loan in Holland, it has been more puzzled +than anything else. If, in the bitterness of my soul, I had described +the fermentation, and mentioned names, and drawn characters, I might +have transmitted a curious tale, but it would have only served to +inflame old animosities, and excite new ones. + +A great many things are said to me, on purpose that they may be +represented to you or to Congress. Some of these I believe to be +false, most of them I suspect, and some of them that are true would do +no good. I think it necessary, therefore, to employ a little +discretion in such cases. + +Messrs Willinks & Co. will write you from time to time, as they tell +me they have done, the state of the loan. Mr Grand wants all the +money, but they wait your orders. The loan has been and will be damped +by transmitting the money to France, but your necessities were so +urgent, that you could not avoid it. + +In my opinion, if you had a Minister at St James's, and he were +authorised to borrow money generally, in England or elsewhere, it +would serve you greatly, by causing an emulation even in Holland, +besides the money you would procure in London, which would not be a +trifling sum. + +I wish I were in Congress, that I might assist you in persuading our +countrymen to pay taxes and build ships. + +With great esteem and respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, May 24th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I have the honor to enclose copies, to be laid before Congress, of +several papers. 1st. Mr Hartley's full powers of May 14th. 2dly. The +order of the King of Great Britain in Council, for regulating the +American trade, of May 14th. 3dly. Articles proposed by the American +Ministers to Mr Hartley, April 29th. 4thly. Mr Hartley's observations +left with us May 21st. And 5thly. Mr Hartley's proposition of the same +day.[4] + +This proposition, however, upon inquiry, we find Mr Hartley does not +incline to subscribe to, before he sends it to his Court for their +orders. So that we have not yet given him our opinion of it. He has +sent a courier to London, before whose return we hope to have further +intelligence from Philadelphia. + +The present British Ministry discover an indecision and timidity, +which indicate instability. Some persons from England imagine, that my +Lord Shelburne will come in again. The change would produce a longer +delay; but I think would be no disadvantage to America. If he had +continued in power, I think we should have finished, or been ready to +finish, before now with Mr Oswald. Mr Hartley's dispositions, however, +are very good, and if left to his own judgment, would be liberal and +fair. + +The idea of reviving the trade, upon the plan of the laws of Great +Britain before the war, although those laws were calculated so much +for the advantage of that country and so little for the advantage of +ours, might be admissible for a few months, until Ministers could be +appointed on both sides to frame a treaty of commerce; provided no +advantage should be ceded by it, in the negotiation of such treaty, +and provided, that such a temporary convention for trade should +neither delay nor influence the definitive treaty. It is much to be +wished, that the definitive treaty of peace, and a permanent treaty of +commerce, could be signed at the same time. This, however, seems now +to be impossible; and, therefore, some temporary regulation of +commerce seems unavoidable. But we are as yet too uncertain of the +sentiments of the Court of St James, to be able to foresee, whether we +shall be able to agree with them. Mr Hartley has been here four weeks, +and nothing has been done, although he was very sanguine before he +left London, that he should send home a convention in less than half +of four days. + +Congress will see by Mr Hartley's commission, that they are become the +"good friends" of the King of Great Britain. Mr Hartley on his first +arrival here communicated to us in form, an invitation from the +Ministers, with the knowledge and consent of the King, to all the +American Ministers to go to London, with the assurance, that we should +be there presented at Court, and treated in all respects like the +Ministers of any other sovereign State. He also communicated the +desire of his Court, that the two Powers should interchange Ministers +as soon as possible. I hope that the first ship will bring a Minister +for that Court, or a commission to some one to go there, because I +think it would have been useful to us to have had one there three +months ago, and that it would not be less useful now. The permanent +treaty of commerce, nevertheless, should not he hastily concluded, nor +before Congress shall have had an opportunity to judge of the project, +suggest their amendments, and transmit their orders. + +No preliminaries are yet signed with the Dutch, and I am very anxious +for their lot. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[4] These papers will be found in the Correspondence of the +Commissioners for making peace. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, May 30th, 1783. + + Sir, + +On the 28th of this month, the letter which you did me the honor to +write me on the 13th of February, which arrived at the Hague, I +received, enclosed with the ratification of the treaty with their High +Mightinesses, which will be exchanged by M. Dumas, as the conferences +here for the definitive treaty will not admit of my taking so long a +journey at this time.[5] + +This arrival in season to exchange the ratifications before the +departure of M. Van Berckel, which is to be in about three weeks, is +fortunate. I hope that the first ships from America will bring my +letter of recall from that Republic, and another Minister, or credence +to some one now in Europe, to take my place. + +I am happy to find that any letters of mine in September last +contained information that you think of consequence, although, not +having my letter book here, I am not able to recollect the subject. +The final completion of the negotiation with Holland gives me a +pleasure, which will not be equalled, but by that of the definitive +treaty of peace, which languishes at present for want of decisive +instructions from Mr Hartley, in such a manner, as gives cause to +suspect that the present Ministry are not firm in their seats. + +The presence of a Minister in Holland would encourage your loan of +money there, but it would be quickened still more, by your sending a +Minister to London, with powers to borrow money there. Emulation is +the best spring; or call it rivalry, or jealousy, if you will, it will +get you money if you put it in motion. + +I have received two cyphers from you, Sir, one beginning with No. 1, +and ending with No. 1011. The other beginning with Amsterdam, and +ending with Provinces. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[5] The particulars of the ratification will be seen in M. Dumas's +Correspondence. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 9th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The enclosed, No. 121 of the _Politique Hollandais_ having translated +a few sentences of mine, and the author intending to insert more, as +he has already inserted a good deal of the same correspondence, I +think it proper to transmit you a short relation of it. + +In 1780, at Paris, a number of pamphlets of Mr Galloway's were sent me +from England. I wrote to a friend an answer to them. He sent it to +London to be published. But whether the printers were afraid, or from +what other motive, I know not. I heard nothing of them until the +spring and summer of 1782, when some of them appeared in print, in +Parker's General Advertiser, under the title of "_Letters from a +distinguished American_," &c. but with false dates. + +There are in those letters so many of the characteristic features of +the Provisional Treaty, of the 30th of November, 1782, that the +publication of them in England, at the time when they appeared, may be +supposed to have contributed, more or less, to propagate such +sentiments as the more private circulation of them before had +suggested to a few. And as they were written by one of your Ministers +at the conferences for peace, who repeated and extended the same +arguments to the British Ministers in the course of the negotiation, +it is proper that you should be informed of them. Whether I have in +any former letter mentioned this subject, or not, I do not recollect. +If I have, I pray you to excuse the repetition. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 16th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday afternoon, the duplicate of your letter of the 14th of +April, No. 16, was brought in to me, with the post-mark "Brest" upon +it. As soon as I had read it, I went out to Passy, in hopes that other +despatches had arrived there, but I found none. While I was there, a +packet of newspapers addressed to us all was brought in, with the +post-mark of Brest on it. I still hope and believe, that other +despatches, by the same conveyance, will appear in a few days, but +whether they are still in the post office, or whether the Duc de +Lauzun intends to bring them in person, is uncertain. + +I think, Sir, there is no room to doubt the justice of your opinion, +that the latitude of the Canaries is meant, and, consequently, that +hostilities ceased on the whole coast of the United States on the 3d +of March. + +I am well aware, that a variety of questions may be started upon the +provisional articles. The great points of sovereignty, limits, and +fisheries, are sufficiently clear. But there are too many other things +in much obscurity. No one of us alone would ever have put his hand to +such a writing. Yet there is no one to blame. It must be confessed, +that it was done in haste, but that haste was inevitable. The peace +depended absolutely upon the critical moment, when that treaty was +signed. The meeting of Parliament was so near, and the state of the +Ministry so critical, that if that opportunity had been lost, there +would have been at least another campaign. There were never less than +three of us, and there were finally no less than three to be consulted +on the other side. These inaccuracies are much to be lamented, but +they were quite unavoidable. We shall endeavor to explain them in the +definitive treaty, but I fear without success. + +I hope, Sir, you will excuse me, if I think your expressions fall +short of the real merit of the Dutch. If they had accepted the Russian +mediation for a separate peace, we should have seen a very formidable +difference. The vast weight of the Dutch in the East Indies, being +added to that of France, has influenced the minds of the natives in +such a manner, as to turn the scale against England. The Cape of Good +Hope was indispensable to France, and we are not yet informed what +proportion of the expense of French operations in the East Indies is +to be borne by the Dutch East India Company, at whose solicitations, +by their agents, sent early to Versailles, they were undertaken. From +twelve to fifteen British ships of the line, in the best condition, +with the best officers and men, have been kept almost constantly in +the North seas to watch the Dutch, a momentous diversion, which made +the balance more clear in favor of the allies in the East and West +Indies, as well as in the Channel; and it may be added, and that with +strict truth, the battle of Doggerbank imprinted more terror on the +imaginations of the British navy and nation, than all the other sea +engagements of the war. + +Your observations of their unfortunate situation are, however, very +just, and their exertions have not been such as they might and ought +to have been. But this was the fault of the enemies of France in +Holland, not of their friends, and, unhappily, those enemies are to be +gratified by the terms of peace prescribed to that power, and those +friends mortified. And this misfortune probably arises from the +instructions in question, by which they made themselves of no +importance, instead of acting the part of a sovereign, independent, +and respectable power. If they had held their own negotiations in +their own hands, they would probably have obtained better terms. I +could mention many facts and anecdotes of much importance; but these +have been communicated to me in confidence, and as this is a +discussion that concerns us only indirectly, and as our instructions +were parallel to theirs, although the execution of them was different, +and the event different, I shall waive any further observations upon +the subject. + +We are happy to learn, that Congress have ratified the treaty, +imperfect as it is, and that each side has released its prisoners. Mr +Hartley communicated to us officially, two days ago, that orders were +gone to New York to evacuate the United States. + +Dr Franklin has never made any use of the bills for my salary, and I +have never received any part of them. I shall easily settle that +matter when I get home, which your letter encourages me to hope will +be very soon. The connexions I have formed in Holland may be of use to +the public, wherever I may be, in America, or elsewhere, as well as +even in that country itself. Those connexions will readily become +those of any Minister Congress may send there. It cost me all my +happiness, and had very nearly cost me my life, to form them; it cost +me more; it has left me in an ill state of health, which I never shall +fully repair. I shall carry Holland in my veins to my grave. It will +cost no man anything to go there now. His mind will be at ease, and he +will have spirits necessary to take care to preserve his health. To me +it has become physically necessary, as well as a moral and religious +duty, to join my family. This can be done only by going to them, or +bringing them to me; and to bring them to Holland is what I cannot +think of, both because, that on account of my own health, as well as +theirs, and on other considerations, I should not choose to live among +those putrid lakes, and because I think I can do my country more and +better service at home than there. + +I will not disguise another motive, which would be altogether +insurmountable, if it were alone. I do not think it consistent with +the honor of the United States, any more than with my own, for me to +stay in Holland, after the appointment of any other Minister +whatsoever to the mission upon which I came to Europe, and which has +been taken from me without assigning any reason. Congress are the +sovereign judges for themselves and the public of the persons proper +for all services, excepting that every citizen is a sovereign judge +for himself. I have never adopted the principle, that it is a +citizen's duty to accept of any trust, that is pointed out to him, +unless he approves of it. On the contrary, I think it a right and a +duty, that no law of society can take away, for every man to judge +for himself, whether he can serve consistently with his own honor, and +the honor and interest of the public. + +When the existence of our country and her essential interests were at +stake, it was a duty to run all risks, to stifle every feeling, to +sacrifice every interest, and this duty I have discharged with +patience and perseverance, and with a success, that can be attributed +only to Providence. But in time of peace, the public in less danger +abroad than at home, knowing I can do more good at home, I should do a +very wrong thing to remove my family to stay in Holland, merely for +the sake of holding an honorable commission, making and receiving +bows, and compliments, and eating splendid suppers at Court. + +There is one piece of advice I beg leave to offer to the Minister who +may go to Holland, respecting a future loan of money. It is, to +inquire whether the house of Hope would undertake a loan for us, +either in conjunction with the houses who have the present one, or +with any of them, or alone. In my private opinion, which ought to be +kept as secret as possible, we might obtain a large loan in that way, +and that we cannot in any other. The people in that interest have the +money. I am not personally known to that House, nor any one of them to +me, but I know they are all powerful in money matters, and I believe +they would engage. + +The happy turn given to the discontents of the army, by the General, +is consistent with his character, which, as you observe, is above all +praise, as every character is whose rule and object are duty, not +interest, nor glory, which I think has been strictly true with the +General from the beginning, and I trust will continue to the end. May +he long live, and enjoy his reflections, and the confidence and +affections of a free, grateful, and virtuous people. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +Your favor of the 14th of April, No. 16, acknowledged the receipt of +mine of the 21st and the 22d of January, but took no notice of any +letters, which went by Captain Barney. Neither Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, +nor myself have any answer to the despatches, which went by this +express; although yours to me, No. 16, gave cause to expect letters to +us all, with instructions concerning the Definitive Treaty. This +profound silence of Congress, and the total darkness in which we are +left, concerning their sentiments, is very distressing to us, and very +dangerous and injurious to the public. + +I see no prospect of agreeing upon any regulation of commerce here. +The present Ministry are afraid of every knot of merchants. A clamor +of an interested party, more than an evil to their country, is their +dread. A few West India merchants, in opposition to the sense and +interest of the West India planters, are endeavoring to excite an +opposition to our carrying the produce of the West India Islands from +those islands to Europe, even to Great Britain. There are also secret +schemes to exclude us, if they can, from the trade of Ireland, to +possess themselves of the carrying trade of the United States, by +prohibiting any American vessel to bring to Great Britain any +commodity but those of the State to which it belongs. Thus, a +Philadelphia vessel can carry no tobacco, rice, or indigo, nor a +Carolina vessel wheat or flour, nor a Boston vessel either, unless +grown in its own State. In this way, a superficial party think they +can possess themselves of the carriage of almost all the productions +of the United States, annihilate our navigation and nurseries of +seamen, and keep all to themselves more effectually than ever. They +talk too of discouraging the people of the United States, and +encouraging those of Canada and Nova Scotia, in such a manner as to +increase the population of those two Provinces, even by migrations +from the United States. These are dreams, to be sure; but the dreamers +are so many, as to intimidate the present Ministry, who dare venture +upon nothing that will make a clamor. I have lately heard, that the +merchants in America are waiting to hear the regulations of trade made +here. They will wait, I know not how long. There is no present +prospect of our agreeing at all upon any regulations of trade. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +The British nation and Ministry are in a very unsettled state; they +find themselves in a new situation, and have not digested any plan. +Ireland is in a new situation; she is independent of Parliament, and +the English know not how to manage her. To what an extent she will +claim a right of trading with the United States, is unknown. Canada +too, and Nova Scotia, are in a new situation; the former, they say, +must have a new government. But what form to give them, and, indeed, +what kind of government they are capable of, or would be agreeable to +them, is uncertain. Nothing is digested. + +There is a party, composed probably of refugees, friends of the old +hostile system, and fomented by emissaries of several foreign nations, +who do not wish a cordial reconciliation and sincere friendship +between Great Britain and the United States, who clamor for the +conservation of the navigation act, and the carrying trade. If these +should succeed so far as to excite Parliament or the Ministry to adopt +a contracted principle, to exclude us from the West India trade, and +from trading with Canada and Nova Scotia, and from carrying freely, in +vessels belonging to any one of the Thirteen States, the production of +any other to Great Britain, the consequences may be to perplex us for +a time, may bind us closer to France, Spain, Holland, Germany, Italy, +and the northern nations, and thus be fatal to Great Britain, without +being finally very hurtful to us. + +The nations of Europe, who have islands in the West Indies, have, at +this moment, a delicate part to take. Upon their present decisions, +great things will depend. The commerce of the West India Islands, is a +part of the American system of commerce. They can neither do without +us, nor we without them. The Creator has placed us upon the globe in +such a situation, that we have occasion for each other. We have the +means of assisting each other, and politicians and artful contrivances +cannot separate us. Wise statesmen, like able artists of every kind, +study nature, and their works are perfect in proportion as they +conform to her laws. Obstinate attempts to prevent the islands and the +continent, by force or policy, from deriving from each other those +blessings, which nature has enabled them to afford, will only put +both to thinking of means of coming together. And an injudicious +regulation at this time may lay a foundation for intimate +combinations, between the islands and the continent, which otherwise +would not be wished for, or thought of by either. + +If the French, Dutch, and Danes, have common sense, they will profit +of any blunder Great Britain may commit upon this occasion. The ideas +of the British cabinet and merchants, at present, are so confused upon +all these subjects, that we can get them to agree to nothing. I still +think, that the best policy of the United States is, to send a +Minister to London to negotiate a treaty of commerce, instructed to +conclude nothing, not the smallest article, until he has sent it to +Congress, and received their approbation. In the meantime, Congress +may admit any British or Irish ships, that have arrived, or may +arrive, to trade as they please. + +For my own part, I confess I would not advise Congress to bind +themselves to anything, that is not reasonable and just. If we should +agree to revive the trade upon the old footing, it is the utmost that +can, with a color of justice or modesty, be requested of us. This is +not equal, but might be borne. Rather than go further, and deny +ourselves the freight from the West Indies to Europe, at least, to +Great Britain, especially rather than give away our own carrying +trade, by agreeing that the ships of one State should not carry to +Great Britain the produce of another, I would be for entering into +still closer connexions with France, Spain, and Holland, and purchase +of them, at the expense of Great Britain, what she has not wisdom +enough to allow us for her own good. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 24th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The gazettes of Europe still continue to be employed, as the great +engines of fraud and imposture to the good people of America. +Stockjobbers are not the only people, who employ a set of scribblers +to invent and publish falsehoods for their own peculiar purposes. +British and French, as well as other politicians, entertain these +fabricators of paragraphs, who are stationed about in the various +cities of Europe, and take up each other's productions in such a +manner, that no sooner does a paragraph appear in a French, Dutch, or +English paper, but it is immediately seized on, and reprinted in all +the others; this is not all; in looking over the American newspapers, +I observe, that nothing is seized on with so much avidity by the +American _nouvellists_, for republication in their gazettes, as these +political lies. I cannot attribute this merely to the credulity of the +printers, who have generally more discernment than to be deceived. But +I verily believe, there are persons in every State employed to select +out these things, and get them reprinted. + +Sometimes the invention is so simple, as really to deceive. Such, I +doubt not, will be that of a long paragraph in the English papers, all +importing that Mr Hartley had made a treaty of commerce with us, or +was upon the point of concluding one. Nothing is further from the +truth. We have not to this hour agreed upon one proposition, nor do I +see any probability that we shall at all, respecting commerce. + +We have not, indeed, as yet, agreed upon a point respecting the +definitive treaty. We are waiting for those instructions of yours, +which you mentioned in yours of the 14th of April, which I have not +yet received. + +Americans should be cautious of European newspapers, as well as of +their own; more so, indeed, because they have not so much knowledge, +and so good opportunities to detect the former as the latter. There is +a great number of persons in Europe, who insert things in the papers +in order to make impressions in America. Characters are in this way +built up and pulled down, without the least consideration of justice, +and merely to answer sinister purposes, sometimes extremely pernicious +to the United States. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 27th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, and myself, met to prepare the +definitive treaty, and made so much progress in it, that tomorrow we +shall be ready to communicate to Mr Hartley the result. But I have +small hopes of obtaining anything more by the definitive treaty. + +The Duke of Manchester, and Count d'Aranda have arranged everything +between England and Spain, and are ready to finish for their two +Courts. France, I presume, waits only for Holland, or perhaps for some +other negotiation with the Imperial Courts. If all the other parties +were now to declare themselves ready, we should be puzzled. In such a +case, however, I am determined (and I believe, but do not know, that +my colleagues would join me) to declare myself ready to sign the +provisional treaty, _totidem verbis_, for a definitive treaty. + +From all I can learn, I am persuaded we shall gain nothing by any +further negotiation. If we obtain anything by way of addition or +explanation, we shall be obliged to give more for it than it is worth. +If the British Minister refuses to agree to such changes as we may +think reasonable, and refuses to sign the provisional articles as +definitive ones, I take it for granted, France will not sign till we +do. If they should they are still safe, for the provisional articles +are to constitute the treaty as soon as France has made peace, and I +should rather have it on that footing, than make any material +alteration. + +I have put these several cases, because I should be supprised at +nothing from the present British Ministry. If they have any plan at +all, it is a much less gracious one towards America, than that of +their immediate predecessors. If Shelburne, Townshend, Pitt, &c. had +continued, we should have had everything settled long ago, to our +entire satisfaction, and to the infinite advantage of Great Britain +and America, in such a manner as would have restored good humor and +affection, as far as in the nature of things they can now be restored. + +After the great point of acknowledging our independence was got over, +by issuing Mr Oswald's last commission, this Shelburne administration +conducted towards us like men of sense and honor. The present +administration have neither discovered understanding nor sincerity. +The present British administration is unpopular, and it is in itself +so heterogeneous a composition, that it seems impossible it should +last long. Their present design seems to be not to commit themselves +by agreeing to anything. As soon as anything is done, somebody will +clamor. While nothing is done, it is not known what to clamor about. +If there should be a change in favor of the Ministry that made the +peace, and a dissolution of this profligate league, which they call +the coalition, it would be much for the good of all who speak the +English language. If fame says true, the coalition was formed at +gambling tables, and is conducted as it was formed, upon no other than +gambling principles. + +Such is the fate of a nation, which stands tottering on the brink of a +precipice, with a debt of two hundred and fiftysix millions sterling +on its shoulders; the interest of which, added to the peace +establishment only, exceeds by above a million annually all their +revenues, enormously and intolerably as they are already taxed. The +only chance they have for salvation is in a reform, and in recovering +the affection of America. The last Ministry were sensible of this, and +acted accordingly. The present Ministry are so far from being sensible +of it, or caring about it, that they seem to me to be throwing the +last dice for the destruction of their country. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, June 27th, 1783. + + Sir, + +A few vessels have arrived in England from various parts of America, +and have probably made the Ministry, merchants, and manufacturers less +anxious about a present arrangement of commerce. Whether these vessels +have rashly hazarded these voyages against the laws of their country, +or whether they have permission from Congress, or their States, we are +not informed. + +It would have been better, no doubt, to have had an agreement made +before the trade was opened, but the eagerness of both sides may not +easily be restrained. Whether it is practicable for Congress to stop +the trade, I know not, or whether it would be expedient if +practicable, I doubt. + +The balance of parties in England is so nicely poised, that the +smallest weight shifts the scales. In truth nothing can be done +without changing the Ministry, for whatever is done raises a cry +sufficient to shake those who do it. In this situation, it is a +question whether it is best to keep things in suspense, or bring them +to a decision. If Congress were to prohibit all trade with England, +until a Treaty of Commerce were made, or some temporary convention at +least, it might bring on a decision, by exciting a cry against the +Ministry for not making a convention. But the moment a convention is +made, a cry will be raised against them for making it. The present +Ministry, to judge by their motions hitherto, will hazard the clamor +for not making one, rather than that for making one. They think it +least dangerous to them, especially since they have seen so many +American vessels arrive in England, and have heard, that British ships +are admitted to an entry in the ports of America, particularly +Philadelphia. + +The most difficult thing to adjust in a Treaty of Commerce, will be +the communications we shall have with the West India Islands. This is +of great importance to us, and to the islands, and I think to Great +Britain too. Yet there is a formidable party for excluding us at least +from carrying the produce of those islands to Great Britain. + +Much will depend upon the Minister you first send to London. An +American Minister would be a formidable person to any British Minister +whatever. He would converse with all parties, and if he is a prudent, +cautious man, he would at this moment have more influence there than +you can imagine. + +We are chained here on the only spot in the world, where we can be of +no use. If my colleagues were of my mind, we would all go together to +London, where we could negotiate the Definitive Treaty, and talk of +arrangements of commerce to some purpose. However, one Minister in +London, with proper instructions, would do better than four. He would +have the artifices of French emissaries to counteract, as well as +English partizans; for you may depend upon it, the French see with +pleasure the improbability of our coming soon and cordially together, +as they saw with manifest regret, the appearances of cordial +reconciliation under the former administration. These sentiments are +not unnatural, but we are under no obligation, from mere complaisance, +to sacrifice interests of such deep and lasting consequence. For it is +not merely mercantile profit and convenience, that is at stake; future +wars, long and bloody wars, may be either avoided or entailed upon our +posterity, as we conduct wisely or otherwise the present negotiation +with Great Britain. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 3d, 1783. + + Sir, + +On the last Ambassador's day, which was last Tuesday, Dr Franklin, Mr +Jay, and myself waited on the Count de Vergennes, who told us, he +thought he had agreed with the Duke of Manchester, but that his Grace +had not yet received the positive approbation of his Court. The Count +advised us to make a visit altogether to the Ambassadors of the two +Imperial Courts. Accordingly, yesterday morning we went, first to the +Count de Mercy Argenteau, the Ambassador of the Emperor of Germany, +and King of Hungary and Bohemia. His Excellency was not at home, so we +left our card. + +We went next to the Prince Bariatinski, Minister Plenipotentiary from +the Court of Russia; our servant asked if the Prince was at home, and +received for answer, that he was. We were shown into the Prince's +apartment, who received us very politely. While we were here, Mr +Markoff came in. He also is a Minister Plenipotentiary, adjoined to +the Prince in the affair of the mediation. I told him we proposed to +do ourselves the honor of calling on him. He answered, "As you are an +old acquaintance I shall be very happy to see you." Whether this was a +turn of politeness, or whether it was a political distinction, I know +not. We shall soon know, by his returning, or not returning, our +visit. The Prince asked where I lodged, and I told him. This indicates +an intention to return the visit. + +We went next to the Dutch Ambassador's, M. de Berkenrode. He was not +at home, or not visible. Next to the Baron de Blome, Envoy +Extraordinary of the King of Denmark; not at home. Next to M. +Markoff's. The porter answered, that he was at home. We alighted, and +were going to his apartment, when we were told he was not come in. We +left a card, and went to the other Dutch Ambassador's, M. Brantzen, +who was not at home; _en passant_, we left a card at the Swedish +Minister's, and returned home, the heat being too excessive to pursue +our visits any further. + +Thus, we have made visits to all the Ministers, who are to be present +at the signature of the definitive treaty. Whether the Ministers of +the Imperial Courts will be present, I know not. There are many +appearances of a coldness between France and Russia, and the Emperor +seems to waver between two opinions, whether to join in the war that +threatens, or not. Perhaps the Ministers of the Imperial Courts will +write for instructions whether to return or not our visit. + +After I had begun this letter, Captain Barney came in, and delivered +me your duplicate of No. 12, November the 6th, 1782; duplicate of No. +14, December the 19th, 1782, and triplicate of No. 16, April the 14th, +1783, and the original of your letter of the 18th of April, 1783, not +numbered. The last contained my account. But as I have never received +any of this money from Dr Franklin, or M. Gerard, but have my salary +from Messrs Willinks & Co. at Amsterdam, I am extremely sorry you have +had so much trouble with this affair. + +Although in your later letters you say nothing of my resignation, or +the acceptance of it, I expect to receive it soon, and then I shall +have an opportunity to settle the affair of my salary at +Philadelphia. + +After reading your letters to me, I went out to Passy to see those +addressed to us all. Dr Franklin, Mr Jay, and myself, (Mr Laurens +being still in England) read them all over together. We shall do all +in our power to procure the advantages in the definitive treaty, you +mention. The state of parties is such in England, that it is +impossible to foresee when there will be a Ministry, who will dare to +take any step at all. The coalition between Lord North and his +connexions, and Mr Fox and his, is a rope of sand. Mr Fox, by pushing +the vote in the House of Commons disapproving the peace, and by +joining so many of the old Ministers in the new administration, has +justly excited so many jealousies of his sincerity, that no confidence +can be placed in him by us. I am extremely sorry, that the most +amiable men in the nation, Portland, and the Cavendishes, should have +involved themselves in the same reproach. + +In short, at present, Shelburne, Pitt, Townshend, and the +administration of which they were members, seem to have been the only +ones, who, for a moment, had just notions of their country and ours. +Whether these men, if now called to power, would pursue their former +ideas, I know not. The Bible teaches us not to put our trust in +Princes, and _a fortiori_ in Ministers of State. + +The West India commerce now gives us most anxiety. If the former +British Ministry had stood, we might have secured it from England, +and, in that case, France would have been obliged to admit us to their +islands, _se defendendo_. The first maxim of a statesman, as well as +that of a statuary, or a painter, should be to study nature; to cast +his eyes round about his country, and see what advantages nature has +given it. This was well attended to, in the boundary between the +United States and Canada, and in the fisheries. The commerce of the +West India Islands, falls necessarily into the natural system of the +commerce of the United States. We are necessary to them and they to +us; and there will be a commerce between us. If the government forbid +it, it will be carried on clandestinely; France can more easily +connive at a contraband trade than England. But we ought to wish to +avoid the temptation to this. I believe, that neither France nor +England will allow us to transport the productions of their Islands to +other parts of Europe. + +The utmost we may hope to obtain would be permission to import the +productions of the French Islands into France, giving bond to land +them in some port of that kingdom, and the productions of the English +Islands into some port of Great Britain, giving bonds to land them +there. It must, however, be the care of the Minister, who may have to +negotiate a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, to obtain as ample +freedom in this trade as possible. + +While I was writing the above, my servant announced the Imperial +Ambassador, whom I rose to receive. He said, that he was happy that +the circumstances of the times afforded him an opportunity of forming +an acquaintance with me, which he hoped would be improved into a more +intimate one. I said, his Excellency did me great honor, and begged +him to sit, which he did, and fell into a conversation of an hour. We +ran over a variety of subjects, particularly the commerce which might +take place between the United States and Germany, by the way of +Trieste and Fiume, and the Austrian Netherlands, and the great +disposition in Germany to migration to America. He says he knows the +country round about Trieste very well, having an estate there; that +it is a very extensive and a very rich country, which communicates +with that maritime city, and that the navigation of the Adriatic sea, +though long, is not dangerous. I asked him what we should do with the +Barbary powers. He said, he thought all the powers of the world ought +to unite in the suppression of such a detestable race of pirates, and +that the Emperor had lately made an insinuation to the Porte upon the +subject. I asked him if he thought France and England would agree to +such a project, observing that I had heard that some Englishmen had +said, "if there were no Algiers, England ought to build one." He said, +he could not answer for England. + +It is unnecessary to repeat any more of the conversation, which turned +upon the frugal and industrious character of the Germans, the best +cultivators in Europe, and the dishonorable traffic of some of the +German Princes in men, a subject he introduced and enlarged on +himself. I said nothing about it. Rising up to take leave, he repeated +several compliments he had made when he first came in, and added, "The +Count de Vergennes will do me the honor to dine with me one of these +days, and I hope to have that of your company. We will then speak of +an affair upon which the Count de Vergennes and you have already +conversed." + +This shows there is something in agitation, but what it is I cannot +conjecture; whether it is to induce us to make the compliment to the +two Imperial Courts to sign the definitive treaty as mediators, +whether there is any project of an association for the liberty of +navigation, or whether it is any other thing, I cannot guess at +present, but I will write you as soon as I know. Whatever it is, we +must treat it with respect, but we shall be very careful how we +engage our country in measures of consequence without being clear of +our powers, and without the instructions of Congress. + +I went out to Passy, and found from Mr Jay, that he had made his visit +there, in the course of the day, but had said nothing to Dr Franklin +or him about the dinner with the Count de Vergennes. In the course of +the day, I had visits from the Prince Bariatinski and M. de Markoff, +the two Ministers of the Empress of Russia. The porter told these +gentlemen's servants, that I was at home, but they did not come up, +but only sent up their cards. + +While I was gone to Passy, Monsieur de Blome, Envoy Extraordinary from +the King of Denmark, called and left his card. Thus the point of +etiquette seems to be settled, and we are to be treated in character +by all the Powers of Europe. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, July 5th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Your favors of the 12th and 29th of May were delivered to me on the 3d +of this month by Captain Barney. Every assistance, in my power, shall +be given to Mr Barclay. Mr Grand will write you the amount of all the +bills which have been paid in Holland, which were accepted by me. You +may banish your fears of a double payment of any one bill. I never +accepted a bill without taking down in writing a very particular +description of it, nor without examining the book, to see whether it +had been accepted before. I sent regularly, in the time of it, copies +of these acceptances to Dr Franklin, and I have now asked him to lend +them to me, that I may copy them and send them to you. The Doctor has +promised to look up my letters, and let me have them. The originals +are at the Hague, with multitudes of other papers, which I want every +day. + +Among the many disagreeable circumstances attending my duty in Europe, +it is not the least, that instead of being fixed to any one station, I +have been perpetually danced about from "post to pillar," unable to +have my books and papers with me, unable to have about me the +conveniences of a house-keeper for health, pleasure, or business, but +yet subjected in many articles to double expenses. + +Mr Livingston has not informed me of any determination of Congress +upon my letter to you of the 17th of November, which distresses me +much on Mr Thaxter's account, who certainly merits more than he has +received, or can receive, without the favor of Congress. + +I thank you, Sir, most affectionately for your kind congratulation on +the peace. Our late enemies always clamor against a peace, but this +one is better for them than they had reason to expect after so mad a +war. Our countrymen too, I suppose, are not quite satisfied. This +thing and that thing should have been otherwise, no doubt. If any man +blames us I wish him no other punishment than to have, if that were +possible, just such another peace to negotiate, exactly in our +situation. I cannot look back upon this event without the most +affecting sentiments, when I consider the number of nations concerned, +the complications of interests, extending all over the globe, the +characters of actors, the difficulties which attended every step of +the progress, how everything labored in England, France, Spain, and +Holland, that the armament at Cadiz was upon the point of sailing, +which would have rendered another campaign inevitable, that another +campaign would have probably involved France in a continental war, as +the Emperor would in that case have joined Russia against the Porte; +that the British Ministry was then in so critical a situation, that +its duration for a week or a day depended upon its making peace; that +if that Ministry had been changed, it could have been succeeded only +either by North and Company, or by the coalition; that it is certain, +that neither North and Company, nor the coalition, would have made +peace upon any terms, that either we or the other Powers would have +agreed to; and that all these difficulties were dissipated by one +decided step of the British and American Ministers. I feel too +strongly a gratitude to Heaven for having been conducted safely +through the storm, to be very solicitous whether we have the +approbation of mortals or not. + +A delay of one day might, and probably would, have changed the +Ministry in England, in which case all would have been lost. If, after +we had agreed with Mr Oswald, we had gone to Versailles to show the +result to the Count de Vergennes, you would have been this moment at +war, and God knows how or when you would have got out. What would have +been the course? The Count de Vergennes would have sprinkled us with +compliments, the holy water of a Court. He would have told us; "you +have done, gentlemen, very well for your country. You have gained a +great deal. I congratulate you upon it, but you must not sign till we +are ready; we must sign altogether here in this room." What would have +been our situation? We must have signed against this advice, as Mr +Laurens says he would have done, and as I believe Mr Jay and I should +have done, which would have been the most marked affront, that could +have been offered, or we must have waited for France and Spain, which +would have changed the Ministry in England, and lost the whole peace, +as certainly as there is a world in being. When a few frail vessels +are navigating among innumerable mountains of ice, driven by various +winds, and drawn by various currents, and a narrow crevice appears to +one, by which all may escape, if that one improves the moment and sets +the example, it will not do to stand upon ceremonies, and ask, which +shall go first, or that all may go together. + +I hope you will excuse this little excursion, and believe me to be, +with great respect and esteem, your most obedient and most humble +servant, + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 7th, 1783. + + Sir, + +We cannot as yet obtain from Mr Hartley, or his principals, an +explicit consent to any one proposition whatever. Yet England and +France, and England and Spain are probably agreed, and Holland, I +suppose, must comply. Our last resource must be to say, we are ready +to sign the Provisional Treaty, _totidem verbis_, as the Definitive +Treaty. + +I think it is plain, that the British Ministry do not intend to sign +any treaty till Parliament rises. There are such dissensions in the +Cabinet, that they apprehend a treaty laid before Parliament, if it +did not obtain advantages, of which they have no hope, would furnish +materials to overthrow them. A new administration is talked of, under +Lord Temple. The West India commerce is now the object, that interests +us the most nearly. At dinner with the Duc de la Vauguyon, on Saturday +last, he told me, that he believed the commerce between the French +West India Islands and the United States, would be confined to ships +built in France, and navigated by French seamen. + +"So then, M. le Duc," said I, laughing, "you have adopted the ideas of +the British navigation act. But suppose the United States should adopt +them too, and make a law, that no commerce should be carried on with +any West India Islands, French, English, Spanish, Dutch, or Danish, +but in ships built in America, and navigated with American seamen? We +can import sugar from Europe. But give me leave to tell you, that this +trade can never be carried on without a great number of seamen, which +the French vessels being all large require, and your navigators are +too slow. The trade itself was only profitable to us as a system, and +little vessels, with a few hands, run away at any season of the year, +from any creek or river, with a multitude of little articles, +collected in haste. Your merchants and mariners have neither the +patience to content themselves with much and long labor, and dangerous +voyages for small profits, nor have they the economy, nor can they +navigate vessels with so few hands." "Aye, but we think," said the +Duke, "if we do not try, we shall never learn to do these things as +well and as cheap as you." The Duke told me, some days before, that he +had had a great deal of conversation with the Count de Vergennes, and +he found he had a great many good ideas of commerce. The Count +himself told me a few weeks ago, "in our regulations of the commerce +between our Islands and you, we must have regard to our shipping, and +our nurseries of seamen for our marine; for," said he, smiling +politely enough, "without a marine, we cannot go to your succor." + +In short, France begins to grow, for a moment, avaricious of +navigation and seamen. But it is certain, that neither the form of +government, nor the national character, can possibly admit of great +success in it. Navigation is so dangerous a business, and requires so +much patience, and produces so little profit among nations who +understand it best, and have the best advantages for it, where +property is most secure, lawsuits soonest and cheapest ended, (and by +fixed certain laws,) that the French can never interfere much with the +Dutch, or Americans, in ship building or carrying trade. If any French +merchants ever begin to carry on this commerce, between America and +the Islands, they will break to pieces very soon, and then some new +plan must be adopted. The English, for aught I know, will make a +similar law, that the communications between us and their Islands +shall be carried on in British built ships, or ships built in Canada +or Nova Scotia, and navigated by British seamen. In this case, we must +try what we can do with the Dutch and Danes. But the French and +English will endeavor to persuade them to the same policy, for the Duc +de la Vauguyon told me, that he thought it a common tie (_lien +commun_.) In this they will not succeed, and we must make the most we +can of the Dutch friendship, for luckily, the merchants and Regency of +Amsterdam had too much wit to exclude us from their Islands by the +treaty. Happily, Congress will have a Dutch Minister, with whom they +may consult upon this matter, as well as any others, but I should +think it would not be convenient to invite an English or French +Minister to be present at the consultation. + +I am at a loss, Sir, to guess what propositions made to us Congress +have been informed of, which they had not learned from us. None have +been made to us. The Dutch Ambassadors did once propose a meeting to +us, and had it at my house. Dr Franklin came, but Mr Jay did not, and +Mr Laurens was absent. The Ambassadors desired to know, whether we had +power to enter into any engagements, provided France, Spain, and +Holland, should agree to any, in support of the armed neutrality. We +showed them the resolution of Congress, of the 5th of October, 1780, +and told them, that Mr Dana had been since vested with a particular +commission to the same effect. We never heard anything further about +it. + +Not seeing, at the time, any probability that anything would come of +this, nor intending to do anything of any consequence in it, if we +should hear further of it, without the further orders of Congress, we +did not think it necessary to write anything about it, at least, till +it should put on a more serious appearance. If the Count de Mercy's +dinner, to which we are to be invited, with the Count de Vergennes, +should produce any insinuations on this subject, (which I do not, +however, expect) we shall inform you, and request the orders of +Congress. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 9th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Since the dangerous fever I had in Amsterdam, two years ago, I have +never enjoyed my health. Through the whole of the last winter and +spring, I have suffered under weaknesses and pains, which have +scarcely permitted me to do business. The excessive heats of the last +week or two have brought on me a fever again, which exhausts me in +such a manner, as to be very discouraging, and incapacitates one for +everything. In short, nothing but a return to America will ever +restore my health, if even that should do it. + +In these circumstances, however, we have negotiations to go through, +and your despatches to answer. The liberal sentiments in England +respecting the trade are all lost for the present, and we can get no +answer to anything. It is the same thing with the Dutch. One of the +Dutch Ambassadors told me yesterday at Versailles, that now, for five +weeks, the English had never said one word to them, nor given them any +answer. These things indicate, that the Ministry do not think +themselves permanent. + +The Count de Vergennes asked Dr Franklin and me, yesterday, if we had +made our visits. We answered, that we had, and that they had been +promptly returned. "The thing in agitation," says the Count, "is for +you to determine whether your definitive treaty shall be signed under +the mediation of the two Imperial Courts, or not. Ours and the Spanish +treaty with England are to be so finished, and if you determine in +favor of it, you have only to write a letter to the Ministers of the +Imperial Courts, who are here." I told him, in the present case, I +did not know what a mediation meant. He smiled, but did not seem to +know any better than I; at least, he did not explain it. We told him +we would determine upon it soon. + +How we shall determine, I cannot say. For my own part, I see no harm +in accepting the mediation, nor any other good, than a compliment to +the two empires. In Europe it may be thought an honor to us, and, +therefore, I shall give my voice, as at present informed, in favor of +it, as it seems rather to be the inclination of the Count de Vergennes +that we should. + +Your late despatches, Sir, are not well adapted to give spirits to a +melancholy man, or to cure one sick with a fever. It is not possible +for me, at present, to enter into a long detail in answer to them. You +will be answered, I suppose, by all the gentlemen jointly. In the +meantime, I beg leave to say to you a few words upon two points. + +1st. The separate article never appeared to me of any consequence to +conceal from this Court. It was an agreement we had a right to make; +it contained no injury to France or Spain. Indeed, I know not what +France has, or ever had, to do with it. If it had been communicated to +this Court, it would probably have been communicated to Spain, and she +might have thought more about it than it was worth. But how you could +conceive it possible for us to treat at all with the English, upon +supposition, that we had communicated every, the minutest thing, to +this Court, when this Court were neither obliged, nor thought proper, +to communicate anything whatever to us, I know not. We were bound by +treaty no more than they to communicate. The instructions were found +to be absolutely impracticable. That they were too suddenly +published, is very true. + +2dly. A communication of the treaty to this Court, after it was agreed +upon, and before it was signed, would have infallibly prevented the +whole peace. In the first place, it was very doubtful, or rather, on +the contrary, it is certain, the English Minister never would have +consented that we should have communicated it. We might, it is true, +have done it without his consent or knowledge; but what would have +been the consequence? The French Minister would have said, the terms +were very good for us, but we must not sign till they signed; and this +would have been the continuance of the war for another year, at least. +It was not so much from an apprehension, that the French would have +exerted themselves to get away from us terms that were agreed on, that +they were withheld. It was then too late, and we have reasons to +apprehend, that all of this kind had been done, which could be done. +We knew they were often insinuating to the British Ministers things +against us, respecting the fisheries, tories, &c. during the +negotiation, and Mr Fitzherbert told me, that the Count de Vergennes +had "fifty times reproached him for ceding the fisheries, and said it +was ruining the English and French commerce both." It was not +suspicion, it was certain knowledge, that they were against us on the +points of the tories, fisheries, Mississippi, and the western country. + +All this knowledge, however, did not influence us to conceal the +treaty. We did not, in fact, conceal it. Dr Franklin communicated the +substance of it to the Count and M. de Rayneval. So did I. In a long +conversation with the Count and M. de Rayneval together, I told them +the substance of what was agreed upon, and what we further insisted +on, and the English then disputed. But the signing before them is the +point. This we could not have done, if we had shown the treaty, and +told them we were ready. The Count would certainly have said to us, +you must not sign till we sign. To have signed after this would have +been more disagreeable to him, and to us too. Yet we must have signed +or lost the peace. The peace depended on a day. + +Parliament had been waiting long, and once prorogued. The Minister was +so pressed, he could not have met Parliament and kept his place, +without an agreement upon terms, at least, with America. If we had not +signed, the Ministry would have been changed, and the coalition come +in, and the whole world knows the coalition would not have made peace +upon the present terms, and, consequently, not at all this year. The +iron was struck in the few critical moments when it was of a proper +heat, and has been moulded into a handsome vessel. If it had been +suffered to cool, it would have flown in pieces like glass. Our +countrymen have great reason to rejoice, that they have obtained so +good a peace, when, and as they did. With the present threatening +appearances of a northern war, which will draw in France, if our peace +was still to be made we might find cause to tremble for many great +advantages, that are now secured. I believe the Count himself, if he +were now to speak his real sentiments, would say, he is very glad we +signed when we did, and that without asking his consent. + +The Duc de la Vauguyon told me and M. Brantzen together, last +Saturday, "if you had not signed when you did, we should not have +signed when we did." If they had not signed when they did, d'Estaing +would have sailed from Cadiz, and in that case nobody would have +signed to this day. It is not possible for men to be in more +disagreeable circumstances than we were. We are none of us men of +principles or dispositions to take pleasure in going against your +sentiments, Sir, much less those of Congress. But in this case, if we +had not done it, our country would have lost advantages beyond +computation. + +On Monday, Sir, we pursued our visits, and today we finish. Yesterday +at Court all the foreign Ministers behaved to us without reserve, as +members of the _Corps Diplomatique_, so that we shall no longer see +those lowering countenances, solemn looks, distant bows, and other +peculiarities, which have been sometimes diverting, and sometimes +provoking, for so many years. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +In the present violent heat of the weather, and feverish state of my +health, I cannot pretend to sit long at my pen, and must pray you to +accept of a few short hints only. + +To talk in a general style of confidence in the French Court, &c. is +to use a general language, which may mean almost anything, or almost +nothing. To a certain degree, and as far as the treaties and +engagements extend, I have as much confidence in the French Court as +Congress has, or even as you, Sir, appear to have. But if, by +confidence in the French Court is meant an opinion, that the French +Office of Foreign Affairs would be advocates with the English for our +rights to the fisheries, or to the Mississippi river, or our Western +Territory, or advocates to persuade the British Ministers to give up +the cause of the refugees, and make Parliamentary provision for them, +I own I have no such confidence, and never had. Seeing and hearing +what I have seen and heard, I must have been an idiot to have +entertained such confidence, I should be more of a Machiavelian, or a +Jesuit, than I ever was, or will be, to counterfeit it to you, or to +Congress. + +M. Marbois' letter is to me full proof of the principles of the Count +de Vergennes. Why? Because I know, (for it was personally communicated +to me upon my passage home, by M. Marbois himself,) the intimacy and +confidence there is between these two. And I know further, that letter +contains sentiments concerning the fisheries, diametrically opposite +to those, which Marbois repeatedly expressed to me upon the passage, +viz. "That the Newfoundland fishery was our right, and we ought to +maintain it." From whence I conclude, M. Marbois' sentiments have been +changed by the instructions of the Minister. To what purpose is it +where this letter came from? Is it less genuine, whether it came from +Philadelphia, Versailles, or London? What if it came through English +hands? Is there less weight, less evidence in it for that? Are the +sentiments more just, or more friendly to us for that? + +M. de Rayneval's correspondence too with Mr Jay. M. de Rayneval is a +_Chef de Bureau_. But we must be very ignorant of all Courts not to +know that an Under Secretary of State dares not carry on such a +correspondence without the knowledge, consent, and orders of the +principal. + +There is another point now in agitation, in which the French will +never give us one good word. On the contrary, they will say everything +they can think of to persuade the English to deprive us of the trade +of their West India Islands. They have already, with their emissaries, +been the chief cause of the change of sentiment in London on this head +against us. In general they see with pain every appearance of +returning real and cordial friendship, such as may be permanent +between us and Great Britain. On the contrary, they see with pleasure +every seed of contention between us. The tories are an excellent +engine of mischief between us, and are, therefore, very precious. + +Exclusion from the West India Islands will be another. I hold it to be +the indispensable duty of my station, not to conceal from Congress +these truths. Do not let us be dupes, under the idea of being +grateful. Innumerable anecdotes happen daily to show, that these +sentiments are general. In conversation, a few weeks ago, with the Duc +de la Vauguyon, upon the subject of the West India trade, I endeavored +to convince him, that France and England both ought to admit us freely +to their islands. He entered into a long argument to prove, that both +ought to exclude us. At last, I said, the English were a parcel of +sots to exclude us, for the consequence would be, that in fifteen or +twenty years we should have another war with them. _Tant mieux! tant +mieux! je vous en felicite_," cried the Duke, with great pleasure. +"_Tant mieux pour nous_," said I, because we shall conquer from the +English in that case all their islands, the inhabitants of which would +now declare for us, if they dared. But it will not be the better for +the English. They will be the dupes, if they lay a foundation for it. +"Yes," said the Duke, "I believe you will have another war with the +English." And in this wish he expressed the vows of every Frenchman +upon the face of the earth. If, therefore, we have it in contemplation +to avoid a future war with the English, do not let us have too much +confidence in the French, that they will favor us in this view.[6] + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[6] See a letter from Dr Franklin, containing remarks on Mr Adams's +opinions of the policy and designs of the French Court, dated July the +22d, 1783. _Franklin's Correspondence_, Vol. IV. p. 138. Also a letter +from Mr Laurens, Vol. II. p. 486. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, July 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon the receipt of the despatches by Barney, I sent off your letters +for Messrs Willinks & Co. and I received last night an answer to the +letter I wrote them upon the occasion. They have engaged to remit Mr +Grand a million and a half of livres in a month, which has relieved Mr +Grand from his anxiety. + +This Court has refused to Dr Franklin any more money. They are +apprehensive of being obliged to take a part in the northern war, and +their own financiers have not enough of the confidence of the public +to obtain money for their own purposes. + +Your design of sending cargoes of tobacco and other things to +Amsterdam, to Messrs Willinks & Co. is the best possible to support +our credit there. The more you send, the more money will be obtained. +Send a Minister too; residing there, he may promote it much. It is a +misfortune, that I have not been able to be there, but this post +cannot be deserted. Instruct your Minister to inquire whether the +House of Hope could be persuaded to engage with Willinks in a new +loan. This should be done with secrecy and discretion. If that House +would undertake it, you would find money enough for your purpose, for +I rely upon it, the States will adopt a plan immediately for the +effectual payment of interest. This is indispensable. The foundation +of a happy government can only be laid in justice; and as soon as the +public shall see, that provision is made for this, you will no longer +want money. + +It is a maxim among merchants and monied men, that "every man has +credit who does not want it." It is equally true of States. We shall +want it but little longer, if the States make provision for the +payment of interest, and therefore we shall have enough of it. There +is not a country in the world whose credit ought to be so good, +because there is none equally able to pay. + +Enclosed is a pamphlet of Dr Price's, for your comfort. You will see +by it, that the only nation we have reason to fear wants credit so +much, that she is not likely to have it always, and this is our +security. By some hints from Mr Hartley, he will probably return to +London, and not be here again. The present Ministry is so undecided +and feeble, that it is at least doubtful whether they will make the +definitive treaty of peace. + +With great respect, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Paris, July 11th, 1783. + + Sir, + +In my letter to you of yesterday, I hinted in confidence, at an +application to the house of Hope. This is a very delicate measure. I +was induced to think of it merely by a conversation which M. Van +Berckel, (who will soon be with you, as he sailed the 26th of June +from the Texel,) had with M. Dumas. It would be better to be steady to +the three Houses already employed, if that is possible. You will now +be able to converse freely with that Minister upon the subject. I +should not advise you to take any decisive resolution at Philadelphia, +but leave it to your Minister to act as shall appear to him best upon +the spot. The Houses now employed are well esteemed, and I hope will +do very well. But no House in the Republic has the force of that of +Hope. + +All depends, however, upon the measures to be taken by Congress and +the States for ascertaining their debts, and a regular discharge of +the interest. The ability of the people to make such an establishment +cannot be doubted; and the inclination of no man who has a proper +sense of public honor can be called in question. The Thirteen States, +in relation to the discharge of the debts of Congress, must consider +themselves as one body animated by one soul. The stability of our +confederation at home, our reputation abroad, our power of defence, +the confidence and affection of the people of one State towards those +of another, all depend upon it. Without a sacred regard to public +justice no society can exist; it is the only tie which can unite men's +minds and hearts in pursuit of the common interest. + +The commerce of the world is now open to us, and our exports and +imports are of so large amount, and our connexions will be so large +and extensive, that the least stain upon our character in this respect +will lose us in a very short time advantages of greater pecuniary +value than all our debt amounts to. The moral character of our people +is of infinitely greater worth than all the sums in question. Every +hesitation, every uncertainty about paying or receiving a just debt, +diminishes that sense of moral obligation of public justice, which +ought to be kept pure, and carefully cultivated in every American +mind. Creditors at home and abroad, the army, the navy, every man who +has a well founded claim upon the public, have an unalienable right to +be satisfied, and this by the fundamental principles of society. Can +there ever be content and satisfaction? Can there ever be peace and +order? Can there ever be industry or decency without it? To talk of a +sponge to wipe out this debt, or of reducing or diminishing it below +its real value, in a country so abundantly able to pay the last +farthing, would betray a total ignorance of the first principles of +national duty and interest. + +Let us leave these odious speculations to countries that can plead a +necessity for them, and where corruption has arrived at its last +stages; where infamy is scarcely felt, and wrong may as well assume +one shape as another, since it must prevail in some. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 11th, 1783. + + Sir, + +As there are certain particulars, in which it has appeared to me, that +the friendship of a French Minister has been problematical, at least, +or rather, not to exist at all, I have freely mentioned them to +Congress; because I hold it to be the first duty of a public Minister, +in my situation, to conceal no important truth of this kind from his +masters. + +But ingratitude is an odious vice, and ought to be held in detestation +by every American citizen. We ought to distinguish, therefore, between +those points, for which we are not obliged to our allies, from those +in which we are. + +I think, then, we are under no particular obligations of gratitude to +them for the fisheries, the boundaries, exemption from the tories, or +for the progress of our negotiations in Europe. + +We are under obligations of gratitude, for making the treaty with us +when they did; for those sums of money, which they have generously +given us, and for those, even, which they have lent us, which I hope +we shall punctually pay, and be thankful still for the loan; for the +fleet and army they sent to America, and for all the important +services they did. By other mutual exertions, a dangerous rival to +them, and I may be almost warranted in saying, an imperious master, +both to them and us, has been brought to reason, and put out of the +power to do harm to either. In this respect, however, our allies are +more secure than we. The House of Bourbon has acquired a great +accession of strength, while their hereditary enemy has been weakened +one half, and incurably crippled. + +The French are, besides, a good natured and humane nation, very +respectable in arts, letters, arms, and commerce, and, therefore, +motives of interest, honor, and convenience, join themselves to those +of friendship and gratitude, to induce us to wish for the continuance +of their friendship and alliance. The Provinces of Canada and Nova +Scotia in the hands of the English are a constant warning to us to +have a care of ourselves, and, therefore, a continuance of the +friendship and alliance of France is of importance to our +tranquillity, and even to our safety. There is nothing, which will +have a greater effect to overawe the English, and induce them to +respect us and our rights, than the reputation of a good understanding +with the French. My voice and advice will, therefore, always be for +discharging, with the utmost fidelity, gratitude, and exactness, every +obligation we are under to France, and for cultivating her friendship +and alliance by all sorts of good offices. But I am sure, that to do +this effectually, we must reason with them at times, enter into +particulars, and be sure that we understand one another. We must act a +manly, honest, independent, as well as a sensible part. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 12th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Reports have been spread, that the Regency of Algiers has been +employed in fitting out ships to cruise for American vessels. There +are reports too, that Spain has an armament prepared to attack their +town. How much truth there may be in either, I cannot pretend to say. + +Whether Congress will take any measures for treating with these +piratical States, must be submitted to them. The custom of these +Courts, as well as those of Asia and Africa, is to receive presents +with Ambassadors. The Grand Pensionary of Holland told me, that the +Republic paid annually to the Regency of Algiers a hundred thousand +dollars. I hope a less sum would serve for us; but in the present +state of our finances, it would be difficult to make any payment. Mr +Montgomery, of Alicant, has ventured to write a letter to the Emperor +of Morocco, in consequence of which, his Majesty was pleased to give +orders to all his vessels to treat American vessels with all +friendship. Mr Montgomery ventured too far, however, in writing in the +name of the United States, and what will be the consequences of the +deception I know not. + +Dr Franklin lately mentioned to Mr Jay and me, that he was employed in +preparing, with the Portuguese Ambassador, a treaty between the United +States and Portugal. The next Ambassador's day at Versailles, I asked +him if we could be admitted to the Brazils? He said, no, they admitted +no nation to the Brazils. I asked, if we were admitted to the Western +Islands? He said he thought Madeira was mentioned. I told him, I +thought it would be of much importance to us to secure an admission to +all the Azores, and to have these Islands, or some of them, made a +depot for the sugars, coffee, cotton, and cocoa, &c. of the Brazils. +He liked this idea, and went immediately, and spoke to the Ambassador +upon it. He said, the Ambassador had told him, that they could furnish +us with these articles at Lisbon, fifteen per cent cheaper than the +English could from their West India Islands. + +This treaty, I suppose, will be submitted to Congress before it is +signed, and I hope Congress will give a close attention to it, in +order to procure an exemption from as many duties as possible, and as +much freedom and security of trade in all their ports of Europe and +the Western Islands as possible. If any particular stipulations should +be necessary, concerning the free admission of all the articles of our +produce, as rice, wheat, flour, salt-fish, or any other, the members +of Congress may readily suggest them. + +I could wish that the Court of Lisbon had sent a Minister to +Philadelphia to negotiate a treaty there. I wish that advantages may +not be lost by this method of preparing treaties here, by Ministers +who have made no particular study of the objects of them.[7] Benefits +on both sides may escape attention in this way. A good treaty with +Portugal is of so much consequence to us, that I should not wonder if +Congress should think it necessary to send a Minister to Lisbon to +complete it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[7] See the draft of a Treaty with Portugal, in _Franklin's +Correspondence_, Vol. IV. p. 150. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday Colonel Ogden arrived with the originals of what we had +before received in duplicates by Captain Barney. The ratification of +the Dutch treaty had been before received and exchanged. The +ratification of their High Mightinesses is in the safe custody of M. +Dumas, at present at the Hague. + +I believe we shall accept of the mediation of the two Imperial Courts +at the definitive treaty, as it is a mere formality, a mere +compliment, consisting wholly in the Imperial Ministers putting their +names and seals to the parchment, and can have no ill effect. The +inclination of the Count de Vergennes seems to be, that we should +accept it, and as he calls upon us to decide in the affirmative or +negative, I believe we shall give an answer in the affirmative. + +The Empress has promised to receive Mr Dana, as soon as the definitive +treaty shall be signed, and he has prepared a treaty of commerce, +which will be valuable if he can obtain it. + +The Emperor of Germany has caused to be intimated several ways, his +inclination to have a treaty of commerce with us; but his rank is so +high, that his House never makes the first formal advance. I should +think it advisable, that we should have a treaty with that power for +several reasons. + +1st. Because, as Emperor of Germany, and King of Bohemia and Hungary, +he is at the head of one of the greatest interests and most powerful +connexions in Europe. It is true it is the greatest weight in the +scale, which is, and has been, from age to age, opposite to the House +of Bourbon. But for this very reason, if there were no other, the +United States ought to have a treaty of commerce with it, in order to +be in practice with their theory, and to show to all the world, that +their system of commerce embraces, equally and impartially, all the +commercial States and countries of Europe. + +2dly. Because the present Emperor is one of the greatest men of this +age. The wisdom and virtue of the man, as well as of the monarch; his +personal activity, intelligence, and accomplishments; his large and +liberal principles in matters of religion, government, and commerce, +are so much of kin to those of our States, (perhaps indeed so much +borrowed from them, and adopted in imitation of them,) that it seems +peculiarly proper we should show this respect to them. + +3dly. Because, that if England should ever forget herself again so +much as to attack us, she may not be so likely to obtain the alliance +or assistance of this Power against us. A friendship once established +in a treaty of commerce, this power would never be likely to violate, +because she has no dominions near us, and could have no interest to +quarrel with us. + +4thly. Because the countries belonging to this power upon the Adriatic +sea, and in the Austrian Flanders, are no inconsiderable sources of +commerce for America. And if the present negotiations between the two +Imperial Courts and the Porte shall terminate in a free navigation of +the Danube, the Black sea, and the Archipelago, the Emperor's +hereditary dominions will become very respectable commercial +countries. + +5thly. Because, although we have at present a pleasant and joyful +prospect of friendship and uninterrupted alliance with the House of +Bourbon, which I wish may never be obscured, yet this friendship and +alliance will be the more likely to continue unimpaired, for our +having the friendship and commerce of the House of Austria. And (as in +the vicissitudes of human affairs all things are possible) if in +future times, however unlikely at present, the House of Bourbon +should deal unjustly by us, demand of us things we are not bound to +perform, or any way injure us we may find in the alliance, of Austria, +England, and Holland a resource against the storm. Supernumerary +strings to our bow, and provisions against possible inconveniences, +however improbable, can do us no harm. + +If we were not straitened for money, I should advise Congress to send +a Minister to Vienna. But as every Mission abroad is a costly article, +and we find it difficult, at present, to procure money for the most +necessary purposes, I should think it proper for Congress to send a +commission to their Minister at Versailles, London, Madrid, +Petersburg, or the Hague, who might communicate it to the Court of +Vienna, by means of the Imperial Ambassador. The Emperor in such a +case would authorize his Ambassador at that Court to prepare and +conclude a treaty, and in this way the business may be well done, +without any additional expense. + +M. Favi, _Charge d'Affaires_ of the Grand Duke of Tuscany, the +Emperor's brother, has called upon me so often to converse with me +upon this subject, that I doubt not he has been employed, or at least +knows that it would be agreeable to his Court and their connexions, +although he has never made any official insinuations about it. This +gentleman has been employed by the Republic of Ragusa to consult +American Ministers upon the subject of commerce too. I have told him, +that the American ports were open to the Ragusan Vessels, as well as +to all others, and have given him the address, by which they propose +to write to Congress. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +A jealousy of American ships, seamen, carrying-trade, and naval power, +appears every day more and more conspicuous. This jealousy, which has +been all along discovered by the French Minister, is at length +communicated to the English. The following proclamation, which will +not increase British ships and seamen in any proportion as it will +diminish those of the United States, will contribute effectually to +make America afraid of England, and attach herself more closely to +France. The English are the dupes, and must take the consequences. + +This proclamation is issued in full confidence, that the United States +have no confidence in one another; that they cannot agree to act in a +body as one nation; that they cannot agree upon any navigation act, +which may be common to the Thirteen States. Our proper remedy would be +to confine our exports to American ships, to make a law, that no +article should be exported from any of the States in British ships, +nor in the ships of any nation, which will not allow us reciprocally +to import their productions in our ships. I am much afraid there is +too good an understanding upon this subject between Versailles and St +James's. + +Perhaps it may be proper for Congress to be silent upon this head +until New York, Penobscot, &c. are evacuated. But I should think, that +Congress would never bind themselves by any treaty built upon such +principles. They should negotiate, however, without loss of time, by a +Minister in London. A few weeks' delay may have unalterable effects. + + PROCLAMATION + + _At the Court of St James, the 2d of July, 1783._ + + Present, the King's Most Excellent Majesty in Council. + + "Whereas, by an Act of Parliament, passed this session, + entitled an 'Act for preventing certain instruments from + being required from ships belonging to the United States of + America, and to give his Majesty, for a limited time, certain + powers for the better carrying on trade and commerce, between + the subjects of his Majesty's dominions, and the inhabitants + of the said United States;' it is amongst other things + enacted, that, during the continuance of the said act, 'it + shall and may be lawful for his Majesty in Council, by order + or orders to be issued and published from time to time, to + give such directions, and to make such regulations, with + respect to duties, drawbacks, or otherwise, for carrying on + the trade and commerce between the people and territories + belonging to the Crown of Great Britain, and the people and + territories of the said United States, as to his Majesty in + Council shall appear most expedient and salutary, any law, + usage, or custom to the contrary notwithstanding;' his + Majesty doth, therefore, by and with the advice of his Privy + Council, hereby order and direct, that pitch, tar, + turpentine, hemp and flax, masts, yards, and bowsprits, + staves, heading, boards, timber, shingles, and all other + species of lumber, horses, neat cattle, sheep, hogs, poultry, + and all other species of live stock, and live provisions; + peas, beans, potatoes, wheat, flour, bread, biscuit, rice, + oats, barley, and all other species of grain, being the + growth, or production of any one of the United States of + America, may, until further order, be imported by British + subjects, in British built ships, owned by his Majesty's + subjects, and navigated according to law, from any port of + the United States of America, to any of his Majesty's West + India Islands; and that rum, sugar, molasses, coffee, + cocoa-nuts, ginger, and pimento, may, until further order, be + exported by British subjects, in British built ships, owned + by his Majesty's subjects, and navigated according to law, + from any of his Majesty's West India Islands, and to any port + or place within the said United States, upon payment of the + same duties on exportation, and subject to the like rules, + regulations, securities, and restrictions, as the same + articles by law are, or may be, subject and liable to, if + exported to any British colony or plantation in America. And + the Right Honorable the Lords Commissioners of his Majesty's + Treasury, and the Lords Commissioners of the Admiralty, are + to give the necessary directions herein, as to them may + respectively appertain. + + STEPHEN COTTRELL." + +One of the most remarkable things in this proclamation is, the +omission of salt-fish, an article, which the islands want as much as +any that is enumerated. This is, no doubt, to encourage their own +fishery, and that of Nova Scotia, as well as a blow aimed at ours. +There was, in a former proclamation concerning the trade between the +United States and Great Britain, an omission of the articles of +_potash_ and _pearlash_. These omissions discover a _choice love_ for +New England. France, I am afraid, will exclude fish too, and imitate +this proclamation but too closely; if, indeed, this proclamation is +not an imitation of their system adopted, as I believe it is, upon +their advice and desire. + +These, however, are important efforts. Without saying, writing, or +resolving anything suddenly, let us see what remedies or equivalents +we can obtain from Holland, Portugal and Denmark. Let us bind +ourselves to nothing, but reserve a right of making navigation acts +when we please, if we find them necessary or useful. If we had been +defeated of our fisheries, we should have been wormed out of all our +carrying-trade too, and should have been a mere society of +cultivators, without any but a passive trade. The policy of France has +succeeded, and laid, in these proclamations, if persisted in, the sure +source of another war between us and Great Britain. + +The English nation is not, however, unanimous in this new system, as +Congress will see by the enclosed speculations,[8] which I know to +have been written by a confidential friend of my Lord Shelburne; I +mean Mr Benjamin Vaughan. This Minister is very strong in the House of +Lords, and Mr Pitt, in the House of Commons, has attached to him many +members in the course of this session. If that set should come in +again, we shall have a chance of making an equitable treaty of +commerce. To this end a Minister must be ready; and I hope in mercy to +our country, that such an opportunity will not be lost in delays, in +compliance to our allies. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[8] This paper is missing. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON + + Paris. July 14th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The United States of America have propagated far and wide in Europe +the ideas of the liberty of navigation and commerce. The powers of +Europe, however, cannot agree, as yet, in adopting them in their full +extent. Each one desires to maintain the exclusive dominion of some +particular sea, or river, and yet to enjoy the liberty of navigating +all others. Great Britain wishes to preserve the exclusive dominion of +the British seas, and, at the same time, to obtain of the Dutch a free +navigation of all the seas in the East Indies. France has contended +for the free use of the British and American seas; yet she wishes to +maintain the Turks in their exclusive dominion of the Black sea, and +of the Danube, which flows into it through some of their Provinces, +and of the communication between the Black Sea and the Archipelago, by +the Dardanelles. Russia aims at the free navigation of the Black Sea, +the Danube, and the passage by the Dardanelles, yet she contends, that +the nations, which border on the Baltic, have a right to control the +navigation of it. Denmark claims the command of the passage of the +Sound, and by the late Marine Treaty between the neutral powers, it +was agreed, that the privateers of all the belligerent powers should +be excluded from the Baltic. France and Spain too begin to talk of an +exclusive dominion of the Mediterranean, and of excluding the Russian +fleet from it; or, at least, France is said to have menaced Russia +with a fleet of observation in the Mediterranean, to protect her +commerce to the trading seaport towns of the Levant. But, as England +possesses Gibraltar, and the Emperor of Morocco the other side of the +Straits, France and Spain cannot command the entrance; so that it will +be difficult for them to support their pretensions to any exclusive +dominion of the Mediterranean, upon the principle on which the +northern powers claim that of the Baltic, and the Porte the passage of +the Dardanelles. + +France, at present, enjoys a large share of the trade to the Levant. +England has enjoyed a share too, and wishes, no doubt, to revive it. +The Emperor and the Empress, if they succeed in their views of +throwing open the Danube, Black Sea, and Archipelago, will take away +from France and England a great part of this trade; but it is not +likely that England will join with France in any opposition to the +Emperor and Empress. + +In order to judge of the object, which the two Empires have in view, +we should look a little into the geography of those countries. + +The project of setting at liberty the whole country of ancient Greece, +Macedonia, and Illyricum, and erecting independent Republics in those +famous seats, however splendid it may appear in speculation, is not +likely to be seriously entertained by the two Empires, because it is +impracticable. The Greeks of this day, although they are said to have +imagination and ingenuity, are corrupted in their morals to such a +degree, as to be a faithless, perfidious race, destitute of courage, +as well as of those principles of honor and virtue, without which +nations can have no confidence in one another, nor be trusted by +others. + +The project of conquering the Provinces of Albania, Romelia, +Wallachia, Moldavia, and Little Tartary, from the Turks, and dividing +them between the two Empires, may be more probable; but the Turks, in +Asia and Europe together, are very powerful, and, if thoroughly +awakened, might make a great resistance; so that it is most probable, +the two Imperial Courts would be content, if they could obtain by +negotiation, or by arms, the free navigation of the Danube, Black Sea, +and Archipelago. This freedom alone would produce a great revolution +in the commerce of Europe. The river Don or Tanais, with its branches, +flows through the Ukraine, and a considerable part of the Russian +dominions, into the Black Sea. The Danube flows very near Trieste, +through the Kingdom of Hungary, and then through a Turkish Province +into the Black Sea. If, therefore, the Black Sea and the Danube only +were free, a communication would be immediately opened between Russia +and Hungary quite to Trieste, to the great advantage of both Empires. +But if, at the same time, the passage of the Dardanelles was laid +open, all the Levant trade would be opened to the two Empires, and +might be carried to Trieste, either by the Danube, or through the +Archipelago and the Gulf of Venice. This would be such an accession of +wealth, commerce, and naval power to the two Empires, as France is +jealous of, and may be drawn into a war to prevent. + +It is a question how the King of Prussia will act. It is the general +opinion, that, as he is advanced in years, loves and enjoys his +laurels and his ease, and cannot hope to gain anything by the war, he +will be neuter. If he is, the issue cannot be foreseen. The Emperor is +vastly powerful, and his preparations are immense. Perhaps France may +not think it prudent to declare war. I should be sorry to see her +again involved in a war, especially against the principles she has +lately espoused with so much glory and advantage. + +For my own part, I think nature wiser than all the Courts and States +in the world, and, therefore, I wish all her seas and rivers upon the +whole globe free, and am not at all surprised at the desire of the two +Empires to set those near them at liberty. + +I think, however, that whatever turn these negotiations may take, they +cannot directly affect us, although we may be remotely interested in +the freedom of the Levant trade, and of the seas and rivers in the +neighborhood of it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 15th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Enclosed are copies of papers, which have passed between Mr Hartley +and the American Ministers. We have not thought it prudent to enter +into any written controversy with him, upon any of these papers. We +have received whatever he has offered us. But he has offered nothing +in the name of his Court, has signed nothing, and upon inquiry of him +we have found that he has never had authority to sign officially any +proposition he has made. + +I think it is evident, that his principals, the coalition, do not +intend to make any agreement with us about trade, but to try +experiments by their proclamations. I think, too, that they mean to +postpone the definitive treaty as long as possible. We can get no +answer, and I believe Mr Hartley gets no decisive answers to anything. + +Enclosed also is a pamphlet, entitled, "Observations on the American +States," said to have been published by Lord Sheffield, and to have +been composed by four American renegadoes. The spirit of it needs no +comments. It deserves to be attended to, however, by Congress. It is a +fatal policy, as it appears to me, to see a British Ambassador at +Versailles, and a French Ambassador at St James's, and no American +Minister at the latter. This is admired at Versailles, I doubt not, +but not because they think it for our interest. + +I have the honor to be, with great respect, Sir, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 16th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday we waited on the Count de Vergennes at Versailles, and +showed him the project of a letter to the Ministers of the two +Imperial Courts, which he read and approved. We told him, that we were +at a loss what might be the effect of the mediation; possibly we might +be involved in difficulties by it; possibly the British Ministers +might persuade the mediators to offer us their advice upon some +points, respecting the royalists for example, which we could not +comply with. The Count said, that he had told them, that as soon as he +had fully agreed with England upon all points, their mediation should +be accepted, and they should sign the treaty as such; and we might +agree to it in the same manner. He said we were not obliged to this, +but as they were to be present and sign one treaty, it would look +better to sign both. It would be a very notorious, public, and +respectable acknowledgment of us, as a power, by those Courts. Upon +this footing we left the letter with him to be shown to the Imperial +Ministers. + +We asked the Count if he had seen the British proclamation of the 2d +of July. He answered, that he had. I asked him if the King had +determined anything on the subject of salt provisions, and salt-fish, +whether we might import them into his islands. He said we might depend +upon it, they could not supply their islands with fish, that we had +two free ports in their islands, St Lucia, and a port in Martinique. +By the thirtysecond article of the Treaty of Commerce, these free +ports are secured to us; nothing, he said, was determined concerning +salt beef and pork, but the greatest difficulty would be about flour. +I told the Count, that I did not think it would be possible either for +France or England to carry on this commerce between the islands and +continent; it was profitable to us only as it was a part of a system; +that it could not be carried on without loss in large vessels, +navigated by many seamen, which could sail only at certain seasons of +the year, &c. Upon the whole, I was much pleased with this +conversation, and conclude from it, that we shall do very well in the +French West India Islands, perhaps the better in them the worse we are +treated by the English. + +The Dutch and Danes will, I doubt not, avail themselves of every +error, that may be committed by France or England. It is good to have +a variety of strings to our bow; and, therefore, I wish we had a +Treaty of Commerce with Denmark, by which a free admission of our +ships into their ports in the West Indies might be established. By +means of the Dutch, Danes, and Portuguese, I think we shall be able to +obtain finally proper terms of France and England. + +The British proclamation of the 2d of this month, is the result of +refugee politics; it is intended to encourage Canada and Nova Scotia, +and their fisheries, to support still the ruins of their navigation +act, and to take from us the carriage even of our own productions. A +system, which has in it so little respect for us, and is so obviously +calculated to give a blow to our nurseries of ships and seamen, could +never have been adopted but from the opinion, that we had no common +legislature for the government of commerce. + +All America from the Chesapeake Bay to St Croix I know love ships and +sailors, and those ports to the southward of that bay have advantages +for obtaining them when they will, and therefore I hope the Thirteen +States will unite in some measures to counteract this policy of +Britain, so evidently selfish, unsocial, and I had almost said +hostile. The question is, what is to be done? I answer, perhaps it +will be most prudent to say little about it at present, and until the +definitive treaty is signed, and the States evacuated. But after that, +I think in the negotiation of a treaty of commerce with Great Britain, +Congress should tell them, that they have the means of doing justice +to themselves. What are these means? I answer, let every State in the +Union lay on a duty of five per cent on all West India articles +imported in British ships, and upon all their own productions exported +in British ships. Let this impost be limited in duration, until Great +Britain shall allow our vessels to trade to their West Indies. This +would effectually defeat their plan, and encourage our own carrying +trade more than they can discourage it. + +Another way of influencing England to a reasonable conduct, is to +take some measures for encouraging the growth in the United States, +of West India articles; another is to encourage manufactures, +especially of wool and iron among ourselves. As tilt-hammers are now +not unlawful, and wool may be water-borne, much more may be done now +than could have been done before the war. But the most certain method +is, to lay duties on exports and imports by British ships. The sense +of a common interest and common danger, it is to be hoped, will induce +a perfect unanimity among the States in this respect. There are other +ways of serving ourselves, and making impressions upon the English to +bring them to reason. One is to send ships immediately to China. This +trade is as open to us as to any nation, and if our natural advantages +at home are envied us, we should compensate ourselves in any honest +way we can. + +Our natural share in the West India trade, is all that is now wanting +to complete the plan of happiness and prosperity of our country. +Deprived of it, we shall be straitened and shackled in some degree. We +cannot enjoy a free use of all our limits without this; with it, I see +nothing to desire, nothing to vex or chagrin our people, nothing to +interrupt our repose or keep up a dread of war. + +I know not what permission may be expected from Spain to trade to the +Havana, but should think that this resource ought not to be neglected. + +I confess I do not like the complexion of British politics. They are +mysterious and unintelligible. Mr Hartley appears not to be in the +secret of his Court. The things which happen appear as unexpected to +him as to us. Political jealousies and speculations are endless. It is +possible the British Ministers may be secretly employed, in fomenting +the quarrel between the two Imperial Courts and the Porte, and in +secretly stirring up the French to join the Turks in the war. The +prospect of seeing France engaged in a war may embolden them to adopt +a system less favorable to us. The possibility of these things should +stimulate us, I think, to form as soon as possible treaties of +commerce with the principal powers, especially the Imperial Courts, +that all our questions may be decided. This will be a great advantage +to us, even if we should afterwards be involved in a war. I put this +supposition with great reluctance. But if England should in the course +of a few years or months have the art to stir up a general war in +Europe, and get France and Spain seriously involved in it, which is at +least a possible case, she may assume a tone and conduct towards us, +which will make it very difficult for us to avoid taking a part in it. +If such a deplorable circumstance should take place, it will be still +a great advantage to us, to have our sovereignty explicitly +acknowledged by these powers, against whom we may be unfortunately +obliged to act. At present they are all disposed to it, and seem +desirous of forming connexions with us, that we may be out of the +question. + +The politics of Europe are such a labyrinth of profound mysteries, +that the more one sees of them, the more causes of uncertainty and +anxiety he discovers. + +The United States will have occasion to brace up their confederation, +and act as one body with one spirit. If they do not, it is now very +obvious, that Great Britain will take advantage of it in such a manner +as will endanger our peace, our safety, and even our very existence. + +A change of Ministry may, but it is not certain that it will, give us +better prospects. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 17th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Last evening Mr Hartley spent two hours with me, and appeared much +chagrined at the proclamation, which had never been communicated to +him by his principals. He has too much contempt of the commercial +abilities of the French, and, consequently said, that the French could +derive but little benefit from this step of his Court, but he thought +the Dutch would make a great advantage of it. I endeavored to discover +from him, whether he suspected that his Court had any hand in stirring +up the two Imperial Courts to make war upon the Turks. I asked him +what was the state of their Mediterranean trade, and Levant trade. He +said, it was dead, and that their Turkey Company was dead, and, +therefore, he did not think his Court cared much about either, or +would ever do anything to prevent the Empires. He thought it possible, +that they might rather encourage them. + +I am quite of Mr Hartley's mind, that the Dutch will profit by all the +English blunders in regulating the West India trade, and am happy that +M. Van Berckel will be soon with Congress, when its members and +Ministers may communicate through him anything they wish to their High +Mightinesses. They may inquire of him what are the rights of the East +and West India Companies? To what an extent our vessels may be +admitted to Surinam, Curacoa, Demerara, Essequibo, Berbice, St +Eustatia? What we may be allowed to carry there? and what bring from +thence to the United States, or to Europe? Whether we may carry +sugars, &c. to Amsterdam, Rotterdam, &c.? There are at Rotterdam and +Amsterdam one hundred and twentyseven or eight refineries of sugar. +How far these may be affected, &c.? + +I lay it down for a rule, that the nation which shall allow us the +most perfect liberty to trade with her Colonies, whether it be France, +England, Spain, or Holland, will see her Colonies flourish above all +others, and will draw proportionally our trade to themselves; and I +rely upon it, the Dutch will have sagacity to see it, and as they are +more attentive to mercantile profit, than to a military marine, I have +great hopes from their friendship. As there will be an interval before +the signature of the definitive treaty, I propose a journey of three +weeks, to Amsterdam and the Hague, in hopes of learning in more detail +the intentions of the Dutch in this respect. I am in hopes too of +encouraging the loan to assist our Superintendent of Finance. The +Dutch may be a great resource to us in finance and commerce. I wish +that cargoes of produce may be hastened to Amsterdam to Messrs +Willinks & Co. for this will give vigor to the loan, and all the money +we can prevent England and the two Empires from obtaining in Holland, +will not only be nerves for us, but, perhaps, be useful too to France +in her negotiations. + +I have spent the whole forenoon in conversation with the Duc de la +Vauguyon. He thinks that England wishes to revive her trade to the +Levant, to Smyrna, Aleppo, &c. and her carrying trade in Italy; and +although she might be pleased to see France involved in a war with the +Emperor and Empress, yet he thinks her funds are not in a condition to +afford subsidies to either, and, therefore, that she will be perfectly +neutral. Quere, however, whether if by a subsidy or a loan of a +million or two a year, she could make France spend eight or ten +millions, she would not strive hard to do it? The Duke thinks, that +France will proceed softly, and endeavor, if possible, to avert the +furious storm that threatens, and to compose the disputes of the three +Empires, if possible; but she will never suffer such a usurpation as +the conquest of the Turkish Provinces in Europe. France will certainly +defend Constantinople. He thinks that the Empress of Russia has not +revenues, and cannot get cash to march and subsist vast armies, and to +transport great fleets, and that the Emperor has not revenues to +support a long war. + +This is, however, a serious business, and France lays it so much to +heart, and looks upon the chance of her being obliged to arm, as so +probable, that I presume this to be the principal motive of her +refusal to lend us two or three millions of livres more. + +As to our West India questions, the Duke assures me, that the French +Ministry, particularly the Count de Vergennes, are determined to do +everything they can consistent with their own essential interests, to +favor and promote the friendship and commerce between their country +and ours. That they, especially the Count, are declared enemies of the +French fiscal system, which is certainly the most ruinous to their +commerce, and intend to do everything they can to make alterations to +favor commerce; but no change can be made in this, without affecting +their revenues, and making voids, failures, and deficiencies, which +they cannot fill up. They must, therefore, proceed softly. That France +would favor the commerce between Portugal and America, because it +would tend to draw off that kingdom from her dependence on England. +That England, by her commercial treaty with the Portuguese, in 1703, +has turned them into an English Colony, made them entirely dependent, +and secured a commerce with them of three millions value. France would +be glad to see this, or as much of it as possible, turned to America. + +The Duke agrees fully with me in the maxim, that those Colonies will +grow the most in wealth, improvement, population, and every sort of +prosperity, which are allowed the freest communication with us, and +that we shall be allowed to carry lumber, fish, and live stock, to +their islands, but that the export of their sugars to us, he thinks, +must be in their own ships, because they are afraid of our becoming +the carriers of all their commerce, because they know and say, that we +can do it cheaper than they can. These sentiments are different from +those, which he mentioned to me a few days ago, when he said, the West +India trade with us must be carried on in French bottoms. + +The Duke said, the English had been trying to deceive us, but were now +developing their true sentiments. They pretended, for awhile, to +abolish the navigation act and all distinctions, to make one people +with us again, to be friends, brothers, &c. in hopes of drawing us off +from France, but not finding success, they were now showing their true +plan. As to the pretended system of Shelburne, of a universal free +commerce, although he thought it would be for the good of mankind in +general, yet, for an English Minister, it was the plan of a madman, +for it would be the ruin of that nation. He did not think Shelburne +was sincere in it; he only meant an illusion to us. Here I differ from +the Duke, and believe, that the late Ministry were very sincere +towards us, and would have made a treaty with us, at least to revive +the universal trade between us, upon a liberal plan. This doctrine of +ruin, from that plan, to the English, has been so much preached of +late in England by the French and the American refugees, who aim at +establishments in Canada and Nova Scotia, and by the old Butean +administration and their partisans, that I do not know whether any +Ministry could now support a generous plan. But if Temple, Thurlow, +Shelburne, Pitt, &c. should come in, I should not despair of it. It is +true, the Shelburne administration did encourage the ideas of cordial, +perfect friendship, of entire reconciliation of affections, of making +no distinction between their people and ours, especially between the +inhabitants of Canada and Nova Scotia and us, and this, with the +professed purpose of destroying all seeds of war between us. These +sentiments were freely uttered by Fitzherbert, Oswald, Whiteford, +Vaughan, and all who had the confidence of that Ministry; and in these +sentiments they were, I believe, very sincere. And they are, indeed, +the only means of preventing a future war between us and them, and so +sure as they depart from that plan, so sure, in less than fifteen +years, perhaps less than seven, there will break out another war. +Quarrels will arise among fishermen, between inhabitants of Canada and +Nova Scotia and us, and between their people and ours in the West +Indies, in our ports, and in the ports of the three kingdoms, which +will breed a war in spite of all we can do to prevent it. France sees +this and rejoices in it, and I know not whether we ought to be sorry; +yet I think we ought to make it a maxim to avoid all wars, if +possible; and to take care that it is not our fault if we cannot. We +ought to do everything, which the English will concur in, to remove +all causes of jealousies, and kill all the seeds of hostility as +effectually as we can; and to be upon our guard to prevent the French, +Spaniards, and Dutch, from sowing the seeds of war between us, for we +may rely upon it they will do it if they can. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, July 18th, 1783. + + Sir, + +There is cause to be solicitous about the state of things in England. +The present Ministry swerve more and more from the true system, for +the prosperity of their country and ours. Mr Hartley, whose sentiments +are at bottom just, is probably kept here, if he was not sent at +first, merely to amuse us, and to keep him out of the way of +embarrassing the coalition. We need not fear, that France and England +will make a common cause against us, even in relation to the +carrying-trade to and from the West Indies. Although they may mutually +inspire into each other false notions of their interests at times, yet +there can never be a concert of operations between them. Mutual enmity +is bred in the blood and bones of both, and rivals and enemies at +heart they eternally will be. + +In order to induce both to allow us our natural right to the +carrying-trade, we must negotiate with the Dutch, Danes, Portuguese, +and even with the Empires; for the more friends and resources we have, +the more we shall be respected by the French and English; and the more +freedom of trade we enjoy with the Dutch possessions in America, the +more will France and England find themselves necessitated to allow us. + +The present Ministers in England have very bad advisers; the refugees, +and emissaries of various other sorts, and we have nobody to watch +and counteract, to correct or prevent anything. + +The United States will soon see the necessity of uniting in measures +to counteract their enemies, and even their friends. What powers +Congress should have for governing the trade of the whole, for making +or recommending prohibitions, or imposts, deserves the serious +consideration of every man in America. If a constitutional legislative +authority cannot be given them, a sense of common danger and necessity +should give to their recommendations all the force upon the minds of +the people, which they had six years ago. + +If the union of the States is not preserved, and even their unity, in +many great points, instead of being the happiest people under the sun, +I do not know but we may be the most miserable. We shall find our +foreign affairs the most difficult to manage of any of our interests; +we shall see and feel them disturbed by invisible agents, and causes, +by secret intrigues, by dark and mysterious insinuations, by concealed +corruptions of a thousand sorts. Hypocrisy and simulation will assume +a million of shapes; we shall feel the evil, without being able to +prove the cause. Those, whose penetration reaches the true source of +the evil, will be called suspicious, envious, disappointed, ambitious. +In short, if there is not an authority sufficiently decisive to draw +together the minds, affections, and forces of the States, in their +common foreign concerns, it appears to me we shall be the sport of +transatlantic politicians of all denominations, who hate liberty in +every shape, and every man who loves it, and every country that enjoys +it. If there is no common authority, nor any common sense to secure a +revenue for the discharge of our engagements abroad for money, what +is to become of our honor, our justice, our faith, our universal, +moral, political, and commercial character? If there is no common +power to fulfil engagements with our citizens, to pay our soldiers, +and other creditors, can we have any moral character at home? Our +country will become the region of everlasting discontents, reproaches, +and animosities, and instead of finding our independence a blessing, +we shall soon become Cappadocians enough to wish it done away. + +I may be thought gloomy, but this ought not to discourage me from +laying before Congress my apprehensions. The dependence of those who +have designs upon us, upon our want of affection to each other, and of +authority over one another, is so great, that in my opinion, if the +United States do not soon show to the world a proof, that they can +command a common revenue to satisfy their creditors at home and +abroad, that they can act as one people, as one nation, as one man, in +their transactions with foreign nations, we shall be soon so far +despised, that it will be but a few years, perhaps but a few months +only, before we are involved in another war. + +What can I say in Holland, if a doubt is started, whether we can repay +the money we wish to borrow? I must assure them in a tone, that will +exclude all doubt that the money will be repaid. Am I to be hereafter +reproached with deceiving the money-lenders? I cannot believe there is +a man in America, who would not disdain the supposition, and therefore +I shall not scruple to give the strongest assurances in my power. But +if there is a doubt in Congress, they ought to recall their borrowers +of money. + +I shall set off tomorrow for Holland, in hopes of improving my health, +at the same time that I shall endeavor to assist the loan, and to +turn the speculations of the Dutch merchants, capitalists and +statesmen, towards America. It is of vast importance that the Dutch +should form just ideas of their interests respecting the communication +between us and their islands, and other colonies in America. I beg +that no time may be lost in commencing conferences with M. Van Berckel +upon this subject, as well as that of money; but this should not be +communicated to the French nor the English, because we may depend upon +it, both will endeavor to persuade the Dutch to adopt the same plan +with themselves. There are jealousies on both sides the Pass of +Calais, of our connexions and negotiations with the Dutch. But while +we avoid as much as we can to inflame this jealousy, we must have +sense and firmness and independence enough not to be intimidated by +it, from availing ourselves of advantages, that Providence has placed +in our power. There ever have been, and ever will be, suspicions of +every honest, active, and intelligent American, and there will be as +there have been insidious attempts to destroy or lessen your +confidence in every such character. But if our country does not +support her own interests, and her own servants, she will assuredly +fall. Persons, who study to preserve or obtain the confidence of +America, by the favor of European statesmen, or Courts, must betray +their own country to preserve their places. + +For my own part, I wish Mr Jay and myself almost anywhere else but +here. There is scarce any other place where we might not do some good. +Here we are in a state of annihilation. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 23d, 1783. + + Sir, + +On Saturday last I left Paris, and arrived here last night. This +morning I sent M. Dumas to M. Van Berckel and M. Gyselaer, to inform +them of my arrival, and to desire a conversation with them, upon the +subject of the commerce between the United States and the Dutch +establishments in the West Indies. + +M. Van Berckel told M. Dumas, "that St Eustatia and Curacoa were open +to the vessels of all nations, and to the commerce of all the world; +but that it was not the interest of the West India Company alone, but +that of the whole State, that obliged them to confine the commerce of +their sugars to themselves, because of the great number of their +refineries of sugar. That all their own sugars were not half enough to +employ their sugar-houses, and that at least one half of the sugars +refined in Holland were the production of the French West India +Islands." + +I suppose that some of these sugars may have been carried first to St +Eustatia, and brought from thence to Holland, and some others may have +been purchased in the ports of France, and imported raw from thence. I +do not know that Dutch vessels were permitted to purchase sugars in +the French Islands, and export them from thence. This matter deserves +to be examined to the bottom. If France has not sugar-houses for the +refinement of her own sugars, but is obliged to carry them, or to +permit their being carried, to Amsterdam and Rotterdam for +manufacture, why should she not be willing, that the same sugars +should be carried by Americans to Boston, New York, and Philadelphia? +Surely France has no predilection for Holland rather than America. But +what is of more weight, all the sugars, which America takes, will be +paid for in articles more advantageous to the Islands, and to France, +than the pay that is made by the Dutch. If any sugars refined in +Holland are afterwards sold in France, surely it would be more for the +interest of France, or rather less against her interests, to have the +same sugars refined in America, and afterwards sold in France, because +the price of them would be laid out by us in France. There is this +difference between us and the Dutch, and all other nations, we spend +in Europe all the profits we make and more, the others do not. But if +the French sugars, refined in Holland, are afterwards sold in other +parts of Europe, it would be just as well that we should sell them. We +have sugar-houses as well as the Dutch, and ours ought not to be more +obnoxious to French policy or commerce than theirs. + +Sugars are a great article. There is a great consumption in America. +It is not the interest of any nation, that has sugars to sell, to +lessen the consumption there. All such nations should favor that +consumption, in order to multiply purchasers, and quicken the +competition, by which the price is raised. None of these nations then +will wish to prevent our having sugar, provided we offer as high, or a +higher price. How they will be able to arrange their plans, so that we +may have enough for our own consumption, without having more, without +having some for exportation, I do not know. + +We have now St Eustatia and Curacoa, St Lucia and Martinique, St +Thomas and St Martin's, no less than six free ports in the West +Indies; and perhaps England may be induced, necessitated indeed, to +add two more to the number, and make eight. At these free ports, it +will be hard if we cannot find sugars, when we carry thither all our +own productions, in our own ships. And if the worst should happen, and +all the nations, who have sugar Islands, should forbid sugars to be +carried to America in any other than their own bottoms, we might +depend upon having enough of this article at the free ports, to be +brought away in our own ships, if we should lay a prohibition or a +duty upon it in foreign ships. To do either, the States must be +united, which the English think cannot be. Perhaps the French think so +too, and in time, they may persuade the Dutch to be of the same +opinion. It is to be hoped we shall disappoint them all. In a point so +just and reasonable, when we are contending only for an equal chance +for the carriage of our own productions, and the articles of our own +consumption, when we are willing to allow to all other nations even a +free competition with us in this carriage, if we cannot unite, it will +discover an imperfection and weakness in our constitution, which will +deserve a serious consideration. + +M. Visscher, Pensionary of Amsterdam, who came in to visit me, when I +had written thus far, showed me a list of the Directors of the West +India Company, and refers me to M. Bicker, of Amsterdam, as one of the +most intelligent of them. He says, that the Colonists of Surinam, +Berbice, Essequibo, and Demarara, have been in decay, and obliged to +borrow money of the merchants at home, and have entered into contracts +with those merchants, to send them annually all the productions of +their plantations to pay the interest and principal of their debts; +that this will make it difficult to open the trade. + +Soon after M. Visscher went out, M. Van Berckel came in. I entered +into a like conversation with him, and told him that I thought the +decay of their plantations in the West Indies had been owing to the +rivalry of other nations, especially the English, whose Islands had +greater advantages from a freer communication with North America; and +I thought it might be laid down as a rule, that those Islands would +flourish most in population, culture, commerce, and wealth, which had +the freest intercourse with us, and that this intercourse would be a +natural means of attracting the American commerce to the metropolis. +He thought so too. + +I then mentioned to him the loan; and asked him, if he thought that +the States-General, the States of Holland, or the Regency of +Amsterdam, would be likely, in any way, to aid us? He said, no; that +the country was still so much divided, that he could not depend upon +any assistance in that way. That the Council of Amsterdam was well +enough disposed; but that the Burgomasters were not so. That M. +Temmink, M. Huggens, and M. Rendorp, were not to be depended on in +such an affair. That, therefore, our only resource was, to endeavor to +gain upon the public opinion and the spirit of the nation, and that, +in this respect, he would do me all the service in his power. He +thought that the present uncertainty about the definitive treaty, and +the fate of the Republic, would be an obstacle; but the definitive +treaty once signed, he thought our loan would succeed very well. I +asked him, whether he thought that the junction of three houses in my +loan was any obstruction to it? and whether any one of them, or +whether any other house, would do better? I told him what his brother, +(now I hope in Philadelphia,) had said to M. Dumas, viz. that the +house of Wilkem and Van Willink alone would succeed sooner than the +three. I asked him, whether he thought the house of Hope, either +alone, or in conjunction with that of the Willinks, or any other, +would undertake it? He said, this might well be, and that if they saw +their interest in it they would, for those mercantile houses had no +other object in view. He promised me to make inquiry into this matter, +and let me know the result. + +Upon this occasion, I must inform Congress, that it is absolutely +necessary they should send another Minister to this Republic, without +loss of time; because our three present houses, before they would +undertake the loan, extorted a promise from me, not to open another +with any other house until the five millions should be full. This +engagement I took for myself alone, however, and expressly premised +that Congress should not be bound by it; that Congress should be +perfectly free, and that any other Minister they might send here +should be perfectly free to open another loan, when and with whom they +pleased. A new Minister, therefore, may open a loan when he will, with +Hope, Willink, or whom he will, and I am persuaded it would succeed to +a good amount. + +I made visits to day, the 25th of July, to the Grand Pensionary, the +Secretary Fagel, the President of the week, and M. Gyselaer; and +returned visits to M. Van Berckel and M. Visscher. M. Gyselaer says, +that at present there is no ready money (_argent comptant_) in the +Republic, but in two months there will be, and the loan will go very +well. + +At noon I went to the house in the Grove, to make my court to the +Prince and Princess of Orange. + +The Prince either happened to be in a social humor, or has had some +political speculations lately, for he thought fit to be uncommonly +gracious and agreeable. He made me sit, and sat down by me, and +entered into familiar conversation about the negotiations of peace. He +asked many questions about it, and the probability of a speedy +conclusion of the definitive treaty. At length, he asked me, if Dr +Franklin was left alone? I answered, that Mr Jay was with him. He +asked, if I returned before the signature? I answered, that such was +my intention. He asked, whether Dr Franklin was an Ambassador? I +answered, that he was a Minister Plenipotentiary only. He asked, if +none of us were Ambassadors? I answered, that we all had the same rank +of Ministers Plenipotentiary, and that Congress had never yet made an +Ambassador. He said, he was astonished at that; that he had a long +time expected to hear, that we had displayed the character of +Ambassadors. I asked his Highness, what reason he had for this, and +what advantage there was in it? "Why," said he, "I expected that your +Republic would early assert her right to appoint Ambassadors. +Republics have been generally fond of appointing Ambassadors, in order +to be on a footing with crowned heads. Our Republic began very early. +We had eight Ambassadors at the peace of Munster; one for each +Province, and one supernumerary. And we always choose to appoint +Ambassadors, for the sake of being upon an equality with crowned +heads. There are only crowned heads, Republics, and the Electors of +the Empire, who have a right to send Ambassadors; all others can only +send Envoys, and Ministers Plenipotentiary. Princes cannot send +Ambassadors. I cannot, as Stadtholder, nor as Prince, nor in any other +quality, send a Minister of any higher order, than an Envoy, or +Minister Plenipotentiary." He asked me, what was the reason the +Congress had not made use of their right? I answered his Highness, +that really I did not know. It was a subject I had never much +reflected on; perhaps Congress had not. Or they might think it a +matter of ceremony and of show, rather than substance; or might think +the expense greater than the advantage. He said, it was very true, the +dignity of the rank must be supported, but he thought the advantage +worth more than the expense. + +I am utterly at a loss for his Highness' motives for entering so +minutely into this subject. Whether M. Van Berckel, before his +departure, had mentioned it; whether he thought he should please me by +it; whether he thought to please Congress by it; whether he affected +to interest himself in the honor of the United States; or whether any +of the politicians of this, or any other country, have put him upon +it, or whether it is mere accident, I know not. They are the words of +a Prince, and I have reported them very exactly. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 25th, 1783. + + Sir, + +It is the general opinion here both among the members of the States, +and at the _Hotel de France_, that the delays of the definitive +pacification are contrived by the Court of London, in order to set all +their instruments at work in this Republic, to induce it to renew its +ancient connexions with Great Britain, particularly their alliance, +offensive and defensive, by which each power was bound to furnish the +other, if attacked, a certain number of ships and troops. Against this +the patriotic party is decided, and they are now very well satisfied +with the Grand Pensionary, Bleiswick, because he openly and roundly +takes their side, and the Court is said to be discontented with him +for the same reason. There is, no doubt, an intelligence and +correspondence between the two Courts of London and the Hague, to +bring about this point. The Grand Pensionary told me yesterday, that +the Court of London desired it, and there were persons here who +desired it, and he knew very well who they were; but that most +certainly they would not carry their point. Van Berckel, Visscher, and +Gyselaer, all assured me of the same, and added, that the fear of this +had determined them not to send a Minister to London, but to go +through with the negotiation at Paris, although they were all highly +dissatisfied with the conduct of France, and particularly with that of +the Count de Vergennes. + +They all say, he has betrayed and deserted them, played them a very +bad trick, (_tour_) and violated his repeated promises to them. They +do not in the least spare M. Berenger and M. Merchant, who conduct the +French affairs here in the absence of the Duc de la Vauguyon, but hold +this language openly and freely to them. These gentlemen have +sometimes found it hard to bear, and have winced, and sometimes even +threatened; but their answer has been more mortifying still; "Do as +you please, drive the Republic back into the arms of England, if you +will. Suppress all the friends of France, if you choose it." And some +of them have said, "we will go to America." They all say, that France +had the power to have saved them. That the acquisition of Tobago was +no equivalent to France for the loss of the Republic, &c. &c. &c. They +are all highly pleased with the conduct of their own Ambassador, +Brantzen, with his activity, intelligence, and fidelity. They all say, +that they would send a Minister to London to negotiate there, if they +were sure of being able to carry an election for a man they could +depend upon. But the Court here would have so much influence in the +choice, that they would run a risk of sending a man, who would +insensibly lead them into a revival of the old ties with England, +which, they say, is enslaving the Republic to that kingdom. + +I learn here from all quarters, a confirmation of what I had learned +before at Paris from M. Brantzen and the Duc de la Vauguyon, viz. that +the Duke of Manchester had given them no answer, nor said a word to +them for six weeks, in answer to the propositions they had made; among +which was an offer of an equivalent for Negapatnam. They offered some +establishments in Sumatra and Surat. Lately the Duke of Manchester has +received a courier, and has given an answer, that a real equivalent +might be accepted. No answer is given to any other point, and this is +vague; so that another courier must go to London and return. +Parliament is now up, and perhaps the Ministers may now be more +attentive, and less timorous. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I find, upon inquiry, that there are in this Republic, at Amsterdam, +Rotterdam, and Dort, near one hundred and thirty sugar-houses. The +whole of the raw sugars produced in Surinam, Berbice, Essequibo, and +Demarara, are wrought in these houses; and, besides, raw sugars were +purchased in Bordeaux and Nantes, after being imported from the French +islands, in French bottoms. Raw sugars were also purchased in London, +which went under the general name of Barbadoes sugars, although they +were the growth of all the English Islands, and imported to London in +British bottoms. I have learnt further, that great quantities of raw +Brazil sugars were purchased in Lisbon, and that these were cheaper +than any of the others. All these raw sugars were imported into +Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and Dort, and there manufactured for +exportation. We must endeavor to obtain a share in this trade, +especially with Lisbon, or the Western Islands. + +Since it is certain, that neither Portugal, France, nor England has +been able to manufacture all their raw sugars, but each of them sold +considerable quantities to the Dutch, I suppose that we may +undoubtedly purchase such sugars in future in Lisbon, Bordeaux, +Nantes, London, and perhaps Ireland, and carry them where we please, +either home to America, or to Amsterdam, or to any part of Europe, and +there sell them, and in this way promote our own carrying-trade, as +well as enable ourselves to make remittances. I cannot see why the +English, or French, should be averse to their sugars going to America +directly; and if they insist upon carrying them in their own ships, +we may still have enough of them. The Dutch have the most pressing +commercial motives to bring home their West India produce; yet they +would really gain the most by opening a free communication with us, +because they would the most suddenly make their colonies flourish by +it. + +Molasses and rum we shall have, probably, from all the islands, +English, French, and Dutch, in our own bottoms, unless the three +nations should agree together to keep the whole trade of their islands +in their own ships, which is not likely. + +I have made all the inquiries I could, and have sown all the seeds I +could, in order to give a spur to our loan. Three thousand obligations +have been sold, and the other two thousand are signed; but at this +time there is a greater scarcity of money than ever was known. The +scarcity is so great, that the agio of the bank, which is commonly at +four or five per cent, fell to one and a half. The Directors, at +length, shut up the bank, and it continues shut. The English omnium, +which at first was sold for eight or ten per cent profit, fell to one +and a half. The scarcity of money will continue until the arrival of +the Spanish flotilla at Cadiz. Seven eighths of the treasures of that +flotilla will come here, and make money plenty. Then we may expect, +that my obligations will sell. + +In the meantime, I have great pleasure in assuring you, that there is +not one foreign loan open in this Republic, which is in so good +credit, or goes so quick as mine. The Empress of Russia opened a loan +of five millions, about the same time that I opened mine. She is far +from having obtained three millions of it. Spain opened a loan with +the House of Hope, at the same time, for two millions only, and you +may depend upon it, it is very far from being full. Not one quarter +part of the loan of France upon life-rents, advantageous as it is to +the lender, is full. In short, there is not one power in Europe, whose +credit is so good here as ours. Russia and Spain, too, allow of +facilities to undertakers and others, in disposing of their +obligations, much more considerable than ours; yet all does not +succeed. You will see persons and letters in America, that will +affirm, that the Spanish loan is full, and that France and Spain can +have what money they please here. Believe me, this is all stockjobbing +gasconade. I have made very particular inquiries, and find the +foregoing account to be the truth. Of all the sons of men, I believe +the stockjobbers are the greatest liars. I know it has been given out, +that the Spanish loan, which was opened at Hope's, was full the first +day. This I know has been affirmed in the hearing of Americans, with a +confidence peculiar, and with a design, I suppose, that it should be +written or reported to Congress. But I am now assured, that it is so +far from being true, that it is not near full to this hour. Let me beg +of you, Sir, to give Mr Morris an extract of this, because I am so +pressed for time, that I cannot write to him. + +Upon further inquiry concerning sugars, I find, that the Dutch were +used to purchase annually considerable quantities of the raw sugars of +Spain, as well as of France, England and Portugal. Some of these they +obtained by a clandestine trade between Curacoa and Havana, and St +Domingo; but the greater part were purchased at Cadiz. + +I suppose our merchants and musters of vessels will be as adroit at +inventing and executing projects of illicit trade, as others. But +this is a resource, that Congress and the States cannot depend on, nor +take into their calculations. Illicit trade will ever bear but a small +proportion to that which is permitted. And our governments should take +their measures for obtaining by legal and honorable means from Spain, +Portugal, France, England, Holland, and Denmark, all the productions +which our people may want for consumption, for manufacture, and for +exportation. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT MORRIS. + + Amsterdam, July 28th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Upon inquiry of those who best know, I see no probability of success +from any application to authority in this country, for reasons which I +have explained to our Minister of Foreign Affairs. Our only resource +is in the public opinion, and the favor of the nation. + +I know of nothing which would operate so favorably upon the public, as +the arrival of a few vessels with cargoes of American produce, +addressed to your bankers, and appropriated to the payment of +interest. The report of such an event would greatly augment our +credit, by spreading the opinion of our ability and disposition to +pay. + +It would be presumption in me, at this distance, to undertake to +advise you, who are upon the spot, and much better informed. But I beg +leave to suggest the question, whether an application of Congress to +the States would not succeed? Suppose Congress should represent to the +States the necessity of an exertion, in order to obtain a loan at +present, to enable you to satisfy the most urgent demands of the army, +and other public creditors, until the States can agree upon some +permanent establishment, and should recommend to each State to furnish +a cargo of its produce, in proportion to its rate upon the list. For +example, South Carolina and Georgia a quantity of rice or indigo; +Virginia and Maryland, of tobacco; Pennsylvania, of wheat or flour; +and the Northern States, of fish or any other thing. Suppose these +cargoes, which need not be expensive for the Thirteen States, should +be sent to Amsterdam or anywhere else in Europe, the proceeds of sale +to be remitted to Amsterdam to your bankers. The reputation of this, +if well planned, adopted, and executed, would give a strong impulsion +to your loan, if adopted here. + +I am but just arrived, and have not yet seen our bankers. Saturday and +Sunday are usually spent at country seats. But before I leave this +place, I shall be able to inform you more precisely, whether you may +depend on anything from hence. No pains of mine shall be spared. The +British stocks are so low that we may hope for something. If a +Minister is sent to London, you should give him a commission to borrow +money. If he conducts the matter with secrecy and caution, he may +probably obtain a considerable sum there. There are monied men in that +country who wish us well. There are others who may easily be inspired +with more faith in our funds, than they can rationally have in their +own. If upon advising with proper persons, he should not judge it +prudent to open a loan there, he might easily put things in a train +for some individuals to purchase obligations in your loan in +Amsterdam. So dismal are the prospects in England, that many men are +on the wing to fly, and some would be willing to transfer their +property across the Atlantic. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 30th, 1783. + + Sir, + +I have been the more particular in my letters to you concerning that +extensive manufacture and commerce of refined sugars in this country, +because the proximity of all the sugar colonies to us renders a share +in it naturally useful and convenient, both to us and them. Fifty +thousand hogsheads of raw sugar are annually wrought in this Republic, +and exported at a great profit to Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Russia, +Poland, and Italy. At Amsterdam I visited a number of respectable +merchants, in order to discover their sentiments concerning the +communication between us and their Islands and sugar colonies. They +all agree, that St Eustatia and Curacoa are and will be commercial +Islands, open and free to all our vessels. St Martin's is divided +between the French and Danes and the Dutch, whose share of it does not +flourish. The colonies upon the continent, Surinam, Berbice, Demarara, +and Essequibo, are at a greater distance from us. But they will be +open to our vessels and their cargoes, because they all agree, that +those colonies cannot subsist without our horses, lumber and +provisions, nor without the sale to us of their molasses. We shall be +allowed to take in return molasses, with which some quantities of +sugar, coffee, and other produce are always smuggled, as they say. But +although nothing has been as yet determined, it is the general +opinion, that the produce of the colonies must be brought home in +Dutch ships, as heretofore, molasses excepted. + +From the Secretary of the West India Company I have obtained a few +minutes, in so bad French, that I almost despair of rendering them +intelligible. I have attempted it, however, in the following +translation, viz. + + "In the grant of the West India Company, renewed, or more + properly newly erected, in the year 1700, continued in 1730, + prolonged afterwards in the year 1760 for two years, and in + the year 1762, from the first of January to the thirtyfirst + of December, 1791, are found the limits fixed, only for the + inhabitants of these Seven United Provinces, under the name + of the United Company of these Provinces, upon the coasts and + country of Africa, computing from the Tropic of Cancer to the + southern latitude of the Equinoctial Line, with all the + Islands in this district, situated upon the said coast, and + particularly the Islands of St Thomas, Annebon, Islands of + Principia and Fernando Po, as also the places of Essequibo + and Baumenora, situated upon the Continental Coasts of + America, as also the Islands of Curacoa, Amaba and Buen Aire. + All the other limits of the ancient grant being open for the + commerce of all the inhabitants of the Republic, without + exception, upon condition, however, that if the Company, + oriental and occidental, should judge proper to navigate to + the Islands situated between the coasts of Africa and + America, beginning at the Ascension and further south, or any + of them, and should occupy it before any other should have a + private grant, with exclusion of all others for so long time + as it shall occupy its places, and in case they should + desist, these places should return under the second class, + open for the navigation of every individual of the Republic, + paying an acknowledgment, &c. That the said particulars, + trading in the said districts, shall be obliged to + acknowledge the Western Company, and to pay them for the + right of convoy, and consequently in form of acknowledgment, + viz. for the productions and merchandises for the West + Indies, two per cent, and returning from thence into these + Provinces, two per cent more for the commodities in return. + And further, the ships navigating to places farther distant + in America, contained in the ancient grant, both in going and + returning, should pay five florins per last, or more or less + as their High Mightinesses shall judge proper to determine + hereafter; observing, nevertheless, that these five florins + per last shall not be demanded of ships navigating to the + Caribee Islands, which shall pay the ordinary duty for convoy + to the Colleges of the Admiralty from which they sail, and + the said private navigators shall be held, moreover, for the + satisfaction of the Western Company, to give sufficient + caution, that they will not navigate, nor cause to be + navigated, the places contained in the first class, ceded to + the Company with exclusion of all others. And if any one is + found to act contrary, and to navigate to any place situated + in the prescribed limits, and granted to the Company, his + ship and cargo shall be confiscated and attacked in force, by + the ships belonging to the said Company; and if such ships + and merchandises or commodities, shall be sold or entered + into any other country or foreign port, the owner and his + accomplice shall be liable to execution, for the value of the + said ships and merchandises or commodities. + + "The Company has also the right to require an acknowledgment + of all those who shall navigate, import or export any + merchandise to or from places belonging to the said Company, + notwithstanding they may be subject, and may belong to the + domination of other Kings or Princes, situated within the + limits stipulated in the grant; and especially of every + foreign vessel, bringing any commodities or merchandises from + the West Indies, or the limits stipulated in the grants into + the Provinces, whether upon its own account, or freight, or + on commission, whether such foreign vessel shall come + directly from the West Indies; and the limits of the grant, + into the Provinces, or whether she shall have carried her + cargo to other countries or kingdoms, for what reason soever + this may be done. Excepting only in case the merchandises of + the proprietor should by negotiation be changed in nature, + and that the duty of this country fixed to the place should + be paid, which any one alleging shall be obliged to prove + sufficiently, according to the amount of the merchandises. + Declaring, moreover, for the further elucidation of the said + grant, that under the name of the New Low Countries, in + consequence of the three per cent, which the Company has a + right to require for the merchandises sent there, or brought + from thence, is understood that part of North America, which + extends itself west and south of the northern part of + Newfoundland as far as the Cape of Florida, and for what + regards the payment of the two per cent under the name of the + West Indies, to be computed from the Cape of Florida, to the + river Oronoco, and the Islands of Curacoa. For what concerns + the other places of America, contained in the most ancient + and precedent grant, in regard to the five florins per last, + upon the vessels there navigating, shall be understood all + the Carribee Islands, Cuba, Jamaica, Hispaniola and Porto + Rico, as also all the other coasts and countries, computing + from the river Oronoco aforesaid, by the straits of Magellan, + Le Maire, or other passages or straits, situated under these, + as far as the strait of Aryan, both upon the sea of the + north, and the Islands situated upon the other side, and + between them, as also the southern countries, situated + between the two meridians, touching at the east the Cape of + Good Hope, and in the west the eastern part of New Guinea, + inclusively." + +If this paper is not very clear to Congress, it is not more so to me, +and perhaps to the Dutch themselves. There is a dispute likely to +arise between the West India Company and the College of the Admiralty +about it, which will be explained further as it proceeds, by whatever +Minister you may send here. + +Upon the whole matter of our communications with the European +establishments in the West Indies; we shall carry freely our +commodities to the French and Dutch, excepting, perhaps, flour to the +French, which however will be carried, I suppose, to St Lucia and Port +Royal, as well as St Eustatia and Curacoa, St Thomas's and St +Martin's, and there sold to any nation that will purchase it. Molasses +and rum we shall bring away freely from the French and Dutch. And if +we can obtain of them the liberty of carrying sugars, coffee, &c. from +their possessions in the West Indies to their ports in Europe, giving +bonds with surety to land them in such ports, it will be as much as we +can expect. If they will allow raw sugars, coffee, cotton, &c. to be +sent freely to the United States in their own vessels, this would be +an advantage for us, though not so considerable as to bring them in +ours. What the English will do is uncertain. We are not to take the +late proclamation for a law of the Medes. The Ministry who made it +are not firm in their seats. If Shelburne comes in we shall do better; +and, to be prepared to take advantage of so probable an event, you +should have a Minister ready. We have one infallible resource, if we +can unite in laying a duty or a prohibition. But this measure must not +be hastily taken, because by negotiation, I apprehend, the point may +be carried in England. To this end it may be proper to instruct your +Minister, and authorise him to say, that the States will find +themselves obliged, against their inclination, to lay a prohibition or +heavy duty upon all West India goods imported, and all American +productions exported in British bottoms, if the trade is not regulated +by treaty upon an equitable footing. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, July 31st, 1783. + + Sir, + +The last evening at Court in the house in the Grove, where all the +foreign Ministers supped, the Count Montagnini de Mirabel, the +Minister Plenipotentiary from the King of Sardinia, took an +opportunity to enter largely into conversation with me. As he and I +were at a party of politics, while the greatest part of the company +were at cards, for two or three hours, we ran over all the world, but +nothing occurred worth repeating except what follows. + +The Count said, that his advice to Congress would be to write a +circular letter to every power in Europe, as soon as the definitive +treaty should be signed, and transmit with it a printed copy of the +treaty. In the letter, Congress should announce, that on the 4th of +July, 1776, the United States had declared themselves a sovereign +State, under the style and title of the United States of America; that +France, on the 6th of February, 1778, had acknowledged them; that the +States-General had done the same on the 19th of April, 1782; that +Great Britain, on the 30th of November, 1782, had signed with them a +treaty of peace, in which she had fully acknowledged their +sovereignty; that Sweden had entered into a treaty with them, on the +5th of February, 1783; and that Great Britain had concluded the +definitive treaty under the mediation of the two Empires, if that +should be the fact, &c. Such a notification to all the other powers +would be a regular procedure, a piece of politeness, which would be +very well received, and the letter would be respectfully answered by +every power in the world, and these written answers would be explicit, +and undeniable acknowledgments of our sovereignty. + +It might have been proper to make this communication in form, +immediately after the declaration of independence; it might have been +more proper to do it after the signature of the provisional treaty; +but that it was expected it would be done after the definitive treaty. +That these circular letters might be transmitted to your Ministers for +peace, or such of them as may remain, or to any of your Ministers in +Europe, to be by them delivered to the Ministers at the Court where +they are, or transmitted any other way. That Congress must be very +exact in the etiquette of titles, as this was indispensable, and the +letters could not be answered nor received without it. That we might +have these titles at the Count de Vergennes' office with precision, +&c. + +The Count then proceeded to commerce, and said, that all the cabinets +of Europe had lately turned their views to commerce, so that we should +be attended to and respected by all of them. He thought we should find +our account in a large trade in Italy, every part of which had a +constant demand for our tobacco, and salt-fish, at least. The +dominions of the King, his master, could furnish us in exchange, +oranges, citrons, olives, oil, raisins, figs, anchovies, coral, lead, +sulphur, alum, salt, marble of the finest quality and gayest colors, +manufactures of silk, especially silk stockings twenty per cent +cheaper than France, hemp, and cordage. He said, we might have great +advantages in Italy in another respect. We had it in our power to +become the principal carriers for the people of Italy, who have little +skill or inclination for navigation or commerce. The (_cabotage_) +carrying-trade of Italy had been carried on by the English, French, +and Dutch; the English had now lost it, the French had some of it, but +the Dutch the most, who made an immense profit of it; for to his +knowledge they sold in the Baltic, and even in Holland, many Italian +productions, at a profit of five or six for one. That we should have +the advantage of them all. By bringing our tobacco and fish to Italy, +we might unload at some of their ports, take in cargoes upon freight +for other ports of Italy, and thus make coasting voyages, until we had +made up our cargoes for return, or we might take in cargoes on freight +for Germany, or the Baltic. The Dutch, he said, would be the greatest +losers by this rivalry, but as long as the Italians and Americans +would be honestly gainers, neither need be anxious for that. That +there was a very good port in his master's dominions, which was +perfectly free, where we might go in and out at pleasure, without +being subject to duties, searches, or visits. + +We then made a transition to Turkey; the Count could not, for his +part, blame the Emperor for wishing to open the navigation of the +Danube; his kingdom of Hungary was one of the finest countries in the +world; it was one of the most fertile, producing in great abundance +wines of various sorts, all excellent, though Tokay was the best; +grains of every sort in great quantities, metals of all sorts, gold, +silver, copper, iron, quicksilver; yet all these blessings of nature +were rendered in a manner useless by the slavery of the Danube. The +Emperor was very unfortunate, in having the Danube enslaved on one +side, and the Scheldt on the other; and in this age, when the liberty +of navigation and commerce was the universal cry, he did not wonder at +his impatience under it. He did not think, that England would meddle +in the dispute, as her trade to the Levant had declined. The Dutch had +some still, but France had now the greatest part of it to Smyrna, +Alexandria, Aleppo, in short, to all the trading towns of Turkey in +Asia, for this is what is understood by the Levant trade. France, he +thought, could not venture to engage in the war in earnest, in the +present state of her finances. + +I have learnt, since I came here, that France is desirous that this +Republic should declare herself concerning this Turkish war. But she +will avoid it. Unhappily, France has lost much of her influence here. +Her friends fear, that the odium of losing Negapatnam will fall upon +them among the people. The English and the Stadtholderians are +endeavoring to detach the Republic entirely from France, and to revive +the ancient connexions, particularly the ancient alliance, offensive +and defensive in the treaty of 1674. A Mr Shirley, at Paris, has +lately proposed to M. Boers, and M. Van der Pere, two agents of the +Dutch East India Company, who have been a year or two at Paris, and +are reputed to be in the Stadtholder's interest, that England had the +best dispositions towards the Republic, and would give them ample +satisfaction if they would treat distinctly from France, and renew the +ancient cordial friendship, and proposed an interview with the Dutch +Ambassadors upon this subject. The agents proposed it, but Brantzen +refused, to the great satisfaction of the principal republicans. Yet +M. Berenger tells me, that some of the republican members begin to be +afraid, and to think they shall be obliged to fall in with the +English. + +Upon conversing with many people in the government and out of it, in +Amsterdam as well as the Hague, they all complain to me of the conduct +of France. They all confess, that the Republic has not done so much in +the war as she ought, but this is the fault of the friends of England, +they say, not those of France, and the worst evils of all, that befall +the latter, are the reproaches of the former, who now say insultingly, +"this comes of confiding in France, we always told you, that you would +be cheated," &c. France ought, they say, to have considered this, and +not have imputed to the Republic the faults of her enemies, because +the punishment falls wholly on her friends. + +I mention these things to you, because, although we are not +immediately interested in them, they may have consequences which may +affect us; and, therefore, you ought to know them. I think, however, +upon the whole, the Republic will stand firm, and refuse to receive +the alliance, though they sacrifice Negapatnam. France wishes to win +the Republic into an alliance, but feels an awkwardness about +proposing it, and, indeed, I doubt whether she would now succeed; she +might have succeeded heretofore. But, in plain English, Sir, the +Count de Vergennes has no conception of the right way of negotiating +with any free people, or with any assembly, aristocratical or +democratical. He cannot enter into the motives which govern them; he +never penetrates their real system, and never appears to comprehend +their constitution. With empires, and monarchs, and their Ministers of +State, he negotiates aptly enough. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, August 1st, 1783. + + Sir, + +I had last evening some conversation with D. Joas Theolonico de +Almeida, the Envoy Extraordinary of Portugal, who desired to meet me +today at any hour at his house or mine. I promised to visit him at +twelve, which I did. + +He said, he had heard that the French Minister had proposed to the +Duke of Manchester, at Versailles, to reduce the duties upon French +wines in England to the level of those upon Portugal wines, and begged +of me to inform him if it were true, because, if it were, Portugal +must endeavor to indemnify herself by opening a trade with America, or +some other way, for such a project will be ruinous to the sale of +their wines in England, which was their only market. I answered, that +I had heard of such a project among multitudes of others in private +conversation, but knew no authority for it. We have a treaty, says he, +made in 1703, by which we have stipulated with the English, to permit +the importation of their cloths, upon condition that they allow the +importation of Portugal wines upon paying one third of the duty upon +French wines; if they violate the treaty, says he, we shall be rid of +it. + +I asked him, if his Court permitted the English, or any other nation, +to go to the Brazils? In the last century, said he, between 1660 and +1670, we did agree with Charles the Second, who married a daughter of +Portugal, that the English should go to the Brazils, and after that, +the Dutch sued for permission to go there too, and we granted it. But +we found it inconvenient, and in 1714 or 1715, at the treaty of +Utrecht, we agreed upon an article with Spain, to exclude all nations +from the Brazils, and as the English Ambassadors were there, we have +since held that nation bound, and have confiscated their vessels as +well as the Dutch which venture there. The English have sometimes made +strong remonstrances, but we have always told them, if we admit you, +we must admit the Dutch too, and such has been their jealousy of the +Dutch, and dread of their rivalry, that this has always quieted them, +choosing rather to be excluded themselves, than that the Dutch should +be admitted. So that this commerce has been a long time carried on in +Portuguese ships only, and directly between the Brazils and Lisbon. + +I asked him, whether we might not have free communication with all +their Western Islands, and whether one or all of them might not be +made a depot for the produce of the Brazils, so that Portuguese ships +might stop and deposit cargoes there, and American vessels take them? +He said, he would write about it to his Court by the next post. At +present, Brazil communicated only with Lisbon, and, perhaps, it might +be difficult for government to secure the duties at the Western +Islands. I asked, if there were any refineries of sugar at Lisbon? He +said, none. Their sugars had all been brought here by the Dutch for +refining; that all their carrying-trade with other parts of Europe had +been carried on by the English and Dutch; that their mercantile +navigation (_marine marchand_) before this war, had been upon a very +poor footing, but it was now much changed, and they began to carry on +their trade in their own vessels. I observed, if their trade should +continue to be carried on by others, it must be indifferent to them +whether it were done in English, Dutch, or American vessels, provided +it was done to their equal advantage. But if they should persist in +the desire to conduct it in their own vessels, they might purchase +ships ready built in America cheaper than they could build them or buy +them elsewhere. All this, he said, was true. That they could supply us +with sugars, coffee, cocoa, Brazil wood, and even with tea, for they +had an island, called Macao, near China, which was a flourishing +establishment, and sent them annually a good deal of tea, which the +Dutch usually bought very cheap at Lisbon to sell again. + +He asked, whether Portugal wines had been much used in America. I +answered, that Port wines, common Lisbon, and Caracavalles, had been +before the war frequently used, and that Madeira was esteemed above +all other wine. That it was found equally wholesome and agreeable, in +the heats of summer and the colds of winter, so that it would probably +continue to be preferred, though there was no doubt that a variety of +French wines would now be more commonly used than heretofore. He said, +they should have occasion for a great deal of our fish, grain, and +perhaps ships or ship-timber, and naval stores, and other things, and +he thought there was a prospect of a very beneficial trade with us, +and he would write largely to his Court upon it. I replied, that I +wondered his Court had not sent a Minister to Philadelphia, where the +members and Ministers of Congress, and even the merchants of the city, +might throw much light upon the subject, and assist in framing a +treaty to the greatest possible advantage for both countries. He said, +he would write for a commission and instructions to negotiate a treaty +with me. I told him, that I believed his Court had already instructed +their Ambassador at Versailles to treat with Dr Franklin; but that I +thought that Philadelphia or Lisbon were the proper places to treat, +and that I feared mutual advantages might be lost by this method of +striking up a bargain in haste in a distant country, between Ministers +who could not be supposed to have made of commerce a study. + +In a letter from Paris yesterday, I am informed that a project of a +treaty with Portugal, and another with Denmark, are to go home by +Captain Barney.[9] These projects have never been communicated to me, +nor to Mr Jay. I hope that Congress will not be in haste to conclude +them, but take time to inform themselves of everything which may be +added to the mutual advantage of the nations and countries concerned. +I am much mistaken, if we have not lost advantages by a similar piece +of cunning in the case of Sweden. + +With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[9] For these treaties, and some account of them, see _Franklin's +Correspondence_, Vol. IV. pp. 114, 115, 130, 141, 150. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, August 2d, 1783. + + Sir, + +M. Berenger, the Secretary of the French Legation, has this moment +left me. He came in to inform me of the news. The Empress of Russia +has communicated to the King of Prussia, a treaty of alliance between +the Emperor of Germany and her, defensive against the Christian powers +and offensive against the Turks. The King of Prussia has answered her, +"that he is very sensible, upon this communication, as one is upon the +communication of things of great importance." Thus wrapped up in an +impenetrable reserve is this great warrior and statesman. We may +discern by this answer, what all the world would know without it, viz. +that his Majesty has no joy in this new alliance. Still he expresses +no sorrow; and maintains a perfect liberty to take which side he will, +or neither, at his pleasure, and the same reserve he will probably +hold to the end of the war. + +M. Berenger says, if Prussia is neutral France must be so too, for she +cannot cope by land with the two Empires; that this Republic is +desired to declare, but does not choose it; that they are +dissatisfied, and the republicans murmur a good deal, and are +wavering, and that the other party will do nothing; that England +hitherto has favored an accommodation between Russia and the Turks; +that the British Ambassador, at Constantinople, has co-operated with +the French to bring about an accommodation; that the Turks have +offered Russia the free navigation of the Black Sea and passage of the +Dardanelles, and the same with a free navigation of the Danube to the +Emperor, but they will not accept it, but are determined to drive the +Turks from Europe; that France has determined to put her army upon a +war footing, because it has been much neglected during the late war; +that he believes France and Spain will shut the Mediterranean against +a Turkish fleet, as Russia, Sweden, and Denmark excluded warlike +vessels from the Baltic in the last war; that this state of things +gives him great pain, and must embarrass the Count de Vergennes. It is +a great and difficult question, whether France should take a side. If +she does not, and the Empires should prevail, it will be an immense +aggrandizement of the House of Austria, which, with Russia, will +become two great maritime powers; that England will act an insidious +part; pretend to favor peace, secretly foment war, and join in, at the +end, if she sees a favorable opportunity to crush France. These are +sensible observations of M. Berenger, who added, that a new difficulty +in the way of the definitive treaty had arisen between England and +Spain, respecting the Musquito shore, so that more couriers must go +and return. + +I confess myself as much in pain at this state of things as M. +Berenger, and, therefore, I wish most ardently, that we may omit no +proper means of settling our question with every Court in Europe, and +especially our plan of commerce with Great Britain. If this is too +long left in uncertainty, the face of things may soon change, so as to +involve us in the complicated, extensive, and long war, which seems to +be now opening. + +The prospect of returning to Paris, and living there without my +family, in absolute idleness, at a time when so many and so great +things want to be done for our country elsewhere, is very +disagreeable. If we must live there, waiting for the moving of many +waters, and treaties are to be there negotiated with the powers of +Europe, or only with Denmark and Portugal, I pray that we may all be +joined in the business, as we are in the commission for peace, that, +at least, we may have the satisfaction of knowing what is done, and of +giving a hint for the public good, if any one occurs to us, and that +we may not be made the sport and ridicule of all Europe, as well as of +those who contrive such humiliations for us. + +With the greatest respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + The Hague, August 3d, 1783. + + Sir, + +The fiscal systems of the powers of Europe have such an ill influence +on commerce, that they deserve the serious attention of Congress and +their Ministers, whenever they have under consideration a treaty with +any foreign power. In conversation yesterday with M. d'Asp, the +_Charge d'Affaires_ of Sweden, I inquired of him what imposts were +payable in their ports upon the importation and exportation of +merchandises, and observed to him, that I had lately seen in the +gazettes, that the King had taken off certain duties upon the +importation of merchandises from America, in Swedish ships. He agreed +that such a thing had been done. This ought to alarm us. All the +powers of Europe, who are called neutral, have felt a sudden increase +of their navigation in the course of the late war, and the profits +they have made have excited a desire to augment it still further. If +they should generally exact duties of our ships, and none of their own +upon the importation of our produce, this will be as great a +discouragement to our navigation as it will be an encouragement to +theirs. Whether this has been attended to in the treaty with Sweden I +know not, for I have not seen it. But it ought to be carefully +considered by those who negotiate the treaties with Denmark and +Portugal, the Emperor and Empress, and all other powers. We have a +good right to insist, that no distinction shall be made in their ports +between their ships and ours; that we should pay in their ports no +higher duties than they pay in ours. + +I should think it therefore advisable for Congress to instruct their +negotiators, to endeavor to obtain equity in this respect. This is the +time for it, if ever. If we cannot obtain it by negotiation, we must +think and talk of doing ourselves justice by making similar +distinctions in our own ports between our vessels and theirs. But here +again comes in the difficulty of uniting our States in such measures; +a difficulty which must be surmounted, or our commerce, navigation, +and marine will still be ruined, notwithstanding the conservation of +the fisheries. It deserves to be considered by whom this new method of +huddling up treaties at Paris is contrived, and for what purposes. It +may well be conjectured, that it is done with the secret intention of +preventing these things from being attended to; for there are persons +who had rather that any other people should have navigation than the +Americans. I have good reason to believe that it was known at +Versailles, that Mr Dana had well digested his thoughts upon this +subject, which was reason enough for some people to endeavor to take +Sweden out of his hands, in whose department it was. Their success is +much to be lamented.[10] + +I had yesterday and the day before long conversations with the Baron +Van der Capellen de Pal, and M. Gyselaer. They both complain to me, in +the most pathetic terms, of the cruel situation of the friends of +America and France in this Republic. They both say, that they are +looking round every way like drowning men for support. The Province of +Friesland, their great dependence, wavers, and many of their +fellow-laborers are discouraged. They both inquired of me very +earnestly, if closer connexions could not be formed with us; if we +could not agree to warrant to each other the liberty of navigation, or +enter into an alliance, offensive and defensive. They see they shall +be obliged to make a shameful peace, and that the blame of it will +fall upon them, which will give a triumph to the Court, and put their +persons even in danger. They say, the King of France, by his +Ambassador, in July, 1782, gave them a positive assurance that he +would never separate his cause from theirs. In consequence of this, +they had instructed their Ambassadors never to separate their cause +from his. On their part the agreement had been sacredly observed, but +not on the other. With Great Britain enraged against them, with a +formidable party in the Republic furious against them, with the King +of Prussia threatening them, and abandoned by France, their prospects +are, they say, as disagreeable as can be conceived. + +There are many appearances of designs to excite the people to +seditions, and I think it probable that the Court of London studies +delays of the Definitive Treaty in this hope. I still believe, +however, that the people will be wise and the Republic firm, and +submit to the immense losses of the war, and that of Negapatnam, +rather than renew their old submission to the Court and to England. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[10] The plan of the treaty with Sweden was sent out to Dr Franklin by +Congress, and adopted with hardly a verbal alteration. See the plan, +and the treaty as adopted, in the Secret Journals of Congress, Vol. +III. pp. 227, 369. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +On the 6th I left the Hague, and last night arrived here. I had +several interviews, on some of the last days at the Hague, which I had +not time to give you an account of, as a great part of my time was +taken up with visits to take leave of the Court, the President, the +Grand Pensionary, Greffier, &c. ceremonies which must be repeated at +every coming and going, and upon many other occasions, to the no small +interruption of business of more importance. + +I asked the Count de Sanafee, the Spanish Minister, with whom I have +always lived upon very good terms, whether it might not be possible to +persuade his Court, that it would be good policy for them to allow to +the citizens of the United States of America a free port, in some of +their islands at least, if not upon the Continent of South America? He +said he did not know; that he thought, however, his Court would be +afraid of the measure, as free ports were nests of smugglers, and +afforded many facilities of illicit trade, (_le commerce interlope_.) + +I asked him further, whether measures might not be taken at Madrid, to +the end that the sugars, coffee, cocoa, &c. of their Colonies might be +carried to the free ports of France, Holland, and Denmark, in the West +Indies or one of them, in Spanish vessels, that they might be there +purchased by Americans? He said he was not able to foresee any +objection against this. I asked him again, what objections there +could be to admitting American vessels to the Spanish Islands of Cuba +and Hispaniola, to carry their produce and purchase molasses, as they +did in the French and Dutch Colonies. Such a commerce would be useful +and profitable both to them and to us. He said that he could not +pretend to give any opinion upon any of these points. But that we must +negotiate them at Madrid. I hope Congress will instruct their Minister +at the Court of Madrid to propose all these things, and endeavor to +obtain them. + +The Portuguese Envoy, Don Almeida, returned my visit, and brought with +him a copy of the treaty between Spain and Portugal, made at Utrecht +in 1715. This treaty was signed under the warranty of Great Britain, +and one article of it is, that each nation shall confine the commerce +with its possessions in America to its own subjects. I had much +satisfaction in the conversation of this Minister, who, though a young +man, appears possessed of more than common intelligence, and a desire +to inform himself of everything which can affect his nation. He is, as +he told me, a nephew of the present Prime Minister at the Court of +Lisbon. He says, that the _King his master_, (a style which they +continue to use, although the Queen is the sovereign, and her husband +is but her subject) allows but sixty thousand Dutch guilders a year to +his Ambassador at Versailles, which not being sufficient for his +expenses at that Court, he is continued there because he is very rich; +but that he is not a man of business. + +He again enlarged upon the subject of Portuguese navigation, which has +been prettily increased, (_tres joliment augmente_) during the late +war, and would have been still doubled if the war had continued +another year; that their merchants and mariners had pushed their +navigation with more spirit than skill; had sent their wines and other +things in prize vessels purchased in France and Spain, all over +Europe; but that their seamen not being experienced, many vessels had +been lost, so that the price of insurance was ten per cent with them, +when it was not more then three or four with other neutral nations; +that the profits had nevertheless been so considerable, as to excite a +strong inclination still to increase their shipping and +carrying-trade. These observations are worth repeating to Congress, +because all the other neutral powers have felt a like advantage. The +commerce of the northern powers was so increased, and had turned the +course of business that way to such a degree, as occasioned to the +Danish Minister at Versailles, for example, a loss of forty per cent +upon his salary. So much was exchange affected. + +The late belligerent powers, having observed this sudden increase of +the commerce of the neutrals, and that it was owing to the sudden +growth of their navigation, are alarmed. So that the attention of all +the commercial nations is now turned to navigation, carrying-trade, +coasting-trade, &c. more than ever. We should be apprised of this, and +upon our guard. Our navigation and carrying-trade is not to be +neglected. We have great advantages for many branches of it, and have +a right to claim our natural share in it. + +This morning I went out to Passy, and found from Dr Franklin and Mr +Jay, that nothing farther had been done since my departure, but to +deliver to Mr Hartley a fair copy of the project of a definitive +treaty, which I had left with my colleagues; that Mr Laurens had been +here in my absence, and returned to England; that he was of opinion, +the present British Ministry would not remain a fortnight; that Mr +Hartley had been seven weeks without a letter from his principals, and +then received only an apology for not having written, a promise to +write soon, and authority to assure the American Ministers that all +would go well. These last are words of course. There are but three +ways in which I can account for this conduct of the British Ministry. +1st. The fact is, that they foresee a change, and do not choose to +commit themselves, but wish to reserve everything for the foundation +of a future opposition, that they may attack the definitive treaty +which may be made by a future Ministry, as they attacked the +provisional and preliminary one, made by the last. 2dly. That they are +exciting secretly and insidiously the troubles in the north, in hopes +of involving France, and then assuming a higher tone. 3dly. That they +are in expectation, that seditions may be excited in Holland, and the +Dutch induced to renounce France, and renew the ancient alliance with +England. + +I see no more appearance of the definitive treaty, than I have done +these six months. Mr Hartley, I am told by Mr Jay, thinks that the +French Court wish to delay the signature; that they do not wish to see +the peace finished between England and America, while matters are +uncertain in the north. There are so many considerations on both sides +of the question, whether the French Minister wishes to finish soon or +not, that it is hard to decide it. Neither Court possibly is very +zealous to finish, while so great a scene as the northern war lies +under so much obscurity. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday I went to Court with Dr Franklin, and presented to the Count +de Vergennes our project of a definitive treaty, who told us he would +examine it and give us his sentiments upon it. + +It was Ambassadors' day, and I had conversations with a number of +Ministers, of which it is proper I should give you an account. + +The Dutch Ambassador, Berkenrode, told me, that last Saturday the +Count de Vergennes went to Paris, and dined with the Imperial +Ambassador, the Count de Mercy, in company with the Duke of +Manchester, the Count d'Aranda, the Prince Bariatinski, and M. +Markoff, with their Secretaries; that after dinner the Secretaries in +presence of all the Ministers read over, compared, and corrected the +definitive treaties between France and Great Britain, and between +Spain and Great Britain, and finally agreed upon both. So that they +are now ready for signature by the Ministers of Great Britain, France, +and Spain as principals, and by those of the two Imperial Courts as +mediators. + +The Duke of Manchester told me, that Mr Hartley's courier, who carried +our project of a treaty, arrived in London last Saturday, and might be +expected here on next Saturday on his return. + +In the evening, on my return from Versailles, Mr Hartley called upon +me at my house, and informed me, that he had just received a courier +from Westminster, who had brought him the ratification of our +provisional treaty, under the King's own hand, and under the great +seal of the kingdom, enclosed in a silver box, ornamented with golden +tassels as usual, which he was ready to exchange tomorrow morning. He +informed me farther, that he had received very satisfactory letters +from the Duke of Portland and Mr Fox, and the strongest assurances, +that the dispositions of his Court were very good to finish +immediately, and to arrange all things upon the best footing; that he +had farther received plenary authority to sign the definitive treaty +tomorrow, or tonight, if we pleased; that he had received a draft +ready formed, which he would show us. + +We agreed to go together in the morning to my colleagues, and this +morning we went out in Mr Hartley's carriage, exchanged the +ratifications, and he produced to us his project of a definitive +treaty. It is the provisional treaty in so many words; without +addition or diminution. It is only preceded with a preamble, which +makes it a definitive treaty. And he proposed to us, that all matters +of discussion respecting commerce or other things should be left to be +discussed by Ministers, to be mutually appointed to reside in London +and Philadelphia. We told him, that it had been proposed to us, that +the Ministers of the two Imperial Courts should sign the treaty as +mediators, and that we had answered, that we had no objection to it. + +He said, he had unanswerable ones. First, he had no authority, and +could not obtain any certainly under ten days, nor probably ever. For +secondly, it would, he thought, give great offence to his Court, and +they never would agree that any nation should interfere between them +and America. Thirdly, for his part, he was fully against it, and +should write his opinion to his Court. If he was about to marry his +daughter, or set up a son in the world, after he was of age, he would +never admit any of his neighbors to interfere, and sign any contract +he might make, as mediators. There was no need of it. + +We told him there was no need of warmth upon the occasion, or any +pretence for his Court to take offence; that it had been proposed to +us, that the Imperial Ministers should sign as mediators. Our answer +had been, that we had no objections, that we were willing and ready to +consent to it, or even to request it. His Court had a right to consent +or dissent, as it thought proper. To be sure, the mediation could not +take place without their consent. That he might write to his Court the +proposition, and if he received orders to consent or dissent, it would +be equally well. In the meantime, we were ready to sign the definitive +treaty, either with or without the mediation, whenever the other +parties were ready to sign, according to his project just received +from his Court, that is, simply a repetition of the provisional +treaty. + +We have agreed to this, because it is plain, that all propositions for +alterations in the provisional articles will be an endless discussion, +and that we must give more than we can hope to receive. The critical +state of things in England, and at the Court of Versailles, and in all +the rest of Europe, affords pressing motives to get this business +finished. + +Mr Hartley told us from his Court, that they had expected an American +Minister at St James's these three months, and that all further +matters might be there discussed. + +He also announced to us the birth of another Princess, the fifteenth +child of the Queen, upon which event he received our congratulations, +which I hope Congress will approve and repeat by their Minister in +London; for these personal and family compliments are more attended +to in Courts, and have greater effects than may be imagined. + +I lament very much, that we cannot obtain an explanation of the +article respecting the refugees, and that respecting debts; but it is +plain, we must give more than they are worth for such explanations; +and what is of more decisive importance, we must make a long delay, +and put infinitely greater things at hazard by this means. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +The question before the French cabinet, whether they shall involve +themselves in a war against two Christian Empires, in order to support +a Turkish one, is of a serious nature on many accounts. If the Turks +should be driven out of Europe, France would lose some of the Levant +trade, and some of the coasting trade of Italy; and these commercial +and naval considerations are enforced by others, which lie deeper in +the human heart, the ancient rivalry between the great Houses of +Bourbon and Austria, and between the vast countries of Germany and +France, and between all the lesser powers, which depend upon them. To +these considerations is to be added, that an Austrian Princess is now +upon the throne of France, to whom it is no doubt a melancholy +consideration, that there is danger of a war between a husband and a +brother. + +The city politicians are looking out for alliances with Prussia, +Holland, and even England, but can find none. It cannot be expected +that either will engage; yet the French Minister has gone far towards +compromising his master, by augmenting the array to a war +establishment, and by threatening to shut up the Mediterranean Sea. + +In this posture of affairs, it is not surprising, that there should be +a fermentation at Versailles, and since my return to Paris, I find it +is the general topic of conversation. Monsieur de Breteuil, late +Ambassador to the Court of Vienna, who is supposed to be esteemed by +the Queen, and connected with her friends, is lately, about a +fortnight ago, called to the King's council, and the Mareschal de +Castries, who is in the same interest, is said to be new modelling the +subordinate offices in his department. + +From these, and many other considerations, it is generally concluded, +that Count de Vergennes' continuance in the Ministry is precarious. Mr +Hartley last night and today began conversation with me upon the +subject, and is very sanguine that his Minister will continue in place +but a very short time, and assures me that the Duke of Manchester is +of the same opinion. I pretend to form no opinion, because I have ever +carefully avoided conversations and connexions, which might be +misinterpreted into an attachment to persons or parties in this +kingdom. + +I know, that for the last nine months many sensible people have +thought this Minister in a tottering situation; others think he will +weather out the storm, which all people agree is preparing for him. +Time will discover. One thing is agreed on all hands, that he is not +in favor with the Queen, and as he has taken up the cause in a pretty +high tone against the Emperor and Empress, if he should be now +displaced, Congress, I think, may infer from it, that France will not +take a part in the war; on the contrary, if he remains, it is probable +she will. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 13th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday at Versailles, the Baron de Walterstorff came to me and told +me he had delivered to Dr Franklin, a project of a treaty between the +Court of Denmark and the United States, and asked me if Dr Franklin +had shown it to me? I answered him, that I knew nothing of it. He +said, he wondered at that, he presumed it was because of my absence at +the Hague, for that it had been shown to Mr Jay. There by the way he +was misinformed, for upon my return from Versailles, I called upon Mr +Jay on purpose to ask him, and he assured me he had not seen it. I +asked Walterstorff, if his orders were to propose his project to us +all. He said no, this Court had been informed, that Dr Franklin was +the Minister authorised and empowered by Congress to treat with all +the powers of Europe, and they had for this reason sent him orders to +deliver the project to Dr Franklin, but he supposed Dr Franklin would +consult his colleagues. The same information, I doubt not, has been +given to the Court of Portugal, and every other Court in Europe, viz. +that Dr Franklin is alone empowered to treat with them; and in +consequence of it, very probably, propositions have been or will be +made to him from all of them, and he will keep the whole as secret as +he can from Mr Jay, Mr Laurens, Mr Dana, and me.[11] + +Now I beg to be informed by Congress, whether he has such authority or +not? Having never been informed of such powers, I do not believe he +has them. I remember there was seven years ago a resolution of +Congress, that their Commissioners at Versailles should have power to +treat with other powers of Europe; but upon the dissolution of that +commission this authority was dissolved with it; or if not, it still +resides in Mr Deane, Mr Lee, and myself, who were once in that +commission, as well as Dr Franklin. And if it is by virtue of this +power he acts, he ought at least to communicate with me, who alone am +present. I think, however, that neither he nor I have any legal +authority, and therefore that he ought to communicate everything of +this kind to all the Ministers here or hereabout, Mr Jay, Mr Laurens, +and myself, at least. + +It is not from the vain wish of seeing my poor name upon a treaty, +that I write this. If the business is well done, it is not of much +importance in itself who does it. + +But my duty to my country obliges me to say, that I seriously believe +this clandestine manner of smuggling treaties is contrived by European +politicians on purpose, that Mr Jay and I may not have an opportunity +of suggesting ideas for the preservation of American navigation, +transport-trade, and nurseries of seamen. But in another point of view +it is of equal importance. This method reflects contempt and ridicule +on your other Ministers. When all Europe sees, that a number of your +Ministers are kept here as a kind of satellites to Dr Franklin in the +affair of peace, but that they are not to be consulted or asked a +question, or even permitted to know the important negotiations which +are here going on with all Europe, they fall into contempt. It cannot +be supposed that Congress mean to cast this contempt upon us, because +it cannot be supposed they mean to destroy the reputation, character, +influence, and usefulness of those to whom in other respects they +intrust powers of so much consequence; and therefore I am persuaded, +that Congress is as much imposed on by it as the Courts of Europe are. + +I asked the Baron, what was the substance of the treaty. He said his +Court had taken for a model, my treaty with Holland. I said nothing to +him in answer to this, but I beg leave to say to Congress, that the +negotiation with Holland was in very different circumstances. We were +then in the fiercest rage of the war. A treaty with that Republic was +at that time of as much weight in the war, as the captivity of +Burgoyne or Cornwallis. A treaty with any power was worth a battle or +a siege, and no moments of time were to be lost, especially in a +country so divided, that unanimity being necessary, every proposition +was dangerous. At present the case is altered, and we may take time to +weigh and inquire. The Baron tells me, that St Thomas and St John, two +of their Islands, are free ports, but that St Croix, which is of more +importance than both, is not. That foreign vessels, our vessels, are +permitted to bring our produce, and carry away half the value in +sugar, &c. The Island produces, _communibus annis_, twenty thousand +hogsheads of sugar, and their molasses is better than that of the +French, because they make only "_sucres crutes_." He says, they have +some sugar-houses at Copenhagen. But notwithstanding this, I think it +is worth while for Congress to try if they cannot, by the treaty, +obtain a right to take away cargoes, to the full value of those they +bring. It is worth while to try too, if we cannot obtain a tariff, to +ascertain the duties to be paid in exportation and importation. It is +worth while too, to endeavor to get the duties ascertained in the +Danish ports in Europe, at least that we may not pay in their ports +more than they pay in ours; or that our vessels may not be obliged to +pay more than theirs, especially when we import our own produce. I +pretend not to be a master of these commercial subjects, but I think +that Dr Franklin has not studied the subject more than myself, that +both of us need the advice of Mr Laurens and Mr Jay, and that all of +us want that of American merchants, and especially of Congress. I am +therefore against this secret and hasty method of concluding treaties, +at this time, when they may be more maturely reflected on. + +I know very well to what ill-natured remarks these reflections are +liable, but they shall not hinder me from doing my duty. I do +sincerely believe, there are clandestine insinuations going about to +every commercial nation in the world, to excite them to increase their +own navigation and seamen at the expense of ours, and that this +smuggling of treaties is one means of accomplishing the design, +although Dr Franklin may not be let into the secret of it. For, from +long experience and observation, I am persuaded that one Minister at +least and his dependants would prefer, that the navigation of any +nation in the world, even that of the English, should grow, rather +than ours. In the last _Courier de l'Europe_, it is said, that all the +commercial powers are concerting measures to clip the wings of the +eagle, and to prevent us from having a navy. I believe it. That is to +say, I believe measures are taken with them all to bring them into +this system, although they are not let into the secret design, and do +not know from whom the measures come, nor with what views promoted. + +With great regard, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[11] Franklin did not assume this authority, but reported to Congress, +that propositions for treaties had been made, and desired that +authority to conclude them might be sent to him, or _some other +person_. See on this subject, _Franklin's Correspondence_, Vol. IV. +pp. 74, 97, 99, 110, 114, 141. For the treaty with Sweden he had a +special authority. _Secret Journals_, Vol. III. p 240. + + * * * * * + + TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + Paris, August 15th, 1783. + + Sir, + +France, England, Spain, and America are all agreed; but Mr Hartley is +sanguine, that the treaty will not be signed, because, he says, the +Count de Vergennes does not mean to sign it. His reasons for this +opinion I know not, and I think he is mistaken. It is very certain, +however, that the French Minister is embarrassed, and would not, +perhaps, be sorry to find good reasons for postponing the signature +for some time. + +Congress may judge in some degree of the situation of things, by the +following conversation, which I had this morning with M. Brantzen, the +Ambassador Extraordinary from the States-General, to whom I returned +the visit he made me yesterday, when I was abroad. + +He told me, "that he was as far, and indeed farther than ever, from an +agreement with the Duke of Manchester. He had given up, he said, all +pretensions to a compensation for the unjust damages of the war, and +he had in a manner waived his claim of the restitution of Negapatnam. +But the Duke of Manchester now insisted peremptorily upon, not only +all the ancient salutations from the Dutch flag to the English, but +upon an unlimited liberty of navigation in all the seas of the East +Indies. He had despatched an express to the Hague the day before +yesterday, who would arrive today; but the Grand Pensionary was sick, +and the States of Holland not sitting; so that there must be some time +before he could have an answer. Concerning the salutes to the flag, +there would be different opinions, but they would be all of a mind +against the liberty of navigation in the Indies. He could not, +therefore, expect from their High Mightinesses permission to sign, and +the Count de Vergennes would be embarrassed. All the other powers were +ready, and to make them wait would raise a cry. + +"To sign without Holland would raise a terrible storm in Holland +against the Count, and no small one in France. And even, if the States +should authorise him to sign a shameful peace, this would raise no +less clamor in Holland and France against the Count. He will, +therefore, not know what to do, and will seek to postpone; for the +parties of the Marquis de Castries and of M. de Breteuil will take +advantage of every clamor against the Count, as these parties wish M. +de Breteuil in his place. I am persuaded, therefore, that the Count +himself looks upon his own situation as very hazardous. It has been so +a long time. It was his instability in his place that made him sign +the preliminaries, for money to carry on the war could not be obtained +without M. Necker, and M. Necker would not come in with the Count, as +they were and are sworn enemies to each other. He was, therefore, +reduced to the dilemma to make peace or go out. I have good reasons to +believe, that the Mareschal de Castries disapproves of the Count's +conduct towards our Republic. He certainly deceived me. The +States-General did very wrong to bind me to leave so much to the +French Minister; but I thought him an honest man, and that I could +trust him; so I left things to him, according to my instructions, +depending on his word, and, at last, I found myself the dupe. No, not +a dupe, for I am always upon my guard not to be a dupe. But he +deceived me; and when one, whom I have reason to believe an honest +man, deceives me, I cannot call myself a dupe, for I can do no other +than believe an honest man, when he gives me his word." + +In several of your letters, Sir, you have insisted on my reciting to +you my conversations with foreign Ministers. You must not esteem them +infallible oracles. They are often mistaken in their facts, and +sometimes wrong in their reasonings. But these sentiments of M. +Brantzen are of so much importance, that I thought proper to recite +them. It will, indeed, be necessary for your foreign Ministers to be +more inquisitive than we have been, and to transmit to Congress more +information concerning the intrigues of Courts, than we have done. If +the Mareschal de Castries and M. de Breteuil, who is now in the +Council, and M. Necker are not friends to the Count de Vergennes, and +all the world here agree they are not, Congress ought to know it. +Although I would have so much respect to the Queen, as not to name her +Majesty upon unnecessary occasions, yet, upon this, when she is sister +to the Emperor, and the question at Court is, whether there shall be a +war with her brother, it is obviously a matter of so much importance, +as to make it a duty to communicate to Congress her sentiments, which +all men here agree are favorable to de Castries and Breteuil, but not +partial to the present Minister of foreign Affairs. I said in a former +letter, if this Minister continues, there will be war; but I am told +by some, if there is war, he cannot continue; for neither he, nor his +friends, can raise the money. M. de Rayneval, however, affirmed +positively to Mr Hartley, that nothing but death could remove the +Count.[12] + +All these things show the critical and uncertain constitution of this +Court, and the uncertainty when the definitive treaty will be signed, +notwithstanding that four powers are agreed, and, therefore, I can +give Congress no clear information upon that head. This is a great +chagrin to me, both on account of the public and myself, because I am +as uncertain about my own destiny as that of the public. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[12] This affirmation was verified. The Count de Vergennes continued +in the Ministry till his death, which happened, February 13th, 1787. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 5th 1783. + + Sir, + +On Wednesday, the 3d day of this month, the American Ministers met the +British Minister at his lodgings at the _Hotel de York_, and signed, +sealed, and delivered the Definitive Treaty of Peace between the +United States of America and the King of Great Britain. Although it is +but a confirmation or repetition of the provisional articles, I have +the honor to congratulate Congress upon it, as it is a completion of +the work of peace, and the best that we could obtain. Nothing remains +now to be done but a treaty of commerce; but this in my opinion cannot +be negotiated without a new commission from Congress to some one or +more persons. Time, it is easy to foresee, will not be likely to +render the British nation more disposed to a regulation of commerce +favorable to us, and therefore my advice is to issue a commission as +soon as may be. + +There is another subject on which I beg leave to represent to Congress +my sentiments, because they seem to me of importance, and because they +differ from many sanguine opinions, which will be communicated to the +members of that assembly from partisans both of England and France. + +In the late deliberations concerning an acceptance of the mediation of +the Imperial Courts, the British Minister refused it, and in the +conferences we had with the Count de Vergennes upon this subject, it +was manifest enough to me that he was not fond of our accepting it; +for although he maintained a perfect impartiality of language, neither +advising us for, nor against the measure, yet at last, when it was +observed that Mr Hartley was averse to it, he turned to Dr Franklin +and said, that we must agree with Mr Hartley about it, with such a +countenance, air, and tone of voice (for from these you must often +collect the sentiments of Ministers) as convinced me he did not wish +the mediation should take place. + +It was not a subject which would bear insisting on either way. I +therefore made no difficulty. But I am, upon recollection, fully of +opinion that we should have done wisely to have sent our letter to the +Imperial Ministers, accepting the mediation on our part. The signature +of these Ministers would have given reputation in Europe and among our +own citizens. I mention these, because I humbly conceive that Congress +ought, in all their proceedings, to consider the opinion that the +United States or the people of America will entertain of themselves. +We may call this national vanity or national pride, but it is the main +principle of the national sense of its own dignity, and a passion in +human nature, without which nations cannot preserve the character of +man. Let the people lose this sentiment, as in Poland, and a partition +of their country will soon take place. Our country has but lately been +a dependent one, and our people although enlightened and virtuous, +have had their minds and hearts habitually filled with all the +passions of a dependent and subordinate people; that is to say, with +fear, with diffidence, and distrust of themselves, with admiration of +foreigners, &c. Now I say, that it is one of the most necessary and +one of the most difficult branches of the policy of Congress to +eradicate from the American mind, every remaining fibre of this fear +and self-diffidence on one hand, and of this excessive admiration of +foreigners on the other. + +It cannot be doubted one moment, that a solemn acknowledgment of us by +the signature of the two Imperial Courts would have had such a +tendency in the minds of our countrymen. But we should also consider, +upon every occasion, how our reputation will be affected in Europe. We +shall not find it easy to keep up the respect for us, that has been +excited by the continual publication of the exploits of this war. In +the calm of peace, little will be said about us in Europe unless we +prepare for it, but by those who have designs upon us. We may depend +upon it, everything will be said in Europe and in the gazettes, which +anybody in Europe wants to have repeated in America, to make such +impressions upon the minds of our citizens, as he desires. It will +become us, therefore, to do everything in our power to make reasonable +and just impressions upon the public opinion in Europe. The signature +of the two Imperial Courts would have made a deep and important +impression in our favor, upon full one half of Europe, as friends to +those Courts, and upon all the other half as enemies. + +I need not explain myself further. I may however add, that Americans +can scarcely conceive the decisive influence of the governments of +Europe upon their people. Every nation is a piece of clockwork, every +wheel is under the absolute direction of the sovereign as its weight +or spring. In consequence of this, all that moiety of mankind that are +subject to the two imperial Courts and their allies, would, in +consequence of their mediation have been openly and decidedly our +friends at this hour, and the other half of Europe would certainly +have respected us more for this. But at present, the two Imperial +Courts not having signed the treaty, all their friends are left in a +state of doubt and timidity concerning us. From all the conversations +I have had with the Count de Mercy and M. Markoff, it is certain that +the two Courts wished, as these Ministers certainly were ambitious to, +sign our treaty. They and their sovereigns wished that their names +might be read in America, and there respected as our friends. But this +is now past. England and France will be most perfectly united in all +artifices and endeavors to keep down our reputation at home and +abroad, to mortify our self-conceit, and to lessen us in the opinion +of the world. If we will not see, we must be the dupes; we need not, +for we have in our own power, with the common blessing, the means of +everything we want. There is but one course now left to retrieve the +error, and that is to send a Minister to Vienna with power to make a +treaty with both the Imperial Courts. Congress must send a Minister +first, or it will never be done. The Emperor never sends first, nor +will England ever send a Minister to America, until Congress shall +have sent one to London. + +To form immediate commercial connexions with that half of Europe, +which ever has been, and with little variations ever will be, opposite +to the House of Bourbon, is a fundamental maxim of that system of +American politics, which I have pursued invariably from the beginning +of this war. It is the only means of preserving the respect of the +House of Bourbon itself; it is the only means in conjunction with our +connexions with the House of Bourbon, already formed, to secure us the +respect of England for any length of time, and to keep us out of +another war with that kingdom. It is, in short, the only possible +means of securing to our country that peace, neutrality, impartiality, +and indifference in European wars, which, in my opinion, we shall be +unwise in the last degree, if we do not maintain. It is, besides, the +only way in which we can improve and extend our commercial connexions +to the best advantage. + +With great respect, I am, + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO ELIAS BOUDINOT, PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 8th, 1783. + + Sir, + +Yesterday morning Mr Jay informed me, that Dr Franklin had received, +and soon after the Doctor put into my hands, the resolution of +Congress of the 1st of May,[13] ordering a commission and instructions +to be prepared to those gentlemen and myself for making a Treaty of +Commerce with Great Britain. This resolution, with your Excellency's +letter, arrived very seasonably, as Mr Hartley was setting off for +London with information from us, that our powers were executed. + +I am very sensible of the honor, that is done me by this resolution of +Congress, and of the great importance of the business committed to our +care; and shall not, therefore, hesitate to take a part in it. I can +attend to this business, and at the same time have some care of your +affairs in Holland; and in case the present loan should be full in the +course of the next winter, I can open a new one, either by going to +Amsterdam, or by having the obligation sent to me in Paris to be +signed. In this way there will be no additional expense to the public, +as I have informed M. Dumas, that there must be no expense made at the +Hague on my account, or on account of Congress, but that all his +expenses must be borne by himself, or he must at least settle them +with Congress. I have so much regard for this gentleman, and such an +opinion of his worth and merit, that I cannot but recommend him upon +this occasion to Congress, for the commission of Secretary of that +Legation, but as economy is and ought to be carefully attended to, I +presume not to point out the salary, which will be proper. There are +so many ways of pillaging public men in Europe, that it will be +difficult for Congress to conceive the expenses, which are unavoidable +in these countries. + +If the principle of economy should restrain Congress from sending +Ministers to Vienna, Petersburg, Copenhagen and Lisbon, they will +probably send a commission to Paris to negotiate treaties there, +because I think it will appear to be of great importance, both in a +political and commercial light, to have treaties with these powers. If +this should be the case, as three of us will be now obliged to attend +at Paris the tedious negotiation with every Court, we can all at the +same time and with the same expense attend to the negotiations with +the other powers; which will afford to all an opportunity of throwing +in any hints, which may occur for the public good, and will have a +much better appearance in the eyes of Europe and America. I do not +hesitate, therefore, to request, that if such a commission or +commissions should be sent, that all your Ministers in Europe may be +inserted in it. If the arrangement should make any difficulty in +America, it will make none with me; for although I think there was +good reason for the order in which the names stand in the new +commission for peace, and in the resolution for a new commission for a +treaty of commerce, that reason will not exist in any future +commission. + +Mr Hartley's powers are sufficient to go through the negotiation with +us, and I suppose it will be chiefly conducted at Paris, yet we may +all think it proper to make a tour to London, for a few weeks +especially, in case any material obstacle should arise. We are told, +that such a visit would have a good effect at Court and with the +nation; at least, it seems clear it would do no harm. + +With the greatest respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, Sir, +your most obedient and most humble servant, + + JOHN ADAMS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[13] "Ordered, That a commission be prepared to John Adams, Benjamin +Franklin, and John Jay, authorising them, or either of them in the +absence of the others, to enter into a treaty of commerce between the +United States of America and Great Britain, subject to the revisal of +the contracting parties previous to its final conclusion; and, in the +meantime, to enter into a commercial convention, to continue in force +one year." + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 8th, 1783. + + Sir, + +As the resolution of Congress of the 1st of May has determined it to +be my duty to remain in Europe, at least another winter, I shall be +obliged to say many things to your Excellency by letter, which I +hoped to have had the honor of saying upon the floor of your house. +Some of these things may be thought at first of little consequence, +but time, and inquiry, and consideration, will show them to have +weight. Of this sort, is the subject of this letter. + +The views and designs, the intrigues and projects of Courts, are let +out by insensible degrees, and with infinite art and delicacy in the +gazettes. + +These channels of communication are very numerous; and they are +artificially complicated in such a manner, that very few persons are +able to trace the sources from whence insinuations and projects flow. +The English papers are an engine, by which everything is scattered all +over the world. They are open and free. The eyes of mankind are fixed +upon them. They are taken by all Courts and all politicians, and by +almost all gazetteers. Of these papers, the French emissaries in +London, even in time of war, but especially in time of peace, make a +very great use; they insert in them things which they wish to have +circulated far and wide. Some of the paragraphs inserted in them will +do to circulate through all Europe, and some will not do in the +_Courier de l'Europe_. This is the most artful paper in the world; it +is continually accommodating between the French and English Ministry. +If it should offend the English essentially, the Ministry would +prevent its publication; if it should sin against the French +unpardonably, the Ministry would instantly stop its circulation; it +is, therefore, continually under the influence of the French +Ministers, whose under-workers have many things translated into it +from the English papers, and many others inserted in it originally, +both to the end, that they may be circulated over the world, and +particularly that they may be seen by the King of France, who reads +this paper constantly. From the English papers and the _Courier de +l'Europe_, many things are transferred into various other gazettes, +the _Courier du Bas Rhin_, the _Gazette de Deux Ponts_, the _Courier +d'Avignon_, and the _Gazette des Pays Bas_. The Gazettes of Leyden and +Amsterdam, are sometimes used for the more grave and solid objects, +those of Deux Ponts and d'Avignon for popular topics, the small talk +of coffee-houses, and still smaller and lower circles. + +All these papers and many others discover a perpetual complaisance for +the French Ministry, because they are always in their power so +entirely, that if an offensive paragraph appears, the entrance and +distribution of the gazette may be stopped by an order from Court, by +which the gazetteer loses the sale of his paper in France, which is a +great pecuniary object. Whoever shall hereafter come to Europe in any +public employment, and take in the papers above enumerated, will +acknowledge his obligations to me for mentioning them. He will find +them a constant source of amusement, and sometimes of useful +discoveries. I may hereafter possibly entertain Congress with some +curious speculations from these gazettes, which have all their +attention fixed upon us, and very often honor us with their +animadversions, sometimes with their grave counsels, but oftener still +with very subtle and sly insinuations. + +With great respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Paris, September 10th, 1783. + + Sir, + +As I am to remain in Europe for some time longer, I beg leave to take +a cursory view of what appears necessary or expedient to be further +done in Europe; for I conceive it to be not only the right but the +duty of a Foreign Minister, to advise his Sovereign, according to his +lights and judgments, although the more extensive information and +superior wisdom of the Sovereign, may frequently see cause to pursue a +different conduct. + +With Spain no doubt Congress will negotiate by a particular Minister, +either the present one or another, and perhaps it would be proper that +the same should treat with Naples. With the two Empires, Prussia, +Denmark, Portugal, Sardinia and Tuscany, I humbly conceive, it might +be proper to negotiate, and perhaps with Hamburg; but there are other +powers with whom it is more necessary to have treaties than it ought +to be, I mean Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli. + +I presume that Congress will not think it expedient to be at the +expense of sending Ministers to all these powers, if to any. Perhaps +in the present state of our finances it may not be worth while to send +any. Yet the present time is the best to negotiate with all. I submit +it to consideration then, whether it is not advisable to send a +commission to such Minister as you judge proper, with full powers to +treat with all, to the Ministers now in Paris, or to any others. But I +humbly conceive, that if powers to treat with all or any of these +States are sent to any of your Ministers now here, it would be for the +public good, that they should be sent to all. If Congress can find +funds to treat with the Barbary Powers, the Ministers here are the +best situated, for they should apply to the Court of Versailles and +their High Mightinesses in the first place, that orders should be sent +to their Consuls according to treaties to assist us. Ministers here +may carry on this negotiation by letters, or may be empowered to send +an agent if necessary. I have no private interest in this business. My +salary will be the same, my expenses more, and labor much increased by +such a measure. But as it is of public importance, I think, that no +unnecessary delicacies should restrain me from suggesting these hints +to Congress. Whatever their determination may be, will be satisfactory +to me. + +I have the honor to be, with the greatest respect, your Excellency's, +&c. + + JOHN ADAMS. + + + + +THE + +CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN JAY; + + +MINISTER PLENIPOTENTIARY TO THE COURT OF SPAIN, AND ONE OF THE +COMMISSIONERS FOR NEGOTIATING PEACE. + + + + +John Jay was a member of the first Congress, which assembled at +Philadelphia in September, 1774, having been, with four other persons, +chosen a delegate from the city and county of New York. He was also in +the Congress of the following year, but after the organization of the +government of New York he was made Chief Justice of the State, and +retired from Congress. On the 21st of October, 1778, even while he +held the office of Chief Justice, he was elected by the Assembly a +delegate to Congress for a specific object, till the first of March +following. The Assembly at the same time declared, that by the +constitution of New York both these stations were consistent with each +other. + +Mr Jay joined the Congress on the 7th of December, and was elected +President of that body three days afterwards, as the successor of +Henry Laurens. He discharged this office with great dignity and credit +to himself till September 27th, 1779, when he was appointed Minister +Plenipotentiary to negotiate a treaty of amity and alliance with +Spain. He sailed for France about the first of November in the same +ship with M. Gerard, who had been the late French Minister in the +United States. Accidents at sea compelled the Captain of the vessel to +put into Martinique, whence Mr Jay sailed in another vessel for +Europe, and arrived at Cadiz on the 22d of January, 1780. Here he +remained between two and three months, and then proceeded to Madrid, +and entered on the duties of his mission. + +The two principal objects, which Mr Jay was instructed to obtain, were +a grant of aids in money and military supplies from Spain, to assist +in prosecuting the war against the common enemy, and a treaty between +Spain and the United States. After encountering for more than two +years innumerable embarrassments, vexatious delays, cold treatment, +and a provoking indifference, that would have exhausted the patience, +if not ruffled the temper of most men, he met with very little success +in the former object, and none at all in the latter. The Spanish Court +seemed nowise inclined to recognize the independence of the United +States, or to show them any substantial marks of friendship, and yet +there was evidently a willingness to keep on terms, and be prepared to +act according to the issue of events. Tardy promises of money were +made by the Minister, which he was reluctant to fulfil, and it was +with extreme difficulty at last, that Mr Jay succeeded in procuring +from his Catholic Majesty the pitiful loan of one hundred and fifty +thousand dollars. In the treaty he made no progress, but was put off +from time to time, with pretences as frivolous as they were insincere. +He was never received in his public capacity, nor in any other +character than that of a private gentleman empowered to act as Agent +for the United States. In short, it must be confessed, that the +conduct of Spain, in regard to this country during the revolutionary +war, was not such as to inspire the gratitude or respect of succeeding +generations. + +Meantime, on the 13th of June, 1781, Mr Jay was chosen one of the +Commissioners for negotiating a peace, when the parties at war should +be prepared for such an event. Having already made considerable +progress with Mr Oswald in the treaty; and being persuaded that the +British government were in earnest as to their professed desire for +peace, Dr Franklin wrote to Mr Jay requesting him to repair to Paris, +and join in the negotiation. He arrived in that city on the 23d of +June, 1782, and shortly afterwards engaged in the duties of his +commission with his colleague. Mr Adams did not arrive till the 26th +of October. The preliminary articles were signed on the 30th of +November. + +Mr Jay continued in Europe the year following, and signed, with the +other Commissioners, the Definitive Treaty, September 3d, 1783. +Several months previously he had asked permission to return home, but +he did not embark till June 1st, 1794. He arrived in New York on the +24th of July following. + +It having been understood that he would soon return, Congress had +elected him Secretary of Foreign Affairs on the 7th of May, as +successor to Mr Livingston, who had resigned some time before. He +accepted this appointment, and took charge of the office, which he +filled with the same dignity and ability, that had marked his conduct +in every public station. + + + + +THE CORRESPONDENCE + +OF + +JOHN JAY. + + + INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY, MINISTER FOR NEGOTIATING + A TREATY WITH SPAIN. + + In Congress, September 29th, 1779. + + Sir, + +By the treaties subsisting between his Most Christian Majesty and the +United States of America, a power is reserved to his Catholic Majesty +to accede to the said treaties, and to participate in their +stipulations, at such time as he shall judge proper, it being well +understood, nevertheless, that if any of the stipulations of the said +treaties are not agreeable to the Court of Spain, his Catholic Majesty +may propose other conditions analogous to the principal aim of the +alliance, and conformable to the rules of equality, reciprocity, and +friendship. Congress is sensible of the friendly regard to these +States manifested by his Most Christian Majesty, in reserving a power +to his Catholic Majesty of acceding to the alliance entered into +between his Most Christian Majesty and these United States; and, +therefore, that nothing may be wanting on their part to facilitate +the views of his Most Christian Majesty, and to obtain a treaty of +alliance, and of amity and commerce with his Catholic Majesty, have +thought proper to anticipate any propositions, which his Catholic +Majesty might make on that subject, by yielding up to him those +objects, which they conclude he may have principally in view; and for +that purpose have come to the following resolution; + +That if his Catholic Majesty shall accede to the said treaties, and, +in concurrence with France and the United States of America, continue +the present war with Great Britain for the purpose expressed in the +treaties aforesaid, he shall not thereby be precluded from securing to +himself the Floridas; on the contrary, if he shall obtain the Floridas +from Great Britain, these United States will guaranty the same to his +Catholic Majesty; provided always, that the United States shall enjoy +the free navigation of the river Mississippi into and from the sea. + +You are, therefore, to communicate to his Most Christian Majesty the +desire of Congress to enter into a treaty of alliance, and of amity +and commerce with his Catholic Majesty, and to request his favorable +interposition for that purpose. At the same time, you are to make such +proposal to his Catholic Majesty, as in your judgment, from +circumstances, will be proper for obtaining for the United States of +America equal advantages with those, which are secured to them by the +treaties with his Most Christian Majesty; observing always the +resolution aforesaid as the ultimatum of the United States. + +You are particularly to endeavor to obtain some convenient port or +ports below the thirtyfirst degree of north latitude, on the river +Mississippi, for all merchant vessels, goods, wares, and merchandises, +belonging to the inhabitants of these States. + +The distressed state of our finances, and the great depreciation of +our paper money, inclined Congress to hope that his Catholic Majesty, +if he shall conclude a treaty with these States, will be induced to +lend them money; you are, therefore, to represent to him the great +distress of these States on that account, and to solicit a loan of +five millions of dollars upon the best terms in your power, not +exceeding six per cent per annum, effectually to enable them to +co-operate with the allies against the common enemy. But before you +make any propositions to his Catholic Majesty for a loan, you are to +endeavor to obtain a subsidy in consideration of the guarantee +aforesaid.[14] + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[14] The above is the form in which the instructions were reported by +a committee. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 20th, 1779. + + Sir, + +This is the only opportunity of transmitting a letter to Philadelphia +since our arrival; and as the route, which this is to take, will be +very circuitous and doubtful, it will be short and general. + +Having lost our bowsprit, all our masts, and many of our sails, as +well as split our rudder, off the Banks of Newfoundland, we steered +for this Island, and arrived yesterday afternoon. The Governor and +Admiral are at Port Royal. They are informed of our being here, and I +shall see them either at this or that place, according as we shall +find it to be their intention to come to the one, or remain at the +other. Till then, it must continue doubtful, whether we shall be able +to obtain a passage in a French frigate, or speedily refit our own; +neither of which can be done without the interposition of government. + +Two days hence, a vessel will sail for St Eustatia. I shall write more +particularly by her, and it is more than probable, that those letters +will come to hand before this. + +Yesterday, a fleet of twentyfive merchant-men under the convoy of a +frigate, bound from France to this place, were attacked on the +southern coast of Martinique, near Port Royal, by a number of the +enemy's ships of war from St Lucia. Fourteen merchant-men were +captured, and two driven on shore. The rest escaped during a very +severe action between three line of battle ships under Monsieur le +Motte Piquet, (who went from Port Royal to their relief) and double +the number of the enemy. This intelligence was communicated to me this +morning by the commanding officer here. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 22d, 1779. + + Sir, + +By a message received yesterday afternoon from the Marquis de Boullie, +I find there is no reason to expect him or the Admiral here very soon. +We shall, therefore, set out for Port Royal early tomorrow morning, +and endeavor to get our ship refitted as soon as possible. She will +follow us in a day or two, and, as the enemy's ships of war are +frequently cruising near the Island, she will go under convoy; four of +them are now in sight of this town. + +It seems agreed on all hands, that the expense of refitting the +Confederacy will be very considerable. To reduce this matter to +greater certainty, I have desired the captain to make out an estimate +of his wants; he promised to prepare it, and give me a copy this +evening. If I receive it before nine o'clock, it will accompany this +letter, otherwise it will be transmitted by the next conveyance. + +The agent here tells me, he is without cash, and in debt on the public +account. I fear he has been neglected. I shall, however, defer saying +anything further on his subject till I shall be better informed. +Should an opportunity offer of writing to your Excellency from Port +Royal, I shall embrace it, if not, I shall take the first after my +return. As the government here will, I hope, advance the money +necessary for preparing the frigate for sea, I am anxious that you may +have the earliest intelligence of it, that timely provision may be +made for the payment. + +Of the fleet mentioned in my letter of the 20th instant, only nine +were taken or destroyed. + +_7 o'clock._--I had written thus far, when Captain Harding called upon +me. He has made out an estimate of the ship's wants, and given it to +Mr Bingham, without having made a copy for me, which it is now too +late to do to go by this vessel. + +On our return from Port Royal, the captain will transmit particular +accounts of everything respecting the ship, which he ought to +communicate. He has been too much engaged to prepare his despatches to +go by this vessel, and, therefore, postpones writing for the present, +especially as he would have leisure only to repeat the general account +of our misfortune contained in my letter. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 24th, 1779. + + Sir, + +My former letters to your Excellency of the 20th and 22d instant, (a +triplicate of the former, and a duplicate of the latter are herewith +enclosed) have already informed Congress of the disaster, which +imposed upon us the necessity of coming hither. But as that necessity +has been and still continues the subject of much inquiry and +investigation, it is proper that the facts from which it arose be +minutely stated. + +On the 7th day of November last, between the hours of five and six in +the morning, in latitude 41 03 N. and longitude 50 39 W. the Captain +being in bed indisposed, and the master and second lieutenant on deck, +the ship going nine knots an hour in a brisk breeze and rough sea, but +by no means hard weather, her bowsprit and all her masts gave way in +less than three minutes. The day was employed in clearing the ship of +the wreck, and getting up a little sail; towards evening a heavy gale +came on. During the night, the tiller was lashed fast, and she lay too +very well, the wind blowing hard at south east. The next morning the +shank of the rudder was found to be so much wrenched and split, that +the Captain then told me he thought it a greater misfortune than the +loss of the masts. There were two French gentlemen on board, who, it +was said, and I believe with truth, were well skilled in maritime +affairs, having been bred to that business from their infancy, viz. +Monsieur Roche, a Knight of the Order of St Louis, and a Captain +Remuy, of Marseilles. Either this day or the next, I am not certain +which, M. Gerard remarked to me, that without any previous counsel, +it seemed to be the unanimous opinion of all the naval officers on +board to go to the West Indies, and that he believed it would be best, +though he said he was at first inclined to oppose it. The first +expedient to steer the ship was by the cable and a spar; below the +split in the rudder there was a bolt with two rings, to which it had +been intended to fix a chain for the purpose of steering the ship in +case of such accidents, but the fixing the chains had been omitted; +through this ring the Captain passed a chain, and to each end of it +fastened a strong rope, which was conducted over the quarters, and +this was the second mode of steering her; but from the uncommon +breadth of the rudder by which its power became unusually great, and +the acuteness of the angle between it and the chains rendering a +greater force necessary than if it had approached nearer to a right +angle; the bolt, though to appearance a good one, broke nearly in the +middle, and came out. + +It seems the rudder of this ship was hung after she had been launched, +and that to do it the more easily an eyebolt had been fixed in each +side of the rudder below the shank; to these eyebolts two chains were +then fixed, which crossing the edge of the rudder in opposite +directions, were fastened to pennants made of cordage, provided for +the breechings of our twelve pounders. These pennants passed through +blocks at the end of spars, run out of the ports of the cabin. From +thence they were led through blocks in opposite ports of the main deck +to the capstan, by means of which they were very conveniently managed, +and the ship without much difficulty steered. Such however was the +force and wear they underwent before our arrival in calmer latitudes +and smoother seas, that they generally gave way every day or two; and +the Captain tells me, no less than six hundred weight of that cordage +has been consumed in that service. + +So great was the swell off the Banks, and so high, though not severe +the winds, that near a fortnight elapsed before the ship was put in +her present condition for sailing. The same obstacles also retarded +the repairing of the rudder, which after all was so weak that it was +not thought advisable to steer by the tiller, and to prevent any +further injury from its striking against the ship, which it constantly +did in calm weather, bags stuffed with oakum were placed on each side +of it, and a man employed night and day to tend them. + +Some days before the 23d day of November, the Captain told me, he +thought it advisable to call a council of his officers, and submit to +their consideration the propriety of continuing our course towards +Europe. M. Gerard shortly after mentioned to me the sitting of this +council, and said, he could assure me that the Chevalier Roche and +Monsieur Remuy would not give their opinions on the subject but in +writing, and on being requested to do it in writing by the Captain. +This intelligence appeared to me extraordinary, but as it was not +necessary that my sentiments relative to it should be known, I made no +reply to M. Gerard, but by degrees turned the conversation to another +subject; nor did I give the least hint of it to the Captain, but +observed a perfect silence relative to it. It appeared to me that +those gentlemen either overrated their importance, or entertained +improper ideas of the merit of our officers, and I confess it gave me +pleasure to hear that they were not consulted at all. + +The council of officers was held the 23d of November last. The +Captain gave me their report, together with a return of the provisions +and water on board, and assured me of his readiness to proceed to any +port whatever, that M. Gerard and myself should direct. I gave these +papers to M. Gerard, and although I did not think it expedient by +consulting the French officers to give them reason to suppose, that I +concurred in sentiments with them as to the importance of their +opinions, yet I told M. Gerard, I was well satisfied he should +communicate to them the report of our officers, and obtain their +sentiments on the question stated in it, and the better to enable him +to do it, I proposed that we should postpone the discussion of the +subject till the next day, or longer if necessary. He took the papers, +said it was very well, and that he would speak to those gentlemen. A +day or two after, being on deck, M. Gerard took me aside and gave me +the papers, telling me he had seen these gentlemen, and that they both +declined giving any opinion about it; that they had always been, and +still were, ready to do anything for the benefit of the ship; that had +they been requested to give their opinions while the matter was in +agitation, they would have done it; that it was now over, and +determined; that under these circumstances their opinion would be of +no avail, and that they did not choose, by declaring their sentiments, +either to confirm the report, or give it ineffectual opposition. M. +Gerard further intimated, that those gentlemen seemed to think their +giving their advice in the course of our troubles had given offence to +the officers of the ship; but I had never reason to think their +apprehensions well founded. Upon this conduct of those gentlemen, I +briefly observed to M. Gerard, that as they were passengers, we had +no right to demand their opinions, and that they had a right to +withhold them, or not, as they pleased, and for such reasons as they +might think proper; but that as the Captain of the ship had been +directed by the marine committee to obey such orders as he should +receive from us, it was necessary that in the present conjuncture we +should decide on the report; that the Captain, in my opinion, would +not be justifiable in further pursuing his course against the solemn +and unanimous opinion of all the officers, unless by our express +orders; and he would be culpable in changing it, without a previous +application to us for direction. M. Gerard observed, that he was +sensible of the honor done him by the order alluded to, but that it +was not convenient to him to give any opinion or direction on the +subject. It did not appear to me prudent to reply to this, and +therefore I took the first opportunity of turning the conversation to +another topic. As this circumstance prevented the Captain's receiving +any positive orders from us on the subject, he was of course left to +pursue his own judgment, but being desirous of my opinion, I gave it +to him, in the manner endorsed on the report of the council, of which +a copy is herewith enclosed. + +The reasons on which this opinion was grounded are, in part, contained +in this report, but there were others not mentioned in it. That +Congress may the better judge of their force, it is necessary that +they be informed of some previous circumstances. + +The first fair day after losing our masts, I went to the door of M. +Gerard's room on the deck, which was open, to bid him good morning. +Chevalier Roche was with him; they were conversing on the course most +proper for us to steer, and the port most proper to make for. M. +Gerard was for going to Cadiz; he had an excellent set of charts, and +he had then one of the Atlantic Ocean, with its American, European, +and African Coasts, and the intervening islands, before him. By the +assistance of this map we perfectly understood his reasoning. The +Chevalier at that time inclined to the West Indies, and I heard him, +on leaving the room, tell M. Gerard, that to endeavor to get to Europe +in the present condition of the ship, would be to "_run a very great +risk of perishing in the ocean_." Some time after this, M. Gerard +perceiving that I had adopted no decided opinion on the subject, (and +that was really the case) in the course of an evening he spent with us +in the cabin, (none of the officers of the ship being present) desired +me to attend particularly to his several reasons for going to Cadiz, +and consider them maturely before I made up my judgment. I promised +him to do it, and was as good as my word. He proceeded to observe; + +1st. That the distance to Cadiz and to Martinique differed but little, +and that no weighty argument could be drawn from this difference. + +2dly. That between us and Cadiz lay the Western and Canary Islands, +into some one or other of which we might run, if necessary. + +3dly. That if, on our arrival at either of these Islands, it should +appear impracticable or imprudent to proceed further, our persons at +least would be safe, and we might get to Europe in one of the many +vessels, which frequent those Islands; whereas, on the other hand, +there were no Islands between us and Martinique, and we should, in +steering southward, be obliged to run all that distance without +finding any place by the way, at which we might touch, or, in case of +danger, find shelter. + +4thly. That if calmer seas were our object, we should find them in +going eastward as well as southward; that we must not expect to meet +with the trade winds at that season but in a very remote southern +latitude; that in crossing the latitude of Bermudas, we should meet +with heavy squalls, and bad weather; that in the latitude between that +and the trade winds, we must expect variable winds, and particularly +long calms, which are often more dangerous, and more to be dreaded +than hard winds. + +5thly. That in a voyage to Cadiz, we should have nothing to apprehend +from the enemy, but to Martinique, everything. + +6thly. That if we should arrive safe at Martinique, we should probably +be detained there until next Spring; that the vessels, which usually +sail from thence for France every fall, would have departed before the +time we should reach the Island; that he had reason to believe it +would be very difficult, if not impracticable, to obtain a frigate, +and, among other reasons, urged the absence of Count d'Estaing, and +the improbability that any subordinate officer would undertake without +his orders to grant us one, even admitting what was very unlikely, +that one might be spared from the service. + +7thly. That the ship might remain long at Martinique without being +made ready for sea, for want of naval stores, provisions, &c. + +These were M. Gerard's reasons for our steering for Cadiz, by the way +of the Azores, and I do not remember to have afterwards heard an +additional one. Whether the French officers really thought them +conclusive, or whether they found it convenient to make a compliment +of their sentiments to a gentleman very able to serve them, is +uncertain; but I believe they in appearance inclined to M. Gerard's +opinion, and gave him implied reasons to think their sentiments +corresponded with his. + +The matter appeared to me in a serious light, and to require caution +on many accounts. Every consideration called me to Spain; private as +well as public good forbade a difference with M. Gerard. I had reason +to believe him well disposed towards me; I perceived, clearly, that he +could not with any patience admit the idea of being absent from Europe +at so important a season, and that he could scarcely treat with common +decency the reasons urged for going to Martinique. Hence it appeared +obvious, that should I be the means of his losing his objects, or +should any public inconveniences result from our not being in Europe +during the winter, I should be censured, not only by him, but by all +those who judge of the propriety of a measure only by its +consequences, of which number are the far greater part of mankind. +Thus circumstanced, I found myself in a very unpleasant situation, +without any way of extricating myself, but by agreeing to a sort of +middle proposal; viz. to order the Captain to land us on one of the +Western Islands, and then leave the ship to shift for herself. This +would have satisfied M. Gerard, and we should have been as good +friends as ever. I thought it my duty, however, to form my decision +carefully, and honestly, and abide by it firmly. It was that we should +proceed to Martinique. Some of the reasons for it are set forth in the +report of the council of officers. The whole together were briefly +these. + +1st. That the officers of the ship, including the carpenter, who were +to be presumed to be better judges than M. Gerard or myself, were of +opinion, that we ought not to attempt to go to Europe, and had this +reason stood single and unexplained, I should not readily have +ventured to reject it, especially as it appeared to me against the +interest of the officers to come to the West Indies, and I have heard +them constantly and uniformly regret the necessity of it; but I also +thought they decided on good grounds; for + +2dly. The rudder daily gave us infinite trouble, almost everyday a +pennant breaking, and on every such occasion the ship for some time +left to the direction of the wind and waves, a circumstance which +might be fatal in hard weather, and near land; the quantity of cordage +consumed in this way of steering; the doubt of our having sufficient +for the purpose without stripping the guns, which would thereby be +rendered useless; the rudder irons daily becoming more and more loose, +and, by the nails drawing out, opening a passage for the water into +the stem of the ship. By this circumstance our bread had been damaged; +the danger of our being obliged to get rid of the rudder entirely, and +steering only by the cable, which in northern seas, and winter season, +is very inadequate. This event would have arrived in case either of +the eye bolts in the rudder had given way, as the first mentioned one +had done, or the upper irons become entirely loose; and for this event +it was thought necessary to prepare, by removing the obstacles to +unhanging the rudder. Indeed the upper irons in the course of our +passage here, with fair winds and no storms, became so loose as to +render it necessary to lash the head of the rudder with ropes to a +bolt fixed for the purpose in the cabin floor. + +3dly. The sails we had left were bad, having been originally made, as +Mr Vaughan the second Lieutenant told me, of damaged canvass; they +frequently split; we had none to replace them, nor a sufficient stock +of twine to mend them, eight pounds only being left of the twenty odd +we brought from Philadelphia; nor were we much better supplied with +cordage, for which there was a daily demand and some of which was very +bad. + +4thly. Our jury masts were not calculated for hard weather, the +foremast being sprung a few feet below the top, and not able to endure +a hard storm. + +For these reasons the rough weather common in northern latitudes was +by all means to be avoided, and smooth seas sought. + +As to the conveniences to be derived from the Islands laying between +us and Cadiz, I took some pains to examine into that matter. We had +maps and descriptions of them all, and our master had been at many of +them. I found there was not a single harbor in any one of them in +which a ship could ride at anchor in every wind; on the contrary +neither of them has anything more than open roads, out of which it is +necessary for ships to make the best of their way, and put to sea +whenever certain winds blow, a task which our ship was very far from +being in condition to perform. + +From this and other circumstances it was evident we could not refit in +either of those Islands, not even so much as get a new rudder; for +admitting materials for the latter could be had, yet such was the +difficulty, if not impossibility, of hanging it in an open road, from +whence the ship was every moment exposed to the necessity of going to +sea by an unfavorable wind, that we could expect to derive no +advantage from these Islands, except the prospect of obtaining some +refreshments, which we could do without, and the value of which would +not have compensated for the risk of approaching them in our +condition. + +As to the idea of our steering that course with a view of being landed +on one of those Islands, and from thence going to Europe in another +vessel, leaving our own to her fate, no earthly consideration could +ever have reconciled me to it. The reasoning which was insisted on, +that our being seasonably in Europe was of more importance to the +United States than a frigate, and that in time of war, and for the +public good, lives were to be risked by sea as well as by land, was a +species of reasoning which applied to this case led to conclusions, +which never have been, and I pray God never may be, among my +principles of action. Had this plan of being landed on one of the +Azores or Canaries been adopted, we should have either landed the crew +with us or not; if the first, the frigate would have been given to +destruction. This appeared to me inconsistent with the public good, +because, if we reached Martinique, I had no doubt of a passage, and my +arrival in France eight weeks sooner or later did not appear to me of +equal importance to the United States with the frigate. Had the crew +been left on board, it must have been with a view of saving the ship, +either by her reaching Europe or the West Indies. The probability of +her effecting either became then a most important question, as the +lives of between two and three hundred Americans depended on the +event. Against it were opposed the dangers of the seas, and the want +of provisions; the former would have increased with the approach of +winter, and therefore the longer the ship was detained to the +northward, the more she had to suffer, and to fear. The frigate after +having landed us on either of the Islands, must either have gone on +towards Europe, or endeavored to get to the West Indies. + +All the considerations abovementioned opposed the first, and whoever +compares the time necessary for a voyage for a ship under jury masts, +and almost without a rudder, from the banks of Newfoundland to the +Azores or Canaries, and from thence to the West Indies, with our stock +of provisions, will find them inadequate to the purpose, and be +convinced of the cruelty of subjecting one's fellow citizens to such +extremities. For these reasons I positively refused to join in this +system. + +As to the position in favor of going to Europe, that we should find +the seas calmer as we advanced eastward, equally as we went southward, +all the officers of the ship testified against it, nor would they +admit that we had as much to dread from calms as from hard gales. The +supposed difficulty of obtaining a passage from Martinique made but +little impression on me. I could not suppose the Islands left +unprotected by ships of war, or that the commanding officer would +refuse to order a frigate on this service, if M. Gerard would +represent it to be of importance, which I was sure he would do. How +long our ship might be refitting here was not to be ascertained, but I +could not prevail upon myself to believe, that the King of France +would keep so considerable a fleet in those seas, without providing +for the usual accidents they would be exposed to from the sea and the +enemy. At the worst the ship would be in a safe port, and among a +people bound by treaties and by interest to afford aid and protection, +at least until Congress should be informed of her situation, and have +an opportunity of providing for her wants. As to ourselves, in case we +meet with the imagined difficulties respecting a passage, it would be +easy by passing over to St Eustatia to get very safely in a Dutch ship +to Holland. + +On these reasons the advice I gave to the captain to come here was +founded. I thought them right then, and was daily more and more +confirmed in an opinion of their propriety. In the course of our run +here, we had all the way fine, fair breezes; and, except in the +latitude of Bermuda, smooth seas and scarce any calms. The night +before we made the land, it was thought proper to lay the ship too, +after the moon set, which was between twelve and one o'clock, and she +continued in that position only four hours and a half. Such, however, +was the effect of it upon the rudder, and so much damage did it +receive from it, that had the ship continued as much longer in the +same state, it was agreed on all sides, that the rudder would have +been rendered useless. + +M. Gerard, hurt by being disappointed in his expectation of being +seasonably in France, and perhaps mortified at my preferring my own +sentiments to his, ceased to observe that cordiality and frankness, +which had before attended his conduct towards me. Nay, he once went +so far as to tell me I had my reasons for coming here. I appeared not +to understand him, and continued to endeavor to render the +conversation as light and general as possible. This was a tax imposed +on my feelings by regard to public good; as a private man, I should +have acted differently. + +Thus matters continued till about ten or twelve days before our +arrival here, when M. Gerard observed to me in the presence of the +captain, that it was time to think which side of the island of +Martinique it would be most prudent for the ship to go, the north or +south side, and proceeded to state the reasons which ought to induce +us to prefer the north; particularly, that in the present condition +of the ship, she would if she went to the south side be in great +danger of running by the island to the leeward; for that as we might +expect the wind at northeast, she would not be able to lay +sufficiently close to the wind, to reach Port Royal or St Pierre's; +besides, that she would be in danger of calms, and being in sight of +St Lucia, would be exposed to the enemy's ships of war, without having +reason to expect succor from any French ships of war; none of which, +he said, cruised off the eastern part of the island, between +Martinique and St Lucia. He then showed the advantages of going the +other side, by an enumeration of many circumstances, of which I have +notes, but which it would be too tedious to mention. The obvious +meaning of all this appeared to me to be, that we should direct the +captain to go to the northward of the island; but as I neither thought +myself authorised, nor found myself inclined to interfere with the +particular navigation of the ship, to which I was not competent, I +only observed to M. Gerard, that his reasoning appeared to me to have +weight; that it was a subject I did not understand, but that I thought +his observations merited attention. On this the captain remarked, and +I thought with propriety, that it was impossible to determine on which +side of the island it would be best to go, until we were at or near +the parting point, for that circumstances at present unforeseen might +render that way rash, which we might now think prudent; for instance, +an unexpected change in the wind, or the appearance of an enemy. He +therefore thought a decision on the question improper, till we arrived +off the eastern part of the island. This appeared to me so perfectly +reasonable, that I thought no more about the matter, and I did not +suspect that M. Gerard would have felt any further anxiety about it; +but it nevertheless so happened, that in the afternoon of the 14th +instant, there was a conversation in the cabin relative to a wager, +which of the two we should see first, land or a sail. In the course of +this conversation, M. Gerard observed, that it would depend on our +going on the north or south side of the island, and insensibly leaving +the subject of the wager, proceeded minutely to recapitulate his +reasons for the one, and his objections to the other. In the progress +of this disquisition, he grew warmer and warmer, and at length +addressing himself more particularly on the captain, said, he was +surprised that those facts and observations should meet with so little +attention; that he owed it to his conscience and personal safety to +mention and enforce them, and that he should represent the whole +matter to his Court, &c. The captain repeated what he had before said +relative to the impropriety of deciding on which side of the island we +were to go, until we had made the land, observed whether any vessels +were on the coast, and knew how the wind would be. He then questioned +some matters relative to the navigation round the island, on which M. +Gerard had insisted. + +For my own part, as the subject was so serious, I wished to be +informed of some others, which appeared to me to want explanation. The +captain had informed me, that the master had been at the taking of +Martinique last war, and was well acquainted with its bays, harbors, +and coasts. I desired the captain to send for the master, which was +immediately done. On this, M. Gerard more animated than usual, said, +he pretended to no extraordinary knowledge on the subject, but that he +had made inquiries, and was satisfied with the opinion he had given; +then repeated what he had before said, about his conscience, personal +safety, and Court, and was opening the door to go on deck, when I +asked him if he would not stay, and hear what the master had to say. +He said, no, he did not want to hear anything farther about it; he had +done his duty in delivering what he had to us, and we might do as we +pleased about the matter. I made no reply, but proceeded to examine +the master, and one of the lieutenants. On the whole it did not appear +to me necessary, but on the contrary invidious to give the captain any +positive orders on the subject; nor did I enter into any farther +conference respecting it with M. Gerard. I knew that no good would +result from altercation, and that the best way of treating +unreasonable propositions, cavalierly dictated, was silently to go my +own way, uninfluenced by them. + +This last business rendered M. Gerard still more dissatisfied with me. +We observed, nevertheless, and still observe great politeness towards +each other, but it proceeds more from the head than the heart. On +coming ashore, I flattered myself we should have left all these +controversies behind us; but this city was soon entertained with them. +The opinions of French officers were taken by M. Gerard about the +sufficiency of the rudder to have gone to Europe; the question about +the northern and southern navigation was stated and agitated. M. +Gerard claims the merit of having saved the ship, by having, as he +insinuates, dragged us into the measure of taking the northern +passage, &c. &c. As we are safe in the harbor, these matters are now +of no consequence, and therefore I constantly avoid the subject. How +they may be represented at Philadelphia is of some moment, and +therefore it appears to me expedient to trouble myself and Congress +with this narration. + +I cannot conclude this letter without expressing my satisfaction with +the attention and politeness observed by the captain and other +officers towards the passengers, as far at least as my knowledge +extends. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 25th, 1779. + + Sir, + +As singular instances of humanity and patriotism always merit, and +sometimes meet with public notice, I take the liberty of transmitting +to Congress a copy of the Rev. Mr Keith's narrative of the conduct of +a Mrs Smith, at New York, to the Americans there, who had been taken +at Fort Washington. + +Conversing, while at sea, with Mr Keith (our chaplain, who had been +one of those prisoners) respecting the cruelties exercised towards +them by the enemy, and the manner in which they were treated by the +inhabitants of the city, he mentioned the behavior of this Mrs Smith; +whose conduct appeared to me so remarkably liberal, disinterested, and +christianlike, that I desired him to commit it to paper, with a design +to enclose it to your Excellency. I know nothing more of this woman +than what Mr Keith told me; but, as from his profession and character +I am induced to credit what he says, I transmit this account of her, +that if, on further inquiry, it be found to be just, Congress may have +an opportunity of saving from poverty and distress a widow, who +generously divested herself of a decent maintenance, and applied it to +the relief of many citizens and servants of the United States, who +were then gloriously enduring the most extreme cruelties, for their +faithful attachment to the rights of their country and mankind. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 25th, 1779. + + Sir, + +I have done, what perhaps I shall be blamed for, but my pride as an +American, and my feelings as a man, were not on this occasion to be +resisted. The officers of the Confederacy were here without money, or +the means of getting any. The idea of our officers being obliged to +sneak, as they phrase it, from the company of French officers, for +fear of running in debt with them for a bottle of wine, or a bowl of +punch, because not able to pay for their share of the reckoning, was +too humiliating to be tolerable, and too destructive to that pride and +opinion of independent equality, which I wish to see influence all our +officers. Besides, some of them wanted necessaries too much to be +comfortable, or, in this country, decent. In a word, I have drawn on +the fund, pointed out for the payment of part of my salary, for one +hundred guineas in their favor, to be divided among them according to +their respective ranks. Indeed, it would have given me pleasure to +have done something towards covering the nakedness of the crew; but +the expense I have been put to by coming here; and the preparations +for another voyage, would not admit of it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Pierre's, Martinique, December 26th, 1779. + + Sir, + +On our arrival here, M. Gerard told me that he was about to write to +the Governor and Admiral at Port Royal, and asked me whether I also +chose to write, or would leave to him the necessary communication; +offering to mention to them whatever I might desire. As I was well +satisfied that he should take the lead in the business, I replied, +that I was obliged to him, but did not think it necessary for him to +communicate anything to those gentlemen from me, except our arrival, +and the confidence I had in their readiness to afford us aid. + +I thought it would have been improper to apply for a passage in one of +their ships, till I know in what time our own could be refitted, and +on this subject it appeared to me most advisable, that application +should be made by our agent here; and that I should reserve all +interference, till it should be rendered necessary by obstacles. Mr +Bingham accordingly wrote without delay to the Governor, and had +immediate and full assurances of his readiness to afford us every aid +in his power. Nothing now remained to be ascertained, but the time in +which the repairs could be made, and this depended on the state of +their naval stores. + +Mr Bingham went with us to Port Royal, on a visit to the officers of +government, (a compliment paid them by all strangers.) The Governor +again assured him, that everything should be done for the ship that +was possible, and some orders were given for the purpose. This passed, +I believe, without M. Gerard's knowledge. About two hours after our +arrival at Port Royal, he took me aside, observed that great +difficulties and delays would attend the Confederacy's refitting +there; that there were no masts or spars in store, and the expectation +of supplies uncertain; that an old mast of a merchant-man had been +purchased for one of their ships of war, and that a main yard for +another had been made of four pieces for want of a proper spar, and, +after some general hints about expenses, provision, &c. proposed, that +the frigate should be provided with a new rudder, and proceed to +America to refit. I objected, that, contrary to our expectations, the +English had an acknowledged superiority in these seas; that three +French frigates were at that instant flying from four ships of the +line, which were in full chase of them; that a frigate under jury +masts would find no safety in flight; that it would be more prudent +for Captain Harding to remain here without being refitted, till he +could get materials and supplies from America, or receive orders from +Congress, than expose his ship to such imminent danger, and, +therefore, that I could not possibly come into the measure he +proposed. + +M. Gerard replied, that she might be convoyed to sea by the French +squadron here; but this required no answer. It was not to be supposed, +that the French squadron, which, in their present state of +inferiority, choose to keep their eyes constantly on Port Royal, would +expose themselves to very unequal combat, for no higher object than +that of convoying the Confederacy seventy or eighty leagues off the +coast, or, that if they did, she would then be out of that degree of +danger, to which no ship in her condition ought to be exposed. +Besides, I could not reconcile it to the wisdom of France long to +leave their fleet here destitute of naval stores, or to disgust their +allies by a conduct neither just nor politic. We agreed to leave the +matter till the next day, when we expected to see the Admiral; but in +an hour or two afterwards the Admiral came in; and a very little time +elapsed when the Governor, and shortly after M. Gerard told me, the +"_whole arrangement_ was completed; that the same attention should be +paid to the Confederacy as if she had been a French frigate, and that +the Aurora, of thirty odd guns, should carry us to France." The fact +is, that the officers of government in general, and the Governor in +particular, are strongly attached to everything that is American. + +Our agent here is in high estimation. I really believe, from +everything I hear, that he has done his duty faithfully, and that he +well deserves the notice and approbation of Congress. This leads me to +take the liberty of remarking, that it would, probably, be much for +the public interest, if Congress were to pay off all private debts due +from them to subjects of France, and have none but national +engagements with that kingdom. The debts unavoidably contracted here, +for the outfit of the Deane, &c. ought certainly to be paid. Our +credit and reputation suffer from such delay. We sail tomorrow +morning, at six o'clock. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO ARTHUR LEE. + + Cadiz, January 26th, 1780. + + Sir, + +As a knowledge of the measures you may have taken and the information +you may have acquired, relative to the objects of your commission +from the United States of America to conclude treaties with his +Catholic Majesty, would probably enable me with greater facility and +advantage to execute the duties of my appointment, permit me, Sir, to +request the favor of you to communicate the same to me in such manner +as you may judge most prudent. + +I have in my possession some letters directed to you; they are +voluminous, and probably contain printed papers. They may also be +confidential and important to you. Under these circumstances I can +only judge of your inclination by what would be my own in a similar +situation. I should wish that they might be detained till I could have +an opportunity of directing the manner of their conveyance. Upon this +principle they shall remain among my papers till I receive your orders +what to do with them.[15] + +I am, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[15] See the answer to this letter in Arthur Lee's Correspondence, +Vol. II, p. 276. + + * * * * * + + TO THE COUNT DE VERGENNES. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +It is with very sensible pleasure that I commence a correspondence +with a Minister, of whose disposition and abilities to promote the +happiness of my country we have received repeated proofs, and on a +subject that affords His Most Christian Majesty an opportunity of +perceiving the desire and endeavors of the United States to become +cordial and steadfast friends and allies to an illustrious branch of +his royal house. + +By the treaties subsisting between His Most Christian Majesty and the +United States of America, His Most Christian Majesty, in consequence +of his intimate union with the King of Spain, did expressly reserve to +his Catholic Majesty the power of acceding to the said treaties, and +to participate in their stipulations at such time as he should judge +proper. It being well understood, nevertheless, that if any of the +said stipulations should not be agreeable to the King of Spain, his +Catholic Majesty might propose other conditions analogous to the +principal aim of the alliance, and conformable to the rules of equity, +reciprocity, and friendship. And the Deputy of the said States, +empowered to treat with Spain, did promise to sign, _on the first +requisition_ of his Catholic Majesty, the act or acts necessary to +communicate to him the stipulations of the treaties abovementioned, +and to endeavor in good faith the adjustment of the points in which +the King of Spain might propose any alteration, conformable to the +principles of equality, reciprocity, and perfect amity. + +But as the above reservation has always been no less agreeable to the +United States than to their great and good ally, both considerations +conspired in inducing them to make the first advances towards +attaining the object of it. And, therefore, instead of waiting till +the requisitions mentioned in the said article should be made, they +have thought proper to assure his Most Catholic Majesty, not only of +their readiness to comply with the terms of it, but of their desire to +obtain his confidence and alliance, by carrying it immediately into +execution on the most liberal principles. Trusting also that the same +wise reasons which induced his Most Christian Majesty to give birth +to the said article, would lead him to facilitate the endeavors of his +allies to execute it, they resolved that their desire to enter into +the said treaties should be communicated to his Majesty, and that his +favorable interposition should be requested. + +The more fully to effect these purposes, the Congress were pleased, in +September last, to do me the honor of appointing me their Minister +Plenipotentiary, and, in pursuance of this appointment, I sailed from +America for France on the 26th of October last, with M. Gerard, who +was so obliging as to wait till I could embark in the frigate assigned +for his service. After being thirteen days at sea, the frigate was +dismasted, and her rudder so much damaged that it was thought +imprudent to proceed on our voyage. We therefore steered for +Martinique, and arrived there on the 18th of December. I cannot, on +this occasion, forbear expressing my warmest acknowledgments for the +very polite attention and hospitality with which we were received and +treated, both by the officers of government and many respectable +inhabitants of that island. We left Martinique on the 28th day of the +same month, in the Aurora, in which I expected to have gone to Toulon, +but on touching at this place, it appeared that the further +prosecution of our voyage had become impracticable, without running +risks that could not be justified. + +Thus circumstanced, the respect due to his most Catholic Majesty +demanded an immediate communication of my appointment and arrival, +which I had the honor to make in a letter to his Excellency, Don +Joseph Galvez, of the Council of his Catholic Majesty, and general +Secretary of State for the Department of the Indies, of which the +enclosed is a copy. + +Will you, therefore, Sir, be so obliging as to lay this circumstance +before his Most Christian Majesty, and permit me through your +Excellency to assure him of the desire of Congress to enter into a +treaty of alliance, and of amity and commerce with his Catholic +Majesty, and to request his favorable interposition for that purpose? + +I am happy in being able to assure you, that the United States +consider a cordial union between France, Spain and them as a very +desirable and most important object, and they view the provision, +which his Most Christian Majesty has made for it by the abovementioned +article, not only as evinsive of his attention to his royal ally; but +of his regard to them. + +Under these views and these impressions, they are most sincerely +disposed, by the liberality and candor of their conduct, to render the +proposed treaties speedy in their accomplishment, and perpetual in +their duration. + +Your Excellency will receive this letter by M. Gerard, who is so +obliging as to take charge of it, and to whom the Congress have been +pleased to give such ample testimonies of their esteem and confidence, +as to enable him to exert his talents with great advantage on every +occasion interesting to them. + +I cannot conclude without indulging myself in the pleasure of +acknowledging how much we are indebted to the politeness and attention +of the Marquis de La Flolte and the other officers of the Aurora, +during the course of our voyage. + +With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO DON JOSEPH GALVEZ, MINISTER OF THE SPANISH COURT. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Permit me through your Excellency to have the honor of representing to +his most Catholic Majesty, that on the sixth day of February, 1778, +the respective Plenipotentiaries of his most Christian Majesty, and +the United States of America, by whom the treaties now subsisting +between them were concluded, did make and subscribe a secret article +in the words following, viz. + +"The Most Christian King declares, in consequence of the intimate +union which subsists between him and the King of Spain, that in +concluding with the United States of America this treaty of amity and +commerce, and that of eventual and defensive alliance, his Majesty had +intended, and intends to reserve expressly, as he reserves by this +present separate and secret act, to his Catholic Majesty, the power of +acceding to the said treaties and to participate in their +stipulations, at such time as he shall judge proper. It being well +understood, nevertheless, that if any of the stipulations of the said +treaties are not agreeable to the King of Spain, his Catholic Majesty +may propose other conditions analagous to the principal aim of the +alliance, and conformable to the rules of equality, reciprocity and +friendship. The deputies of the United States, in the name of their +constituents, accept the present declaration to its full extent; and +the deputy of the said States, who is fully empowered to treat with +Spain, promises to sign, on the first requisition of his Catholic +Majesty, the act or acts necessary to communicate to him the +stipulations of the treaties above written. And the said deputy shall +endeavor, in good faith, the adjustment of the points in which the +King of Spain may propose any alteration, conformable to the +principles of equality, reciprocity, and perfect amity; he the said +deputy not doubting but the person or persons, empowered by his +Catholic Majesty to treat with the United States, will do the same +with regard to any alterations of the same kind, that may be thought +necessary by the said Plenipotentiary of the United States." + +The Congress willing to manifest their readiness fully to comply with +an article, which they have reason to believe particularly agreeable +to their great and good ally, and being desirous of establishing +perpetual amity and harmony with a Prince and nation whom they greatly +respect, and with whom various circumstances lead them to wish for the +most cordial and permanent friendship, have thought proper to request +his most Catholic Majesty to accede to the said treaties, and thereby +preclude the necessity of that measure's originating in the manner +specified in the article. For this purpose they have done me the honor +to appoint me Minister Plenipotentiary, and directed me to communicate +to his Most Christian Majesty the desire of Congress on this subject, +and to request his favorable interposition. They also made it my duty +to give his Most Catholic Majesty the fullest assurances of their +sincere disposition to cultivate his friendship and confidence; and +authorised me, in their behalf, to enter into such treaties of +alliance, amity, and commerce, as would become the foundations of +perpetual peace to Spain and the United States, and the source of +extensive advantages to both. + +Thus commissioned I embarked without delay on board the frigate, which +had been appointed to carry the Sieur Gerard to France, and sailed +with him for that kingdom, from Pennsylvania, on the 26th day of +October last. + +But after having been thirteen days at sea, the frigate was dismasted, +and her rudder so greatly injured, as to oblige us to alter our course +and steer for Martinique. We arrived there on the 18th day of December +last; and sailed from thence on the 28th day of the same month in a +French frigate which was bound to Toulon, but had orders to touch at +this port for intelligence. We arrived here the 22d instant, and +received information of recent events, which rendered the further +prosecution of our voyage too hazardous to be prudent. + +Providence having thus been pleased to bring me directly to Spain, the +respect due to his most Catholic Majesty forbids me to postpone +communicating to him my appointment and arrival; and the same motive +will induce me to remain here till he shall be pleased to signify to +me his pleasure. For although nothing would afford me more sensible +pleasure, than the honor of presenting to his Majesty the despatches, +which I am charged by Congress to deliver to him, yet on this, as on +every other occasion, it shall be my study to execute the trust +reposed in me, in the manner most pleasing to his Majesty, agreeable +to the true intent and meaning of the article abovementioned. + +And that his most Christian Majesty may have the highest evidence of +the intention and desire of Congress fully and faithfully to execute +this article, I shall immediately do myself the honor of communicating +the same, together with my appointment and arrival; and I flatter +myself, that the request of Congress for his favorable interposition, +will meet with the same friendly attention, which he has uniformly +extended to all their concerns, and of which I am too sensible not to +derive the highest satisfaction from acknowledging it on every +occasion. + +Mr Carmichael, my Secretary, will have the honor of delivering this +despatch to your Excellency, as well as of giving every information in +his power to afford. This gentleman was a member of Congress at the +time of his appointment, and will be able more fully to express the +ardor with which the United States desire to establish a union with +France and Spain, on principles productive of such mutual attachment +and reciprocal benefits, as to secure to each the blessings of +uninterrupted tranquillity. + +I have the honor to be, with great consideration and respect, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +P. S. I do myself the honor of transmitting to your Excellency, +herewith enclosed, a copy of my letter to his Excellency the Count de +Vergennes. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +This morning M. Gerard set out from this city for France, and Mr +Carmichael, charged with despatches from me to the Spanish Ministry, +accompanies him as far as Madrid. + +We arrived here the 22d inst. and I have been so much engaged ever +since in preparing letters, &c. as not to have an opportunity of +writing circumstantially to your Excellency by Captain Proctor, who I +am told, is to sail early in the morning for the Delaware or +Chesapeake. + +We left Martinique on the 28th of December, in the Aurora frigate, +bound to Toulon. On touching here for intelligence we were informed +that the enemy had acquired a decided superiority in the +Mediterranean, and that the coast was infested by their cruisers, all +of whom we had fortunately escaped. Hence it became improper for me to +proceed to France by water, and it would in my opinion have been +indelicate, and therefore imprudent to have passed silently through +this kingdom to that, for the purpose of making a communication to his +most Christian Majesty, which could be fully conveyed by paper. On +this subject I shall take the liberty of making a few further remarks +in a future letter. + +Congress will be enabled to judge of the propriety and plan of my +conduct, from the papers herewith enclosed, viz. a copy of a letter to +M. Galvez, the Spanish Minister; a copy of a letter to the Count de +Vergennes; of both these I have sent copies to Dr Franklin; a copy of +a letter to Mr Arthur Lee; and a copy of my instructions to Mr +Carmichael. + +It is in pursuance of what appears to me to be my duty, that I shall +render frequent, particular, and confidential accounts of my +proceedings to Congress. I flatter myself care will be taken to +prevent the return of them to Europe. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + INSTRUCTIONS TO WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + Cadiz, January 27th, 1780. + +You will proceed to Madrid with convenient expedition, and, if M. +Gerard, with whom you set out, should travel too deliberately, I +advise you to go on before him. The propriety of this, however, will +depend much on circumstances, and must be determined by your own +discretion. + +On delivering my letter to M. Galvez, it would be proper to intimate, +that I presumed it would be more agreeable to him to receive my +despatches from you, who could give him information on many matters +about which he might choose to inquire, than in the ordinary modes of +conveyance. And it may not be amiss to let him know, that his not +receiving notice of our arrival from me by M. Gerard's courier, was +owing to a mistake between that gentleman and me. + +Treat the French Ambassador with great attention and candor, and that +degree of confidence only, which prudence, and the alliance between us +may prescribe. In your conversations with people about the Court, +impress them with an idea of our strong attachment to France; yet, so +as to avoid permitting them to imbibe an opinion of our being under +the _direction_ of any counsels but our own. The former will induce +them to think well of our constancy and good faith, the latter, of our +independence and self respect. + +Discover, if possible, whether the Courts of Madrid and Versailles +entertain, in any degree, the same mutual disgusts, which we are told +prevail at present between the two nations, and be cautious when you +tread on this delicate ground. It would also be useful to know who are +the King's principal confidants, and the trains leading to each. + +To treat prudently with any nation, it is essential to know the state +of its revenues. Turn your attention, therefore, to this object, and +endeavor to learn whether the public expenditures consume their +annual income, or whether there be any, and what overplus or +deficiency, and the manner in which the former is disposed of or the +latter supplied. + +If an opportunity should offer, inform yourself as to the regulations +of the press at Madrid, and, indeed, throughout the kingdom; and the +particular character of the person at the head of that department. +Endeavor to find some person of adequate abilities and knowledge in +the two languages, to translate English into Spanish with propriety, +and, if possible, elegance. I wish also to know, which of the +religious orders, and the individuals of it, are most esteemed and +favored at Court. + +Mention, as matter of intelligence, rather than in the way of +argument, the cruelties of the enemy, and the influence of that +conduct on the passions of Americans. This will be the more necessary, +as it seems we are suspected of retaining our former attachments to +Britain. + +In speaking of American affairs, remember to do justice to Virginia, +and the western country near the Mississippi. Recount their +achievements against the savages, their growing numbers, extensive +settlements, and aversion to Britain, for attempting to involve them +in the horrors of an Indian war. Let it appear also from your +representations, that ages will be necessary to settle those extensive +regions. + +Let it be inferred from your conversation, that the expectations of +America, as to my reception and success, are sanguine; that they have +been rendered the more so by the suggestions of persons generally +supposed to speak from authority, and that a disappointment would be +no less unwelcome than unexpected. + +I am persuaded, that pains will be taken to delay my receiving a +decided answer as to my reception, until the sentiments of France +shall be known. Attempts will also be made to suspend the +acknowledgment of our independence, on the condition of our acceding +to _certain_ terms of treaty. Do nothing to cherish either of these +ideas; but, without being explicit, treat the latter in a manner +expressive of regret and apprehension, and seem to consider my +reception as a measure, which we hoped would be immediately taken, +although the business of the negotiation might be postponed till +France could have an opportunity of taking the steps she might think +proper on the occasion. + +You will offer to transmit to me any despatches, which M. Galvez may +think proper to confide to you; or to return with them yourself, if +more agreeable to him. + +You will be attentive to all other objects of useful information, such +as the characters, views, and connexions of important individuals; the +plan of operations for the next campaign; whether any, and what secret +overtures have been made by Britain to France, or Spain, or by either +of them to her, or each other; whether any of the other powers have +manifested a disposition to take a part in the war; and whether it is +probable that any, and which of them, will become mediators for a +general peace, and on what plan. If the war should continue, it would +be advantageous to know whether Spain means to carry on any serious +operations for possessing herself of the Floridas, and banks of the +Mississippi, &c. &c. &c. + +Although I have confidence in your prudence, yet permit me to +recommend to you the greatest circumspection. Command yourself under +every circumstance; on the one hand, avoid being suspected of +servility, and on the other, let your temper be always even, and your +attention unremitted. + +You will oblige me by being very regular and circumstantial in your +correspondence, and commit nothing of a private nature to paper unless +in cypher. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL TO JOHN JAY. + + Madrid, February 15th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +I arrived in this city late in the evening of the 11th, after a +tedious and disagreeable journey. The next day, although much +indisposed, I waited on the French Ambassador, who had by a message +over night, requested M. Gerard to engage me to dinner. I was received +by him and all his family in the most friendly manner, and was offered +every service in his power, to render us without those personal +professions, which give birth to many unmeaning words and more +suspicion. Indeed, I have neither expressions nor time to represent +the apparent candor and liberality of his sentiments. He entered fully +into the good disposition of his Court, and informed me, that the +King, as a further proof of his friendship for us, had agreed to pay +us annually the additional sum of three millions of livres during the +continuance of the war, in order to enable us to purchase the +necessaries for our army, &c. &c. and that his Majesty had also +determined to send a considerable marine and land force early in the +year to America, to be at the disposition and under the direction of +our General. Seventeen sail of the line, and four thousand troops, are +also to be sent to the West Indies, if they have not already sailed. +Judge after this, if attention, candor, and apparent unreservedness, +were not the more necessary on my part. + +On inquiring, I found that M. Galvez was at the Pardo, about two +leagues from Madrid, where the King resides at present, and in the +course of conversation discovered, that the proper channel of address +ought to have been through the Count de Florida Blanca. + +The Ambassador offered to introduce me, but as this could not be done +with propriety without previous application, he undertook to make it +the day following, and to fix the time for my reception by both, and I +think the manner will be the sole difficulty. + +Among other circumstances, which induce this conclusion, is the +certain knowledge I have obtained, that M. Mirales received +instructions several months past to enter into engagements with +Congress, to take into pay a body of troops to assist in the conquest +of Florida. Your own good sense will point out the use, which may be +made of this intelligence. It answers to the point of the +instructions, which I had the honor to receive from you. The short +time I have been in this city has not hitherto given me an opportunity +of writing so circumstantially as I could wish, in the matters +abovementioned, and much less of giving a decided opinion on many +objects contained in your instructions. I find, however, hitherto no +difficulty in acquiring in time a knowledge on most of the subjects +recommended to my attention. + +I have reason to believe, that the same disgusts do not subsist +between the Crowns as between the nations, but the most perfect +harmony and good understanding. + +I have been positively assured, and from good authority, that no +overtures have been made for peace. + +The Dutch are arming, which is a circumstance in our favor, as their +preparations originate from their discontent with England, on account +of the late affair of the convoy. + +Mr Harrison is here, and proposes to proceed to Cadiz next week, which +will furnish me a good opportunity of writing to you. I enclose you +the last paper received from America; the people were in high spirits, +and everything in a good state in the beginning of January. + +I cannot conclude without mentioning the very polite manner in which +the French Ambassador offered his personal civilities in everything, +that depended on him, to be useful to you in this place. + +M. Gerard will write to you himself, yet I must do him the justice to +mention his personal kindness to me, and the candid representations he +has made in every public company here of the prosperous situation of +our affairs. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, February 20th, 1780. + + Sir, + +The papers herewith enclosed are duplicates of those, which I had the +honor of transmitting to your Excellency by Captain Desaussure. As yet +I have received no intelligence from Madrid, owing I believe to the +extreme badness of the roads. + +When at Martinique, I informed Congress by letter, dated the 25th of +December last, that I had drawn a bill in favor of the officers of the +Confederacy on Dr Franklin, for one hundred guineas. At the time that +letter was written, I had made the officers that promise, and had +directed the bills to be made out accordingly, but just as I was +coming away and closing accounts with Mr Bingham, he, perceiving that +the money I was about to draw for the officers was to come out of my +salary, in the first instance, was so obliging as to offer to advance +that sum on the credit of Congress, and thereby save me the necessity +of drawing. I accepted his offer, and gave notice of it to the +officers by Mr Lawrence, the clerk of the frigate. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA TO JOHN JAY. + + Translation. + + Pardo, February 24th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Having received by the hands of Don Joseph de Galvez, the letter which +your Excellency sent by Mr Carmichael, and having communicated the +contents to his Majesty, I have it in command to inform you, that his +Majesty highly approves the choice, which the American Congress have +made of you to the trust mentioned in your letter, as well on account +of the high estimation in which his Majesty holds the members who made +the choice, as the information he has received of your probity, +talents, and abilities. His Majesty also received with pleasure the +information of the desire which the Colonies have to form a connexion +with Spain, of whose good disposition they have already received +strong proofs. Nevertheless, his Majesty thinks it necessary in the +first place, that the manner, the forms, and the mutual correspondence +should be settled, upon which that Union must be founded, which the +United States of America desire to establish with this monarchy. For +this purpose there is no obstacle to your Excellency's coming to this +Court, in order to explain your intentions and those of the Congress, +and to hear those of his Majesty, and by that means settling a basis +upon which a perfect friendship may be established, and also its +extent and consequences. + +His Majesty thinks, that until these points are settled, as he hopes +they will be, it is not proper for your Excellency to assume a formal +character, which must depend on a public acknowledgment and future +treaty. But your Excellency may be assured of the sincerity and good +dispositions of his Majesty towards the United States, and of his +earnest desire to remove every difficulty, for the mutual happiness of +them and of this monarchy. This has been intimated to Mr Carmichael, +who can communicate the same to your Excellency, to whom I beg leave +to make a tender of my service, being, &c. + + COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + * * * * * + + TO WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + Cadiz, February 25th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +Your favor of the 15th instant was delivered to me last evening. I +congratulate you on your safe arrival, and hope the agreeable +circumstances of your present situation will compensate for the +fatigue and trouble you experienced on the way to it. + +It gives me pleasure to hear the French Ambassador has been so +obliging, and I am glad to find from your letter, that your +attentions to him at least keep pace with his civilities, especially +as you are no stranger to the distinction between the candor and +politeness of a gentleman, and that unbounded confidence which is +seldom necessary. + +The intelligence you received from him is so agreeable and so +interesting, that although the nature of it leaves me no room to doubt +of this having been signified by the Court of France to Congress, +either through Dr Franklin or the Count de la Luzerne, yet as +unexpected accidents may have retarded its arrival, I shall also +transmit it by a vessel, which will sail in a few days for Boston. + +I regret your not having been more particular on the subject of the +mistake you have been led to suppose in the direction of my letter, as +I wish to have the means of determining whether it was from decisive +authority that M. Gerard, whose opinion I requested on that subject, +without hesitation told me, that M. Galvez was the Minister with whom +all business with the United States was to be transacted, and urged +several reasons for his being of that opinion. From that gentleman's +knowledge of the Courts of Europe, and the departments established for +the despatch of business in each, particularly with that of Madrid, +with which his Court had been so long and so intimately acquainted, I +was induced to desire and confide in his information on that point. +Very conclusive reasons, therefore, are necessary to induce a belief +of his having been mistaken. But as it is of importance that all +errors of this kind be known, and, if possible, corrected, I must +request your attention to this matter in your next. + +I am at a loss to determine from your letter whether or not you have +sent my despatches to M. Galvez. From your not having seen that +gentleman, nor expecting to be introduced to him till the 17th +instant, I conjecture that my letter did not reach him till that day; +if so, I fear the delay will appear as singular to him as I confess it +does to me. It does the more so to me, as my letter would have +introduced you, and as you were apprised of my apprehension that pains +would be taken to delay my receiving a decided answer, as to my +reception, until the sentiments of France should be known. Perhaps the +advice you received, as to the time and manner most proper for the +delivery of it, was a little influenced by a desire of gaining time. I +wished to have felt the pulse of Spain, and, by their conduct on this +occasion, to have been enabled to determine whether their councils, +with respect to the United States, are in any and in what degree +independent of those of France, or whether directed by them. This +would have been very useful in the further progress of the business, +and might have been easily obtained, had my letter been delivered +immediately on your arrival, because in that case, before the +sentiments of the French Court could have been asked and received, +sufficient time would have elapsed to justify your applying to M. +Galvez for an answer; and, whatever that might have been, certain +inferences would have been deducible from it. For these reasons, and +not from an expectation of opposition from France, I regret this +delay. But as my conjectures may prove groundless, and if just, you +may have very cogent reasons, I forbear further remarks till I shall +again have the pleasure of hearing from you. + +Are you sure that the intelligence you heard respecting M. Mirales is +_certain_? I am sorry by this question to lengthen your next letter, +especially as writing in cypher is tedious and disagreeable. But that +intelligence is important; if credited, it may have an influence on +American measures, which, if it should be groundless, might be +injurious. The transmission of information to Congress, by which their +councils and determinations may be affected, is a very delicate +business, and demands the greatest care and precision. It is not +uncommon, you know, for one gentleman to think a matter certain, which +another of no greater discernment, and judging by the same evidence, +will deem somewhat doubtful. I would choose, therefore, with respect +to all interesting intelligence, and particularly such as I may +transmit to Congress, to possess as far as possible every circumstance +necessary to form a judgment of its credibility, such as the rank and +character of the informants, and the means they have of acquiring the +information they give, that I may represent it as entitled to that +degree of credit only, which, on full consideration, it may appear to +deserve. I observe this less with reference to the case in question +than as a general rule. Besides, as we correspond in cypher, no danger +can result from being explicit. + +I am well satisfied that the short time you had been at Madrid did not +admit of your writing on the several subjects contained in your +instructions, on all of which, if allowed sufficient time, I am +persuaded you will be able to obtain important information. However, +as the object of your going to Madrid was to prevent delays in my +receiving an answer to the letter to M. Galvez, the other +instructions, however important, are to be considered as secondary, +and though I wish that great and constant attention may be paid them, +yet by no means to the neglect or prejudice of the first. + +I am much obliged to you for the American paper enclosed in your +letter. Everything from our country is interesting. If you should find +any more of them, whose contents afford either information or +entertainment, send them, and you shall receive from me all I may meet +with here, which come under that description. + +The letter you gave me reason to expect from M. Gerard has not yet +arrived; perhaps the next post will bring it. On the first occasion I +have of writing to him, I shall take the liberty of mentioning the +sense you have of his personal kindness and attention to you. + +The polite offers of the French Ambassador to be useful to me in all +things that depend on him at Madrid, as well as his civilities to you, +demand my acknowledgments, which I must beg the favor of you to +present to him. + +I am, Dear Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, February 29th, 1780. + + Sir, + +I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency in the enclosed +papers,[16] all the intelligence I have received from Madrid. Mr +Secretary Thompson will decypher them. An opinion begins to prevail, +that America will be the theatre of war the ensuing campaign, and that +the islands there will be the principal objects of contention. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[16] See above, p. 207, Mr Carmichael's letter, dated February 15th, +and Mr Jay's reply, p. 211, dated February 25th. See also a letter in +_Carmichael's Correspondence_, dated February 18th. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, March 3d, 1780. + + Sir, + +Agreeably to my promise to the Marquis de la Flotte, I must inform +your Excellency, that a Monsieur Jean Guy Guatier, merchant at +Barcelona, recommended to the Marquis by Monsieur Aubere, the French +consul there, is desirous of becoming the consul of the United States +at that port. He had been encouraged, as M. Aubere says, to expect +this appointment by Dr Franklin, but as he supposed my arrival would +prevent the Doctor's interference, it became necessary to make the +application to me. I told the Marquis that my commission did not +authorise me to comply with his request, and that all I could do would +be to mention his friend's application to Congress. + +How far it may be proper to grant appointments of this sort to any but +citizens of America, is a question whose importance will not, I am +persuaded, escape the notice of Congress. A sensible, active consul is +a very useful officer in many respects, and has many opportunities of +doing essential services to those who employ him, or to whom he may be +most attached. It is most certain, that for want of proper persons +appointed to take care of our distressed seamen, who, escaping from +captivity at Lisbon, Gibraltar, &c. daily arrive here, America loses +many of them. Humanity as well as policy calls for this provision. I +have some of them now with me, destitute of bread and money, and +almost of clothes, and of the means of getting either, unless by +entering into the French or Spanish service. Such as may arrive here +after my going to Madrid will be friendless unless I employ some +person to take a little care of them, which I shall take the liberty +of doing, being fully persuaded that the same principles which press +me into that measure will induce Congress to approve it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Cadiz, March 3d, 1780. + + Sir, + +Captain Morgan being still here, waiting for a fair wind, I have an +opportunity of transmitting to your Excellency a copy of a letter[17] +just come to hand from the Count de Florida Blanca, in answer to mine +to M. Galvez. + +Being apprehensive that if present I should probably be amused with +verbal answers capable of being explained away if necessary, until the +two courts could have time to consult and decide on their measures, I +thought it more prudent that my first application should be by letter +rather than in person. + +The answer in question, divested of the gloss which its politeness +spreads over it, gives us, I think, to understand, that our +independence shall be acknowledged, provided we accede to certain +terms of treaty, but not otherwise; so that the acknowledgment is not +to be made because we are independent, which would be candid and +liberal, but because of the previous considerations we are to give for +it, which is consistent with the principles on which nations usually +act. + +I shall proceed immediately to Madrid. There are many reasons +(hereafter to be explained,) which induce me to suspect that France is +determined to manage between us, so as to make us debtors to their +influence and good correspondence with Spain for every concession on +her part, and to make Spain hold herself obligated to their influence +and good correspondence with us for every concession on our part. +Though this may puzzle the business, I think it also promotes it. + +M. Gerard has often endeavored to persuade me, that a certain +resolution of Congress would, if persisted in, ruin the business, +which however he did not appear much inclined to believe, but, on the +contrary, that if every other matter was adjusted you would not part +on that point. I assured him that ground had, in my opinion, been +taken with too much deliberation now to be quitted, and that +expectations of that kind would certainly deceive those who trusted +them. And, indeed, as affairs are now circumstanced, it would, in my +opinion, be better for America to have no treaty with Spain, than to +purchase one on such servile terms. There was a time when it might +have been proper to have given that country something for their making +common cause with us, but that day is now past. Spain is at war with +Britain. + +I do not like the cypher in which I write, and shall therefore defer +further particulars till Mr Thompson shall receive the one now sent +him. + +I have the honor to be, with great respect and esteem, your +Excellency's most obedient servant, + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[17] See this letter above, dated February 24th, p. 210. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, April 6th, 1780. + + Sir, + +We beg leave to congratulate your Excellency on your safe arrival in +Europe. By principle warmly attached to the American cause, we could +wish that we saw our States in a situation to acknowledge the +independence of their sister Republic, and though we could only +cultivate private connexions as yet, we took the liberty to address +some intelligence to your Excellency when President of Congress. We +should reckon ourselves extremely happy to know whether our letter +came to hand before your Excellency left Philadelphia, and whether we +may form any hopes that our zeal may prove successful for the benefit, +as we intended, of both countries. + +Meanwhile we have the honor to be, with all possible regard, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + ANSWER TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, April 27th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +I have had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the 6th instant, +and am much obliged by your kind congratulations on my arrival in +Europe. + +The letters you mention to have written to Congress had been received +before I left Philadelphia, and referred to a committee. This mark of +attention was justly due to the interest you take in the American +cause, and the disposition you manifest to serve it. I presume that +the committee soon made a report, and that answers to your letters +have been written, although perhaps the many hazards to which letters +from America are exposed may have prevented their reaching you. + +When the rulers of your republic recollect in what manner and on what +occasion they became free, I am persuaded they cannot but wish +duration to our independence, nor forbear considering it as an event +no less interesting to every commercial nation in Europe than +important to America. These and similar considerations, added to the +injustice they daily experience from England, will, I hope, induce +them to call to mind that spirit of their forefathers, which acquired +a glorious participation in the empire of the ocean, and laid the +foundation of the commerce, affluence, and consideration they +transmitted to their posterity. + +Permit me to assure you that I shall consider your correspondence as a +favor, and that I am, with great respect, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 26th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Since my departure from America I have had the honor of writing the +following letters to your Excellency, viz. 20th, 22d, 24th, 25th, +25th, 26th and 27th of December, 1779, from Martinique; and 27th of +January, 20th, 28th and 29th of February, and 3d of March, 1780, from +Cadiz. I am still uncertain whether any, and which of them, have come +to your hands, and request the favor of particular information on this +subject. + +Of such of them as respect immediately the business committed to me I +now send duplicates, as well as copies of such other papers as, taken +collectively, will give Congress a full and accurate state of their +affairs here. + +This packet, of which an exact copy goes by another vessel, will +appear voluminous. It will nevertheless be found interesting. I have +interspersed such observations as to me appeared proper for the +purpose of explanation. + +On the 22d of January, 1780, I arrived at Cadiz, without letters of +credit or recommendation to any person there. The Chevalier Roche (a +passenger with us) was so obliging as to procure me credit for about +two hundred pounds sterling with a relation of his, to whom I was +obliged to give a bill on Dr Franklin at a more than usual short +sight. I afterwards became acquainted with the house of Le Couteulx +and Company, who offered me what money I might want, and furnished me +accordingly, with great cheerfulness. I was very disagreeably +circumstanced. + +Finding reports ran hard against American credit, and that bills on Dr +Franklin were held very cheap, by reason of his having, as was there +said, postponed, delayed, and in some instances refused payment of +them, on very frivolous pretences, I did, on the 26th of January, +1780, inform him by letter of my arrival, and of these reports. + +In answer to this, the Doctor, on the 7th of April, 1780, wrote me a +very friendly letter, asserting these reports to be false, and +enclosing a certificate of his banker, which proved them to be so. Of +this I have made the proper use, and as the same reports prevailed in +Martinique, and probably in the other islands, I wish the remedy to be +as extensive as the mischief, and therefore transmit the following +extract from his letter on that subject, and a copy of the certificate +mentioned in it. + + _Extract of a Letter from his Excellency Dr Franklin, + dated April 7th, 1780._ + + "The reports you tell me prevail at Cadiz, that the Loan + Office Bills, payable in France, have not been duly honored, + are wicked falsehoods. Not one of them, duly endorsed by the + original proprietor, was ever refused by me, or the payment + delayed a moment. And the few not so endorsed have been also + paid on the guarantee of the presenter, or some person of + known credit. No reason whatever has been given for refusing + payment of a bill, except this very good one that either the + first, second, third or fourth of the same set had been + already paid. The pretence that it was necessary for the + whole set to arrive before the money could be paid, is too + absurd and ridiculous for anyone to make use of, who knows + anything of the nature of exchange. The unexpected large + draughts made upon me by Congress and others, exclusive of + these from the Loan Office, have indeed sometimes embarrassed + me not a little, and put me to difficulties. But I have + overcome those difficulties, so as never to have been obliged + to make the smallest excuse, or desire the least delay of + payment from any presenter of such bills. Those reports must + therefore have been contrived by enemies to our country, or + by persons who proposed an advantage to themselves by + purchasing them at an under rate. Enclosed I send you a + certificate of our banker in refutation of those calumnies." + + + _Copy of the abovementioned Certificate._ + + Translation. + + "I, the subscriber, banker at Paris, and alone charged with + the payment of the bills of the Loan Office, declare, that I + have paid, without exception or delay, all such bills to this + date, accepted by his Excellency Dr Franklin; that, to my + knowledge, no such bill has been refused payment; but that + several have been presented after they had been once paid. + + "I declare further, that whatever is contradictory to this + present is false. + + "In testimony of which I have here signed my name at Paris, + this 15th of March, 1780. + + GRAND." + +It appearing to me of importance that I should as soon as possible be +informed of the measures, which Mr Arthur Lee might have taken leading +to a treaty between the United States and Spain, I did, on the 26th of +January, 1780, write him a letter, of which the following is a +copy.[18] + +Mr Lee, in answer to this, wrote me a polite letter on the 17th of +March, 1780. The following is a copy of it.[19] + +As, for reasons, which will appear in the course of the following +papers, and which I hope will meet with the approbation of Congress, +it became proper for me to remain in Spain, I apprised the Court of +France of it by a letter to his Excellency the Count de Vergennes, on +the 27th of January, 1780, of which the following is a copy.[20] + +The Count's answer to this is in the following words. + + Translation. + + "Versailles, March 13th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have received your favor of the 27th of January, and I am + fully sensible of the confidence you have reposed in me, by + communicating to me the object of your mission. You know too + well the attachment of his Majesty to the United States, not + to feel assured that he sincerely wishes you success, and + will be eager to contribute to it. The Count de Montmorin has + received instructions accordant with this disposition, and I + do not doubt that your confidence in him will enable him to + fulfil them to your entire satisfaction. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + DE VERGENNES." + +On the 9th of May, 1780, I replied to the Count as follows. + + "Aranjues, May 9th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The letter which your Excellency did me the honor to write + me, on the 13th of March last, was delivered to me by the + Count de Montmorin on my arrival at Madrid. + + "I should not have thus long delayed the pleasure of replying + to it, if I could have prevailed upon myself to have given + your Excellency complimentary professions, instead of sincere + assurances. Unreserved confidence in an Ambassador of our + great and good ally was just, as well as natural; and I am + exceedingly happy to find that personal considerations, + instead of forbidding, prompt it. M. Gerard, whose judgment I + greatly respect, had given me a very favorable impression of + this gentleman, and I am convinced from my own observation, + that he was not mistaken. His conduct towards me has been + that of a wise minister, and a candid gentleman. Your + Excellency may therefore rely upon his receiving all that + confidence from me, which these considerations dictate. + Permit me to add, that I never indulge myself in + contemplating the future happiness and independence of my + country, without feeling the warmest attachment to the Prince + and people, who are making such glorious exertions to + establish them. + + "With the most lively sentiments of respect and esteem, I + have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +I requested the favor of M. Gerard to inform me, to which of the +Ministers of Spain it would be proper to address any letters, which I +might think proper to write to that court. He told me M. Galvez, and +enumerated his reasons for thinking so. On the 27th of January, 1780, +I wrote a letter to that Minister. The following is a copy of it.[21] + +Mr Carmichael was the bearer of this letter, and as his going to +Madrid to expedite an answer to it would give him an opportunity of +acquiring, as well as giving information on several subjects, I gave +him the following instructions.[22] + +I have desired Mr Carmichael, for greater certainty, to give me notes +in writing of all the information he gained in pursuance of these +instructions, but he has postponed it for the sake of enlarging them +by some important additions. + +My letter to M. Galvez was answered the 24th of February, 1780, by the +Count de Florida Blanca, in the words following, viz.[23] + +To this letter I replied as follows, viz. + + "Cadiz, March 6th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have been honored with your Excellency's favor of the + 24th ultimo, which did not come to my hands till sometime + after its arrival. + + "The sentiments which his Majesty is pleased to entertain of + me, together with the polite manner in which your Excellency + has been so obliging as to express them, demand my warmest + acknowledgments, and give additional force to the many + motives, which render me desirous of a permanent union + between his Majesty and the United States. + + "The honor and probity, which have ever characterised the + conduct of Spain, together with the exalted reputation his + Majesty has acquired, by being an eminent example of both, + have induced the people of the United States to repose the + highest confidence in the proofs they have received of his + friendly disposition towards them; and to consider every + engagement with this monarchy as guarantied by that faith, + and secured by that ingenuousness, which have so gloriously + distinguished his Majesty and this kingdom among the other + Princes and nations of the earth. + + "Permit me to request the favor of your Excellency to assure + his Majesty, that the people of the United States are + convinced, that virtue alone can animate and support their + governments; and that they can in no other way establish and + perpetuate a national character, honorable to themselves and + their posterity, than by an unshaken adherence to the rules + which religion, morality, and treaties may prescribe for + their conduct. His royal mind may also be persuaded, that + gratitude will never cease to add the influence of + inclination to the power of dignity, in rendering them + solicitous for the happiness and prosperity of those generous + nations, who nobly strengthened their opposition to a torrent + of oppression, and kindly aided in freeing them from the + bondage of a nation, whose arrogance and injustice had become + destructive of the rights of mankind, and dangerous to the + peace and tranquillity of Christendom. + + "Having therefore the most perfect conviction, that the + candor and benignity of his Majesty's intentions are equal to + the uprightness and sincerity of those of Congress, I shall + set out in a few days for Madrid, with the pleasing + expectation that there will be little delay or difficulty in + adjusting the terms of a union between a magnanimous Monarch + and a virtuous people, who wish to obtain, by an alliance + with each other, only reciprocal benefits and mutual + advantages. + + "I have the honor to be, with perfect respect and + consideration, your Excellency's most obedient, and most + humble servant, + + JOHN JAY." + +On the 4th of April, 1780, I arrived at Madrid, and Mr Carmichael +delivered to me the following questions from the Count de Florida +Blanca, to which he had declined giving answers, viz. + + _Questions from the Count de Florida Blanca, dated the + 9th of March, 1780._ + + Translation. + + "Before entering into a discussion with Mr Jay or Mr + Carmichael, jointly or separately, on the subject of the + affairs of the United States of North America, and their + mutual interest with respect to Spain, it is judged + indispensable at Madrid, that the Catholic King should be + exactly informed of the civil and military state of the + American Provinces, and of their resources to continue the + present war, not only for the defence of their own liberty, + but also with respect to the aid and succors they may be able + to afford Spain in its operations, in case hereafter this + Crown should become the ally of America. The _Civil Affairs_ + ought to comprehend, + + "1st. A true account of the population and form of government + of each Province of the Union, and the resolution of the + inhabitants to continue the war with vigor, as long as it is + necessary. + + "2dly. Whether there is any powerful party in favor of + England, and what consequences are to be apprehended from it; + whether the heads of this party suffer themselves to be + seduced by the great promises of the British government. + + "3dly. A statement of the revenues of these Provinces, and of + their ability to contribute to the general expense; to which + may be added, whether they will be able long to support this + burthen, and even to increase it should it be judged + necessary. + + "4thly. A statement of the public debts, and of the + particular debts of each State, taken collectively or + separately, of their resources to lessen them, and the + possibility of their being able to support their credit in + all the operations of government, in the commerce of their + inhabitants, and above all in the protection of national + industry. + + "5thly. By what means, or with what branches of commerce, + will the States of America have it in their power to + indemnify Spain, whenever this power may second the views and + operations of the Americans; and particularly the Court + wishes to know, whether it may be convenient for the said + States to furnish ships of war of the best construction for + the Spanish marine, and likewise timber and other articles + for the King's arsenals, and the whole without loss of time, + and fixing the terms on which they would make an agreement of + this nature, and who would be commissioned to bring the + vessels and these naval stores to Spain. + + "With respect to the _Military State_ of America, it is + necessary to be informed first, of the number and strength of + the different bodies of troops armed by the Provinces, and of + their present situation, in order to judge whether they are + sufficient to oppose the enemy wherever they may go, and + particularly in Carolina and Georgia. + + "Further, it may be expedient to know the means of augmenting + the American army in case it is necessary, or to keep it + always on the same footing, notwithstanding its daily losses. + In what condition their clothing and arms are at present; + whether they are partly in want of those articles, and how + much it would require to remedy those defects. + + "The subsistence of an army being an object of the greatest + consequence, the Court desires to know if proper measures + have been taken for that purpose, that it may be ascertained + whether it can act everywhere, if necessary, even in the + above mentioned Provinces, without danger of being in want of + necessaries. + + "It is highly essential for the Provinces of America to keep + a marine to act against the common enemy, and to secure their + own possessions during the present war. The Spanish Minister + therefore is desirous of knowing its strength, including the + armed vessels belonging to individuals, and by what means it + may be augmented, and what succors will be necessary for that + purpose. + + "The Court of Spain, desirous of information on these + subjects with all possible frankness and precision, does not + pretend to dive into matters, which Mr Jay or Mr Carmichael + may regard as reserved to themselves. Its only aim is to be + acquainted with the present state of the American forces, + their resources, and ability to continue the war, so that if + it was in consideration for new allies to supply them with + succors of any kind, the former might be able to plan on + solid grounds their operations convenient for the common + cause, and for the particular advantage of these States, + without running the risk of being misled by false + calculations for want of foresight and proper information." + + "_Pardo, March 9th, 1780._" + +My answer to these questions is contained in a letter I wrote to the +Count de Florida Blanca, on the 25th of April, 1780; the removal of +the Court to Aranjues, and his attending the King at that time at an +annual chase, rendering it useless, and perhaps improper, to endeavor +to call his attention to these matters sooner. The following is a copy +of it. + + "Madrid, April 25th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "Mr Carmichael has delivered to me a paper he had the honor + of receiving from your Excellency before my arrival here, + containing heads of many important inquiries respecting which + it was thought necessary, that his Catholic Majesty should be + exactly informed before entering into a discussion with me + and Mr Carmichael jointly or separately, on the subject of + the affairs of the United States of North America, and their + mutual interest with respect to Spain; but that the Court, + though desirous of information on these several articles, + with all possible frankness and precision, did not mean to + dive into matters which Mr Carmichael and myself might regard + as reserved to ourselves only. + + "Being persuaded, that direct and accurate information + respecting the nature and extent of the commissions given to + that gentleman and myself, would be very agreeable to your + Excellency, I take the liberty of transmitting the following + copies of each. + + 'The delegates of the United States of New Hampshire, + Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, + Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, + Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and + Georgia, in Congress assembled, to all who shall see these + presents, Greeting. + + 'Whereas an intercourse between the subjects of his Catholic + Majesty, and the citizens of these United States, founded on + the principles of equality, reciprocity, and friendship, may + be of mutual advantage to both nations, and it being the + sincere desire of the United States to enter into a treaty of + alliance and of amity and commerce with his Catholic Majesty, + know ye, therefore, that we, confiding in the integrity, + prudence, and ability of the Honorable John Jay, late + President of Congress, and Chief Justice of the State of New + York, have nominated and constituted, and by these presents + do nominate and constitute him, the said John Jay, our + Minister Plenipotentiary; giving him full power general and + special to act in that quality, to confer, treat, agree, and + conclude, with the Ambassador or Plenipotentiary of his + Catholic Majesty vested with equal powers, of and concerning + a treaty of amity and commerce, and of alliance, and whatever + shall be so agreed and concluded for us and in our names, to + sign, and thereupon make such treaty or treaties, conventions + and agreements, as he shall judge conformable to the ends we + have in view, in as ample form, and with the same effect, as + if we were personally present and acted therein, hereby + promising in good faith, that we will accept, ratify, fulfil, + and execute whatever shall be agreed, concluded, and signed + by our said Minister Plenipotentiary, and that we will never + act, nor suffer any person to act, contrary to the same in + the whole, or in any part. + + 'In witness whereof, we have caused these presents to be + given in Congress, at Philadelphia, the 29th day of + September, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred + and seventynine, and the fourth year of the independence of + the United States of America. + + 'Signed by the President, and sealed with his seal. + + 'SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + 'Attest, CHARLES THOMSON, _Secretary_.' + + + 'The United States of America, in Congress assembled. To the + Honorable William Carmichael, a delegate in Congress from the + State of Maryland. Greeting. + + 'We, reposing especial trust and confidence in your + patriotism, ability, conduct, and fidelity, do, by these + presents, constitute and appoint you, during our pleasure, + Secretary to our Minister Plenipotentiary, appointed to + negotiate a treaty of amity and commerce, and of alliance + with his Catholic Majesty. You are, therefore, carefully and + diligently to discharge the duty of Secretary, by doing and + performing all things thereunto belonging, and, in case of + the death of our said Minister, you are to signify it to us + by the earliest opportunity, and on such event, we authorise + and direct you to take into your charge all our public + affairs, which were in the hands of said Minister at the time + of his death, or which may be addressed to him before notice + thereof, and proceed therein, according to the instructions + to our said Minister given, until our further orders. + + 'Witness, his Excellency, Samuel Huntington, President of the + Congress of the United States of America, at Philadelphia, + the 29th day of September, in the year of our Lord, 1779, and + in the fourth year of our independence. + + 'SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + 'Attest, CHARLES THOMSON, _Secretary_.' + + "The inquiries in question are numerous and important. They + do honor to the sagacity which suggested them, and, if fully + answered, would produce a very interesting history of the + present condition of the American States. On some of the + subjects proposed, I can give your Excellency full and + positive intelligence; on others, only general and by no + means precise information. On all, however, I shall write + with candor. + + "Such is the nature of the American governments and + confederacy, that the Congress, and all other rulers of the + people, are responsible to them for their conduct, and cannot + withhold from their constituents a knowledge of their true + situation, without subjecting themselves to all the evils, + which they experience, who substitute cunning in the place of + wisdom. Hence it is, that a knowledge of their affairs is + easily attainable by all who will be at the trouble of + collecting it, and as it is neither the policy nor + inclination of America to draw a veil over any part of their + affairs, your Excellency may be persuaded, that every + consideration forbids their servants, by a suppression, or + misrepresentation of facts, to deceive or mislead those whose + amity they so sincerely endeavor to cultivate, as they do + that of Spain. + + I. THE CIVIL STATE OF NORTH AMERICA. + + "Your Excellency has with great propriety arranged the + subjects of your inquiry under two heads; the _Civil_ and + _Military_ States of North America. The first of these is + again branched into several subdivisions, at the head of + which, is the + + _Population of each State._ + + "The exact number of inhabitants in the United States has + not, I believe, been ascertained by an actual census in more + than two or three of them. The only computation made by + Congress was on the 29th of July, 1775; the manner and + occasion of which exclude every suspicion of its exceeding + the true number. Congress had emitted bills of credit to a + very considerable amount, and were apprised of the necessity + of emitting more. Justice demanded that this debt should be + apportioned among the States according to their respective + abilities; an equitable rule whereby to determine that + ability became indispensable. After much consideration, + Congress resolved, 'that the proportion, or quota of each + Colony, should be determined according to the number of the + inhabitants of all ages (including negroes and mulattoes) in + each Colony,' but as that could not _then_ be ascertained + _exactly_, they were obliged to judge of, and compute the + number from circumstantial evidence. The delegates gave to + Congress an account of the population of their respective + Colonies, made from the best materials then in their power, + and so great was their confidence in each other, that from + those accounts that computation was principally formed. Your + Excellency will readily perceive, that the delegates were far + from being under any temptations to exaggerate the number of + their constituents; they were not ignorant, that by such + exaggerations they would increase their portion of aids, both + of men and money, and that whatever errors they might commit, + could not be rectified by an actual numeration during the + war. The computation then formed was as follows. + + New Hampshire, 124,069 and a half + Massachusetts Bay, 434,244 + Rhode Island, 71,959 and a half + Connecticut, 248,139 + New York, 248,139 + New Jersey, 161,290 and a half + Pennsylvania, 372,208 and a half + Delaware, 37,219 and a half + Maryland, 310,174 and a half + Virginia, 496,278 + North Carolina, 248,139 + South Carolina, 248,139 + --------- + 3,000,000 + + Exclusive of the inhabitants of Georgia, who were not at that + time represented in Congress, and of whose numbers I have no + information that I can confide in. + + _The Form of Government of each State._ + + "In the pamphlets I have now the honor of transmitting to + your Excellency, viz. No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4, and No. 5, + you will find the constitutions of New York, New Jersey, + Pennsylvania, Delaware, and South Carolina. The others I have + not with me. The great outlines of them all are very similar. + By the last accounts from America, it appears that + Massachusetts Bay had not as yet agreed upon their + constitution, but had it then under consideration. + + "It cannot be necessary to observe to your Excellency, that + these new modes of government were formed by persons named + and authorised by the people for that express purpose; that + they were, in general, instituted with great temper and + deliberation upon such just and liberal principles, as on the + one hand to give effectual security to civil and religious + liberty, and on the other make ample provision for the rights + of justice, and the due exercise of the necessary powers of + government. + + "The articles of confederation agreed upon by Congress, and + approved by every State in the Union except Maryland, provide + for the general government of the Confederacy, and the + ordering of all matters essential to the prosperity and + preservation of the Union in peace and war. I ought also to + inform your Excellency, that the reasons why Maryland has as + yet withheld her assent to those articles, do not arise from + any disaffection to the common cause, but merely from their + not having adopted certain principles respecting the + disposition of certain lands. + + _The Union and Resolution of the Inhabitants to continue the + War with Vigor as long as may be necessary._ + + "On this subject I can give your Excellency certain and + positive information; the storm of tyranny and oppression, + which had for some years been constantly growing more black + and more terrible, began to burst with violence on the people + of North America in the year 1774. It was seen and felt and + deprecated by all except those, who expected to gather spoils + in the ruins it was designed to occasion. These were those + who enjoyed, or expected, emoluments from Great Britain, + together with their immediate dependants and connexions; such + as the officers of government throughout the Colonies, but + with some very distinguished exceptions; those of the clergy + of the church of England almost without exception, who + received annual salaries from the society established in + England for Propagating the Gospel in Foreign Parts; foreign + adventurers, buyers and sellers, who, being no further + attached to the country than as it afforded the means of + gain, soon prepared to speculate in confiscations, and + courted the notice of their sovereign by intemperate zeal for + the ruin of his subjects. With these exceptions, the great + body of the people moved together, and united in such firm + and considerate measures for the common safety, and conducted + their affairs with such regularity, order, and system, as to + leave no room to suppose them to be the work of only a + prevailing party, as our enemies have always represented and + affected to consider them. + + "There was, it is true, another class of persons not much + less dangerous, though far more contemptible than those I + first mentioned; persons who in every revolution, like + floating weeds in every storm, obey the strongest wind, and + pass from side to side as that happens to change. I mean the + _neutrals_, a pusillanimous race, who having balanced in + their minds the advantages and disadvantages, the gains and + dangers of joining either side, are seduced by their fears to + form a thousand pretexts for joining neither; who, to + manifest their loyalty to their King, when his armies were + successful, gave them every aid in their power, except + drawing their swords against their country, and who, when + their countrymen prevailed, were ready to render them all + possible service, except taking arms against their Prince. + + "The auxiliaries, whom the British measures and forces found + in the country, consisted of persons from these classes. And + although when these first appeared in, and wounded the bosom + of America, she was obliged to extend her arms to repel the + assaults of a foreign enemy, yet such was the union and + spirit of her inhabitants, that she was soon enabled not only + to put them under her feet, but on the ruins of her former + governments to erect new ones in the midst of invasions from + without, and treacherous combinations from within. Being able + to obtain no other terms of peace than unconditional + obedience, she had sufficient courage to declare herself + independent in the face of one of the best appointed armies + Britain could ever boast of, as well as sufficient strength + to limit its operations, and reduce its numbers. + + "It may perhaps be observed, that the first object of the war + was a redress of grievances; that the present object is + _independence_; and it may be asked whether the people are as + much united with respect to the last as they were with + respect to the first. + + "I am certain that the people of America never were so well + united as they are at present, in that of their independence. + Exclusive of actual observation on the spot, I think so + because, + + "1st. The Declaration of Independence was made by Congress at + a time, when the great body of their constituents called for + it. + + "2dly. Because that declaration was immediately recognised by + the general assemblies and legislatures of the several + States, without exception. + + "3dly. Because the successful army under General Burgoyne was + defeated and captured by a great collection of the + neighboring militia, to whom he had offered peace and + tranquillity on their remaining at home, terms which it was + natural to suppose a great many of them would have accepted, + had the Declaration of Independence been disagreeable to + them. + + "4thly. Because the Congress, consisting of members annually + elected, have repeatedly, expressly, and unanimously declared + their determination to support it at every hazard. + + "5thly. Because their internal enemies have been either + expelled or reduced, and their estates to a very great amount + in some of the States confiscated and actually sold. + + "6thly. Because constitutions and forms of government have + since been instituted and completely organised, in which the + people participate, from which they have experienced + essential advantages, and to which they have of consequence + become greatly attached. + + "7thly. Because Congress unanimously refused to enter into + treaty with the British Commissioners on any terms short of + independence, and because every State, though afterwards + separately solicited, refused to treat otherwise than + collectively by their delegates in Congress. + + "8thly. Because the inhuman and very barbarous manner in + which the war has been conducted by the enemy, has so + alienated the affections of the people from the King and + government of Britain, and filled their hearts with such + deep rooted and just resentments, as render a cordial + reconciliation, much less a dependence on them, utterly + impossible. + + "9thly. Because the doctrine propagated in America by the + servants of the King of Great Britain, that no faith was to + be kept with Americans in arms against him, and the + uniformity with which they have adhered to it, in their + practice as well as professions, have destroyed all + confidence, and leave the Americans no room to doubt, but + that, should they again become subjects of the King of + Britain on certain terms, those terms would as little impede + the progress of future oppression, as the capitulation of + Limerick, in 1691, did with respect to Ireland. + + "10thly. Because the treaty with France, and consequently + virtue, honor, and every obligation due to the reputation of + a rising nation, whose fame is unsullied by violated + compacts, forbid it. + + "11thly. Because it is the evident, and well known interest + of North America to remain independent. + + "12thly. Because the history of mankind, from the earliest + ages, with a loud voice calls upon those who draw their + swords against a Prince, deaf to the supplication of his + people, to throw away that scabbard. + + "13thly. Because they do not consider the support of their + independence as difficult. The country is very defensible and + fertile; the people are all soldiers, who with reason + consider their liberty and lives as the most valuable of the + possessions left them, and which they are determined shall + neither be wrested or purchased from them but with blood. + + "14thly. Because for the support of their independence, they + have expressly, by a most solemn act, pledged to each other + their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor; so that + their bond of union, for this very purpose, thus formed of + all the ties of common interest, common safety, mutual + affection, general resentments, and the great obligations of + virtue, honor, patriotism, and religion, may with reason be + deemed equal to the importance of that great object. + + _Whether there is any powerful Party in Favor of England, and + what Consequences are to be apprehended from it? Whether + the Heads of this Party suffer themselves to be seduced by + the Promises of the British Government?_ + + "What has been already said, on the subject of the union of + the people in North America, will I imagine in a great + measure answer these questions. + + "If by a party in favor of England is meant a party for + relinquishing the independence of the United States, and + returning to the dominion of Britain, on any terms whatever, + I answer there is no such party in North America; all the + open adherents of the Crown of Great Britain having either + voluntarily quitted or been expelled from the country. + + "That Britain has emissaries and masked adherents in America, + industrious in their little spheres to perplex the public + measures, and disturb the public tranquillity, is a fact of + which I have not the most distant doubt, and it is equally + true, that some of these wicked men are by a few weak ones + thought to be patriots, but they cannot with any propriety be + called a party, or even a faction. The chief mischief they + do, is collecting and transmitting intelligence, raising + false reports, and spreading calumnies of public men and + measures; such characters will be found in every country so + circumstanced, and America has not been negligent in + providing laws for their punishment. + + "The obvious policy of the Court of London has induced them + to boast perpetually of their party in America; but where it + is? of whom composed? what it has done, or is doing? are + questions to which they constantly give evasive answers. Much + also have they said of the numbers that have joined their + arms in America. The truth is, that at Boston, Rhode Island, + New York, and Philadelphia, they gleaned some of that refuse + of mankind, to be found and purchased by any body in all + commercial cities. It is also true, that some men of weight + and influence in the country, who joined the enemy on their + first successes, did draw away with them several of their + immediate dependents, whom they persuaded or otherwise + influenced to enlist in their service. To these may also be + added the prisoners, who at different times they forced into + their service by famine, and other severities too numerous as + well as barbarous to be here particularized. But I have no + reason to believe, that all these aids put together ever + exceeded three thousand men. This business, however, (except + with respect to prisoners,) has long been over, and before I + left America many of those deluded people had returned and + implored the pardon of their country. + + "In America, as in all other popular governments, your + Excellency knows there must and ever will be parties for and + against particular measures and particular men. The enemy, + adverting to this circumstance, have had address enough to + ascribe differences and temporary heats arising from this + source, in which they were not interested, to causes much + higher, and more flattering to their importance; and this + they have done with so much art, as to have imposed in some + instances on the credulity of men high in reputation for + sagacity and discernment. + + "If your Excellency will be pleased to peruse a pamphlet + marked No. 6, which you will find enclosed with the other + papers I herewith transmit, and entitled 'Observations on the + American Revolution,' you will perceive that nothing is to be + apprehended from this supposed party in North America. + + _A Statement of the Revenues of the States, and of their + Ability to contribute to the General Expense; whether they + will be able long to support this Burthen, and increase it + if necessary?_ + + "The Confederated States have no fixed revenues, nor are such + revenues necessary, because all the private property in the + country is at the public service. The only restriction + imposed by the people is, that it be taken from them with + wisdom and justice, or to be more explicit, that the sums + required be proportionate to the public exigencies, and + assessed on the individuals in proportion to their respective + abilities. + + "A nation can seldom be destitute of the means of continuing + a war, while they remain unsubdued in the field, and + cheerfully devote their all to that service. They may indeed + experience great distress, but no distress being equal to + that of subjection to exasperated oppressors, whose most + tender mercies are cruel, the Americans had little difficulty + in making their election. + + _A Statement of the Public Debts._ + + "This subject your Excellency will find fully discussed in an + address of Congress to their constituents, in which they + compute their debts, and mention the means they had taken to + preserve the public credit. It is also herewith enclosed, and + marked No. 7. + + _A Statement of the Debts of each particular State._ + + "Although exact accounts of these debts are contained in the + public printed acts of each State, yet as I neither have any + of those acts or extracts from them with me, and my general + knowledge on this hand is very imperfect, I am deterred from + giving your Excellency any information respecting it, by the + very great risk I should run of misleading you on this point. + + _The Resources to lessen these Debts._ + + "Taxes; foreign and domestic loans; sales of confiscated + estates, and ungranted lands. + + _The possibility of their supporting their Credit in all the + Operations of Government, in the Commerce of their + Inhabitants, and, above all, in the Protection of National + Industry._ + + "As to the possibility of supporting their credit in the + cases mentioned, there is no doubt it is very _possible_. How + far it is _probable_, is a question less easy to answer. If + the taxes called for by Congress last fall be duly paid, all + will be safe. But whether they have been paid or not I am + wholly uninformed, except that I find in a public paper that + Virginia had made good her first payment. As I daily expect + to receive advices from America on this subject, I shall + postpone saying anything further on it at present, but your + Excellency may rely on my communicating to you a full state + of what intelligence I may have respecting it. + + "As to supporting their credit in _commerce_, it is attended + with considerable, though not insurmountable difficulties. + They are of two kinds, the want of sufficient commodities for + remittances, and the risk of transporting them. North + America abounds in valuable commodities, such as fish, oil, + lumber, provisions of flesh and corn, iron, tobacco, and + naval stores, peltry, indigo, potash, and other articles, all + of which have greatly diminished since the war; the laborers + formerly employed in producing them having been often called + to the field, and by other effects of the war been prevented + from regularly following their usual occupations. Of some of + these articles America still produces more than is necessary + for her own consumption, but the risk of transporting them to + Europe renders her remittances very uncertain. The asylum, + which all British armed vessels find in the ports of + Portugal, enables them to cruise very conveniently and with + great advantage off the Western Islands, and other situations + proper for annoying vessels from thence to France, Spain, or + the Mediterranean. Hence it is that the trade from America to + St Eustatia has of late so greatly increased, it being + carried on principally in small, fast sailing vessels, that + draw but little water, and that the chief remittances to + Europe have been in bills of exchange instead of produce. + + "With respect to the protection of _national industry_, I + take it for granted that it will always flourish where it is + lucrative, and not discouraged, which was the case in North + America when I left it; every man being then at liberty, by + the law, to cultivate the earth as he pleased, to raise what + he pleased, to manufacture as he pleased, and to sell the + produce of his labor to whom he pleased, and for the best + prices, without any duties or impositions whatsoever. I have + indeed no apprehensions whatever on this subject: I believe + there are no people more industrious than those of America, + and whoever recurs to their population, their former exports, + and their present productions amidst the horrors of fire and + sword, will be convinced of it. + + _By what Means, or what Branches of Commerce, will the States + of America have it in their Power to indemnify Spain, + whenever this Power may second the Views and Operations of + the Americans?_ + + "America will indemnify Spain in two ways, by fighting the + enemy of Spain, and by commerce. Your Excellency will be + pleased to remark that Spain as well as America is now at war + with Britain, and therefore that it is the interest of both + to support and assist each other against the common enemy. It + cannot be a question whether Britain will be more or less + formidable if defeated or victorious in America; and there + can be no doubt but that every nation, interested in the + reduction of her power, will be compensated for any aids they + may afford America, by the immediate application of those + aids to that express purpose at the expense of American + blood. + + "Your Excellency's well known talents save me the necessity + of observing, that it is the interest of all Europe to join + in breaking down the exorbitant power of a nation, which + arrogantly claims the ocean as her birthright, and considers + every advantage in commerce, however acquired by violence, or + used with cruelty, as a tribute justly due to her boasted + superiority in arts and in arms. + + "By establishing the independence of America, the empire of + Britain will be divided, and the sinews of her power cut. + Americans, situated in another hemisphere, intent only on the + cultivation of a country more than sufficient to satisfy + their desires, will remain unconnected with European + politics, and not being interested in their objects, will + not partake in their dissensions. Happy in having for their + neighbors a people distinguished for love of justice and of + peace, they will have nothing to fear, but may flatter + themselves that they and their posterity will long enjoy all + the blessings of that peace, liberty, and safety, for which + alone they patiently endure the calamities incident to the + cruel contest they sustain. + + "While the war continues, the commerce of America will be + inconsiderable; but on the restoration of peace it will soon + become very valuable and extensive. So great is the extent of + country in North America yet to be cultivated, and so + inviting to settlers, that labor will very long remain too + dear to admit of considerable manufactures. Reason and + experience tell us, that when the poor have it in their power + to gain affluence by tilling the earth, they will refuse the + scanty earnings which manufacturers may offer them. From this + circumstance it is evident, that the exports from America + will consist of raw materials, which other nations will be + able to manufacture for them at a cheaper rate than they can + themselves. To those who consider the future and progressive + population of that country, the demands it will have for the + manufactures and productions of Europe, as well to satisfy + their wants, as to gratify their luxury, will appear immense, + and far more than any one kingdom in it can supply. Instead + of paying money for fish and many other articles as + heretofore, Spain will then have an opportunity of obtaining + them in exchange for her cloths, silks, wines, and fruits; + notwithstanding which, it is proper to observe, that the + commerce of the American States will forever procure them + such _actual wealth_, as to enable them punctually to repay + whatever sums they may borrow. + + _How far it may be convenient for these States to furnish + Ships of War, Timber, and other Articles for the King's + Arsenals, without Delay, and, if in their Power, on what + Terms?_ + + "I am much at a loss to determine at present, and therefore + will by no means give your Excellency my conjectures for + intelligence. + + "It is certain, that in ordinary times, America can build + ships as good, and cheaper than any other people, because the + materials cost them less. The ships of war now in her + service, as to strength and construction, are not exceeded by + any on the ocean. On this subject I will write to America for + information, and give your Excellency the earliest notice of + it. Naval stores, and particularly masts and spars, may + certainly be had there, and of the best quality, and I doubt + not but that the Americans would carry them to the Havana or + New Orleans, though I suspect, their being in a manner + destitute of proper convoys for the European trade, would + render them backward in bringing them to Spain, on terms + equal to the risk of capture, on the one hand, and the + expectations of purchasers on the other. + + II. THE MILITARY STATE OF NORTH AMERICA. + + _The Number and Strength of the American Troops, their + present Situation, and Ability to oppose the Enemy, + especially in Georgia and Carolina._ + + "Six months have elapsed since I left America, and I had not + seen a return of the army for some time before that period. + It did not, I am certain, amount to its full complement, and, + in my opinion, did not in the whole exceed thirty or + thirtyfive thousand men; I mean regular troops. + + "The Commander-in-Chief, whose abilities, as well as + integrity, merit the highest confidence, was authorised to + conduct all the military operations in the United States at + his discretion, subject, nevertheless, to such orders as the + Congress might think proper from time to time to give. It is + impossible, therefore, for me (not having received a single + letter from America on these subjects since my arrival) to + decide in what manner or proportions these troops are + employed or stationed, though I am confident it has been done + in the best manner. + + "All the men of proper age in America are liable to do + military duty in certain cases, and with a few exceptions, in + all cases. The militia is for the most part divided into a + certain number of classes, and whenever reinforcements to the + main army, or any detachment of it are wanting, they are + supplied by these classes in rotation. These reinforcements + while in the field are subject to the like regulations with + the regular troops, and with them submit to the severest + discipline and duty. Hence it is, that the people of America + have become soldiers, and that the enemy have never been able + to make a deep impression in the country, or long hold any + considerable lodgments at a distance from their fleets. + Georgia and South Carolina, indeed, enjoy these advantages in + a less degree than the other States, their own militia not + being very numerous, and speedy reinforcements from their + neighbors of North Carolina and Virginia rendered difficult + by the length of the way. They have, nevertheless, given + proofs of their spirit by various and great exertions, and I + have reason to believe, that all possible care has been taken + to provide for their safety, by furnishing them with a + proper body of troops under Major General Lincoln, a very + good officer, as well as a very good man. + + "Arms are still wanting in America, many of those imported + proving unfit for use, and the number of inhabitants who were + without proper arms at the beginning of the war, calling for + great supplies. The army, and a considerable part of the + militia, especially in the Northern States, have in general + good arms. + + "The article of clothing has been, and still is a very + interesting one to the American army. It is impossible to + describe, and, indeed, almost impossible to believe, the + hardships they have endured for want of it. There have been + instances, and I speak from the most undoubted authority, of + considerable detachments marching barefooted over rugged + tracts of ice and snow, and marking the route they took by + the blood that issued from their feet; but neither these + terrible extremities, nor the alluring offers of the enemy, + could prevail on them to quit their standard, or relax their + ardor. Their condition, however, has of late been much + bettered by supplies from France and Spain, and American + privateers; but adequate provision has not yet been made for + the ensuing winter, and I cannot conceal from your Excellency + my anxiety on that head. A supply of clothing for twenty + thousand men, added to what is engaged for them in France, + would make that army and all America happy. + + "I foresee no other difficulties in providing subsistence for + the American armies in every station in which they may be + placed, than those which may attend the transportation of it. + But when I reflect on the obstacles of this kind, which they + have already met with and surmounted, I have little + uneasiness about future ones. The last crops in America + promised to be plentiful when I left it, but whether there + would be any and what considerable overplus for exportation + was then undetermined, the damages done the wheat in + Maryland, Virginia, and North Carolina by a fly, which + infested those countries, not being to my knowledge at that + time ascertained. + + "How many ships of war belong to Congress, is a question I + cannot answer with certainty. I think there are not more than + ten or twelve in the whole. Of privateers there are a great + number, but how many exactly has not been computed. In my + opinion, they exceed one hundred, several of them very fine + ships. The Governor of Martinique told me, that in that + Island alone, the American privateers had brought and sold + above five thousand African slaves, which they had taken from + the enemy. Nine tenths at least of all the rum and sugar used + in North America, these three years past, have been obtained + in the same way, and to their successes have the public been + indebted for the most seasonable and valuable supplies of + military stores which they have received. I left several + vessels on the stocks at Philadelphia, and heard of more in + other parts. + + "Upon the whole, his Majesty may rest perfectly assured, that + the Americans are determined, though forsaken by all mankind, + to maintain their independence, and to part with it only with + their lives; the desolations and distresses of war being too + familiar to them to excite any other passions than + indignation and resentment. + + "That the country will supply its inhabitants with + provisions, some clothing, and some articles of commerce. + + "That there is no party in America in favor of returning + under the dominion of Britain, on any terms whatever. + + "That the King of France is very popular in America, being in + all parts of it styled the protector of the rights of + mankind, and that they will hold the treaty made with him + inviolate. + + "That the people in America have very high ideas of the honor + and integrity of the Spanish nation, and of his Catholic + Majesty especially, and that this respect and esteem unite + with their interest in rendering them so desirous of his + friendship and alliance. + + "That the greatest difficulty under which America labors + arises from the great depreciation of her bills of credit, + owing principally to a greater sum having been emitted than + was necessary for a medium of commerce, and to the + impossibility of remedying it by taxes before regular + governments are established. + + "That great attempts, seconded by the general voice of the + people, have been made to retrieve the credit of those bills + by taxation, the issue of which was as yet uncertain, but if + unsuccessful, a recurrence to taxes in kind was still left, + and would be practised, though it is an expedient which + nothing but necessity can render eligible. + + "That if France and Spain were to unite their endeavors to + conquer Britain in America, by furnishing the latter with the + necessary aids of ammunition, clothing, and some money, there + is reason to believe, that the House of Bourbon would find it + the most certain and least expensive method of reducing the + power of their irreconcilable enemy, and not only command the + gratitude and perpetual attachment of America, but the + general approbation of all who wish well to the tranquillity + of Europe, and the rights of mankind. Thus would that + illustrious House erect glorious and lasting monuments to + their virtues in the hearts of a whole people. + + "I fear your Excellency will consider the intelligence here + given, less full and precise than you expected. I regret that + it is not in my power to render it more so but it is not. I + hope however it will be thought sufficient to open a way to + those further discussions, which must precede the measures + necessary to bind America to Spain, as well as to France, and + thereby complete the division and consequently the + humiliation of the British Empire; a work too glorious and + laudable not to merit the notice of so magnanimous a Prince + as his Majesty, and engage the attention of a Minister of + such acknowledged abilities as your Excellency. + + "I flatter myself that the importance of the subject will + apologise for my trespassing so long on your Excellency's + patience so soon after your return to Aranjues. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +This letter gives occasion for many observations, which I am persuaded +will not escape Congress, and therefore I forbear repeating them. Your +Excellency will be pleased to observe, that on some of the subjects of +it I ought to be without delay apprised of the intentions of Congress, +and furnished with such information and instructions as may be +necessary to enable me to fulfil them. + +On the 27th of April last, I received at Madrid a letter from the +Committee of Foreign Affairs, enclosing copies of the resolutions of +Congress of the 23d and 29th of November, 1779, for drawing on Mr +Laurens and myself for L100,000 sterling each. I went the next day to +Aranjues, and the day after wrote to the Count de Florida Blanca, in +the words following, viz. + + "Aranjues, April 29th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "By the address of Congress to their constituents on the + subject of their finances, which I had the honor of + transmitting to your Excellency, you have doubtless observed, + that in September last Congress came to a resolution of + emitting no more bills, than, with those already emitted and + in circulation, would amount to 200,000,000 of dollars; that + about the same time they called upon their constituents to + raise money by taxes, and assigned the first day of January + last for the first payment, at which day it was supposed, + that the bills to be emitted would be nearly expended. + + "Congress perceiving that at once to stop the great channel + of supplies, that had been open ever since the war, and to + substitute another equally productive, was not one of those + measures which operate almost insensibly without hazard or + difficulty; and well knowing that if the first payment of + these taxes should be delayed beyond the limited time, the + treasury would be without money, and the public operations + obstructed by all the evils consequent to it; they were of + opinion, that collateral and auxiliary measures were + necessary to ensure success to the great system for + retrieving and supporting the public credit. So early, + therefore, as the 23d day of November last, they took this + subject into their most serious consideration, and although + they had the highest reason to confide in the exertions of + their constituents, yet having received repeated assurances + of his Majesty's friendly disposition towards them, and being + well persuaded, that they could avail themselves of his + Majesty's friendship on an occasion more agreeable to him and + advantageous to them, than on one so interesting to the + United States, and important to the common cause, they + adopted a measure, which, but for these considerations, might + appear extraordinary, viz. to draw bills upon me for L100,000 + sterling, payable at six months' sight. + + "The drawing bills previous to notice of obtaining money to + satisfy them may at first view appear indelicate, but when it + is considered that the whole success of this measure depended + on its taking place between the 23d of November, and the + first of January last, in which period it was impossible to + make the application, his Majesty's magnanimity will I am + persuaded readily excuse it. + + "As I shall always consider it my duty to give your + Excellency all the information in my power, that may enable + his Majesty from time to time to form a true judgment of the + state of American affairs, it is proper, that I should inform + your Excellency, that Congress, having reasons to believe + that a loan might be obtained in Holland, did shortly after + my leaving America take measures for that purpose, and on the + 23d of November last resolved to draw bills on Mr Henry + Laurens, to whom that business had been committed, for the + sum of L100,000 sterling. + + "I greatly regret that it was not in my power to advise your + Excellency of these matters sooner; but it was not until the + 27th instant, at Madrid, that I received the letter which + informed me of them. + + "As further remarks would draw this letter into greater + length, than the opinion I have of your Excellency's + discernment will permit me to think necessary, I forbear + longer to engage your time and attention, than to request the + favor of your Excellency to lay it before his Majesty. + + "The eyes of America are now drawn towards him by their + opinion of his virtues, and the situation of their affairs; + and I flatter myself it will not be long before their hearts + and affections will also be engaged by such marks of his + Majesty's friendship, as his wisdom and liberality may + prompt, and their occasions render expedient. + + "With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On the subject of this and my former letter, I had a conference with +the Count, on the 11th of May 1780, of which the following are notes, +taken immediately after it ended. + + Aranjues, May 11th, 1780. + + Mr Jay having waited on the Count de Florida Blanca, in + consequence of a message received on the evening of the 10th, + the latter commenced the conversation by observing that he + was sorry that his ignorance of the English language + prevented him from speaking with that ease and frankness, + with which he wished to speak in his conferences with Mr Jay, + and which corresponded with his own disposition and + character. + + He observed that he intended to speak on two points. The + first related to the letter Mr Jay had written to him, on the + subject of bills of exchange drawn on him by Congress, that + being an affair the most pressing and more immediately + necessary to enter upon. He said that the last year he should + have found no difficulty on that head, but that at present, + although Spain had money, she was in the situation of + Tantalus, who, with water in view, could not make use of it; + alluding to the revenue arising from their possessions in + America, which they were not able to draw from thence. That + their expenses had been so great in the year 1779, + particularly for the marine, as to oblige them to make large + loans, which they were negotiating at present. He entered + into a summary of those expenses, and particularized the + enormous expense of supporting thirtyfive ships of the line + and frigates in French ports. He observed, that to do this + they had prepared a very expensive and numerous convoy at + Ferrol and other ports of Spain, loaded with provisions, + naval stores, and every other article necessary for the + squadron before mentioned, which convoy did not arrive at + Brest until the day on which the Spanish fleet sailed from + thence. That the supplies so sent had emptied their magazines + at Cadiz, Ferrol, and other ports, and had frequently obliged + them to buy at enormous prices the necessary stores to supply + the fleet under the admirals Cardova and Gaston, on their + arrival in the ports of Spain. That they had been forced to + sell these stores thus sent to France, and others purchased + for the same purpose at Bourdeaux, Nantes, and elsewhere, at + half price; and added, that their loss on this occasion could + scarce be calculated. This, joined to the other expenses, and + the great losses they had sustained in their marine and + commerce, but chiefly in the former, and the great expenses + they were at in consequence thereof, rendered it difficult + for the King to do for America what he could have done easily + the last year, and which he declared repeatedly, and in the + strongest manner, it was his intention to do, as might be + judged from his conduct heretofore; touching slightly on the + succors sent us from Spain, the Havana, and Louisiana, but + dwelling on his conduct in the negotiation last year with + Great Britain, in which he would on no account be brought to + sacrifice the interests of America. + + Such being his Majesty's disposition and intentions previous + to the war, Mr Jay might easily judge, that he was not less + determined at present to support their interests, whether + formally connected with America by treaty or not. That, + notwithstanding the losses and misfortunes sustained, the + King's resolution, courage, and fortitude induced him to + continue the war, and therefore they were obliged to incur + much expense in order to fill their magazines and make the + necessary preparations for this campaign and the next, yet + that it was his Majesty's intention to give America all the + assistance in his power. That it was as much his inclination + as duty to second these dispositions, and that he had + received the King's orders to confer with his colleagues + thereon. He observed, however, that, although he was First + Secretary of State, he must first confer with them on this + subject; and from his own personal inclinations to second the + King's intentions and to serve America, he was desirous of + concerting with Mr Jay measures in such a manner as would + prevent him from meeting with opposition from his colleagues, + and therefore he spoke to him not as a minister, but as an + individual. + + In order to facilitate this, he said it was necessary to make + some overtures for a contract, in case Mr Jay was not + absolutely empowered to make one; and then he pointed out the + object most essential to the interests of Spain at the + present conjuncture. He said that for their marine they + wanted light frigates, cutters, or swift sailing vessels of + that size. That for ships of the line, they could procure + them themselves; that if America could furnish them with the + former, they might be sent to their ports in Biscay, loaded + with tobacco or other produce, and, discharging their + cargoes, be left at the disposition of Spain. He also + mentioned timber for vessels, but said that was an article + not so immediately necessary, though it might be an object of + consequence in future. He observed that he mentioned this at + present in order that Mr Jay might turn his thoughts on that + subject as soon as possible, and that he would, in order to + explain himself with more precision, send him, either on + Saturday or Sunday next, notes containing his ideas on this + subject, and adding that he hoped that the one, viz. Jay, + would assist the other, meaning himself, to manage matters in + such a way as to procure the means of obtaining for America + present aid. + + With respect to the bills of exchange which might be + presented, he said that at the end of the present year, or in + the beginning of the next, he would have it in his power to + advance twentyfive, thirty, or forty thousand pounds + sterling, and in the mean time, should these bills be + presented for payment, he would take such measures as would + satisfy the owners of them, viz. by engaging, in the name of + his Majesty, to pay them, observing that the King's good + faith and credit were so well known, that he did not imagine + this would be a difficult matter. He also said, that in + consequence of what Mr Jay had written with respect to + clothing for the American army, it might be in his power to + send supplies of cloth, &c. which he would endeavor to do. + + Mr Jay, in answer, assured him of his high sense of the + frankness and candor with which he had been so obliging as to + communicate the King's intentions and his own sentiments, and + gave him the strongest assurances that he should, for his + part, with the same frankness and candor, give him all the + assistance and information in his power to forward his + generous intentions in favor of his country, and that be + might depend that in doing this, he would neither deceive him + in his information, nor mislead him by ill grounded + expectations. + + The Count then expressed his confidence in these assurances, + said he had been well informed of the characters, both of Mr + Jay and Mr Carmichael, (who was present at the conference,) + and said, that he considered them as _les hommes honnetes_, + and that no consideration could have prevailed upon him to + have treated with men who did not sustain that reputation. + + The Count then proceeded to the second point, viz. with + respect to the treaty in contemplation between Spain and + America. He began by observing, that he now spoke as a + Minister, and as such, that he would be as candid and frank + as he had just been speaking as a private man; and that it + was always his disposition to do so with those from whom he + expected the same conduct. He then proceeded to observe, that + there was but one obstacle from which he apprehended any + great difficulty in forming a treaty with America, and + plainly intimated that this arose from the pretensions of + America to the navigation of the Mississippi. He repeated the + information, which the Count had received from M. Mirales, + that Congress had at one time relinquished that object; that + he also knew from the same source, that afterwards they had + made it an essential point of the treaty. He expressed his + uneasiness on this subject, and entered largely into the + views of Spain, with respect to the boundaries. (He mentioned + Cape Antonio and Cape ----, and expressed their resolution if + possible, of excluding the English entirely from the Gulf of + Mexico.) They wished to fix them by a treaty, which he hoped + would be perpetual between the two countries. He spoke amply + of the King's anxiety, resolution, and firmness on this + point, and insinuated a wish that some method might be fallen + upon to remove this obstacle. He observed, that the King had + received all his impressions with respect to the necessity of + this measure, previous to his being in place, and appeared to + regard it as a point from which his Majesty would never + recede, repeating that, still however he was disposed to give + America all the aid in his power, consistent with the + situation of his affairs, to distress the common enemy; that + this point being insisted on, it would be necessary for the + Court of Spain to obtain the most accurate knowledge of local + circumstances, with which he supposed Mr Jay and his + constituents were more fully apprised than his Majesty's + Ministers could be. That for this purpose they had already + written to the Havana and Louisiana, in order to obtain all + the necessary information, which he gave reason to believe + they had not yet received. He dwelt on the necessity of this + information previous to any treaty, and expressed his own + regret, that ways and means could not be found to obviate or + overcome this impediment. + + Mr Jay here took an opportunity to mention, that many of the + States were bounded by that river, and were highly interested + in its navigation, but observed that they were equally + inclined to enter into any amicable regulations, which might + prevent any inconveniences with respect to contraband or + other objects, which might excite the uneasiness of Spain. + + The Count, still, however, appeared to be fully of opinion, + that this was an object that the King had so much at heart, + that he would never relinquish it, adding, however, that he + hoped some middle way might be hit on, which would pave the + way to get over this difficulty, and desired Mr Jay to turn + his thoughts and attention to the subject, in which he + assured him he was as well disposed to assist him, as in the + means of procuring the assistance and succors for America + beforementioned; always repeating the King's favorable + disposition, his inviolable regard to his promises, &c. &c. + On this subject he also subjoined, that whenever Mr Jay chose + to go to Madrid, he desired to have previous notice of it; + for in those cases, he would leave his sentiments in writing + for him with Mr Carmichael, or, if he should also go to + Madrid, that he would then write to Mr Jay there, to which he + might return an answer by the _Parle_ (a post which goes to + and from Madrid) to Aranjues, every twentyfour hours. + + Mr Jay expressed his full confidence in what the Count had + done him the honor to communicate to him, and assured him of + his satisfaction and happiness in having the good fortune to + transact a business so important to both countries, with a + Minister so liberal and candid in his manner of thinking and + acting. + + The conference ended with much civility on the one part and + on the other, and with an intimation from the Count, that he + should take an opportunity of having the pleasure of Mr Jay's + company at dinner, and of being on that friendly footing on + which he wished to be with him. + +What passed in the course of this conference needs no comment, though +it calls for information and instructions. If Congress remains firm, +as I have no reason to doubt, respecting the Mississippi, I think +Spain will finally be content with equitable regulations, and I wish +to know whether Congress would consider any regulations necessary to +prevent contraband, as inconsistent with their ideas of free +navigation. I wish that as little as possible may be left to my +discretion, and that, as I am determined to adhere strictly to their +sentiments and directions, I may be favored with them fully, and in +season. + +The Count de Florida Blanca had upon all occasions treated me with so +much fairness, candor, and frankness, that between the confidence due +to him and the footing I was and ought to be on with the French +Ambassador, I was embarrassed exceedingly, especially as there is +little reason to doubt of their being on confidential terms with each +other. I was reduced to the necessity, therefore, of acting with +exquisite duplicity, a conduct which I detest as immoral, and +disapprove as impolitic, or of mentioning my difficulties to the +Count, and obtaining his answers. I preferred the latter, and wrote +the following letter to the Count de Florida Blanca. + + "Aranjues, May 12th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "It is with the utmost reluctance, that I can prevail upon + myself to draw your Excellency's attention from the great + objects that perpetually engage it. But the liberality, + frankness, and candor, which distinguished your conduct + towards me the last evening, has impressed me with such + sentiments of correspondent delicacy, as to place me in a + most disagreeable situation. + + "Deeply sensible of the benefits received by my country from + their illustrious ally, prompted by duty and inclination to + act not only with the highest integrity, but the greatest + frankness towards him and his Minister, and influenced by the + good opinion I have imbibed of the talents, attachment, and + prudence of the Count de Montmorin, I have given him and his + Court assurances that he should receive from me all that + confidence, which these considerations dictate. These + assurances were sincere; I have most strictly conformed to + them, and as no circumstances of delicacy forbid it, I have + communicated to him the information I gave your Excellency + relative to American affairs, and the resolution of Congress + for drawing bills upon me, these being the only transactions + within my knowledge and department, which related to that + proposed connexion between Spain and America, for the + accomplishment of which, the King of France has been pleased + to interpose his kind offices with his Catholic Majesty. + + "But, Sir, my feelings will not allow me to permit the + confidence due to one gentleman to interfere with that which + may be due to another. Honor prescribes limits to each, which + no consideration can tempt me to violate. You spoke to me the + last evening in the character of a private gentleman, as well + as of a public Minister, and in both without reserve. Let me + entreat your Excellency therefore to inform me, whether I am + to consider your conferences with me, either in the whole or + in part, as confidential. I am apprised of the delicacy of + this question. I wish I could know your sentiments without + putting it. I assure you my esteem and respect are too + sincere and too great, not to make me regret every measure, + that can give you an uneasy sensation. On this occasion I am + urged by justice to you as well as to myself, and that must + be my apology. + + "Unpractised in the ways of courts, I rejoice in finding that + I am to transact the business committed to me with a + gentleman, who adorns his exalted station with virtues as + well as talents, and looks down on that system of finesse + and chicanery, which, however prevalent, wisdom rejects and + probity disapproves. + + "With sentiments of attachment and esteem, I have the + honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +To this I received the following answer. + + Translation. + + "Aranjues, May 14th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "Sensible of the favorable opinion you are pleased to + entertain of my conduct, both as a minister and a private + gentleman, I have the honor to assure you, that on every + occasion, you shall experience nothing but frankness and + candor on my part. Besides that my own principles are + invariable on these points, I am certain thereby to follow + the example and good intentions of the King my master. + + "The delicacy, which induced you to doubt, whether there + would be any impropriety in communicating to the Ambassador + of France the explanation we had in the course of our late + conference, accords well with the idea I first formed of your + character, and I am pleased with this mark of your attention. + Besides, it appears to me that you may do it freely, + especially as those explanations are founded on principles of + equity and wisdom, for the benefit of the common cause. But + if, hereafter, circumstances demand a more pointed reserve, + by accidents we cannot now foresee, we shall always have time + to agree upon those points, which it may be necessary to keep + secret. + + "I am, Sir, with the most sincere attachment, and the most + perfect consideration, your most humble and most obedient + servant, + + COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA." + +I have not yet received from his Excellency the notes mentioned in the +conference, and therefore cannot have the satisfaction of sending +copies of them to Congress by this opportunity. + +On the 9th of April, 1780, Sir John Dalrymple arrived here from +Portugal with his lady. On the evening of the 10th I heard of it, and +the next morning sent the following card to the French Ambassador at +Aranjues, viz. + + "Mr Jay presents his compliments to his Excellency Count + Montmorin, and informs him that Sir John Dalrymple arrived + here the day before yesterday from Lisbon, and it is said, + intends to be at Aranjues today. What business should call + this gentlemen here, or enable him to obtain license to come, + are questions which I am persuaded will receive from your + Excellency all the attention due to their extent and + importance. + + "_Madrid, May 11th, 1780._" + +To this I immediately received the following answer on that subject, +viz. + + Translation. + + "M. de Montmorin received this morning Mr Jay's note, and + thanks him for the information. M. de Montmorin is fully + sensible of the importance of it, and although he is far from + entertaining the least doubt on the sentiments of the Spanish + Ministry, he will not fail to take the precaution to be + informed of everything connected with Sir John Dalrymple's + arrival. He advises Mr Jay to follow the same course. Courts + are so beset with intrigues, that nothing should be + neglected, which may tend to discover them. He repeats that + he has not the slightest cause to suspect the Spanish + Ministry, but on the contrary, has the strongest reasons for + confiding in its integrity and honor. M. de Montmorin begs Mr + Jay to accept his compliments, and to present his respectful + homage to Mrs Jay." + +Learning that Sir John had obtained leave to go to France in his way +to England, I apprised Mr Adams of it in a letter of the 26th of +April, 1780, of which the following is an extrac + + "Sir John Dalrymple is here; he came from Portugal for the + benefit of his lady's health, as is said. He is now at + Aranjues. He has seen the Imperial Ambassador, the Governor + of the city, Senior Compomanes, the Duke of Alva, and several + others named to him I suppose by Lord Grantham, who I find + was much respected here. He will return through France to + Britain. I shall go to Aranjues the day after tomorrow, and + shall form some judgment of that gentleman's success by the + conduct of the Court towards America." + +On waiting on the Count de Florida Blanca, a few days afterwards at +Aranjues, he told me that Sir John had applied to him to obtain from +him permission to go through Spain to France, and to the French +Minister for a passport through that kingdom to England. The +indisposition of his lady was the reason assigned for not going from +Portugal by water. That in conversation, Sir John took occasion to say +several things respecting the war, and the manner of drawing it to a +conclusion. That the Count desired him to reduce what he would wish to +say on that subject to writing, and that Sir John thereupon sent him +a paper, entitled "A Historical Anecdote," of which the following is +a copy. + + _A Project of Lord Rochford to prevent the War._ + + "Before the declaration of France in favor of America, Lord + Rochford, formerly Ambassador in Spain and in France, formed + a project to prevent the war. It was, that England should + propose a great treaty of confederation between France, + Spain, Portugal, and England, the objects of which should be + the three following; the first, a mutual guarantee between + these four powers of their possessions in America and the two + Indies, with a proviso, that a war in Europe should never be + a war in those remote regions on any pretext whatever, fixing + also the number of troops and vessels to be furnished by the + contracting powers against the power that should contravene + the peace in those distant parts. The second object was, to + grant a participation in the commerce of America to France, + Spain, and Portugal, as far as such participation might not + be incompatible with the common interests, and without the + rivalship of English America and England. The third object + was, the adjustment of the contested privileges of the + Americans upon principles just and honorable for them. Lord + Rochford was at that time Secretary of State. He told me, + that the first person to whom he had communicated this + project was the late Prince of Mazarano, Ambassador of Spain, + and that though old and indisposed, he arose and embraced + him, and said, 'Ah! my Lord, what divinity has inspired you?' + Lord Rochford also communicated it to a friend of his, who + was then, and still continues one of the Ministers of the + King of England, who gave it his approbation; but Lord + Rochford soon after quitted the Ministry and retired to the + country, by which accident the project failed of being + presented to the cabinet of the King. + + "I have given a relation of this anecdote, because I am one + of the four or five persons who alone know the truth of it, + and because I am of opinion, that it is not yet too late to + revive a project, which will save a million of Christians + from becoming widows and orphans. As to the first object of + such a confederacy, Lord Rochford did not doubt of the + proposition's being accepted by all the powers, because it + was the interest of all to accept it. The losses of France in + the two Indies the last war, and their misfortunes in the + East Indies in the present one, where, in six weeks, they + have lost all they possessed; the losses of the Spaniards in + the last war in the two Indies, and even the stroke the other + day in the Bay of Honduras, by a young captain with a handful + of soldiers; the facility with which Portugal lost the Island + of St Catharine in the Brazils, and the misfortunes of the + English armies the three last years in America, all prove + that France, Spain, Portugal, and England, have their tender + parts in America and the two Indies, and of consequence, that + they have all an interest in a mutual guarantee of their + possessions in those three parts of the world. + + "As to the second object of the confederacy, I am sensible, + that the idea of the other three powers participating in the + commerce of America, under the limitation of its not being + incompatible with the common interests of English America and + England, is an idea somewhat vague, and subject to disputes. + But, fortunately for humanity, there are five persons in + those five countries, of characters which render them proper + to draw the outlines of some determinate regulations, which + will admit of no disputes, and may enrich France, Spain, and + Portugal, without impoverishing England and her Colonies. In + America there is Doctor Franklin, perhaps the first genius of + the age, who is well acquainted with the commercial + connexions between America and England; France has her + Comptroller-General, who, from his youth, has been brought up + in the practice of commerce; in Spain, we find M. Campomanes, + who has employed the maturity of his life in studies, that + give him a superiority in discussions of this kind; Portugal + will be assisted by the counsels of the Duke of Braganza, who + has gathered knowledge in almost every field, in courts, in + libraries, and even on the exchanges of the merchants of + Europe; and as for England, she has a Minister who, + thoroughly versed in the true interests of commerce, will not + refuse to America what he has just granted to Ireland. + + "As to the third object of the confederation; England, who + much boasts of her own _magna charta_, will make no + difficulty in granting a _magna charta_ to the liberties of + America. Perhaps the best means to expedite this measure + would be to give a _carte blanche_ to Dr Franklin. A generous + confidence is the surest means to secure a generous man. + Spain has two very solid interests in the success of such a + confederacy, and against the independence of America. The + first is, that if English America becomes independent, + Spanish America will be overrun with the contraband of the + Americans thus independent of England. 1. England is bound by + treaties with Spain not to carry on the contraband trade. 2. + She is restrained by the fear of this contraband's drawing a + war upon her in Europe, which was the consequence of it in + the times of Sir Robert Walpole. 3. The dearness of English + and European commodities sets natural bounds to the quantity + of this contraband. But when the Americans are independent, + they will say, first, they are not bound by the treaties of + the English; secondly, they will not be restrained by fear, + being so far from Spain, and having defended themselves + against eighty thousand English soldiers and marines, they + would but little dread the forces of Spain; and thirdly, the + low price of American commodities will cover the Spanish + Colonies with contraband. Indeed, necessity itself will + oblige the Americans either to carry on this contraband, or + to make war on Spanish and Portuguese America and their + Islands. They have neither gold nor silver among themselves, + and without these precious metals, they can neither cultivate + their lands nor carry on commerce. They will only have four + sources from whence to draw them; first, their commerce with + Europe; secondly, pensions from France and Spain; thirdly, a + contraband trade with the Provinces of Spain and Portugal in + the new world; and fourthly, a war in these Provinces. + + "While the Americans continue in a state, which the English + call rebellion, their commerce with Europe will be + interrupted by English cruisers. Thus they will draw but a + small quantity of these precious metals from this first + source. The pensions of France and Spain will be much too + inconsiderable to support the agriculture and manufactures of + so extensive a country. Their only remaining source then for + these metals will be in the contraband, or wars with the + Spanish and Portuguese Provinces. To prevent this contraband, + the treaty of confederation might make provision against the + contraband both of the English and Americans. It is a + delicate point for an Englishman to suggest the means, but + were the two nations sincerely disposed for peace, I could in + a quarter of an hour suggest the infallible means. + + "Spain has another interest, perhaps still greater, against + the independence of the Americans, and, consequently, in + favor of the treaty in question. The Americans, who will be + able to fly with their sails wherever they please, will make + establishments in New Zealand, the Islands of Otaheite, or + some other Islands in the South Sea, from whence they will + torment the Spaniards in that sea, and even the English, the + French, the Portuguese, and the Dutch, in the East India + Seas. Being independent, no treaty will prevent their making + such establishments. They may make them consistent with the + laws of nations. Captain Cook in his last printed voyages + says, there are fortyseven thousand seafaring people in the + Island of Otaheite alone; and Captain Wallis, who discovered + those Islands, told me at Lisbon a few days ago, that the + inhabitants of Otaheite went to the mast-head of the English + ships, and ran on the yard-arms as well in three days' time + as the English mariners, and gave me two reasons for it. The + first was, that living on fish, they are all seafaring + people; and the second, that those who wear no shoes are + always the most dexterous in mounting the upper parts of a + ship. Captain Cook also in the same voyage gives a + description of a port and city in New Zealand, which might in + a few weeks be made impregnable, and one needs only look at + the shape of the Islands in the South Seas, in the maps we + have of them, to be convinced that they have no small number + of these impregnable ports. + + "I show myself as much a friend to Spain, to France, to + Portugal and Holland, as to England, in disclosing the + following idea, which may have escaped others. Heretofore it + was impossible to go to the South Seas with any safety, but + in the months of December and January, and by the dreadful + latitudes round Cape Horn. But the late discoveries of + Captain Cook and other Englishmen have demonstrated the + practicability of going thither in every month of the year, + round the Cape of Good Hope, and the fine latitude of New + Zealand, and in almost the same time; the one being a passage + of four and the other of five months. Because the same west + wind, which blows almost the whole of the year, and retards + the vessels passing by Cape Horn, carries them with rapidity + by the Cape of Good Hope and New Zealand. Hence it follows, + that when the Americans quarrel with Spain, perhaps on the + subject of the contraband, they will send their ships on the + coast of Chili from their establishments in the South Seas, + by the latitudes of New Zealand, and with the west winds, + which always blow in that quarter. This is a voyage of only + five weeks; for Captain Cook in one voyage, and Captain + Fourneaux in another, went from New Zealand to Cape Horn in + less time, and the journal of the winds annexed to the voyage + of Captain Cook shews, that the west winds in those latitudes + bear to the east the proportion of ten to one. When their + vessels are on the coasts of Chili, they will take the + advantage of the land wind, which, blowing constantly from + south to north, will carry them along the coasts of Chili and + Peru. With this wind they will go in fourteen days to the Bay + of Panama, and in the course of this voyage they will ravage + the sea coasts, and make prizes of all the vessels they meet. + The naval force of Spain at Lima will not have it in their + power to hinder them, for the same south wind, which will + push the Americans forward, will prevent the fleets of Spain + going to meet them. From the Bay of Panama they will return + by the great wind of the tropics, which never fails blowing + from east to west, either to their settlements in the South + Seas, or to sell their prizes in the seas of China or India, + from whence they will perhaps again return with new vessels, + newly manned, to repeat their ravages. Their return will + either be by New Zealand in coming from the Indies, or by the + latitude of forty north in coming from China. In this last + case they will fall on Mexico, and profiting of the land + winds which always blow there from north to the Bay of + Panama, they will ravage Mexico as before they ravaged Chili + and Peru. From the Bay of Panama they will return by the + great tropic wind, either to their own homes in the South + Seas, or to the seas of Asia to renew a war, insulting, + tormenting, and without remedy. + + "On the other hand, when at war with England, France, + Portugal, or Holland, they will direct their course from + their establishments in the South Seas, and fall upon the + possessions of those powers in the East Indies. They will + have two great routes to go and return by; the one to the + west of New Zealand, the other by the Islands between China + and New Holland, and in this they will have as many passages + as there are Islands. Thence follows the impossibility of + waylaying their vessels, either going or on their return. + These consequences may all be prevented by the treaty + proposed by Lord Rochford, in which it might be stipulated + that these Islands shall forever belong to their present + inhabitants and their posterity, for certainly the nation who + shall first possess herself of them will command the commerce + of the South Seas and those of Asia. + + "Europe, wishing for the independence of America, resembles a + man asleep on ice, and not sensible that ice thaws, and + therefore to give the greater weight to the confederation, + Holland and Denmark, who have interests in both the new + worlds, might be invited to become contracting parties to + those articles of treaty, which regard the mutual guarantee. + + "The reason of the frequent breach of treaties is, that they + are made without provision for the future reciprocal + interests of the contracting nations. The only ones that I + know of, that pay attention to this object, are the treaties + between Portugal and England; by which Portugal gains a + preference for the sale of her wines in England, and England + for the sale of her cloths in Portugal. The consequence is, + that there never has, and in appearance never will be, a war + between Portugal and England. It would not be difficult, + either in the general confederation, or by separate treaties + of commerce between England on the one part, and the three + kingdoms of Spain, Portugal, and France respectively on the + other, to advance infinitely the commercial interests of all + three, by their connexions with England. Spain having wines, + oil, fruits, salt, fine wools, and some other articles, which + England has not, and England having iron, with coal in the + same fields for the manufacturing of it, and by the moistness + of her climate long wool for cloths of a low price, also tin, + fish, with some other articles, which Spain has not, it + follows, that when England is rich she will buy more articles + of Spain, and when Spain is rich she will buy more articles + of England, and consequently, that one cannot enrich herself + without enriching the other. The same reasoning applies to + the natural connexions between England and Portugal. There is + even a natural connexion between England and France in many + articles of commerce, if the jealousy of fools, and + misinformed persons did not perpetually interrupt it. I have + heard from certain authority, that had the Abbe Terray + continued in the Ministry of France, there would have been a + tariff between France and England for the entry, on the most + favorable conditions, of the wines and articles of mode of + the one nation, and the manufactures of iron and wheat of the + other, and England might have procured the consent of + Portugal for the diminution of her commerce of wines with + England by other indemnifications. England in favor of + France, Spain, and Portugal, might, without injury to herself + even permit the exportation of those wools, paying a duty at + the exportation thereof. The exportation of the superfluous + wool, would be an advantage to the proprietors of lands in + England, to the King in furnishing him a new revenue, and to + those three nations, in giving them an article necessary for + their manufactures. + + "Unfortunately for humanity, the Abbe Terray is no more; but + happily for humanity, Dr Franklin, the Comptroller-General of + France, M. Compomanes, the Duke of Braganza, and Lord North + are all still living, and the King of Spain, with the Count + de Florida Blanca, may put all these five in motion. + + "For my part I have no authority from the English Ministers + to present this project, but living in friendship with the + greater part of them, and on an intimate footing with the + others, I am certain that some of the sentiments in this + memorial correspond with their manner of thinking on the + subject. I confess I received a letter in Portugal, fourteen + days before my departure for Spain, from Lord Rochford, who + is not at present in the Ministry, but who is so taken up + with a project that does him so much honor, that he has + advised me to feel the pulses on the possibility of making it + succeed, and that I have a letter on the same subject from + the Duke of Braganza, who entered into the views of my Lord + Rochford not as a politician, but as a friend to humanity. + + "Encouraged by such men, and still more by the dictates of my + own heart, I wrote to one of the English Ministers, that if I + did not find minds too much heated, and there was no danger + of giving offence, I intended to do justice to the project of + my Lord Rochford, in Spain and in France, and begged him to + send me an answer to Paris whether the Ministry of England + approved or disapproved my intentions. + + "I have only to add, that my views being to unite, and not to + separate nations, I have no objection that the Ministers of + France and Dr Franklin should each have a copy of this + memorial." + +The Count spoke of Sir John and his anecdote very properly, and +concluded with assurances of the King's firmness. + +The manner in which Sir John speaks of Dr Franklin, however just, I +impute to a design of injuring the confidence reposed in him by his +constituents. + +The house of Gardoqui at Bilboa are rich, in favor with the Ministry, +and friends to America. The Navy Board have sent to them for goods for +the use of the navy, and have remitted to them only an inconsiderable +part of the sum to which they will amount, desiring the residue on +credit, and promising speedy payment. One of the House now here spoke +to me on the subject; I advised him to complete the orders. It is of +the utmost consequence that the Navy Board be punctual in their +remittances. American credit is not high, and ought to be higher. I am +the more anxious on this subject, as that House is exceedingly well +disposed, and a disappointment would not only be injurious to them, +but much more so to us. Perhaps it would be a good rule if the United +States were to contract debts only with Governments, and never with +individuals abroad. + +I received a letter last week from a Captain Hawkins at Cadiz, +informing me that the Americans, who had escaped from captivity and +were collected there, were fitting out a vessel for America, which +they were arming, and wished to be enabled to act offensively and +defensively in their way home, by having a proper commission from me +for that purpose. As I had neither blank commissions nor authority to +grant them, I referred him to Dr Franklin. + +Congress will be pleased to consider how far it may be proper to +remove these obstacles, by sending me both. This leads me again to +remind your Excellency of several letters I wrote you from Cadiz, +respecting American seamen coming to Spain from captivity at Gibraltar +and other places. As copies of these letters have been sent by +different vessels, I presume some of them have reached you. It +certainly is necessary that provision be made for these people, and in +a regular established manner. I am very desirous of instructions on +this subject. + +The credit given me by Congress on Dr Franklin is expended, and I am +without other means of obtaining supplies than by private credit, +which I am at a loss to satisfy. To apply to, and be maintained by +the Court, is, in my opinion, too humiliating to be for the public +good; and as yet I have neither received nor heard of remittances +from America. It would give me pleasure to know in what manner +Congress mean I should be supplied, and whether any measures have been +taken for that purpose. + +I am much embarrassed for the means of conveying and receiving +intelligence. Being at a great distance from the sea, all my letters +to and from thence here must either be conveyed by private couriers or +the public post. All my letters by the latter, whether in France or +Spain, are opened. By that conveyance, therefore, it would not always +be proper to write either to Congress, to Dr Franklin, Mr Adams, or +others, with that freedom which would often be useful, and sometimes +necessary. The salary allowed me, so far from admitting the expense of +private couriers, is inadequate for the common purposes for which it +was given. This is a delicate subject, and I wish it was not my duty +to say anything respecting it. This place is the dearest in Europe. +The Court is never stationary, passing part of the year in no less +than five different places, viz. Madrid, Pardo, Aranjues, St +Ildefonso, and the Escurial; hence considerable expenses arise. I +forbear enumerating particulars, my design being only to mention this +matter to Congress, not to press it upon them. I shall always live +agreeably to my circumstances; and if, from their being too narrow, +inconveniences result to the public, they ought to be informed of it. +I hope what I have said will be viewed in this light only; so far as I +am personally interested, I am content. + +Mr Harrison, a gentleman of Maryland, now here, will be the bearer of +this letter to Cadiz. I therefore embrace this good and unusual +opportunity of being so minute and explicit in it. + +The family of Galvez is numerous and of weight. The one on the +Mississippi has written favorably of the Americans to his brothers +here, three of whom are in office. It would be well to cultivate this +disposition whenever opportunities of doing it offer. + +The resolution providing for Spanish prisoners at New York was well +judged. + +Dr Franklin is more advantageously circumstanced than I am to gain and +transmit to Congress intelligence of the disposition of Holland and of +the Northern Powers. + +From the conduct of their ministers here, I have no reason to predict +much to our advantage. They are cold, and I have received nothing more +than common civility from any of them, except the Ministers of Holland +and Sweden, and indeed not much more from them. Perhaps they have been +rendered unusually cautious by an extract of a letter from Madrid in +the Leyden paper, mentioning the precious reception Mr Carmichael met +with here, and the attentions he received from the foreign Ministers. +You have probably seen it in the _Courier de l'Europe_. + +From what I hear of the character of the Empress of Russia, I cannot +but think that a prudent agent there would be very useful. They say +she is sensible, proud, and ambitious. Hence I infer that such a mark +of attention would be grateful, and consequently useful. + +I should have given your Excellency seasonable intelligence of the +Spanish fleet and armament, which lately sailed from Cadiz, as I +believe to the Havana, and whose objects I suspect to be the Floridas +or Jamaica, or probably both, but I omitted writing on that subject +previous to the departure of the fleet, from a persuasion that any +letters by the post containing such advices would not be permitted to +proceed, and therefore I thought it unnecessary; nor will I now swell +the pages of this letter, already very voluminous, by entering into +particulars relative to it, especially as that armament will probably +have begun its operations before this letter will come to your +Excellency's hands. + +The reports of dissensions in Congress, which prevailed here prior to +my arrival, and the causes to which they were ascribed, had filled +this Court with apprehensions; and it gives me pleasure to assure you, +that the present appearance of union in Congress is attended here with +very happy effects. + +The people in this country are in almost total darkness about us. +Scarce any American publications have reached them, nor are they +informed of the most recent and important events in that country. The +affairs of Stony Point, Paulus Hook, &c. &c. have never been heard of +here, except perhaps by the great officers of state, and they could +scarcely believe that the Roman Catholic religion was even tolerated +there. + +There are violent prejudices among them against us. Many of them have +even serious doubts of our being civilized, and mention a strange +story of a ship driven into Virginia by distress, about thirty years +ago, that was plundered by the inhabitants, and some of the crew +killed in a manner and under circumstances which, if true, certainly +indicate barbarity. The King and Ministry are warm, yet I have reason +to believe that the bulk of the nation is cold towards us; they appear +to me to like the English, hate the French, and to have prejudices +against us. + +I mention these things to show in a strong light the necessity of +punctuality in sending me from time to time all American intelligence +of importance, and observing such conduct towards Spaniards in +general, as may tend to impress them with more favorable sentiments of +us. There was a little uneasiness among the mercantile people at Cadiz +respecting the capture of some Spanish vessels by privateers. I hope +the former have had ample justice done them; it certainly is of great +importance that they should have reason to be satisfied. + +Your Excellency may observe that I have written very particularly. +Both this Court and that of France have very particular information +respecting the proceedings of Congress. + +Want of prudence, rather than virtue, I believe to be the cause. I +nevertheless think it my duty to give Congress from time to time full +information of their affairs here, and shall not be restrained by the +apprehension of any consequences, that may result from want of secrecy +there. I make it a rule to write on these subjects only to Congress, +and to them very particularly. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +_P. S._ Congress may think it extraordinary, that Mr Carmichael's +handwriting does not appear in this letter. He is, with my +approbation, now at Aranjues, and I must do him the justice to say, +that he is always ready and willing to do his duty as Secretary. + + J. J. + + +FOOTNOTES: + +[18] See above, dated January 26th, p. 194. + +[19] See this letter in Arthur Lee's Correspondence, Vol. II p. 276. + +[20] See above, p. 195. + +[21] See above, p. 199. + +[22] See p. 203. + +[23] See p. 210. + + * * * * * + + TO THE COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. + + Madrid, May 27th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +On the 27th of last month I had the pleasure of receiving your favor +of the 11th of December, 1779, with copies of the resolutions of +Congress, for drawing on Mr Laurens and myself for one hundred +thousand pounds sterling each. + +I had the honor of writing to Congress yesterday very fully respecting +their affairs in this kingdom, and particularly on the subject of +those resolutions. + +I have not yet had the pleasure of hearing of Mr Lauren's arrival, +about which I am anxious. Be pleased to assure Congress, that Mr +Laurens shall receive from me every mark of attention, and all the aid +in my power to afford. The latter I fear will not be great. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO JAMES LOVELL. + + Madrid, May 27th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Eight days ago I had the pleasure of receiving a packet containing +journals and newspapers. + +From an endorsement I conjecture that I am indebted to you for it. +There was no letter enclosed in it. I am much obliged by this +attention. American intelligence is of more importance here (where +they have little of it) than can well be imagined. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL TO JOHN JAY. + + Aranjues, May 27th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +Since my letter of the 25th instant, I have very strong reason to +believe, in consequence of conversations I have had with persons who +ought to be well informed, that the fleet and troops, which sailed +from Cadiz the 28th ultimo, are destined in the first instance to the +Windward Islands, to act in concert with the squadron of the Count de +Guichen, from thence as circumstances may render it proper they will +proceed to Jamaica or the Floridas; for it appears to be the intention +of the Spanish, as well as of the French Court, to detach a part at +least of their force in the Islands to the continent, as soon as the +hurricane season in the West Indies renders it dangerous for them to +act against the enemy in that part of the world. I do not mention by +letter my source of information, because I do not choose to hazard the +loss of intelligence, which I may gain from the same persons, by the +miscarriage of letters. I shall however mention it to you _viva voce_, +in order to enable you to judge of the credit due to my information. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + WILLIAM CARMICHAEL. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 28th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Since closing my letter of the 26th instant, I have received from Mr +Carmichael the interesting intelligence contained in the enclosed +paper.[24] He is now here, and has communicated to me the channel +through which he obtained it, from which I think his information +deserves belief, and his address in obtaining it credit. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[24] See the preceding letter. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 28th, 1780. + + Sir, + +In the journal of the proceedings of Congress of November, 1779, I +find that on the 8th day of that month they were pleased to come to +the following resolution. "Resolved, that the late and former +Presidents of Congress be desired to lodge, as soon as they +conveniently can in the Secretary's office, copies of all public +letters by them respectively written during their Presidentship." +After I resigned the chair, and immediately on your Excellency's +election, I delivered a book, containing copies of the public letters +I had written during my Presidentship, to your Excellency, who +promised to lodge it in the Secretary's office, which, I am persuaded, +was accordingly done. It gives me concern therefore to find this +resolution is made to extend to me, and I flatter myself Congress will +do me the justice to let it appear, by the entry to be made on their +journals of the receipt of this letter, that I had done that part of +my duty in season, and without their express request. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, May 30th, 1780. + + Sir, + +On the 26th instant I had the honor of writing a very long and +particular letter to your Excellency, by the way of Cadiz, of which a +duplicate has also been sent. To the contents of that letter I have +nothing new to add, except that two of the bills directed to be drawn +upon me have arrived. + +I shall go tomorrow to Aranjues, from whence I shall embrace the first +opportunity of communicating to Congress the further progress of their +affairs here. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Without date. + + Sir, + +By vessels lately arrived from the continent, and from St Eustatia, +there appeared here some bills drawn by the Treasurer of Loans in +America on Henry Laurens, Commissioner for the States in Amsterdam. +Every body has been surprised at it, and we in particular, as we were +directly applied to. We said at the first, that we expected Mr Laurens +would be in town very soon, begging them to keep those bills a +fortnight, and that, at all events, we would accept them. We have seen +others since more willing to wait; but not knowing what sums may have +been drawn for already, we are in hopes to be soon released from this +anxiety by the arrival of the Minister. As we think your Excellency +may have some intelligence about this matter, and have it in your +power at the same time to save the credit of America, if Mr Laurens by +any accident should not arrive, we beg the favor to be informed how to +conduct ourselves. In the mean time we will do what lies in our power +to prevent all noise and trouble about them. In case Mr Laurens should +not arrive, your Excellency will have time left to make or provide for +remittances, as the bills are drawn at six months' sight. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, June 1st, 1780. + + Sir, + +Craving reference to our last, we have now the honor to propose to +your Excellency on what terms we think all difficulty on account of +the absence of Henry Laurens, as Commissioner from Congress here, may +be prevented. We have written the same to Dr Franklin in France, +offering him to accept all those bills, provided he gives us +permission to re-draw directly on him for account of Congress, and to +do it even at seven or eight months, until, by the arrival of Mr +Laurens, or in some other way, this matter may be arranged, for there +must certainly be provision made for those bills, and the sums we do +not think will exceed two or three hundred thousand guilders before Mr +Laurens's arrival here may be known in America, and matters are +settled. We even offered those transactions without any view of +interest, as for a commission. The importance of the business must +have influence with every one, who has any regard for the United +States; and this emboldened us even to trouble your Excellency with +this relation, not doubting but you might equally find means to make +matters easy at all events; for the terrible loss which there would be +on such bills, if protested, must be prevented, and the honor of the +credit of America must be saved. We hope our endeavor for it may be +approved of, and have the desired end. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, June 8th, 1780. + + Sir, + +In conformity with what we have informed you, that we had engaged for +the acceptance of some of the bills drawn on Henry Laurens, since +nothing has been heard of him as yet, we accepted those on the first +instant, and we hope your Excellency, as well as Dr Franklin, may +approve of our proceeding, and of the method we have proposed for our +reimbursement, in case Mr Laurens may not appear, or that they should +not be provided for in time. Certain it is that those bills should be +honored for the credit of America. At the same time, it is not in the +power of a mercantile house to stand for the whole; yet the measure +proposed may make it easy, since the sums will not be so large but +that they may be easily provided for in Spain and France by the +Plenipotentiary Ministers. And for ourselves, we only desire to be +properly empowered to draw again for any sums we may accept. As there +was no time to get the matter previously adjusted, we will go on, and +see how our plan may be agreed to and approved of. + +We have the honor to be always with the most devoted regard, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, June 16th, 1780. + + Sir, + +The embarrassments, which the depreciation of the currency had created +in the public affairs at the time of your departure for Europe, were, +as you may well remember, very distressing, and have, till lately, +continued to increase. Congress, greatly anxious to avail themselves +of every possible means of checking this evil, on the 23d of November +last ventured on the expedient of drawing bills upon you for one +hundred thousand pounds sterling, as you have been already advised by +letter of December the 11th following. This they thought they might +risk, considering the importance of the object. But as the time of +your arrival in Europe could not be counted upon with certainty, and +as the negotiation might not be immediately practicable, and moreover, +as a disappointment would be highly injurious to the public faith, +they determined to draw the bills at six months' sight, which we hope +will allow sufficient leisure for every preparation. + +It will not be amiss to observe, that Congress have not taken this +measure without some circumstances of encouragement, that a fund to +satisfy the draft would not be unattainable. Since the agreeable news +of your arrival, and to answer a purpose of great national utility, +Congress, by their resolution of the 19th instant, have directed bills +to be drawn for the additional sum of twentyfive thousand dollars, +payable at sixty days' sight. The exertions necessary at this crisis +require the command of a considerable sum of money; but these drafts, +we hope, will not be increased till we have intelligence from you +respecting your prospects and assurances. We have the pleasure to +inform you, that from the measures, which have lately been adopted, +and with which you are made acquainted by the journals, the finances +begin to assume a better appearance, and our public affairs in general +will, we hope, be delivered from many of the embarrassments under +which they have labored, but we earnestly entreat you to push every +possible exertion for procuring aids of money from the Court of Spain, +without which we are fearful the measures of Congress fully to restore +the currency and prosecute the war with good effect will fall short of +the desired success. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JAMES LOVELL, + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON, + WILLIAM C. HOUSTON. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON, AT AMSTERDAM. + + Madrid, June 18th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +Accept my thanks for your favors on the subject of the bills drawn on +Mr Laurens. The kind concern you take in the credit and prosperity of +the United States merits their acknowledgments, and I shall take the +first opportunity of communicating to Congress your very friendly +propositions relative to the acceptance of the bills. + +Whether Dr Franklin is in circumstances to agree to these propositions +I know not. They certainly are very generous and liberal, and would be +attended with very happy effects. I am persuaded, that Congress would +strain every nerve to fulfill them. I have no intelligence whatever of +Mr Laurens, and am much at a loss to conjecture what should detain +him. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, June 25th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +Your favor of the 8th instant came to hand yesterday. The receipt of +the letters referred to in it was acknowledged by the last post. Your +plan for paying the bills drawn on Mr Laurens is noble and generous. I +heartily wish it may succeed, and that things could be so adjusted as +that you might not be exposed to loss or inconvenience by it. But, +gentlemen, as to this matter, I have neither instructions, nor the +means of preventing the evils you mention. If I had the money, or +could procure it, I would, without hesitation, engage to repay you +punctually, but that is not the case. That Congress will repay you +with gratitude I am certain, but whether quite so soon as your +convenience may require, is more doubtful, because the absence of Mr +Laurens is an event they did not foresee, and consequently did not +provide against. If you could make a loan for the United States in +your country, the money might be applied for the discharge of these +bills. I am sure you would do Congress a very acceptable service by +it. I have not yet heard from Dr Franklin on this subject. You may +rely on all the aid in my power to render, and I should be very happy +if it could be equal to the present exigency. I am not without +difficulties respecting the bills drawn upon me. If these difficulties +should cease, and I should be in a capacity to assist you, I will +immediately let you know it, but of this there is as yet no great +prospect. + +As a man, I admire and esteem your conduct, and as an American I +thank you. Be assured, therefore, that I shall omit no opportunity of +convincing you of the regard and attachment, with which I have the +honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, July 10th, 1780. + + Sir, + +As a late and particular letter from me to your Excellency is now on +the way to America, and as I purpose to write again very fully by the +successor of M. Mirales, I decline saying much in this letter, which I +shall send by a circuitous and hazardous route. + +I have accepted bills to the amount of between eleven and twelve +thousand dollars. They arrive slowly, and I am very glad of it. No +news of Mr Laurens; I regret his absence. I hope the terms for the +sale of the bills on me will not be lowered. Remittances have really +become necessary. Distressed American seamen cost a great deal. The +house of Le Couteulx has advanced money for them at Cadiz. + +I had yesterday an application from the director of a hospital at St +Andeira, desiring to be informed whether I would be responsible for +the ordinary expenses of receiving and curing a New England master of +a vessel, who had escaped from captivity pennyless, having one of his +legs so injured by iron fetters as to be in danger of losing it. These +are calls of humanity, and I entreat Congress to enable me to obey +them, and to establish specific regulations for the conduct of these +affairs. + +The surrender of Charleston is the subject of much speculation, and +many unfavorable conjectures. I have received no public letters since +I left America, except one from the Committee, enclosing the +resolutions for drawing bills on me. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, July 13th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Never letter could have been more welcome than the favor your +Excellency honored us with of the 25th of the past month, since it +expressed a true concern about the bills drawn on Mr Laurens, and your +approbation of our conduct. As we from the beginning acted from +principle in the American cause, and never will prevaricate, this is +only from the same motive, but we shall be sorry if we should not be +supported, and that it is out of your Excellency's power to do it. We +cannot judge how far those drafts may go, and if we had not expected +that your Excellency, as well as Dr Franklin, would have been willing +and able to answer for a trifle, (one or two hundred thousand +guilders) in such a matter as this, it would have been a folly to +undertake it. + +Dr Franklin wrote to us, that people would be satisfied to have the +bills enregistered, but we found the contrary; several of them would +have them duly protested, and until today we have again accepted them +all; but how it will go further we do not know. We were very sensible +to the hint your Excellency was pleased to give us, of making a loan +here. We might from time to time have got some money in that way, if +properly authorised; and our good will and influence certainly would +have brought it further than it had been done by the House, which was +formerly intrusted with it, and we have long ago desired a loan should +be opened in our hands, but we never could properly obtain it. A +trifle of allowance, and chiefly the largeness of the sum, which was +required from us to answer for at once, prevented it; so we did not +think proper to mention it again. We can and may work for glory, but +on a large scale we cannot sacrifice our own interest. Every +catastrophe in favor of or against America, has with our public a +great influence. So the capture of Charleston would be very much +against us at this moment for such a purpose; and though we could not +flatter ourselves to go any length with it, a very particular +circumstance might revive the American spirit; and it would even +require some time before such a power was brought into due terms, +whereon we could engage anything. + +This is certain, that in a moment as critical as the present, a small +sum would save the honor of Congress, and in that light could not be +paid for too dear; which made us think on a method, that your +Excellency could employ a banker, and likewise Dr Franklin; that we, +drawing on either of your Excellencies, if we were sure you would +approve of it, could prolong terms in all probability, and without +doubt as long as should be needful, and until the arrival of Mr +Laurens, and that by his means and instructions proper measures could +be taken. + +We must also expect, that Congress, (as on the first days of May they +were informed, that Mr Laurens had not sailed,) will have been +attentive to provide for those bills, and have considered the +consequences, as we do in Europe. We write the same idea to Dr +Franklin, and propose to him, if he should not approve of such a +method, or find a better, to empower us for a loan, as we know he had +formerly instructions thereon. We are too nice and anxious for the +credit of Congress to make any use thereof, if it should hurt matters +any way; but it is not possible to know what may be done before a +proper trial; and we are obliged at last to speak plain, that whatever +bills now further should offer, we cannot accept any more. We wish our +proposals may not seem incongruous; we make them with the more +assurance, as we are not guided by any other motive, than by the most +extended desire to prevent every difficulty, which could in any way +affect the reputation of the United States. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + DE NEUFVILLE & SON TO JOHN JAY. + + Amsterdam, July 28th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Since we had the honor of writing to your Excellency, it is but just, +that we should inform you of the success of our proceedings in the +acceptance of the bills drawn on Henry Laurens, for which Dr Franklin, +by his last favor, has engaged, offering to accept further bills, when +sent to him, until the arrival of Mr Laurens, or that some good reason +may appear for the contrary. As this will answer the same purpose, and +we think it best, that there should not seem to be any alteration, we +offer today to continue our acceptance until forbid, under guarantee +of our being reimbursed in time. We are very much pleased, that the +matter is thus far settled for the honor of Congress. + +We have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, July 29th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +Your favor of the 13th instant was delivered to me last evening. I +admire the generous principles, which lead you to take so decided and +friendly a part in favor of America. I have too great confidence in +the honor, justice, and gratitude of Congress to suspect, that they +will permit you to be sufferers by your exertions in their favor. On +the contrary, I am persuaded they will entertain a proper sense of +your disinterested attachment, and with pleasure take every +opportunity of acknowledging it. + +Mr Laurens's absence is much to be regretted; his endeavors, aided by +your assistance, would probably have prevented the embarrassments, +which have taken place. I have not as yet received any advices of his +having sailed, and your information of his not having left America in +May is true. By a letter from a gentleman at Cadiz of the 21st instant +I learn, that a vessel from North Carolina had arrived in fortynine +days, and left Mr Laurens there on his way to Philadelphia. I am at a +loss to account for this, having no intelligence from America on the +subject. Perhaps his design was to sail from Philadelphia. If so, we +may still look out for him. Prudence, however, demands, that every +possible step be taken to alleviate the inconveniences arising from +his absence. If my power extended to this case, I should, without +hesitation, authorise you in a proper manner to make a loan in +Holland, and be much obliged to you for undertaking it. But my +instructions do not reach so far; all I can do is to advise as an +individual, and as a public servant, to represent in a true light to +Congress your benevolent efforts to preserve their credit. If Dr +Franklin has such instructions as you suppose, and his circumstances +will admit of it, I can at present see no objections to his taking +some such measures as you propose, until Mr Laurens's arrival; but of +this, he alone can properly judge. I shall write to him on the +subject, and you may rely on my doing everything in my power. I assure +you I feel myself, as an American, so much obliged by your generous +zeal to serve my country, that I shall be happy in being instrumental +to render the issue of it as agreeable and honorable to you, as the +principles on which you act are meritorious and noble. + +I flatter myself, that the unfavorable influence, which the capture of +Charleston has on the public, will be of short duration. When they +reflect, that America has nobly sustained a six years' war, fought +hard battles with various success, and lost and regained several of +their cities, they will find it ridiculous to believe, that the fate +of the Thirteen States is involved in that of one or two towns. The +like impressions were made, when New York, Philadelphia, and +Ticonderoga fell into the enemy's hands; and those impressions were +again removed by the battle of Trenton, the evacuation of +Philadelphia, the battle of Monmouth, the defeat and capture of +General Burgoyne and his army, and other victories on our side. Many +of these great events happened when America had no ally, and when +Britain had no other objects to divide her force. It is not +reasonable, therefore, to imagine, that the power of Britain has been +augmented by the accession of two formidable enemies, or that the +power of America has been diminished in proportion as the number of +her friends increased. + +Depend upon it, that as the spirit of America has always risen with +the successes of her enemies they will not, on this occasion, throw +away their arms, and ingloriously pass under the yoke of a nation +whose conduct towards her has been marked by injustice and oppression +in peace, and by malice and wanton barbarity in war. + +With sentiments of sincere regard and esteem, I have the honor to be, +&c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, August 16th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +My last to you was dated July 29th, in answer to yours of the 13th of +the same month. I have since had the pleasure to receive your favor of +the 28th of July, and am happy to hear that Dr Franklin has been able +to take the step you mention. I cannot forbear again to repeat the +sense I have of your very friendly conduct on this occasion. I assure +you I shall rejoice in every opportunity of acknowledging the +obligations you have conferred on my country. Such disinterested acts +of friendship are not common, and ought never to be forgotten. + +With sentiments of great and sincere esteem and regard, I have the +honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO SILAS DEANE. + + St Ildefonso, September 8th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +If I could easily be angry with an old friend, I should be so with +you. Your silence is unkind, and the more so as you might probably +have communicated things useful, as well as entertaining. Before we +parted in America, you gave me a cypher, and I really promised myself +much from it on your arrival in Europe. I could almost wish that the +winds had blown you this way. I would give a good deal for a day's +conversation with you, but that is impossible. A correspondence is the +only substitute, and perhaps you have detached yourself too much from +public concerns and public men to be troubled with it. I hope this is +not the case. It would be wrong to extend to a whole nation the +resentments excited by a few. Perhaps other reasons may have induced +your silence; whatever they may be I regret them. + +Adieu. I am, dear Sir, your most obedient servant, + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Ildefonso, September 16th, 1780. + + Sir, + +This letter and several copies of it are to be sent by the next post +to Bilboa, Cadiz, Nantes, &c. The object of it is to inform you, that +it is necessary immediately to cease drawing bills upon me for the +present. + +Your Excellency may soon expect a full detail of particulars; you will +then receive an answer to every question that may be raised upon this +letter. + +His Catholic Majesty has been pleased to offer his responsibility to +facilitate a loan of one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for us, +payable in three years, and to promise us some clothing. This need not +be kept secret. I have written several letters to your Excellency, but +have received only one from the Committee since I left America. It +covered the resolutions respecting these bills. + +The Philadelphia bank, the ladies' subscriptions, and other +indications of union and public spirit, have a fine effect here. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY. + + In Congress, October 4th, 1780. + +On the report of a committee to whom were referred certain +instructions to the delegates of Virginia by their constituents, and a +letter of the 26th of May, from the Honorable John Jay, Congress +unanimously agreed to the following instructions to the Honorable John +Jay, Minister Plenipotentiary of the United States of America, at the +Court of Madrid. + +That the said Minister adhere to his former instructions, respecting +the right of the United States of America to the free navigation of +the river Mississippi into and from the sea; which right, if an +express acknowledgment of it cannot be obtained from Spain, is not by +any stipulation on the part of America to be relinquished. To render +the treaty to be concluded between the two nations permanent, nothing +can more effectually contribute, than a proper attention, not only to +the present but the future reciprocal interests of the contracting +powers. + +The river Mississippi being the boundary of several States in the +union, and their citizens, while connected with Great Britain, and +since the revolution, having been accustomed to the free use thereof, +in common with the subjects of Spain, and no instance of complaint or +dispute having resulted from it, there is no reason to fear, that the +future mutual use of the river by the subjects of the two nations, +actuated by friendly dispositions, will occasion any interruption of +that harmony which it is the desire of America, as well as of Spain, +should be perpetual. That if the unlimited freedom of the navigation +of the river Mississippi, with a free port, or ports below the 31st +degree of north latitude, accessible to merchant ships, cannot be +obtained from Spain, the said Minister in that case be at liberty to +enter into such equitable regulations as may appear a necessary +security against contraband; provided the right of the United States +to the free navigation of the river be not relinquished, and a free +port or ports as above described be stipulated to them. + +That with respect to the boundary alluded to in his letter of the 26th +of May last, the said Minister be, and hereby is instructed, to adhere +strictly to the boundaries of the United States as already fixed by +Congress. Spain having by the treaty of Paris ceded to Great Britain +all the country to the northeastward of the Mississippi, the people +inhabiting these States, while connected with Great Britain, and also +since the revolution, have settled themselves at divers places to the +westward near the Mississippi, are friendly to the revolution, and +being citizens of these United States, and subject to the laws of +those to which they respectively belong, Congress cannot assign them +over as subjects to any other power. + +That the said Minister be further informed, that in case Spain shall +eventually be in possession of East and West Florida, at the +termination of the war, it is of the greatest importance to these +United States to have the use of the waters running out of Georgia +through West Florida into the Bay of Mexico, for the purpose of +navigation; and that he be instructed to endeavor to obtain the same, +subject to such regulations as may be agreed on between the +contracting parties; and that as a compensation for this, he be and +hereby is empowered to guaranty the possession of the said Floridas to +the Crown of Spain. + + * * * * * + + TO DE NEUFVILLE & SON. + + Madrid, October 4th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +I have lately had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the 7th of +September. After the proofs you have given of disinterested zeal in +the cause of liberty and America, I cannot harbor a doubt of your +opposing the measures of a Court industriously employed in attempts to +destroy both. + +Your sentiments respecting the expediency of a connexion between the +United States and your Republic concur with my own, and I am persuaded +that those who know and wish well to the interests of both will +assiduously promote it. + +As I have received no further intelligence respecting Mr Laurens, I +can add nothing on that subject. I cannot doubt but that good reasons +have detained him, though I do not know what they are. Congress, I am +sure, will continue their attention to the objects of his appointment, +and will be happy in cultivating a friendly connexion with a people +whose history exhibits many instances of heroic and glorious exertions +in a cause similar to their own. Those among you who know history, and +venerate the names and characters of their forefathers, cannot consent +to be the instruments of despotism, to deprive others of those rights +which were purchased for themselves by the blood of their own +ancestors. + +When or how far it may consist with the views of Congress to make +mercantile appointments in your country, I cannot determine; should +they ever become necessary, I cannot doubt of your being remembered. +The most powerful recommendation I can give them, will be by sending +them our correspondence; and for that purpose, copies of all the +letters that have passed between us are now preparing, and shall, +together with duplicates and triplicates, be sent by the first +vessels. + +As to the late ordinance of Spain establishing a paper currency, it is +a subject on which I make no remarks, and for this very good reason, +that the policy and propriety of that measure are objects without my +sphere, on which I can have no influence, and which would not be +altered by anything I might say or write about them. + +The Mexican dollars, mentioned in the bills drawn upon me, I +understand to be only another name for Spanish milled dollars, which +you know pass here at twenty reals of vellon. How far the sale or +payment of these may be affected by the paper in question I know not, +though I must confess that I do not apprehend so much evil from it as +some others do. These bills will be on an equal footing with all +others drawn on Spain, and you will readily suppose it not to be in +my power to put them on a better. + +The King of Spain has been so kind as to offer to become responsible +to a certain amount for monies which I may borrow for Congress, +payable in three years. Be so kind as to inform me whether this could +be done in your country, on their _joint credit_, how far, and on what +terms. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO JAMES LOVELL. + + Madrid, October 27th, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + +Your letter of the 11th of July gave me much pleasure. There is a +degree of ease and cordiality in it, which, as mere letters of +business do not require, I am the more obliged to you for. + +It is true that I might write to Congress very often, indeed by every +vessel, and there are many of them. But how are my letters to get to +the sea-side? By the post? They would be _all_ inspected, and many +suppressed. There is scarce a man in any of the ports, except Mr +Harrison at Cadiz, with whom I would trust them; so that if, under +different covers, I should get them there, the danger would not end. +To write often, and write nothing material, would be useless; and when +you see my public letters, by this opportunity, you will perceive, +that, to be well understood, I must write a great deal. + +I would throw stones too, with all my heart, if I thought they would +hit only the committee, without injuring the members of it. Till now I +have received but one letter from them, and that not worth a farthing, +though it conveyed a draft for one hundred thousand pounds sterling +on the bank of hope. + +One good private correspondent would be worth twenty committees, made +of the wisest heads in America, for the purpose of intelligence. What +with clever wives, or pretty girls, or pleasant walks, or too tired, +or too busy, or do you do it, very little is done, much postponed, +and more neglected. If you are naturally industrious, and love your +country, you would frequently take up your pen and your cyphers, and +tell me how the wheel of politics runs, and what measures it is from +time to time turning out. I should be better informed and Congress +better served. I now get more intelligence of your affairs from the +French Ambassador, than from all the members of Congress put together. + +I had written thus far, when I received a letter from M. Le Couteulx +at Cadiz, enclosing a letter of the 16th of September, written at St +Ildefonso from me to Congress. It had been enclosed in one to Mr +Harrison, and that again put under cover to M. Le Couteulx, and, under +these two covers, it was put into the post office. Now mark its fate. +The Director of the post office at Cadiz showed it to M. Le Couteulx, +naked and stripped of its two covers, of which he made no mention. He +said it came from Bayonne, but M. Le Couteulx, knowing my hand +writing, paid the postage, and returned it to me. This is only one +among many instances of the fate to which my letters are subjected. To +avoid it, I must now be at the expense of sending Colonel Livingston +to the sea-side with my despatches. + +When at Cadiz, I heard some of our countrymen, who had been prisoners +at Lisbon, speak handsomely of M. Dohrmer. They mentioned his having +supplied them with necessaries, but at the same time told me that he +had been employed for the purpose by Dr Franklin. Hence it happened +that I declined mentioning his usefulness to Congress. I considered +him as an agent of Dr Franklin, who did his duty faithfully, and +thought it would be more proper for him to recommend his services to +the notice of Congress than for me. + +I am, dear Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, November 6th, 1780. + + Sir, + +The last particular letter I had the honor of writing to your +Excellency was dated the 26th of May, and, with a duplicate, was +carried to Cadiz by Mr Harrison, who sent one by the Peacock, Captain +Davis, to Boston, and the other by the General Arnold, Captain +Jenkins, to Alexandria in Virginia. They both sailed in June last, and +the former, I hear, arrived safe after a short passage. + +I have since written several letters to your Excellency, but as they +went to the seaports by the post, none of them contained anything +material, except one from St Ildefonso of the 16th of September, +advising Congress of the necessity of suspending further drafts on me +for the present. + +Congress will recollect, that my letter of the 26th of May contained +notes of a conference I had with the Minister on the 11th of that +month, on the subjects of my two former letters to him, the first in +answer to his questions, and the latter relative to the resolution for +drawing bills upon me. It may be remembered also, that, in this +conference, the Minister promised me his sentiments in writing in a +few days, as well on the subject of the proposed treaty, as on the +bills which were daily expected. The first I have not yet received, +and it was not before the 7th of June that I was favored with the +latter. + +In this interval there arrived here from England, by the way of +Lisbon, an Abbe Hussey. He came to Lisbon in company with Mr +Cumberland, one of Lord George Germain's secretaries, who, with his +family, purposed, on obtaining permission, to come to Madrid. This +priest was known to many, being a pensioner of the Spanish Court, and +formerly in the late Prince Massarano's family. Indeed he took no +pains to conceal himself, or his business, which was to obtain +permission for his friend to proceed, on account of the bad health of +a daughter. Mr Carmichael watched his motions with success and +industry, and was the first who mentioned his arrival to me. He hired +lodgings and a coach for Mr Cumberland, and visited several persons +about the Court, particularly M. del Campo, First Secretary of the +Minister. + +On the first of June I received a card from the Minister, desiring to +see me at nine o'clock the next evening. I waited upon him +accordingly. The following are notes of what passed upon that +occasion. + + [Notes of a Conference between his Excellency the Count de + Florida Blanca and Mr Jay, in the office of the former at + Aranjues, 2d of June, 1780, reduced to writing, immediately + after the conference ended, by Mr Carmichael, who was present + at it.] + + In consequence of a card received by Mr Jay yesterday, from + his Excellency the Count de Florida Blanca, appointing him a + meeting at nine o'clock this evening, Mr Jay waited on him at + that hour. The conversation commenced on the part of the + Minister, with polite inquiries for the state of Mr Jay's + health, which, he said, had induced him not to send the notes + promised on the former meeting, at the time when appointed, + as he had been informed that he was indisposed. He attributed + to his own frequent ill state of health (a disorder of the + nerves, occasioned by his necessary application to business) + the disappointment and delay to which, without intending it, + the business that passed through his hands was sometimes + subjected. He then said, that on Sunday following, at eleven + o'clock in the forenoon, if Mr Carmichael would wait on him, + he would send Mr Jay the notes formerly promised him. + + He added that his reason for desiring to see him at present + proceeded from something mentioned to him by the French + Ambassador, of which he supposed he was informed. He + recapitulated what he had before mentioned of the King's good + faith and favorable disposition towards America, and entered + more fully into his conduct in the negotiation with Great + Britain, when the Court of Spain proposed a truce between + that country and the United States, observing, that as the + King at that period was determined not to sacrifice our + interests, it could not be supposed that now, when at war + with Great Britain, his Majesty would be less disposed to + maintain them. After these reflections and assurances, he + told Mr Jay that the person lately from England, by the way + of Portugal, was the chaplain of their former Embassy at + London; that he had been there for some time on his private + affairs, and had at the same time instructions concerning an + exchange of prisoners, which their sufferings rendered + expedient; that the death of an uncle, a chaplain of the + Court, had obliged him to return; that an English gentleman + and his family had come to Lisbon with him, under the + pretext, or really on account of the ill health of a + daughter, to whom the Duke of Dorset was much attached; that + the opposition made by his friends to the marriage had + affected her health, and that this family was desirous of + passing through Spain to Italy. He added, that this gentleman + was one of Lord George Germain's secretaries, and would + perhaps have some proposals to make for an exchange of + prisoners, and possibly others of a different nature, which + he assured Mr Jay should be communicated to him as candidly + as he had communicated the extravagant scheme presented by + Sir J. Dalrymple. He desired Mr Jay, therefore, to make + himself easy on this subject, giving new assurances of the + King's strict regard to justice and good faith, and of his + disposition to assist America. + + Mr Jay begged him to be persuaded of the perfect confidence + of America and himself, and of their reliance on the good + faith, justice, and honor of his Catholic Majesty; that he + had no other apprehension from the circumstance of Englishmen + resorting to this Court, than that the enemy would on this, + as on former occasions, avail themselves of it, by + endeavoring to alarm and deceive our people. + + The Count de Florida Blanca assured Mr Jay, that he would + shortly give him such proofs of the King's intentions, as + would enable him to prevent any bad effects from such + misrepresentations, and convince America of his Majesty's + favorable disposition and good faith. After repeating + assurances of his full confidence, Mr Jay mentioned that he + had received two bills of exchange, drawn by order of + Congress on him, and that he should take no measures on that + subject, as he had before the honor of telling him, till he + had consulted his Excellency. The Count, having asked the + amount, and being told that the bills were for between six + and seven hundred dollars, told him, smiling, that he might + accept them, and he hoped so to arrange matters, as, in a + short time, to make him easy on that head. He then said, that + an expedition had been suggested to him, in which the + Americans might co-operate; but, without entering into + particulars, he recollected himself, and said he would send + the project to Mr Jay by Mr Carmichael at the same time that + he should give him the other papers. The conference ended + with mutual compliments. + + _June 4th._ This morning the Chevalier de Burgoing, Secretary + of the French Embassy, waited on Mr Jay, and afterwards on Mr + Carmichael, and told them the Ambassador had informed him, + that the Count de Florida Blanca had received despatches from + Versailles, which demanded his instant attention, and that, + therefore, he could not see Mr Carmichael until the 5th, at + the hour mentioned in the conference of the 2d. Mr Jay, + however, having received no direct message from the Minister, + thought it proper for Mr Carmichael to wait on him at the + place and hour appointed. Accordingly he went to the Bureau + of Foreign Affairs, and was told by order of the Minister, + that he had desired the Ambassador to acquaint Mr Jay, that + he could not see Mr Carmichael that day, but desired to see + him next Monday, at eleven. + + _June 5th._ Mr Carmichael waited on the Minister, agreeably + to appointment, who, on his entrance, immediately expressed + his concern, that the arrival of a courier, which informed + him of the intentions of the Court of Great Britain to + expedite the sailing of their grand fleet, had engaged his + attention so much as to prevent him from fulfilling his + promise of sending the notes mentioned in the former + conferences, that he would certainly do it on the Wednesday + following, and desired Mr Carmichael to wait on him that day + at the same hour to receive them. He then mentioned an + expedition, which had been proposed to him from Bilboa, to + intercept the homeward bound ships of the East India Company, + by equipping some frigates in America at the expense of his + Catholic Majesty, desiring Mr Carmichael to communicate this + to Mr Jay, that he might turn his attention to that object, + to enable him to judge of the probability of its success. He + touched slightly on the subject of bills of exchange, and on + the only difficulty of the treaty, viz. the navigation of the + Mississippi, which he said he hoped some middle means might + be hit on to obviate. He concluded by saying that he would + give his sentiments on that, and other subjects to Mr Jay in + writing at the time abovementioned, and hoped that he would + believe the delay hitherto proceeded from no other motives + than those he had mentioned. Mr Carmichael assured him, that + Mr Jay was too sensible of the importance of his other + occupations, and of his candor, to impute the delay to any + other cause, and after common civilities he withdrew. + +This conversation needs no comment. It promised well. On or about the +19th of June, Mr Cumberland, his wife, and two daughters arrived, +appeared publicly, and were openly visited and received by persons of +distinction. But although it was not difficult to know who he was, +and with whom he associated, his business and measures continue to +this day mere objects of conjecture, further that he or the Minister +has thought proper to communicate them.[25] The impression made by his +arrival on the minds of the people is worthy of remark. They supposed +his errand to be secret overtures for peace, and as far as I can judge +were very glad of it. There is reason to believe that he favored these +conjectures from the first. He has since said publicly, that he was +authorised to offer to Spain Gibraltar, and other advantageous terms. + +On the 7th of June, I received from the Minister his notes on the +subject of aids. They are in these words. + + Translation. + + Aranjues, June 7th, 1780. + + "His Catholic Majesty would be very glad to be able to + furnish, at the present crisis, funds for the payment of the + one hundred thousand pounds sterling, proposed to be + addressed to Mr Jay, in order to evince the concern which the + King takes in the prosperity and relief of the United States + of North America, as well as in the personal satisfaction of + the abovementioned gentleman. But the demands of the present + war, and the great difficulty there would be to transport + hither the treasures of the King's possessions in that part + of the world, render it impracticable to furnish here, the + said sum in specie, as could be wished. Some expedient, + however, may be found to remedy this inconvenience. For + example; if the owners of the bills of exchange would be + content with the security or responsibility of his Catholic + Majesty, to pay the sum already mentioned in the term of two + years. The King will readily agree to such an arrangement, + even if it should be found necessary to add a moderate + interest. This security, given by such a sovereign as the + King of Spain, would induce the owners of those bills of + exchange, and the creditors of Congress to consent to a + measure so advantageous, and would equally serve to sustain + the credit and good faith of the same body. + + "Mr Jay, therefore, is entreated to reflect on the idea just + stated to him, and in answer to inform us what measures he + thinks suitable to this scheme, in order that they may be + laid before the King, and his orders taken thereon. If the + expedient in question should be adopted, it will at the same + time be necessary to take measures in concert to reimburse to + the King this considerable sum, as well as others already + expended in favor of the United States. The first idea which + offers for reciprocal convenience is that Congress should + engage to build without delay some handsome frigates and + other smaller vessels of war, fixing the price of each, and + the time when they will be finished. + + "This point once settled, it will be proper immediately to + take measures to equip these vessels as fast as they are + ready; to point out what articles will be necessary to send + from Spain for this purpose, and in what port they will have + notice to receive them. After this it is expedient to be + informed, whether the Americans themselves will engage to + come to the ports of Bilboa, St Ander, Ferrol, or Cadiz, for + the said articles, which they will find ready, and afterwards + transport them in their own vessels of war or letters of + marque to America. On this supposition it is conjectured, + that it would be easy to find hands enough in America to man + these new built vessels, which will sail under Spanish + colors. There are certainly among the subjects of the said + United States many who have made the voyage, and are + acquainted with the usual route of the ships of the English + East India Company, and who know perfectly well the ports and + places at which they stop. This fact established, it is + proposed to equip in the ports of the United States four good + frigates, and some other lighter vessels, with the effects + which shall be sent from hence on account of Spain. This + small squadron, under Spanish colors, shall be employed to + intercept the convoys of the said Company by cruising in the + proper latitudes. The measures just pointed out appear to be + the most proper to reimburse, in some shape, the expenses + already incurred by his Catholic Majesty, and to answer for + such security as has been proposed to be given in this + memoir. It being always understood, that a share of the + prizes taken from the English by this small squadron shall be + given to the crews, and even to Congress, in proportion to + the assistance which they shall furnish for the equipment of + the vessels. + + "A speedy and decisive answer to all the points here + enumerated is requested, and Mr Jay is too enlightened not to + perceive that the common cause is interested therein." + +To this paper, which deserves much attention, I returned the +following answer. + + "Aranjues, June 9th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The propositions which your Excellency did me the honor to + send on the 7th inst. have been considered with all the + attention, which their great importance demands. + + "The evidence they contain of his Majesty's friendly + disposition towards the United States will, I am persuaded, + make correspondent impressions on the citizens of America; + and permit me to assure you, that his Majesty's desire of + contributing to my personal satisfaction by measures + conducive to the welfare of my country, has excited my + warmest acknowledgments and attachment. + + "The enlarged ideas my constituents entertain of the power, + wealth, and resources of Spain, are equal to those they have + imbibed of the wisdom and probity of his Catholic Majesty, + and of that noble and generous system of policy, which has + induced him to patronize their cause, and, by completing + their separation from Great Britain, effectually to disarm + the latter. Such wise and liberal designs, followed by such + great and extensive consequences, would add a bright page to + the annals of a reign already signalised by important events. + It is, therefore, with deep regret that Congress would + receive information that the aid they solicit, small when + compared with their ideas of the resources of Spain, has been + rendered impracticable by the expenses of a war, which, on + the part of Spain, is of a recent date. Nor will their + disappointment be less than their regret, when they find + their credit diminished by the failure of a measure, from the + success of which they expected to raise it. + + "The kind disposition of his Majesty to become responsible at + the expiration of two years for the amount of the bills in + question, and that even with interest, is a proof of his + goodness, by which I am confident the United States will + consider themselves greatly obliged. But when it is + considered that bills of exchange, immediately on being drawn + and sold, become a medium in commerce, and pass through + various hands in satisfaction of various mercantile + contracts; that the drawer and every endorser become + responsible for their credit at every transfer; and that the + object of the merchants last holding the bills, as well as of + all other merchants, is money in hand or actively employed in + trade, and not money lying still, at an interest greatly + inferior to the usual profits to be gained in commerce; I + say, on considering these things, it appears to me that, + although no objection can be made to the good faith of his + Majesty, which is acknowledged by all the world, yet that the + last holders of the bills will prefer recovering the amount + of them, with the usual damages on protests, to delay of + payment for two years with interest. + + "Should these bills, therefore, meet with this fate, his + Majesty will readily perceive its influence on the credit, + operations, and feelings of the United States; on the common + cause; on the hopes and spirits of the enemy. The necessity + or prudence which detains his Majesty's treasure in his + American dominions, is an unfortunate circumstance at a time + when it might be so usefully employed. There is, + nevertheless, room to hope, that the great superiority of the + allied fleets and armaments in the American seas will, in the + course of a year or eighteen months, render its + transportation safe and easy, and that the greater part of it + may arrive before the bills in question would become payable. + This will appear more probable, when the time necessary to + sell these bills, and the time which will be consumed in + their passage from America, and the time which will be + employed in their journey from different ports of Europe to + this place, are all added to the half a year which is + allotted for the payment of them after they have been + presented. I am authorised and ready to engage and pledge + the faith of the United States for the punctual repayment, + with interest, and within a reasonable term, of any sums of + money which his Majesty may be so kind as to lend them. + + "As to the aids heretofore supplied to the United States, I + am without information relative to the precise terms on which + they were furnished, as well as their amount. When I left + Congress, they appeared to me not to possess full and + positive intelligence on these points. I ascribe this, not to + omissions in their commissioner, who then had the direction + of these affairs, but to those miscarriages and accidents, to + which the communication of intelligence to a distant country + is liable in time of war. If it should appear proper to your + Excellency, in order that I may be furnished with an accurate + and full statement of these transactions, I will do myself + the honor of transmitting them immediately to Congress; and, + as they happened prior to my appointment, I shall request + particular instructions on the subject. + + "With respect to the plan proposed for the repayment of such + sums as Spain may lend to the United States, viz. by the + latter furnishing the former with frigates, &c. &c. I beg + leave to submit the following remarks to your Excellency's + consideration. In the United States there are timber, iron, + masts, shipwrights, pitch, tar, and turpentine; and Spain can + furnish the other requisites. But neither the timber, the + iron, the masts, nor the other articles, can be procured + without money. The Congress are in great want of money for + the immediate purposes of self-defence, for the maintenance + of their armies and vessels of war, and for all the other + expenses incident to military operations. The Congress, + pressed by their necessities, have emitted bills of credit, + till the depreciation of them forbids further emissions. They + have made loans from their great and good ally, and, in aid + of the system of gaining supplies by taxation and domestic + loans, they have, for the reasons which I have already had + the honor of explaining to your Excellency, drawn upon me the + bills before mentioned. These bills will be sold in the + United States for paper money, and that money will be + immediately wanted for the purposes I have enumerated. If, + therefore, this money was to be turned into frigates, the + obvious ends of drawing those bills would not be attained. + The war against the United States has raged without + intermission for six years already, and it will not be in + their power to pay their debts during its further + continuance, nor until the return of peace and uninterrupted + commerce shall furnish them with the means of doing it. + + "That excellent frigates and other vessels may be built in + America cheaper than in Europe, I am persuaded. And I know, + that Congress will cheerfully give every aid in their power + to facilitate the execution of any plan of that kind, which + his Majesty may adopt, but, Sir, their necessities will not + permit them to supply money to those purposes, and I should + deceive your Excellency with delusive expectations, were I to + lead you to think otherwise. I would rather, that the United + States should be without money than without good faith; and, + therefore, neither my own principles of action, nor the + respect due to his Majesty and reputation of my country, will + ever suffer me (if my authority extended so far) to enter + into any contracts, which I had not the highest reason to + believe would be fully, fairly, and punctually performed on + the part of my constituents. Nor, in case his Majesty should + think proper to cause frigates to be built in America, can I + encourage your Excellency to expect, that they could be + easily manned there for cruises. The fact is, that the + American frigates often find difficulties in completing their + compliments, principally because the seamen prefer going in + privateers, which are numerous, and too useful to be + discouraged. + + "The design of preparing an armament to intercept the English + East Indiamen appears to me very judicious. The enemy draw + their resources from commerce; to annoy the one, therefore, + is to injure the other. Before the present war, there were + several, but not a great many Americans, well acquainted with + the route of the East Indiamen. But whether any number of + these men could now be secretly collected is uncertain; for + if by a particular selection of and inquiry for them, the + enemy should become apprized of the design, they would + naturally take measures to frustrate it. For my part, I + should suppose, that many of these men are not necessary, and + that the proper number may be had from France, if not from + America. + + "The idea of the United States co-operating in the execution + of this plan is flattering, and the terms proposed generous. + But so far as this co-operation will depend on the building + of frigates there as proposed, it cannot be effected from + their want of money. Whether the American frigates could be + employed in such an enterprise, that is, whether the + services, for which they may be already destined, will admit + of it, are, with other similar circumstances, necessary to be + known before that question could possibly be answered. The + distance from America, and the length of time necessary to + ask for and receive information and instructions from + thence, are such, that it would probably be more expedient, + that engagements for these purposes should be discussed and + concluded there than here. The circumstances of the United + States, while invaded, will be more fluctuating than those of + Spain, and measures in which they might conveniently embark + at one period, may shortly after be rendered impracticable by + the vicisitudes of war. It is further to be observed, that a + people, rising amidst such terrible struggles, with an + extensive country to defend, and that country invaded, and, + as it were, on fire in several places at once, are not in + good condition for foreign enterprises; but, on the contrary, + that it must generally be their interest, and of course their + policy, to keep their forces and strength at home, till the + expulsion of their enemies shall afford them leisure and + opportunities for distant and offensive operations. + + "Whenever this period shall arrive, his Majesty may be + assured, that the United States will not remain idle, but + that, impelled by resentments too deep and too just to be + transitory, as well as by unshaken attachment to their + friends, they will persevere with firmness and constancy in + the common cause, and cheerfully unite their efforts with + those of France and Spain, in compelling the common enemy to + accept of reasonable terms of peace. I can, also, with great + confidence, assure your Excellency that the United States + will be happy in every opportunity, which may offer during + the war, of joining their arms to those of Spain, and in + co-operating with them in any expeditions, which + circumstances may render expedient against the Floridas, or + other objects. The Americans would most cheerfully fight by + the side of the Spaniards, and by spilling their blood in the + same cause, and on the same occasion, convince them of their + ardent desire to become their faithful friends and steadfast + allies. + + "I cannot prevail upon myself to conclude, without expressing + to your Excellency my apprehension of the anxiety, and + painful concern, with which Congress would receive + intelligence of the failure of their bills, and especially + after the expectations they have been induced to conceive of + the successful issue of their affairs here. What conclusions + the enemy would draw from the inability of Spain to advance + the sum in question, even to men actually in arms against + Great Britain, I forbear to mention, nor would it become me + to point out the several evil consequences flowing from such + an event, to those who enjoy from nature and experience more + discernment than I am blessed with. + + "I still flatter myself, that some expedients may be devised + to surmount the present difficulties, and that the harvest of + laurels now ripening for his Majesty in America will not be + permitted to wither for want of watering. + + "Influenced by this hope, I shall delay transmitting any + intelligence respecting this matter to Congress, till your + Excellency shall be pleased to communicate to me his + Majesty's further pleasure on the subject. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +Your Excellency will doubtless observe, that this answer does not +comprehend all the objections to which the Minister's plan is liable, +such, for instance, as the proposal that the vessels proposed to be +built in America, with the money of America, and to be navigated by +Americans, should sail under _Spanish colors, &c._ I thought it most +prudent to avoid taking notice of these and similar circumstances, +lest objections, which might be ascribed to pride, as well as reason, +might lose their force in that supposition, and, instead of +convincing, serve only to irritate. + +Nothing further passed between the Minister and myself except a +message or two respecting each other's health, until the 19th day of +June, when I sent him the following card. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his + Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca, and takes the + liberty of enclosing the copy of a note he has just received, + respecting a bill drawn upon him for three hundred and + thirtythree dollars. From this his Excellency will perceive + the painful situation Mr Jay is in. He forbears making any + reflections on it, being persuaded that his Excellency's + wisdom and sensibility render them unnecessary. + + "_Madrid, June 19th, 1780._" + +On the 20th instant I received the following answer. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca will have no difficulty in + paying the bill of three hundred and thirtythree dollars + mentioned in Mr Jay's note of yesterday, both on account of + its small value, and in consequence of what he had the honor + to offer him at their last conference; but he cannot forbear + observing to Mr Jay, that it will be impossible to show the + same complaisance for other bills without consulting the + pleasure of the King. + + "The means hitherto proposed not having been considered as + agreeable to Congress, it has become necessary to seek for + others, and Mr Jay will do well to think seriously on this + subject, and communicate to the Count de Florida Blanca + whatever his wisdom and information may suggest to him." + +This looked dry, and indicated a degree of irritation, though it held +up the idea of further means. + +I replied to it on the 22d of June, as follows. + + "Madrid, June 22d, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I received the note your Excellency did me the honor to + write on the 20th instant, and I take the earliest + opportunity of expressing my thanks for your Excellency's + permission to accept the bills mentioned in it, which I have + accordingly done. + + "Agreeably to your Excellency's recommendation in the first + conference, I have turned my thoughts very seriously to the + objects which were the subjects of it, relative to the bills + drawn upon me; they were two. + + "1st. The means of paying these bills. + + "2dly. The proposed contract with America for light vessels, + &c. + + "With respect to the _first_, it appeared to me, that the + principal difficulty was removed by your Excellency's + informing me, '_that at the end of the present year, it would + be in your power to advance twentyfive, thirty, or forty + thousand pounds sterling_.' Hence I inferred, that as much + time would be taken up in the sale, negotiation, and + transmission of those bills, and as so long a space as six + months was assigned for their payment, after being presented, + that the sums which it would be in your Excellency's power to + advance at the end of the year, would probably be equal to + the amount of the bills which would then become payable; and + that in the mean time such further means might be provided, + as would obviate difficulties with respect to those that + might afterwards become due. When I reflected that I was a + stranger to the resources of Spain, and that your + Excellency's acknowledged abilities comprehended all the + objects and combinations necessary in determining what + supplies they were capable of affording, and the manner and + means most proper for the purpose, it appeared to me in the + light of presumption to hazard to your Excellency any + propositions on the subject. + + "2dly. On considering the proposed contract, it became + important to distinguish between the building these vessels + with the money of the United States, or with that of Spain. + The latter was very practicable, and I gave your Excellency + that opinion in my letter of the 9th instant. The former, on + the contrary, appeared to me not to be within the power of + the United States, and candor obliged me to make this known + to your Excellency in the same letter. + + "I knew it to be impossible for Congress, consistent with + good faith, to contract; that, notwithstanding their great + want of money, the injuries of a six years' war, and their + being actually invaded, they would repay immediately the + monies lent them, either in ships or otherwise. It is not + uncommon for ancient and opulent nations to find it necessary + to borrow money in time of war, but I believe it very seldom + happens, that they find it convenient to pay those debts till + the return of peace. If this be the case with powerful and + long established nations, more cannot be expected from a + young nation brought forth by oppression, and rising amidst + every species of violence and devastation, which fire, sword, + and malice can furnish for their destruction. + + "If attentive only to obtaining payment of these bills, and + thereby relieving my country from the complicated evils which + must result from their being protested, I had entered into + the proposed engagements for immediate repayment, by building + vessels, &c. if I had done this, notwithstanding a full + conviction, that the contract so made could not be fulfilled, + my conduct, however convenient in its immediate consequences, + would have been highly reprehensible. This reflection, + therefore, will I hope convince your Excellency of the purity + of my intentions, and induce you to ascribe my objections to + the contract, to want of ability, and not to want of + inclination in the United States to perform it. No + consideration will ever prevail upon me to practise + deception, and I am happy in a persuasion, that although + truths may sometimes not please, yet that when delivered with + decency and respect, they will never offend either his + Majesty or your Excellency. + + "Believe me, Sir, the United States will not be able to pay + their debts during the war, and therefore any plan whatever + calculated on a contrary position must be fruitless. I am + ready to pledge their faith for repaying to his Majesty, + within a reasonable term after the war, and with a reasonable + interest, any sums he may be so kind as to lend them. What + more can I offer? What more can they do? If there be any + services they can do to his Majesty, consistent with their + safety and defence, they are ready and will be happy to + render them. They respect the King and the nation, and at the + very time they are requesting his aid, they are soliciting to + be united to him by bonds of perpetual amity and alliance. + Against his enemies as well as their own, they are now in + arms; and the supplies they ask are not for the purpose of + luxury or aggrandizement, but for the sole and express + purpose of annoying those enemies, and enabling France, + Spain, and themselves, to obtain a peace honorable and + advantageous to each. + + "Of his Majesty's kind disposition towards them, they had + received not only professions but proofs. Hence they became + inspired not only with gratitude, but with confidence in his + friendship. Impelled by this confidence, and a particular + concurrence of exigencies already explained to your + Excellency, they drew the bills in question. The issue of + this measure will be highly critical, and followed by a train + of consequences very important and extensive. The single + circumstance of your Excellency having permitted me to accept + the first of these bills, will be considered by our enemies + as an unfortunate omen. By predicting from it further aids, + their ideas of the resources of Spain, and the resistance of + America will naturally be raised, and their hopes of subduing + the one, or reducing the power of the other, will naturally + be diminished. They will impute these aids to a plan of the + House of Bourbon, wisely concerted and firmly persisted in, + to secure themselves and all Europe against the ambition of + Britain, by completing the division of her empire, and they + will cease to flatter themselves, that America thus aided + will become destitute of resources to carry on the war. On + the other hand, America will derive fresh vigor from this + mark of friendship, and their attachment to his Majesty + become proportionably more strong. By mutual good offices, + friendship between nations, as between individuals, is only + to be established; and it is always a happy circumstance when + it subsists between those, whom nature has placed contiguous + to each other. But your Excellency's time is of too great + importance to be engaged by such obvious reflections. + + "Permit me, Sir, still to indulge the pleasing expectation of + being enabled to inform Congress, that his Majesty's + magnanimity and friendship have prompted him, though + inconvenient to his own affairs, to secure the credit of + their bills; and I am persuaded that the benevolence of your + Excellency's disposition will be gratified in being + instrumental in a measure, which would make such agreeable + impressions on the hearts and minds of so great a number of + steadfast friends to the Spanish monarchy. + + "I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +As this letter was, among other things, designed to establish the +expectations and encouragement given me by the Minister, as to money, +in the last conference, by obliging him either to deny them against +truth, or admit them, at least, by his silence, I desired Mr +Carmichael to deliver it with his own hands, which he accordingly did. +It still remains unanswered. + +Your Excellency will be at no loss to perceive, that this was an +improper season for pushing on the treaty, and that it would not have +been prudent to have given poignancy to the Minister's feelings for +the loss of his frigates, and the trouble of our bills, by disputes +about the Mississippi, &c. &c. I therefore did not remind him of the +notes he had promised, nor indeed say anything at all about the +matter. + +About this time I met with a printed copy of an act of the State of +Connecticut, reciting and adopting the resolutions of Congress of the +18th of March last, respecting the former and new paper emissions. +This was the first advice I had of those resolutions. The promise of +annual interest in Europe appeared to me to be a hardy measure, +though, in my opinion, the weakest side of the plan. + +Finding the Minister's heart and imagination much attached to his +favorite idea of getting American frigates at the expense of the +United States, I gave him the following hint. + + "Madrid, June 28th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency, + herewith enclosed, a copy of an act of the State of + Connecticut, just come to hand, in which are recited certain + resolutions of Congress, passed the 18th of March last. + + "These resolutions are calculated to put the American + finances on a permanent footing. They direct, among other + things, that bills be issued, redeemable in specie, with + interest, at the expiration of six years. The interest to be + paid at the redemption of the bills, or at the election of + the holder annually, at the American Loan Offices, in + sterling bills of exchange on the commissioners in Europe. + + "Your Excellency will perceive, that when this plan, so well + concerted, shall be fully executed, it will furnish the + United States with resources equal to all the exigencies of + the war, and probably enable them to supply his Catholic + Majesty with vessels, &c, &c. + + "I take the liberty, therefore, of submitting to your + Excellency's consideration, whether it would not be for the + benefit of both nations, that his Majesty, on the one hand, + should engage his responsibility for the credit of a certain + proportion of the sum so to be emitted; and that the United + States, on the other hand, should not only pledge their faith + to indemnify his Majesty, but also furnish him with certain + aids in vessels, &c. + + "If your Excellency should think this hint worthy of your + attention, it will be easy to improve it, and adjust the + particulars. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +This letter was accompanied with the following one, on the subject of +some more bills that had just arrived. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency + the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor of informing + him, that he has been called upon to accept bills to the + amount of between ten and eleven thousand dollars; that the + far greater part of them belong to Messrs Joyce of this city, + who have agreed to wait for an answer until Monday next. + + "Mr Jay exceedingly regrets his being obliged to give his + Excellency so much trouble, but still flatters himself, that, + when his Excellency considers it as his duty which imposes + that necessity upon him, his goodness will excuse it. + + _Madrid, June 28th, 1780._" + +I ought also to add, that I had sent to the Count a representation on +the subject of a very high handed stretch of power in the Governor of +Teneriffe, towards a prize carried there by some Americans. On the +next day I received the following answer to these three papers. + + Translation. + + "Aranjues, June 29th, 1780. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca has had the honor of the three + last letters, which Mr Jay has been pleased to write him. + + "The first relates to a privateer detained in the Canaries. + On this point he can say nothing until he has obtained some + further information thereon. + + "The second respects some new bills of exchange just + presented by Messrs Joyce, to the amount of between ten and + eleven thousand dollars. The Count can give no positive + answer hereon, without first taking the orders of the King, + his master, and having a meeting with the other Ministers, + and some of these having already gone to Madrid, a + determination cannot be immediately had, which renders it + necessary for Mr Jay to require Messrs Joyce to wait some + days longer for the answer in question. + + "The third contains a project of an arrangement, by which his + Majesty should oblige himself for his responsibility for + certain sums in favor of Congress, and they, on their part, + for the indemnification of the said sums at a certain period, + by furnishing some vessels, &c. Mr Jay is therefore entreated + to draw out a more clear and precise plan on this subject, + noting therein the sum to which the responsibility of the + King should extend, and on which they may converse at their + first interview. + + "In the meanwhile the Count has the honor of assuring him of + the sincerity of his esteem and attachment." + +Congress will observe, that the Minister still kept up the idea of an +interference in favor of these bills. On the 3d of July, the Count +having removed to Madrid, he wrote me a note expressing the same idea. +It is in these words + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and prays to be informed when the last bills of + exchange, which he mentioned the other day as being in the + hands of Messrs Joyce, and amounting to about ten or eleven + thousand dollars, will become payable. At the Palace, 3d of + July, 1780." + +Thus things were apparently in good train, when the news of the loss +of Charleston became credible. The effect of it was as visible the +next day, as that of a hard night's frost on young leaves. + +I requested a conference with the Minister, and had one on the evening +of the 5th of July. The following are notes of it. + + Madrid, July 5th, 1780. + + Mr Jay waited on the Count de Florida Blanca agreeably to an + appointment made by the latter to meet at his house at half + past eight this evening. + + After the usual compliments, the bad news relative to the + surrender of Charleston, just received, became the topic of + conversation. The Count mentioned the channels through which + he had received it, viz. by an express despatched by the + Spanish Ambassador at Lisbon, in consequence of intelligence + which Governor Johnson had received and published in that + city, and by letters from the Count d'Aranda, with the + accounts printed at London of the affair. He expressed his + sorrow on the occasion, but observed, that the Count d'Aranda + flattered him, that the arrival of the Chevalier de Ternay in + that part of the world would totally change the face of + affairs, particularly as there would be eight vessels of the + line, and more than five thousand troops instead of three + thousand, and three vessels of the line which he had been + informed were demanded by General Washington. + + He seemed to think it strange, that the place had not been + better defended, and that more vigorous measures had not + been taken to impede the enemy's progress, and observed, that + if the town was not in a condition to stand a siege, it would + have been better to have withdrawn the troops and stores, and + reserved them for the defence of the country. Mr Jay replied, + that probably when all circumstances relative to this affair + were known, there might be reasons which would account for + the conduct of the Americans on this occasion; to the truth + of which remark the Count appeared to assent. He then + mentioned the death of M. Mirales, and regretted his loss at + this time. He said, he had recommended to his Majesty a + person to succeed him, whom we knew, that spoke English, whom + he expected soon, and to whom he would explain his ideas on + the subject of the bills, and on other matters, touching + which Mr Jay had written to him, and who would confer also + with Mr Jay on those subjects. + + Mr Jay mentioned, that if it was agreeable to his Excellency + to permit M. Del Campo (a confidential secretary of the + Count, who speaks English, and who translated all the letters + to and from the Count) to be present, he should be able to + explain his sentiments more fully and clearly. Though the + Count did not object to this proposal, he appeared + disinclined to it, and said, that with the assistance of Mr + Carmichael, then present, they could understand each other + very well. + + He then proceeded to speak of the bills of exchange in the + possession of the Messrs Joyce, and seemed to be surprised + that that House should be possessed of so many of them. He + advised Mr Jay to be cautious of those gentlemen, saying, + that they were as much English in their hearts as the + Ministry of that country; that he had known them long, that + he thought their conduct extraordinary in being so urgent + for the acceptance of these bills. Mr Jay then informed his + Excellency, that he had paid those gentlemen a visit in order + to obtain further time, and that they had consented to wait + until Monday next. The Count mentioned a fortnight or three + weeks as necessary, in order that he might have an + opportunity of seeing the person he had sent for, and making + some arrangements with him. He said, that it would be more + agreeable to his Majesty to pay those bills at Cadiz, Bilboa, + or Amsterdam, than here; lamented the precipitancy with which + Congress had entered into this measure, saying, that if they + had previously addressed the King on the subject, ways and + means might have been found, either to transport from their + possessions in America specie for the service of Congress, or + to have enabled them to have drawn bills of exchange at a + shorter sight, which would have prevented the loss of one + third of the money to which Congress had subjected + themselves, by the terms on which the present bills were + sold. Mr Jay assured his Excellency, that by letters he had + received from America, from members of Congress and others, + he was informed, that the terms were judged so unfavorable to + the buyers, that the bills drawn on him sold heavily from + that circumstance solely, and not from any doubt of their + credit and payment. + + This did not, however, appear to convince his Excellency, who + spoke much of the deranged state of our finances and credit; + of the advantages taken of Congress by merchants and others, + who availed themselves of that circumstance, which he called + cruel extortions, frequently expressing the King's wishes and + his own to render America all the service in their power in + this crisis of their affairs; but observed, that it was + impossible to obtain much money in Europe while France, + England, and Spain, were making use of every resource to + obtain it for the enormous expenses of the war, and while the + channel through which the European merchants received + supplies of specie was stopped, viz. the arrival of the usual + quantity from America. This induced him to mention the + arrival at Cadiz of three millions of piastres, all of which + was on account of the merchants, and again to dwell on what + he had before said of the possibility of transmitting specie + to the States from the Spanish possessions abroad, and of the + effect that this would have in re-establishing the credit of + our money. Mr Jay observed in reply, that if a supply of + specie could be sent to America, and his Excellency thought + that measure more convenient and advisable than bills, the + Congress would, in his opinion, readily suspend drawing, on + receiving that information; to which the Count answered, that + when the person he had sent for arrived, this matter might be + further discussed. + + Mr Jay then proceeded to observe, that by papers which he had + transmitted to his Excellency, he would see that Congress had + adopted a system to redeem and destroy the former emissions, + and to emit other bills to be paid in Europe with interest in + a certain term of years, and in fully establishing this + system, it would be probably in their power, not only to + sustain the credit of their money, but to contribute, in some + measure, to assist Spain in the way proposed by his + Excellency, viz. in building of frigates, &c. &c. He added, + that as his Majesty's treasure was detained in America, and + as much expense would be incurred by the armaments employed + by Spain there, that bills on the Havana in favor of the + United States might be more convenient to Spain, and equally + contribute to the end proposed. The Count did not seem to + disapprove of the idea, but did not enlarge upon it. He asked + Mr Jay, if America could not furnish Spain with masts and + ship timber. Mr Jay replied, that those articles might be + obtained there. The Count then said that he would defer + further remarks on this head, till the arrival of the person + whom he expected would succeed M. Mirales, and appeared + desirous of leaving this subject, and, indeed, all other + matters relative to American affairs to be discussed when he + came. + + In the further course of conversation, he recurred to the + subject of the bills in question, and told Mr Jay if an + immediate acceptance of them was insisted on, that he might + accept them payable at Bilboa, but rather seemed to wish that + their acceptance might be delayed till the coming of the + abovementioned person. Mr Jay expatiated on the impression, + which the acceptance of these bills and every other mark of + friendship would make in America at this particular crisis, + and the Count, in a very feeling and warm manner, assured him + that his desire to serve the States increased in consequence + of their distresses. By his whole conversation he endeavored + to show how much he interested himself in the prosperity of + our affairs, more than once desiring Mr Jay not to be + discouraged, for that with time and patience all would go + well, expatiating on the King's character, his religious + observation of, and adherence to his promises, and his own + desire of having Mr Jay's entire confidence. Mr Jay seized + this opportunity of assuring him of his full reliance on the + King's justice and honor, and his particular and entire + confidence in his Excellency, asserting to him that all his + letters to Congress breathed these sentiments. The Count + appeared much pleased with this declaration, and, seeming to + speak without reserve, hinted his hopes that the combined + fleets would soon be in condition to give the law to that of + England in the seas of Europe, repeating that measures would + be taken, on the arrival of the person expected, to provide + for the payment of the bills of exchange, and that other + arrangements would be made with the same person, which would + contribute to relieve, as much as it was in his Majesty's + power, the present distresses of America, of which he + frequently spoke very feelingly in the course of this + conversation. + + Mr Jay reminded his Excellency, in a delicate manner, of the + supplies of clothing, &c. &c. which had been promised in a + former conference, and said that if they could be sent in + autumn, they would be essentially useful. The Count assured + him that measures would be taken for this purpose, with the + person so often hinted at in the course of the conference; + that probably these goods would be embarked from Bilboa, as + everything was so dear at Cadiz. He also once more told Mr + Jay, that at all events he might accept the bills presented + by Messrs Joyce, payable at Bilboa, though he appeared to + wish that this measure might be delayed for a fortnight if + possible. The conference ended with compliments and + assurances on the one part and the other, the Count + endeavoring to persuade Mr Jay of his Majesty's desire to + assist the States, and Mr Jay assuring him of his reliance on + his Excellency, and of the good effects which such proofs of + his Majesty's friendship would have in America at the present + juncture. + +In this conference not a single nail would drive. Everything was to be +postponed till the arrival of the person intended to succeed M. +Mirales. + +On the 11th of July I wrote the Count the following note. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency + the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor of informing + him, that Don Carlos Maria Maraci of this place has presented + to him, for acceptance, bills amounting in the whole to one + thousand six hundred and sixtyfive dollars. The Messrs Joyce + consent to having their bills payable at Bilboa, but have + acquainted Mr Jay that the name of the House there, by whom + they are to be paid, should accompany the acceptance of the + bills, it being necessary to their further negotiation. + + "_Madrid, July 11th, 1780._" + +To this note the following answer was returned. + + Translation. + + "In answer to the note the Count de Florida Blanca has just + received from Mr Jay, dated yesterday, he has the honor to + acquaint him, that he intends writing to Bilboa on the + subject of the bills in the hands of Messrs Joyce, and which + are to be accepted, so that it will be necessary to wait some + days to fix the House at which the acceptance will be made. + + "As to the bills presented by Don Carlos Maraci to the value + of one thousand six hundred and sixtyfive dollars, the Count + recommends to Mr Jay to request, in like manner, a delay of + fifteen days for their acceptance, this time being necessary, + that the Count may have an interview with a person not at + present in Madrid. + + "_At the Palace, July 12th, 1780._" + +I was obliged to wait with patience, and endeavor to keep the holders +of the bills from returning them, noted for non-acceptance. The Count +went to St Ildefonso; the time limited for the arrival of the person +expected having expired, I wrote the Count three notes on the subject +of the bills, and in one requested his permission for Mr Harrison of +Maryland to remain at Cadiz, from whence he was threatened to be +removed in pursuance of the King's ordinance against Irishmen. To +these I received the following answer, dated the 29th of July. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and acquaints him that he has duly received his three + last letters. + + "For the satisfaction of Mr Jay, orders shall be given for Mr + Harrison to remain at Cadiz, the general regulations + established by the King notwithstanding. + + "On the subject of the acceptance of the bills of exchange, + the Count can only say that he still waits for the person in + question, who has informed him that he was on the point of + setting out on his journey. + + "He is moreover very sensible of the attention in + communicating to him the last advices received respecting the + affair of Charleston, and persuades himself that Mr Jay will + always observe the same complaisance. + + "_Saturday, July 29th._" + +I immediately wrote him a letter of thanks for his civility to Mr +Harrison, and nothing further passed between us till the 11th of +August, when I sent him the following note. + + "Mr Jay presents his respectful compliments to his Excellency + the Count de Florida Blanca, and has the honor of informing + him, that since the date of his last, bills to the amount of + six thousand and six hundred dollars have been presented to + him for acceptance. Mr Jay has prevailed on the holders of + these bills to wait six or eight days for his answer, on a + promise that the time for their payment, if accepted, shall + be computed from the day on which they were presented. + + "_Madrid, August 11th, 1780._" + +To this was written the following answer. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca has just received Mr Jay's note + of yesterday, on the subject of the new bills, which have + been presented to him. He is mortified not to be able to + return a positive answer today, respecting the acceptance of + said bills, and must repeat, that he still waits for the + person of whom mention has been made in preceding notes. + + "_St Ildefonso, August 12th, 1780._" + +Mrs Jay's illness, and the death of a child, detaining me at Madrid, I +requested the Count to give me notice when it would be necessary I +should wait upon him, and in the mean time Mr Carmichael went to St +Ildefonso. + +Congress will be pleased to remember, that in the conference of July +5th, the Minister, speaking of the person intended to succeed M. +Mirales, said that he spoke English, and that we knew him. I supposed, +that he alluded to one of the Gardoquis, three of whom speak English, +and I was well acquainted with one of them. But as another of them had +been heretofore employed by the Court, it appeared most probable that +he was the person meant. They are brothers and have a strong family +likeness. + +On the 10th, Mr Carmichael wrote me, that he had seen the Count, and +was informed by him, that the person so long expected had not yet +arrived, and when he did he would give notice of it. On the 12th he +wrote me that a person had arrived, whom he suspected to be the one so +long expected. It seems that a person much resembling the Gardoqui +family had arrived at the same inn where Mr Carmichael lodged, and was +seen by him. + +The holders of the bills becoming extremely uneasy, I wrote the Count +the following reply to his last note. + + "Madrid, August 16th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The letter, which your Excellency did me the honor to write + on the 12th instant, was delivered to me yesterday. + + "The kind concern you are pleased to express for the delay, + which suspends my receiving a positive answer respecting the + bills, demands my acknowledgments, and is an additional proof + of that generous sensibility, which induced your Excellency + to tell me, that your friendship for America should rise with + her distresses. A sentiment so evincive of magnanimity will + be received by Congress with all the admiration and gratitude + it merits, and will not cease to inspire me with that + confidence in your Excellency, which greatness of mind seldom + fails to excite. + + "I ought to mention, that the holders of the bills here begin + to grow impatient, and frequently repeat their applications + to me for acceptance. + + "With sentiments of great respect and regard, I have the + honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +No answer. + +The next day I received a card from the house of Joyce, informing me +of their having received peremptory orders to return their bills, and +that they could not delay it longer than the next post. Of this I sent +a copy to the Count without any observations. + +No answer. + +On the 18th of August, I wrote the Count the following letter. + + "Madrid, August 18th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I never find myself more disagreeably circumstanced, than + when my duty constrains me to be troublesome to those, whom I + wish to afford only pleasure and satisfaction. Such is my + present situation. Monday next I perceive is to be a critical + day. Other bills besides Messrs Joyce are then to be + re-presented. + + "M. Gardoqui of Bilboa writes me, that he has received bills + on me for thirteen thousand three hundred and thirtyfive + dollars, with orders immediately to ship the amount in goods + to America. They will be presented tomorrow, and he expects + an answer by Monday's post. If an immediate acceptance or + refusal should be insisted on by any one of them, a protest + must ensue, and American credit be reduced to the lowest ebb. + What am I to do? If your Excellency should direct me to + accept these bills payable at Bilboa, they will, as before, + demand at what House they are to be paid. + + "I must entreat your Excellency to relieve me and my country + from this painful situation, and to pardon the trouble I am + obliged to give you. + + "With great respect and esteem, I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + + "_P. S._ The enclosed contains intelligence from America." + +No answer. + +Having first visited the holders of the bills, and obtained further +time till Monday next, on the 24th I set out for St Ildefonso. I +arrived the next day, and wrote the Count the following letter. + + "St Ildefonso, August 25th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I arrived here this morning, but was prevented from + immediately doing myself the honor of paying my respects to + your Excellency, by fatigue and indisposition. + + "In a letter I had the honor of writing to your Excellency on + the 16th instant, I mentioned, that the holders of the bills + began to grow impatient. On the 18th instant, I informed your + Excellency by another letter, that their applications to me + for acceptance had become so pressing, as that I found myself + under the necessity of again requesting your directions. + + "I have accepted Messrs Joyce's bills payable at Bilboa, + agreeable to your Excellency's directions on the 5th of July + last, and they have agreed to wait some time for the name of + the House there, which may be employed to pay them. The other + gentlemen were induced to delay requiring of me a decisive + answer until Monday next, on my assurances, that they should + then receive one. + + "The inducements and reasons, which urged Congress into this + measure, are known to your Excellency, and it would be no + less unnecessary than improper to recapitulate the + consequences, which must ensue from the success or failure of + it. + + "I fear your Excellency thinks I am too solicitous, too + importunate. But when it is considered, that the holders of + these bills are not under my control, and that they require + an answer from me, I flatter myself that the trouble I give + your Excellency on this subject will appear to arise from a + sense of my duty, and not from the impulse of impatience. + + "I sincerely congratulate your Excellency on the late + important naval success against the common enemy, and have + the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +No Answer. + +The next morning I went to pay my respects to the Minister, but being +told he was sick, I left a card. The French Ambassador, however, and +others, had been with him in the morning, and he rode out as usual in +the afternoon. + +Mr Carmichael informed me, that in passing by a wicket-gate of the +King's private gardens, he had seen the person, whom he had before +seen at the inn, walking in them, and that his servant had learned +from a barber of his acquaintance, that he dressed a gentleman who +spoke English, and lodged at M. Del Campo's. He also informed me, that +the French Ambassador had lately received a letter from Count de la +Luzerne, dated the 12th of May; that he was present when it was +opened, that it was in cypher, and that the Ambassador said, he +supposed he was impatient to hear the news; that he afterwards +expressed a desire to see this letter, and that the Ambassador +referred him for it to the Secretary; that the Secretary gave him some +important papers, adding, that he had _mislaid_ the letter. Hence it +seems, as if the Ambassador intended at first to communicate the +letter, but that its contents on being decyphered forbad it. + +It appeared to me proper to mention my embarrassments to the French +Ambassador, who had always been friendly, and ask his advice and aid +on the subject. The next day I had a conference with him, and the +following are notes of it. + + St Ildefonso, August 27th, 1780. + + Mr Jay waited on the Count de Montmorin this morning at nine + o'clock, agreeably to appointment the day before. The former + commenced the conversation by observing, that in his first + conferences with the Minister of Spain, at Aranjues, the + Minister divided the subject into two parts, and spoke + largely on that of the bills drawn on Mr Jay, and on the + treaty proposed to be entered into between Spain and America. + Mr Jay recapitulated the Minister's assurances relative to + the former, and informed the Ambassador, that the result of + this conference was a promise of the Minister to send him + written notes on _both_ points, a few days afterwards. That + with respect to the notes relative to the treaty, Mr Jay had + not received them as yet. That on the other point, he had + received notes, which, as well as his answer, he had shown to + the Ambassador. That on the 5th of July he had another + conference with the Minister at Madrid, in which he had + endeavored to turn the conversation to the several objects of + his business and mission here, but that the Minister + postponed the discussion of them, until a person for whom he + had sent, with a view to succeed M. Mirales, should arrive, + when all the necessary arrangements should be made. He indeed + told Mr Jay, that if the Messrs Joyce were pressing, he might + accept their bills, payable at Bilboa, and throughout the + whole conference, had given Mr Jay warm and repeated + assurances, not only of the King's good faith and friendly + disposition towards America, but of his own personal + attachment to her interest, on both of which, as well as in + his candor and promises, he desired him to place the greatest + reliance. + + Mr Jay proceeded further to inform the Ambassador, that being + exceedingly pressed by Messrs Joyce and others, holders of + the bills, for a decisive answer, which they had required to + have on the Monday last past, he had signified the same to + the Minister by three letters, requesting his directions, to + none of which he received any answers. That he had accepted + Messrs Joyce's bills, payable, as directed, by the Minister, + and had prevailed on the other to wait until Monday next. + That on his arrival here on Friday he wrote another letter to + the Minister on the same subject, and the next day called at + his house to pay his respects, but not being able to see him + had left a card; that being thus circumstanced he was under + the necessity of requesting the favor of him to speak to the + Count, and obtain an answer from him. + + The Ambassador told Mr Jay, that he ought to ask an audience + of the Minister. To this Mr Jay replied, that he could not + hope to have an answer to this request, as he had not been + able to procure one to the different applications he had + already made. The Ambassador said, that he would willingly + speak to the Minister, but that he feared he should not be + able to enter fully into the subject with him until + Wednesday, both the Minister and himself having their time + employed on objects, which at present and for some time past, + had engrossed much of their attention. He then asked Mr Jay + if he had written to Congress to stop drawing bills on him. + Mr Jay replied, that he could not with propriety give such + information to Congress, after the general and repeated + assurances made him by the Count de Florida Blanca ever since + his arrival here, and particularly the Minister's + declaration, that he should be able to furnish him with + thirty or forty thousand pounds sterling, at the end of the + present or commencement of the next year, and that in the + meantime, other arrangements might be taken to pay such bills + as might become due after that period. He added, that if the + Count had candidly told him that he could not furnish him + with money to pay the bills, he should then immediately have + informed Congress of it, who would have taken of course the + proper measures on the occasion, but that should he now send + a true account of all that had passed between the Count de + Florida Blanca and himself thereon, he could not answer for + the disagreeable effects such intelligence would produce. The + Count seemed to think the Spanish Minister would pay the + bills that had been already presented, and had probably + delayed giving Mr Jay an answer until the arrival of the + person he expected, who he understood was detained by the + necessity of making some arrangements in his family before he + left it. + + On this Mr Jay remarked, that this did not accord with the + information the Minister had given him near three weeks + before, that the said person was then about to set out. + + The conference ended with a promise of the Count de + Montmorin, that he would endeavor to speak to the Count de + Florida Blanca on the subject, but that he was afraid he + should not be able to do it fully until Wednesday next. + +Finding that the Ambassador could not do anything till Wednesday next, +and that the Minister's determined silence left no room to hope much +from him very soon, I despatched letters by express to the holders of +the bills, and requested a little more time. I was apprehensive that +if I should accept them without the Minister's consent, it might +become an objection to his providing for their payment, and +appearances led me to suspect, that any tolerable excuse for such +refusal would have been very grateful. + +The French Ambassador did not, as usual, return my visit. I dined with +him, nevertheless; but his behavior, though polite, was dry, and not +cordial and open as before. He mentioned not a syllable of his having +received a letter from Philadelphia. These circumstances increased my +apprehensions that his letter contained some things unpleasant. + +On Wednesday afternoon, 30th of August, I waited on the Ambassador, to +know the result of the conversation he had promised to have with the +Minister on our affairs. He did not appear very glad to see me. I +asked him whether he had seen the Minister, and conversed with him on +our affairs. He said he had seen the Minister, but that as Count +d'Estaing was present, he had only some general and cursory +conversation with him, and slipping away from that topic, went on to +observe, that I would do well to write another letter to the Minister, +mentioning the number of letters I had already written, my arrival +here, and my desire of a conference with him. I told the Ambassador, +that while four letters on the subject remained unanswered, it could +not be necessary to write a fifth. That these letters had been written +with great politeness and circumspection; that the last was written +the day of my arrival at St Ildefonso; that I had also gone to the +Minister's house, to pay my respects to him, and on being told he was +sick, had left a card; and that, notwithstanding these marks of +attention and respect, I still continued unanswered and unnoticed. I +observed to him further, that this conduct accorded ill with the +Minister's assurances; that unless I had met with more tenderness from +the holders of the bills, they would have been returned noted for +non-acceptance; that if such an event should at last take place, after +the repeated promises and declarations of the Minister, there would of +necessity be an end to the confidence of America in the Court of +Spain. + +He replied, that he hoped things would take a more favorable turn; +that to his knowledge the Minister had been of late much occupied and +perplexed with business; that I ought not to be affected with the +inattention of his conduct; that I should continue to conduct the +business smoothly, having always in view the importance of Spain, and +remembering that we were as yet only rising States, not firmly +established, or generally acknowledged, &c. and that he would by all +means advise me to write the Minister another letter, _praying_ an +audience. + +I answered, that the object of my coming to Spain was to make +_propositions_, not _supplications_, and that I should forbear +troubling the Minister with further letters, till he should be more +disposed to attend to them. That I considered America as being, and to +continue independent in _fact_, and that her becoming so in _name_ was +of no further importance than as it concerned the common cause, in the +success of which all the parties were interested; and that I did not +imagine Congress would agree to purchase from Spain the acknowledgment +of an undeniable fact at the price she demanded for it; that I +intended to abide patiently the fate of the bills, and should transmit +to Congress an account of all matters relative to them; that I should +then write the Minister another letter on the subject of the treaty, +and if that should be treated with like neglect, or if I should be +informed that his Catholic Majesty declined going into that measure, I +should then consider my business at an end, and proceed to take the +necessary measures for returning to America; that I knew my +constituents were sincerely desirous of a treaty with Spain, and that +their respect for the House of Bourbon, the desire of France signified +in the Secret Article, and the favorable opinion they had imbibed of +the Spanish nation, were the strongest inducements they had to wish +it; that the policy of multiplying treaties with European nations was +with me questionable, and might be so with others; that, for my own +part, I was inclined to think it the interest of America to rest +content with the treaty with France, and, by avoiding alliances with +other nations, remain free from the influence of their disputes and +politics; that the situation of the United States, in my opinion, +dictated this policy; that I knew it to be their interest, and of +course their disposition, to be at peace with all the world; and that +I knew too it would be in their power, and I hoped in their +inclination, always to defend themselves. + +The Ambassador was at a stand; after a little pause, he said, he hoped +my mission would have a more agreeable issue. He asked me if I was +content with the conduct of France. I answered, most certainly; for +that she was spending her blood as well as treasure for us. This +answer was too general for him. He renewed the question, by asking +whether I was content with the conduct of France relative to our +proposed treaty with Spain. I answered, that, as far as it had come to +my knowledge, I was. This required an explanation, and I gave it to +him, by observing, that, by the Secret Article, Spain was at liberty +to accede to our treaty with France whenever she pleased, and with +such alterations as both parties might agree to; that Congress had +appointed me to propose this accession now, and had authorised me to +enter into the necessary discussions and arguments; that, to give +their application the better prospect of success, they had directed me +to request the favorable interposition of the King of France with the +King of Spain; that I had done it by letter to Count de Vergennes, +who, in answer, had assured me of the King's disposition to comply +with the request of Congress; and informed me that instructions +analogous to this disposition should be given to the Ambassador at +Madrid; that it gave me pleasure to acknowledge that his conduct +towards me had always been polite and friendly, but that I still +remained ignorant whether any, and what progress had been made in the +mediation. He seemed not to have expected this; but observed, that all +he could do was to be ready to do me any friendly office in his power, +for that he did not see how his _mediation_ could be proper, except in +cases where points of the treaty were discussed, and could not be +agreed upon. To this I replied, that these were only _secondary_ +objects of the expected mediation, and that the _primary_ one was to +prevail upon the King of Spain to commence the negotiation, and enter +upon these discussions; but that I remained uninformed of what he +might have done on that subject. The Ambassador made no direct reply +to these remarks, but again proceeded to repeat his advice, that I +should try one more letter to the Minister. I told him I had, after +much consideration, made up my mind on that subject, and that it +appeared to me inexpedient to follow his advice in this instance; and +that when he should see the letters I had already written, he would +probably be of the same opinion. I promised to show him the letters +the next day, and took my leave. How far the tone of this conversation +may be judged to have been prudent, I know not. It was not assumed, +however, but after previous and mature deliberation. I reflected that +we had lost Charleston, that reports ran hard against us, and +therefore that this was no time to clothe one's self with humility. + +On considering the earnestness with which the Ambassador had pressed +me to write another letter to the Minister, I began to suspect that it +might be the wish of the latter, who, conscious of having gone rather +too far, might desire this way to retreat through. I concluded, +therefore, to adhere to my resolution of not writing, but that if the +Ambassador should confirm my suspicions by again pressing the measure, +in that case to consent to send Mr Carmichael to the Minister with my +compliments, and a request that he would favor me with a conference at +such time as might be most convenient to him. + +The next day, Thursday, the 31st of August, I visited the French +Ambassador, and showed him the four last letters I had written to the +Minister. He confessed they were perfectly unexceptionable, but again +advised me to write another; I told him, I could not think of it, but +that I would so far follow his advice, as to send Mr Carmichael to +request of the Minister the favor of a conference. The Ambassador +expressed much satisfaction at this proposal, and immediately +promised to speak to the Minister on the subject. He advised, however, +that I should delay the measure till Saturday, on account of some +urgent business which then employed the Minister. To this I agreed. I +hinted to him, that the person expected to succeed Mr Mirales was in +town. He said he did not know, and waived the subject. I thought if +that was really the case, it could do no harm that the Minister should +know I suspected it. In the afternoon, the Ambassador's secretary paid +me a visit, and seemed desirous of entering into particular +conversation on the subject of our affairs, but as I did not approve +of talking with the Ambassador through his secretary, I avoided it, by +turning the conversation to light and general topics. He asked me +several leading questions, and among others, whether there was a _M. +Gardoqui_ in town. I told him many persons came and departed that I +was ignorant of, and passed on to another subject. Two persons about +the Court mentioned to Mr Carmichael this evening, that this person +was arrived. + +On Saturday morning, the 2d of September, I committed my message for +the Minister to Mr Carmichael, with directions, first to call on the +French Ambassador, and ask him whether anything new had occurred to +render the delivery of it improper. He told Mr Carmichael, he had +mentioned to the Minister my desire of seeing him that day, but that +the Minister said, he was so much occupied that it would be +impossible. He, nevertheless, told Mr Carmichael _he might go and +see_. This being mentioned to me, I told Mr Carmichael to go on. + +After being long detained in the ante-chamber, he had an opportunity +of delivering his message, and received for answer, that the Minister +could not possibly see me till the next Tuesday evening, and that Mr +Carmichael should call again on Tuesday morning, to be informed +whether it would be in his power to see me _then_; that the person so +long expected was arrived; that he had been preparing instructions for +him, and would endeavor in the meantime to send him to converse with +me. + +On Sunday, the 3d of September, Don Diego Gardoqui, of Bilboa, +presented me a note from the Count de Florida Blanca, in these words. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and recommends to him to form an acquaintance with the + bearer of this letter, being the person in question, whom he + had expected from day to day." + +It is observable, that M. Gardoqui's name is not mentioned in this +letter, which appears the more singular, as the Count had never +mentioned to me the _name_ of the _person expected_. This was being +very wary. Mr Carmichael told me, he took this to be the same person +whom he saw first at the inn, and afterwards walking in the private +gardens. + +Hence it appears, that these strange delays were not unavoidable. +Probably, the desire of further intelligence of the enemy's operations +in America, and the undecided state of Mr Cumberland's negotiation, +might have given occasion to them. To these may perhaps be added an +expectation that our distresses would render us more pliant, and less +attached to the Mississippi. But these are conjectures, and as men +sometimes act without any settled system, it may not be prudent to +scan their conduct by a supposed plan, however probable. + +M. Gardoqui began the conversation by assurances of his personal +attachment to our cause and country, which gave occasion to mutual and +complimentary professions too unimportant to repeat. I told him, that +the holders of the bills, after having shown me great forbearance and +delicacy, were at length perfectly tired; that the house of Casa Mayor +had sent their bills after me, but that as I was not to expect the +honor of a conference with the Minister until Tuesday evening, at +soonest, I had requested time till Wednesday to give my answer. I +therefore begged the favor of him to mention this to the Minister, and +obtain his directions what I should do. He asked to what amount +Congress had resolved to draw. I told him. He observed, that the Court +ought previously to have been applied to. In answer to which, I +recapitulated the reasons before given to the Minister. He dwelt +largely on the necessities of the State, and I expatiated on the +extensive ideas entertained of Spanish opulence in America. He assured +me they were mistaken, and spoke of the difficulties occasioned by the +detention of their treasures abroad. He then remarked, that we offered +no _consideration_ for the money we solicited. I replied, that we +offered the same consideration that other nations did who borrowed +money, viz. the repayment of the principal with interest. He asked me +if we had nothing further to offer, and mentioned ship timber. I said +we had ship timber, but that as it belonged to individuals, the public +could not get it otherwise than by purchase, and that it could answer +no purpose to borrow money with one hand and instantly repay it with +the other, for that a repayment in money, or in ship timber, was the +same thing in fact, and differed only in name. Besides, that if Spain +wanted timber from America, it would be better in case he went there, +that he should be charged with that business, than that it should be +under the direction of Congress, for that public works were always +more expensive than private. He agreed in this. He again asked me +whether I could think of nothing else to offer. I told him no. Whether +there was nothing on the side of the Mississippi that I could offer. I +told him nothing that I could think of except land, and that I did not +think it would be worth the King's while to buy a hundred thousand +pounds worth of land there, considering the immense territories he +already possessed. He inquired whether I thought Congress would draw +for the whole sum. I answered that it was in my opinion not +improbable, for that they would consider the acceptance of ten or +twelve thousand dollars as a prelude to further aids, naturally +supposing, that if the King afforded us any supplies at all, they +would be such as would correspond with his dignity, and not be limited +to that little pittance. He desired me to meet him the next day at M. +Del Campo's, which I promised to do. + +I shortly after saw the French Ambassador, who among other things +mentioned the proposed meeting at Del Campo's, which, with various +other circumstances, shows his being on confidential terms with the +Minister. + +In the evening M. Gardoqui again paid me a visit, and pointedly +proposed my offering the navigation of the Mississippi, as a +consideration for aids. I told him that object could not come in +question in a treaty for a loan of one hundred thousand pounds, and +Spain should consider, that to render alliances permanent, they should +be so formed as to render it the interest of both parties to observe +them; that the Americans, almost to a man, believed that God Almighty +had made that river a highway for the people of the upper country to +go to the sea by; that this country was extensive and fertile; that +the General, many officers, and others of distinction and influence in +America, were deeply interested in it; that it would rapidly settle, +and that the inhabitants would not readily be convinced of the justice +of being obliged, either to live without foreign commodities, and lose +the surplus of their productions, or be obliged to transport both over +rugged mountains, and through an immense wilderness, to and from the +sea, when they daily saw a fine river flowing before their doors, and +offering to save them all that trouble and expense, and that without +injury to Spain. He observed, that the present generation would not +want this navigation, and that we should leave future ones to manage +their own affairs, &c. + +The next day, that is, the 4th of September, I met M. Gardoqui at M. +Del Campo's. After some unconnected conversation, I observed to M. Del +Campo, that as all the papers between the Minister and myself had +passed through his hands, it was unnecessary to give him any +information, except what related to the present state of the bills +drawn upon me, which I proceeded to state in a short, but particular +manner. He replied by making several strictures on the impropriety of +drawing bills without previous notice and consent. He remarked, that +they might with more propriety have been drawn on France, with whom we +were allied, and who were richer than they; that the King must first +take care of his own people, before he could supply us; that Spain had +been brought into the war by our quarrel, but received no advantage +from us; that they had been told of our readiness to assist in taking +Pensacola, &c. but instead of aids, he had heard of nothing but +demands from us; that our situation was represented as being +deplorable, and that the enemy talked of the submission of some of the +States, and of negotiations being on foot for that purpose. + +Whether this style proceeded from natural arrogance, or was intended +to affect my temper, I cannot say; in either case, I thought it most +prudent to take no notice of it, but proceed calmly and cautiously, +and the more so as this was the first time I had ever conversed with +this man. I told him in substance, though more at large, that the +assurances given Congress of the friendly disposition of Spain by M. +Mirales and others had been confided in, and had induced Congress to +expect the aids in question. That if this application could be called +a demand, it was still the first they had made to my knowledge; that +men in arms against the enemies of Spain were serving her as well as +themselves, and therefore might without impropriety request her aid; +that our separation from Britain was an object important to Spain, and +that the success, with which we had opposed her whole force for six +years, showed what the power of both, if under one direction, might be +capable of; that I knew nothing of Spain's having been drawn into the +war by or for us, and that this was not to be found among the reasons +she had alleged for it; that an attack on Pensacola could not be +expected to be made by troops actually employed in repelling the +enemy's assaults from their own doors, and that the principles of +self-defence would not permit or justify it; that Spain had much to +expect in future from our commerce, and that we should be able as well +as willing to pay our debts; that the tales told of our despondency +and submission resulted from the policy of the enemy, not from fact, +and I believed no more of their private negotiations between America +and Britain, than I did of there being private negotiations between +Spain and Britain for a separate peace, which the Minister assured me +was not the case; that if on the arrival of the bills, I had been told +plainly that no money could be advanced, further drafts would soon +have been prevented; but that a contrary conduct having been adopted, +other expectations had been excited; that as to France, she had done, +and was still doing much for us, and that her being our ally did not +confer propriety upon every request that we could make to her. He +still pressed this point, and complained that the greater part of the +money heretofore advanced by Spain had been laid out in France. He saw +that France was deriving great commercial advantages from us, but that +our commerce never would be an object with Spain, because all her +productions would find a better market in her own Colonies. He desired +a note of the bills which had arrived, and then made some reflections +on the proposal of a treaty. We agreed perfectly well, that mutual +interest should be the basis of it, and I added, that the good opinion +entertained of the King and nation by America, was also a pleasing +circumstance. He said, however that might be, America did not seem +inclined to gratify Spain, in the only point in which she was deeply +interested. Here followed much common-place reasoning about the +navigation of the Mississippi, of which your Excellency has heretofore +heard too much to require a repetition. He spoke also much of the +difficulties of Spain, as to money matters, saying that their +treasures in America could at present be of no use to them, as they +had given orders that none should be sent home during the war, even if +it continued these ten years; and this was done in order, by stopping +the usual current of specie into Europe, to embarrass the measures +which Britain must take to obtain her necessary supplies. + +On the 6th of September, M. Gardoqui brought me word, that I might +accept the bills of Casa Mayor, amounting to one thousand one hundred +and ten dollars, which I accordingly did. The proposed conference was +postponed, nor indeed was it obtained until the 23d of September. + +On the 11th, the French Ambassador's Secretary called upon me, by the +Ambassador's direction, to inform me, that an express was going to +Paris, and to know whether anything further had been done in our +affairs since he had seen me. I told him things continued in the same +situation. He again commenced a conversation on the subject, and as he +came directly from the Ambassador I entered into it. He expressed some +concern for the delays I met with. I told him such things must be +expected. He said he hoped I was content with France. I replied, that I +apprehended France considered an interference in our negotiations, as +a delicate matter, for that as she had probably held up the exclusive +navigation of the Mississippi, and Gulf of Mexico, among other objects +to induce Spain to take a part in the war, she might hesitate about +pressing Spain into a treaty with us on terms, that would not +comprehend this object. He said M. Gerard had reasoned well about +those matters, but that he did not believe France would be backward, +nor indeed that she had promised this to Spain to bring her into the +war. I told him, I should not be surprised to find, that the delay +arose from a desire of hearing further news from America, and probably +from Philadelphia. He said, that could not be the case, for since M. +Mirales's death, Spain had no person there to give them intelligence. +I told him that Spain might be waiting the issue of new motions +respecting the Mississippi in Congress, and that I was sure Count de +la Luzerne would readily be at the trouble of communicating to them +any interesting information on _that_ or any other subject. Whether he +drew any conclusions from the manner in which this was said, I cannot +say, but in a way that looked like exculpating that Minister, he told +me, that Count de la Luzerne had only mentioned to the French +Ambassador, that two Members of Congress, with whom he had talked over +the affair of the Mississippi, thought it would be best not to bring +on the question of the navigation until Spain should become possessed +of the adjacent country, for that then it might be ceded with a better +grace. He mentioned no names. This explains the letter herein before +mentioned. The inferences which flow from it are obvious. I incline to +suspect, that what I said in my letters on that head returned here by +the same conveyance. + +On the 13th of September, M. Gardoqui delivered me the following +verbal message from Count de Florida Blanca. "That the exigencies of +the State would not permit his Majesty to provide for the payment of +more of the bills drawn upon me than had been already accepted." I +expressed my regret that this had not been told me at first, and told +him it appeared a little extraordinary that the Minister should employ +himself and me three months in making and answering propositions +relative to a loan which it was not in his power to make. I touched +also on the assurances from time to time given me, and intimated, that +something, which I could not at present see through, must have caused +this change; that I lamented it the more, as it would weaken the +foundations on which I wished to see a cordial union laid between the +two countries. + +I dined with the French Ambassador. He was a little out of spirits, +and on talking to him on what had happened, I told him there was +nothing now left but for me to apply to France. He encouraged the +idea, and agreed with me, that the bills ought to be by all means +saved from protests. He imputed the conduct of Spain to resentment +against M. Necker, for opposing a certain scheme of Spanish finance, +which he thought interfered with his plan. It is a curious one, but I +shall omit it at present, as I fear Congress already wish this letter +at an end. As the Count de Florida Blanca's message to me by M. +Gardoqui was a verbal one, and might hereafter be denied or explained +away as convenience might dictate, I thought it important to establish +it, and for that and other reasons which need no explanation, I wrote +the Count the following letter. + + "St Ildefonso, September 14th, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "The information I received yesterday from your Excellency by + M. Gardoqui, has drawn the affair of the bills of exchange to + a conclusion. He told me, that the exigencies of the State + would not permit his Majesty to provide for the payment of + more of those bills than were already accepted, amounting to + about fourteen thousand dollars. + + "As it is important that every nation at war should know + exactly the state of their resources, and as America has been + induced to consider the friendship of his Catholic Majesty + as among the number of hers, I must request the favor of your + Excellency to tell me frankly whether the United States may + expect any, and what aids from Spain. The general assurances + of amity, which that country has received from this, together + with what has passed between your Excellency and myself + relative to clothing for our troops, and supplies of specie + in America, will I hope be considered as authorising this + question; and the more so, as M. Gardoqui, to whose arrival + your Excellency postponed the discussion of these matters, + informs me he is not instructed to say anything to me on + these, or indeed any other subjects. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On this day some glorious reports from America arrived. It seemed as +if she had risen like a giant refreshed with sleep, and was doing +wonders. I sent the news to the Count as usual, without appearing to +be affected by his late conduct. I began again to be seen, and in a +few instances to be known. + +The next day, the 15th of September, M. Gardoqui delivered to me a +paper by way of answer to my letter of yesterday to the Minister. It +is in these words; + + "The following answer has been dictated to me in his + Excellency's name by Don Bernardo del Campo, to be delivered + to the honorable John Jay. + + "That it is not his Majesty's intention to stop assisting the + States, whenever means can be found to do it, but that it + will be impossible to supply them with money in Europe, there + being none to spare, for that which ought to have come this + year from America, has neither come, nor is it known when it + will, and that which would have facilitated a far advanced + negotiation is likely to produce no effect, in a great + measure, _through the undermining of some persons of rank in + France_. + + "The States not giving timely advice, nor having taken his + Majesty's previous consent, he could not arrange his affairs + beforehand, in order to assure the acceptance and payment of + the bills they have drawn, for which reasons, and that + Congress has not to this day given any tokens of a + recompense, his Majesty might have just cause of disgust, but + notwithstanding he does not, nor will change his ideas, and + will always retain those of humanity, friendship, and + compassion, that he has had towards the colonies. That, + consequently, if Mr Jay or his constituents should find money + upon credit, to the sum of one hundred or one hundred and + fifty thousand dollars, that his Majesty will be answerable + for the said sum, payable in the space of three years; that + his Majesty will besides exert all that is possible to assist + them with clothing and other things, and, finally, in order + that his Majesty may extend his further dispositions, it is + precisely necessary that they should give sure and effective + tokens of a good correspondence, proposing reciprocal + measures of a compensation that may establish a solid + friendship and confidence, without reducing it to words and + protests of mere compliment. + + "This being the substance, I would further suggest to Mr + Jay's consideration, that the continuance of assisting the + States by answering the sum expressed in a manner much more + public than that of paying the money privately, shows plainly + the sincerity of his Majesty, although the States have not to + this day proposed any equivalent to the assistance already + given, and to the expenses occasioned by a war, which had its + true origin from them, to all which must be added, (though + by the way no credit is given to it,) that there are hints of + some understanding between the colonies and England. + + "_St Ildefonso, September 15th, 1780._ + + JAMES GARDOQUI." + +It is to be observed, that this paper when first delivered was not +signed, and suspecting that this omission might not be accidental, I +mentioned it to M. Gardoqui a day or two afterwards. After some +hesitation, and doubts of its being necessary, he signed it. I made no +remarks at all to M. Gardoqui on any part of this paper except the +last article, which I treated with great indignation. + +On the 16th I wrote a short letter and many copies to your Excellency, +informing you of the necessity of suspending further drafts upon me +for the present. + +Three days afterwards, I had a long and satisfactory conversation with +the French Ambassador, in which he was very unreserved, candid, and +confidential. He read to me part of a letter he intended to send to +Count de Vergennes on our affairs, and justice calls upon me to say, +that we are obliged to him for it. + +On the 22d of September, I sent the following letter to Count de +Vergennes by one of the Ambassador's couriers. + + "St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "I have never taken up my pen with so much reluctance as I + now do, although my design is to write a letter to your + Excellency. But, Sir, there are few sensations more painful + than those which they experience, who, already covered with + benefits, are impelled by cruel necessity to ask for more. + Such is my present situation, and hence proceeds my regret. + + "My uniform and unreserved communications to the Count + Montmorin, who has my fullest confidence, precludes the + necessity and consequently the propriety of a minute detail + of American affairs here. + + "Your Excellency will recollect the resolution of Congress + for drawing bills on me, as well as the reasons assigned for + that measure. In my first conference with the Minister on + that subject, he enlarged on the necessities of the State, + but nevertheless told me, he should be able, at the end of + the present or beginning of the next year, to advance thirty + or forty thousand pounds sterling, and that further + arrangements respecting the residue should then be made. + + "I afterwards received and answered propositions for the + reimbursement of this money; and from time to time, was + permitted to accept such of the bills as were most pressing. + + "Things remained in this state till the 5th of July, when, + after many warm assurances of friendship and good will, the + further discussion of these matters was postponed by the + Minister until the arrival of a person intended to succeed M. + Mirales, the late Spanish agent at Philadelphia, and I was + told that they should then be arranged and adjusted. + + "Several weeks elapsed after the time assigned for his + arrival had expired. The holders of the bills became + importunate, and insisting on my accepting or refusing them. + + "I wrote several letters to the Minister, requesting his + directions, but was not favored with an answer to any of + them. + + "On the 3d instant, after fruitless endeavors to see the + Minister, I received the following note from him by the hands + of M. Gardoqui; + + 'The Count de Florida Blanca sends his compliments to Mr + Jay, and advises him to become acquainted with the bearer + of this letter, who is the person that has been expected + from day to day.' + + "This gentleman made many remarks tending to show the + propriety of America's offering some specific consideration + for this money, and hinted at the navigation of the + Mississippi, ship timber, vessels, tobacco, &c. &c. I + replied, that the only consideration Congress could offer, + was that which all other nations at war, who borrowed money, + offered, viz. to repay the principal with a reasonable + interest after the war; that I should deceive him, were I to + enter into contracts to pay it sooner; that the proposition + of paying it during the war, in ship timber, tobacco, or + other articles, did not lessen the difficulty, for that these + things were worth, and cost money in America, as well as in + Europe; and that as to the Mississippi, it could not come in + question as a consideration for one hundred thousand pounds. + The conversation was concluded, by his desiring me to meet + him at M. Del Campo's the next morning. M. Gardoqui then, and + since, behaved with temper, candor, and politeness. + + "The next day we saw M. Del Campo. He was liberal in his + censures on the measure of drawing the bills in question on + Spain. He informed me, that the King must first take care of + his own people before he gave supplies to others; that Spain, + instead of deriving advantage from America, heard of nothing + but demands. That if Congress wanted money, they should have + drawn on France, with whom they were in alliance, and who had + all the profit of their trade; that we ought to have + distinguished between our allies, and those who only wished + us well, and that applications for aid might be proper to + the one, which were not so to the other; that our affairs + were in a ruinous condition, and that it was even said some + of the States were holding secret negotiations for peace with + the enemy, &c. &c. &c. My replies were such as the subject + naturally suggested, and as prudence dictated; there are + seasons when men mean not to be convinced, and when argument + becomes mere matter of form. On such occasions, we have + little more in our power than moderation and temper. I gave + M. Del Campo credit for his frankness, and wish I could with + propriety have extended it to his delicacy. + + "A day or two afterwards, viz. the 6th instant, I was + permitted to accept bills to the amount of one thousand one + hundred and ten dollars. + + "On the 13th, M. Gardoqui, by order of the Minister, told me, + that the exigencies of the State would not permit the King to + provide for the payment of more of the bills than had been + already accepted, amounting to about fourteen thousand + dollars. This gave occasion to my letter to the Minister of + the 14th, and to his answer of the 15th, which was dictated + by him to M. Del Campo, and by M. Del Campo to M. Gardoqui, + copies of both of which your Excellency will receive from + Count Montmorin. The Minister's answer made a conference + between us expedient. I requested that favor the 15th + instant, and have been informed that the Count de Florida + Blanca will endeavor to see me on Saturday evening next. + + "I forbear remarks on this singular conduct. I wish it could + be explained in a manner compatible with the reputation Spain + enjoys in North America. I much fear partial resentments, + which ought not to affect America, have been permitted to + have an undue degree of influence, and that the Minister + forgot in his zeal for a certain scheme of finance, that it + was unjust to wound opponents through the sides of their + friends. But whatever may have been the cause; the effect, + unless removed, will be destructive, and France only can at + present afford the means of doing it. + + "When I consider, on the one hand, that France was our first, + and is still our best, and almost only friend; that she + became our ally on terms of equality, neither taking, nor + attempting to take ungenerous advantages of our situation; + that she has clothed and armed our troops, and is at this + moment assisting us with her fleets, her armies, her + treasure, and her blood; gratitude and generosity forbid me + to solicit a further tax on her magnanimity. But, on the + other hand, when I reflect that the loss of American credit + would be a loss to the common cause, and an eventual injury + to France; that such an event would be a matter of triumph to + our common enemy; and of pain to our friends; that the honor + of Congress, suspended on the fate of these bills, now hangs + as it were by a hair, and that our enemies here and elsewhere + are doing all in their power to cut it; when I consider, that + America would feel more sensibly the loss of reputation in + this instance, than the loss of battles in many others; I + say, Sir, when I consider these things, I find it to be my + duty to request your Excellency to interpose the amity of + France, and that his Majesty will be pleased to add this + strong link to the chain of benefits, by which he has already + bound the affections of America to his family and people. + + "I ought to inform your Excellency, that bills for about + fifty thousand dollars remain unaccepted. The greater part + of these are in the hands of merchants, who waited my answer + with a degree of patience, I could not have expected; some of + them ever since the month of June last. Further delays, + therefore, were not to be asked or obtained, and I was + reduced to the necessity, either of promising to accept them, + or permit the credit of Congress to perish with them. I could + not long hesitate. I promised to accept them. Fortunately, + these bills have hitherto come on slowly, though, it is + probable, that the assurances of Spain, which I have + communicated to Congress, may quicken their pace. A period, + however, will soon be put to their drawing, as I have written + to them by several conveyances immediately to stop. + + "I ought also to inform your Excellency, that a promise made + me in June last of some clothing for our troops has been + renewed, and that his Majesty has been pleased to offer us + his responsibility to facilitate a loan of one hundred and + fifty thousand dollars. I shall endeavor to make the most of + this offer, and your Excellency may rest assured, that I + shall gladly embrace every measure, which may be calculated + to lessen the weight with which the American cause presses on + the finances of France. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +I also sent a copy of this letter to Dr Franklin, enclosed in one of +which the following is a copy. + + St Ildefonso, Sept. 22d, 1780. + + Dear Sir, + + "I have lately written to you several letters. Enclosed is a + copy of one to Count de Vergennes, which Count Montmorin, who + also writes to him on the same subject, is so obliging as to + send together with this, by a courier to Bayonne. + + "The papers you have heretofore received from me, with those + now sent, will enable you to understand it, and I am + persuaded your abilities and influence will be exerted to + promote the success of the application contained in it. It + appears to me absolutely necessary, that the bills drawn on + me be saved at all events. If contrary to my ideas of the + wisdom and affection of France, she should not lend us money + for the purpose, we must endeavor to borrow it of + individuals, though at a higher than usual interest; nay, on + any terms, rather than not get it. Almost anything will be + better than a protest; for exclusive of the disgrace, which + is intolerable, the consequences of it would cost Congress + more than the expense of saving their credit, be it almost + what it will. + + "I am, &c. + JOHN JAY." + +The Ambassador informed me, that he had received despatches from +Philadelphia, which gave him and the Court great pleasure, viz.--That +Congress had, at the instance of the Chevalier de la Luzerne and Don +Francisco, agreed to make a diversion to the southward in order to +facilitate the Spanish operations in that quarter; that a noble spirit +was pervading all ranks of people; that we had been successful in +Jersey, &c. &c. and in short, that the Chevalier de la Luzerne was +much pleased with Congress and the general aspect of affairs in +America. I lamented in silence, that I should have no other +intelligence of all this, but from a French Ambassador. + +He informed me further, that he believed we should now be able to get +some of the clothing taken from the enemy by Admiral Cordova; that he +had, and would continue to cherish the idea. We had a long +conversation; he gave me much good advice, some useful information, +and many assurances of cordiality and good will. + +On the evening of the 23d, I was admitted to the honor of a conference +with his Excellency the Count de Florida Blanca; and M. Gardoqui, who +understands Spanish and English exceedingly well, performed the part +of interpreter. + +The following notes of the conference are very exact as to every +particular. + + _Notes of a Conference between his Excellency the Count de + Florida Blanca and Mr Jay, at St Ildefonso, on Saturday + Evening, September 23d, 1780_. + + After the usual civilities the Count began the conference by + informing Mr Jay, that the Court had received intelligence + from the Havana, of Congress having so far complied with the + request made to them to permit the exportation of provisions + for the use of his Majesty's fleets and armies there, as to + give license for shipping three thousand barrels of flour, + circumstances not admitting of further supplies at that time; + that this business was conducted by Mr Robert Morris in a + manner with which he was well pleased; that Congress had + also, in order to promote the success of the Spanish + operations against Pensacola, &c. agreed to make a diversion + to the southward, to detach a considerable body of regular + troops and militia to South Carolina under General Gates; + that his Majesty was well pleased with, and highly sensible + of, these marks of their friendly disposition, and had + directed him to desire Mr Jay to convey his thanks to them on + the occasion. + + Mr Jay expressed his satisfaction at this intelligence, and + promised to take the earliest opportunity of conveying to + Congress the sense his Majesty entertained of their + friendship, manifested by these measures. He told the Count + it gave him pleasure to hear the business of the Spanish + supplies was committed to Mr Robert Morris, and assured him, + that the fullest confidence might be reposed in that + gentleman's abilities and integrity. He requested his + Excellency again to assure his Majesty, that he might rely on + the good disposition of Congress, and of their evincing it in + every way, which the situation of their affairs and the + interest of the common cause might render practicable and + expedient. The Count told Mr Jay, that he had proposed to the + French Ambassador to send to Congress for the use of their + army, clothing for ten regiments lately taken in the convoy + bound from Britain to Jamaica, and in which the two Crowns + were equally interested; that the Ambassador approved the + proposition, but had not yet given his final answer. He then + observed, that a negotiation for a peace between Britain and + Spain appeared at present more distant than ever; that the + former had offered his Majesty everything he could desire to + induce him to a separate peace; but that the King, adhering + to the same resolutions in favor of America, which had + influenced his conduct in his mediation for a general peace + and since, had rejected them, and that Congress might rely on + his Majesty's determination never to give up or forsake + America, but on the contrary continue affording her all the + aids in his power. + + He told Mr Jay, that the Court of London, disappointed in + their expectations of detaching Spain, had it in + contemplation again to send Commissioners to America to + treat with Congress on the subject of an accommodation with + them; that this measure was at present under the + consideration of the Privy Council, and that there was reason + to suppose it would be adopted. He observed, that the English + had hitherto discovered much finesse and little true policy; + that first they endeavored by their intrigues in France to + separate that kingdom and America, but not succeeding there, + they sent Commissioners to America; that the last year they + attempted to detach France, and this year Spain, and that + being unsuccessful in both they would again attempt America; + that the best way of defeating their designs was mutual + confidence in each other. He remarked, that America could not + rely on any promise of Britain, and asked if she was once + detached from France and Spain, who could compel an + observance of them? Mr Jay thanked the Count for this + communication, and assured him, that Congress would not only + adhere to their engagements from motives of interest, but + from a regard to their honor, and the faith of treaties; that + the opinion of Congress on this subject corresponded with + that of his Excellency, and that their conduct, with respect + to the former English Commissioners, gave conclusive evidence + of their sentiments on the subject. Mr Jay promised in case + he received any intelligence relative to this matter, his + Excellency might depend on its being communicated immediately + to him. + + The Count appeared satisfied with this, and again repeated + his former assurances of the King's good disposition towards + America, &c. &c. + + Mr Jay informed his Excellency, that the subject on which he + was desirous of conversing with him, arose from the paper he + had received from M. Gardoqui the 15th instant, containing + his Excellency's answer to Mr Jay's letter of the 14th. + + Mr Jay then requested the Count to communicate to his Majesty + his thanks for the offer he had been pleased to make, of his + responsibility in order to facilitate a loan of one hundred + and fifty thousand dollars, and also for the promise of + clothing, &c. &c. and to assure him, that the gratitude of + the States would always be proportionate to the obligations + conferred upon them; he observed to the Count, that he + intended to attempt this loan in Spain, France, and Holland, + and begged to be informed in what manner he should evidence + the responsibility of his Majesty to the persons, who might + be disposed to lend the money, for that in this and other + similar cases, he meant to be guided by his Excellency's + directions. The Count replied, that as this matter fell + within the department of M. Musquir, the Minister of Finance, + he would consult him upon it on Tuesday evening next, and + immediately thereafter inform Mr Jay of the result. He then + apologized, and expressed his regret for not being able to + furnish the money he had expected to supply (alluding + evidently to the _thirty or forty thousand pounds_ which, in + the conference at Aranjues, the 11th day of May last, he said + he expected to be able to supply by the end of this or + beginning of next year.) He said he had been disappointed in + the remittances expected from America, for he was advised, + that two ships, which he had expected would arrive from + thence with treasure in December or January next, would not + come, and that this and other circumstances rendered it + impossible for him to advance us any money in Europe. But + that he would, nevertheless, agreeably to the King's + intentions, give us all the assistance in his power. + + Mr Jay desired to be informed, whether any steps were + necessary for him to take for forwarding the clothing at + Cadiz to America. The Count answered, that he waited the + French Ambassador's answer on the subject, and that he had as + yet no inventory of them, but that he would again speak to + the Ambassador, and make arrangements for sending them on to + America as soon as possible. + + Mr Jay then proceeded to regret that the pleasure he derived + from these instances of his Majesty's friendship to the + United States, was mingled with pain from being informed by + the abovementioned paper, that the King conceived he might + have just cause to be disgusted with them. + + Because, 1st; they had drawn the bills of exchange without + his previous consent; and, 2dly, because they had not given + any tokens of a recompense. Mr Jay reminded his Excellency + that these bills were drawn upon himself, and not on Spain, + and although that Congress might have hoped, for reasons + already assigned, to have been enabled to pay them by a loan + from his Majesty, yet that every other usual measure was left + open for that purpose. That an application to Spain for such + a loan could give no just cause of offence, for that if it + had not been convenient to her to make it, all that she had + to was to have told him so, and he was then at liberty to + take such measures for procuring it elsewhere as he might + think proper. The Count replied, that what Mr Jay observed + was true, but that certainly the bills were drawn with an + expectation of their being paid by Spain, and that this might + probably have been done if previous notice of the measure had + been given. That he always intended to have done something + towards their payment, but had been prevented by + disappointments, and the exigencies of the State. Mr Jay + continued to observe, that the second cause assigned for this + disgust, viz. that Congress had given no tokens of a + recompense, must have risen from a mistake. He reminded his + Excellency, that he had never requested a donation from + Spain, but that on the contrary he had repeatedly offered to + pledge the faith of the United States for the repayment with + interest, within a reasonable time after the war, of whatever + sum his Majesty might be so kind as to lend them. To these + remarks the Count said only, that interest for the money + would have been no object with them; that they would gladly + have lent it to us without interest, and repeated his regret + at the disappointment which had prevented them. He appeared + rather uneasy and desirous of waiving the subject. + + Mr Jay next called the Count's attention to a part of the + paper in question, which informed him "that there were hints + (though no credit was given to it) of some understanding + between America and the Court of London." He observed, that + this subject was both delicate and important; that so far as + this understanding related to Congress, or the governments of + either of the States, he was sure that this insinuation was + entirely groundless; that there might possibly be intriguing + individuals, who might have given cause to such suspicions; + that if there were such men or bodies of men it would be for + the good of the common cause that they should be detected, + and their designs frustrated. He therefore requested, that if + his Excellency had any evidence on this subject, he would be + pleased to communicate it, and thereby enable him to give + Congress an opportunity of taking such measures as + circumstances might render proper. The Count said, he had + nothing specific or particular as yet to communicate. That he + was pursuing measures for further discoveries, and that he + would mention to Mr Jay whatever information might result + from them. + + Mr Jay resumed his animadversions on the paper in question by + observing, that it assured him it was necessary, "that + Congress should give sure and effective tokens of a good + correspondence, proposing reciprocal measures of a + compensation, &c. in order that his Majesty might extend his + further dispositions towards them." That for his part he + could conceive of no higher tokens, which one nation could + give to another of friendship and good will, than their + commissioning and sending a person for the express purpose of + requesting his Majesty to enter into treaties of amity and + alliance with them, and that on terms of reciprocity of + interest and mutual advantage. To this the Count replied, + that to this day he was ignorant of these terms, and that no + particular propositions had been made him. Mr Jay then + reminded him of his letters from Cadiz, and of the conference + on the subject at Aranjues on the 2d day of June last, in the + latter of which, after conferring on the subject of aids, and + of the treaty, his Excellency had promised to reduce his + sentiments on both to writing, and send him notes on each; + that as to the first, Mr Jay had received the notes, but not + on the last; that he had been in constant expectation of + receiving them, and that delicacy forbade pressing his + Excellency on that matter, or offering anything further till + he should have leisure to complete them. + + He said he thought he had given them to Mr Jay or Mr + Carmichael, which both of them assured him he had not. Of + this the Count appeared after a little time satisfied, when + Mr Jay resumed the subject by remarking, that the order of + conducting that business appeared to him to be this; that as + a right was reserved by the Secret Article to his Majesty to + accede to the treaty between France and America whenever he + thought proper, and that the latter would go into a + discussion of any alteration the King might propose, that + should be founded on reciprocity of interest, the first + question was whether his Majesty would accede to it as it + was, or whether he would propose any and what alterations. + + The Count here interrupted Mr Jay by saying, that the + interest of France and Spain with respect to America were so + distinct, as necessarily to render different treaties + necessary. Mr Jay answered, that admitting this to be the + case, the treaty with France might be made the basis, and + then go on _mutatis mutandis_. The Count proceeded to say, + that it would not conduce to the general pacification to + hurry on the treaty; that finding Congress were not disposed + to cessions, without which the King would not make a treaty, + he thought it best by mutual services and acts of friendship, + to continue making way for more condescensions on both sides, + and not excite animosities and warmth by discussing points + which the King would never yield. That, therefore, Mr Jay + might take time to write to Congress on the subject, and + obtain their instructions. + + He said, that previous to Mr Jay's or M. Gerard's arrival at + Madrid, M. Mirales had informed him that Congress would yield + the navigation of the Mississippi, but that M. Gerard + informed him that Congress had changed their resolution on + that subject; that he had mentioned these obstacles to Mr Jay + and Mr Carmichael, and it was probable that having done this, + he had neglected or forgotten to give Mr Jay the notes in + question. Mr Jay here reminded his Excellency, that the + conference between them of the 2d day of June last turned + among other points on these obstacles, and that they had then + mutually expressed hopes that regulations calculated to + remove them in a manner satisfactory to both parties might be + adopted, and that the conferences respecting them were + concluded by his Excellency's promising to give Mr Jay notes + of his sentiments on the proposed treaty. The Count admitted + this, and made several observations tending to show the + importance of this object to Spain, and its determination to + adhere to it, saying, with some degree of warmth, that unless + Spain could exclude all nations from the Gulf of Mexico, they + might as well admit all; that the King would never relinquish + it; that the Minister regarded it as the principal object to + be obtained by the war, and _that obtained_, he should be + perfectly easy whether or no Spain procured any other + cession; that he considered it far more important than the + acquisition of Gibraltar, and that if they did not get it, it + was a matter of indifference to him whether the English + possessed Mobile or not; that he chose always to speak his + sentiments plainly and candidly on those occasions, for which + reason he generally acted differently from other politicians, + in always choosing to commit himself to paper, and appealing + to the knowledge of the French Ambassador and others, who had + done business with him, for the proofs of this being the + principle of his conduct. He concluded by saying he would + give his sentiments in writing on this subject to Mr Jay. + + Mr Jay made no reply to the Count's remarks on the + navigation, but observing, that being little acquainted with + the practice of politicians, he was happy in having to treat + with a Minister of his Excellency's principles. He added, + that there were many points necessary to be adjusted in order + to a treaty; that they might proceed to agree upon as many as + they could, and with respect to the others, he should state + them clearly to Congress, and attend their further + instructions. + + Mr Jay then again turned the conference to the paper + beforementioned, by observing to the Count, that it appeared + from it, that the King also expected from Congress + equivalents to the supplies formerly afforded, and also the + expenses of the war, which it alleged had its origin from + them. That as to the first he could only repeat what he had + before said, that a general account of them was necessary. + That he neither knew the amount of them, nor the terms on + which they were granted; that it was a transaction previous + to his appointment; that on being furnished with the + necessary information, he would transmit it to Congress, and + wait their instructions; that an expectation of an equivalent + to the expenses sustained by Spain in the war, was + inadmissible on every principle. He read the passage in + question and remarked, that America could no more be justly + chargeable with the expenses of the war sustained by Spain, + than Spain could be justly chargeable with the expenses of + the war sustained by America. The Count replied, that Mr Jay + had mistaken his meaning, and that he urged it merely to show + that as the States were deriving considerable advantages from + very expensive operations on the part of Spain, that + consideration should incline them to more condescension + towards the latter. + + Mr Jay assured his Excellency that he knew it to be the + disposition of Congress to contribute all in their power to + the success of the common cause, and that they would on + every occasion give proofs of it, and among others, that he + was confident they would permit his Majesty to export from + thence, _during the war_, ship timber and masts for the royal + navy, and would readily consent to such measures as might be + proper and necessary for facilitating it. He further observed + that having been informed by M. Gardoqui that his Majesty + would like to take and finish a seventyfour gun ship now on + the stocks in one of the eastern ports, on which it was said + no work was doing, he would with pleasure write to Congress, + and propose their transferring her to his Majesty at prime + cost. That this previous step was necessary, as Congress + might perhaps intend that vessel for particular services, but + he was confident they would otherwise be happy in indulging + his Majesty's inclinations. The Count appeared pleased with + this. He said, that with respect to timber they stood most in + need at present of yards, and should be glad to obtain a + supply of them from Congress. That as to the ship, he wished + to be informed exactly of her present state, and the + materials wanted to complete and equip her, which he observed + might be sent from the Havana, and whether a crew of + Americans could be had to navigate her there. Mr Jay replied, + that though he was sure that Congress would readily give + their aid in these and other matters interesting to Spain, + yet he could not forbear reminding his Excellency as a + friend, that public business done under the direction of + public bodies was always more expensive than when done by + individuals. That, therefore, he would submit it to his + consideration whether it would not be more advisable to + commit the management of those affairs to the agent, intended + to succeed M. Mirales, who, by being on the spot, would have + opportunities of acting on exact information, and in a + manner more consistent with the views of his Excellency. The + Count agreed in this opinion, and promised to communicate to + Mr Jay his further intentions on this subject. + + Mr Jay informed the Minister, that as his further stay here + would now be unnecessary, and business called him to Madrid, + he purposed to return there on Monday next. The Count + concurred and the conference ended. + +Congress will permit me to observe that many things in this conference +are important, and demand instructions. I forbear to point them out, +because they are obvious; and I take the liberty of giving this hint +from a knowledge of the delays attending the proceedings of large +bodies. + +I returned to Madrid on the day appointed; and whether to accept or +not to accept the bills became a very serious question. After +reviewing all the reasons for and against it, which are numerous, and +which Congress will readily perceive without a particular enumeration, +I determined to put a good face on the business, and accept all that +should be presented, which I have accordingly done, and am daily +doing. What the event will be I cannot pretend to decide. All that I +can say is, that my endeavors shall not be wanting to render it +successful. The responsibility of the King will not produce much, and +the difficulty of borrowing money has been increased, by the number of +agents sent to Europe for that purpose by several of the different +States, who I am told have imprudently bidden on each other. + +M. Gardoqui returned to Madrid a few days after I did, and brought me +word from the Minister, that instructions should be sent to their +Ambassadors in Holland and France, to assure in due form the +responsibility of the King to such persons as might there incline to +lend us money on the credit of it, and that the Minister would do the +same here. He told me further, that the Minister hoped I would not be +discouraged, nor consider this only on the dark side, for that it was +still his intention to afford America every aid in his power. All this +I ascribe to the exertions of America, and I am confident, that it will +always be necessary for the United States to be formidable at home, if +they expect to be respectable anywhere. + +For my own part, I shall be disappointed, if I find Courts moving on +any other principle than political ones, and, indeed, not always on +those. Caprice, whim, the interests and passions of individuals, must +and will always have greater or less degrees of influence. America +stands very high here, at present. I rejoice at it, though I must +confess I much fear that such violent exertions may be followed by +languor and relaxation. What the plan of this Court is with respect to +us, or whether they have any, is with me very doubtful. If they have +rejected all the overtures of Britain, why is Mr Cumberland still +here? And why are expresses passing between Madrid and London through +Portugal? If Spain is determined that we shall be independent, why not +openly declare us so, and thereby diminish the hopes and endeavors of +Britain to prevent it? She seems to be desirous of holding the +balance, of being in some sort a mediatrix, and of courting the offers +of each by her supposed importance to both. The drawing of bills on me +was considered as a desperate measure, prompted by our imbecility, and +was a bad card to play at a time we were endeavoring to form a treaty, +and when prudence demanded that the importance of Spain to us should +not have been brought forward, or placed in such a glaring point of +view. + +One good consequence, however, has resulted from it. The cordiality of +Spain has been tried by it. For I know of a certainty, that it was in +her power easily to have made the loan we asked. Indeed, we shall +always be deceived, if we believe that any nation in the world has, or +will have, a disinterested regard for us, especially absolute +monarchies, where the temporary views or passions of the Prince, his +Ministers, his women, or his favorites, not the voice of the people, +direct the helm of State. Besides, from the manner in which the war is +carrying on, it would seem as if it was the design of France and Spain +that the longest _purse_, not the longest _sword_, should decide it. +Whether such be really their intention, or how far it may be politic, +I cannot pretend to determine. This, however, is certain, that it +would be putting the affair on a hard issue for us. It is also +certain, that some respect is due to appearances and probable events, +and we should be cautious how we spend our money, our men, or our +public spirit, uselessly. + +In my opinion, we should endeavor to be as independent on the charity +of our friends, as on the mercy of our enemies. Jacob took advantage +even of his brother's hunger, and extorted from him a higher price +than the value of the Mississippi even for a single dinner. The way +not to be in _Esau's_ condition, is to be prepared to meet with +_Jacob's_. + +From what I can learn of the King's character, I am persuaded, that a +present from Congress of a handsome fast sailing packet boat would be +very acceptable, and consequently very useful. + +I am informed, and believe, that a loan from individuals in France is +impracticable. Here nothing can be done in that way. What may be +expected from the like attempts in Holland, I am unable to say. + +I have received no answer to my letter to Count de Vergennes; the +Ambassador informs me, that the Count has written him on the subject, +and the following is an extract from his letter. + + Translation. + + "I doubt whether I shall be able to render Mr Jay the service + he requests of me, independently of what the Ministry has + furnished the Americans in the course of the year. Dr + Franklin is urgent for a million extra, to meet the drafts of + Congress to the 31st of December. I am sensible how important + it is to prevent them from being returned protested, but the + difficulty is to find the means. I shall do my best in this + exigency, but am not sure of success; beyond this, it would + be impossible for me to go." + +Dr Franklin has obtained some more money from his Court, and I am to +have twentyfive thousand dollars of it; perhaps he may be able to +advance more, but how much, I cannot say. + +_November 1st, 1780._ No orders have as yet been given respecting the +clothing. I have applied and reapplied, and have been promised and +repromised. I employed Mr Harrison, at Cadiz, (with the Minister's +concurrence) to make the purchase, and he has several weeks been +waiting for these orders. + +General Gates is defeated, and Mr Laurens in the Tower. Our sky in +this quarter is again darkened with clouds not in my power to dispel. + +I had flattered myself with receiving before this time some +regulations respecting American seamen. + +The house of Le Couteulx have refused to continue their care of them, +or to advance more money on that account. They complain that the +American Captains under various pretexts refuse to give them passages, +without being paid for them. This is cruel. + +The following are copies of their letter to me on the subject, and my +answer. + + LE COUTEULX & CO. TO JOHN JAY. + + "Cadiz, October 3d, 1780. + + "Sir, + + "Our supplies for the American sailors amount at this day to + ---- We will continue to render them every service in our + power, but will confess to you ingenuously, that if you do + not furnish us with an order from Congress, by which you + empower us to oblige all American Captains, who come here, to + take a certain number of people, in proportion to their bulk, + free of passage, and afterwards so many more on paying them a + certain sum for their provisions, we can advance nothing; as + all the Captains who come here never fail of showing good + motives for not taking any of their fellow countrymen, + without paying them a passage, which forces us to let the + people go on board neutral vessels; and instead of fulfilling + your views of sending them back as soon as possible, this is + a means by which they get still further from it, and a great + many engage in the English service." + + TO LE COUTEULX & CO. + + "Madrid, October 15th, 1780. + + "Gentlemen, + + "I have been honored with your favor of the 3d instant, and + am much obliged by your attention to the letter it enclosed. + You were not mistaken in supposing that the handwriting was + mine. That letter was enclosed in one for Mr Harrison, and + sent under cover to you. + + "It gives me concern to find that you have so much trouble + with American seamen, and I much lament that it is not in my + power to comply with the terms on which alone you incline to + continue it. I have written more than once to Congress on the + subject, and submitted to their consideration the propriety + of establishing proper regulations for the conduct of that + business, but as yet I have received none. I presume that + their attention has been so engaged by other matters of + higher and more pressing importance, as not to have had + leisure for making these arrangements. The refusal of + American Captains to give passages to their unfortunate + countrymen is certainly unkind. I shall communicate to + Congress, and I hope proper measures will be taken to remove + that obstacle. At any rate, however, I cannot leave these + unhappy captives friendless, in a strange country. The + unfeeling treatment of the Captains rather stimulates than + represses my commiseration, and, therefore, Gentlemen, as it + is not convenient to you to proceed in your care of them, but + on terms not in my power to comply with, I find myself + reduced to the necessity of requesting that favor from + others. For this purpose I have written to Mr Harrison of + your city, and proposed his undertaking it, and have desired + him in case he consented, to mention it to you. On that event + I must beg the favor of you to give him such information and + advice, as may be useful to him in the management of those + affairs. Be pleased also to liquidate your accounts with him; + they shall be paid without further delay. + + "The attention and kind offices you have regularly paid to + Americans, and the personal civilities that myself and family + experienced from you, while at Cadiz, will always continue to + excite my warmest acknowledgments, and lead me to omit no + opportunity of convincing you of the esteem and regard, with + which I am, Gentlemen, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +I have before mentioned to Congress my difficulties as to +correspondence. They continue, and I am obliged to give Colonel +Livingston the trouble of carrying this letter to Bilboa, and +delivering it with his own hands to the Captain of some American +vessel. Congress might have letters from me every month, if orders +were given to the Captains of the vessels bringing despatches for me, +to send a trusty officer with them to me. I know that all are opened, +and some suppressed, and I can think of no other way of avoiding these +inconveniences. It is important that our correspondence be +uninterrupted. + +I have written very particularly, perhaps more so than may be prudent, +but as I think it my duty, I pay no regard to consequences. If +Congress will be equally well satisfied with less minute information, +I wish to be told so, that their direction on this head may govern me +in future. I cannot forbear again observing, that few of their +proceedings remain long secret. I have very good authority for saying +that copies of the letters, which passed between the Committee and the +late Commissioners in France, are now in the hands of a certain +foreigner. How he got them I do not know, but such is the fact, and in +my opinion it calls for more care in future. + +If my letters meet with the same fate, my remaining here will become a +useless expense to my country. + +I think I have written everything material to enable Congress to know +the exact state of their affairs here. If, however, there should be +any questions to which an answer would be agreeable to Congress, I +wish to be informed of them; for since I left America, I have made it +a rule to be always in a capacity to render a reason for every part of +my conduct, and state with accuracy every fact relative to it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[25] A full account of Mr Cumberland's proceedings in Spain may be +found in his _Memoirs_ published many years afterwards. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, November 30th, 1780. + + Sir, + +Your Excellency will receive herewith enclosed certain papers from +Morocco, viz. + +_No. 1._ Containing a letter of the 21st of April last, to me from +Audibert Caille, who styles himself the "Consul appointed by the +Emperor for such foreign nations as have none of their own in his +dominions, to protect the strangers who may come to traffic in his +ports pursuant to two proclamations published last year." + +_No. 2._ My answer. + +_No. 3._ Copy of M. Audibert's appointment. + +_No. 4._ Copy of a declaration of the Emperor, 20th of February, 1778. + +_No. 5._ A letter from M. Audibert Caille to Congress of 6th of +September, 1779. Also, six printed copies of M. Audibert Caille's +certificates. + +These papers ought to have been sent with my letters of May last, but +recollecting as I was then about to put them up, that if the originals +should be lost on the passage, it might be difficult to obtain +others, I thought it most prudent to detain them to be copied, and +wait for some other opportunity of getting them to the sea; none has, +however, since occurred, and I did not think them of sufficient +importance to render it necessary that either Mr Carmichael or Colonel +Livingston should carry them to one of the sea ports. + +It is proper that your Excellency should be informed, that on the 8th +instant I had a conference with the Minister at the Escurial, in which +I received many good _words_ and friendly assurances, but time only +can decide how they will terminate. I received a letter yesterday from +Mr Harrison, of the 24th instant, and then no orders had arrived about +the clothing. These delays may seem singular, but they are not +uncommon. Mr Cumberland is still here. The French and English fleets +are at sea. + +Although appearances are not very flattering at present, I hope they +will in time become more so. Patience, prudence, and perseverance, +sometimes effect much. It is in my opinion very important that no +dissatisfaction be expressed in America at the conduct of Spain. +Complaint and disgust can answer no good purpose, but may be +productive of many disagreeable consequences. A cautious silence is +the more necessary, as I am confident that there are persons in +America, who would make a merit of collecting and transmitting the +sentiments of Congress, or _members_ of Congress, on subjects +interesting to the views and objects of persons in power here. + +Colonel Livingston would have returned this fall at the expiration of +the term expressed in his leave of absence, had I not taken the +liberty of advising him to remain, and taken upon myself to adjust +this matter with Congress. As he is employed, and industrious in +obtaining knowledge, which may enable him to be useful in future to +his country, I must join with him in requesting that Congress will be +so kind as to extend his leave of absence to such further period as +may be agreeable to them. + +The enclosed paper marked No. 6, is a copy of a State of the Revenues +and Expenditures of Spain, in the year 1778. It was formed by a +Secretary to one of the embassies, and a copy of it was given to Mr +Carmichael. I received it the last day of July, and had no safe +opportunity of sending it before. What credit may be due to this +account I cannot determine, and I have reason to think that there are +few men in the kingdom who can. This government, disposed to +concealment and mystery in most matters, will not probably permit an +accurate knowledge of their revenues to be easily attained. This +account is perhaps as near the truth as any other. The gentleman, it +is said, took much pains in forming it, and it also met with the +approbation of some foreign Ministers; but how far those Ministers +were judges of the subject I am uninformed. The remarks subjoined to +this account are Mr Carmichael's, and were added to the copy I +received from him. + +I send copies of several letters, which passed between Messrs de +Neufville and Son, of Amsterdam, and myself, relative to the bills +drawn on Mr Laurens.[26] The conduct of that House has been so +friendly and disinterested, that I think Congress should be +particularly informed of it, and by taking proper notice of it, induce +others to follow the example. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[26] These have been inserted in the order of their several dates. + + * * * * * + + No. 1. + + FROM D'AUDIBERT CAILLE TO JOHN JAY. + + Translation. + + Aranjues, April 21st, 1780. + + Sir, + +By order of his Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, I wrote on the 6th of +September in the last year to the Congress of the United States of +North America, by way of his Excellency Dr Franklin, their +Plenipotentiary at the Court of France, to inform them of the pacific +intentions of that sovereign. + +Not having yet received any answer on their part, I fear they have not +received my letter, and by way of precaution, send your Excellency +herewith joined an open copy, that after perusing it, you may make +such use of it as you may think proper. I also send you a copy of the +two manifests therein mentioned, as well as a translation of the +patent of the consuls for foreign nations, with which his Majesty the +Emperor has been pleased to honor me, and some copies of the +certificates which he ordered me to give to the captains of ships, +which sail under his flag. + +I wish, Sir, that you may receive all these papers with pleasure, and +I request your Excellency to honor me with an answer, that I may be +able to convince his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, that I have +executed the commission he gave me to make known to Congress, that the +subjects of the said United States might come and traffic under their +own flags, in the ports of the empire of Morocco, in the like manner +as they formerly did under the English flag. + +Before I had the commission to write to Congress I had already +written on this subject to his Excellency Dr Franklin, and I offered +to interest myself cheerfully in establishing a good understanding +between his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, and the Northern United +States. + +In case that Congress should be equally well pleased to be at peace +with his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, it will be proper to +instruct the captains of American armed ships to let freely pass all +ships sailing under the flag of his Majesty, the Emperor, and will be +provided with a certificate similar to the within mentioned copies. + +I shall probably be obliged to remain here some days; as soon as my +business shall be despatched, I shall set out for Cadiz, and from +thence go to Sale, the place of my residence. + +Whenever your Excellency may be pleased to honor me with your orders, +you may address your letters to Messrs Paul Greppi, Azarino, and +Company, merchants at Cadiz, who will take care to forward them to me. + +I am with profound respect, &c. + + D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 2. + + TO D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + Sir, + +Your favor of the 21st day of April, 1780, with the papers enclosed in +it, has come safe to hand. + +The declaration of his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, does honor to +his liberality and wisdom, and I shall with great pleasure transmit +the copy of it, as well as of the other papers enclosed with it, to +his Excellency the President of Congress. + +Although I have no particular instructions on the subject, yet the +knowledge I have of the sentiments of Congress enables me to give +assurances of their disposition to cultivate peace and harmony with +all nations. I am persuaded that his Majesty's declaration will be +very agreeable to them, and that a correspondent conduct on their part +towards the subjects of Morocco, will convince him of the truth of +these assurances. I am much obliged to you for this mark of attention, +and I flatter myself that by extending your good offices to such +Americans as may resort to the ports of Morocco, they will have reason +to consider you among the number of their friends. + +Should anything interesting to America occur in Morocco, I request the +favor of you to communicate it. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + No. 3. + + COPY OF M. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE'S APPOINTMENT. + + Translation. + + Copy of a French translation of a writing in Arabic, the most + authentic of those that are written at the Court of his + Majesty the Emperor of Morocco. + + "Let the name of the only God be praised; there is neither + wisdom nor power but what proceeds from the Lord most high + and most mighty. + + "We make known by this our present and generous writing, that + we have appointed the Christian, D'Audibert Caille, who is + the bearer hereof, to officiate as consul for all those + nations who have no consuls in our dominion, and who are, + the empire of Germany, Russia, Prussia, Naples, Sardinia, + Rome, Tuscany, the States of America, Genoa, Ragusa, Hamburg, + Lubec, and Dantzic; all of whom may come into our ports, and + each of them there traffic under the flag of his nation, such + as it may be. The said consul will assist them, by our order, + in whatever may be useful to them in like manner as the other + consuls do towards the subjects of their nations. And all the + officers and governors of our ports will acknowledge him for + a consul as they do the other consuls, and whichsoever of the + said nations shall come into our ports, they shall not be + molested by any of our officers or commandants whatsoever, of + our ports. To all our captains whom we shall order to cruise + by sea, the said consul will give a passport, and we renew + our order to him to hoist the flag of peace at his house, + without being therein opposed by anybody. He may also hoist + it in any port whatever, where he may have a house of + commerce, and he shall be mediator between us and the said + nations, because we esteem him. Given the 8th of the moon of + Alcahda, 1193. (1st of November, 1779.)" + + Signed by the Emperor. + +We, Stephen d'Audibert Caille, a French merchant resident at Sale, +appointed by his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, consul of those +foreign nations who have none in his dominions to protect them in that +capacity on all occasions, and to be mediator between him and those +nations, certify to all whom it may concern, that the above copy is +conformable to the original, compared by Don Miguel Cassori, the +interpreter of his Catholic Majesty. In faith of which we sign the +present certificate, sealed with the seal of the consulate of peace +at Sale. Done at Aranjues, where I happen to be in passing, the 21st +of April, 1780. + + S. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 4. + + Translation. + + _Copy of the Declaration, which his Majesty the Emperor of + Morocco (whom God preserve) orders to be notified to all + the Consuls and Christian Merchants, who reside in the + Ports of Tangier, Sale, and Mogadore, dated the 20th of + February, 1778._ + + "That in future all vessels, which carry Russian, German, + Prussian, Hungarian, Neapolitan, Sardinian, Tuscanian, + Genoese, Maltese, or American flags, may freely enter into + the ports of his dominions; and in consequence of his + determination, he has given orders to the commanders of his + vessels, that they let freely pass, all ships and other + vessels carrying the said flags without molesting them. To + the end, that they may arrive at his ports, take + refreshments, and enjoy in them the same privileges and + immunities, with those of the other nations with whom his + Imperial Majesty maintains peace." + +I, the underwritten, employed by his Imperial Majesty for foreign +affairs, certify, that the contents of the preceding declaration are +conformable to the truth. And in faith thereof, I sign this present +certificate. At Sale, the 30th of October, 1779. + + PEDRO UMBERT. + + * * * * * + +We, Stephen d'Audibert Caille, a French merchant residing at Sale, +appointed by his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, to be consul of the +foreign nations who have none in his dominions to protect them in that +capacity on all occasions, and to be mediator between him and those +nations, certify, whom it may concern, that the said Don Pedro Umbert, +who has signed the above certificate, is employed for foreign affairs +at the Court of Morocco, and that in the said quality faith is to be +given to his signature. In witness whereof we sign these presents, +sealed with the seal of the consulate of peace, at Sale, the 1st of +December, 1779. + + S. D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 5. + + D'AUDIBERT CAILLE TO CONGRESS. + + Translation. + + Sale, September 6th, 1779. + +In quality of a French merchant, who has resided in this town since +the year 1773, and whom his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, has +lately named consul for those foreign nations who have none in his +dominions to protect the strangers who might come to traffic in his +ports, in pursuance of the two manifestoes which he published last +year, I have the honor to inform your Excellencies, that it is his +intention to be at peace with the United States of North America, and +that their subjects can come to trade freely in his ports under +American colors, with the like safety with those of the principal +maritime powers in Europe who enjoy peace with him. Besides the good +reception, which the governors of the ports of this empire will give +to the subjects of the United States of North America, I will on my +part render them all the services, which may depend upon me as consul +for those foreign nations who have none, and as being charged to +invite them to come and traffic freely in these ports, in like manner +as they formerly did under the English flag. + +In order that I may be able to convince his Majesty, the Emperor of +Morocco, that I have executed the commission he gave me to write as +above to the Congress, I entreat your Excellencies to be pleased to +honor me with an answer. If you think proper to write at the same time +to his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, relative to what I have +written to you on his part, I will take care to obtain a very +satisfactory answer; and I offer to interest myself very willingly, as +far as may depend upon me, that a treaty of peace may be made between +his Majesty, the Emperor of Morocco, and the United States of North +America, nearly similar to those which the principal maritime powers +have with him. + +That this letter may the more safely pass to you, I address it to his +Excellency Dr Franklin, your Plenipotentiary with his Most Christian +Majesty. Your Excellencies may answer me through the same channel, or +directly by the way of Cadiz, addressing your letter to the Sieurs +Paul Grippi, Azarino, and Company. My address is, to Stephen +d'Audibert Caille, consul for those foreign nations who have none in +the dominions of his Majesty the Emperor of Morocco, residing at Sale, +or simply "to D'Audibert, Santigo, and Company," which is that of my +house of commerce. + +I am, with the most profound respect, &c. + + D'AUDIBERT CAILLE. + + * * * * * + + No. 6. + + _General State of the Revenues and Expenses of Spain in the + Year 1778._ + + REVENUES. + + Reals de vel. + Provincial duties, 70,000,000 + Duties on tobacco, 55,000,000 + Duties on salt, 20,000,000 + Duties on wool, 17,000,000 + General duties, 48,060,000 + Duties on brandy, 4,525,000 + 2 per cent duty on the Octrois, + former grants of the Crown, 500,000 + Taxes on the houses in Madrid, 1,200,000 + 1. King's domain in the Serrara, 140,000 + Post office and couriers, 34,000,000 + Tax on cards, 1,000,000 + Stamp paper, 4,312,000 + Tax on the taverns in Madrid, 196,000 + Various revenues farmed, 6,418,552 + 2 Manufacture of glass at St Ildefonso, 1,500,000 + 3 Manufactures of St Ferdinando and + Guaudalaxa, 1,800,000 + Extraordinary effects, 35,000,000 + Books of Advocates and Attorneys, 62,000 + Fines in the chamber of Castille, 72,000 + Effects in the same chamber, 786,800 + Tax on the Grand Masters, 1,800,000 + Do. arising from the secular annals and + vacancies, 1,300,000 + Royal lottery, 4,500,000 + Cruzada, 20,000,000 + 4 Effects of the kingdom of Navarre, 47,500,000 + American revenue[27], 200,600,000 + Clergy, 13,000,000 + ----------- + 562,273,152 + + EXPENSES. + + Reals de vel. + The Court[28], 108,500,000 + 5 Land forces, 204,202,000 + 6 Marine, 100,000,000 + Secretary of the Indies, 8,000,000 + Department of Finance, 4,500,000 + Favers and justice, 1,100,000 + To support the tribunals, 8,422,769 + 7 Secretary of state and foreign + affairs, 9,873,288 + 8 Extraordinary expenses, 30,000,000 + ----------- + 474,598,251 + +I subjoin the result of my inquiries touching the articles marked No. +1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. + +No. 1, 2, 3. The sums mentioned in the preceding statement as arising +from the revenues numbered as above may be deducted, as concurrent +testimony induces me to believe, that the expenses consume near the +whole of the revenue. + +No. 4. I have been also assured, that this article is much +exaggerated. + +No. 5. The expenses of this establishment have greatly increased, but +I have not been able to ascertain the sum. + +No. 6. I have heard from good authority, that the expenses of the +marine in 1776 amounted to one hundred and twentyfour millions of +reals, owing to the expedition against Portuguese America. In 1777 +they amounted to eightyeight millions of reals, and in 1779 to near +four hundred millions of reals; which information induces me to +conclude, that there were great arrears of the expenses of 1778, or +that the estimate for that year is not exact. + +No. 7, 8. The expenses of these departments have greatly augmented. + + +FOOTNOTES: + +[27] The American revenue is difficult to ascertain from this +circumstance; that not arriving regularly and annually, it is +necessary to have the receipts for several years to be able to form an +exact calculation of the modium communibus annis. + +[28] The birth of the Infant has increased the Court expenses. + + * * * * * + + TO THE COMMITTEE OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS. + + Madrid, November 30th, 1780. + + Gentlemen, + +I have had the honor of receiving from you a letter of the 16th of +June, and another of the 12th of July, 1780, with the several papers +mentioned in them. With respect to the subjects of the first, you will +find them fully discussed in my letter to the President of Congress, +which will accompany this. The description of the bills will, I hope, +answer good purposes. + +How far the resolution, which immediately follows the one respecting +Mr Dohrman, can be fully executed, is hard to determine. Had I funds +necessary for the purpose, I should meet with few difficulties. The +measure is a wise one, and my attention to it shall be unremitted. In +a future letter I shall say more on this subject; as yet nothing has +had time to ripen. + +I must request your attention to the necessity of putting your +correspondence with the public servants in Europe on a better +footing. I am now at the expense of sending Colonel Livingston to the +sea side with my despatches, with orders to wait for American vessels, +and deliver them to the Captain with his own hands. I receive no +letters by the post, but with marks of inspection, and after much +delay. Some that I write never come to hand, and I know of letters +having arrived from America for me, which I have never seen, and never +expect to see. I know of but one man at the sea ports whom I can +confide in, viz. Mr Harrison, at Cadiz. I cannot even find a courier, +that I can depend on. Is it not time for America like other nations to +provide against these inconveniences by proper regulations and +establishments? Would it not be well to have American agents or +consuls in one or more of the ports of France and Spain? Public +despatches might be sent by packet boats, or other vessels to these +agents, and should on no account be delivered to any other person; the +agents might be ordered to send them to the Courts, to which they may +be directed, by a trusty American; one of the officers of the ship, +for example; and he should be ordered to wait for, and return with, +the despatches of the Minister. + +Would it not also be proper to provide for the safe conduct of letters +to Congress after their arrival in America? I have reason not only to +suspect, but to believe, that certain persons in America are attentive +to these matters, and care should be taken to keep American letters +out of their way. + +This is an important subject and merits attention. For my own part I +find several persons here, who have more intelligence from America +than myself; and it is the more mortifying when considered, that they +are probably often indebted for their information to the contents of +letters directed to me. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + INSTRUCTIONS TO JOHN JAY. + + In Congress, February 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Congress having since their instructions to you of the 29th of +September, 1779, and 4th of October, 1780, relative to the claim of +the United States to the free navigation of the river Mississippi, and +to a free port or ports below the thirtyfirst degree of north +latitude, resumed the consideration of that subject, and being +desirous to manifest to all the world, and particularly to his +Catholic Majesty, the moderation of their views, the high value they +place on the friendship of his Catholic Majesty, and their disposition +to remove every reasonable obstacle to his accession to the alliance +subsisting between his Most Christian Majesty and these United States, +in order to unite the more closely in their measures and operations +three powers who have so great a unity of interests, and thereby to +compel the common enemy to a speedy, just, and honorable peace; have +resolved, and you are hereby instructed to recede from the +instructions above referred to, so far as they insist on the free +navigation of that part of the river Mississippi, which lies below the +thirtyfirst degree of north latitude, and on a free port or ports +below the same; provided such cession shall be unalterably insisted +upon by Spain; and provided the free navigation of the said river, +above the said degree of north latitude, shall be acknowledged and +guarantied by his Catholic Majesty to the citizens of the United +States in common with his own subjects. It is the order of Congress, +at the same time, that you exert every possible effort to obtain from +his Catholic Majesty the use of the river aforesaid, with a free port +or ports below the said thirtyfirst degree of north latitude for the +citizens of the United States, under such regulations and restrictions +only, as may be a necessary safeguard against illicit commerce. + +I am, &c. + + SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY + + February 20th, 1781. + + Sir, + +The President sends you instructions passed in Congress the 15th. + +Personally, I am mortified that no letters from you since September +16th have reached us. We have not waited for the minute information +promised in yours of that date, nor have we received any notice of +your receipt of our instructions of October 4th, before we discussed +anew the old subject. There has been unfair dealing with your +despatches. I apprehend that we are allowed to see only sentiments +somewhat different from yours. Perhaps the enclosed memorandum may be +some clue to your scrutiny. + +On the 10th of January, Congress resolved to establish an office for +foreign affairs, which I hope will make your station more easy and +reputable. I wish most earnestly to have a choice made of the +secretary, to whom I may deliver all the papers in my possession +connected with his duty. + +I am, Sir, your friend and humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL, + _For the Committee_. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY. + + March 9th, 1781. + + Sir, + +You will herewith receive gazettes and journals, also a resolve +respecting the complete ratification of the articles binding the +Thirteen States as a confederated body. The delay of that business +appears now like all the other circumstances of our rise and growth; +for the present is really the best of all times for that particular +event. Our enemies have been ripening themselves for this capital +_mentitis_. + +We have no letters from you or Mr Carmichael later than those +mentioned in my last, a copy of which attends this. + +I am, Sir, your friend and humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, March 22d, 1781. + + Sir, + +I ought, and wish to write your Excellency a long letter, but not by +the post. The French fleet is not yet sailed. It will, in my opinion, +be late in the summer before the fleet at Rhode Island will be +reinforced. This Court has promised me one hundred and fifty thousand +dollars. Some clothing is now shipping on account of Congress from +Cadiz. + +Russia has offered her mediation to England and the States-General. +The latter have accepted it. The answer of the former (if given) is +not known here. If she should refuse, Russia will probably take part +with the Dutch; if she accepts, she will doubtless be obliged either +to agree to terms consistent with the armed neutrality, or continue +the war. The consequences of either are obvious. + +M. Necker has published a state of the French finances, much to his +honor and their credit. Perhaps a complimentary order to translate and +publish it would be useful. + +Mr Cumberland will set out on his return, through France, in a few +days. + +This letter is intended to go by Captain Trask, from Bilboa. I am told +he will sail much sooner than had been given out, and that unless my +letters go by this evening's post, they would arrive too late. Hence I +am obliged to write in haste, and say little, there being no time for +cyphers. I have received some letters from your Excellency. Their +dates shall be mentioned another time. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, April 25th, 1781. + + Sir, + +I have had the honor of receiving your Excellency's letters of the 6th +and 17th of October last, with the enclosures. They arrived the 30th +day of January last. There is more than reason to suspect, that the +French Court were apprised of their contents before they arrived, and +to believe that the construction of the treaty, by which the +navigation of the Mississippi is supposed to be comprehended in the +guarantee, does not correspond with their ideas on that subject. This +Court continues pertinaciously to insist on our ceding that +navigation, nor will they, as yet, listen to any middle line. Whether +this be their real motive for declining a treaty with us at present, +or whether the bills drawn upon me have inspired an expectation of +profiting by our necessities, or whether they flatter themselves with +a future majority of Congress on that point, or whether they choose, +by continuing free from engagements with us, to be better enabled to +improve to their advantage the casualties of the war, are questions +which still remain undecided. Indeed, the movements of this Court in +general, when compared with the great rules of national policy +applicable to their situation, is so inexplicable, that I should not +be surprised, if it should appear in future, that they had no fixed +system whatever. + +My last particular letter informed your Excellency, that having, in +September last, been told that his Majesty could not advance us any +money, but could be responsible for a loan to the amount of one +hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I determined to continue accepting +the bills, to attempt the loan, and by a representation of my +situation to the French Court, endeavor to save the necessity of +protesting them for non-payment. + +I tried to borrow here on the security of this responsibility, but +without the least success. I attempted it in France, but it would not +do. I made the like attempt in Holland, and a gleam of hope appearing +there, I was about improving it, when a letter from America informed +me, that Mr Adams was authorised to execute the business, which had +been committed to Mr Laurens. I had heard before of his being in +Holland, but did not know the object which had called him there. +Several letters passed between Messrs De Neufville and myself on the +subject of this loan. The following is a copy of my last to them about +it. + + TO DE NEUFVILLLE & SON. + + "Madrid, January 8th, 1781. + + "Gentlemen, + + "I have had the pleasure of receiving your favor of the 4th + ult. together with the one referred to in it. + + "England has, it seems, declared war against the United + Provinces, and that in a style of such eminent superiority, + as I am persuaded will remind your countrymen, that the + United Netherlands are not comprehended among the territories + depending on the Crown of Great Britain. + + "The English Ministry, by charging the States with having + acted under French influence, intend to alarm their national + pride, and, by making Holland the particular object of their + resentment, to sow the seeds of dissensions among them, and + render that most important Province obnoxious to the others. + The tone of the whole declaration is that of a nation going + rather to give correction to disobedient vassals, than to war + upon a free and independent people. It could have been + assumed only upon a persuasion, that the same supposed + timidity, to which they ascribed the long forbearance of the + Dutch under multiplied insults and injuries, would, on this + ostentatious display of terror, reduce them to the + humiliating measure of imploring forgiveness for having acted + like freemen, and purchasing peace at the expense of their + honor and liberty. Every other nation must expect better + things of you, and can never believe, that the present + generation will want firmness to assert the rights and + vindicate the honor of a Republic, which owes its very + existence to the glorious spirit and magnanimity of its + ancestors. + + "It gives me great satisfaction to hear that Mr Adams has + conversed with you on the subject of a loan, and I am + persuaded that business will be much advanced by it. The + impropriety of two loans at a time is evident. My chief + motive in proposing one at the time I did was, that no time + might be lost by the absence of Mr Laurens, in prosecuting a + measure, which appeared to me highly useful to my country. I + have no views or objects separate from her, and, provided she + is effectually served, I am well content that the honor of + doing it should devolve on others. As the management of our + affairs in your country is committed to Mr Adams, I request + the favor of you to give him all the aid in your power. When + that gentleman went to Holland, I was ignorant of the + business which called him thither; and the first knowledge I + had of it was from America, long after Mr Laurens's capture. + It cannot now be necessary, that my name should appear in the + affair of the proposed loan, but should it be in my power to + be useful, Mr Adams may rely upon my zealous endeavors to + promote that, and every other measure for the public good. + Indeed, as matters now stand, delicacy forbids me to + interfere further than as a mere auxiliary to Mr Adams, to + whom, and to whose affairs I beg you to extend the influence + of that generous regard for America, which has placed you so + high in the esteem of + + "Gentlemen, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +My last particular despatches contained a copy of my letter to Count +de Vergennes, requesting his aid. I received from Count de Montmorin +an extract of a letter he had received from the Minister on that +subject, in which he mentions the advances made to Dr Franklin, and +the improbability of his being able to assist me, but concluded with +saying, he would do his best. Shortly after, I received a letter from +Count de Vergennes, which left me without hopes of succor from that +quarter, except that Dr Franklin promised to accept my drafts to the +amount of twentyfive thousand dollars. + +In December following, I had a long and interesting conference with +Count de Florida Blanca, the particulars of which it is not necessary +minutely to enumerate by this opportunity. He expressly promised me +one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. As the bills afterwards became +due, I applied for money to pay them, and received it to the amount of +thirtyfour thousand eight hundred and eighty dollars. + +On the 15th of March I sent him a list of the bills payable in April, +which amounted to eightynine thousand and eightythree dollars. + +On the 25th, I was informed that the payment of this sum could not +then be possibly made, but that the balance due on the one hundred and +fifty thousand dollars promised, should be paid in the course of six +months. + +I communicated this matter to the Ambassador of France, and I must do +him the justice to say, that his conduct on this occasion merits our +thanks. All he could obtain from this Court was, that the amount of +the April bills should be paid me in six equal monthly payments. This +arrangement still leaving me unprovided with the means of satisfying +the approaching demands, the Ambassador made personal application to a +rich banker here, and on his personal credit and my consenting that +the aforesaid six monthly payments should be applied to the repayment, +obtained a loan for me of the whole sum wanted for April. I have +passed my note for it, payable as soon as possible, with interest at +the rate of six per cent. But this provision not extending beyond +April, the fate of the bills payable in the succeeding months still +remained dubious. That nothing in my power might be left undone, I +sent on the 1st of April an express to Dr Franklin representing to him +my true situation, and the injuries our credit would sustain from the +protest of a single bill drawn by order of Congress. I desired him to +communicate my letter to Colonel Laurens, to whom I also wrote on the +subject. The express returned on the 19th instant, with a letter from +Dr Franklin, by which I am authorised to draw upon him as occasion may +require, to the amount of one hundred and fortytwo thousand two +hundred and twenty dollars, towards paying the bills that become due +between May and September. + +My endeavors, however, to obtain further aids from Spain, shall not be +relaxed. They seem very desirous of having the ships of the line, +still unfinished on the stocks at Boston and Portsmouth. I have +written to your Excellency on this subject, and have as yet received +no answer. When I consider that the state of our finances has so long +prevented the completing those ships, and the difficulties heretofore +experienced in providing for those in service; when I recollect that +the finishing and fitting out those ships will bring money into our +country, and probably prepare the way for Spain's building more +vessels in it, and lastly, when I consider how much these ships seem +to be an object, I am almost prevailed upon to engage positively that +Spain shall have at least one of them at prime cost. To exercise a +power not clearly within the limits of those confided to me, is a +delicate and disagreeable business. This is the first time I ever +found myself disposed to hazard it, and yet so many circumstances lead +me to think, that the public good would be promoted by the sale of +these ships, that in case I should be again pressed on this subject, I +believe I shall run the risk, from a persuasion that though such +conduct ought not to be approved or encouraged by Congress, yet that +when directed by the purest motives, and for the best purpose, it may +obtain forgiveness. + +Your Excellency will receive herewith enclosed a copy of the invoice +of prize clothing, taken by Admiral Cordova, and presented by the +Courts of France and Spain to Congress. The Count de Montmorin was +very much an American on this occasion also. Mr Harrison, at Cadiz, +has my orders to ship these goods in different vessels to America; +part of them is now on the ocean, and the rest will soon follow. Your +Excellency will receive a letter of advice with each parcel from Mr +Harrison, of whom I have a very good opinion. He charges no commission +for doing this business, being contented with the satisfaction of +serving his country. + +I have often mentioned to Congress the necessity of more effectual +provision for our captive seamen; for want of money I cannot pay that +attention to them, which their misfortunes and usefulness demand. I am +already greatly in arrears on their account, and Mr Harrison, unless +reimbursed, must soon stop his hand. + +Portugal, though overawed by France and Spain, fears and perhaps +loves England; her conduct will be determined by future events. The +Minister here has promised me to interpose the good offices of his +Court with that of Lisbon in our behalf. In time something good may +result from it. I have not received a line from Mr Dohrman; I fear he +is obliged to be very circumspect and cautious. The letters herewith +enclosed from Dr Franklin were left open for my perusal, the short +stay of my courier not allowing time for copies to be made of the +information conveyed in and with them. The intercepted letters will be +found interesting. One of them ascertains the price paid Arnold. + +I perceive that Dr Franklin desires to retire. This circumstance calls +upon me to assure Congress, that I have reason to be perfectly +satisfied with his conduct towards me, and that I have received from +him all the aid and attention I could wish or expect. His character is +very high here, and I really believe that the respectability, which he +enjoys throughout Europe, has been of general use to our cause and +country. + +Your Excellency may rely on my cordially adopting and pursuing any +measures, that can conduce to the enlargement of Mr Laurens, and I +regret that no occasion has yet offered in which I could do anything +towards the attainment of that desirable object. + +Mr Cumberland is on the road home. I much suspect that he was sent and +received, from mutual views in the two Courts of deceiving each other. +Which of them has been most successful is hard to determine. I believe +in point of intelligence, England has had the advantage. As to the +assurances of the Minister on this subject, they are all of little +consequence, because on such occasions Courts only say what may be +convenient; and therefore may or may not merit confidence. Time and +circumstances will cast more light on this subject. + +Whatever we may get from this Court is clear gain. We have no demands +upon it, and if we had, are not in a capacity to insist upon them. In +my opinion, therefore, it is of the utmost importance to avoid +appearances of discontent, and rather to impress other nations with +an opinion of the friendship of Spain for us, than otherwise. Indeed, +I really believe the King means well towards us, and that the Prime +Minister is also well disposed; but whether as much can be said of the +Minister's confidential and I believe influential secretary, M. Del +Campo, is by no means a clear point. It is proper that Congress should +know, that the gentleman intended to succeed M. Mirales was +recommended by M. Del Campo, with whom he has long been on terms of +intimacy and friendship. + +I have nevertheless no room to doubt of this gentleman's attachment to +our cause, though I am inclined to think his conduct will be +conformable in a certain degree with the views of his patron. This +ought to remain a secret. He is still here, although he expects daily +to be despatched. + +I represented the case of the Dover cutter to the Ministry here the +22d of June last. In December I obtained a promise that it should be +appraised, and the value paid to the captors, and two days ago I was +again assured, that measures were taking to bring this matter to a +conclusion. _Festina Lente_ seems to be the first maxim in Spanish +politics and operations. It is the fashion of the country and +strangers must conform to it. + +I congratulate Congress on the victory obtained by General Morgan, and +the success of the French in the Chesapeake. The enclosed gazette +contains much good news from the East Indies. These events will +probably give Lord George Germain other ideas than those which appear +in his intercepted letters. + +M. Toscan, who goes to reside as Vice Consul of France at Boston, will +carry this letter to America, and perhaps to Philadelphia. He was +ready to set out when my courier returned from France. I was obliged +to delay my letters till his arrival, and M. Toscan has been so +obliging as to wait till I could complete them. + +I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS TO JOHN JAY. + + In Congress, May 28th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Your letter of the 6th of November last, detailing your proceedings +from the 26th of May down to that period, has been received by the +United States in Congress assembled. At the same time was received +your letter of the 30th of November, with the several papers therein +referred to. + +It is with pleasure, Sir, I obey the direction of Congress to inform +you, that throughout the whole course of your negotiations and +transactions, in which the utmost address and discernment were often +necessary to reconcile the respect due to the dignity of the United +States with the urgency of their wants, and the complaisance expected +by the Spanish Court, your conduct is entirely approved by them. It is +their instruction that you continue to acknowledge, on all suitable +occasions, the grateful impression made on these States by the +friendly disposition manifested toward them by his Catholic Majesty, +and particularly by the proofs given of it in the measures which he +has taken, and which it is hoped he will further take, for preserving +their credit, and for aiding them with a supply of clothing for their +army. You are also authorised and instructed to disavow, in the most +positive and explicit terms, any secret understanding or negotiation +between the United States and Great Britain; to assure his Catholic +Majesty, that such insinuations have no other source than the +invidious designs of the common enemy, and that as the United States +have the highest confidence in the honor and good faith both of his +Most Christian and of his Catholic Majesty, so it is their inviolable +determination to take no step, which shall depart in the smallest +degree from their engagements with either. + +Should the Court of Spain persist in the refusal intimated by its +Minister to accede to the treaty between the United States and his +Most Christian Majesty, or to make it the basis of its negotiation +with you, the difficulty, it is conceived, may easily be avoided by +omitting all express reference to that treaty, and at the same time +conforming to the principles and tenor of it; and you are accordingly +authorised so far to vary the plan of your original instructions. As +his Most Christian Majesty however may justly expect, in a matter +which so nearly concerns him, and which was brought into contemplation +in the treaty he so magnanimously entered into with these States, the +strongest marks of attention and confidence, you will not fail to +maintain, in the several steps of your negotiation, a due +communication with his Minister at the Court of Spain, and to include +his interests as far as circumstances will warrant. + +You are authorised to acquaint his Catholic Majesty that not only +entire liberty will be granted, during the war at least, to export +naval stores for the royal marine, but that every facility will be +afforded for that purpose. + +As Congress have no control over the captains of private vessels, +however proper your hints may be of obliging them to give a passage to +American seamen returning home from foreign ports, and to send an +officer with despatches intrusted to them for foreign Ministers, it is +impracticable to carry them into execution, you will therefore +continue to provide for these objects for the present, in the best +manner you can. As soon as the United States are in condition to +establish consuls in the principal ports of the States with which they +have intercourse, the difficulty will be removed; or if any other +practicable remedy be suggested in the meantime, it will be applied. + +The letter, of which you enclose a copy, from Stephen d'Audibert +Caille, styling himself consul for unrepresented nations at the Court +of Morocco, had before been received through the hands of Dr Franklin. +If you shall have no objection to the contrary, you will correspond +with him, and assure him in terms the most respectful to the Emperor, +that the United States in Congress assembled entertain a sincere +disposition to cultivate the most perfect friendship with him, and +that they will embrace a favorable occasion to announce their wishes +in form. + +The generous and critical services rendered these United States by +Messrs Neufville and Son, have recommended them to the esteem and +confidence of Congress. You will signify as much to them, and that +their services will not be forgotten, whenever a proper occasion +offers of promoting their interests. + +Your intimation with respect to complimenting his Catholic Majesty +with a handsome, fast sailing packet-boat, claims attention; but the +variety of public embarrassments will render the execution of it very +uncertain. + +Congress agree to an extension of Colonel Livingston's furlough, till +the further order of Congress, which you will make known to him. + +Your letter of the 16th of September last was received on the 4th day +of December. No bills have been drawn on you since. That of the 28th +of January was received on the 27th day of April; and in consequence +of it the sale of the bills already drawn, but then remaining on hand, +was countermanded. + +By a letter from Mr Carmichael, dated the 22d of February, and +received on the 27th of April last, Congress are informed that you had +received despatches from them dated in October. These must have +contained their instructions to you to adhere to the claim of the +United States to the navigation of the Mississippi. A reconsideration +of that subject determined Congress, on the 15th day of February last, +to recede from that instruction so far as it insisted on their claim +to the navigation of that river below the thirtyfirst degree of north +latitude, and to a free port or ports below the same. On the receipt +of this latter instruction, Congress have little doubt that the great +obstacle to your negotiations will be removed, and that you will not +only be able without further delay to conclude the proposed alliance +with his Catholic Majesty, but that the liberality and friendly +disposition manifested on the part of the United States by such a +cession, will induce him to afford them some substantial and effectual +aid in the article of money. The loss attending the negotiation of +bills of exchange has been severely felt. A supply of specie through +the Havana would be much more convenient and acceptable. + + SAMUEL HUNTINGTON, _President_. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Aranjues, May 29th, 1781. + + Sir, + +My last to your Excellency was of the 25th ult. and was the more +particular, as Mr Toscan, who is appointed Vice Consul of France at +Boston, and was the bearer of it; he sailed from Bilboa. + +On the 18th instant I received from Mr Lovell three letters written on +one sheet, viz. 20th of February, 9th and 31st of March last. No other +copies of these letters ever reached me. They arrived at Cadiz in the +Virginia; but the papers and journals said to accompany them never +came to my hands, nor have I received any letters from your Excellency +since January last. + +On the 23d instant I waited upon his Excellency, the Count de Florida +Blanca, and informed him of the facts stated in the above memorial. He +said, he had not as yet heard anything upon the subject; that there +was such an ordinance, and that prudence demanded that the admission +of letters from abroad, especially in time of war, should be under the +direction of government. That the situation of North America rendered +new regulations necessary, that he would turn his thoughts to it, and +do what should appear equitable. The next day I sent him Mr Harrison's +memorial in a letter on the subject of it. + +As this letter will go by the post, I must omit being minute about +many matters, which I wish to communicate to Congress. Cyphers would +probably impede the progress of this letter, if not stop it. + +The captors of the Dover cutter still remain unsatisfied. My first +memorial on that subject was dated and presented the 22d of June last. +In the winter I was promised, that the prize should be appraised, and +the value paid. At present I am assured that informations about it are +taking. + +M. Gardoqui, it is said, will set out in June. If a safe conveyance, +which I am encouraged to expect in about a fortnight's time, should +offer, I shall write your Excellency a long letter, and mention the +dates of my former ones. If not, I shall take another method, not +proper to explain in this letter, which, notwithstanding its different +covers, will, I doubt not, be inspected before it reaches Cadiz. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, June 4th, 1781. + + Sir, + +I enclose a resolve of Congress, of May 24th, respecting an interest +of Messrs Dumain and Lyon, with their petition annexed. I also add the +copy of a resolve of September the 27th, 1780, and of a short letter +of mine to a gentleman in Teneriffe, to serve as a memorandum in case +you have not already procured justice for Mr Magnall and his +associates, who took the Dover cutter. Mr McCarrick of Santa Cruz is +knowing to all the circumstances of that affair. Magnall has been +unfortunate from the time he left this place last October; he is now +here. I do not know whether this is the matter referred to in the +letter of Mr Carmichael of December 24th, where he says, "The Minister +also engaged to do justice to certain Americans, who carried a British +privateer to the Canaries." I send you an extract from instructions +given to Dr Franklin concerning M. d'Audibert Caille, which may serve +to govern your conduct towards that gentleman. + +Your humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL. + + * * * * * + + TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, June 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +On the 4th I transmitted to you a resolve of May 24th, respecting an +interest of Messrs Dumain and Lyon, with their petition annexed. You +will herewith receive other copies of those papers by opportunities, +which the party concerned will industriously find. I recommend the +business afresh to your attention, those worthy men having already met +with vexatious delays on this side of the water. + +With much esteem I am, Sir, your friend, + + JAMES LOVELL. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, July 4th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +The derangement of our money affairs, the enormity of our public +expenditures, the confusion in all our departments, the languor of our +general system, the complexity and consequent inefficacy of our +operations; these are some among the many reasons which have induced +Congress to the appointment of a Superintendent of Finance. I enclose +you copies of their resolutions on that subject, with such other +papers as will fully explain to you my appointment and powers. + +The use of this office must be found in a progress towards the +accomplishment of these two capital objects, the raising a revenue +with the greatest convenience to the people, and the expenditure of it +with the greatest economy to the public. + +The various requisitions of Congress to the several States, none of +them entirely complied with, create a considerable balance in favor of +the United States, and the claiming this balance is delivered over to +me as revenue; while on the other hand, the dangerous practice of +taking articles for the public service and giving certificates to the +people, has created a very general and a very heavy debt. The amount +of this debt is swelled beyond all reasonable bounds, nor can the +extent of it be at present estimated. These things need no +explanation, but it may be proper to observe, that if the certificates +were not in my way, there is still an infinite difference between the +demand of a balance from the States, and an effectual revenue. The +latter can be obtained only in consequence of wise laws generally +adopted, and as generally executed with vigor and decision. Were all +that is necessary on these heads accomplished, something further would +still remain to be done, in order that the produce of taxes should he +subject to the sole and absolute disposition of the United States, or +of their officers. To you who are acquainted with republican +governments, it is unnecessary to observe on the delays which will +arise, the obstacles which will be raised, and the time which will be +consumed, in placing the revenue of America on a proper footing. Yet +this is absolutely necessary before credit can be established, and the +indispensable supplies obtained on terms of economy. + +To reform our expenditure is an object of equal importance with the +other, and it is in some degree within my power, as you will perceive +it to have been subjected to my authority. But even here I find myself +trammeled by the want of necessary funds. To contract, for instance, +with any one, in order to obtain bread for our troops, requires the +previous certainty of being able to make the stipulated payments. And +so in every other case, I shall be unable to act with decision, unless +I have the command of money. On the other hand, the people will bear +with great reluctance the necessary imposition of heavy burthens, +while they can perceive any want of arrangement, method, or economy, +in the administration of their affairs. + +If for a moment we suppose, that this country, amid the confusions of a +revolution, and the rage of war, could be governed with all the +regularity, wisdom, and prudence, of ancient and peaceable nations; +yet we must be convinced, that no annual revenue she is able to raise +could equal the annual expense in an offensive war against so powerful +a nation, as that which we now contend with. A great balance, +therefore, must remain, and it must be provided for by loans or +subsidies. + +To expect loans within the United States, presupposes an ability to +lend, which does not exist in any considerable number of the +inhabitants. The personal property, not immediately engaged, either in +commerce or the improvement of lands, was never very considerable. +Little as it was, it has been greatly diminished by the pernicious +effects of a depreciating medium. This expedient, which was adopted in +the beginning from necessity, and too pertinaciously adhered to in the +sequel, has not only exhausted the funds of those who might have been +willing to trust the United States, but it has so wounded our public +credit, that even the will would be wanting if the ability existed, +which as I said before, it really does not. + +While we have neither credit nor means at home, it is idle to expect +much from individuals abroad. Our foreign credit must be nurtured with +tenderness and attention before it can possess any great degree of +force, and it must be fed by substantial revenue, before we can call +it into active exertion or derive beneficial effects from its +application. + +All reasonable expectation, therefore, is narrowed down to the +friendly interposition of those sovereigns, who are associates in the +war. From Holland, we can properly ask nothing; nor is she, I believe, +in a capacity to grant it if we did ask. The active efforts of France +require all the resources of that great nation, and of consequence the +pecuniary aid which she affords us can but little advance the general +cause, however it may relieve our immediate distress. + +We must then turn our eyes to Spain, and we must ask either loans or +subsidies to a very considerable amount. Small sums are not worth the +acceptance. They have the air of obligation without affording relief. +A small sum, therefore, is not an object to the United States, for +they do not mean to beg gratuities, but to make rational requests. + +As Congress have empowered you to remove the obstacles, which have +hitherto impeded your negotiations, you will doubtless proceed with +prudent despatch in forming the important treaties, which are to be +the basis of our national connexion. Your own integrity, and the +dispositions which you certainly feel, as the true representative of +your Sovereign, to gratify the wishes of his Catholic Majesty, will +give you just claim to the confidence and friendly support of his +Ministers. And on the other hand, his Majesty's known piety and +justice, will certainly induce him to facilitate a permanent union +between the two countries, and to overturn that power, whose ambition +is known, felt, and detested, throughout the habitable globe. + +Having a perfect confidence in the wisdom of his Majesty's Ministers, +I must request that you will submit to their consideration the +reasons, which operate in favor of the advances we expect. In doing +this, it will immediately strike you and them, that the enemy carries +on the operations against us at an expense infinitely greater than +that by which they are opposed. By enabling us, therefore, to increase +our resistance, and redouble our offensive efforts, the British will +be reduced to the necessity of increasing their force in America, or +of submitting beneath a decided superiority. Either must be fatal to +them. In the first instance, they will be crushed by the weight of +expense; and, in the second, they must, while they lose an actual +force, and part forever with the object in contest, feel the increased +weight of the American arms, and make head against those resources, +applied to a marine, which are now consumed in land operations. + +Money ought, therefore, to be supplied to us from the Havana, which +will at the same time save the risk of transporting it to Europe, +while, as I have already observed, it must, when employed among us, +absolutely ruin the common enemy. For, when once they are driven from +the United States, they must, at a considerable expense, defend, or, +at a great loss, relinquish the rest of their American possessions; +and, in either case, the resources of this country will enable France +and Spain to carry on operations for the subjection of the British +Islands. + +With respect to our finance, I am further to observe, that the +resolutions of Congress, of the 18th of March, 1780, have neither been +so regularly adopted by the States as was hoped and expected, nor been +productive of those consequences, which were intended. It is +unnecessary to travel into the causes, or to explain the reasons of +this event. The fact is clear. The new money is depreciated, and there +is the strong evidence of experience to convince us, that the issuing +of paper, at present, must be ineffectual. Taxation has not yet been +pursued to that extent, which was necessary. Neither is it reasonable +to expect that it should. Time has been required under all governments +to accustom the people by degrees to bear heavy burdens. The people of +America have so patiently endured the various calamities of the war, +that there is good reason to expect they will not shrink at this late +hour from the imposition of just and equal taxes. But many +arrangements are necessary to this purpose, and, therefore, an +immediate pecuniary assistance is the more necessary to us. Our debts, +under which I comprise, as well those of the individual States, as +those of the Union, are but trifling, when we consider the exertions +which have been made. The debt I have already mentioned on +certificates is heavy, not from the real amount, but because it is +beyond what the supplies obtained were reasonably worth, and because +it impedes taxation and impairs its effects. But the amount of other +debts so small, that a few years of peace would bring it within the +bounds of a revenue very moderate, when compared with the wealth of +our country. You well know the rapid increase of that wealth, and how +soon it would relieve us from the weight of debts, which might be in +the first instance very burdensome. There can, therefore, be no doubt, +that we shall be able to pay all those, which it may be necessary to +contract. But, as I have already observed, our great difficulty is the +want of means in our people, and of credit in our government. + +It gives me, however, very great pleasure to inform you, that the +determined spirit of the country is by no means abated either by the +continuance of the war, the ravages of our enemy, the expense of blood +and treasure we have sustained, or the artifices, falsehoods, and +delusions of an insidious foe. These last become daily more and more +contemptible in America, and it appears equally astonishing, that they +should longer attempt them here, or boast the success of such attempts +in Europe. Uniform experience has shown the futility of their efforts, +and the falsehood of their assertions. I know they take the advantage +of every little success to vaunt the prowess of their troops and +proclaim hopes of conquest, which they do not feel. But those, who +know anything of our history or situation, must have the utmost +contempt for all these gasconades. It is impossible they should make +impression upon any but weak minds, and I should hardly have thought +of mentioning them, but I learn by letters from Spain, that men, who +are uninformed, have been led into misapprehensions from +circumstances, which were here considered as trivial and even +favorable. + +I could hardly have supposed that our enemies had still the folly to +repeat, as I am told they do, that there is an English party in +America. Bribes and deceit have induced some wicked and weak men to +join them; but when we consider the sums they have expended, and the +falsehoods they have used, our wonder is not, that they have got so +many, but that they have gained so few. The independence of America is +considered here as established; so much so, that even those of +equivocal character accustom themselves to cherish the idea; for the +doubt is not now, whether an acknowledgment of it will take place, but +when that acknowledgment will be made. Our exertions also, in the +present moment, are not so much directed to establish our liberties, +as to prevent the ravages of the enemy, abridge the duration and +calamities of the war, and faithfully contribute to the reduction of a +power, whose ambition was equally dangerous and offensive to every +other. + +All reasonings on this subject must be deeply enforced, by paying +attention to what has happened in the Southern States. The progress of +the enemy, while in appearance it menaced the conquest of that +extensive region, tended only, in effect, to exhaust him by fruitless +efforts, so that at length a handful of men have rescued the whole +from his possession. The attack on Virginia (if the piratical +incursions there can deserve that name) has been equally futile. The +commanders may indeed have enriched themselves by plunder, and many +worthy families have been distressed; but what is the consequence? +Indignation and resentment have stimulated even the weak and indolent +to action. The wavering are confirmed, and the firm are exasperated, +so that every hour, and by every operation, they create enemies, +instead of gaining subjects. + +Our armies, though not very numerous, are powerful. The regular troops +are so much improved in discipline and the habits of a military life, +that they are at least equal to any troops in the world. Our militia +are becoming more and more warlike, so as to supply the wants of +regular troops, when the enemy (taking advantage of that convenience, +which their ships afford them) transfer the scene of action from one +place to another. The number of the British diminishes daily, and of +consequence, our superiority becomes daily more decisive. The greatest +plenty of subsistence is to be had for our armies, and the prospects +from the present harvest are beyond all former experience. I wish I +could add, that clothing and military stores were as abundant as those +other requisites for war. This is not the case; our soldiers, indeed, +are well armed, and, in some degree, they are clothed. We have also +ammunition abundantly sufficient for the common operations of the +field. But many of our militia are unarmed, and the sieges, which will +be necessary to expel the enemy, must make a heavy deduction from our +military stores. + +The proposed siege of New York will soon be commenced, and would +undoubtedly be successful, if we could maintain a decided superiority +at sea. This must depend on contingencies, which are not in our power, +nor perhaps in the power of any human being. I am not without hopes, +even if we should not possess that superiority; but the expense will, +from the want of it, be very considerably enhanced, and this is a +circumstance which I cannot but deplore, for I repeat it again, the +want of money can alone prevent us from making the greatest +exertions. What our exertions have already been, our enemies +themselves must acknowledge, and while from insidious views, they +assert that they could not make an impression on us with ninety +thousand soldiers and seamen, we are certainly authorised to conclude +from this confession, that these States form a considerable balance in +the scale against them. + +I am now, therefore, again led to reiterate my request of a +considerable sum of money from Spain; for I also again repeat, that +small sums are not worth our acceptance, and I may add, they are +unworthy the dignity of his Catholic Majesty. There can be no doubt, +nor will the Spanish Ministry deny, that there is a considerable risk +in transporting their money from the new world to the old, besides, +that when expended there, it necessarily runs through the different +channels of commerce, to feed the wants and invigorate the forces of +the enemy. There is, therefore, a double policy in expending a part of +it here, where it can not only be brought with safety and despatch, +but be employed to an immense advantage, when compared with its +effects in Europe. If it be asked, what advantages Spain will derive +in particular during the war, and what recompense can be made her +after the peace? I answer, that the weakening more the common enemy by +a given sum, is in itself a great advantage, and that to do this, by +sparing the blood of Spanish subjects, is an advantage still greater. +I add, that when relieved from the enemy, we may assist her in the +reduction of the Floridas and Bahamas, and, perhaps, of Jamaica. We +shall then, also, be in a situation to secure Nova Scotia, thereby +depriving Great Britain of her principal resource for ship-timber, and +enable us to furnish that essential article to the navy of Spain, on +cheaper and better terms, than it can be had elsewhere. On this last +subject, I have further to observe, that there is hardly anything in +which the maritime power of Spain is so much interested; for if we do +not possess that country, it will be impracticable to furnish those +supplies of masts and spars, which both France and Spain may stand in +need of; so that, of consequence, their positive and absolute strength +at sea will be the less, while that of the enemy is positively and +absolutely greater. The comparative inferiority, therefore, will be +still more considerable. Nor is this all. A marine requires men, as +well as ships. The fisheries and collieries are two pillars, which +support the marine of Britain, so far forth as seamen are required. +But it is evident, that the fisheries could not long continue in her +hands, if she were deprived of Nova Scotia. Here again, we are also to +consider, that there is an immense difference between that patient +resistance, whose opposition must at length weary the enemy into +granting our independence, and those vigorous active operations, which +may wrest from them their present possessions. Money is necessary for +the latter, and I can say with confidence, that money alone is +necessary. + +But to return. The advantages which will flow to Spain at a peace, +from giving effectual aid to our finances now, will be, in the first +place, the common compensation of repayment, should his Catholic +Majesty prefer loans to subsidies. The having expelled the English +from the Bay of Mexico, and having, by that means, prevented the +contraband commerce, so destructive to his revenue, will be another +striking advantage, which cannot have escaped the penetration of his +Ministers. But this is not all. The opening a port in East Florida, on +the shores of the Atlantic, under proper regulations and +restrictions, would enable us to carry on a commerce very advantageous +to Spain, because we could furnish all such supplies of provisions, +&c. as their possessions might stand in need of, and in return, take +at port, cocoa, logwood, Nicaragua wood, and, indeed, any other +commodities, which his Catholic Majesty should find it for the +advantage of his dominions to permit the exportation of. Our commerce +with Spain is also, in itself, a very considerable object. At this +moment, we take from thence wine, oil, fruit, silk, cloth, &c. And +after the conclusion of the war, our remittances of wheat, corn, fish, +and naval stores, will be of very great consequence to the commerce of +that country. Another article of commerce will be the building of +ships, which can be had on cheaper and better terms here than +elsewhere; and there can be no doubt but that the construction of +ships in this country is equal, if not superior, to that in any other. +Even now, ships might be built on his Majesty's account, though by no +means so cheaply as in times of peace; besides that, as there is now +no seasoned timber in the country, such ships would not be durable, +and, therefore, it might, perhaps, be imprudent to get any more than +are immediately necessary. + +To all the other advantages, which would arise to his Catholic +Majesty, I may add, (although that is not so properly within my +department,) the security, which his dominions would derive from our +guarantee. This is an advantage, which must be the more evident from a +consideration of what might have happened, had this country continued +in union with Great Britain, and had Great Britain pursued those +schemes of universal empire, which the virtue and fortitude of America +first checked, and which it is the object of the present war to +frustrate. Our enemies do, I know, allege, that our weakness is unable +to withstand them, and that our force is dangerous to Spain. The +serious refutation of such absurd contradictions would involve an +absurdity. It may not, however, be improper to observe, that the +attention of this country, for a century past, has been, and for a +century to come, most probably will be, entirely turned to agriculture +and commerce. We must always, therefore, be useful neighbors, and +never dangerous, except to those who may have views of dominion. Spain +can never be in this predicament, though the British may and will. +Their solicitude, therefore, to inspire apprehensions of us is, and +ought to be, the strongest argument against entertaining them. But, if +this evident reasoning did not exist, still the conduct of Congress, +with regard to his Catholic Majesty, has been so just, and even +generous, not only in being willing to secure his rights, but to +gratify him by foregoing their own, that there is not room for the +shadow of suspicion. This conduct, I should suppose, would alone have +weight sufficient to procure what it is my object to request, if the +other very cogent and conclusive reasons for it did not apply. And, +after all, if it be considered how much greater is the interest of +Spain at the vigorous continuance of the present war, than that of any +other of the associates, I cannot permit myself one moment to doubt of +your success. I am the more sanguine from the character of the +Catholic King, and of his Ministers, for wisdom, candor, and +integrity. These qualities will, I am sure, meet such corresponding +dispositions in the United States, that the most thorough harmony and +coalition must inevitably take place. This is an object of the +greatest importance to both countries. Mutual benefits and the +reciprocation of good offices will endear a connexion between them, +and their interests require that this connexion should be of the +closest kind. + +In every point of view, therefore, that we can consider the subject, +the advance I have mentioned must appear alike beneficial. If the +Governor of Cuba, or any other person, were duly authorised, +stipulations might even now be entered into for furnishing all +necessary supplies of provisions to the fleets and armies of his +Catholic Majesty, which would certainly facilitate their operations. +The advance of money also by Spain would enable the fleets and troops +of France to subsist cheaper than at present, because it would tend to +raise the exchange here, which is now too low. + +Your own good sense will suggest to you many other most forcible +arguments, as well as the proper time and manner of applying them. It +is necessary to mention, that the sum of five million dollars may, +perhaps, be sufficient for our present emergencies; but if a greater +sum can be obtained, we shall thereby become more extensively useful. +Whatever the grant may be, it will be proper that it be sent hither in +some Spanish ships of war from the Havana, or advanced to us there; in +which latter case, we will devise the means of bringing it away. +Whether to ask for subsidies, or loans, as well as the terms on which +either are to be obtained, these, Sir, are objects, which you are +fully competent to determine upon. I have only to wish that your +applications may meet with that success, which I am confident you will +not fail to merit. As the means of facilitating your views, I shall +apply to the Minister of his Most Christian Majesty here, to write on +the same subject to the French Ambassador at Madrid. The generous +conduct of France gives just ground of reliance on her friendly +assistance; and you are too well convinced of this, not to act in the +most perfect harmony with the servants of that Court, especially on an +occasion so important as the present. I need not stimulate your +activity, by observing how precious is every moment of time in those +affairs, on which the fate of Empires depends; nor need I suggest the +importance of a treaty, and particularly a subsidiary treaty with +Spain, in that moment, when the judgment of Europe is to be passed on +the fate of America. For, however impracticable it may be to subdue +us, it is undoubtedly of moment to hasten the approach of that period, +when the acknowledgment of our independence shall give the blessings +of peace to so many contending nations. To spare the present lavish +effusion of blood and treasure, is a serious object with those, who +feel, as you do, the emotions of benevolence; and I am confident, that +the patriotism, which has inspired your conduct, will prompt you to +obtain a peace honorable for your country and advantageous to her +friends. The only probable method to effect these things, is a +thorough union of forces and resources, to reduce the pride and power +of that aspiring nation, whose ambition embroils the universe. + +With all possible respect, I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, July 7th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +This will accompany my former letter of the 4th instant, which you +will perceive to be so written, as that it may be shown, if +necessary, to the Spanish Minister. You will make such use of it as +prudence may dictate. I would gladly now give you details of our +situation and plans for reforming it, but I have not yet sufficiently +obtained the one, nor matured the other. Whenever I am in capacity to +apprize you fully of these things, you shall hear from me at large on +the subject. At present I can only inform you that a sum of hard money +will, from particular circumstances, afford us relief and turn to our +advantage far beyond what might be supposed from the amount. Although +I have stated the demand at five millions, yet I beg you will take as +much as you can obtain, though it be far short of that sum. But at the +same time, I repeat, that a very small one is not worth the +acceptance. Knowing our wants to be great, you will judge properly as +to what we can accept consistently with our dignity. + +I enclose you a cypher, and with the duplicate of my letters I will +send you another. Should both arrive safe, you will be so kind as to +hand one to Mr Carmichael, letting me know which you keep and write +by. + +I have the honor to be your Excellency's most obedient and humble +servant, + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Office of Finance, July 9th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +Observing by your correspondence with Congress, that you are put to a +good deal of expense by American seamen arriving from captivity at +Cadiz, where they also grow very troublesome, I offer the following +proposal to your consideration. Authorise Mr Harrison, or whoever may +be your agent at Cadiz, to enter into contracts with such Americans as +present themselves for the bounty of their country, to proceed from +Cadiz, in such ship or vessel as he may provide for the purpose, for +such port within the United States as he may appoint, at the monthly +wages of six or eight Spanish dollars, to be paid as soon after their +arrival in America as the cargo of the vessel shall be landed. After +they sign such contract, he is to supply their wants sparingly, until +he collects a sufficient number to man a suitable vessel, which he may +procure either by charter or purchase, whichever may be in his power, +and shall appear most eligible at the time. If he charter, it should +be on such terms that the owners risk their vessel, putting in their +own master, and, if they choose it, part of the seamen. The vessel to +be loaded with salt for account and risk of the United States; freight +so much per bushel or so much per ton to America and back. But in that +case, let it be always a condition, that the vessel may be ordered +from the first place she arrives, to any one other port in America; +because, it may happen that she will arrive where there cannot be got +a cargo to load her back, or where the salt would be of no use. + +If your funds will admit of it, and vessels can be furnished cheap, +this would be the more eligible mode of doing the business, because I +could then either send the vessels back, or sell, as might suit best. +In case of purchase, they should be fast sailers, with good sails and +rigging, well found and fitted, and if armed, so much the better. +Honest, active, industrious, and faithful masters must be provided for +these vessels, and they must all come addressed to my order, directed +for this port, with liberty however to get into any safe port they +can. The master to give me immediate notice of his arrival, when I +shall give proper orders, or probably have them previously ready. An +account of the moneys advanced to each person on board these vessels, +as well as the cost and outfit of the ship and cost of the cargo, must +be sent me by each vessel, in order that proper deductions may be made +from the people, and proper credits be given for the costs. You will +observe, I am duly empowered by Congress to export and import for +account and risk of the United States; and I think this plan so likely +to benefit the public, that I very freely give my sanction to it, +provided you can find the money. Your agent must give me regular +advice of every expedition, and inform you also whenever he commences +them. When a ship is provided and a master appointed, all the men +should sign articles for the voyage in the common form. + +I am, Dear Sir, &c. + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, July 13th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +I enclose you in this packet the plan of a national bank, which I have +been induced to adopt for the following reasons. The issuing of a +large paper medium converted the coin of the country into a commodity, +so that much of it was exported and the remainder concealed. The +depreciation of our paper has so lessened our currency, that there is +not a sufficiency for commerce and taxation, without creating by the +latter such distress in the former, as must injure every order of men +in the community. It is necessary, therefore, to fill up the +deficiency in such proportion as it may be called, and with such +medium as may preserve its value. + +I have already in my letter of the 4th instant stated the want of +ability in the people to lend, and of credit in the government to +borrow. An additional reason, therefore, for establishing a bank is, +that the small sums advanced by the holders of bank stock may be +multiplied in the usual manner by means of their credit, so as to +increase the resource, which government can draw from it, and at the +same time, by placing the collected mass of private credit between the +lenders and borrowers, supply at once the want of ability in the one, +and of credit in the other. + +An additional reason for this institution is, to supply the place of +all our other paper, which it is my design to absorb as soon as +possible, and thereby to relieve the people from those doubts and +anxieties, which have weakened our efforts, relaxed our industry, and +impaired our wealth. But this must not be done, without the +substitution of other paper, for reasons which I have already +assigned, and because that our commerce would suffer for the want of +that facility in money transactions, which paper alone can give. + +Finally, one very strong motive, which has impelled my conduct on this +occasion, is to unite the several States more closely together, in one +general money connexion, and indissolubly to attach many powerful +individuals to the cause of our country, by the strong principle of +self-love, and the immediate sense of private interest. It may not be, +perhaps, improper to show and explain this plan to the Spanish +Ministry. They will then perceive how, by an advance of money, they +may in this instance increase our resources and our efforts in a +degree much superior to the immediate sum, and they may be assured, +that on a variety of other occasions, similar benefits will result +from it. I take this opportunity, however, to observe to you, that I +do not mean this, or any other communication, should be absolutely +made. It is, on the contrary, my unalterable opinion, that a prudent +Minister on the spot should be left to act with large discretionary +power, being always furnished with such details, as will enable him to +judge with propriety, and act with decision. + +It will undoubtedly strike your observation, that the sum of four +hundred thousand dollars is very small, considering the object which +it is my design to effect. I acknowledge that it is so, and when I +tell you, that I was very apprehensive that we should be unable to +fill a larger subscription, and when I add, that it is far from +certain we shall get all of this moderate sum, you will see still more +clearly the force of those observations which I have already made. But +it is weakness to be deterred by difficulties from a proper pursuit. I +am, therefore, determined that the bank shall be well supported, until +it can support itself, and then it will support us. I mean that the +stock, instead of four hundred thousand dollars, shall be four hundred +thousand pounds, and perhaps more. How soon it will rise to that +amount, it is impossible to foresee. But this we may venture to +assert, that if a considerable sum of specie can be speedily thrown +into it, the period when its force and utility will be felt and known +is not far off. + +After I had determined to make the application to the Court of Madrid, +which is contained in my letters, it was my next object to obtain for +you such support as might materially favor your operations. For this +purpose I have written to Dr Franklin, and have told him, that you +would receive by this conveyance, and forward to him, copies of those +resolutions and letters, which may be necessary to explain my +appointment and powers. I lay this task on your Secretaries, because +the want of clerks in my office, and the many things to be done, +together with the short time allowed me by the departure of the +vessel, prevent me from having duplicates made out. I have written to +the Doctor to apply to the Court of Versailles, to further your +negotiations with their influence. I am confident his application will +not be unsuccessful; but how you may derive most benefit from the +cooperation of the French Court, you best can tell. Major Franks, +therefore, is instructed to take your orders for Passy, and return +thence to Philadelphia; so that you will have an opportunity of +communicating fully with the Doctor on any subject you think proper. +You may write to me by any opportunity, if this should arrive safe, +because our cypher will prevent you from being exposed to interested +or impertinent curiosity. + +To obtain for you still further assistance, I have applied (in the +absence of M. de la Luzerne, who is gone to camp,) to M. de Marbois +for letters to their Ambassador at the Court of Madrid. I have stated +my views, my hopes, and wishes, with that candor which is proper on +such occasions, and which I wish to preserve on all occasions. M. de +Marbois has, in consequence, written a letter on the subject, in which +he informs the Ambassador of our conversation, states the disorders of +our finances, and makes polite mention of my operations, my designs, +and abilities, as well as the confidence reposed in me by Congress, +and by the people at large. He details the proposed plans, and +particularly that of the Bank, and shows forcibly the advantages, +which would result from a considerable advance of money by Spain. He +assigns also very proper reasons to show why it ought to be +considerable, if it be made at all. The great interest of France in +this business, as well as the open and candid manner, which has marked +all transactions I have hitherto had with the Minister of that nation, +induces me to believe that this letter is more than a compliment, and +that as it is intended, so it will operate to produce the desired +effect. + +That nothing in my power might be wanting to the success of a +business, which you must be convinced I have very much at heart, I +have also applied to Don Francisco Rendon, who at present acts here +for Spain, and I have every reason to believe that he will write to +the Spanish Court such a letter as I wish. But after all, much, my +Dear Sir, must depend on your prudence, your activity, and your +attentions to incline, to stimulate, to lead the Ministry into our +views, to remove the obstacles, surmount the difficulties, and crush +the procrastinations, which retard the completion of an object so +essential to your country. I am happy to add, that I have the utmost +confidence in your abilities, your industry, and integrity. + +There is a possibility that money may be obtained from Portugal, and +though I confess there is not a very solid ground to build on, and +though it must be owned that appearances are against us, yet I think +it best not too much to trust appearances, either favorable or +unfavorable, and to leave nothing unattempted which may be useful. It +was for reasons of this sort that my letter of the 9th instant, which +I enclose you a copy of, was written to Congress. In consequence of +it, on the 11th they passed a resolution, of which I also enclose you +a copy, and have only to add, that you will act entirely according to +your own discretion on this occasion. I cannot pretend to know the +situation of the Court of Lisbon, and therefore I will not attempt to +measure out a line of conduct to be pursued there. You are, for every +reason, more competent to this business than I am, and therefore I +submit it to your management entirely. + +You will observe that a material part of my letter of the 9th remains +unnoticed by Congress. The Committee had not yesterday reported upon +it. Should anything be done previous to the departure of this vessel, +you shall know it. But you are so well acquainted with the delays +incident to public assemblies, that you will not be surprised if you +hear nothing further on the subject. + +It is unnecessary for me to make any other mention of Major Franks, +except to inform you, that after a critical examination into his +conduct by a court of inquiry, he was honorably acquitted of all +improper connexion with his late General.[29] For the rest, you are +perfectly acquainted with him, and will therefore take that notice of +him which he deserves. + +I am, Dear Sir, your most obedient and humble servant, + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + +FOOTNOTE: + +[29] Major Franks was Aid to General Arnold at the time his treachery +was discovered, but he was honorably acquitted from all suspicion of +having any knowledge of Arnold's designs. + + * * * * * + + _Plan of a Bank, referred to in the preceding Letter._ + + 1. That a subscription be opened for four hundred thousand + dollars, in shares of four hundred dollars each, to be paid + in gold or silver. + + 2. That the subscription be paid into the hands of George + Clymer and John Nixon, or their agents. + + 3. That any subscriber of less than five shares, pay the + whole sum on the day of his subscription. + + 4. That every subscriber of five shares or upwards, pay one + half the sum on the day of his subscription, and the other + half within three months of that day. + + 5. That every holder of a share shall be entitled to vote by + himself, his agent, or proxy, properly appointed, at all + elections for directors, and that he have as many votes as he + holds shares. And that every subscriber may sell and transfer + his share or shares at his pleasure, the transfer being made + in the bank book, in presence and with the approbation of the + proprietor or his lawful attorney, the purchaser then to + become entitled to the right of voting, &c. + + 6. That there be twelve directors chosen from among those + entitled to vote, who at this first meeting shall choose one + as president. + + 7. That there be a meeting of the directors quarterly, for + the purpose of regulating the affairs of the bank; any seven + of the directors to make a board, and that the board have + power to adjourn from time to time. + + 8. That the board of directors determine the manner of doing + business, and the rules and forms to be pursued, appoint the + various officers, which they may find necessary, and dispose + of the money and credit of the bank for the interest and + benefit of the proprietors, and make from time to time such + dividends out of the profits as they may think proper. + + 9. That the board be empowered from time to time, to open new + subscriptions, for the purpose of increasing the capital of + the bank on such terms and conditions as they shall think + proper. + + 10. That the board shall, at every quarterly meeting, choose + two directors to inspect and control the business of the bank + for the ensuing three months. + + 11. That the inspectors so chosen shall, on the evening of + every day, Sundays excepted, deliver to the superintendent of + the finances of America, a state of the cash account, and of + the notes issued and received. + + 12. That the bank notes, payable on demand, shall by law be + made receivable in the duties and taxes of every State in the + union, and from the respective States, by the Treasury of the + United States, as specie. + + 13. That the superintendent of the finances of America shall + have a right at all times to examine into the affairs of the + bank, and for that purpose shall have access to all the books + and papers. + + 14. That any director or officer of the bank, who shall + convert any of the property, monies, or credits thereof to + his own use, or shall any other way be guilty of fraud or + embezzlement, shall forfeit all his share or stock to the + company. + + 15. That laws shall be passed making it felony, without + benefit of clergy, to commit such fraud or embezzlement. + + 16. That the subscribers shall be incorporated under the name + of the President, Directors and Company of the Bank of North + America. + + 17. That none of the directors shall be entitled to any + pecuniary advantage for his attendance on the duties of his + office of director, or as president, or inspector, unless an + alteration in this respect shall hereafter be made by the + consent of a majority of the stockholders at a general + election. + + 18. That as soon as the subscription shall be filled, Mr + George Clymer and Mr John Nixon shall publish a list of the + names and sums respectively subscribed, with the places of + abode of the subscribers, and appoint a day for the choice of + directors, to whom, when chosen, they shall deliver over the + money by them received. + + + _Observations on the above Plan._ + +ART. 1st. The objects and use of a bank are too obvious to need +illustration. But it may not be amiss to take notice, that the first +moment of its getting into action, the credit arising from its funds +can be made use of by the government of the United States in +anticipation of taxes, in consequence of special agreements to be made +between their superintendent of Finance and the directors for that +purpose; and as the capital and credit of the bank increase, so may +this mode of anticipation be increased, to answer all the purposes of +government. It is, however, evident at the first view, that four +hundred thousand dollars are not sufficient for those purposes, nor +those of private commerce, because no considerable circulation of +paper can be founded on so narrow a basis; yet it is dangerous to +attempt more. It is not possible to determine what is the highest sum, +that could speedily be obtained by subscription. To ask more than +could be obtained would have a fatal effect; to ask less is a partial +evil. It is, however, an evil which admits of a remedy, as is +provided in the plan. + +ART. 2d. Before the corporation is formed, and much more so before the +subscription is opened, by which the company is to be determined, no +authority can be bestowed under the corporation. At the same time, it +must be remembered, that in circumstances like ours, the loss of time +involves in it the loss of many advantages. It becomes necessary, +therefore, to appoint individuals to manage the subscription and +receive the money. Mr Clymer and Mr Nixon having been formerly +directors of the Bank of Pennsylvania, and being thereby generally +known in that line, their names naturally present themselves for this +purpose. + +ART. 3d & 4th. The difference as to payments of large and small, is so +common an incitement to subscribers, on such occasions, as to speak +for itself. + +ART. 5th. The subscribers, it is expected, will consist of citizens of +every State in the Union; and, possibly, foreigners may subscribe or +purchase bank stock; therefore the necessity and propriety of enabling +them to vote by proxy; and this being a monied institution, it is just +that every share be entitled to a vote. + +ART. 6th. As the stockholders will mostly be absent from the place +where the bank is kept, the number of twelve seems quite sufficient +for the direction, as they will generally be chosen from the +residents, and there ought to be room left for rotation among these. + +ART. 7th & 8th. This plan, if adopted, will be considered as the +constitution of the Bank, and therefore necessary to establish in it +the powers of government by by-laws, rules, and regulations, and +making dividends out of the profits; it is meant that they should +annually pay a dividend of five or six per cent to the proprietors of +the stock, and then settling the accounts of the bank, declare +publicly, if necessary to give credit and confidence, what capital +remains after such dividend. It will be observed, that such dividends +are confined to be made out of the profits; consequently, the capitals +can never be touched. + +ART. 9th. When the directors, by paying a dividend out of the profits, +establish the credit of the bank firmly in the minds of the +stockholders, and by declaring the capital stock at the same time to +be increased, give it equal confidence in the general opinion, there +is little doubt but they may open new subscriptions for increasing the +capital with certainty of success. + +ART. 10th, 11th & 12th. As credit is the soul of all operations of +this kind, every precaution should be taken to support it. In the +course of things, much of the private property of America may be +dependent on the conduct of affairs at the bank. Care, therefore, +should be taken to prevent fraud and mismanagement. If the +transactions were opened to public inspection, it would be impossible +to do the business amidst the continued interruption; besides that, in +this way, the national enemies would be apprized of our resources and +operations. It is necessary, therefore, by instituting a check, to +guard against the ill consequences which lie in the way, as the public +will have much connexion with the bank, and, at times, deposit +considerable sums of money in it, and always be availing themselves of +its credit. The check should be in the hands of that officer who is +appointed to manage the monied interests of America. + +ART. 13th & 14th. The penalties on fraud and embezzlement are derived +from the same source, and are supported by the same reasoning. + +ART. 15th & 16th. The necessity of incorporating the bank is obvious, +and the propriety of rendering the office of a director honorable, +rather than lucrative, arises from this circumstance, over and above +the difference between motives of fame and interest, that at present, +any adequate salaries would absorb the profits, and in future the care +of their own interests as stockholders will be an additional +inducement to the first characters to accept the direction, for it is +not doubted but every subscriber will increase his capital in the +bank, so soon as he finds not only the national advantages it will +produce, but sees clearly his private interest advanced beyond his +most sanguine expectations. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT MORRIS TO JOHN JAY. + + Office of Finance, August 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Enclosed you have a list of sundry bills of exchange drawn on you. I +wrote you relatively to these bills on the 29th day of July last, with +sundry enclosures explanatory of my letter. I am now to inform you, +that the advices contained in that letter must, from particular +circumstances, be totally disregarded. Should any of the bills, +mentioned in the enclosed list, come to your hands, you will be pleased +to protest them, and assign, if you please, as a reason therefor, that +you have express instructions to that purport. The uncertainty, +whether you have received my cypher, prevents my using it on this +occasion. The importance of the subject obliges me to write, and as I +send many copies, the risk of capture and inspection is too great to +be more particular. + +The gazettes will furnish you with our latest intelligence. That of +New York announces the arrival of near three thousand Hessian troops, +and the capture of the Trumbull frigate. Neither of these is a very +agreeable circumstance. However, we must wait the course of events, +and struggle, as well as we can, against adverse fortune. Our affairs +to the southward wear no unpleasing aspect. And, although it is +impossible, at this distance, to determine what effect European +movements may have on American politics, our government acquires daily +a firmness and stability, which will not easily be shaken. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + ROBERT MORRIS. + + * * * * * + + JAMES LOVELL TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, August 15th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Herewith you will receive according to the resolution of Congress of +the 10th, such information relative to the surrender of Pensacola, and +the subsequent arrival of the garrison at New York, as I have been +able to obtain, which you will make use of according to your +discretion, and the spirit of the enclosed resolution. + +I am, Sir, your friend and very humble servant, + + JAMES LOVELL. + +_P. S. August 16th._--It appears to me not amiss to enclose to you a +report of a committee on the 10th, as it stands negatived on the +journals of Congress. J. L. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Ildefonso, September 20th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Your Excellency's favor of the 5th of July last, with the papers +therewith enclosed, were delivered to me on the 29th ult. by Major +Franks, whom the procrastination of the Minister still obliges me to +detain. + +The new commissions, with which Congress have honored me, argue a +degree of confidence, which demands my warmest acknowledgments, and +which, so far as it may be founded on an opinion of my zeal and +integrity, they may be assured will not prove misplaced. + +At the commencement of the present troubles, I determined to devote +myself, during the continuance of them, to the service of my country, +in any station in which she might think it proper to place me. This +resolution, for the first time, now embarrasses me. I know it to be my +duty, as a public servant, to be guided by my own judgment only in +matters referred to my discretion, and in other cases faithfully to +execute my instructions, without questioning the policy of them. But +there is one among those which accompanies these commissions, which +occasions sensations I never before experienced, and induced me to +wish that my name had been omitted. + +So far as personal pride and reluctance to humiliation may render +their appointment contra-agreeable, I view it as a very unimportant +circumstance, and should Congress, on any occasion, think it for the +public good to place me in a station inferior and subordinate to the +one I now hold, they will find me ready to descend from the one, and +cheerfully undertake the duties of the other. My ambition will always +be more gratified in being useful than conspicuous; for, in my +opinion, the solid dignity of a man depends less on the height or +extent of the sphere allotted to him, than on the manner in which he +may fulfil the duties of it. + +But, Sir, as an American, I feel an interest in the dignity of my +country, which renders it difficult for me to reconcile myself to the +idea of the sovereign independent States of America submitting, in the +persons of their Ministers, to be absolutely governed by the advice +and opinions of the servants of another sovereign, especially in a +case of such national importance. + +That gratitude and confidence are due to our allies, is not to be +questioned, and that it will, probably, be in the power of France +almost to dictate the terms of peace for us, is but too true. That +such an extraordinary extent of confidence may stimulate our allies to +the highest efforts of generous friendship in our favor is not to be +denied, and that this instruction receives some appearance of policy +from this consideration may be admitted. + +I must, nevertheless, take the liberty of observing, that however our +situation may in the opinion of Congress render it necessary to relax +their demands on every side, and even to direct their Commissioners +ultimately to concur (if nothing better could be done) in any peace or +truce not subversive of our independence, which France determined to +accede to, yet that this instruction, besides breathing a degree of +complacency not quite republican, puts it out of the power of your +Ministers to improve those chances and opportunities, which in the +course of human affairs happens more or less frequently to all men. +Nor is it clear, that America, thus casting herself into the arms of +the King of France, will advance either her interest or reputation +with that or other nations. + +What the sentiments of my colleagues on this occasion may be, I do not +as yet know, nor can I foresee how far the negotiation of the ensuing +winter may call for the execution of this commission. Thus +circumstanced, at such a distance from America, it would not be proper +to decline this appointment. I will, therefore, do my best endeavors +to fulfil the expectations of Congress on this subject, but, as for my +own part, I think it improbable, that serious negotiations for peace +will soon take place. I must entreat Congress to take an early +opportunity of relieving me from a station, wherein, in character of +their Minister, I must necessarily receive (and almost under the name +of opinions) the directions of those on whom I really think no +American Minister ought to be dependent, and to whom, in love for our +country and zeal for her service, I am sure that my colleagues and +myself are at least equal. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +_P. S._ I had an interview last evening with the Minister. Nothing was +promised or denied. A person is to be named on Sunday to confer in +earnest, as it is said, with me about the treaties. I do not despair, +though having so many bills to pay, and no money, perplexes me +extremely. The treasury of Spain is very low; much of the money for +the expenses in this war costs them between thirty and forty per +hundred, by mismanagement and want of credit. This ought not to be +public. His Excellency still looks at your ships on the stocks, but I +shall, without refusing, not consent to their changing masters. J. J. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + St Ildefonso, October 3d, 1781. + + Sir, + +My letter of the 25th of April last, by Mr Toscan, informed Congress, +that on the 30th day of January preceding, I had the honor of +receiving their letters of the 6th and 17th of October, 1780, the +latter of which states particularly and ably the right of the United +States to the free navigation of the river Mississippi, and enumerates +the various reasons which induce them to decline relinquishing +it.[30] + +Among these reasons is the guarantee contained in the treaty with +France. I hinted to Congress, that it was more than probable, that the +contents of this interesting letter were well known to the French +Court before it came to my hands. I am well persuaded, that this was +the case. Shortly after receiving it, I took occasion to converse +generally with the Ambassador on the subject of the Spanish +pretensions to that navigation, and remarked, as it were +inadvertently, how unreasonable it was for them to expect, that we +should relinquish a territorial right, which both justice and the +guarantee of France enabled us to retain. The thought did not appear +new to him, but he strongly combated this construction of the treaty, +and endeavored to explain it away by observing, that the guarantee +could not comprehend claims, whose objects we had never possessed, &c. +&c. I mention this only to show how improper it would have been for me +to have communicated this part of your Excellency's letter to the +Spanish Minister. It could have answered no good purpose, because, as +France would have disputed this construction, Spain could with +propriety have refused to admit the force of any argument drawn from +it, and it might have done much mischief, not only by bringing on an +unseasonable explanation between France and us, but also between Spain +and France. + +If I had given the Spanish Minister a copy of every other part of this +letter, except those paragraphs which contain the reasoning in +question, the omission might in future have been urged by France, who +I verily believe has a copy of that whole letter, as an argument for +my having yielded that point as not tenable; and though my opinion +might not be of much consequence, it appeared to me most prudent to +avoid doubts about it. For my own part I really did, and do think, +that this guarantee does comprehend the navigation in question, though +I also think, that no question should be raised about it at present. +So circumstanced, I thought it most advisable to make no written +communications of any parts or part of this letter, but from time to +time to press every argument contained in it in the course of +conversations with the Spanish Minister, except those drawn from the +guarantee. + +The Minister, however, did not at any time enter into the merits of +these arguments, nor appear in the least affected by them. His answer +to them all was, that the King of Spain must have the Gulf of Mexico +to himself, that the maxims of policy adopted in the management of +their colonies required it; and that he had hoped the friendly +disposition shown by this Court towards us would have induced a +compliance on the part of Congress. + +As to a free port below the northern limits of West Florida, or +anywhere else in the vicinity, the Minister sometimes wished certain +regulations, some middle line might be devised, to reconcile the views +of both parties, but he did not see how it could be done. The King had +always been accustomed to consider the exclusive navigation of the +Gulf of Mexico as a very important object to Spain, more so indeed +than even Gibraltar, and he was persuaded, that his Majesty would +never be prevailed upon to change his ideas on that subject. At other +times he spoke clearly, and decidedly against it, saying, that it was +their desire to exclude all nations from the Gulf, and that it made +little or no difference, whether they admitted all nations or only +one. + +In my letter of the 25th of April last, I informed your Excellency, +that on the 25th of March preceding, the Minister sent me word, that +the money necessary to pay the bills due in April could not be +advanced to me. The constant inconsistency I experienced between the +Minister's promises and conduct often surprised, as well as +embarrassed me. This last instance appeared to me to be really cruel; +for if he had intended to withhold the necessary supplies, he ought to +have given me notice of it, and not by keeping up my expectations to +within a few days before the holders of the bills were to call upon me +for their money, (and the bills of April amounted to eightynine +thousand and eightythree dollars,) reduce me to such imminent danger +of being obliged to protest them. Speaking on this subject with the +French Ambassador, he intimated, that the Court expected I should have +made them some further overtures respecting the Mississippi. I told +him I had no authority to make any others than what I had already +made. He replied, that the Minister believed I had. At that time I +had received no letters, public or private, which gave me the least +reason to suspect, that Congress had passed the resolution of the 15th +of February last,[31] and it was not before the 18th of May, that a +letter, I then received from Mr Lovell, enabled me to understand the +reason of the Minister's belief. I then recalled to mind his frequent +assurances of frankness, and of his speaking without reserve, often +adding, that he was well informed of our affairs, and had minute +information of what was passing at Philadelphia. There can be no doubt +but that some copies of the President's letters to me have fallen into +his hands, and that he supposed I had received others, though this was +not in fact the case. Hence it appears, that the double miscarriage, +if I may so call it, of these letters, had an unfavorable influence on +our hopes of pecuniary aids, for it is highly probable, that in this +instance they were so critically withheld on purpose to extort +overtures from me, which the Minister, though mistaken, had reason to +believe I was in a capacity to make. + +Your Excellency will perceive from this, how important it is, that +your letters, to and from your Ministers, be transmitted in a manner +not subject to these inconveniences. + +It was not, as I said before, until the 18th of May, that Mr Lovell's +letter, enclosing a copy of the resolution of Congress of the 15th of +February, reached me. It was brought to Cadiz by the Virginia, and it +is remarkable, that none of the journals, or gazettes, nor the letter +from Congress, which Mr Lovell gave me reason to expect, ever came to +my hands. But as all the papers brought by the Virginia passed through +the hands of the Governor of Cadiz, and afterwards through the Post +Office, the suppression of some of them may be easily accounted for. + +As Mr Lovell's letter did not appear to be official, nor the copy of +the instruction of the 15th of February authenticated, I was much at a +loss to determine how far it was to be considered as a measure finally +concluded upon, and this difficulty was increased by another, viz. +whether my having no letter on the subject from the President was to +be imputed to the miscarriage of it, or to a reconsideration of the +instruction in question; for I recollected, that resolutions had in +some former instances been reconsidered, and either altered or +repealed a few days after their date; for these reasons it appeared to +me imprudent immediately to hazard overtures on the ground of this +instruction. + +The next day, the 19th of May, I thought it expedient to wait upon the +Minister, and again renew the subject of our proposed treaty, +expecting that if he was acquainted with the contents of my letter, +something might drop from him in the course of conversation, which +would lead me to judge of what he might, or might not know on that +subject, and others connected with it. + +He received me with more than usual cordiality. The conversation +turned at first on the situation of the southern States, the late +combat between the fleets in the Chesapeake, and General Greene's +retreat. He appeared to apprehend much danger from what he called the +delicate situation of our army there, and the blockade of the +reinforcement intended for it, under the Marquis de la Fayette. I +endeavored to remove such of his fears as appeared to be ill-founded, +and (though without leaving room to suppose that the operations of +Spain were indispensable to our safety,) represented to him the good +policy and probable success of France and Spain's seriously turning +their attention and force to the expulsion of the enemy from America. +I then repeated what I had often before remarked to him, respecting +the influence which the hesitations and delays of Spain in forming a +treaty with us must naturally have on the hopes and fears of Britain. +I announced to him formally the completion of our confederation by the +accession of Maryland, and after dwelling on the advantages, which the +States and their allies might expect from it, I endeavored to impress +him with an opinion, that a cordial union between France, Spain, +Holland, and America, supported by vigorous measures, would soon +reduce the enemy to the necessity of listening to reasonable terms of +peace. + +The Count replied, generally, that he was very minutely informed of +the state of our affairs. That the good dispositions of Congress +towards Spain had not as yet been evinced in a manner the King +expected, and that no one advantage had hitherto been proposed by +America to Spain, to induce the latter to come into the measures we +desired. That the views of Congress were such as would not permit his +Majesty to form a treaty with the States, but that the King was an +honest man, and I might again and again assure Congress, that he would +never suffer them to be sacrificed to Britain, but on the contrary +would with constancy maintain the friendship he had professed for +them. That Britain had in vain attempted to deceive Spain; that Mr +Cumberland had been sent here for that express purpose, but that, +however possible it might be for Britain to vanquish, she would never +be able to deceive Spain; that he wished Congress had been more +disposed to oblige the King. He knew indeed that opposition in +sentiments must necessarily prevail in public bodies, but that he +hoped for the best. That I ought to preach to them forcibly, for that +he thought a good preacher (_un bon predicateur_,) would do much good, +thereby intimating, as I understood it, that Congress were not +sufficiently apprised of the importance of Spain, and the policy of +complying with her demands. + +To all this I briefly remarked, that his Excellency's knowledge of +American affairs must convince him, that it was not in their power to +give his Majesty other proofs of their attachment than what they had +already done, and that if he alluded to the affair of the Mississippi, +I could only add one remark to those which I had often made to him on +that head, viz. that even if a desire of gratifying his Majesty should +ever incline Congress to yield to him a point so essential to their +interest, yet it still remained a question whether new delays and +obstacles to a treaty would not arise to postpone it. + +The Count smiled, said he always spoke frankly, and that whenever I +should announce to him my having authority to yield that point, I +might depend on his being explicit, and candid, but as matters stood +at present, he could say nothing on that head. He then informed me, +that M. Gardoqui would set out for America the beginning of June. He +said it might be in my power to furnish some useful hints and +observations relative to the objects and conduct of his mission, +adding that he reposed full confidence in me, and wished that I would +also consider whether there were any particular reasons which might +render it advisable, either to hasten or retard his going. + +I suspected there was too much meaning in all this to admit of my +entering into these discussions without time for further reflection; +and, therefore, without seeming to avoid it, I told the Count I was +happy to hear, that M. Gardoqui was so near his departure. That I +considered myself much honored by his requesting my remarks relative +to it, and that I was sure Congress would draw agreeable conclusions +from his mission. That I should write by him to Congress, and as they +would expect to learn from me the precise character in which they were +to receive, and consider him, it became necessary, that his Excellency +should favor me with that information, as well to enable me to +transmit the proper advices to Congress, as to make the remarks which +he had done me the honor to request. That I conceived this to be the +more indispensable, because if M. Gardoqui should carry no public +testimonials from this Court to Congress, he could only be considered +by them as a private gentleman, and all his intercourse with Congress +would of consequence be subjected to all the inconveniences resulting +from it. + +This topic carried the conversation off the delicate ground to which +the Count had led it. He admitted the propriety of my being exactly +apprized of the nature of M. Gardoqui's commission, said that as yet +it was not decided, and therefore for the present could only give me +his opinion of what it would probably be. + +He observed that circumstances did not render it proper, that he +should go as Minister, though perhaps it might he proper to give him +contingent powers. That it was the common practice, where Courts sent +to each other persons charged with their affairs, in a character below +that of Minister, to give no other credentials than a letter of +advice from the Minister of the Court sending to the Minister of the +Court receiving the person in question. That the same practice was +about to be pursued by Spain towards Prussia, and had been observed in +other instances; therefore, he believed the like method would be +adopted in this case. That if it should be purposed to give M. +Gardoqui a letter authenticating his being an agent of Spain, it would +be either to the President, or the Secretary of Congress, and asked me +which of the two would be the most proper. + +Whether he really was uninformed on this point, or whether he asked +the question merely to try my candor, cannot easily be determined. I +told him honestly, that Congress had no Secretary or Minister of State +for general purposes, nor for foreign affairs particularly, and that +neither the President nor Secretary of Congress could regularly be +considered in that light. That there was a committee of Congress, +whose appointment came near to that of Secretary for foreign affairs, +but that I had heard Congress were about establishing a more proper +and regular mode of conducting the affairs committed to that +committee, and had perhaps already done it. That therefore it was +difficult for me to give his Excellency a clear and decided opinion on +the subject, and the more so as the letters which I daily expected to +receive from the President, and which probably contained exact +information relative to this very matter, had not yet come to my +hands. He seemed very well satisfied, and extended his civilities so +far as to say, that if at any time the warmth of his temper had led +him into any harshness of expression, he hoped I would forget it. I +told him, and that was the fact, that I did not recollect any part of +his behavior to me, which required that apology. He desired me to wait +upon him again on the Wednesday next. + +As to the instructions of the 15th of February, I had every reason to +wish it had been a secret to the Ministry. The propriety of them is a +subject without my province. To give decided opinions of the views and +designs of Courts always appeared to me hazardous, especially as they +often change, and as different men will often draw different +conclusions from the same facts. This consideration has constantly +induced me to state facts accurately and minutely to Congress, and +leave them to judge for themselves, and be influenced only by their +own opinions. + +I could not forbear, however, seeing the danger to which the proviso +contained in that instruction exposed me. I have no reason to flatter +myself, that, more fortunate than others, the propriety and policy of +my conduct will not be drawn, at least impliedly, into doubt. If I +should, on a persuasion that this cession would be unalterably +insisted upon by Spain, yield that point, I am certain that many +little half-created doubts and questions would be cast into, and +cultivated in America. If, on the other hand, I should be of opinion +that this point could be gained, and the event prove otherwise, it +would soon be whispered, what rich supplies and golden opportunities +the United States had lost by my obstinacy. + +I permitted my mind to dwell on these considerations, merely that I +might, by the utmost degree of circumspection, endeavor to render the +uprightness and propriety of my conduct as evident as possible. + +My only difficulty arose from this single question. Whether I could +prudently risk acting on a presumption, either that Spain did not +already, or would not soon be acquainted with the contents of this +instruction. If such a presumption had been admissible, I should, +without the least hesitation, have played the game a little further, +keeping this instruction in my hand as a trump card, to prevent a +separate peace between Spain and Britain, in case such an event should +otherwise prove inevitable. Had Spain been at peace with our enemies, +and offered to acknowledge, guaranty, and fight for our independence, +provided we would yield them this point, (as once seemed to be the +case) I should, for my own part, have no more hesitation about it now +than I had then. But Spain being now at war with Great Britain, to +gain her own objects, she doubtless will prosecute it full as +vigorously as if she fought for our objects. There was and is little +reason to suppose that such a cession would render her exertions more +vigorous, or her aids to us much more liberal. The effect, which an +alliance between Spain and America would have on Britain and other +nations, would certainly be in our favor, but whether more so than the +free navigation of the Mississippi is less certain. The cession of +this navigation will, in my opinion, render a future war with Spain +unavoidable, and I shall look upon my subscribing to the one as fixing +the certainty of the other. + +I say I should have played this game a little further, if the +presumption before mentioned had been admissible, because it has +uniformly been my opinion, that if after sending me here Congress had +constantly avoided all questions about the Mississippi, and appeared +to consider that point as irrevocable, Spain would have endeavored to +purchase it by money, or a free port, but as her hopes of a change in +the opinion of Congress were excited, and kept alive by successive +accounts of debates, and intended debates on that question, and as +Congress by drawing bills without previous funds had painted their +distress for want of money in very strong colors, Spain began to +consider America as a petitioner, and treated her accordingly. But as +by the intervention of Dr Franklin, our bills for near six months were +safe, and as after this resolution of the 15th of February, there was +reason to expect that the subject of it would not soon be resumed in +Congress, I should, in case I could have depended on this +instruction's being and remaining a secret, have thought it my duty to +have given the United States a fair trial for the Mississippi, or at +least for a free port near it. With this view I should have appeared +to give myself no concern about the bills, applied for no aids, made +no offers, and on all proper occasion have treated an alliance with +Spain as an event, which, though wished for by us, was not essential +to our safety, and as the price demanded for it appeared to us +unreasonable, it was not probable we should agree. I think we should +then have been courted in our turn, especially as the Minister was +very desirous of having our men-of-war on the stocks, and that thus +dealing with them on terms of equality, would have produced some +concessions on their part, as inducements to greater ones on ours. I +am persuaded in my own mind, that prudent self-respect is absolutely +necessary to those nations, who would wish to be treated properly by +this Court, and I have not the least doubt but that almost any spirit +will prosper more here, than that of humility and compliance. I had no +doubt but that this plan of conduct would have been perfectly +consistent with that part of the instruction, which orders me to make +every possible effort to obtain from his Catholic Majesty the use of +the river aforesaid, &c. For whatever might have been, or may be, my +private sentiments, they shall never in mere questions of policy +influence me to deviate from those of Congress. + +But on the other hand there being abundant circumstantial evidence to +induce a firm persuasion, that the Ministry were well acquainted with +the contents of this instruction, this plan would have been idle. The +moment they saw that the cession of this navigation was made to depend +upon their persevering to insist upon it, it became absurd to suppose, +that they would cease to persevere. All that remained for me therefore +to do was, in the next conference to break this subject as decently as +possible, and in such a manner as would account for my not having +mentioned this instruction at our last meeting. + +On Wednesday evening, the 23d of May, I waited upon the Count +agreeably to his appointment. The Count seemed a little hurried in his +spirits, and behaved as if he wished I had not come. He asked me +rather abruptly, if I had anything particular to communicate to him, +and whether I had received any further letters. I told him I had +received some private ones from L'Orient, but that none from the +President of Congress had as yet, reached me, though I had reason to +expect one by that opportunity, as well as by the vessel lately +arrived at Cadiz. I informed him of my having received from Mr +Harrison a copy of his memorial to the Governor of Cadiz, complaining +that letters brought for him by the Virginia, from Philadelphia, had +been stopped at the gates, on pretence, that they must agreeably to an +ordinance for that purpose be put into the post office, and charged +with the like postage as if brought from Spanish America. He said he +had not yet received a copy of the memorial, but that there was such +an ordinance, and that it was highly proper the admission of letters +into the kingdom, especially in time of war, should be under the +direction of government. That letters from North America rendered new +regulations necessary, and that he would turn his thoughts to this +subject, and do what should appear equitable. This was another proof +of what I before suspected, and looked like an indirect apology for +opening my letters. + +It surprised me a little that he said nothing of the remarks he had +desired me to make on M. Gardoqui's going to America, especially as he +had appointed this meeting for that purpose. To give him further time, +I started a new subject, and begged he would take the earliest +opportunity of completing the business of the Dover cutter. +Notwithstanding all that had before passed between us about this +affair, he affected to be very ignorant of it, and asked me a number +of questions. I recapitulated the circumstances of the capture, my +several applications to him on the subject, his promise finally to +order the prize to be appraised, and the value to be paid to the +captors, the arrival of one of them at Madrid, &c. &c. He replied, +with some degree of quickness and perplexity, that it was not a lawful +prize, the crew not having authority to do what they did; that he had +sent to the Canaries for particular information respecting the value, +&c. that two of the packet boats had been taken; that he would pay +some gratuity to the captors, and wished I would give him another +state of the whole case in writing, to refresh his memory, which I +promised to do, and have since done. + +He then resumed the subject of the letter, which I expected from +Congress. He expressed his regret at its not having arrived, said he +was preparing instructions for M. Gardoqui, who would certainly depart +in June, and that until I could give him precise information of the +dispositions of Congress, he could not enter into any further +conversations on the subject of the proposed treaty. I joined in +regretting the miscarriage of my public letter, and the more so, as my +private ones gave me reason to expect instructions, which would enable +me to comply so far with his Majesty's views, as that I hoped no +further delays would intervene to prevent a perfect union between +Spain and the United States. That my correspondence had given me to +understand that Congress viewed the speedy accomplishment of this +union as very important to the common cause; and, therefore, if Spain +would consent forthwith to come into it, in that case they would +gratify his Majesty by ceding to him the navigation of the +Mississippi, below their territories, on reasonable terms. + +He replied, that he earnestly desired to see all difficulties on this +point removed, but that the treaties subsisting between Spain and +other nations, as well as the particular policy and determination of +Spain, rendered it necessary that she should possess the exclusive +navigation of the Gulf of Mexico. After a variety of other remarks of +little importance, he made a very interesting observation, which will +help us to account for the delays of the Court, viz. That all these +affairs could with more facility be adjusted at a general peace than +now, for that such a particular, and even secret treaty with us might +then be made, as would be very convenient to both. That he +nevertheless wished to know exactly the views and intentions of +Congress, but that I must wait for the arrival of my letters, and that +he would in the meantime finish M. Gardoqui's instructions, whose +going to America, he did not doubt, would make a useful impression on +the English Court. I was beginning to reply to what he said when he +interrupted me, by mentioning his not having time at present to +prolong the conference. + +Throughout the whole of this conversation, the Count appeared much +less cordial than in the preceding one; he seemed to want +self-possession, and to that cause I ascribe his incautiously +mentioning the general peace as the most proper season for completing +our political connexions. I had, nevertheless, no reason to suspect +that this change in his behavior arose from any cause more important +than those variations in temper and feelings, which they, who are +unaccustomed to govern themselves often experience from changes in the +weather, in their health, from fatigue of business, or other such like +accidental causes. + +As I had not as yet received any letter from the President, either by +the Virginia, or the vessel lately arrived at L'Orient, nor by Colonel +Laurens, who, I was informed, had brought letters for me, I concluded +it would be most prudent to wait ten days, or a fortnight, before I +proceeded to act on the copy of my instruction received from Mr +Lovell, expecting that such other letters as might then have arrived +in France or Spain for me, would reach me in the course of that +interval, if at all. And I determined, in case I should receive none, +to proceed, without further loss of time, to make a formal overture to +the Minister for a treaty on the ground of this instruction. It +happened, however, that the Minister was so occupied during the +remaining time that the Court staid at Aranjues, by the expedition +preparing to sail from Cadiz, under the Duke of Crillon, and other +matters, that it was impossible to engage a moment of his attention to +American affairs. The removal of the Court to Madrid necessarily +consumed some time, and as soon as they were well settled there, I +wrote the Count the following letter; none of the letters expected +from America having come to my hands. + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + Madrid, July 2d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "When Congress were pleased to order me to Spain, with the + commission of which I have had the honor of presenting a copy + to your Excellency, I left my country with the most sanguine + expectations, that the important objects of it would be + speedily accomplished. The proofs they had received of his + Majesty's friendship for them, the interests of a common + cause, and the information they had received from persons + whom they conceived in capacity to give it, all conspired to + infuse these hopes. + + "On my arrival, your Excellency gave me to understand, that + the realising these expectations would turn on one point, and + I have uniformly since been informed, that this point was the + navigation of the Mississippi below the territories of the + United States, in which Congress desired to retain a common + right, but of which the maxims of policy adopted by his + Majesty required the exclusive use. + + "I have now the honor of informing your Excellency, that + Congress, in order to manifest in the most striking manner + the sincerity of their professions to his Majesty, and with a + view that the common cause may immediately reap all the + advantages naturally to be expected from a cordial and + permanent union between France, Spain, and the United States, + have authorised me to agree to such terms relative to the + point in question, as to remove the difficulties to which it + has hitherto given occasion. + + "Permit me, therefore, to hope, that his Majesty will now be + pleased to become the ally of the United States, and for that + purpose authorise some person or persons to adjust with me + the several points of compact necessary to form a union, + which, by being founded on mutual interest, may be no less + satisfactory than it certainly will be important to both + countries. + + "Your Excellency will oblige me exceedingly, by putting it in + my power to give Congress early, explicit, and, let me add, + agreeable information of his Majesty's pleasure and + intentions on the subject of this letter. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +Although it was sufficiently evident, that the Court of France could +not, for the reasons assigned in my letter to Congress, of the 6th of +November, 1780, openly and warmly interpose their good offices to +bring about this treaty, it nevertheless appeared to me most prudent, +to behave on this occasion towards the Ambassador, as if I knew +nothing of those reasons, and, therefore, sent him a copy of the +aforegoing letter to the Minister, enclosed in one of which the +following is a copy. + + TO THE COUNT DE MONTMORIN. + + "Madrid, July 2d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "I have the honor of transmitting to your Excellency herewith + enclosed, a copy of a letter I have this day written to his + Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca. I have thereby + informed him of my being authorised to remove the objections + hitherto made by the Court of Spain to a treaty of alliance + with the United States, and again requested that the + measures necessary for the purpose may now be taken. + + "Permit me to request, that the favorable interposition of + our kind and generous ally with his Catholic Majesty may be + exerted to commence the proposed negotiation, and bring it to + a speedy and happy conclusion. + + "The confidence justly reposed by America in the amity and + assurances of his Most Christian Majesty, forbid me to urge + this request by any arguments, (persuasives being indelicate, + when not warranted by doubts of inclination.) I am happy in + reflecting, that his instructions on this subject are + committed to the execution of a Minister, from whose + attachment, as well as from whose talents and address, the + American cause may expect to derive advantage. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +The instructions above alluded to are those, which Count de Vergennes, +in his letter to me of the 13th of March, 1780, assures me should be +sent to their Ambassador here. I must confess to Congress, that I very +much doubt his ever having received any other instructions, than +generally to favor the treaty, and to manage his interference in such +a delicate manner, as, without alarming the pride of Spain, to give +both parties reason to think themselves obliged. + +The French Ambassador sent me no answer to this letter, which, in my +opinion, gives a greater degree of probability to my conjectures. I +must, nevertheless, do him the justice to say that I have great reason +to believe him to be in sentiment, and with sincere attachment, a +friend to our cause; and that he considers the honor and interest of +France deeply concerned in the success and support of it. + +On the 11th of July, having received no answer from the Minister, I +waited upon him. He told me, he had received my letter, but that the +short time the Court would remain at Madrid, and the multiplicity of +business that he was obliged to despatch, would not admit of his +attending to our affairs till after the arrival of the Court at St +Ildefonso. He then informed me, that a vessel had arrived at Cadiz, +which had brought despatches for me, and that his courier had brought +them to Madrid. He then delivered me a number of letters, among which +was one from his Excellency the President, of the 28th of May +last.[32] + +I need not observe, that all these letters bore evident marks of +inspection, for that has uniformly been the case with almost every +letter I have received. + +I do not recollect to have ever received a letter that gave me more +real pleasure. When I considered, that almost the whole time since I +left America had afforded me little else than one continued series of +painful perplexities and embarrassments, many of which I neither +expected, nor ought to have met with; that I had been engaged in +intricate and difficult negotiations, often at a loss to determine +where the line of prudence was to be found, and constantly exposed by +my particular situation to the danger of either injuring the dignity +and interest of my country on the one hand, or trespassing on the +overrated respectability and importance of this Court, on the other; I +say, Sir, that on considering these things, the approbation of +Congress gave me most singular and cordial satisfaction. + +I was also happy to perceive from this letter, that the plan of my +late letters to the Minister and French Ambassador, of the 2d of July, +above recited, happens to correspond exactly with the views of +Congress, respecting the manner of conducting this negotiation. + +It appearing to me, that the communication I was directed to make to +this Court could not be better made than in the very words of this +letter, which seemed exceedingly well calculated for the purpose, I +recited them in a letter, which I wrote two days afterwards to the +Minister, viz. + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + Madrid, July 13th, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "I have now the honor of communicating to your Excellency a + copy of certain instructions I have just received from + Congress, dated the 28th of May, 1781, and which were + included in the despatches, which your Excellency was so + obliging as to deliver to me the evening before the last, + viz. + + "It is their instruction, that you continue to acknowledge on + all suitable occasions, the grateful impression made on these + States by the friendly disposition manifested towards them by + his Catholic Majesty, and particularly by the proofs given of + it in the measures which he has taken, and which it is hoped + he will further take for preserving their credit, and for + aiding them with a supply of clothing for their army. + + "You are also authorised and instructed to disavow in the + most positive and explicit terms, any secret understanding or + negotiation between the United States and Great Britain, to + assure his Catholic Majesty that such insinuations have no + other source than the insidious designs of the common enemy, + and that as the United States have the highest confidence in + the honor and good faith, both of his Most Christian and his + Catholic Majesty, so it is their inviolable determination to + take no step, which shall depart in the smallest degree from + their engagements with either.' + + "It gives me pleasure to observe that these instructions + confirm, in the fullest manner, the assurances and + professions I have heretofore made to your Excellency + respecting the sentiments and dispositions of the United + States, and I flatter myself that his Majesty will be pleased + to consider the assurances they contain, as receiving + unquestionable proofs of sincerity from the offer I have + already made to confirm them by deeds, no less important to + the interests than, I hope, consistent with the views and + desires of his Majesty. + + "I cannot omit this occasion of presenting my congratulations + on the success of his Majesty's arms at Pensacola. This event + cannot fail of being followed by important consequences to + the common cause, and may perhaps induce the enemy to expect + greater advantages from concluding a reasonable peace, than + continuing to protract an unrighteous war. + + "Having understood, shortly after receiving my letters from + your Excellency, that the Court had also received despatches + from Philadelphia, I presumed that the communication of any + gazettes from thence, which indeed contain all the + intelligence I have, would be useless, and therefore did not + send them; but on considering that it was possible that the + papers I had might be of later date than those which your + Excellency might otherwise receive, I now take the liberty of + enclosing two, which contain accounts somewhat interesting. + If they should be new to your Excellency, I beg that their + not being sooner sent will receive an apology from the + abovementioned circumstance; and that your Excellency will + remain assured of the perfect respect and consideration with + which I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +I also took the earliest opportunity of mentioning to the Ambassador +of France, that my letters from America gave me reason to believe that +our union was daily growing more warm and intimate, and that Congress, +in writing of their affairs here, had expressed themselves in the +strongest terms of attachment to his Most Christian Majesty, and not +only approved of my communicating freely and confidentially with his +Ambassador here, but also directed me in express terms to endeavor, in +the course of my negotiations, to include and promote the interests of +France. + +The Ambassador was much pleased. He told me his letters assured him +that the best understanding subsisted between the French and American +troops, and that much good might be expected from the increasing +harmony and intercourse between the two countries. + +The Court removed to St Ildefonso without the Minister's having either +given any instructions to M. Gardoqui, answered my abovementioned +letters, or taken the least notice of my late representations to them +about the Dover cutter, &c. + +The events of the campaign were as yet undecided, and little money in +the treasury. + +On the 21st of July the Minister wrote me the following note, in which +there was ample field left open for procrastination. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca presents his compliments to Mr + Jay, and has the honor of acquainting him, that he has duly + received his two letters of the 2d and 13th instant. The + short stay of the Court at Madrid allowing time only to + despatch the most pressing business, the Count de Florida + Blanca has not been able to take into consideration the + points, which form the object of the abovementioned letters. + He proposes therefore to do it at present, in order to render + an account thereof to the King, and in the meanwhile he has + the honor to repeat to Mr Jay the assurances of the most + perfect esteem and consideration. + + "_St Ildefonso, July 21st, 1781._" + +On the 4th of August, I arrived here. I did not see the Minister till +the 8th, he being, as I was told, from home. He had made no +communications to the King. He had been sick; he had been busy, and +was so still. I requested to be informed when it would be most +convenient to him to confer with me on the subject of my late letters, +and to give me such information relative to his Majesty's intentions, +as he might be prepared to communicate to me. He answered, that he +could not then fix a time, being exceedingly hurried by pressing +business. He asked how long I proposed to stay, I told him till the +Court removed. He then promised to take an early opportunity of +conferring with me on the subject of our affairs, and promised to send +me word when he should be ready to receive me. + +I remained in this state of suspense and expectation until the 18th of +August, when having been for a week past very much indisposed with a +fever and dysentery, and fearing lest that circumstance might become a +ground of delay, I wrote the Count word, "that my health would permit +me to wait upon his Excellency at any time and place he might do me +the honor to name." He replied two days afterwards, in a manner which +indicated his supposing I had gone to Madrid and had returned. He must +have known better, for none of my family had been absent from hence, +and one or other of them were almost daily about the palace and +gardens. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca is charmed to learn, that Mr Jay + has sufficiently recovered from his last indisposition to + make the journey from Madrid to this place, and thanks him + for his attention in communicating it to him. + + "The very pressing business with which he finds himself at + present surrounded does not permit him to fix the day for a + conference with Mr Jay, but the moment he shall be a little + disengaged, he will have the honor to advise Mr Jay of it. + + "_St Ildefonso, August 20th, 1781._" + +On the 22d I sent him a note enclosing a newspaper, which contained an +account of General Greene's operations, the capture of Fort Watson, +&c. + +The Count answered this note by another, expressing his thanks for the +intelligence, but not a word of a conference. + +On the 30th of August Major Franks arrived here with interesting +despatches, of which I must not here take notice, lest I interrupt +the thread of this letter, which I devote particularly to the affair +of our negotiations for a treaty. + +There was indeed among these despatches a very sensible letter from Mr +R. Morris to me about money matters,[33] &c. excellently well +calculated for being shown entire to the Minister. + +I consulted with the French Ambassador on the propriety of giving the +Minister a copy of it. He advised me to do it, and much commended the +letter. As it might have suffered from being carelessly translated, I +had it put into very good French. + +I was very glad to see the Major. The nature of the despatches he +brought being a secret occasioned speculation, and gave me an +opportunity of drawing further advantages from his arrival. His +accounts of American affairs were favorable to us, and the manner of +his behavior and conversation has not done discredit to himself, nor +prejudice to his country. + +The Ambassador of France having assured me that the Minister had +really been a good deal indisposed, I thought it would be best to +write him a letter in a style somewhat adapted to his situation. He +certainly appears to be fatigued, and worn down by business. He looks +as I have seen some members of Congress look, after two years' +attendance. + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + "St Ildefonso, September 3d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "When I consider that the delicate state of your Excellency's + health demands a greater degree of leisure and relaxation, + than the various business of your office will permit, it is + with great reluctance, that I can prevail upon myself to + remind your Excellency, that since our conference at + Aranjues, the affairs of the United States at this Court have + made no progress. + + "The short residence of his Majesty at Madrid, I am + persuaded, made it necessary to postpone the discussion of + these affairs to this place; and since my arrival here on the + 4th of August last, I have daily flattered myself with being + enabled to communicate to Congress his Majesty's pleasure on + the important subjects, which by their order I have had the + honor of laying before your Excellency. + + "It has also for some time past been my duty to have + requested your Excellency's attention to some other objects, + which, though of less public importance, are nevertheless + interesting to individuals, as well as to the commercial + intercourse of the two countries, but it did not appear to be + consistent with the respect due to your Excellency to solicit + your attention to new objects, while this former remained + undespatched for want of time. + + "It would give me great pleasure to have it in my power to + regulate all my applications by your Excellency's + convenience, and though I am happy to see the connexion + between our two countries daily increasing, yet as that + circumstance will naturally render necessary applications to + government more frequent, I fear the duties of my situation + will often press me to be troublesome to your Excellency. + + "On Friday evening last I received some important despatches + from Congress, which I shall do myself the honor of + communicating at any time, which your Excellency may be + pleased to name. The gentleman who brought them, will after + passing on to Paris, return immediately to Philadelphia, and + will with pleasure execute any orders which your Excellency + may honor him with, for either of those places. His stay here + will be but short. As soon as I can ascertain the day of his + departure, your Excellency shall have immediate notice of it. + As Congress will naturally expect to receive by him + particular information respecting their affairs here, I + cannot forbear expressing how anxious I am to make him the + bearer of welcome tidings; and permit me to hope, that your + Excellency's sensibility will suggest an apology for the + solicitude which appears in this letter. + + "I have the honor to be, with great respect, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On the 5th, I received the following answer, viz. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca has been much mortified not to + be able to receive the visit of Mr Jay, not only on account + of the too pressing business, which has engaged all his time, + but also by reason of the indisposition he has suffered, and + still suffers. + + "Although he be not in a situation to engage in long and + serious conferences for the reasons abovementioned, he will, + nevertheless, be charmed to converse a moment with Mr Jay, + one of those leisure evenings when there is no business with + the King; in which case, Mr Jay may, if he thinks proper, + bring with him the officer in question. + + "Saturday, for instance, towards eight o'clock, the interview + may take place." + + _Wednesday, the 5th of September._ + +Your Excellency will be pleased to observe, that the Minister in the +above note intimates a desire that I should bring Major Franks with +me. I thought it best to do so; but lest his presence should be a +check upon business, and as it was natural to suppose, that the Count +would begin by asking him questions about our affairs, I desired the +Major to relate to him the impression made in America by that article +in the capitulation of Pensacola, which permitted the garrison to go +to New York. I also desired the Major to retire into the ante-chamber +and leave me alone with the Minister, as soon as the latter should +appear to have finished with him. + +At the time appointed, viz. the evening of the 8th of September, we +waited upon the Minister. + +The Count received us very politely. He spoke much of his want of +health, and how greatly it incapacitated him for business. He then +asked the Major several questions about our military operations. The +Major answered them clearly, and, in speaking of the proposed siege of +New York, very naturally introduced an account of the surprise and +apprehensions occasioned by the permission given to the Pensacola +garrison to join that of New York. The Count confessed it was ill +done; said it was very unexpected, and that they ought to have been +sent to Europe; that the like should not happen in future, and that +proper orders upon that subject should be despatched to their +Generals. He then observed, that our fears were not altogether well +founded, for that those troops were restrained by the capitulation +from taking arms against the allies of Spain till exchanged, and could +not operate against our troops without also operating against those of +France, who were joined with them, and who, it was well known, were +the allies of Spain. The Major replied, that it was feared that the +enemy would attempt to evade this reasoning, by insisting that the +French troops in America were only to be considered as auxiliaries to +the United States, and that though that argument might be fallacious, +yet, that in matters affecting America, the enemy had invariably +neglected good faith, whenever they found it convenient. + +The Count asked how long the Major would stay here. I told him, that I +only detained him in expectation of being soon enabled by his +Excellency to write something decisive by him to Congress on the +subjects under his consideration. He said he hoped in the course of +next week to enter into serious conferences with me on those subjects, +and that he would give me notice of the day. He offered to give the +Major letters to the Spanish Ambassador at Paris, and to do him any +other services in his power. He then rose from his chair in a manner +indicating indisposition, said he was unable to do business, and that +M. Del Campo should inform me when it would be convenient for him that +I should see him again. I expressed my regret at his illness, and gave +him the French translation of Mr Morris's letter, adding, that I had +intended to offer him some remarks on the subject of it. He said he +would read it with pleasure. He spoke of Mr Morris's appointment, and +after conversing a few minutes about the good consequences expected +from it, and of the services done by that gentleman to Spain, in some +business they had committed to his care, we parted. + +Thus this conference ended as fruitless as the last. + +Eight days elapsed. I heard nothing from the Minister. He was daily at +Court, and every evening took his ride. + +I repeatedly mentioned and complained of these delays to the French +Ambassador. He regretted them, promised to speak to the Minister on +the subject; but, I believe, did not. I appeared much dissatisfied, +though not with him; and told him, that if Major Franks returned to +America with no other intelligence than that of repeated delays, it +was more than probable that Congress would be much hurt, as well as +much disappointed. He had the same fears, and advised me to detain the +Major. + +It became in my opinion important, that the Minister, as well as the +French Ambassador, should be seriously apprehensive of my dismissing +the Major with letters, that would render Congress very little +disposed to make sacrifices to this Court. The manner of doing this +required some caution. I could think of nothing better than to prepare +a letter to the Minister, and send the Ambassador a fair copy of my +draft for his consideration and advice. + +The following are copies of that letter, and of the one I sent with it +to the Ambassador. + + TO THE COUNT DE MONTMORIN. + + "St Ildefonso, September 16th, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "The paper herewith enclosed is the draft of a letter, which + I think of writing to his Excellency, the Count de Florida + Blanca. + + "The subject, as well as the occasion, demands that dexterous + and delicate management, of which they only are capable, who + possess an accurate judgment and much experience in affairs + of this kind. + + "I am happy, therefore, that on such occasions I can avoid + the risk of committing errors, by recurring to your friendly + advice. Without compliment, but with sincerity, + + I am, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + + TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA. + + "Whatever may be the issue of the American revolution, + whether that country shall continue independent, or be doomed + to reunite her power with that of Great Britain, the good + will and affection of the people of North America cannot in + either case be unimportant to their neighbors; nor will the + impressions made upon their minds by the benefits or + injuries, which they may receive from other nations in the + course of their present struggles, ever cease to have a + certain degree of influence on their future conduct. + + "Various circumstances led Congress at an early period to + suppose, that the Court of Spain had wisely and generously + determined to take a decided part in their favor. The + supplies granted to them by his Catholic Majesty, soon after + the British armies became numerous in America, spoke this + language in strong terms, and the assurances repeatedly given + me by your Excellency, that his Majesty would firmly support + their cause, and never consent to their being reduced to the + subjection of Britain, left no room to doubt of his friendly + disposition and intentions towards them. + + "Many obvious considerations prompted Congress to desire, + that an intimate connexion might speedily be established + between the two countries by such treaties as would take from + the enemy every prospect of success, and secure to Spain and + the United States the permanent enjoyment of mutual + advantages and reciprocal attachment. With this view Congress + were pleased to send me to Spain, and the first letter I had + the honor of receiving from your Excellency gave me reason to + believe, that the object of my mission was not displeasing + to his Majesty; unavoidable and long delays were, + nevertheless, created by differences respecting a certain + important right, which America wished to retain. So strong, + however, was the reliance of Congress on his Majesty's + assurances of support, and such was their disposition to + render the proposed treaties consistent with his + inclinations, that they have since agreed to remove the only + obstacle, which seemed to prevent his Majesty from realising + those assurances by substantial aids and an open declaration + of his intentions. + + "But unfortunately for America, and perhaps for the general + cause, the delays in question have not ceased with the cause + to which they were ascribed, and although the confidence + reposed by Congress in his Majesty's assurances will not + permit them to doubt of his determination to support their + independence, yet the silent inattention, with which their + offers to remove the former obstacle to a treaty have long + laid unanswered, must appear to them as being very singular. + Your Excellency has indeed repeatedly promised me to name a + time when I should have an opportunity of conferring with you + on that and other subjects submitted to your consideration, + but it constantly happened that the expectations excited by + these promises proved abortive. + + "Knowing that Congress would expect to receive by the return + of Major Franks particular information respecting their + affairs here, I was anxious to send them some intelligence + more welcome than I have reason to think a detail of delays + and procrastination would be, in a season when they would be + indulging the most flattering expectations from the measures + they had taken to gratify his Majesty. For this reason I + informed your Excellency, that I should detain Major Franks + for the present, and your Excellency promised me on the 8th + instant, that you would appoint some time in the ensuing week + for entering into a serious conference about these matters, + and that M. Del Campo should give me notice of it. That week, + however, has passed away without having been witness to any + such notice or conference. + + "I think your Excellency will do me the justice to + acknowledge that the utmost respect, delicacy, and patience, + have been observed in all my transactions with your + Excellency, and therefore I cannot forbear hinting that my + constituents are at least entitled to that species of + attention, which the most dignified sovereigns usually pay to + the friendly propositions of such States, as solicit either + their aid or alliance in a decent manner, viz. a candid + answer. + + "I am sensible that Spain possesses a higher degree on the + scale of national importance than the United States, and I + can readily admit, that the friendship of this Court is of + more immediate consequence to America, than that of America + to the Spanish empire. But as his Catholic Majesty and his + Ministers doubtless extend their views beyond the present + moment, it would ill become me to remark, how essential it is + to the happiness of neighboring nations, that their conduct + towards each other should be actuated by such passions and + sentiments only, as naturally tend to establish and + perpetuate harmony and good will between them. Most certain + it is, that in whatever manner the negotiations between Spain + and North America may terminate, various good or evil + consequences will in future naturally and necessarily flow + from it to both. + + "There is good reason to believe, that the apparent + indecision of Spain, relative to an open acknowledgment of + the independence of the United States, has inspired other + nations with doubts and conjectures unfavorable to the + American cause, and on the other hand, it is more than + probable that, if his Catholic Majesty would be pleased to + declare to the world, that the United States were his allies, + and that he had given his royal word to support their + independence, Holland and many other nations would follow his + example. + + "On such an event, also, it might not be difficult to form a + permanent alliance between France, Spain, the Dutch and the + United States, and thereby not only prevent a separate peace + between the Dutch and English, but effectually reduce the + latter to reasonable terms of general pacification. + + "The limits of a letter forbid my enlarging on these topics. + The eyes of America, and indeed of all Europe, are turned + towards Spain. It is in the power of his Catholic Majesty to + increase his friends and humble his enemies. I will only add + my most sincere wishes, that the annals of America may inform + succeeding generations, that the wisdom, constancy, and + generous protection of his Catholic Majesty, Charles the + Third, and of his Minister, the Count de Florida Blanca, are + to be ranked among the causes that insured success to a + revolution, which posterity will consider as one of the most + important and interesting events in modern history. + + JOHN JAY." + +The Ambassador called upon me in the evening to answer my letter. + +He observed, that the delays of which I complained were not singular, +but that others, and even himself, experienced the like. That he had +reason to believe this Court were really disposed to treat with us, +though the time when might be doubtful. That the remarks made in the +draft of my intended letter were but too just; that he feared they +would give offence; that at any rate, he thought I had better postpone +it, and for the present write one less pointed, and more laconic. We +had much conversation on the subject, unnecessary to repeat. It ended +in my consenting to pursue his advice. + +It is observable, that he did not offer to return me the draft of this +letter, though I had agreed to suppress it. + +The letter which, agreeable to the Ambassador's advice, I substituted +in the place of the other, is in these words, viz. + + St Ildefonso, September 17th, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "A reluctance to despatch Major Franks without transmitting + by him to Congress the information they expect to receive, on + the subject I have had the honor of submitting to your + Excellency's consideration, has induced me hitherto to detain + him, especially as I was encouraged to hope that your + Excellency would have found leisure last week for entering + into serious conference with me on those important points. + The same reluctance prevails upon me to detain him another + week, and I think it my duty to inform your Excellency that + he will set out on Saturday next. + + "I need not remark to your Excellency, that if the letter I + may then write by him should not contain the desired + intelligence, Congress will naturally be led to apprehend + that their expectations of forming an intimate union with + Spain were not well founded. + + "I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +On the 19th, I received the following answer. + + Translation. + + "The Count de Florida Blanca would have been charmed to have + had it in his power to have a long conference with Mr Jay, if + his ordinary indispositions had not prevented him; he will, + therefore, have the honor to see him this evening about eight + o'clock, if Mr Jay will give himself the trouble of waiting + on him, either alone or with Major Franks, and in + communicating to the King the result of their conference, he + will endeavor to prevail on his Majesty to name some other + person to confer with Mr Jay in case of need, in order to + avoid, as much as possible, the embarrassments which Mr Jay + has hitherto experienced. + + _Wednesday, 19th of September, 1781._" + +I waited upon the Count at the time appointed. The following is a copy +of my notes of that conference. + + _Notes of a Conference held at St Ildefonso, on Wednesday + Evening, the 19th of September, 1781, between his + Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca, and Mr Jay, + agreeably to the appointment of the former._ + +The Count introduced the conference by asking for Major Franks, and +why Mr Jay did not bring him with him. Mr Jay answered, that as Major +Franks was not charged with the transaction of any business with his +Excellency, and had, at a former interview, answered such questions +relative to American affairs as the Count had thought proper to ask +him, Mr Jay did not think his attendance on this occasion necessary, +as he supposed his Excellency meant to enter at present into the +discussion of the matters referred to in Mr Jay's last letter. + +The Count then proceeded to enumerate the various obstacles arising +from his ill health, the multiplicity of business, which had so long +subjected Mr Jay to the delays he had hitherto experienced, and which, +for his part, he could not but regret; that agreeable to his promise +made to Mr Jay soon after his arrival, and frequently afterwards +repeated, he had attempted to commit to paper his sentiments on the +various points on which the proposed treaties must turn, and although +he had made some progress in it, he had, for the reasons +abovementioned, been obliged to leave it imperfect; that daily +experience convinced him that his official business was too extensive +and various to admit of his application to other objects, especially +as his indisposition often rendered it impracticable for him to pay a +due attention to it; that he, therefore, conceived it necessary that +some person, duly authorised to confer with Mr Jay on these subjects, +should be appointed by his Majesty; that he intended on Sunday next to +recommend this measure to the King, to whom he would at the same time +communicate the copy of Mr Morris's letter to Mr Jay, which the latter +had given him; that in order to the putting of this matter in proper +train, it would be expedient for Mr Jay previously to commit to paper +his ideas of the outlines of the proposed treaties, and particularly +to state the propositions he might think proper to make relative +thereto; that he had been informed, that the treaties between France +and America had been preceded by the like measures; for that the +American Commissioners had first offered a plan of propositions, and +then M. Gerard was appointed to confer with them before those treaties +were drawn into the state they now appear, and finally concluded. That +the like proceedings were rendered particularly necessary in this +case, by the variety and importance of the points necessary to be +adjusted between Spain and America; that in forming political +connexions between nations, constant regard must be had to their +reciprocal interests, and care taken, by previous arrangements, to +avoid the inconveniences which would result from any clashing of +interest; that three great points presented themselves, as requiring +great attention, in forming the proposed connexion between Spain and +America. + +1st. The aids requested by America, as stated in Mr Morris's letter, +were very considerable; that it would be necessary, on the part of +Spain to determine what pecuniary aids it might be in their power to +grant either by loan or subsidy, as well as the time, place, and +manner of payment; for that great punctuality was requisite in such +transactions, as well that the royal engagements might be properly +fulfilled, as that Congress might not be subjected to inconveniences +and disappointments; that on the part of America, it must be +ascertained what compensation they should make, as well as the time +and manner of doing it; and that it might be well to consider how far +such compensation might be made in ship timber, or other productions +of that country; that a compensation would be indispensable, for that +the King, being only the guardian of his dominions, would not think +himself justifiable in dispensing with the just rights of his people. + +2dly. That the commercial concerns of the two countries was another +point, which would call for very accurate and important regulations. +That so far as this commerce would respect the United States and old +Spain, the difficulty would not be very great; for that such commerce +being in a considerable degree permitted to other nations, America +ought also to participate in the benefits of it. But with respect to +the Spanish dominions in America, as all other nations were excluded +from any direct commerce with any part of them, the United States +could not reasonably expect to be on a better footing than other +nations, and particularly the French, who were the near allies of +Spain. + +3dly. That with respect to the proposed treaty of alliance, Mr Jay +must be sensible, that the several engagements, which would thereby be +rendered necessary between the parties, the matters of boundary, and +the navigation of the Mississippi, would give occasion to several +important articles, which ought to be maturely considered and well +digested. To this end, he wished that Mr Jay would immediately turn +his thoughts on these subjects, and offer him such a set of +propositions, as might become the basis of future conferences between +him and the person whom he expected his Majesty would appoint. + +The Count then took occasion to observe, that he had long wished Mr +Jay had offered him such propositions, but that his Court had as yet +received from Congress nothing but good words and fair assurances, and +that though his Majesty had given them some little aids, yet they had +discovered no disposition, by acts, to acknowledge them. Mr Jay +reminded his Excellency of his having, at a very early day, undertaken +to commit to paper the outlines of the proposed treaties, and that the +constant expectations of his perfecting it, had restrained Mr Jay from +offering anything of the like nature on the subject. That he could +conceive of nothing in the power of Congress to do, which could more +fully evidence their disposition to gratify his Majesty, than their +having offered to recede from their claims to the navigation of the +Mississippi, though the preservation of it was deemed of the highest +importance to their constituents. The Count admitted the propriety of +both these observations, and said he hoped that the delays, which had +so long embarrassed Mr Jay, would soon be terminated. + +Mr Jay expressed his anxiety to be enabled to communicate to Congress +some decided intelligence, respecting the aids they might expect from +this Court; to which the Count replied, that the sum requested was +great, the expenses of the kingdom very extensive, and the means of +obtaining the sums necessary to defray them subject to many +difficulties; that he would, as he had before mentioned, communicate +Mr Morris's letter to the King, and, until that was done, he could not +be in capacity to say anything further on the subject; that as the +appointment of a person to confer with Mr Jay would rest with his +Majesty, he could not say who in particular it would be, but he hoped, +and was persuaded that it would be some person well-intentioned +towards America; that he was the more confirmed in this expectation, +from the friendly disposition, which the King had early and constantly +manifested towards that country; that he would again repeat what he +had before told Mr Jay, viz. that the King, when acting in capacity of +mediator for a peace, had refused to permit that country to be +sacrificed; that since the rupture with Britain, tempting and +advantageous offers had been made to him to withdraw his protection +from America, and conclude a separate peace; that he had rejected +these offers, and still continued determined to support the States; +that this conduct ought to be viewed as extremely generous, as no +political connexions or engagements did then, or do as yet subsist +between the two countries. Mr Jay assured his Excellency that the +magnanimity of this conduct had made a deep impression on the people +of America; that nothing but want of opportunity would ever prevent +their expressing it more strongly than by words, and that the sense +they entertained of it, had greatly influenced the late measure they +had taken to comply with his Majesty's desires. The Count then pressed +Mr Jay again to send him the paper above mentioned before Sunday, +adding that he sincerely wished nothing might be wanted to put the +business in a proper train; that for his part, he had the best +disposition towards America, as well as personal regard for Mr Jay, +and, after adding some complimentary expressions relative to the +character of the latter, he concluded. + +I was a little surprised that the Count should expect to receive from +me, in the course of three days, formal propositions on the several +points stated in this conference. But it would not have been proper +for me to desire further time. + +On the 22d of September, I sent him the following letter and +propositions. + + "St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781. + + "Sir, + + "I have the honor of transmitting, herewith enclosed, the + propositions requested by your Excellency on Wednesday + evening last. + + "I have endeavored to render them as short and simple as + possible, and I flatter myself that the unreserved frankness + with which they are written will be no less agreeable to your + Excellency, than I am sure it is consistent with the desire + and disposition of my constituents. + + "As the issue of this measure will in a great degree + ascertain the expectations which Congress entertain from + their negotiations here, and as they flatter themselves with + receiving information on this subject by the return of Major + Franks, they will doubtless excuse my detaining him another + week, unless your Excellency should sooner be enabled to + communicate to me his Majesty's pleasure relative to the + proposed treaty. + + "Permit me to entreat your Excellency, therefore, to enable + me to transmit by him such intelligence to Congress, as may + relieve them from their present distressing doubts and + uncertainties. + + "I sincerely hope it may be such as may make them happy in a + prospect of soon seeing an intimate and lasting union + established between France, Spain, and the United States, a + union which, by being raised on the solid foundation of + mutual interest and reciprocal advantages, may secure to each + the blessings of uninterrupted tranquillity. This generous + policy pervades the treaties already formed between his Most + Christian Majesty and the United States, and I am happy in + being persuaded, that the magnanimity of his Catholic + Majesty's conduct towards my country, on this and other + occasions, will furnish materials for some bright pages in + the American annals. + + "I have the honor to be, Sir, &c. + + JOHN JAY." + +Here follow the propositions alluded to, and sent enclosed in the +preceding letter. + + "St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781. + + "As the time allowed Mr Jay for offering such propositions, + as may become the basis of the proposed treaty between his + Catholic Majesty and the United States of North America, is + very short, he should fear the consequences of haste and + inaccuracy, if he were not persuaded that the candor, with + which they will be received, will secure him from the + inconveniences to which these circumstances might otherwise + expose him. + + "Mr Jay presumes that it is not expected he should offer a + plan of a treaty drawn at length, but only general + propositions, which may be so modified and enlarged, as on + due consideration and discussion may appear expedient. With + this view, he begs leave to present the following as the + basis of a treaty of amity and alliance, viz. + + + PROPOSITIONS. + + I. + + "There shall forever subsist an inviolable and universal + peace and friendship between his Catholic Majesty and the + United States, and the subjects and citizens of both. + + II. + + "That every privilege, exemption, and favor, with respect to + commerce, navigation, and personal rights, which now are, or + hereafter may be granted, by either, to any the most favored + nation, be also granted by them to each other. + + III. + + "That they mutually extend to the vessels, merchants, and + inhabitants of each other, all that protection, which is + usual and proper between friendly and allied nations. + + IV. + + "That the vessels, merchants, or other subjects of his + Catholic Majesty, and the United States, shall not resort to, + or be permitted (except in cases which humanity allows to + distress,) to enter into any of those ports or dominions of + the other, from which the most favored nation shall be + excluded. + + V. + + "That the following commerce be prohibited, and declared + contraband between the subjects of his Catholic Majesty and + the United States, viz. + + "All such as his Catholic Majesty may think proper to + specify. + + REMARKS. "On this proposition Mr Jay can offer nothing, but + an assurance of his being ready to concur in every reasonable + regulation that may be proposed. + + VI. + + "The United States shall relinquish to his Catholic Majesty, + and in future forbear to use, or attempt to use, the + navigation of the river Mississippi from the thirtyfirst + degree of north latitude, that is, from the point where it + leaves the United States, down to the ocean. + + REMARKS. "The impression made upon the United States by the + magnanimity of his Majesty's conduct towards them; the + assistance they hope to receive from the further exertions of + the same magnanimity; the deep wound which an alliance with + so great a monarch would give to the hopes and efforts of the + enemy; the strong support it would afford to their + independence; the favorable influence which the example of + such a King would have on other nations, and the many other + great and extensive good consequences which would result at + this interesting period from his Majesty's taking so noble + and decided a part in their favor, have all conspired in + prevailing upon Congress to offer to relinquish in his favor, + the enjoyment of this territorial and national privilege, the + importance of which, to their constituents, can only be + estimated by the value they set upon his Majesty's + friendship. + + "By this proposition, the United States offer to forego all + the advantages and conveniences, which nature has given to + the country bordering on the upper parts of that river, by + ceasing to export their own, and receiving in return the + commodities of other countries by that only channel, thereby + greatly reducing the value of that country, retarding its + settlement, and diminishing the benefits which the United + States would reap from its cultivation. + + "Mr Jay thinks it his duty frankly to confess, that the + difficulty of reconciling this measure to the feelings of + their constituents, has appeared to Congress in a serious + light, and they now expect to do it, only by placing in the + opposite scale the gratitude due to his Catholic Majesty, and + the great and various advantages, which the United States + will derive from the acknowledgment and generous support of + their independence by the Spanish monarchy, at a time when + the vicissitudes, dangers, and difficulties of a distressing + war, with a powerful, obstinate, and vindictive nation, + renders the friendship and avowed protection of his Catholic + Majesty in a very particular manner interesting to them. The + offer of this proposition, therefore, being dictated by these + expectations and this combination of circumstances, must + necessarily be limited by the duration of them, and + consequently, that if the acceptance of it should, together + with the proposed alliance, be postponed to a general peace, + the United States will cease to consider themselves bound by + any propositions, or offers, which he may now make in their + behalf. + + "Nor can Mr Jay omit mentioning the hopes and expectations of + Congress, that his Majesty's generosity and greatness of + mind will prompt him to alleviate, as much as possible, the + disadvantages to which this proposition subjects the United + States, by either granting them a free port, under certain + restrictions, in the vicinity, or by such other marks of his + liberality and justice, as may give him additional claims to + the affection and attachment of the United States. + + VII. + + "That his Catholic Majesty shall guaranty to the United + States all their respective territories. + + VIII. + + "That the United States shall guaranty to his Catholic + Majesty all his dominions in North America. + + Lastly. + + "As the aforegoing propositions appear to Mr Jay the most + essential, he omits proposing those less and subordinate + ones, which seem to follow of course. He therefore concludes + this subject with a general offer and propositions to make + and admit all such articles as, in the course of this + negotiation, shall appear conducive to the great objects of + the proposed treaty. + + REMARKS. "Nothing on Mr Jay's part shall be wanting to + expedite the happy conclusion of this business, by adhering + constantly to the dictates of candor, frankness, and + unsuspecting confidence. + + "He is ready to receive the treaty between the United States + and his Christian Majesty, as a model for this, or with such + alterations as, founded on the principles of reciprocity, may + be more agreeable to his Catholic Majesty, it being his + earnest desire to arrive at the important objects of his + mission in any way his Majesty may be pleased to prefer. + + "The subject of aids, either by subsidy or loan as may be + most convenient to his Majesty, will require a particular + convention, but as the manner, extent, and terms depend on + his Majesty's pleasure, it is impossible for Mr Jay, without + some knowledge of it, to offer propositions adapted thereto. + All that he can at present say on that subject is, that + Congress are ready to do everything in their power. He will + not, however, endeavor to conceal their incapacity to do much + in the way of compensation, while the enemy shall continue to + make the United States the theatre of a desolating war, and + the object of their predatory operations. But when those + obstacles shall cease, it will be in their power, as well as + their inclination, to make retribution, and render important + services to his Majesty. Mr Jay will therefore continue to + decline attempting to induce his Majesty to take any + measures, however favorable to his country, by delusive + promises, or rash engagements; but on the other hand, he is + ready to enter into such reasonable ones, as he may have good + reason to say shall be faithfully and punctually performed. + + "A particular treaty regulating the conduct to be observed by + his Catholic Majesty, and the United States, towards each + other during the war, also appears to Mr Jay important to + both; but as the proper plans and articles of such a treaty + can only result from a free conference on the subject, he can + upon this occasion only express his readiness to concur in + every provision, which may be calculated to give energy and + success to the operations and objects of both. + + JOHN JAY." + +Your Excellency will be pleased to observe, that among my remarks on +the sixth proposition, I have limited the duration of the offer +contained in it. I did this from a persuasion, that such limitation +was not only just and reasonable in itself, but absolutely necessary +to prevent this Court's continuing to delay a treaty to a general +peace. Besides what the Minister dropped upon this head in his +conference with me at Aranjues, I think it probable that they still +wish to adhere to that idea. To me they appear desirous of avoiding +the expense that the aids, which a treaty we should expect would +render unavoidable, and which at present would not be very convenient +for them. They wish to see our independence established, and yet not +be among the first to subscribe a precedent, that may one day be +turned against them. They wish not to exclude themselves, by any +present engagements, from taking advantage of the chances and events +of the war, not choosing on the one hand, that in case we sink, that +we should be fastened to them by any particular ties, nor on the other +hand, in case we survive the storm, to be so circumstanced as not to +make the most of us. I think it is their design, therefore, to draw +from us all such concessions as our present distress, and the hopes of +aid may extort, and by protracting negotiations about the treaty, +endeavor to avail themselves of these concessions at a future day, +when our inducements to offer them shall have ceased. As this would +evidently be unjust, I think the limitation in question can give them +no offence, and I hope Congress will be pleased to communicate to me +their sentiments on the subject. + +I must also remark, that after what has passed, and considering how +well they are acquainted with my instructions, it would not only have +been useless, but absurd, to have made these propositions otherwise +than agreeably to those instructions. + +Congress may at first view be a little surprised at the extent of the +fifth proposition, but when they compare it with the second, I am +persuaded they will find it sufficiently restrained. + +In forming these propositions, it was my determination to leave them +so free from disputed, or disputable points, as that no plausible +pretexts for delay should arise from the face of them. I am well +apprised, nevertheless, that in the course of the negotiation, it will +be impossible for me to prevent their practising as much +procrastination as they may find convenient. Almost the only hope I +have of their seriously doing business arises from their fearing, that +the instruction respecting the Mississippi will be recalled the moment +that either any very decided successes on our part in America may +render a treaty with Spain of less importance to us, or a general +treaty of peace give us different views and prospects. + +These are my conjectures and opinions. Perhaps they may prove +erroneous; as facts accompany them, Congress will be enabled to judge +for themselves. I will add, that from everything I can hear, the King +is honestly disposed to do us good, and were he alone to be consulted +in this business, I believe it would soon be concluded. + +On the 23d of September, the foregoing propositions were to be laid +before the King. I heard nothing further from the Minister until the +27th, when he sent me the following note. + + Translation. + + "Although the last letter of Mr Jay, accompanied with a + certain plan, was transmitted on Saturday in the evening to + the Count de Florida Blanca, and although he could not inform + himself of their contents until translated from the English, + he nevertheless did not fail to render an account thereof to + the King in his despatch of Sunday. His Majesty having then + shown himself disposed to appoint some person to confer with + Mr Jay, it is become necessary to prepare a suitable + instruction, and present it to the King for his approbation. + The Count de Florida Blanca flatters himself, that he shall + be able to arrange this affair before the departure of the + Count for the Escurial, and in the meanwhile, he has the + honor to transmit to Mr Jay a passport for Major Franks. + + "_Thursday, September 27th, 1781._" + +I have been given to understand, though not officially, that M. Del +Campo, the Minister's Secretary, is the person who will be appointed +to confer with me, and though that gentleman is constantly about the +Minister, yet it seems, that a set of formal instructions are to be +prepared for him. When the Minister will be able to find either time +or health to complete them is uncertain. + +There is reason to believe, that still less progress would have been +made in this affair, had Major Franks not have arrived. I regret his +detention, but hope the reasons assigned for it will be deemed +sufficient; I am perfectly satisfied with him. + +Notwithstanding Congress had given me reason to expect, that the plan +of drawing bills upon me had been laid aside, I have now bills to the +amount of between seventy and eighty thousand dollars to pay, and no +funds provided. What am I to do? Dr Franklin writes me, that so far from +being able to give me further aids, he does not expect to have it in +his power even to pay our salaries in future. + +From the facts stated in this letter, Congress will perceive that this +Court neither refuse nor promise to afford us further aid. Delay is +their system; when it will cease I cannot conjecture, for that is a +question which I doubt whether they themselves have as yet determined. + +I am indebted largely to Mr Harrison for money advanced by him to +distressed seamen. He ought to be paid, and it is so far from being in +my power to do it, that I have been reduced to the mortifying +necessity of desiring him for the present to hold his hand. A great +many of this valuable class of people are confined in English gaols, +without other means of obtaining their enlargement than by entering +into the enemy's service. They complain bitterly of being neglected by +their country, and I really think not without reason. Retaliation +ought to be practised, and if we have not a sufficient number of +marine officers and seamen in our power to make the objects of it, why +would it be improper to substitute landsmen? + +As to Portugal, I have more than once spoken to the Minister on the +subject. He admits the justice of our being treated by that as by +other neutral nations. He has promised to interfere in our behalf, but +nothing efficacious has yet been done. To send an agent there, could +do no harm, and might do good; I am therefore for it. The Ambassador +of France thinks with me, that before that step is taken, it ought to +be confidentially communicated to this Court, and I am persuaded +difficulties will arise from it. I shall do my best. + +M. Gardoqui's departure is uncertain. He is still attending the orders +of the Court. I doubt his receiving them till the campaign closes, and +perhaps not then. + +I do not despair of seeing some good result, finally, from all this +complication of political solecisms. It would not surprise me if we +should in the end be the gainers by them. My greatest fears are about +the fate of the bills. If protested, for want of payment, they will +become the source of much evil. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + +_P. S._ I have this instant received a letter from Commodore Gillon, +dated at Corunna, the 28th of September, and one from Colonel Searle +of the 26th of September. I herewith enclose copies of them. Their +contents are interesting. J. J. + + +FOOTNOTES: + +[30] See these letters at large in the _Secret Journal of Congress_, +Vol. II. pp. 323, 326. The latter was drawn up by Mr Madison. + +[31] Secret Journal of Congress, Vol. II. p. 393. + +[32] Secret Journal of Congress, Vol. II. p. 404. + +[33] See this letter above, p. 449. + + * * * * * + + TO THE PRESIDENT OF CONGRESS. + + Madrid, October 18th, 1781. + + Sir, + +Major Franks delivered me the despatches committed to his care on the +30th of August. He set out for France the 5th instant. My letters by +him to your Excellency will account for his remaining here so long. I +also beg leave to refer to them for other more interesting +particulars. + +Congress will doubtless be informed that I have refused to accept some +of their bills. As the enemies of America in Europe had, with some +success, endeavored to render the credit of our paper suspected, it +appeared to me expedient to state the reasons for these refusals very +particularly, and I caused them to be recited at large in the +protests. I have sent copies of them to Dr Franklin and Mr Adams, +that in case these transactions should be represented to our +disadvantage, either in France or Holland, they might be enabled to +set the matter right. I now send copies to Congress, to prevent their +being alarmed at any general report that may arrive in America, of my +having refused to accept their bills drawn upon me. + +Our merchants would, in my opinion, do well to write their +endorsements on bills at length, and in their own hand writing. There +is reason to believe that the enemy often turn blank endorsements to +good account. + +M. Gardoqui is here. Those ships of the Spanish flotilla, which +carried the treasure, are arrived at Cadiz. Trenches are not yet +opened against Fort St Philip at Minorca. Another expedition is +preparing at Cadiz; its destination is uncertain. + +I have the honor to be, &c. + + JOHN JAY. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, November 1st, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +Your letter to Congress of April last having been read and answered by +them, though not so minutely as I would wish, I forbear making any +remarks upon it, because I am not yet perfectly acquainted with their +sentiments, (and would not wish any which might interfere with them) +having just entered upon the office, in consequence of which I open +this correspondence, though long since appointed. I beg of you, +agreeably to the directions of Congress, to address in future your +public letters to me, and to notify the Count de Florida Blanca of +this alteration in our system, our unacknowledged situation rendering +it improper to do it formally. + +Congress have at length completed the organization of their executive +departments, by the choice of General Lincoln for their Secretary at +War. It is expected that order and system will arise out of this mode +of doing business, and the strictest economy. + +If the great powers of Europe, with every advantage that settled +governments enjoy, feel themselves under the necessity of making +foreign loans, can it be expected that a war of six years, in the +heart of our country, should not have abridged the resources of a +State, which had every necessary for their army to import; which never +manufactured for itself; which had no marine; and which, with a number +of internal enemies in their bosom, had civil governments to +establish? Perhaps it would be impossible to offer a better picture of +the resources of this country, and the stability of her funds when +they shall be well managed, than by comparing our present debt with +the duration of the war and the exertions we have made. For though our +enemies may allege, that our debt was relieved by the depreciation of +our bills, yet it must be remembered, that that very depreciation was +a tax, though an unequal one, borne by the people of these States, and +as it has not produced national ruin, it must follow, that the States +had sufficient resources to bear this burthen. These resources, though +lessened, still remain. + +The only object for which Britain continues the war, is the recovery +of this country. What better plan of finance then can be adopted by +France or Spain, than by timely aids of ships and money to blast this +hope, and by a speedy peace to terminate their expenses? If, on the +contrary, they wish to linger out the war till Britain is more +exhausted, this country affords them the easiest means of doing it. + +Armies may be maintained here for one third of the expense that +Britain lays out upon hers. This France has experienced. Though her +affairs were not perhaps managed with the strictest economy, though +her bills were extremely low, her supplies cost at least one third +less than the British paid at New York, without taking into account +the hire of transports, the seamen employed, paid, and fed in that +service, and the number of them that fell into our hands. Be persuaded +yourself, and endeavor to persuade others, that if this is a war of +finance, which all modern wars are, Britain is most vulnerable in +America. + +I congratulate you upon the important success of our aims in South +Carolina and Virginia, of which I enclose you official accounts. On +the returns you will remark a number of British American nominal +regiments. These were recruiting in Virginia and North Carolina, and +their success will show the truth of what Britain advances with +respect to the number of her partisans in America. I will venture to +say, that with similar advantages, their recruiting parties would have +been more successful in any country in Europe. Besides the troops +mentioned in the returns, the enemy lost during the siege near two +thousand negroes. Previous to the surrender, they had a naval +engagement with the Count de Grasse. The Terrible, a British +seventyfour, was burnt, so that our affairs here stand upon the most +respectable footing imaginable.--[Upwards of thirty lines follow +interspersed with a cypher, the key to which is not to be found.] + +But this is a delicate subject, and I quit it till I am more fully +acquainted with the views of Congress thereon, for I confess to you, +that the sentiments I have hazarded are rather my own, than any that I +know to be theirs, and should weigh accordingly with you. The +provision trade with the Havana being very considerable and important +to Spain, while she has fleets and armies to maintain there, it might +be proper to suggest to the Spanish Ministry the advantage of allowing +small convoys of frigates, which would enable us to carry it on in +vessels of greater burden, and by that means diminish the expense of +freight and insurance, both of which, eventually, fall upon Spain. A +few frigates would answer the purpose, as the stations of the enemy's +ships are almost always known on this coast, and, indeed, they seldom +have any out but frigates cruising singly. + +Another thought strikes me, which, perhaps, if digested, might be +ripened into a plan advantageous to France, Spain, and America. While +France keeps an army here, she must draw bills, or export money. She +has, for the most part, preferred the former, at the loss of forty per +cent discount. The money of Spain is lodged at the Havana, and cannot +be brought to Europe without great hazard; whereas the risk of sending +it here under convoy is extremely small. It may be vested in European +bills to such advantage, as to pay the whole expense of +transportation, and even an interest, till the bills are negotiated in +Europe. This plan affords France a market for her bills, Spain a cheap +and easy way of bringing her money home, and America a circulating +medium, which enables her to tax with advantage. + +The enclosed act of Congress informs you of the appointment of Mr +Hanson, of Maryland, to the Presidentship. + +I shall write very frequently to you, and shall in return expect that +you will omit no opportunity of letting me hear from you. A Court +kalendar, if one is printed with you, with notes of your own thereon, +might be of some service to us. I shall use our private cypher, as +corrected by that sent by Mr Toscan, till you receive the one +transmitted by Mr Thomson, in which case, as it is less troublesome, +be pleased to use that, if you are sure it came safe. + +I am, dear Sir, with the sincerest regard and esteem, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + * * * * * + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON TO JOHN JAY. + + Philadelphia, November 28th, 1781. + + Dear Sir, + +I wrote so fully to you not long since, that I should not trouble you +at this time, if I had not determined to omit no opportunity of +letting you hear from this side of the water, and enabling you at all +times to meet any falsehood the enemy may find it politic to publish. + +Since the capture of Cornwallis, nothing very material has happened. +The ravaging parties on the northern frontiers have been defeated with +great loss by the militia. The armies have taken their stations for +the winter quarters; the French, in Virginia and Maryland; our troops, +on the Hudson, excepting some detachments under General St Clair, +destined to reinforce General Greene. They have orders to take +Wilmington in their way, where the enemy have about six hundred men; +it is probable they will not wait the attack. General Greene will have +men enough to shut up the enemy, but not to force their strong holds. +Want of money cramps all our exertions, and prevents our making a +glorious winter campaign. The enemy are all shut up on two or three +points of land, which is all they possess of the immense country they +hope to conquer; and even these they hold by a very precarious tenure. +Disaffection, which has languished for some time past, died when +Cornwallis surrendered. + +Congress are occupied in taking measures for an active campaign; and +they feel themselves satisfied with everything both at home and +abroad. + +Congress have dissolved Mr Adams's powers to make a treaty of commerce +with Great Britain; and, as you know, joined Dr Franklin and Mr +Laurens in his other commission, if England should at length be wise +enough to wish for peace. + +The Marquis de Lafayette is the bearer of this. He has promised to +convey it with safety to you, and to correspond with you in such a +manner as to enable you to avail yourself of the knowledge which he +has acquired, that may be of use to you. The resolves of Congress, of +which I enclose a copy, show their sense on this subject, and the +confidence which they very justly repose in him. His Aid waits for +this. Adieu my dear Sir. + +Believe me to be, with the highest respect and esteem, &c. + + ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON. + + + END OF THE SEVENTH VOLUME. + + + + ++--------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE. | +| | +| Omitted words, shown as blank spaces in the original, have been | +| transcribed as four hyphens ('----'). | +| | +| Every effort was made to match the original text. Spelling | +| variations between letters have been preserved. 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